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I am an olympiacos fan but I still remember seeing Dominique playing. Past his prime even, my God he was in another league miles above the basketball played in Europe. Even Giannakopouloi are rivals, that move they did inspired thousands of kids to play basketball. Do you think that had nothing to do with Greece winning Eurobasket of 2005? Not in the scope of Gallis and Yannakis, but it did played a minor role because it raised the bar. So credit to them that was their legacy and it is fair to be said. Can you imagine what Lebron would do if he was to play for his final year in Europe to the country's basketball culture? Guys I think you missed the most important reason.
The impact of a star playing in europe is really crazy, and I don't think people understand it. France have so many good players and rising young players because TP became a star a played in the French national team. Look at all the new generation of French player, Wemby for example, fan of the Spurs. And so much more French kids chose basketball over football (by far the national sport) because of him.
I would love to see what former Celtic MVP candidate Isaiah Thomas would be able to do in the Euroleague. When Shane Larkin is doing so well. But he should have done that years ago. And by now it's probably too late.
I definitely believe there’s an alternate universe where IT goes overseas way earlier and he has a legendary overseas career and it probably happens 9/10 times you run the scenario
Besides the reasons above I think a lot of players just want to retire sooner than later. Going to play in a country halfway along the world for a year or 2 more for what's essentially pennies compared to what you've made in your career isn't ideal. There's also the fact that superstars (actual superstars not guys like Ibaka) used to stay loyal in one team and get rewarded with a farewell tour at the end of their careers. Guys like Kobe, Duncan, Wade Dirk etc
Great video! You had the right arguments! Congratulations from a Panathinaikos fan! We had many examples that support your opinion in Europe, like Dominique or Bob Mcadou.
Damn right. I love seeing these guys balling in Europe. This is my first season watching Euroleague and I'm loving it. Went to the Barca Zvezda game a couple of months ago and would love to catch a game in Belgrade or Germany some time! 🏴
@@gntym I have friends in Germany, and cheap flights to Berlin. That's why it popped into my head. I've never been to Belgrade though so it's top of the list
I think the average European (football fan and not a basketball fan) would not notice the average stars of the NBA (Durant, Harden, etc...) on the streets, because football is still the number one priority in Europe. Except with the European basketball fans - probably they would. 🙂
The Euroleague should become THE Best basketball league in the world in the future, just like the UEFA Champions League Football-Soccer. For this it is essential to include teams from Paris and London soon (with Paris-Bercy Arena and O2 Arena)
England has proved time and time again that they don't appreciate basketball. In all fairness , who ever wants to join, let them become part of it. Don't push anyone.
There are like 50 nba players who are comfortably riding the bench with zero rush to make any improvements, i would really like to see someone like Mo Bamba,Bruno Fernando,Usman Garuba,Rudy Gay in Europe
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Well, yeah it's a totally different story for European player to retire in Euroleague and for American, who never played outside the USA + older guys have families, kids and so on
If you're washed for Nba likely you're washed for Europe too. Allen Iverson was mediocre in Eurocup, Barea made Estudiantes worse in 2021, Stoudemire was among the very best good'ol but he only did well in BCL, Kemba so far is the worst player in Monaco roster.
I think your examples show that it also depends on position and height. Small players, like barea and kemba struggle in any setting, once their athleticism is gone, despite being solid shooters. L7
Exactly. EL cannot be the garbage bag of the NBA. If a NBA star is between the ages 32-35, depending on his physical status, he could be accepted but players like the grand daddy Dwight Howard, one must be out of his mind to sign him; that would definitely be a total failure. Europe should pursue to develop their own stars instead of providing place for thrash NBA players .
I am an anonymous pro athlete that has been fortunate enough to play in both leagues. Honestly euroleague is great, but they’re still some teams that don’t pay on time and won’t pay until you go to court. That is why a lot of the American athletes decide to go to China. Which has a shorter season , more money, and they pay on time. If you have love for the game though. Then euroleague would be a better option to end your career.
The top euro salary is $4m and I think only two players make over $3m. The nba veteran minimum (over ten years of experience) is about $3.3m. A bench/rotation player can expect about $10m. But there are other considerations of course.
I would really like a video from you talking about the change that Euroleague should give to every team that finishes top 2 in their domestic league. It’s kinda unfair for teams that are not it euroleague going far or winning their league and not getting a Euroleague spot.
I don't think so tbh, most of the time they won't care and therefore won't put any effort in the Euroleague. Ofc not everyone falls under this, some NBA players who LOVE the game absolutely would. If anything imo all the European players should retire in Europe.
10:43 I really want to see Howard come to Europe to one of the Greek teams like olympiacos because we really need a good center and not only that if he does come to olympiacos and he still plays well he will be treated very well by the fans
Every NBA player that can go and finesse the Euro league should do so. No one cares about atmosphere if the money isn’t right. But why campaign for NBA leftovers when you are developing the dominant basketball stars over there in Europe? You have told us up and down that American talent is trash because of AAU so what do you need them for 🤔. Just asking for a friend
About the point 4 Fewer Games: It's true, but not true. You are playing mainly in an national League (Spain, Germany Greece..etc) around 30-40 games - there you have to qualify to the EuroLeague, the next season, with good results. The Euro League is an international tournament next to national league. So you have to play on weekends for national league and on wednesday for the international league. The team has around 70 games (plus playoffs).
yep indeed. german league has 34 regular season games, national cup games (which can be like 10 or so games) and if you have european competition the tally can go up by 20+ games (there are lower level european competitons) and then playoffs come on top. the european competion is kinda a weird web since they aren t organized hierarchically by the same organizers, so there isn t an official "tier 1, tier 2 and tier 3 european competition" like in football with champions league, europa league and conference league. The "king" euroleague originated from a split of the big clubs from europe from ULEB (the basketball equivalent of UEFA), running their own european competition. Basically these basketball clubs succeeded in what some of the big football clubs tried to achieve when they wanted their own "superleague". this league is essentially an invitational competitions. it has 18 spots, of which 12 are permanently given to certain big household names (bayern munich, barcelona, real madrid, olympiakos etc.) and 6 wild cards where teams are subject to change every year (and i have no idea how these are decided). So basically, you can only agree "to just play in european competition" if you manage to snag a spot of one of those 12 permanent teams (and they are the ones who can afford the biggest contracts too). Below that there are european competitions which are either organized by FIBA europe (champions league, europe cup) or ULEB (EuroCup) [btw why do 2 names need to be so similar smh], where you need to qualify for each season through the national league. so ye most teams cannot afford to sign someone to "just play the big games" because they cannot guarantee those big games and these teams won t be willing to sign someone who just wants to play "the most important games" and let others do the job in normal games.
Come on man! You cannot be serious when you say D.H. could be playing in EL. He is 38 years old. El is not NBA's garbage bag. If the star player is between 32-35, he could be accepted.
He actually made what is equal to $12 million a season in the NBA. Spanish media had several articles about it, where they showed that the per season salary would equal to $12 million per year in the way the NBA counts it. Also, if we go back in the day, to the '90s to 2010s, and factor inflation to today's money, then there have been lots of EuroLeague players that made in the 8 to 10+ million range per season, in how the NBA counts salary.
I would have to disagree with you. Most NBA players (stars or not) CANT play in europe, they dont know the basics of the game. for example traveling, imagine harden in europe, he would have the record for turnovers in a match. Yes some can play if they get a stationnary role, catch n shoot, or bigman under basket. In my opinion if Giannis played in europe only he would be an average player
Man delete this comment dont make fool of yourself any nba star would dominate in euroleague the talent alone is on another level, shengelia is a similar type player to giannis and he dominates in euroleague now imagine what giannis would do, harden also would dominate he avg most points in 2014 wc usa team
@@K-cee-M Some Players like KD will dominate euroleague easily. BUT some others like a 38yo Lebron , Giannis mr brick everything Antentokounmbo and Lillard or haliburton wont do shit. Their style just cant translate into a smaller court with tight spaces , and before you say that this is bs , watch them in fiba cup all of them were trash.
@@forgondor881stupid take giannis avg 30points in eurobasket fucking shengelia dominates euroleague but giannis would be trash... mike james is best player in euroleague but lillard who is faster stronger better shooter better iso player but yeah he would be trash Lillard avg 11points in team usa with other 11 nba stars
@@nesakysiu12 Not really. It is easier to score in the NBA because of the larger space. Did you watch the USA team in the world-cup last summer? They had star NBA players but could not compete well in the FIBA basketball.
Türkiye currently has the best basketball league in Europe. However, you do not mention Fenerbahçe, Anadolu Efes or ISTANBUL, very interesting!.. Real basketball is played in the Euroleague, the essence of basketball is played in Europe, a real team game. The quality of the Euroleague is increasing day by day, and if it continues with this momentum, it could turn into an organization that will completely overshadow the NBA.
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I am an olympiacos fan but I still remember seeing Dominique playing. Past his prime even, my God he was in another league miles above the basketball played in Europe. Even Giannakopouloi are rivals, that move they did inspired thousands of kids to play basketball. Do you think that had nothing to do with Greece winning Eurobasket of 2005? Not in the scope of Gallis and Yannakis, but it did played a minor role because it raised the bar. So credit to them that was their legacy and it is fair to be said. Can you imagine what Lebron would do if he was to play for his final year in Europe to the country's basketball culture? Guys I think you missed the most important reason.
The impact of a star playing in europe is really crazy, and I don't think people understand it.
France have so many good players and rising young players because TP became a star a played in the French national team. Look at all the new generation of French player, Wemby for example, fan of the Spurs.
And so much more French kids chose basketball over football (by far the national sport) because of him.
I would have travelled to see Dominique play! Although I was probably like 15 or something 😂
Good point, we should have also mentioned the inspiration part.
Not sure LeBron is the right guy for that…
I would love to see what former Celtic MVP candidate Isaiah Thomas would be able to do in the Euroleague. When Shane Larkin is doing so well. But he should have done that years ago. And by now it's probably too late.
thomas should have made the move years ago but hes ego is stopping him
He is already a grand dad, lol.
I definitely believe there’s an alternate universe where IT goes overseas way earlier and he has a legendary overseas career and it probably happens 9/10 times you run the scenario
@@mvee05yeah but instead of going oversea, earning Money and playing basketball he is crying and complaining about Not playing in the nba
I am actually surprised they Euroleague hasn’t drawn in more NBA superstars as of yet. It seems like the perfect last dance for most American players
Cultural differences and being away from family are probably issues.
Americans are scared of the world. Especially if its not UK with english as main language.
When you close your eyes, it makes sense. But I guess in Europe no one will offer them the China money.
Besides the reasons above I think a lot of players just want to retire sooner than later. Going to play in a country halfway along the world for a year or 2 more for what's essentially pennies compared to what you've made in your career isn't ideal.
There's also the fact that superstars (actual superstars not guys like Ibaka) used to stay loyal in one team and get rewarded with a farewell tour at the end of their careers. Guys like Kobe, Duncan, Wade Dirk etc
Great video! You had the right arguments! Congratulations from a Panathinaikos fan! We had many examples that support your opinion in Europe, like Dominique or Bob Mcadou.
Damn right. I love seeing these guys balling in Europe.
This is my first season watching Euroleague and I'm loving it. Went to the Barca Zvezda game a couple of months ago and would love to catch a game in Belgrade or Germany some time! 🏴
Do Belgrade. The atmosphere is truly special.
@@rubatsch1713 it looks amazing, those guys are passionate 💪
Belgrade, Athens, Istanbul. You'll have a great experience. In Germany it's fine but not the same thing.
@@gntym I have friends in Germany, and cheap flights to Berlin. That's why it popped into my head. I've never been to Belgrade though so it's top of the list
Demar Derozan, i think he would enjoy this and he would kill it on the court. Win a Championship, he certainly deserves one..
Would be curious to see Dwight Howard here, in shape he still could be a hit
D.H. is too old to do in Europe. NBA trashes are not allowed in EL.:))
I think the average European (football fan and not a basketball fan) would not notice the average stars of the NBA (Durant, Harden, etc...) on the streets, because football is still the number one priority in Europe. Except with the European basketball fans - probably they would. 🙂
Totaly agree. Great points and thoughts ✌🏻
8:30 me too!!! hahahah
Great video-analysis.
The Euroleague should become THE Best basketball league in the world in the future, just like the UEFA Champions League Football-Soccer. For this it is essential to include teams from Paris and London soon (with Paris-Bercy Arena and O2 Arena)
Euro league will never be the best league as long as football exists and they don’t pump money into it like the nba
England has proved time and time again that they don't appreciate basketball.
In all fairness , who ever wants to join, let them become part of it. Don't push anyone.
There are like 50 nba players who are comfortably riding the bench with zero rush to make any improvements, i would really like to see someone like Mo Bamba,Bruno Fernando,Usman Garuba,Rudy Gay in Europe
Well, yeah it's a totally different story for European player to retire in Euroleague and for American, who never played outside the USA + older guys have families, kids and so on
If you're washed for Nba likely you're washed for Europe too.
Allen Iverson was mediocre in Eurocup, Barea made Estudiantes worse in 2021, Stoudemire was among the very best good'ol but he only did well in BCL, Kemba so far is the worst player in Monaco roster.
I think your examples show that it also depends on position and height. Small players, like barea and kemba struggle in any setting, once their athleticism is gone, despite being solid shooters. L7
Exactly. EL cannot be the garbage bag of the NBA. If a NBA star is between the ages 32-35, depending on his physical status, he could be accepted but players like the grand daddy Dwight Howard, one must be out of his mind to sign him; that would definitely be a total failure. Europe should pursue to develop their own stars instead of providing place for thrash NBA players .
Nice video and a great idea. It will be great for all parties: players, EU clubs, fans
amazing as important video! Love your content guys
Dennis Schroeder playing for one of the EL Teams would be crazy 😃
Good video. Smart points. Thanks
Great video idea💪🏾
I am an anonymous pro athlete that has been fortunate enough to play in both leagues. Honestly euroleague is great, but they’re still some teams that don’t pay on time and won’t pay until you go to court. That is why a lot of the American athletes decide to go to China. Which has a shorter season , more money, and they pay on time. If you have love for the game though. Then euroleague would be a better option to end your career.
wait fr im trying to make nba from uk any tips im moving to toronto soon
@@Mm2_playzu how old are you ?
im apg im very athletic but need help on finshing and shooting from range@@Ninety2boss
i have the best defence in the top leauge in uk for my age
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i have love for the game that wont run out never@@Ninety2boss
Harden would probably collect chicken wings in warm temperate countrys.
The top euro salary is $4m and I think only two players make over $3m. The nba veteran minimum (over ten years of experience) is about $3.3m. A bench/rotation player can expect about $10m. But there are other considerations of course.
I'd like to have Dwight Howard with Lessort at the 5 it would be amazing duo!
I would really like a video from you talking about the change that Euroleague should give to every team that finishes top 2 in their domestic league. It’s kinda unfair for teams that are not it euroleague going far or winning their league and not getting a Euroleague spot.
Sterling Brown plays for Alba Berlin
Nice if Yannis play in Greece at some point in his later carrier!
I don't think so tbh, most of the time they won't care and therefore won't put any effort in the Euroleague. Ofc not everyone falls under this, some NBA players who LOVE the game absolutely would. If anything imo all the European players should retire in Europe.
10:43 I really want to see Howard come to Europe to one of the Greek teams like olympiacos because we really need a good center and not only that if he does come to olympiacos and he still plays well he will be treated very well by the fans
What are you going to do with the grand dad, lol?Mustafa Fall is probably better than him.
@@codingstyle9480 Fall is better than Howard? His defense is not consistent and he is ass
Unfortunately he can't play anymore. I don't think he can play on the euroleague, maybe eurocup
And I would like to see more domestic players playing for the teams in their own country.
I'd LOVE to see KD go to the Euroleague, I genuinely think he would raise the skill ceiling and change the game over there
Every NBA player that can go and finesse the Euro league should do so. No one cares about atmosphere if the money isn’t right. But why campaign for NBA leftovers when you are developing the dominant basketball stars over there in Europe? You have told us up and down that American talent is trash because of AAU so what do you need them for 🤔. Just asking for a friend
I think the same. I do not understand how ex-NBA trash players of over 35 years of age would be beneficial to European Basketball.
About the point 4 Fewer Games:
It's true, but not true.
You are playing mainly in an national League (Spain, Germany Greece..etc) around 30-40 games - there you have to qualify to the EuroLeague, the next season, with good results.
The Euro League is an international tournament next to national league. So you have to play on weekends for national league and on wednesday for the international league. The team has around 70 games (plus playoffs).
yep indeed. german league has 34 regular season games, national cup games (which can be like 10 or so games) and if you have european competition the tally can go up by 20+ games (there are lower level european competitons) and then playoffs come on top.
the european competion is kinda a weird web since they aren t organized hierarchically by the same organizers, so there isn t an official "tier 1, tier 2 and tier 3 european competition" like in football with champions league, europa league and conference league.
The "king" euroleague originated from a split of the big clubs from europe from ULEB (the basketball equivalent of UEFA), running their own european competition. Basically these basketball clubs succeeded in what some of the big football clubs tried to achieve when they wanted their own "superleague". this league is essentially an invitational competitions. it has 18 spots, of which 12 are permanently given to certain big household names (bayern munich, barcelona, real madrid, olympiakos etc.) and 6 wild cards where teams are subject to change every year (and i have no idea how these are decided). So basically, you can only agree "to just play in european competition" if you manage to snag a spot of one of those 12 permanent teams (and they are the ones who can afford the biggest contracts too).
Below that there are european competitions which are either organized by FIBA europe (champions league, europe cup) or ULEB (EuroCup) [btw why do 2 names need to be so similar smh], where you need to qualify for each season through the national league. so ye most teams cannot afford to sign someone to "just play the big games" because they cannot guarantee those big games and these teams won t be willing to sign someone who just wants to play "the most important games" and let others do the job in normal games.
Only would be worth it for mid tier players to retire in the euro league
Ots crazy how u got so many good players on free agencey but we still got players lile blake griffen in the league😊
D. Rose!!!
If healthy, they 100% should consider it. Isaiah Thomas should be the 1st guy to play in Europe along with Jeremy Lin.
Isaiah Thomas -> Žalgiris
Where can I watch Euro League games in the States?
We should bring a team from Amsterdam to the Euroleague for Harden
Come on man! You cannot be serious when you say D.H. could be playing in EL. He is 38 years old. El is not NBA's garbage bag. If the star player is between 32-35, he could be accepted.
kemba is on holiday
playing like it too
7:06. Where is this arena
Tašmajdan stadium.
Kevin durant to olympiacos: here we go! 😂
Fewer games? How about national leagues?
Why just EuroLeague and not FIBA Champions League?
Why do you only shill for EuroLeague?
Dude no offense on your final segment you clearly never be to America it’s really different from state to state
too bad Jeremy Lin didn't consider playing in Europe.
stephen curry klay thompson and andrew wiggins
Most will opt to go to the place that pays. Playing 8 minutes a game for the league minimum is better than playing in Europe.
I don’t really watch basketball.. what is the best league in order? Is it NBA > Euroleague and then > CBA?
NBA>Euroleague>ACB, France league, Italian league, German league>NBL>Japans league>CBA
@@nesakysiu12 Italian>German>Greek>France. How tf is france league better than the others? Also Turkey might be better than All of them expect ACB.
If not watching basketball, why would you care? You would not event understand the answer you are given. :))
@@forgondor881 i forgot about turkish league because i dont follow that league
@@codingstyle9480 TIL: don’t learn anything you don’t already know . Thanks for the input
Koks jusu contentas geras... visom prasmem…🤯
Unless for money there is no reason for a player to retire anywnere bjt the team that drafted u.if u get forced out the league rhen thats diff
Kemba doesn't get playing time. Is he really that bad now?
Injuries took a toll on him
Wait what?? 10M in the euroleague?? Since when?
Since Nikola Mirotic's contract with Barcelona 👀
He actually made what is equal to $12 million a season in the NBA. Spanish media had several articles about it, where they showed that the per season salary would equal to $12 million per year in the way the NBA counts it. Also, if we go back in the day, to the '90s to 2010s, and factor inflation to today's money, then there have been lots of EuroLeague players that made in the 8 to 10+ million range per season, in how the NBA counts salary.
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"Traveling from state to state, but lets be fair... it's all pretty much the same across the country."
Horrible take.
Maybe the EuroLeague could take lessons from the Saudis in football and disrupt the NBA 😂
Euroleague is real basketball, NBA is circus.
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I would have to disagree with you. Most NBA players (stars or not) CANT play in europe, they dont know the basics of the game. for example traveling, imagine harden in europe, he would have the record for turnovers in a match.
Yes some can play if they get a stationnary role, catch n shoot, or bigman under basket.
In my opinion if Giannis played in europe only he would be an average player
Man delete this comment dont make fool of yourself any nba star would dominate in euroleague the talent alone is on another level, shengelia is a similar type player to giannis and he dominates in euroleague now imagine what giannis would do, harden also would dominate he avg most points in 2014 wc usa team
@@nesakysiu12why would you bother with this 🤡. These people think NBA players are dumb and Euro league players are astrophysicists or something.
@@K-cee-M Some Players like KD will dominate euroleague easily. BUT some others like a 38yo Lebron , Giannis mr brick everything Antentokounmbo and Lillard or haliburton wont do shit. Their style just cant translate into a smaller court with tight spaces , and before you say that this is bs , watch them in fiba cup all of them were trash.
@@forgondor881stupid take giannis avg 30points in eurobasket fucking shengelia dominates euroleague but giannis would be trash... mike james is best player in euroleague but lillard who is faster stronger better shooter better iso player but yeah he would be trash Lillard avg 11points in team usa with other 11 nba stars
@@nesakysiu12 Not really. It is easier to score in the NBA because of the larger space. Did you watch the USA team in the world-cup last summer? They had star NBA players but could not compete well in the FIBA basketball.
Damn, the disrespect of saying the US is "pretty much the same across the country" is unreal.
Careful for what you wish for, next thing you know 25% of Europe will be American. 😂
Euro fans dont shut up. Yelling like a bunch of kids
Well, yeah, because they are actually passionate about the game.
Türkiye currently has the best basketball league in Europe.
However, you do not mention Fenerbahçe, Anadolu Efes or ISTANBUL, very interesting!..
Real basketball is played in the Euroleague, the essence of basketball is played in Europe, a real team game.
The quality of the Euroleague is increasing day by day, and if it continues with this momentum, it could turn into an organization that will completely overshadow the NBA.
The mls of basketball
Lol i guess America won the fiba cup in Football , oh wait they cant even get pass the 16 best countries in the world.
for me, it's the atmosphere. It's second to none, and - nothing can buy that fans atmosphere! 💯🫡