Yacht Builder Plans to SUE Widow of Bayesian | SY News Ep389
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
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This newspaper article has done more damage to the yacht builders then the sinking of the yacht ever did !
That Italian uncouth braggadocio needs to be taught a lesson in civic values--and not by a storm this time around.
@@GiselleBoss21 thAn, not thEn 🤦
Since he claims his yachts are unsinkable, he should be sued for selling sinkable yachts!
I reckon it sunk too.
I know, I'm not an expert, but -50m must mean something!
Hahaha 😝
@@G-ra-ha-m
So right. Break of contract.
@@rjmck27 This was a defensive lawsuit. They filed it first because they know that one is coming their way soon
Brilliant!
What a shameless ceo has got perini….zero class, zero manners, zero competencies… he thought he knew everything 2 hours after the tragedy. Perini should kick him out
Another shameless Schettino trying to save himself first! What happened to the Italian cortesia?
If Constantino thinks the sinking hurt his company's reputation...then this lawsuit creates a new low. What a despicable lawsuit so shortly after loss of life on the Bayesian.
The hubris of this man is off the charts… that he would even consider such a move at this stage, where the facts are yet unknown is wild …. Such behaviour, to my mind, would be likely to put off future buyers.
Agreed, suing is what will damage his company's reputation..
The unsinkable yacht sinks and kills her husband and daughter and others and the CEO has the audacity to sue the victims' family!! I understand that Kamala Harris has hired him to run her campaign in USA!!! Stupidity and arrogance are really horrible combination!!
WHY on earth would he want to sue her, for gods sake..?!?
agreed, this lawsuit will push business away. poor form
The damage to their reputation was the head of the company placing blame on the crew before all the bodies were recovered. He damaged his own reputation by being an AH. No one wants to do business with someone who screams "not us, not us, we are not responsible" before any investigation has been completed. He showed they won't stand beyond their product. The company only has himself to blame.
Yeah, totally agreed. His eagerness to blame the crew and owner was arguably more off-putting than the sinking itself, as is this lawsuit.
Fully agree!
u are all idiots or what?
I was about to say the same thing.
This
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt." A saying Constantino should heed.
Thank you, Mr. Lincoln...
Agreed
So now yacht owners not only need to worry their Italian Sea Group vessel will sink, they are risking being sued for the sinking by the manufacturer on top of it. This was a ridiculous move on ISG’s part , not to mention insensitive to all the families involved.
My advice to Italian Yacht Group is to fire your top most management as they are doing irreparable damage to your company's integrity thru statements and actions. Now is the time to support surviving families not blame and point fingers which denigrates your corporate image.
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The CEO is the owner.
@@717379 Those orders are going to dry up faster than things I can't type here LOL!
Right - if there is evidence as a result of investigation and the statute of limitations is near, that is when you open your mouth or file a lawsuit - not before.
Constantino is straight up evil. To sue a grieving widow so soon after the loss of her husband is despicable. Add to that the fact that she also just lost her precious child…there are no words adequate to express how terrible this is. That man has no shame and no heart. If his company’s reputation is irreparably destroyed, it will be no one’s fault but his.
If someone claims that his ship, which has already sunk, is unsinkable, then he has already refuted his own claim.
He must be an awful person to work for. He seems excessively emotional.
Something's seriously wrong with the mind of that person. Dancing on the grave of others is for vultures, not humans.
Yes, but aside from that Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of the play?
🎉🎉🎉 SHYT OF ITALIAN MAFIA MAN 🎉🎉🎉 HE MUST GO TO PRISSION !
So far, Mr Constantino has done more damage to the company's reputation than anyone or anything else. Sure, there is internet speculation but, if he kept his mouth shut, it would fizzle out at least until and IF the investigation conclude design flaws helped the sinking.
Even the news of a forthcoming lawsuit only intensifies the Streisand Effect.
I would never trust a company with a ceo blaming the client or the client's crew before even knowing the circunstances of the accident. He can sue whoever he wants, its damaging the company even further.
He definitely should have waited longer before entering the "pointing of fingers and assignment of blame" part of the investigation.
Boeing written all over it
If the company wants to play hard ball and sue they further open themselves up to a counter suit claiming a 45 degree down flood angle makes the design not fit for purpose and should never have passed the standards required for a seaworthy vessel.
To add this to her survivors guilt and grief is unconscionable.
No doubt. HP has already done enough by continuing to pursuit their claims….did she need more?
The poor lady ! She has lost so much and now they are torturing her with this ! Thanks again for a great factual account. The only channel I follow for accuracy!
The only positive is that she is properly minted! They are going to regret this big time!
Again, First Cabin reporting! Your careful release of facts that may conflict with the words of a powerful manufacturer is precisely why we regard your critical reporting so highly.
Keep it up!
All he's actually done is report on someone else's news report that was published in Italy and exposed it to YT audience. It's not exactly investigative journalism.
Wow, how can the ship yard sue the family for its own design flaws. this looks bad taking advantage of a widow, who haven't even laid to rest her family. This is sick.
Constantino has completely lost his mind if he thinks that any loss of reputation is due to anything other than his own _unwarranted, egotistical & inadvisable media appearances..._ imagine if Porche's CEO was all over international media the day after Paul Walker's death, accusing Walker & his mechanic of causing the crash of his car before accident investigators had even started going over the wreckage. There's _no way_ TISG's lawyers are out there filing legal papers without Constantino & his buddies signing off on it... lawyers act on _client instructions,_ not general releases to do whatever they want. TISG were probably hoping to sneak those papers in before the investigation found out how dodgy their builds are... any claim that they "didn't authorise" the legal filings are just another lie from a bunch of people who in their hubris seem bound & determined to scupper their own sinking corporate ship.
If someone claims that his ship, which has already sunk, is unsinkable, then he has already refuted his own claim.
Who wants to buy a yacht from a company that might sue you?? Is he totally nuts??
... or any used yacht from this manufacturer, unless he is going to use it for scrap metal.
@@cidercik That’s probably why they’re now denying a court application was ever authorised by the company. They increasingly look like a very unreliable bunch - I wouldn’t buy one of their yachts.
@@deancerne1275hey come on people could want to buy one or several for a new reef it's good environmental work
Easy: No one.. and Yes.
I worked on a perini navi 45m sailboat, did an atlantic crossing, and i can confirm that the main doors do, in fact, not hold tight, and we also had to tie the doors shut for the whole crossing .
The furniture braking loose, would that hamper re-right a bit?
The "Italian Sea Group" is begging to be sued into bankruptcy. Their suit is truly shameful.
There is a reason why such tragedies are investigated by the independent authorities, and suits between those involved wait until the authorities draw their conclusions.
The lesson that is to be learned is that as a yacht constructor, you do NOT compromise on safety, even when the customer asks for it.
The only thing/person causing any publicity damage is the CEO of the sailing company. His public appearance berating the crew, immediately following this disaster, and claiming his ship was unsinkable, made people see that he is a heartless and uncaring. Instead of coming out and saying that his thoughts and prayers were with the family of those lost. You know, normal thoughts of sane people.
Had he simply done that, and then waited to make comments after a lawsuit was brought, people would maybe be more likely to stay with his company. And then, to bring a lawsuit against the yacht crew and widow???? INSANE!!
Nobody is going to go with them now.
And stupid. No ship is unsinkable. Right up front the widow has grounds to sue TISG into bankruptcy since their extremely public claim of unsinkability has so clearly been disproved.
The CEO is doubling down on his arrogance and is going full blown into his villain arc.
Heck, I wouldn't have anything to do with Perini or Italian Sea Group because of the CEO's attitude, not because of the sinking of _Bayesian._
Agree!
@@grondhero double agree
I think that potential buyers are leaning away from the yacht company due to Constantino's blaming the Bayesian passengers and crew for the accident. Constantino has to look in the mirror for this one.
Somebody fire this CEO immediately. He is cratering the company he’s charged with leading.
If I was Capt Cutfield, I would seriously consider suing Constantino for defamation. Until Bayesian, there was not a yacht crew anywhere in the world that a feared that a sailboat with a ballasted keel - without sails up - would simply get blown over and not come back upright.
Good idea, write to him and say you'll cover the costs.
Not true, the Bayesian had a retractable keel which was normally retracted when moored or docked.
At anchor. With no heavy seas.
The yacht builder has lost their mind, in my opinion.
They lost their mind when they built a sailing yacht that would remain capsized once blown onto its side. They doubly lost their minds when they didn't post placards all over the yacht warning of this danger.
Possibly he took something Safe and Effective..
Agree.
The builder should have fixed the salon door issues on all of the vessels produced as soon as it became known; one expects that all "design flaws" have been addressed when one pays that amount of money . Better check out the computer of the builder for emails from customers complaining about the the door issue and other flaws.
The poor families having to deal with this crap now. From day 1 Constantino blamed everyone but himself.. Now even tho he says he didnt initiate the law suit its out there and cant be unseen.. He is the problem his customers are backing out. Had he kept his mouth shut till all the info was in and then said any flaws that arose would be addressed his business would have doubled..
Talk about a terrible move . Italian Sea Group shame on you .Even making the statement that it was crew error without knowing exactly what had happened. Who would buy a yacht from them knowing if anything goes wrong the manufacturer will give a press conference blaming you before any inquest or investigation?
Great journalism mate ! I hope you get an award for explaining a really complicated situation to the layman...Keep up the good work
I bet suing the victims will cause even more loss of revenue!
I am not a sailor but the details and the way things are explained are described as such detail that the mainstream media should learn from this channel.
Well done Perini Navi. Charter rates and yacht sales will hit the floor (or seabed).
Sueing ahead of the results of the enquiry could be held as trying to influence its outcome, by paralleling the enquiry in one in an Italian court. The idea would be to get a civil damages award in a friendly court against the crew and the owner before the enquiry could conclude, prejudicing the enquiry.
the structure and the flow of your episodes are flawless.. and you are natural ..
agree, very easy listening
Aye it's excellent reporting mate
Another great informative and fair update on this tragedy. Thanks for all your great work.
This is a shocking turn of events!!!
To answer your question "does someone stop buying "that car" because someone crashes it and dies?", no. Not even close to the same scale in any way (cost of car vs cost of vessel), Constantino et al made the claim it is "unsinkable". No door interlock should be able to be defeated, and if the door closes when the vessel is leaning over that much, it is a defective design.
I would not buy a yacht from a manufacturer that would potentially sue me for a maritime accident, with a record of having done so to previous clients
My thoughts exactly‼️
Ok... so imagine i am a billionaire wanting to get a boat built...
Am I going to go to a company that might sue me if something goes wrong with the boat(crew acrions, design, or freak accident)?
I think you just handed your job on to someone else because you may have just single handedly sunk the company.
May I say your briefings are really excellent. Clear. Objective. Professional while human. Bravo.
They are looking to become the next OceanGate!
@TheYachtReport....your attention to detail is remarkable and refreshing. When something is a fact, you cite its source. When theories are discussed, you clearly state them as such. It's difficult to find those qualities in reporting anymore. Thank you to the entire team!
Don’t be offended… just appreciate douchbaggery as an art form.
Poor woman. Just lost her husband and her daughter and now she has to deal with this. My heart goes out for her.
This is not going to end up well, in my opinion. This is going to turn against him. If anything the builders may be one of the responsible for the sinking. This isn't going to age well.....
Escape hatches would be a Classification Society requirement. If Class don’t specify it, then it doesn’t need to be built into the vessel. In hindsight yes it may have saved lives. I have worked military, commercial and superyacht as an engineer and still do commercially. I have questioned many times design faults that get signed off by Class. The Yacht designer will build to spec but at the end of the day it’s got to be given the green light by Class. This is something that is not being talked about much at the moment.
Whatever class this boat was, it sure seems large enough to require escape hatches. 🤷♀️
Even on the inland waters of the Norfolk Broads, every sleeping cabin has to have a 'viable secondary means of escape', whether a hatch or a removeable window. The same 'viable secondary means of escape' is a requirement under the Recreational Craft Directive, which covers all offshore yachts built since 1996. Yet it seems that oceangoing yachts over the 24m limit of the RCD can legally be designed to a lower standard.
Thanks for looking after us!!
I would suggest that this action will do far more harm to the builder than anything else.
Thank you for your videos! They are always so unique and high quality. You are an inspiration!🌓🍒🚴
WOW! Way to commit commercial hari kari Italian Sea Group. Watch those cancellations pile up now.
Your channel is a place where quality always comes first. Keep making us happy with your masterpieces!💍🥂😅
The ship's designer sounds like a real Captain Jack ⛳
Due to the center of gravity problems with the silly mast length, the heavy doors mentioned, the lack of escape hatches, the low area at the rear with the stairs down to that area so close to the outer railing, the unsecured keel banging around driving the decision to raise the keel when parked in deep water, IMO these are design issues that contributed to the sinking.
How can he possibly do this when the investigation has not been completed and lets face it, the yacht was only unsinkable until it wasnt!!! How can you ever say something is unsinkable unless it passes the test of time in various situations. The court should throw this out. Is it not enough for the survivors to suffer those deaths without being responsible for a designers reputation? Im appalled that someone could even think of doing this. Even if all the people survived the boat still sank. A few more moments and those people could have escaped. The owner should 'counter sue' that there was obviously a design fault. The jury in court would have such a difficult time reaching a verdict.
All boats that have ever sunk were unsinkable until they did.
It was unsinkable as long as it was safely on land.
I'm pretty sure the car was Paul's but his friend was driving like a pissed off teenager. It was a full tragedy. Even Jay Leno testified the GT was safe when driven as intended.
Hopefully the family will be able to counter sue for the loss of their beloved family. It was their yacht that brought them to the bottom of the sea.
From your prior information Esysman, it appears ego is at the root cause of the loss of life. Same as the Titan submarine tragedy, or the Costa Concordia. The list is nearly endless. Ego will now destroy the TISG.
Once again, you are a brilliant reporter, thank you!
Misuse of "the best defense is a good offense" lol.
Won't end well for them.
I'm confused, if the sinking was due to crew error and not defective building or design, then wouldn't the builder's reputation be unaffected?
This event is exposing so much! Thanks for covering the news that comes from it
Doesn't anyone wonder why the original manufacturer of the yacht went bankrupt? Constantino’s company is merely the one who bought the bankrupt shipyard.
a very valid question....
The original company was founded by Sig Perini, of the famous paper making company.. The Perini family then sold the company to …I think.. a hedge fund..in about 2015.. They then promptly bankrupted the company that failed in 2020/21. TISG only acquired it in about 2020.. Amongst the assets were a couple of hulls under construction at a sub contractors yard in Turkey, as I understand it.. Quite why Constantino didn’t simply and truthfully distance himself from the sinking, by explaining that TISG had only recently bought the company and had therefore no involvement in the design or construction of Bayesian.. defeats me!..That would have been the most sensible course of action in my opinion..
their company is sinking faster than their boats
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They said that the Titanic was unsinkable too!
It’s difficult to believe this yacht had such a low down flooding angle with such a huge mast. Crazy
It's because of the huge mast.
The denial from the Italian Yacht Group sounds like a "non-denial denial": "We haven't sued yet but we have attorneys on standby!" From the looks of it, the Italian Yacht Group is trying really hard to find a scapegoat (including a Italian TV show blaming the crew). They are worried themselves about a lawsuit (fully warranted IMO) and want to make as much noise as possible before it happens: "We sued first..."
With the 40-45° downflooding angle, even if all the hatches & vents were closed, there is a gap (with stairs) at deck level that would have flooded the cockpit and the saloon through the saloon doors. Such a low downflooding angle is unacceptable on a sailing yacht.
This is the most intriguing story ever. Why isn’t there more media attention in the US? The titanic submersible was nothing compared to this😮
Constantino only has himself to blame. Instead of doing what he should have done which would have been to support the victims, wait for the report and commit ISG to making any safety changes if they were deemed necessary. He chose to engage in a very crass and public blame game and I don’t think anyone in the industry is buying it. He’s created the impression of a very toxic company and I can only see that changing with him loosing his job for starters.
He's Italian, waving your arms around while blaming everyone else comes as standard
The company wants to sue the family before any report has been issued on why the vessel sank? If true, talk about hot-headed.
This is evolving into a mega nightmare for all of the people involved with this sailboat!
Has Mrs. Lynch, the widow even said anything negative about the ITSG?
The counter suit is going to be every lawyers dream.
Honestly this is shocking, it's the design of the boat, of course they will deny that it's not. It's obviously the design, it's not rocket science.
Well everything was against this boat, own up to all the flaws and I hope someone can stand up to the Italians who are trying to save their reputation, and not even think for one minute what they have done or said to the sad situation which has arisen of people dying. No one will want to do business with this company who are thinking of money than people lives, for god's sake own up and pay the dues, simple.
This won't encourage people to buy their yachts will it. I believe that the company will fail as the claim that the vessel was "Unsinkable" is a complete fantasy.
And evidently easily disproved.
@@crustyzimmerman3324 yes, in my opinion it sunk!
In my opinion only very few sea vessels are truly unsinkable. Some Coast guard rescue vessels are. They will automatically right themselves. I'm sure there are other unsinkable vessels, but this one was not.
@@tinacatharinaeden2711nothing is unsinkable Tina unless it's on land
@@tinacatharinaeden2711 I totally agree. I think there are going to be massive lawsuits going back and forth.
So informative and knowledgeable. I'm following every post. Well done!
40° degrees doesn't seem like very much . I have buried the rail on several large sail boats to the point of the keel breaking water and recoverd with out incident.
Agreed. It’s insane that an emergency system was not included in the design. I suspect we will see changes to the design rule book and best practices once the dust settles.
Always current and amazing content thank you.
This is first class reportage and I’m fascinated following all of your reports regarding this incident. It has captured worldwide interest and rightly so as it is becoming stranger than fiction.
If this is true, then the only trouble came is from the big mouth person coming out to say that the sailboat was unsinkable after it sunk. If he had said nothing other than condolences to the crew and family would have been the best thing to say.
Kraken yachts make there's can go around 150 degrees and be able to recover. It's not uncommon for a mono haul to get knocked down that is around 90 degrees and be able to recover really bad weather and rough seas. If everything is good then the mast will still be there.
You probably will have damage to sail's and or other damage. But you will not become sinking boat.
Great video.
Designers might consider moving the fresh air intakes somewhere higher than 2’ above the waterline.
IKR?
Thank You so much for doing this story 🙏🏽🙏🏽💙💙💙
Love your reports
Very professional videos. You know exactly how to capture the audience's attention.❤️❤️ ^ 🦕,
I truly hope noone ever asks the manufacturer to build them a new boat. Like ever again.
What a mess, feel sorry for the survivors. I do believe that the crew might need some help at this moment.
They do
When a ship sinks, the RATS always float up! TISG seems to be floating up.
It sounds like ISG law suit will be as flawed as the builders supposed expert and unsinkable ship building design.
I don't understand how these vessels can pass class inspection without a secondary escape hatch to each cabin. I couldn't pass MCA survey for a vessel
Good point. If it was MCA certified as you say it wouldn't pass. Not going to say any more.
The yacht was built in 2008 and I believe it was classified by ABS, so it possibly wasn’t a requirement under their classification..
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Even on the inland waters of the Norfolk Broads, every sleeping cabin has to have a 'viable secondary means of escape', whether a hatch or a removeable window. Yet it seems that oceangoing yachts over the 24m limit of the RCD can legally be designed to a lower standard.
If the vessel is purely for private use I don’t think the same rules apply.
Gerneral-Motors owning Opel, the German car brand gave Opel a complete van with the name Sintra. The first European crashtest proved the car deadly for the driver and was the first car that lost a star in the crash rating for that. Afterwards the car was not sellable anymore in Germany. The car was withdrawn from the market. PN has now a similar problem, but worse.
Mr. Constantino appears to have single-handedly sabotaged his own company from within. While they deny that a formal report has been logged, the mere admission that they drafted one and began apportioning blame before the inquiry is quite telling.
In my opinion, instead of trying to assign blame so soon after the tragedy, Mr. Constantino should have issued a statement saying they would work closely with the authorities to determine what went wrong. In the meantime, he could have announced that all models currently under construction would be reviewed to see if safety measures could be improved based on the information available so far.
I think I am going to short TISG (The Italian Sea Group ) stock first thing tomorrow morning. The stock was at 11 dollars in april of this year.....but has been falling ever since. It is currently at 8.44 .........with this news out I can see it going to 4.00 dollars or lower. Let's watch and see what happens.
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I think the lesson from this is that sloops and katches are not good starting points to design a super yacht. You want a super yacht to have maximum stability, luxury and safety and you just can not get that with high masts and low freeboard. If you want big masts and sails you are going to be compromising on safety.
The problem is that the design criteria for a sailing yacht and a floating 5-star hotel are incompatible. You can have one but not the other. I would argue, however, that if you ditched the 5-star nonsense and wanted to design a 56 metre sailing yacht, then a ketch rig is viable, but not a sloop rig.
This.
@@digitaurus If you really want the biggest mast in town you might need a surgeon not a naval architect. Sailing ships have survived knock-downs often before, for some odd reason bigger ships tend to have more masts [get a clue about righting moment ''naval architect']. Consider center line hatches to reduce flooding possibility. Being unstable beyond 40-45 degrees makes you a poorly designed motor-sail contraption not a sailing yacht. Then sue your victim - brilliant publicity move. In the end consider function not status symbol. This might just be greedy people taking advantage of the super rich who may know a great deal about something but not much of anything about boats. If you want a flying car you just end up with a very expensive lousy airplane that is a really second rate car.
Any owner of an Italian Sea Group vessel would be insane not formulate a plan to divest themselves of it. It might not be wise to jump to a sale now but if they sense a lull in the coverage of this topic, I imagine they will pounce on the opportunity.
If they don't already have them, they will need first to retrofit escape hatches from the sleeping quarters.
Great job with the update. They have ruined their own reputation by how they have acted . Boosting the boat was unsinkable is ridiculous. Suing the crew and owners before the loved ones have been buried. The cause of the sinking is still a unknown. It was hit by a waterspout / tornado, and you blame the crew. Really? WOW I would cancel my contract on that basis alone. What are they thinking? They really need a new PR person.
Classless Italian builder..he knows claiming his ship was, "unsinkable," is his failure. just when you think someone can't get any lower! I hope the family sues the builder for false claims, etc...etc...etc...design flaw for sure! Mast was too head heavy! Prayers to ALL of the families who lost loved ones!
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👆🏽....I support the widow. 🦋...this is generally a shot across the bow, as in intimidating, ....they are feeling out a situation 😉....already back paddling what/who was authorized... the families need support and prayers for all lost. 🙏🏼✨
She should sue in the International Court in the Hague. Not being Italian, she will not get any fair hearing in an Italian court.
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@ralph noneofyourbusiness7258 "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*Paul Walker* : I believe Mr. Walker was a passenger in the Porsche when it crashed. It was driven by the owner, who was a respected racer. He was speeding, and the tyres were old.
I think the tires may have been original to the car, 8 or 9 years old. That's pretty old.
Correct. The state of the tires on that Porsche was definitely a large contributing factor to the accident. Excessive speed for conditions was another one.
Thanks, Roger Rodas, the driver, and he was driving too fast, something that Porsche doesn't need to warn a would -be purchaser about.
Also, they were in a car park, so he let loose with the power and paid the price, taking Paul Walker from his children's lives.
@@alsimonukwrong . They weren’t in a car park. 👍
thank you. and I look forward to your follow up on this tragedy. god rest the departed
Can a boat be both unsinkable and at the bottom of the sea at the same time?
"Unsinkable." I feel like I've heard that before somewhere...
@fioled73 Titanic springs to mind there
@@fioled73 Schrödinger's yacht.
it can"t sink any further from there
Schrodinger's boat? The boat is both unsinkable and sinkable.