MEETING EISHETH - Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance (Part 16)
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- Today, we make some side quest decisions and face off against another member of the Qadistu! How will we fare this time around?
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I recommend starting the "Return of a True Demon" quest.
Yes! Since it’s a pretty good accompaniment along the main story.
I second these
They buff the 1st boss you fight if he cirt you or hit weakness he can insta kill you and he is fast to so he might get cirts
True! The battle is great aswell , would love to see how they tackle it
There are some comments spelling out the alignment system, but I would honestly mostly ignore it. If you make decisions in the game that are congruent with your ideals, then the protagonist's alignment should naturally align with your own. It's a system that's not explained by the game on purpose, it's supposed to work behind the scenes. Just think carefully about each decision you make and decide each one based on your ideals, don't worry about trying to influence things in a particular direction.
You should definitely start return of a true demon quest.
gonna echo some of the other comments, Return of the true demon is... kinda a very special sidequest, to put it lightly. It's pretty much the only sidequest that is *more or less* done throughout the whole game, so now that you are past its level, it's recommend to go ahead and start it when you can, and then just sorta do stages of it as they come up. Definitely has some good rewards.
I enjoy the Megaten series (Shin Megami Tensei, Devil Survivor, etc.) partly because it lets you make your own choices and without really explaining the alignment system.
There isn't a good or evil side when it comes to angels and demons. You just make choices and pick a side given the information you have. There are times the world gets destroyed, other times humanity loses all free will or maybe you come to a different solution. You never really know until it's all said and done.
"As a human myself, I cannot let a succubus demon and her friends run wild."
This is why we will never have monster waifus. XD
18:41 jokes on you Yoko i read Lilim's lore i know Principality was the better choice
To be fair the lore is usually based on real-life mythology rather than in-universe. It's unclear whether those Lilim in particular want to feast on infants.
@@Lutyrannus usually the demons real life mythology is the same as in universe
And usually those that would contradic in universe lore are rewritten
@@plaqueywakey5631 not always, for example there's multiple times where the lore description will describe what they look like in actual mythology, even if the in-game design is mostly unique.
@@Lutyrannus in appearance it's true but with lore it usually changes take Lucifer's lore for exemple
But minor demons lore don't change much between irl and smt anyway
Just as a side note, you may want to upgrade Nahobino's skills. Zan and Bufu are fine early game, but even Yoko is up to medium level spells. They are quickly getting outclassed.
13:00 Another reminder that this pass isn't needed. As long as you still have blinking icons by the time you come around to your next weakness hit (which would be the MC in this case) the pass gets you nothing. Better off to use Mahama there. The next time your turn comes around is evidence of that, when you have her use the Amrita Soda, which was definitely the right move there. (I feel like I should stop complimenting Evan; it's going to go to his head.)
16:35 Y'all get it. SMT games are all about alignment, Law vs. Chaos, and none of them are truly 100% "right" or perfect. There's always a flaw in the world they want to create. No ideology is perfect. Most often, you're picking the least-bad option.
24:20 I won't. Elementals are actually great to fuse because they make it easier to get very specific demons later (basically when you fuse an elemental with another demon, you move it up or down the hierarchy of that demon type, so fusing Flammis with a Vile type demon will just get you a different Vile, etc.) They're garbo in combat usually, but they're great for opening up fusion.
53:49 - I think one of the causes of the few times you mess up the press-turn system is that you think of it as "giving you a press turn" when in reality it's more like "only using half of a turn." Getting the flashing icons absolutely lets you have more actions during a turn, but it's a lot more fruitful to think of it as using up half of a turn rather than gaining an extra one, and you can use the remaining half of that turn later. That's why at maximum, if you hit weakness/critical/etc on every press turn, you can only double your actions, and no more.
It's hard to know what the "right" thing to do in these moral dilemma sidequests due to the lack of consequential data (you had no idea if Lilim was evil for example).
It's a little bit generic but I do like how morality is explored here. The game isn't judging you for making a choice eitherway (thank you, Yoko ~).
I think the lack of information is intentional, too. They clearly want to test who the player is willing to trust. The willingness to trust angelic order because of its assumed inherently good nature, or the willingness to give in to demonic chaos because of their desire to fight against the established order. Choosing which side you believe is just as much a part of the player's ideals as the actual ideologies espoused by the characters themselves.
@@Lutyrannus yeah I forgot to mention that it Is intentional, thanks for the input
This is one of the clearer choices
Siding with principality is the wiser choice but also the boring one
@@DanielPereira-ey9nt I’m not sure that’s true because it’s possible the demons were innocent
@@lloydau3610 even if you assume they're telling the truth there's still the likelihood they'll
mind later and start harming humans, and bethel already struggles to control invading demons as it is
Thinking that helping the Lilim is the right thing requires a lot of unfounded trust in them
You should be good enough to fight the weakest of the Four Gods (Xuan Wu) and for that quest "The True Demon" if you want to deal with them next episode.
EISHETH'S MYTHOLOGICAL LORE:
The name "Eisheth Zenuim" means "Woman of Whoredom." In Kabbalah, she is sometimes seen as the princess of Qliphoth who rules over Gamaliel, the reverse of the Sefirot Yesod, though Lilith sometimes fills this role instead. As Yesod is the node of the Tree of Life that represents foundation, enabling both connection and movement, Gamaliel represents an impure or hindered form of this process. In mythology, she is said to eat cursed souls. Calling it salvation, she attacks humans and steals their souls.
Most people usually eat away their problems. Eisheth believes in eating the problem.
Also, everyone is saying to do the True Demon Quest. Considering your level now and how you've been playing.
The fight should be...fair.
It was originally dlc in the base game, and you'll unlock new demons to fuse, with good skills. After doing a battle, another purple pillar of lighting will appear on the map leading you to the next fight. Take on the challenge and face death, if you dare.
48:17 I think that sounds like a Swablu.
Bird sounds are welcome in the netherworld.
But the Blizzard Launcher Auto-Updater is not. 49:55 XD
Hey! Hey! Hey! More SMTV: Vengeance! Glad you got the audio sync fixed, Evan! Appreciate the video!
I'm willing to bet the audio sync issue happened with the Blizzard Launcher interruption.
Thanks, Actiblizzard.
Please, Start the Return of the True Demon quest. I think everyone in the comments is saying your good to go now.
Wanted to clarify some things about some skills and their math:
Bloody Glee: This skill is genuinely bad. The crit bonus is a +3%. There is an upgraded version later that is a +15%.
Beast Eye: This skill provides a +15% bonus to hit and later there is an upgrade that increases to 30%. They stack but you probably don't want to waste the slots unless you are making a demon who uses attacks noted as inaccurate. Those have a base 50% chance to hit.
Charge: it is less useful in this game than others like Persona because it only gives a 1.7 multiplier in exchange for sacrificing a turn. Later though there are worthwhile upgrades and a version that can be used on other party members. There is also an item which gives charge meaning that there is even less reason to waste a skill slot on it.
38:05 The magical gremlin lives on.
I just wanted to comment that quests are more important than you think. They actually impact on your alignment which in turn affects the ending you get. For example siding with Lillim gets you closer to the chaos side, meanwhile principality is law side, I think the same can be said for dialogue options like when you say things that Tao likes but Yoko disagrees and vice versa but I’m not that sure and guides aren’t that far anyway. So I recommend that you think carefully about the choices you make in order to have the ending you like. Also to know your current alignment you must go the overworld in fake Tokyo, if you icon spins counterwise you are chaos, if it spins normal you are law and staying still it’s neutral.
I would argue that it's a spoiler to explain this. Obviously it's stuff most SMT fans know but the game is obscure about these things intentionally, it's supposed to make the games narrative unfold organically and when the alignment system is spelled out by someone like this it removes a lot of organic nature. People think ahead about what ending they want to get rather than making decisions based on their ideals.
@@LutyrannusSorry it wasn’t my intention, I just wanted to help and make sure they get an ending they feel satisfied instead of being catch off guard. It was never my intention to give that impression, if it becomes a problem I will delete my comment, again I’m sorry.
@@brandonvaldez8113 nah you don't need to apologize, it's all good. It's pretty subjective whether or not it counts as a spoiler. There are definitely some people who don't want to play games with alignment systems organically because they feel caught off guard when they realize they were choosing their endings the entire time and didn't even realize it, and those types of people probably want to be informed of the system ahead of time. Others like to play through it entirely blind and just let the story organically and naturally unfold however it may based on their decisions. It's ultimately up to Pixel Partners in this situation, and we obviously have no clue of knowing just *how* blind they want to play games like this. Ultimately I'm sure they're used to pseudo-spoilers in comments based on how long they've been playing games on this channel so I'm sure they were either expecting comments like this and if they want to avoid them they may have systems in place to prevent one or both of them from being spoiled by the comments.
10:55 If you want to claim mortality here the correct option is probably to not complete either quest. Don't murder the Lilim who just want safety in the human world nor help allow demons into the human world.
yeah i think for most of these there is no "right choice" except for maybe like 2 of them where one side doesnt even try to hide their intentions. i usually decide on first playthrough based on which demon of the two i want in my party and second playthough i go with other option
You have a lot of blind trust on those demons to believe they're telling the truth and that they'll keep their word to not cause trouble later
The Lilums' boss music is so good
33:52 XD You got surrounded by Jack Frosts
Fun fact- Eisheth is voiced by Mitsuru and Boss
Eisheth- What part of yourself do you hate the most?
Me- MY HATRED FOR YOU, MITSURU!
Eisheth- Who?!
Me- DIEEEEEEE! (punches through her skull)
35:11 Young man count
Young man total- 47
You guys need a better lightning magic attack right now like Poltergeist or Lilim.
Right now, Take-Minakata is not a good lightning attacker and it is better as a physical attacker due to it's strength is higher than magic. Yoko don't do much damage because of her lack of positive affinity towards lightning.
It seems like it'd be appropriate to get Dis in Da'at
Huh, so that's what happens if you side with Principality. I considered doing that on my vengeance playthrough to see, but couldn't bring myself to do it. Just felt too evil.
i dont think there is a right choice as its up t interpretation on who is right if the lilim were telling the truth or not, out of all the coice side quests i think all but 2 are pretty ambiguous on whos in the right
The Lilim are clearly going to drain humans of their energy, so I don't think it's evil to side with Principality. I chose the Lilim in both my playthrough of the original and Vengeance but it's definitely up to interpretation which is the "evil" choice.
@@brandonwithnell612 Yeah, the one in zone 4 is the only one that seems unabiguous regarding who's right, and they could have added ambiguity by making the demons with the chaos rep refugees instead of just wanton invaders.
18:58 you know the jelly apocalypse animation for persona 5, “was it really ok for us to stop (I forgot the name he used) the baby eater, inventor of eating babies?”
That’s what she feels like with her “they weren’t literally pure evil so you shouldn’t have done anything”
47:11 after fighting the last three bosses of the game, a tanky, high phys damage, life stealer is really cute tbh. Heads up for hell in like 2 month. I didn’t even fight two of the most difficult battles of the og my first go around in this version.
even if you 100% trust the Lilims to not do any permanent damage to humans in Tokyo killing Principality is still a bad move since as they point out he is guarding a pathway. which means without him there not just the Lilim can reach the "safe" Tokyo now. the game sadly drops the ball by not really considering it and having Principality abandon his post if you kill the Lilims for him
What will happen today I wonder…
Another fun fact: Feng Huang’s Japanese name is Ho-Oh (or Houou, which was the localized name in Persona 3 Reload), the same name for that legendary Pokemon in Gen 2.
I’m not even sure how to pronounce that?
Ay-sheth
48:17 I mean, fun fact, Feng Huangs other name in both this series, and Mythology is Ho-oh. And Guess what mythical chinese bird monster the pokemon with the same name happens to be based on?
I think it's time to start using some essences for some mid tier spells now
The Principality vs Lilim quest is pretty much a matter of wise and safe vs fun and risky
You can't be sure the Lilim are telling the truth, and even if they are, there's no guarantee they'll keep their word of not causing trouble. But you can be sure that the angel is honest in their purpose of protecting humans from them
Helping the Lilim requires either a lot of blind trust on them or believing that the positive aspects of unleashing a horde of thirsty succubi on the city outweigh the negative ones
I can’t keep up with these character names, they keep getting crazier each time
Blame mythology
These names are gonna be the end of me
What is it with these evil ladies? They’re really not doing it for me, but I can tell the designer is trying.
Mixed signals are not welcome in the netherworld… I think… I hope.
They're literally called the sacred prostitutes, I think the designs work well enough
@@starkillahxNo wonder my comments kept getting deleted for using their group’s actual name.
@@JJ_R oh lol my comment went to the shadow zone too
So The quadistu are pretty much entirely new to this updated version (and exclusive to the story that they chose.), but the 4 of them are *kinda* connected to each other in mythology/lore. Nuwa however is an unrelated evil lady who was pretty much a part of the games original storyline, and therefore, is just kinda here with the new one.
They're doing it for me