@@ryanchong43722.3k is perfectly fine. artif, faru, and possibly furina as dmg% sources would accentuate your atk even post ben buffs. dont worry you dont have "too much"
Its kinda odd how the fontaine craftables kinda got talked down at reveal but now are like F2P BiS on multiple units. Like Song of Stillness is Fischl's best weapon outside reaction teams and beats stringless at early refines.
The crafted claymore at R5 is crazy as well, for an atk stat stick. Super easy to meet its condition, especially with Furina in the mix leading to more healers being used. Which makes the atk% 5 star claymores less appealing, though WGS does still have its team buffing factor.
people dont talk about Fontaine craftables for some reason, still they can really add a lot for f2p players. I used to have Kaeya (freeze) with Isshin but now I'm using R3 Finale of the Deep and it gives SO MUCH stats and your only requirement is having a healer on the team. I myself use Jean and works perfectly. I'm so happy for the upgrade, can't wait to get another sword billet to make it R4.
Bennett needs so much ER, Skyward Blade feels a lot better than Aquila. As for Skyward Spine, it's fantastic for Shenhe. She needs the highest possible Attack and ER. It benefits her buff far more than Fav.
agree, aquila is just cope and not worth it compared to the extra comfort blade provides for the price of like 65 base atk, with aquila you need a lot of ER subststats which can be hard to find if youre on instructor and I would generally recommend it over aquila to any new(er) player that has both options.
@@dogo523 most shenhes do not have 50+ crit rate to support fav and even then its not consistent and barely worth it to go for crit rate subs when you could get more atk% and ER instead. and dont cope with your 20crit rate shenhe that procs fav once per region
@@TheColdestplay I use Aquila since day 1 with Bennet and I never had ER issues, I just slapped every Nobblese ER thing I have and problem solve, since Bennet's ult doesn't scale with Artifact's atk
The thing about aquila is that sapwood exists which still has really high base atk but an actually good stat for Bennett + an actually good passive IF you are in a dendro team
Aquila really just sucks, the only thing it does for Bennett is the High Base Atk, everything else is completely useless. As soon as you play with Dendro on the team, Sapwood is better and for ER hungry teams, Skyward Blade is also better.
Aquila: Bennett/physical Keqing Harp:Stats stick and best for Sara buff, and good in general for bow users Spine: second option for Shenhe? Amos:Ganyu Wolfs: good in general, but not specific or specialised enough. Others: more likely stats stick
That's just skyward in general. It has good enough stats, and a nice dose of ER, so handy for plenty of off-fielders. So if the rest of your team doesn't need Fav for energy, well, you might as well kill things faster, so that you don't need to always be relying on favs for energy ;)
Also the passive benefits to physical dps. Its just overall dmg boost even if the final explosion is weak. The physical vacuum blades plus 100 burst uptime puts her dmg on top.
Diminishing returns, with Skyward my Wanderer has literally 5000 ATK after all the buffs and he hits around 40-42k normals but Lost Prayer would let him reach 50k
l take skyward spine is so underrated and good. bunch of stats even crit stat stick to some little degree. it does everything youd need and helps you tune out small missing stats in your build.
Skyward blade is straight up better for Bennett than aquila , its gives so much ER , giving that much ER allow you to use instructor on Bennett which is a huge DPS buff
This might be the best Twitch-Zyox I've seen ever since Genshin was a thing. I prefer RUclips-Zyox over Twitch-Zyox most nights on the internet, but this might be the closest we ever got to RUclips-Zyox on Twitch
I spent an insane amount of time looking at kqm weapon rankings just to argue that LPSW --> Atlas only to realize that he changes his mind at the very end. Om
I wonder if Inazuma's craftable great sword would be good on Navia. It has ER substat, gives additional flat energy for her ult and some damage bonus for her skill (which is main source of Navia's damage).
Skyward Pride is truely usable by Eula: Since it increase damage by % and effect is physical. Downside is that you still lack crit stat, physical boost and are required to open with burst to activate the secondary effect. Itto benifit from it by having 8% more damage. The blade effect is not boosted since you are not building physical, but his high attack speed and burst opening can compensate. Wolfgravestone is good for Itto if you don't have other alternative options, it gives alot of atk... ATK on Itto is not a lost stat, its just less valuable. DEF give him scaling, dmg and durability. Try use bennet in Itto teams? His ATK buff gives Itto huge amount of ATK = dmg aswell.. WGS is simillar. Probably behind Serpent spine, but a good stat stick. Refinements are great aswell. WGS on Eula is ok by anymeans but she is ment for one-shot so probably any physical can outperform it.
My raiden has the same burst damage (79k without any buffs) between skyward spine and r5 catch so i usually just equip raiden with spine so that her E would crit more often making more dmg while catch is equipped on xiangling. At first i was wierded out cuz i thought that the catch would do more dmg because of the 32% burst dmg but then soon found out that it's technically just the same lol
Navia is coming to save WGS. Also, Lost Prayer is better for on-fielder/main DPS (ex. Wriothesley) and Skyward Atlas is better for off-fielder/sub DPS (ex. Yae)
Nah, she's won't save it. You'll use Unforged over it, and if you want Navia to have higher attack, an R5 Fontaine crafted claymore will probably be the better route to go, unless you forgo healers on the team.
The skyward weapons are fantastic when you think about covering all of a character’s bases. Blade is perfect for Bennett and physical builds (sometimes better than Aquila), Pride is perfect for Eula and Beidou, Spine is perfect for Shenhe. Harp is in a weird spot because it’s not amazing on anyone, but it’s a great generalist weapon. Not sure what Atlas is good for tbh.
i recently got atlas and its an insane stat stick on anyone who needs atk (ningguang, wanderer, yae miko, etc). It makes crit value a bit lower on your builds but its very good if you play a team without many external atk buffs!
@@Reclusive_ with atlas you can change your timepiece to any other stat than atk% so yeah like yae miko you can just put em timepiece on her because atlas gives tons of atk%
My man literally want "No, but this shitty 5 star, if you imagine this hipoteticall scenario that im inventing and wouldnt realistic happen, and if it did this weapon still wont be a good option, is a good option"
Bennett is better with Skyward ngl, you can risk like 80 atk buff for that massive ER boost is insane, specially as the only buff that you could call worth is the 25% atk and the 4% crit rate, so as Bennett is not a dps he won't take advantage of the first one a lot. Also, physical damage is meaningless specially if you get him C6 (considering he is not even the best for Eula teams, who is the only viable physical damage dealer in the current state of the game without stupid set ups or expensive builds, there is no real drawback to it).
It is funny talk about it, I have r2 ammos and I just made it R2 brcause there is literally no char that I was going to build besided ganyu that is going to use it, and no, I will never summon for another charged attack archer.
I got amos on standard and 18 pulls later i got skyward harp.l on standard banner also. My luck is so random now my yelan ganyu tignari can do meme buulds and stamdard builds. I might pull for guture archer dps soon. So far i have 3 bows 5 star
I have an r2 Skyward Pride that I got early in the game. Kinda regret refining it now since I have Freminet now and I’ve had it on Beidou for years Now I just want Wolf’s Gravestone (I have unforged but I like wgs design more), Aquila for Bennett and skyward harp. Atlas is meh and I already have 2 lpsw (1 r1 and 1 r2). Skyward Blade is meh as well, fav exists. And I already have skyward spine which is waiting for Raiden. And I don’t think I need a 3rd jade spear. Amos.. I have Hunter’s path.
I mean i get the healer bennet build if he is used in a Furina team but like wouldnt noblesse be better to buff Xiangling and Xingqui? And just go hp er healing bonus?
at least this is one of rare tierlists that seems fair. Zy0x didn't just blatantly put weapons on tiers just because he think so. He discussed the placement with chat and with new arguments keep changing it until everything got settled down. Some cc's making tierlists should learn from that.
@@dominustempus8969 i kinda fall short if i use aquilla on him even with ER sands and kazuha has r5 xiphos. I want something like a xinqiu experience where he just gets the energy he needs off the bat. That 60 something base attack will not make much difference when it comes to snapshotting with xiangling. If i want to make him main DPS I slap mistplitter though, but if I use him as a support I put skyward on him as my rotations take precedence over individual damage.
Literally run Bennett with Aquila and just focus on er stats, it’s so easy to run him on er. Aquila is amazing on him and skyward is just grief if you somehow can’t roll a “bad stat”
@@rodneycasilac4603 The additional base attack doesn't just affect his personal damage. It also affects xiangling and your other team with noticeable difference
17 minutes of yapping just to be wrong TRUE
I use lost prayers on my wanderer and it’s amazing. He’s probably the best user of it
alternatively, i use skyward atlas on wanderer. its doing fine for him so far but i may be running a bit too much attack on him (2.3k without buffs)
@@ryanchong43722.3k is perfectly fine. artif, faru, and possibly furina as dmg% sources would accentuate your atk even post ben buffs. dont worry you dont have "too much"
@@ryanchong4372no such thing as too much atk until you get wayyy more. 2.3k is a really good amount.
Wriothesley is also really good with Lost Prayer
Ballad of the Boundless Blue gang rise up😭
Its kinda odd how the fontaine craftables kinda got talked down at reveal but now are like F2P BiS on multiple units. Like Song of Stillness is Fischl's best weapon outside reaction teams and beats stringless at early refines.
The crafted claymore at R5 is crazy as well, for an atk stat stick. Super easy to meet its condition, especially with Furina in the mix leading to more healers being used. Which makes the atk% 5 star claymores less appealing, though WGS does still have its team buffing factor.
people dont talk about Fontaine craftables for some reason, still they can really add a lot for f2p players. I used to have Kaeya (freeze) with Isshin but now I'm using R3 Finale of the Deep and it gives SO MUCH stats and your only requirement is having a healer on the team. I myself use Jean and works perfectly. I'm so happy for the upgrade, can't wait to get another sword billet to make it R4.
"ourside reaction teams" and "beats stringless at early refines" still doesn't sound amazing imma be honest
Truly the greatest zyox channel of all time
Bennett needs so much ER, Skyward Blade feels a lot better than Aquila.
As for Skyward Spine, it's fantastic for Shenhe. She needs the highest possible Attack and ER. It benefits her buff far more than Fav.
agree, aquila is just cope and not worth it compared to the extra comfort blade provides for the price of like 65 base atk, with aquila you need a lot of ER subststats which can be hard to find if youre on instructor and I would generally recommend it over aquila to any new(er) player that has both options.
For shenhe this is true but then you wont be running fav
@@dogo523 most shenhes do not have 50+ crit rate to support fav and even then its not consistent and barely worth it to go for crit rate subs when you could get more atk% and ER instead. and dont cope with your 20crit rate shenhe that procs fav once per region
Good to know, I have Skyward Spine for future Shenhe.
@@TheColdestplay I use Aquila since day 1 with Bennet and I never had ER issues, I just slapped every Nobblese ER thing I have and problem solve, since Bennet's ult doesn't scale with Artifact's atk
Wolf's Gravestone is trash tier because I still haven't got a single one to drop after all these years 😭
The thing about aquila is that sapwood exists which still has really high base atk but an actually good stat for Bennett + an actually good passive IF you are in a dendro team
Aquila really just sucks, the only thing it does for Bennett is the High Base Atk, everything else is completely useless.
As soon as you play with Dendro on the team, Sapwood is better and for ER hungry teams, Skyward Blade is also better.
Who use bennett on dendro team
Aquila: Bennett/physical Keqing
Harp:Stats stick and best for Sara buff, and good in general for bow users
Spine: second option for Shenhe?
Amos:Ganyu
Wolfs: good in general, but not specific or specialised enough.
Others: more likely stats stick
askers: none
@@MarmotLord182I asked
if anyone is playing physical keqing in 2023, they're entitled to financial compensation and free therapy
Aint no way anyones using Physical Keqing when Yaoyao/Keqing/Fischl/Sucrose exists
As a physical Keqing player, Blade > Aquila, Blade’s passive with an atk circlet does more damage due to how the passive works with autos.
Used to use skyward spine on Raiden before I turned her into a hyperbloom trigger. It's a decent weapon.
That's just skyward in general. It has good enough stats, and a nice dose of ER, so handy for plenty of off-fielders. So if the rest of your team doesn't need Fav for energy, well, you might as well kill things faster, so that you don't need to always be relying on favs for energy ;)
I used Skyward Pride in my Eula, and it was very good, the Er made me focus on crit and atk more. Which helps
It also looks good on her
Also the passive benefits to physical dps. Its just overall dmg boost even if the final explosion is weak. The physical vacuum blades plus 100 burst uptime puts her dmg on top.
Why not the craftable from Dragonspine , it gives Phy dmg bonus
@@thor9142it is not that great on her, while skyward can be her in her top 3 if you don't have enough er in artifacts
@alfredbarretto its looks turbo dog, nothing compares to SoBP COPEEE HARDERR NOOB EULA MAIN
Skyward spine is pretty good on raiden. I use it on her since the catch is on xiangling, and it does respectable damage imo
Diminishing returns, with Skyward my Wanderer has literally 5000 ATK after all the buffs and he hits around 40-42k normals but Lost Prayer would let him reach 50k
As an old genshin player I genuinely didn't know that AMOS is in standard
l take skyward spine is so underrated and good. bunch of stats even crit stat stick to some little degree. it does everything youd need and helps you tune out small missing stats in your build.
I don’t know if it’s a hot take, but I’d rather run skyward than Aquilla on Bennett. I’d rather have a lower buff with a ton of ER
Not a hot take, it's actually better than Aquilla for Bennet imo.
It's easy to have a ton of ER substats on your artifs no?
@@kanyeeast7287 Nothing about getting what you want on an artifact is easy.
Blade is better on Bennett than Favonia
Skyward blade is straight up better for Bennett than aquila , its gives so much ER , giving that much ER allow you to use instructor on Bennett which is a huge DPS buff
I've got my 3rd amos from the standard banner recently. I wanted to cry
(all are from standard)
I do have ganyu but as a welkin-only player I don't want to refine it
Wow!!! You got an Amos for all 3 Charged bow users!!!
@@MrcreeperDXD777 but I don't have Tighnari nor Lyney 😭 only Ganyu
Me who's only pulled Amos and two Skyward blades:
This might be the best Twitch-Zyox I've seen ever since Genshin was a thing.
I prefer RUclips-Zyox over Twitch-Zyox most nights on the internet, but this might be the closest we ever got to RUclips-Zyox on Twitch
Lost players in the best weapon when you play in coop
i got amos bow this week on the standard and i have no idea if its better than literally any other option for any character that isn't ganyu
lyney can use it
It’s also good on Lyney and Tighnari if you don’t have their signature
I was lucky to pull Amos Bow after i got Ganyu
Amber signature weapon
Lyney I guess and tighnari even if it's not that great for him
lost prayer would be A - S tier if you swap out the stacks would linger for some time and would restack itself when you on field them again
I spent an insane amount of time looking at kqm weapon rankings just to argue that LPSW --> Atlas only to realize that he changes his mind at the very end. Om
I was confused when he said atlas is better than lost prayer, it feels like he's coping or something
@@caknores7897 I mean he does have 3 atlas’s and no lost prayers so him coping makes sense
"Aquila would be good if we had a physical dps sword user"
Are we just gonna ignore the GOAT phys dps Qiqi?
My first 5* weapon as a f2p was WGS and its good on beidou and diluc, and I hope(suske) it will be good on navia 🗿🗿.
I wonder if Inazuma's craftable great sword would be good on Navia. It has ER substat, gives additional flat energy for her ult and some damage bonus for her skill (which is main source of Navia's damage).
Aquilla won’t come home because it knows I want to give it to Jean
Skyward Pride is truely usable by Eula:
Since it increase damage by % and effect is physical.
Downside is that you still lack crit stat, physical boost and are required to open with burst to activate the secondary effect.
Itto benifit from it by having 8% more damage. The blade effect is not boosted since you are not building physical, but his high attack speed and burst opening can compensate.
Wolfgravestone is good for Itto if you don't have other alternative options, it gives alot of atk... ATK on Itto is not a lost stat, its just less valuable. DEF give him scaling, dmg and durability.
Try use bennet in Itto teams? His ATK buff gives Itto huge amount of ATK = dmg aswell.. WGS is simillar. Probably behind Serpent spine, but a good stat stick. Refinements are great aswell.
WGS on Eula is ok by anymeans but she is ment for one-shot so probably any physical can outperform it.
My raiden has the same burst damage (79k without any buffs) between skyward spine and r5 catch so i usually just equip raiden with spine so that her E would crit more often making more dmg while catch is equipped on xiangling. At first i was wierded out cuz i thought that the catch would do more dmg because of the 32% burst dmg but then soon found out that it's technically just the same lol
Me watching this while only getting amos bow 5 times from standard banner and nothing else ._.
Navia is coming to save WGS. Also, Lost Prayer is better for on-fielder/main DPS (ex. Wriothesley) and Skyward Atlas is better for off-fielder/sub DPS (ex. Yae)
Nah, she's won't save it. You'll use Unforged over it, and if you want Navia to have higher attack, an R5 Fontaine crafted claymore will probably be the better route to go, unless you forgo healers on the team.
The skyward weapons are fantastic when you think about covering all of a character’s bases. Blade is perfect for Bennett and physical builds (sometimes better than Aquila), Pride is perfect for Eula and Beidou, Spine is perfect for Shenhe. Harp is in a weird spot because it’s not amazing on anyone, but it’s a great generalist weapon. Not sure what Atlas is good for tbh.
i recently got atlas and its an insane stat stick on anyone who needs atk (ningguang, wanderer, yae miko, etc). It makes crit value a bit lower on your builds but its very good if you play a team without many external atk buffs!
@@Reclusive_ with atlas you can change your timepiece to any other stat than atk% so yeah like yae miko you can just put em timepiece on her because atlas gives tons of atk%
Skyward Pride is justified by solo geo navia lol😂
My man literally want "No, but this shitty 5 star, if you imagine this hipoteticall scenario that im inventing and wouldnt realistic happen, and if it did this weapon still wont be a good option, is a good option"
What scenario did he mention that feels unrealistic to you?
Yeah harp crit rate with plus 20 crit damage what else we want
Plus highest attack for Sara xD
Actually a sane Zyox clip love it!!!
Bennett is better with Skyward ngl, you can risk like 80 atk buff for that massive ER boost is insane, specially as the only buff that you could call worth is the 25% atk and the 4% crit rate, so as Bennett is not a dps he won't take advantage of the first one a lot. Also, physical damage is meaningless specially if you get him C6 (considering he is not even the best for Eula teams, who is the only viable physical damage dealer in the current state of the game without stupid set ups or expensive builds, there is no real drawback to it).
I keep getting wolf's gravestone I have r5 of it. But I don't have any other standard banner weapons
Of course, I get every Skyward weapon except the bow and sword 😊
i got three skyward weapons in the span of 40 wishes and haven't leveled any of them except harp but man... what kind of luck is that lmao
Yeah bro Lost Prayer is great until you have r5 lost prayer and almost any dps 5 star catalyst.
I still want a Skyward Harp...
We all know PJWS is better than r6 Homa, it is the tallest spear after all
literally just got skyward pride but idk man i already have gravestone and i have blackcliff on beidou
He is so normal
skyward spine xiao players rise up 🥲
bro just buy blackcliff 😭😭
@@Im_NotSure sorry bucko, blackcliff is for dongli and my xiao is using dad's spear (vortex)
It is funny talk about it, I have r2 ammos and I just made it R2 brcause there is literally no char that I was going to build besided ganyu that is going to use it, and no, I will never summon for another charged attack archer.
First tall, now sane... I'm starting not belive these claims.
I have got like 3 Jade Spears from Standard and i don't have a Xiao 🥲🥲
I got amos on standard and 18 pulls later i got skyward harp.l on standard banner also. My luck is so random now my yelan ganyu tignari can do meme buulds and stamdard builds. I might pull for guture archer dps soon. So far i have 3 bows 5 star
Why is skyward spine high in the tierlist, it should be deleted
I have R4 Wolf's Gravestone 😂
I have an r2 Skyward Pride that I got early in the game. Kinda regret refining it now since I have Freminet now and I’ve had it on Beidou for years
Now I just want Wolf’s Gravestone (I have unforged but I like wgs design more), Aquila for Bennett and skyward harp.
Atlas is meh and I already have 2 lpsw (1 r1 and 1 r2). Skyward Blade is meh as well, fav exists. And I already have skyward spine which is waiting for Raiden.
And I don’t think I need a 3rd jade spear.
Amos.. I have Hunter’s path.
I mean i get the healer bennet build if he is used in a Furina team but like wouldnt noblesse be better to buff Xiangling and Xingqui? And just go hp er healing bonus?
harp is the best imo, followed by either wgs or pjws
and i dont have harp yet, have r3 pjws and r2 wgs lmao
I got 2 Aquilas lmfao 😭 I just want harp/ either catalysts
Lost prayers will only be better than Skyward on On-field DPS that don't scale with attack (like Neuvi).
is the additional base atk from aquila worth it over just using sapwood blade which has a decent base atk and er?
Yes, because Bennett basically only cares about Base Atk and ER.
You can get more ER in your artifacts, but Base Atk is exclusive to weapons.
WHAT is bro YAPPING about
Truly a terrible tier list by my 3rd fav genshin enjoyer
chills
this is the most adhd tier list I have ever seen. Weapons change tiers as if they are a rollercoaster.
at least this is one of rare tierlists that seems fair. Zy0x didn't just blatantly put weapons on tiers just because he think so. He discussed the placement with chat and with new arguments keep changing it until everything got settled down. Some cc's making tierlists should learn from that.
most non crit weapo is trash
aquilla is bad let's face it skyward blade is so much better for bennet than aquilla.
I don't know my bennet gets enough energy even though he's running aquila. I like the bigger base atk more.
@@dominustempus8969 i kinda fall short if i use aquilla on him even with ER sands and kazuha has r5 xiphos. I want something like a xinqiu experience where he just gets the energy he needs off the bat. That 60 something base attack will not make much difference when it comes to snapshotting with xiangling. If i want to make him main DPS I slap mistplitter though, but if I use him as a support I put skyward on him as my rotations take precedence over individual damage.
Literally run Bennett with Aquila and just focus on er stats, it’s so easy to run him on er. Aquila is amazing on him and skyward is just grief if you somehow can’t roll a “bad stat”
@@rodneycasilac4603 The additional base attack doesn't just affect his personal damage. It also affects xiangling and your other team with noticeable difference