Miserable artists can only exist by shoving corporate state approved messages while good artists are silenced for trying to achieve true beauty and go beyond timeless.
"He wasn't saying to go…" Doesn't matter, he knew what he was doing with the accusation. The apology was literally "I'm sorry you idiots think I did anything wrong".
I still don't understand why people do art on X. The format of the website blows and the community is mad toxic. Like, the media tab is only good on PC where it actually has a gallery layout. Artists like to use X as both a personal blog AND an art portfolio (save for the ocassional good few that make a second account because they realize maybe the people following them for art don't care about what they have to say), which dramatically overcrowds their feed. I understand that X is "the public square" where you can potentially find more of an audience, but X is also notorious for shadowing even remotely risque accounts and having some of the worst people on the internet there sans old tumblr. Pixiv is a significantly better platform for art in particular for both new artists and old artists. Like, my recommendeds feed is constantly showing me both people with 800+ works, and sub-50. And the community seems significantly better, both western and (predominantly) Japanese. Heck, I ocassionally see people in the comments on Pixiv that I recognize from like, Vee and Rev's comment sections. Much better place That or Newgrounds, though Newgrounds isn't as popping as it used to be
Even worse is when you have credit card companies going after Pixiv, it is harder for artists now then under the dark ages, even the soviets weren't this bad, maybe Mao was, but its hard to tell.
I gave up doing art about a year ago as every single piece I drew got the whole ‘it’s AI’ comments even when it clearly wasn’t with some piece been nearly ten years old. AI witch hunters are worse then AI Bros every time.
anyone that harrasses based on their own moral values are the worst ive seen bad AI Bros but at worse they haven't stopped people from doing art AI witch hunters are basically calling wolf all the time and feel like they're right for doing it, its stupid
The online art community has needed a kick in the butt for a long time. The utter lack of accountability and terrible customer relations (usually perpetuated on the artist side) has made AI something of a karmatic retribution. Now they react to AI like vampires in sunlight. And they aren't winning any friends by attacking others like that either.
As someone who by some people would be considered an AI bro, I've seen a lot of AI witch hunters. The ironic thing with them is that for all their AI hate, they are very bad at actually spotting AI, because they have never tried to use or even understand AI. Humans make mistakes, and so does AI. But the kind of mistakes are very different, because with humans, there's still a train of thought behind the mistake, while with AI, it's a pattern that breaks down in a non-sensical way.
You can say your favorite color, someone with a different favorite color takes it personally, and legit tries to emotionally attack and/or cancel them u til they self delete (like, that’s the intention).
Could say that about posting on the internet as a whole. BlueSky isn't better as it's reminiscent of 2017 Twitter, and of course AI is a touchy subject for artists.
There are plenty of artists who either fly under the radar thus they avoid harassment or they appeal to a niche who the culture warrior types tend to steer clear of (primarily NSFW accounts, of course).
TBH, posting art on X has actually improved in this regard, but the reason isn't so much because of the company X itself but because a lot of art grifters & leftist blockwart activists have left X/twitter & are shifting heir activities elsewhere, most prominently bluesky & reddit.
I come from the "old" days of posting art on art specific sites. I was on fanartcentral, elfwood, deviantart to name a few. I'd never seen the level of Twitter nonsense back then, but then again, the only people who'd congregate on these sites were either artists themselves (like me) or people who loved and appreciated the craft. Twitter is an amalgamation of all sorts of people. I feel for modern and young artists now who have to contend with the current internet... at least some oldie like me can point to our history as documented by years of work in various art galleries but newer artists probably don't have as much of that. I think we're going to end up seeing a return to more traditional art in the future, or a resurgence if you will. Video, photos and scans may still get scrutinized but maybe not as much. Or perhaps artists will have to find other means to share their work. I'm not very thrilled with AI either but I've sort of resigned myself to the fact it probably isn't going away. I just don't want to see it replace the need for creative people.
Twitter is where all the Tumblr refugees ended up after Tumblr banned their horny posting because they wanted to appease Google. Tumblr is where this witch hunt mentality comes from, and it was bad even when the website first started. Too many prepubescents with too much free time and not enough activity outside, so they wormed their way into the worst of fandom cesspools and then spread it around outside its allotted containment. And *now* they think it's normal.
As an aspiring artist, I've this to say. I loathe AI content for the most part, and i consider it another factor that is detrimental to the human condition. But see, the problem is, there's certainly a toxic artist culture too that for the longest time since 2014 has targeted and harassed people for "wrongthink". I can remember stories of people being bullied for drawing a character wrong (Rose Quartz incident, a fan was bullied to suicide for drawing the character thinner, i think). Theres been the "i fixed it!" Mentality where artists would "fix" someone's art by redrawing it completely differently, and smugly saying your art was terrible. There was the trend of some of these twitter/tumblr artists who'd complain about a "person of colour" being coloured slightly lighter in shading, or complain the art was too "Eurocentric" and thus racist. I myself got into an argument years ago with someone accusing me of being a racist, because they were accusing an artist for "perpetuating racism and Eurocentrism" in their art about drawing faces. Hell, i saw some artists being shamed for not drawing "realistic body types". Saying this, while i dislike AI for how soulless and ghoulish the technology is in its primary purpose, i can understand why many people would choose that over certain artists from Twitter, who have a big attitude problem, overcharge their work, and often support things that are counter to the working class families. For the longest time, art has felt hollow because it feels uninspired, its repetitive and slop. Maybe we have only ourselves the consumers to blame, but i digress. The Art community needs to improve as a community, and be welcoming to people. People need an incentive to support people over AI, otherwise it only speaks volumes how divided we truly are.
Absolutely underrated comment, and I guess the art has felt uninspired in part because the internet as a whole has been trying to stamp out wrongthink and anything deemed too radical as a whole. Other parts including the pure fact that it's a black hole for attention spans and idle thoughts, boredom being an unsung mother of creativity.
Good point. I also hate AI art for its sheer inhumanity, and wouldn't even call it art as I would consider art as necessarily human/stemming from intentionality. But I hate lefties just as much for the same reasons. Not particularly fond of the right either, but there's more reasonable people there and more people that understand left and right are legs on the same elephant. Not related just ranting
This is the reason I respect Khyle as a artist then these artists. Cowardice is the reason these freaks are bold enough into thinking they can get away bulling artists off the internet. If you cannot stand the ground on what you make then you shouldn't be posting your art on X in the first place.
People overestimate their ability to spot AI-generated imagery. Reason being: 1. They overestimate their artistic knowledge 2. AI technology is getting better If you think someone is using AI and you don’t like that, just block them and be done with it ffs.
3. a lot of artist who actually use AI are using what's known as pre- & post-processing to hide the most obvious errors of AI generators so unless you're looking at a completely incompetent or lazy AI prompter it's, even for experienced artists & other AI users themselves, difficult of spotting the use of AI use 4. newer & more advanced AI art generators cannot just create drawing from prompts in various styles but also very convincing art drawing process videos making AI art detecting even more difficult to detect. 5. another way that AI prompters prevent the detection of them using NN generator tools is by either cropping the output (so that the images resolution is not an exact power of 2 which is what most generators would output raw) 6. yet another way that AI prompters prevent detection is by starting from an existing template & then doing multiple generations on that image at different levels of fidelity/variability & then combine the results using simple stencil masks differently at different parts of the image depending on how well each generation got at which part 7. on top of all the previous, a lot of AI prompters _do not indicate_ anywhere on their sites anywhere anymore that they did use AI. bottom line: it's increasingly impossible even for experienced art collectors & connaisseurs to make out the difference between a hand drawn & AI generated image.
Not the first time for that artist. I'd say "people brought the old-world and 'IRL' mentality to the internet" and that was prior to and nothing to do with "AI."
Its almost like twitter isnt designed for artists. Artists just set up there because it's easy to meet new people and post all your content in one place and never leave the platform again.
Never understood people who use X as an art blog. Sure it had more users than the dedicated art sites, but then you have to deal with the community which is just cancer incarnate. Plus with the lack of meaningful search tools/filters any post older than week might as well be invisible.
Biggest reason I hate when artists shack up on Twitter never to leave again is their gallery becomes impossible to go through because you have to see every meme and political post they make in the same section.
Twitter leads to more public outreach than the dedicated art sites these days, so that's why all the artists land here. It's the same reason corporate brands get Twitter accounts and promote their products and services, It's hard to get that bag when your outreach is limited, especially when your reputation and fame aren't yet established and no one but select few know about you and your work.
@superplayerex2431 its not that I dont understand why it happens, its that it has the opposite effect on visibility for me because Twitter is an awful platform full of mindless snark.
@@jackhazardous4008 Unfortunately, people value Twitter and whatever goes on it far too much and there's way too many people using it. That's just the grim reality of it. It's mainstream and it will never go truly go away. At the least, the death of Twitter would just make it transform into another social media site with all the same controlled algorithms and toxicity spewed from all fronts, provided they don't outright become worse than Twitter itself. There's still niche uses for the site just like with Reddit that don't include playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes by engaging in acts of temper tantrums with random strangers on the net which is why the normies stick around. So no matter how awful the platform is, it's impossible to let it go because it can potentially be the only way to gain a following such as for artists. It's the place where most people will hear about you and there's no changing that because that's the nature of mainstream social media.
This reminds when digital art started, many traditional artists did not considered it "real art" and even said "the computer made it". Whenever there is a big technological leap, it is only natural the old will be mad that the new generation can now do the same as them with less skill and training. They feel cheated of all the effort they put into mastering their craft.
There will always be that point of contention; change or progression will always be met with skepticism or contempt and it doesn't have to be valid or not. Whiteboards come to mind in this regard; when they first came to the scene a whole lot of people, teachers in particular, were upset that chalkboards would be sidelined by this new technology and viewed it as a breach of traditional practices and/or thought of it as a inferior replacement.
IIRC the first comic enhanced digitally on a Macintosh was "Shatter" (1985) I do remember that later "artists" often "worked over" the classics and ruined them with ugly coloring and incontinent shading (Moebius "Incal" comes to mind which got ruined by some regarded guy who shaded it to death)
@@Bennumark Wait, there were teachers mad about WHITEBOARD!? Unless you have some emotional attachment to breathing chalk dust, why not just use whiteboard? It is better in every way and there is no skill gap since you write and erase the same way.
I have noticed that the most vocal anti AI warriors are not ,making their living with art/illustration. most do not even have a portfolio of work to show. they were never good enough to be professional artists even before AI They are in every online “art community” fighting for a future that was never going to happen for them anyway.
As an artist on X, this whole thing is just so gd embarassing. I've yet to see a single one of these AI witch hunts actually reveal an AI user. This case is especially egregious because that is very obviously not AI. Completely ridiculous.
I still don't understand why people do art on X. The format of the website blows and the community is mad toxic. Like, the media tab is only good on PC where it actually has a gallery layout. Artists like to use X as both a personal blog AND an art portfolio (save for the ocassional good few that make a second account because they realize maybe the people following them for art don't care about what they have to say), which dramatically overcrowds their feed. I understand that X is "the public square" where you can potentially find more of an audience, but X is also notorious for shadowing even remotely risque accounts and having some of the worst people on the internet there sans old tumblr. Pixiv is a significantly better platform for art in particular for both new artists and old artists. Like, my recommendeds feed is constantly showing me both people with 800+ works, and sub-50. And the community seems significantly better, both western and (predominantly) Japanese. Heck, I ocassionally see people in the comments on Pixiv that I recognize from like, Vee and Rev's comment sections. Much better place That or Newgrounds, though Newgrounds isn't as popping as it used to be
It's amazing to me that people have no idea what AI art actually looks like. I keep expecting someone to go after an artist like Sakimi-chan or another artist like them.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejoI wouldn't be so sure about that in the longrun - might end up seeing exposés similar to how certain "antis" end up being worthy of the woodchipper...
No, actually it is time to just start randomly accusing different artists of using AI by painting a red circle at a random thing and saying “AI!?” 🎩 🐍 no step on snek🇺🇸🇭🇰
No, it's really not. Considering the harassment highlighted in that video, it is deliberately stepping on snek. NB4 "but they're all leftoids!!1!" No, they aren't. *newspaper slapping*
People need to grow some backbone and stand up to buIIies. This is why buIIies are so important in school, people need to learn to stand up for themselves from an early age, otherwise they will live as cowards.
For most humans (not all), it’s not so much a reason to attack or bully someone, but an excuse to. We aren’t exactly a different species from the people who go in large crowds to watch people thrown to the lions, or hauled up to a giloteen.
Instead of competing with AI, artists need to understand that AI is a tool they can use too. They can generate some concepts to test some ideas then create a final piece combining EXACTLY what they want, which something AI still can't do with just prompts.
Not the first time, won't be the last, but man that's f'd up. New artist pops up, shows off their first piece their proud of, gets harassed and bullied so much they leave social media entirely.
Bayonetta is considered bisexual by the lBgT community, but because someone drew her with a guy apparently that's not bisexual... I'm impressed by Vee's ability to drop comedy gold like that so nonchalantly.
When you're learning art, I ask you to not post t online for everyone, if you have a circle of artists show it there, only show you art when you're more experienced n have confidence in your style, so you can argue about your design choices in case someone does this, it pays off later
It is kind of understandable because people don't want to be cheated when ordering art. Also the guys seeing just the art piece by itself could feel that someone wasted their time or don't want to support/share stuff lik that. This will take some time until people get used to this New technologies comes with new problems and humans need time to adapt.
AI is good at generic stuff, when it comes to specifics, it has serious trouble with it. Specific pictures or specific styles(And i think style is something artists should be able to copyright so ai cannot use it) is what will set people apart. There is something of a genuine moral panic about ai art. I understand why, but people are fucking insane when they react to things, especially on twitter.
This. I have fairly unique fantasy humanoid race designs AI absolutely cannot replicate. And I don't think its THAT complicated. Its just nonstandard. Winged humanoid with wings on the back? Great. Wings that cover arms and hands? Impossible. Can't even do furry ears on side of the head. Furry / little bit beastly characters designs ALWAYS must have them on top of the head, no exceptions. There's some neat rough concepts I can generate but that's about it.
@@JaidynReiman They can do the ears, i've seen it, but the wings, yeah, not so much. An artist friend uses ai for ideas somethings, as what the robot interprets certain words as can differ greatly to a person.
It is just demoralization, even if the useful idiots dont notice theyre doing it. Ever wonder why the ai art stuff hit so fast? Why is ai in other fields not as open source? Movies,tv,videogames, and even art. Your peaceful aspirations are under attack on purpose
You ever thought that rather than looking at is as replacement, it could be cooperation? Just like how technicians made photoshop with all its filters and clean-up tools? Or how technicians made computers to use in the first place? With the nice "undo" feature to erase the mess the artist made? Seems to me that technicians are pretty quickly tossed aside by a select group of artists when they no longer deem them useful. Tell every artist to go back to painting on rock walls with mud. See how well you do without technicians.
see this is why i use ai for concept art and shot comp only, as if it were a mood board. if i draw something myself, it's easier to do it right the first time, instead of editing work that already exists. and if i use it as a "stochastic reference", it also takes the edge off the blank canvas the way a story prompt does for writing.
@@PeterDanielBergor you could just imagine it in your mind then make a few sketches if you need a reference or don't have the best memory. Unless you have to make hordes of images for a job using AI is just lazy. It would be like auto generating a synth patch and acting like you came up with the sound patch because you redid it yourself. Ironically you're being a "technician" like the other guy was raving on about since you are using it to substitute creativity by jumping over the most crucial part of a project: its inception.
@@Bagginsess eh it's not being a technician, it's just a kick to get over the static inertia. none of it ends up in the final product. and sometimes its just neat to see what the ai considers intrinsic to a style.
@@PeterDanielBerg this "inertia" you speak of is called creativity. If you can't formulate a concept in your head and need to rely on AI then you are not an artist you are a programmer. It's like boosting to level 60 in WoW classic you're missing the whole point that being the journey. Art is about overcoming writers block and enjoying the whole process not just the end result.
There is no such thing as a black mermaid in European mythology. If African cultures have mermaid mythology that's a matter for them to make movies about.
It's such a shame, while maybe not flawless, that artist had such an expressive, fluid artstyle. The crap by the pissant who caused them getting driven off of Twitter, however, looks stiff and bland, I'd much rather he'd quit the internet.
Personaly i don't mind AI art to much. What i do mind is the sheer quantity some AI bros flood sites with... A normal artist might post a pic or concept every week and a finished thing every other week... A AI guy?, wil post one to 5 a day, until one gets a good reaction, and then wil post that same thing with slightly diffrent prompts 10 times every day... Oh look it's his/her "thing" but now in forrest, oh look now it has a blonde, oh look here it is but with red in it... Just 100s of posts of the exact same thing with one promt difrence flooding the sites...
The difference with most of these is with camera and film, you could document things. AI always just generates things, regardless if they're true or not.
Oh looks like someone would have survived 2009 MW2 lobbies. Just enjoy knowing that most of the human race is a limp bizkit style pos in there own way they mostly won’t show it in person but it’s easy to watch things die from a distance.
Creating images with AI really is no more than a toy or a crutch. It sounds cool on paper, to be able to create anything you can imagine or have the AI create fanart of your favorite characters, shows or games, but after creating just a few you will likely notice how AI art is literally soulless. Yeah, it can be really good, shockingly so, but it simply will never compare to the weight that a real piece of fanart has, that someone spend time and effort into creating. Though sadly some people don't get that and are only concerned with the end result, telling you that if you can't even tell if it's AI or not there is no difference. Sure, it might not be visible and AI art can even be superior to what an artist can actually do, but that's not the point really. Fanart exists to show appreciation for something you love, while AI generated pictures basically just come off a conveyor belt. Sure, someone had to put in the prompts and fine-tune the image and that can take some effort, but it doesn't compare to what a real artist does. Similarly that's also why I think that text-AIs are just toys, you can't actually chat with them like you can with a person, so they won't replace real social interactions anytime soon. They are incredibly useful tools though, having it aid you in programming, trouble shooting or as a teacher can be great.
"there's still demand for human artists" That will inevitably change in the future as AI becomes more advanced and sophisticated that you won't be able to tell the difference between human and AI.
maybe this is why people were always painting on canvas in star trek. since the holodeck and replicators can generate anything 1:1, the only way to prove you made a piece of art is if someone watches you paint it physically
If it's not AI then it's because you're too talented. Remember how many cried and moaned over how good PewDiePie got with his art? I laughed when some claimed to quit drawing because of him. Curious thoe, I hear a lot of older artists saying AI is a great tool?
I think of AI generated art much like Adobe Photoshop filters were when they came out. They are amazing and flawed and only a tool not meant to replace the artist but to add to their toolbox of tricks. Once you use filters in artworks your eyes are trained for it and looking for flaws to fix before releasing a final work, this applies to AI artwork as well. Too many people use AI as a scapegoat when it hasn't even matured yet.
Let me guess, you never drew before and dont understand why people are mad about this but yeah now that people can walk for you and you dont need to walk anymore, surely you have the mind to appreciate what walking entails...
@@JesusChrist_Denton Hey: spent 4 years in school and a decade or so more just drawing and painting and carving: AI is great. This is a tool that will allow people to express themselves more easily - the true purpose of art is expression, isn't it? Or are you just salty because it's not an exclusive club you had membership to anymore? Edit: I'm happy to show you how you can use AI to take your own artworks and "finish" them. Do it up 80% of the way: and the AI will handle all the fiddly perfectly even lines and shading for you. Saves me literal hours of work.
AI itself is not the sole reason for why artists are seeing a drop in income, but it certainly contributes to an already difficult situation. However, the solution isn't to yell at people when your horse stall is losing business, because cars were invented. You can either swim along with the current or go against the current at your peril. Change will happen either way, the only difference is whether you lose or benefit from it.
The worst thing about this kind of stuff is that it ruins good-hearted wholesome people and creates a more hostile atmosphere out of excessive vigilance and distrust because of those who ruin it for everyone I hope all the good people stay true to themselves and continue being positive influences ❤️🩹
That first sentence is basically the online art community in a nutshell. A lot of self-righteous people who demand trust and respect while giving none.
I've noticed that the artists who whine about AI art the most have the worst ability to identify AI art. They don't know that the AI has limitations at all, let alone which limitations it has. So they freak out and call anything they don't like "AI" in classic act of brain-dead hominid aggression.
I am an artist - who knows what you would consider an artist nowawadays - and I don't mind comments, I will just use AI to censor or change very mean comments and make the internet cool again and go on with my life. No need to get stuck in the mud.
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I self taught myself to draw attractive females to piss these types of people off.
based i wish i knew how to draw
@@jvmango3057 You only need to know how to type.
@@jvmango3057 it's not hard to learn how to draw, learning what you want to draw is harder
@@endlessstrata6988 no.
@@613-shadow9 No, really.
Miserable artists can only exist by shoving corporate state approved messages while good artists are silenced for trying to achieve true beauty and go beyond timeless.
"He wasn't saying to go…"
Doesn't matter, he knew what he was doing with the accusation. The apology was literally "I'm sorry you idiots think I did anything wrong".
"I didn't accused them, I've only implied the accusation." -average twitter midwit
I still don't understand why people do art on X. The format of the website blows and the community is mad toxic. Like, the media tab is only good on PC where it actually has a gallery layout. Artists like to use X as both a personal blog AND an art portfolio (save for the ocassional good few that make a second account because they realize maybe the people following them for art don't care about what they have to say), which dramatically overcrowds their feed.
I understand that X is "the public square" where you can potentially find more of an audience, but X is also notorious for shadowing even remotely risque accounts and having some of the worst people on the internet there sans old tumblr.
Pixiv is a significantly better platform for art in particular for both new artists and old artists. Like, my recommendeds feed is constantly showing me both people with 800+ works, and sub-50. And the community seems significantly better, both western and (predominantly) Japanese. Heck, I ocassionally see people in the comments on Pixiv that I recognize from like, Vee and Rev's comment sections. Much better place
That or Newgrounds, though Newgrounds isn't as popping as it used to be
A.I drove the Art community insane
AI = artist insanity
Van Gogh: "I'm immune to that shet"
Tbh, the art community was always insane, the AI thing is just a new excuse
Nay. It exposed pre existing insanity.
It's modern day witch hunting
Even worse is when you have credit card companies going after Pixiv, it is harder for artists now then under the dark ages, even the soviets weren't this bad, maybe Mao was, but its hard to tell.
The same cards who have no jssues with rainbow garnage but attack ankme waifu
I gave up doing art about a year ago as every single piece I drew got the whole ‘it’s AI’ comments even when it clearly wasn’t with some piece been nearly ten years old.
AI witch hunters are worse then AI Bros every time.
anyone that harrasses based on their own moral values are the worst
ive seen bad AI Bros but at worse they haven't stopped people from doing art
AI witch hunters are basically calling wolf all the time and feel like they're right for doing it, its stupid
The online art community has needed a kick in the butt for a long time. The utter lack of accountability and terrible customer relations (usually perpetuated on the artist side) has made AI something of a karmatic retribution. Now they react to AI like vampires in sunlight. And they aren't winning any friends by attacking others like that either.
Can't AI make improvements on art or suggestions for improvements?
As someone who by some people would be considered an AI bro, I've seen a lot of AI witch hunters. The ironic thing with them is that for all their AI hate, they are very bad at actually spotting AI, because they have never tried to use or even understand AI. Humans make mistakes, and so does AI. But the kind of mistakes are very different, because with humans, there's still a train of thought behind the mistake, while with AI, it's a pattern that breaks down in a non-sensical way.
@@fireraider98 with the secretary tone chatgpt has, i would not trust it for constructive criticism. itd be too polite and apologetic
If slurs weren't against tos it'd be much easier to gatekeep.
You can say your favorite color, someone with a different favorite color takes it personally, and legit tries to emotionally attack and/or cancel them u til they self delete (like, that’s the intention).
I don't know why any artist would post on Twitter unless they enjoy being harassed.
Could say that about posting on the internet as a whole. BlueSky isn't better as it's reminiscent of 2017 Twitter, and of course AI is a touchy subject for artists.
You'd be surprised, Twitter is big in JP art. Both SFW and NSFW.
Twitter is the new Tumblr XD
There are plenty of artists who either fly under the radar thus they avoid harassment or they appeal to a niche who the culture warrior types tend to steer clear of (primarily NSFW accounts, of course).
TBH, posting art on X has actually improved in this regard, but the reason isn't so much because of the company X itself but because a lot of art grifters & leftist blockwart activists have left X/twitter & are shifting heir activities elsewhere, most prominently bluesky & reddit.
Artists need to grow their spines back and stand their ground long term.
Couldn’t agree more like tell them to F off and keep making what YOU want to make
Most artists are too sensitive to be successful.
@@HenriFaust most artists?
@@HenriFaust Creative type often a sensitive peoples so they can't stand getting harassed .
in a way they need to be a bit more mean and toxic themselves I guess.
I come from the "old" days of posting art on art specific sites. I was on fanartcentral, elfwood, deviantart to name a few. I'd never seen the level of Twitter nonsense back then, but then again, the only people who'd congregate on these sites were either artists themselves (like me) or people who loved and appreciated the craft. Twitter is an amalgamation of all sorts of people. I feel for modern and young artists now who have to contend with the current internet... at least some oldie like me can point to our history as documented by years of work in various art galleries but newer artists probably don't have as much of that.
I think we're going to end up seeing a return to more traditional art in the future, or a resurgence if you will. Video, photos and scans may still get scrutinized but maybe not as much. Or perhaps artists will have to find other means to share their work.
I'm not very thrilled with AI either but I've sort of resigned myself to the fact it probably isn't going away. I just don't want to see it replace the need for creative people.
Twitter is where all the Tumblr refugees ended up after Tumblr banned their horny posting because they wanted to appease Google. Tumblr is where this witch hunt mentality comes from, and it was bad even when the website first started. Too many prepubescents with too much free time and not enough activity outside, so they wormed their way into the worst of fandom cesspools and then spread it around outside its allotted containment. And *now* they think it's normal.
As an aspiring artist, I've this to say.
I loathe AI content for the most part, and i consider it another factor that is detrimental to the human condition.
But see, the problem is, there's certainly a toxic artist culture too that for the longest time since 2014 has targeted and harassed people for "wrongthink". I can remember stories of people being bullied for drawing a character wrong (Rose Quartz incident, a fan was bullied to suicide for drawing the character thinner, i think).
Theres been the "i fixed it!" Mentality where artists would "fix" someone's art by redrawing it completely differently, and smugly saying your art was terrible.
There was the trend of some of these twitter/tumblr artists who'd complain about a "person of colour" being coloured slightly lighter in shading, or complain the art was too "Eurocentric" and thus racist. I myself got into an argument years ago with someone accusing me of being a racist, because they were accusing an artist for "perpetuating racism and Eurocentrism" in their art about drawing faces.
Hell, i saw some artists being shamed for not drawing "realistic body types".
Saying this, while i dislike AI for how soulless and ghoulish the technology is in its primary purpose, i can understand why many people would choose that over certain artists from Twitter, who have a big attitude problem, overcharge their work, and often support things that are counter to the working class families.
For the longest time, art has felt hollow because it feels uninspired, its repetitive and slop. Maybe we have only ourselves the consumers to blame, but i digress.
The Art community needs to improve as a community, and be welcoming to people. People need an incentive to support people over AI, otherwise it only speaks volumes how divided we truly are.
Absolutely underrated comment, and I guess the art has felt uninspired in part because the internet as a whole has been trying to stamp out wrongthink and anything deemed too radical as a whole.
Other parts including the pure fact that it's a black hole for attention spans and idle thoughts, boredom being an unsung mother of creativity.
Good point. I also hate AI art for its sheer inhumanity, and wouldn't even call it art as I would consider art as necessarily human/stemming from intentionality. But I hate lefties just as much for the same reasons. Not particularly fond of the right either, but there's more reasonable people there and more people that understand left and right are legs on the same elephant. Not related just ranting
This is the reason I respect Khyle as a artist then these artists. Cowardice is the reason these freaks are bold enough into thinking they can get away bulling artists off the internet. If you cannot stand the ground on what you make then you shouldn't be posting your art on X in the first place.
People overestimate their ability to spot AI-generated imagery. Reason being:
1. They overestimate their artistic knowledge
2. AI technology is getting better
If you think someone is using AI and you don’t like that, just block them and be done with it ffs.
3. a lot of artist who actually use AI are using what's known as pre- & post-processing to hide the most obvious errors of AI generators so unless you're looking at a completely incompetent or lazy AI prompter it's, even for experienced artists & other AI users themselves, difficult of spotting the use of AI use
4. newer & more advanced AI art generators cannot just create drawing from prompts in various styles but also very convincing art drawing process videos making AI art detecting even more difficult to detect.
5. another way that AI prompters prevent the detection of them using NN generator tools is by either cropping the output (so that the images resolution is not an exact power of 2 which is what most generators would output raw)
6. yet another way that AI prompters prevent detection is by starting from an existing template & then doing multiple generations on that image at different levels of fidelity/variability & then combine the results using simple stencil masks differently at different parts of the image depending on how well each generation got at which part
7. on top of all the previous, a lot of AI prompters _do not indicate_ anywhere on their sites anywhere anymore that they did use AI.
bottom line: it's increasingly impossible even for experienced art collectors & connaisseurs to make out the difference between a hand drawn & AI generated image.
The sad truth is that if you want to be successful in life, you have to gain a thick skin. People are absolutely ruthless, especially on the internet.
The best part is all those people that harass are begging normies to move to BlueSky so they can harass them on there.
Not the first time for that artist. I'd say "people brought the old-world and 'IRL' mentality to the internet" and that was prior to and nothing to do with "AI."
Its almost like twitter isnt designed for artists. Artists just set up there because it's easy to meet new people and post all your content in one place and never leave the platform again.
Never understood people who use X as an art blog. Sure it had more users than the dedicated art sites, but then you have to deal with the community which is just cancer incarnate. Plus with the lack of meaningful search tools/filters any post older than week might as well be invisible.
Biggest reason I hate when artists shack up on Twitter never to leave again is their gallery becomes impossible to go through because you have to see every meme and political post they make in the same section.
Twitter leads to more public outreach than the dedicated art sites these days, so that's why all the artists land here. It's the same reason corporate brands get Twitter accounts and promote their products and services, It's hard to get that bag when your outreach is limited, especially when your reputation and fame aren't yet established and no one but select few know about you and your work.
@superplayerex2431 its not that I dont understand why it happens, its that it has the opposite effect on visibility for me because Twitter is an awful platform full of mindless snark.
@@jackhazardous4008true but if you want to make yourself known twitter is the place to be.
@@jackhazardous4008 Unfortunately, people value Twitter and whatever goes on it far too much and there's way too many people using it. That's just the grim reality of it. It's mainstream and it will never go truly go away. At the least, the death of Twitter would just make it transform into another social media site with all the same controlled algorithms and toxicity spewed from all fronts, provided they don't outright become worse than Twitter itself.
There's still niche uses for the site just like with Reddit that don't include playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes by engaging in acts of temper tantrums with random strangers on the net which is why the normies stick around.
So no matter how awful the platform is, it's impossible to let it go because it can potentially be the only way to gain a following such as for artists. It's the place where most people will hear about you and there's no changing that because that's the nature of mainstream social media.
Picasso is definitely AI.
This reminds when digital art started, many traditional artists did not considered it "real art" and even said "the computer made it". Whenever there is a big technological leap, it is only natural the old will be mad that the new generation can now do the same as them with less skill and training. They feel cheated of all the effort they put into mastering their craft.
If you dont mix your own pigments harvested with your own hands, you arent a real painter
There will always be that point of contention; change or progression will always be met with skepticism or contempt and it doesn't have to be valid or not. Whiteboards come to mind in this regard; when they first came to the scene a whole lot of people, teachers in particular, were upset that chalkboards would be sidelined by this new technology and viewed it as a breach of traditional practices and/or thought of it as a inferior replacement.
IIRC the first comic enhanced digitally on a Macintosh was "Shatter" (1985)
I do remember that later "artists" often "worked over" the classics and ruined them with ugly coloring and incontinent shading (Moebius "Incal" comes to mind which got ruined by some regarded guy who shaded it to death)
@@Bennumark Wait, there were teachers mad about WHITEBOARD!? Unless you have some emotional attachment to breathing chalk dust, why not just use whiteboard? It is better in every way and there is no skill gap since you write and erase the same way.
@@SterileNeutrino I remember seeing one of those, that was terrible lol
I have noticed that the most vocal anti AI warriors are not ,making their living with art/illustration.
most do not even have a portfolio of work to show.
they were never good enough to be professional artists even before AI
They are in every online “art community” fighting for a future that was never going to happen for them anyway.
I saw Goody Osborne making an AI picture of the devil!!
LOL!!
As an artist on X, this whole thing is just so gd embarassing. I've yet to see a single one of these AI witch hunts actually reveal an AI user. This case is especially egregious because that is very obviously not AI. Completely ridiculous.
I still don't understand why people do art on X. The format of the website blows and the community is mad toxic. Like, the media tab is only good on PC where it actually has a gallery layout. Artists like to use X as both a personal blog AND an art portfolio (save for the ocassional good few that make a second account because they realize maybe the people following them for art don't care about what they have to say), which dramatically overcrowds their feed.
I understand that X is "the public square" where you can potentially find more of an audience, but X is also notorious for shadowing even remotely risque accounts and having some of the worst people on the internet there sans old tumblr.
Pixiv is a significantly better platform for art in particular for both new artists and old artists. Like, my recommendeds feed is constantly showing me both people with 800+ works, and sub-50. And the community seems significantly better, both western and (predominantly) Japanese. Heck, I ocassionally see people in the comments on Pixiv that I recognize from like, Vee and Rev's comment sections. Much better place
That or Newgrounds, though Newgrounds isn't as popping as it used to be
It's amazing to me that people have no idea what AI art actually looks like. I keep expecting someone to go after an artist like Sakimi-chan or another artist like them.
Because actual AI operators normally are open about using it.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejoI wouldn't be so sure about that in the longrun - might end up seeing exposés similar to how certain "antis" end up being worthy of the woodchipper...
No, actually it is time to just start randomly accusing different artists of using AI by painting a red circle at a random thing and saying “AI!?”
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🐍 no step on snek🇺🇸🇭🇰
This comment was made with AI! Get him fellow transneckbeardfurries!
No, it's really not.
Considering the harassment highlighted in that video, it is deliberately stepping on snek.
NB4 "but they're all leftoids!!1!"
No, they aren't. *newspaper slapping*
We are probably not even a year out from the average AI art being impossible to tell the difference
the internet is mean
they say the ai art lacks "soul" but starry night was painted by a ginger
Based and VanGogh-pilled.
Demoralization campaigns
People need to grow some backbone and stand up to buIIies.
This is why buIIies are so important in school, people need to learn to stand up for themselves from an early age, otherwise they will live as cowards.
anywhere but xitter is better for posting art at this point
For most humans (not all), it’s not so much a reason to attack or bully someone, but an excuse to. We aren’t exactly a different species from the people who go in large crowds to watch people thrown to the lions, or hauled up to a giloteen.
Instead of competing with AI, artists need to understand that AI is a tool they can use too. They can generate some concepts to test some ideas then create a final piece combining EXACTLY what they want, which something AI still can't do with just prompts.
it will, stay mad
Not the first time, won't be the last, but man that's f'd up. New artist pops up, shows off their first piece their proud of, gets harassed and bullied so much they leave social media entirely.
People keep falling the are you a robot test. In every way. 😂😂😂
The worst thing is that these Twitter tourists consider themselves to be "good" and "virtuous."
Bayonetta is considered bisexual by the lBgT community, but because someone drew her with a guy apparently that's not bisexual...
I'm impressed by Vee's ability to drop comedy gold like that so nonchalantly.
Ai humans all have the uncannyness to them, but some ai anime is already at the level when you cannot tell difference between ai and normal.
I'm just curious how anyone can not differentiate between real and generated
When you're learning art, I ask you to not post t online for everyone, if you have a circle of artists show it there, only show you art when you're more experienced n have confidence in your style, so you can argue about your design choices in case someone does this, it pays off later
It is kind of understandable because people don't want to be cheated when ordering art.
Also the guys seeing just the art piece by itself could feel that someone wasted their time or don't want to support/share stuff lik that.
This will take some time until people get used to this
New technologies comes with new problems and humans need time to adapt.
I will gladly support artists, no need to delete your account. I will make them delete theirs
I usee to be against AI.
That was until I've interacted with enough artists.
Why aren't all these critics on Bluesky yet?
The people that are against AI have done far more damage to artists than AI itself.
Xitter is the best name for it.
AI is good at generic stuff, when it comes to specifics, it has serious trouble with it.
Specific pictures or specific styles(And i think style is something artists should be able to copyright so ai cannot use it) is what will set people apart. There is something of a genuine moral panic about ai art. I understand why, but people are fucking insane when they react to things, especially on twitter.
This. I have fairly unique fantasy humanoid race designs AI absolutely cannot replicate. And I don't think its THAT complicated. Its just nonstandard.
Winged humanoid with wings on the back? Great. Wings that cover arms and hands? Impossible.
Can't even do furry ears on side of the head. Furry / little bit beastly characters designs ALWAYS must have them on top of the head, no exceptions.
There's some neat rough concepts I can generate but that's about it.
@@JaidynReiman They can do the ears, i've seen it, but the wings, yeah, not so much.
An artist friend uses ai for ideas somethings, as what the robot interprets certain words as can differ greatly to a person.
It is just demoralization, even if the useful idiots dont notice theyre doing it.
Ever wonder why the ai art stuff hit so fast? Why is ai in other fields not as open source?
Movies,tv,videogames, and even art.
Your peaceful aspirations are under attack on purpose
Hey Vee heard anything about Elon in Romania?
Sounded really weird figured I'd ask you about that!
Artist are being replaced by technicians.
Now instead of making something from a blank canvas, they need to clean up a mess made by AI.
You ever thought that rather than looking at is as replacement, it could be cooperation? Just like how technicians made photoshop with all its filters and clean-up tools? Or how technicians made computers to use in the first place? With the nice "undo" feature to erase the mess the artist made? Seems to me that technicians are pretty quickly tossed aside by a select group of artists when they no longer deem them useful. Tell every artist to go back to painting on rock walls with mud. See how well you do without technicians.
see this is why i use ai for concept art and shot comp only, as if it were a mood board. if i draw something myself, it's easier to do it right the first time, instead of editing work that already exists. and if i use it as a "stochastic reference", it also takes the edge off the blank canvas the way a story prompt does for writing.
@@PeterDanielBergor you could just imagine it in your mind then make a few sketches if you need a reference or don't have the best memory. Unless you have to make hordes of images for a job using AI is just lazy. It would be like auto generating a synth patch and acting like you came up with the sound patch because you redid it yourself. Ironically you're being a "technician" like the other guy was raving on about since you are using it to substitute creativity by jumping over the most crucial part of a project: its inception.
@@Bagginsess eh it's not being a technician, it's just a kick to get over the static inertia. none of it ends up in the final product. and sometimes its just neat to see what the ai considers intrinsic to a style.
@@PeterDanielBerg this "inertia" you speak of is called creativity. If you can't formulate a concept in your head and need to rely on AI then you are not an artist you are a programmer. It's like boosting to level 60 in WoW classic you're missing the whole point that being the journey. Art is about overcoming writers block and enjoying the whole process not just the end result.
It's butthurt DeviantArt rejects striking again, making their vengeance against talented and skilled ppl they've always hated
There is no such thing as a black mermaid in European mythology.
If African cultures have mermaid mythology that's a matter for them to make movies about.
yea closest match i can think of is andromeda
There are some Black mermaids that eat human victims. But I don't know my heritage much.😅
Hmm. I was just thinking about making an X account for my artwork as it seemed less psychotic these days.
It's such a shame, while maybe not flawless, that artist had such an expressive, fluid artstyle. The crap by the pissant who caused them getting driven off of Twitter, however, looks stiff and bland, I'd much rather he'd quit the internet.
Personaly i don't mind AI art to much.
What i do mind is the sheer quantity some AI bros flood sites with...
A normal artist might post a pic or concept every week and a finished thing every other week...
A AI guy?, wil post one to 5 a day, until one gets a good reaction, and then wil post that same thing with slightly diffrent prompts 10 times every day...
Oh look it's his/her "thing" but now in forrest, oh look now it has a blonde, oh look here it is but with red in it...
Just 100s of posts of the exact same thing with one promt difrence flooding the sites...
Who is the artist tho? I am trying to find them, they are actually good.
The fools don't realize that ai is gonna replace their victims. A cancelled artist is an empty spot for Ai ti come along and replace.
Im so sick of being trapped here, no matter who and where I message, NOBODY can spare and help a poor fucking trapped soul like me.
god bless you buddy i hope you get whatever help you need 🙏🏻
Oh no. Printing press
Oh no. Radio
Oh no. Camera
Oh no. Film
Oh no. TV
Oh no. Rock music
Oh no. Internet
Oh no. RUclips
Oh no. AI 🤖
The difference with most of these is with camera and film, you could document things. AI always just generates things, regardless if they're true or not.
@@j.k.4479 any medium can be used for lying
@@j.k.4479 My favorite use of AI is actually to take my own art rough drafts and clean them up to a production finish: perfect lines and shading etc.
Oh looks like someone would have survived 2009 MW2 lobbies. Just enjoy knowing that most of the human race is a limp bizkit style pos in there own way they mostly won’t show it in person but it’s easy to watch things die from a distance.
Bring back my mw2 lobbies.
Creating images with AI really is no more than a toy or a crutch.
It sounds cool on paper, to be able to create anything you can imagine or have the AI create fanart of your favorite characters, shows or games, but after creating just a few you will likely notice how AI art is literally soulless. Yeah, it can be really good, shockingly so, but it simply will never compare to the weight that a real piece of fanart has, that someone spend time and effort into creating.
Though sadly some people don't get that and are only concerned with the end result, telling you that if you can't even tell if it's AI or not there is no difference. Sure, it might not be visible and AI art can even be superior to what an artist can actually do, but that's not the point really. Fanart exists to show appreciation for something you love, while AI generated pictures basically just come off a conveyor belt. Sure, someone had to put in the prompts and fine-tune the image and that can take some effort, but it doesn't compare to what a real artist does.
Similarly that's also why I think that text-AIs are just toys, you can't actually chat with them like you can with a person, so they won't replace real social interactions anytime soon.
They are incredibly useful tools though, having it aid you in programming, trouble shooting or as a teacher can be great.
We hate AI pictures! *Pulls this sh!t on good artists with a different opinion*
Where's Silent Hill 2 livestream reupload?
Sometime AI art look really nice but they're few and far between
well 90 percent of _everything_ is crap
Dang.
"there's still demand for human artists"
That will inevitably change in the future as AI becomes more advanced and sophisticated that you won't be able to tell the difference between human and AI.
maybe this is why people were always painting on canvas in star trek. since the holodeck and replicators can generate anything 1:1, the only way to prove you made a piece of art is if someone watches you paint it physically
@@PeterDanielBerg And that also depends on whether or not someone that watches you paint it physically, will tell others it's you who did it.
Why does anyone respond to these people?
The witch hunt for AI reminds me of the digital age where not drawing with traditional media meant your art wasn't "real".
If it's not AI then it's because you're too talented. Remember how many cried and moaned over how good PewDiePie got with his art? I laughed when some claimed to quit drawing because of him. Curious thoe, I hear a lot of older artists saying AI is a great tool?
Lets be honest its.just gay people trying to gatekeep art to just be their buddies
And they wonder why nobody cares when their job gets replaced by AI
Good.
I think of AI generated art much like Adobe Photoshop filters were when they came out. They are amazing and flawed and only a tool not meant to replace the artist but to add to their toolbox of tricks. Once you use filters in artworks your eyes are trained for it and looking for flaws to fix before releasing a final work, this applies to AI artwork as well. Too many people use AI as a scapegoat when it hasn't even matured yet.
And now you have AI generators directly in Photoshop.
The more I see how people react to AI illustration, the more I like AI illustration.
Let me guess, you never drew before and dont understand why people are mad about this but yeah now that people can walk for you and you dont need to walk anymore, surely you have the mind to appreciate what walking entails...
@@JesusChrist_Denton Cry more. Your response just proves me right.
@@JesusChrist_Denton Hey: spent 4 years in school and a decade or so more just drawing and painting and carving: AI is great. This is a tool that will allow people to express themselves more easily - the true purpose of art is expression, isn't it? Or are you just salty because it's not an exclusive club you had membership to anymore?
Edit: I'm happy to show you how you can use AI to take your own artworks and "finish" them. Do it up 80% of the way: and the AI will handle all the fiddly perfectly even lines and shading for you. Saves me literal hours of work.
People forget why Ai art exist in the first place, artist are such jerks
Ngl at some point you have to fight back if you want to keep posting something like art. Maybe also stop imagining that the world is a good place.
Can we all agree that "TwiX," is the better name?
Nope.. xitter(zitter) fits well
I saw this on twitter on the defending ai art, and we were all like bruuuhh, antis be so toxic man XD
I guess that settles it. I'm not returning to Xitter (still not using bsky tho.)
i dont get it ai is such a great thing we need way stronger ai
I use AI for things I'd have never commissioned an artist for in the first place.
Pretty much the same.
@SergioLeonardoCornejo No point in dropping a good chunk of change on say... a D&D character who might die in the first month of playing them
@@jackhazardous4008 or for testing ideas without a potential profit. Commissions are an investment. If they don't return investment, why even spend?
Hey artists. I like that weird uncanny AI art better than your art. Come at me
Bets on Vee NOT MENTIONING AT ALL thr Botting problem and the Throttleling
AI itself is not the sole reason for why artists are seeing a drop in income, but it certainly contributes to an already difficult situation. However, the solution isn't to yell at people when your horse stall is losing business, because cars were invented. You can either swim along with the current or go against the current at your peril. Change will happen either way, the only difference is whether you lose or benefit from it.
The worst thing about this kind of stuff is that it ruins good-hearted wholesome people and creates a more hostile atmosphere out of excessive vigilance and distrust because of those who ruin it for everyone
I hope all the good people stay true to themselves and continue being positive influences ❤️🩹
That first sentence is basically the online art community in a nutshell. A lot of self-righteous people who demand trust and respect while giving none.
It's only ruined if you let them
I've noticed that the artists who whine about AI art the most have the worst ability to identify AI art. They don't know that the AI has limitations at all, let alone which limitations it has. So they freak out and call anything they don't like "AI" in classic act of brain-dead hominid aggression.
Indeed. If they saw the limitations, they wouldn't be as upset.
Woke twitter acting like Inquisitors and the mechanicus when it comes art generated by abominal intelligence.
I am an artist - who knows what you would consider an artist nowawadays - and I don't mind comments, I will just use AI to censor or change very mean comments and make the internet cool again and go on with my life. No need to get stuck in the mud.
No! AI was only supposed to take away the blue collar jobs!
I don't believe your story about the AI in the corner. You probably heard it from AI
Vee,don't call AI images art. You wouldn't call ai youtuber an actual youtuber.
stay mad commie
Those are only Democrats on Twitter that think being mean is going to make ai go away. Everybody likes AI art.
These nutters on twitter acting like they just used the internet for the first time