Oliver Beard was bothered that I didn't show his merge request adding mouse button eavesdropping to Xwayland, so here is your mention instead lol In case the "lol" wasn't obvious this was a joke
Oh man that chromium bug was a bastard. Yet as far as I can tell, that problem might have gotten fixed by google before Kde did. Can't confirm this, but Yeah, the chrome bug has been a nuisance for at least a month. This was after the whole debacle of having the ozone flag set to wayland caused the browser content to not render.
@@onred_ There is an extension that is promising: Polonium I used it most of the time since Plasma 6, as without tiling any desktop is almost unusable. However, its not perfect and development is a bit slow. So I decided to remove it finally. Right now I'm doing manual tiling when needed, but its a pain without a true auto tiler (coming from Qtile!). Meta+Left will tile to left side. If you do a quick Meta+Left,Meta+Down, then its tiled to the left bottom corner. Any window tiled like this side by side or vertically are connected and resizing will change size of all windows that are connected. This is a much quicker approach than the whatever this layout system of KDE is, where we have to grab and move with mouse cursor to tile windows. There is also a possibility to replace Kwin with a real tiling window manager. But I did not explore this in KDE 6 yet, only years back in KDE 5, when things worked differently. Just throwing this out if you want lookup.
@@onred_ i thinking about to try it but the most times i unistalled it after some days/hours - but i havent tried version 6. what wrong that made you think to go back tiling wms?
It's not autotiling. I'm so used to autotiling, its hard to use the computer without. But at least Meta+Left and quickly followed by Meta+Up will tile the window manually on the left upper. Any other tiled window to left bottom and the right sides will act together, when resizing a single window. So in that sense its tiling, but only for manually tiled windows. Then they will snap into. I'm not talking about the tiling manager! This is an entirely different concept in KDE. The new tiling manager is not useful at all, I'm speaking about the other tiling concept described above. Man, the entire tiling systems (yes plural) needs a total overhaul.
@@zebobm lollll Now if only Gnome would add some more libinput mouse scroll speed stuff and merge a lot of the extensions back into the regular appearance settings it could start being good again out of the box without needing Dock/Appindicators/Desktop icons extensions and a lot of Gnome Tweaks. I mean, suspend when laptop lid is closed... WHY IS THIS NOT IN THE DEFAULT SETTINGS!? Same goes for Clock/Calendar appearance, why wouldn't you put this in the default settings? Such basic customization stuff.
Horizontal/Vertical split naming always seemed reversed to me. Glad to see Top/Bottom and Left/Right instead. Never was a dealbreaker, but a nice touch from the KDE team
This tends to be inconsistent across apps as some refer to the orientation of the splitter while other refer to the orientation of the window layout. The new labels resolve this ambiguity while remaining concise.
i hard disagree on the new shutdown screen. i like being able to do shutdown, restart, log out, hibernate/suspend all from my laptop's shutdown button. what's the point of having the full screen confirmation for shutdown then?? why not just skip the UI confirmation and simply shutdown if they want to dumb it down??
i have a single button on my task bar wich is shutdown by default but i use it to log out and switch users aswell, takes up less space and i dont need to hunt for the right icon. mabe they should just add an all in one button
I hate it with passion, combined with the lock/logout applet creating multiple icons when you select multiple options without giving the option to make it a pulldown menu. Terrible. But what i really don't get it is why there is no options for it specially since they changed it. In (most) games it's pretty common knowledge to never take away anything from the players as this will generate a lot of heat, but obsolete it in other ways so people will stop using it by themselves. Not only this but to just remove without giving the option tbh is very worrisome going forward. This is what made me stop and never revisiting gnome years ago, please KDE don't do the same...
@@dyna. Indeed, as KDE is known for its flexibility - changing it for new profiles but keeping it the same for existing ones (with the option to toggle it in settings) just makes a lot more sense. Constantly changing how things work is what makes Windows a chore to use.
Been using KDE 6.0.3 on my machines since it came to Fedora and it's already been a MUCH better experience than KDE 5. Definitely looking forward to further improvements with 6.1!
it provides explicit sync for masses, it's huge difference. I can play every game on wayland using 555 beta drivers and explicit sync and everything works great.
Man this is a big update! So many nice QoL changes & little things to make the experience just that much better. Can't wait to get this update :) Awesome video as always, Brodie.
Anyone else remember that the original desktop cube supported 3 sided prisms? It also supported using the desktops while triggered. You could even trigger configure the mode to work with with a single desktop, which has the side effect of making Gnome 2.6 into a HUD over a completely composite desktop.
These changes are honestly great! I love this upward direction the desktop is going towards, so I'm looking forward to 6.1! I wonder if they'll tackle making the audio bar more customizable in the future since I've seen that get brought a while ago
Virtual Cube * I wish each desktop would be represented in inverted version on its backside. This would allow for 2 or even 1 desktop only, to use the cube. Just rotate the single layer to see its back. * Secondly, I would love to see each window layer on the cube to have depth. I think GNOME does that, and it looks awesome.
@@Sitwayen So you mean error messages should be automatically converted into notification? I'm not sure if this is a good idea. Most people would not know its a "serious" error then. As having a modal window popup is the standard behavior basically on all operating systems. It will get your attention and you have to react to it, click it away in example and possibly even read it. I'm not saying this can't be an option for people who want it, but I am saying it wouldn't be a good idea to turn error messages in notifications.
The thing I really wait the most for is their announcement to look into InputLeap compatibility with Wayland. The repo for it also already saw updates. It's a Wayland compatible continuation of Barrier which is a fork of Synergy. I am certain I mentioned this tool a million times by now under your videos, under Nick's (The Linux Experiment) and still a bunch more channels but to me, having a software based KM to use my keyboard and mouse with my ThinkPad or another desktop makes more sense than to have even more cables and adapters wasting space on my desk.
mmb and drag&dropping links into the tabs is how I browse the internet nowadays. I hate when this doesn't work because of weird website scripts or whatnot. Touchpads having triple tap as mmb nowadays is amazing too. I can agree on an additional barrier to deleting an entire desktop or such though.
F40 KDE noob here. I use mouse buttons for audio mute/unmute, and print screen. Zoom I think still uses X11 (it scales tiny compared to everything else), mouse buttons for multimedia controls will be useful there! :)
Middle button to close is fine, basically everything that has tabs (starting from the browsers) behaves like that, so to me it's expected. Personally, I prefer the middle mouse click instead of trying to aim for the X in the corner, I always use it with tabs in blowers/explorer/IDEs. If they are going to remove it, hopefully they keep a setting that allows it to be reenabled
Using Fedora 40 KDE spin and I am excited for Plasma 6.1. I use KDE on my bedroom tv PC and I use Gnome on my office pc and enjoy both. KDE does have significant bugs and confusing menus though.
Ooh, impressive! I look forward to when this comes out. The one thing I wish it didn't include, though, was the shutdown, etc. confirmation prompt only mentioning the thing you clicked. Occasionally I'll misclick an option in the launcher and hit the adjacent one, or decide right after I click an option I'd rather do something else (like I'd rather Shut Down after I click Restart), so having all the buttons in the confirmation screen lets me make that correction with just one click. Extremely situational, but still much appreciated, and I'll miss it when it's gone.
I am 100% KDE Plasma user, and this desktop is the reason why I am on Linux! For me, there is no better choice when talking Desktop at all. Base system is CachyOS, since it's so optimized for all the hardware I have, I get max out of it for free :)
I don't have flickering visible on-screen, but when recording the entire screen in OBS Minecraft Java starts blackout-flickering at the top in the recording. When recording the (fullscreen!) Minecraft window specifically that doesn't happen. I hope that the explicit sync support will allow me to just record my desktop and not have a black bar flickering in and out of the screen all the time in the recording.
I really like where KDE is going rn especially as a linux gamer. They seem to be the only DE that supports the latest features (relevant to gaming) ASAP. Maybe cosmic de will bring another serious option for linux gaming eventually too!
For anyone who don't see the icons: ①=a) and ②=b) Lol I just realized this explanation makes no sense, for people who don't see the icons. Using them here won't make them visible.
@@HalianTheProtogen Almost. I would say they are 1) and 2), at least the way I am using them middle in the sentence. Noted as (1) and (2) would mean to me its a reference and not a listing. And somewhere below or another place the reference is referenced back and explained.
@@thingsiplay Can't agree. I'm used to seeing them in laws and technical documents, where the opening parenthesis isn't omitted. As for references, their place can be backfilled with superscript numbers.
@@HalianTheProtogen I'm not sure what exactly you are referring to with " seeing them". If you mean this "①", then I just wrote the alternative for people who don't have a font that displays these correctly. I'm not sure, is this even a problem? The reference thing with superscript numbers is exactly what I was talking about. "(1)" is just a way of notation in case you cannot use superscript, like in text files with characters that don't support this.
KDE devs don't like adding configuration options (as is mentioned several times in this video) because 1) there are already too many; 2) the fear that they will become "bit rotten". I think KDE could use a Windows Registry / about:config / Gnome Tweak style "expert" configuration UI, but that seems not happening.
I hope that on KDE6.1 the crash is fixed that constantly occurs for me when I attach a second screen. On 5.27 when I add my second 1080p screen plasmashell crashes, taking all Qt apps with it. Gtk apps don't seem affected, so Firefox just loses focus but doesn't crash. LibreOffice and my Qt-based GUI for 7-zip that I'm currently working on do disappear when that happens.
Triple-buffered vsync introduces extra input latency. Basically, on 60 Hz, if you used to see your inputs take effect on screen after 16.7 ms on average, now it's gonna be 33.3 ms, and for some people that change can be noticeably jarring.
2:58 You might want to ask the user if attempting to restore the session makes sense, since relaunching the same apps can lead to a crash loop. All I see in terms of disabling this logic is a check of `loginMode` in `kmserverrc`, which appears to be set to `restorePreviousLogout` by default. A default opt-in approach to this would be a prompt that auto confirms after a certain time. But giving the affordance of restoring the session through some non-blocking prompt seems like the perfect middle ground to me.
I actually like having the "refresh desktop" option in the context menu because it reminds me that I can do that. if it's not there, I think that there's no option to refresh the desktop. and with my autism, I sometimes feel like pressing it just to make sure things are working.
The biggest changes I appreciate are the mouse fix for video games, the night color fix, explicit sync, and the chrome crash on drag and drop because I have been personally affected by all of that. Speaking of drag and drop, I really, REALLY would one day love to be able to drag and drop images and video files from both desktop and dolphin file browser into steam chat like I can on windows and discord on linux. I assume KDE and Valve are working together closely enough thanks to steam deck that this isn't a pipe dream.
This is making me consider jumping from Gnome to KDE. I won't be able to until Ubuntu includes the "good Wayland support for Nvidia cards" though, and I'm able to get back to my main rig to add all the missed updates due to a move.
Lovely changes, with the exception of the desktop refresh on the context menu, maybe have an option for some people so they can enable it there? (does it exist already and i am not aware of this?) Give them 2-3 years and KDE Plasma and Wayland's gonna kick ass so hard.
if the desktop cube let you select a different monitor in realtime that would be amazing, it currently only works on the currently active one, i see the cube on all 3 monitors but can only use the one on the current screen that the cube was launched from.
RGB as a synonym to LED backlighting of peripherals and not as a colour space reference was jarring. But then I'm in the "Computers should work in the background, their purpose is literally to in as little degree as possible be noticed" camp and would not buy a LED lighted version of something unless the LED light is actually functional, not purely decorative.
6.0 was mostly backend things. And unless they would've wanted a repeat of the kde 4 disaster of a launch it was better to first do the backend and have that work nicely before doing the feature work
I'm a KDE Plasma user because it's what came on the Steam Deck so when I swapped to Linux (arch btw as my first distro), I just went to KDE Plasma because it was familiar to a former windows uer and a steam deck owner lol.
I never thought about this before, but you know how some programs let you set a date using a pop-up visual calendar? What if you could set time using a pop-up analog clock where you can just drag the hands? The hour hand would snap to 30-degree increments based on the current position, obviously, and dragging it around past 12 o'clock would swap between AM and PM.
Desktop pager does not adapt for moving the panel from horizontal to vertical ... you have to manually change it from 1x4 to 4x1 configuration :-) Also I have broken a few things right after trying to do a few sensible customizations on Plasma 6.0. Other than that, I am quite happy with Plasma 6 on Fedora atm. The task bar/panel is still terrible, but I try not to use it too much ...
3:41 if you have some buttons on the side of your mouse, they are registered as "mouse clicks" (as buttons MOUSE4 and MOUSE5) and for example I personally have one of these side buttons mapped to Discord PTT (push-to-talk). So it's a good thing for me (that was one of the things I was afraid of switching to Wayland on my desktop)
Sounds like lots of good things are happening in the Plasma camp! Honestly, I have been mostly happy with Plasma for quite some time. It just keeps getting better!
@@Nik.leonard After having a ton of issues on the KDE side I was honestly surprised when I tested the native RDP server integrated in Gnome on Wayland and it worked perfectly out of the box.
I'm a plasma user and I was waiting for some bugs fixes (I sometimes wait instead of installing on release day). I'm gonna wait for 6.1 to come out before installing.
I recently dug out an old laptop and thought "I should try KDE (again)" because I like the style. So I made a USB of Plasma Neon and got stuck in a loop early in the install. Ubuntu with KDE? A different loop in the install. Finally, Kinoite worked. I am not technical. Maybe I was doing something wrong. But two out of three fails when just trying to do a bog standard install, no circus tricks, on an old Thinkpad, looks pretty bug-prone. I do hope 6.1 is better, because I will try it again.
Currently using the beta. Occassionally still some more incosistencies than X11, but by far less and definitely no complete out of order frames anymore. (nvidia 555). OpenGL Applications seemed to have some performance regression, but with the last update at least the minima got better. Excited what the non beta will bring in improvements. At least with this wayland becomes a viable option with nvidia.
Oddly enough I found 6.0 to be way more stable than 5.2x but I use a LOT of screens with different sizes, so for the most part just about any Linux DE gives me grief at some level. But 6.0 seemed to "just work" for me as far as accurate scaling and handling multiple screen sizes. Making this even better is a big "f*** yes!!" for me
As someone trying to move over to Linux, I cannot wait until I can customize mouse clicks on my Wacom pen under Wayland. I see the bug report on KDE bugs but who knows when that would get fixed D:
I like the idea, but I don't like the look of that giant cursor. Something like a target circle that zeroes in on the cursor location would be more aesthetically pleasing.
Debian 13 will be the one that comes with XWayland 24.1 that supports Explicit Sync, Probably a Plasma > 6.1 that we know about explicit sync, and till there nvidia will probably release driver 560 or 565, debian 13 will only come in 2025, if i could i would use TuxedoOS, if does all this now, i will install very soon, or maybe wait till ubuntu 24.04 becomes more supported by the package mantainers, since lots of programs are made still for 22.04.
Lol if 6.2 arrives before the Debian freeze. It'll be the best DE experience ever for Debian users. There are like 2 or 3 major features that will land in 6.2. From there on nothing major will be missing in KDE
Mouse button events is something I use with xfwm4. Specifically for zoom-I have super-= and super-- bound to send scroll wheel events. Super is my WM key, so it acts as though I was zooming in and out. Presumably kwin let's me bind keys to do that but xfwm4, wayfire, and labwc do not. This means so control is a two-handed affair on these without something like xdotool. This is my major Wayland blocker. There's an issue or two around font scaling but the zoom is the first problem to solve.
I need a tiling window manager which I can assign to an arbitrarily defined rectangular region somewhere within the scope of my collection of monitors. In other words, I just want a tiling gizmo which works within the scope of a given window.
The only time I Refresh Desktop in KDE is when I’m running nVidia 535 and the machine is coming out of sleep due to graphic corruption. Then I curse as not everything refreshes properly, log out, and log back in and Wayland is fully reset and fine again. (Debian Testing/Trixie)
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Hey, modifier only shortcuts are great for former Windows user used to switch keyboard layouts with Alt+Shift. I wish Gnome would have that
10:00 Drag an drop This drag and drop problem is not limited to Chrome. I experienced it in Dolphin filebrowser as well. And saw that many had drag and drop problems in different places in Dolphin. Seems like a general problem with drag and drop in KDE, but they seem to have fixed those after all those reports.
I think the chrome one is a different bug from the dolphin one. The dolphin one was fixed last month. Or at least it stopped happening for me after updating it then.
@@KarlofDuty_ It might be just a coincident. You are probably right, because Chrome is not a KDE application (dependencies, libraries, configurations and so on).
Re: that keyboard sync thing, what I'm wondering is whether it's using the accent color AFTER applying night light adjustments... because, while my hand-me-down Ideapad's keyboard isn't RGB, it is very noticeable when the screen is yellowed by the key backlight is still actinic white. (My desktop keyboards have no backlights because they're either the cheapest Cherry MX Blue board I could buy as my first mechanical keyboard as an adult, or from companies like Unicomp and Matias whose niches are small enough that they can sell based on choice of keyswitch alone.)
Plasma 6.1 on Armbian and Plasma 6.0 on Fedora 40 Asahi, happy with them so far, though that transition on Armbian I somehow uninstalled Plasma completely, I usually am pretty good at watching the upgrades for software removal. Scratching my head for a while why SDDM was exiting with unknown values hahaha.
Since I use Arch using plasma and wayland, no issues, I used to have a weird mouse issue with wayland but it seems to already be working right now, character don't spin at 700FPS anymore when right clicking and holding mouse button.
MacOS got mouse cursor auto-hiding a while ago. It can't be disabled and hides the cursor instantly when typing. I absolutely hate it, thankfully KDE will give us choice.
I'm a plasma user with KDE neon distro, so getting it ASAP as it's stable release (long term KDE user, since KDE3.5). And I don't like some of these changes (for example I prefer time input box taking single string like "930" and parsing it as 9:30, still fastest way to enter full time and I got used to have option to switch from shutdown to anything else, so when I could keep only one icon in "start menu" and do all actions by it, etc... welp, whatever, I guess I could adjust to new stuff, or moan in KDE bugs if it will hit me too hard)
I've seen programs do it where you type in the first box, and it automatically carries over to the second box, so you can still just type the whole time, but also have the separate boxes.
Oliver Beard was bothered that I didn't show his merge request adding mouse button eavesdropping to Xwayland, so here is your mention instead lol
In case the "lol" wasn't obvious this was a joke
Oh oliver
Oh man that chromium bug was a bastard. Yet as far as I can tell, that problem might have gotten fixed by google before Kde did. Can't confirm this, but Yeah, the chrome bug has been a nuisance for at least a month. This was after the whole debacle of having the ozone flag set to wayland caused the browser content to not render.
I wasn't that bothered! LOL
bother
You stuck with Plasma far longer than I thought you would.
No kidding. I’ve been using it since 6, but I’m starting to get sick of it. I need my tiling window manager back
@@onred_ There is an extension that is promising: Polonium
I used it most of the time since Plasma 6, as without tiling any desktop is almost unusable. However, its not perfect and development is a bit slow. So I decided to remove it finally.
Right now I'm doing manual tiling when needed, but its a pain without a true auto tiler (coming from Qtile!). Meta+Left will tile to left side. If you do a quick Meta+Left,Meta+Down, then its tiled to the left bottom corner. Any window tiled like this side by side or vertically are connected and resizing will change size of all windows that are connected. This is a much quicker approach than the whatever this layout system of KDE is, where we have to grab and move with mouse cursor to tile windows.
There is also a possibility to replace Kwin with a real tiling window manager. But I did not explore this in KDE 6 yet, only years back in KDE 5, when things worked differently. Just throwing this out if you want lookup.
@@onred_ It's kind of sad that they've barely even attempted basic tiling
@@onred_ i thinking about to try it but the most times i unistalled it after some days/hours - but i havent tried version 6. what wrong that made you think to go back tiling wms?
@@onred_ TWM with KDE apps seems a good idea.
Brodie "this-is-not-tiling" Robertson
apple just came out with window tiling for macos and it’s also not tiling 😆
It's not autotiling. I'm so used to autotiling, its hard to use the computer without. But at least Meta+Left and quickly followed by Meta+Up will tile the window manually on the left upper. Any other tiled window to left bottom and the right sides will act together, when resizing a single window.
So in that sense its tiling, but only for manually tiled windows. Then they will snap into. I'm not talking about the tiling manager! This is an entirely different concept in KDE. The new tiling manager is not useful at all, I'm speaking about the other tiling concept described above. Man, the entire tiling systems (yes plural) needs a total overhaul.
Bro wrote 2 entire paragraphs 🤣
@@ransan Most people won't read it anyway. :D
For the record, I'm just poking fun at Brodie. I don't care about real tiling or fake tiling because I've never used it in my life.
It's amazing how many of Plasma's dot releases come with much more features and improvements than whole Gnome versions.
This is not true, GNOME manages to break extensions each point releases.
@@zebobm lollll
Now if only Gnome would add some more libinput mouse scroll speed stuff and merge a lot of the extensions back into the regular appearance settings it could start being good again out of the box without needing Dock/Appindicators/Desktop icons extensions and a lot of Gnome Tweaks.
I mean, suspend when laptop lid is closed... WHY IS THIS NOT IN THE DEFAULT SETTINGS!? Same goes for Clock/Calendar appearance, why wouldn't you put this in the default settings? Such basic customization stuff.
it is the default? My stock GNOME always suspends when my lid closes@@frankhuurman3955
@@zebobm That is because "Extensions are gEvil".
this is why Plasma is on version 6, while Gnome is on 46
3:49 THANK YOU. PLEASE stop letting things silently fail. Call me a moron more!
Error messages are our friends.
4:02
It's funny because Linux generally has a reputation of being more verbose so I wouldn't necessarily expect silent fails to be rampant.
Depends on the error.
I went with KDE for my laptop and arch as my distro. I love that thing.
Love using my phone as a mouse and sending youtube videos from my phone.
@@CircularMirror7 It feels a little gimmicky for my use case, but I still have to admit that KDE Connect is pretty impressive
btw
Horizontal/Vertical split naming always seemed reversed to me. Glad to see Top/Bottom and Left/Right instead. Never was a dealbreaker, but a nice touch from the KDE team
I always mixed them up as well lmao
This tends to be inconsistent across apps as some refer to the orientation of the splitter while other refer to the orientation of the window layout. The new labels resolve this ambiguity while remaining concise.
I'm all in with plasma 6. I don't even care about bugs now, it's so beautiful
I tested plasma 6.1 with the Kwin patch. Even i was impressed on a whole new level. It was amazing.Looking forward to official release
Which Kwin patch?
Thank you for all the KDE-related videos... please keep them coming!
I was really weirded out the first time I tried Plasma 6.1 beta when my cursor suddenly grew 10x. Turns out this wasn't a bug at all lol
lmao true, it's funny when i'm screensharing and circulating somthing for my friends
Your cursor just had Viagra! 😂
instead of big cursor it should be a circle homing into your cursor.
But why is it so pixeladed? This effect is sharp on macOS.
Was that you in the KDE/Plamsa irc channel, who reported it? I had a great laugh at that!
i hard disagree on the new shutdown screen. i like being able to do shutdown, restart, log out, hibernate/suspend all from my laptop's shutdown button. what's the point of having the full screen confirmation for shutdown then?? why not just skip the UI confirmation and simply shutdown if they want to dumb it down??
I disagree on changing the shutdown screen, I found it extremely useful to be able to change my mind or if I mis-click.
You can still click cancel but I do get what you mean
i have a single button on my task bar wich is shutdown by default but i use it to log out and switch users aswell, takes up less space and i dont need to hunt for the right icon. mabe they should just add an all in one button
@@echelon-139yep, adding an all-in-one button as an option would be the ideal approach imo
I hate it with passion, combined with the lock/logout applet creating multiple icons when you select multiple options without giving the option to make it a pulldown menu. Terrible.
But what i really don't get it is why there is no options for it specially since they changed it. In (most) games it's pretty common knowledge to never take away anything from the players as this will generate a lot of heat, but obsolete it in other ways so people will stop using it by themselves.
Not only this but to just remove without giving the option tbh is very worrisome going forward. This is what made me stop and never revisiting gnome years ago, please KDE don't do the same...
@@dyna. Indeed, as KDE is known for its flexibility - changing it for new profiles but keeping it the same for existing ones (with the option to toggle it in settings) just makes a lot more sense.
Constantly changing how things work is what makes Windows a chore to use.
Been using KDE 6.0.3 on my machines since it came to Fedora and it's already been a MUCH better experience than KDE 5. Definitely looking forward to further improvements with 6.1!
I wouldn't say 6.1 is a huge improvement but fixing all these particular paper-cuts is very much welcome. Excellent video Brodie, thanks.
it provides explicit sync for masses, it's huge difference. I can play every game on wayland using 555 beta drivers and explicit sync and everything works great.
Man this is a big update! So many nice QoL changes & little things to make the experience just that much better. Can't wait to get this update :)
Awesome video as always, Brodie.
A bug I'm having on Plasma 6 is the contents of the notification applet are changing to incorrect and random sizes while closing many notifications.
Report it
Finally KDE starts adding info about these blank things... I sometimes thought the apps had frozen
How many features do you have?
KDE: Yes.
But Tiling
@@tranthien3932it has Kiling
Others call it 'bloat'😂
@@tranthien3932 You can always help the project to implement it! Be the change.
@@tranthien3932 Kwin has enough features for very descents 3rd-party scripts to enable tilling tho
Anyone else remember that the original desktop cube supported 3 sided prisms? It also supported using the desktops while triggered.
You could even trigger configure the mode to work with with a single desktop, which has the side effect of making Gnome 2.6 into a HUD over a completely composite desktop.
These changes are honestly great! I love this upward direction the desktop is going towards, so I'm looking forward to 6.1!
I wonder if they'll tackle making the audio bar more customizable in the future since I've seen that get brought a while ago
Middle click for closing needs to remain as option. I use it all the time
Virtual Cube
* I wish each desktop would be represented in inverted version on its backside. This would allow for 2 or even 1 desktop only, to use the cube. Just rotate the single layer to see its back.
* Secondly, I would love to see each window layer on the cube to have depth. I think GNOME does that, and it looks awesome.
Error msg in the corner as notifications would be great. I hope they are not giant windows.
@@Sitwayen So you mean error messages should be automatically converted into notification? I'm not sure if this is a good idea. Most people would not know its a "serious" error then. As having a modal window popup is the standard behavior basically on all operating systems. It will get your attention and you have to react to it, click it away in example and possibly even read it.
I'm not saying this can't be an option for people who want it, but I am saying it wouldn't be a good idea to turn error messages in notifications.
@@thingsiplay like on phones it is a small message in the corner that is then turned into a notification.
The thing I really wait the most for is their announcement to look into InputLeap compatibility with Wayland. The repo for it also already saw updates.
It's a Wayland compatible continuation of Barrier which is a fork of Synergy. I am certain I mentioned this tool a million times by now under your videos, under Nick's (The Linux Experiment) and still a bunch more channels but to me, having a software based KM to use my keyboard and mouse with my ThinkPad or another desktop makes more sense than to have even more cables and adapters wasting space on my desk.
They still haven't addressed many productivity bugs, related to the choice to use wayland.
«You‘ve lost your work but at least you have your windows back» 😂
Many apps have their own session restore. Those will still do their job.
Holy shit, shake cursor! I keep losing the damn thing whenever I step away ever since I bought a larger monitor. Do want!!
This effect is already there, i will be just enabled by default
Just got this update on Fedora 40 today, absolutely thrilled.
Casual Fubuki sitting on the background
Removing mmb remove is kinda cringe IMO, once you're used to using mmb to open and close stuff is based
And you can click anywhere on the tab/preview rather than the cross in the corner.
mmb and drag&dropping links into the tabs is how I browse the internet nowadays. I hate when this doesn't work because of weird website scripts or whatnot. Touchpads having triple tap as mmb nowadays is amazing too. I can agree on an additional barrier to deleting an entire desktop or such though.
@@Jutastre personally i could agree on a prompt to confirm, tho i honestly dont know if it should be default on or off
Wayland has been on a roll recently. reminds me of that Lenin quote, there are decades where nothing happens and there are weeks where decades happen
F40 KDE noob here. I use mouse buttons for audio mute/unmute, and print screen. Zoom I think still uses X11 (it scales tiny compared to everything else), mouse buttons for multimedia controls will be useful there! :)
I'm absolutely excited about input capture because it'll enable input leap to work. Been following it for awhile.
Middle button to close is fine, basically everything that has tabs (starting from the browsers) behaves like that, so to me it's expected. Personally, I prefer the middle mouse click instead of trying to aim for the X in the corner, I always use it with tabs in blowers/explorer/IDEs. If they are going to remove it, hopefully they keep a setting that allows it to be reenabled
Using Fedora 40 KDE spin and I am excited for Plasma 6.1. I use KDE on my bedroom tv PC and I use Gnome on my office pc and enjoy both. KDE does have significant bugs and confusing menus though.
Key mappings are broken in plasma 6. Can't wait for that to be fixed.
Ooh, impressive! I look forward to when this comes out.
The one thing I wish it didn't include, though, was the shutdown, etc. confirmation prompt only mentioning the thing you clicked. Occasionally I'll misclick an option in the launcher and hit the adjacent one, or decide right after I click an option I'd rather do something else (like I'd rather Shut Down after I click Restart), so having all the buttons in the confirmation screen lets me make that correction with just one click. Extremely situational, but still much appreciated, and I'll miss it when it's gone.
2:35 "yes you've lost your work but at least you have your windows back"
Said with a straight face... 🤣
I'm so relieved now!
I am 100% KDE Plasma user, and this desktop is the reason why I am on Linux!
For me, there is no better choice when talking Desktop at all.
Base system is CachyOS, since it's so optimized for all the hardware I have, I get max out of it for free :)
I don't have flickering visible on-screen, but when recording the entire screen in OBS Minecraft Java starts blackout-flickering at the top in the recording. When recording the (fullscreen!) Minecraft window specifically that doesn't happen. I hope that the explicit sync support will allow me to just record my desktop and not have a black bar flickering in and out of the screen all the time in the recording.
FINALLY. Now I don't have to use the terminal to rebind meta to KRunner on every new install!
I really like where KDE is going rn especially as a linux gamer. They seem to be the only DE that supports the latest features (relevant to gaming) ASAP. Maybe cosmic de will bring another serious option for linux gaming eventually too!
I wish that either ① the display border thing was available for X11 ② virtual super resolution was available for Wayland. :(
For anyone who don't see the icons:
①=a)
and
②=b)
Lol I just realized this explanation makes no sense, for people who don't see the icons. Using them here won't make them visible.
@@thingsiplay well ackshyually they’re (1) and (2). ;)
@@HalianTheProtogen Almost. I would say they are 1) and 2), at least the way I am using them middle in the sentence. Noted as (1) and (2) would mean to me its a reference and not a listing. And somewhere below or another place the reference is referenced back and explained.
@@thingsiplay Can't agree. I'm used to seeing them in laws and technical documents, where the opening parenthesis isn't omitted. As for references, their place can be backfilled with superscript numbers.
@@HalianTheProtogen I'm not sure what exactly you are referring to with " seeing them". If you mean this "①", then I just wrote the alternative for people who don't have a font that displays these correctly. I'm not sure, is this even a problem?
The reference thing with superscript numbers is exactly what I was talking about. "(1)" is just a way of notation in case you cannot use superscript, like in text files with characters that don't support this.
I’m convinced openSUSE tumbleweed should be go-to distro for kde for most people. And 6.1 will be there in just a week
Yes enjoying Fedora 40 KDE. F41 is looking good too!
KDE devs don't like adding configuration options (as is mentioned several times in this video) because 1) there are already too many; 2) the fear that they will become "bit rotten". I think KDE could use a Windows Registry / about:config / Gnome Tweak style "expert" configuration UI, but that seems not happening.
I hope that on KDE6.1 the crash is fixed that constantly occurs for me when I attach a second screen. On 5.27 when I add my second 1080p screen plasmashell crashes, taking all Qt apps with it. Gtk apps don't seem affected, so Firefox just loses focus but doesn't crash. LibreOffice and my Qt-based GUI for 7-zip that I'm currently working on do disappear when that happens.
Report the bug and tell us if it's fixed or not
Totally blew my mind; I have used KDE Plasma only since 2024. From Plasma 5 to 6 to 6.1!
I can even see the glitchy horizontal bars right themselves!
dont like that first feature, i hope we can add a "power options" button that brings back the old (current) layout
I'm so glad they finally let you pass mouse input to X11 I was missing that so much. Awesome news.
5:10 it's default macos behaviour, but it's becoming too big in this case, macos doesn't do this far.
Triple-buffered vsync introduces extra input latency. Basically, on 60 Hz, if you used to see your inputs take effect on screen after 16.7 ms on average, now it's gonna be 33.3 ms, and for some people that change can be noticeably jarring.
I'm running Feren OS with KDE Plasma 5.25.5. I'm loving it. I'll move to Plasma 6 when my LTS distro moves, because then I'll know it's stable.
FerenOS isn't really maintained very well at the moment...
@@cameronbosch1213thats what makes me hesitate to use obscure distros.
2:58 You might want to ask the user if attempting to restore the session makes sense, since relaunching the same apps can lead to a crash loop. All I see in terms of disabling this logic is a check of `loginMode` in `kmserverrc`, which appears to be set to `restorePreviousLogout` by default. A default opt-in approach to this would be a prompt that auto confirms after a certain time. But giving the affordance of restoring the session through some non-blocking prompt seems like the perfect middle ground to me.
I actually like having the "refresh desktop" option in the context menu because it reminds me that I can do that. if it's not there, I think that there's no option to refresh the desktop. and with my autism, I sometimes feel like pressing it just to make sure things are working.
The biggest changes I appreciate are the mouse fix for video games, the night color fix, explicit sync, and the chrome crash on drag and drop because I have been personally affected by all of that. Speaking of drag and drop, I really, REALLY would one day love to be able to drag and drop images and video files from both desktop and dolphin file browser into steam chat like I can on windows and discord on linux. I assume KDE and Valve are working together closely enough thanks to steam deck that this isn't a pipe dream.
This is making me consider jumping from Gnome to KDE. I won't be able to until Ubuntu includes the "good Wayland support for Nvidia cards" though, and I'm able to get back to my main rig to add all the missed updates due to a move.
Except for some minor cosmetic bugs still active, Im just waiting for OLED brightness control under Wayland.
The prequisites for that are currently up as MRs; you can expect it to work in 6.2!
Also, I hope they fix the System Monitor issue. It currently reports that you have twice the storage capacity that you actually have.
Lovely changes, with the exception of the desktop refresh on the context menu, maybe have an option for some people so they can enable it there? (does it exist already and i am not aware of this?)
Give them 2-3 years and KDE Plasma and Wayland's gonna kick ass so hard.
if the desktop cube let you select a different monitor in realtime that would be amazing, it currently only works on the currently active one, i see the cube on all 3 monitors but can only use the one on the current screen that the cube was launched from.
RGB as a synonym to LED backlighting of peripherals and not as a colour space reference was jarring. But then I'm in the "Computers should work in the background, their purpose is literally to in as little degree as possible be noticed" camp and would not buy a LED lighted version of something unless the LED light is actually functional, not purely decorative.
this release feels bigger than 6.0
qt6 does not affect the end user.
6.0 was mostly backend things. And unless they would've wanted a repeat of the kde 4 disaster of a launch it was better to first do the backend and have that work nicely before doing the feature work
I'm a KDE Plasma user because it's what came on the Steam Deck so when I swapped to Linux (arch btw as my first distro), I just went to KDE Plasma because it was familiar to a former windows uer and a steam deck owner lol.
I never thought about this before, but you know how some programs let you set a date using a pop-up visual calendar? What if you could set time using a pop-up analog clock where you can just drag the hands? The hour hand would snap to 30-degree increments based on the current position, obviously, and dragging it around past 12 o'clock would swap between AM and PM.
Desktop pager does not adapt for moving the panel from horizontal to vertical ... you have to manually change it from 1x4 to 4x1 configuration :-) Also I have broken a few things right after trying to do a few sensible customizations on Plasma 6.0. Other than that, I am quite happy with Plasma 6 on Fedora atm. The task bar/panel is still terrible, but I try not to use it too much ...
I'm currently using XFCE because of my low-end hardware, but the day I build my own PC, I'll try KDE for sure !
3:41 if you have some buttons on the side of your mouse, they are registered as "mouse clicks" (as buttons MOUSE4 and MOUSE5) and for example I personally have one of these side buttons mapped to Discord PTT (push-to-talk). So it's a good thing for me (that was one of the things I was afraid of switching to Wayland on my desktop)
Sounds like lots of good things are happening in the Plasma camp! Honestly, I have been mostly happy with Plasma for quite some time. It just keeps getting better!
That looks nice! I feel more confident in recommending KDE for friends who want to try linux but have a life
I'm still waiting for proper RDP support on KDE Wayland. In the mean time I'm still stuck on Gnome :(
Does SPICE work?
Is Remmina broken?
@@genstian No, I'm talking about serving RDP, not connecting to RDP.
@@NJ-wb1cz Maybe?. I haven't tested SPICE outside QEMU/Virt-Manager, and there's no iOS client for SPICE I'm aware of.
@@Nik.leonard After having a ton of issues on the KDE side I was honestly surprised when I tested the native RDP server integrated in Gnome on Wayland and it worked perfectly out of the box.
I'm a plasma user and I was waiting for some bugs fixes (I sometimes wait instead of installing on release day). I'm gonna wait for 6.1 to come out before installing.
Endevour with plasma 6, loving it!
Brodie have you made a video about why you switched back to Firefox?
I never got around to it actually
tried all DEs and ended up in KDE 2 years ago. I just cant move to anything else now that i know just how feature rich kde is.
I recently dug out an old laptop and thought "I should try KDE (again)" because I like the style. So I made a USB of Plasma Neon and got stuck in a loop early in the install. Ubuntu with KDE? A different loop in the install. Finally, Kinoite worked. I am not technical. Maybe I was doing something wrong. But two out of three fails when just trying to do a bog standard install, no circus tricks, on an old Thinkpad, looks pretty bug-prone. I do hope 6.1 is better, because I will try it again.
Currently using the beta. Occassionally still some more incosistencies than X11, but by far less and definitely no complete out of order frames anymore. (nvidia 555).
OpenGL Applications seemed to have some performance regression, but with the last update at least the minima got better.
Excited what the non beta will bring in improvements.
At least with this wayland becomes a viable option with nvidia.
Kinda sad we still can't customize touchpad gestures, but eh
Oddly enough I found 6.0 to be way more stable than 5.2x but I use a LOT of screens with different sizes, so for the most part just about any Linux DE gives me grief at some level.
But 6.0 seemed to "just work" for me as far as accurate scaling and handling multiple screen sizes.
Making this even better is a big "f*** yes!!" for me
As someone trying to move over to Linux, I cannot wait until I can customize mouse clicks on my Wacom pen under Wayland. I see the bug report on KDE bugs but who knows when that would get fixed D:
I like the idea, but I don't like the look of that giant cursor. Something like a target circle that zeroes in on the cursor location would be more aesthetically pleasing.
Debian 13 will be the one that comes with XWayland 24.1 that supports Explicit Sync, Probably a Plasma > 6.1 that we know about explicit sync, and till there nvidia will probably release driver 560 or 565, debian 13 will only come in 2025, if i could i would use TuxedoOS, if does all this now, i will install very soon, or maybe wait till ubuntu 24.04 becomes more supported by the package mantainers, since lots of programs are made still for 22.04.
Lol if 6.2 arrives before the Debian freeze. It'll be the best DE experience ever for Debian users. There are like 2 or 3 major features that will land in 6.2. From there on nothing major will be missing in KDE
thx kde team you are awsome
Mouse button events is something I use with xfwm4. Specifically for zoom-I have super-= and super-- bound to send scroll wheel events. Super is my WM key, so it acts as though I was zooming in and out. Presumably kwin let's me bind keys to do that but xfwm4, wayfire, and labwc do not. This means so control is a two-handed affair on these without something like xdotool. This is my major Wayland blocker. There's an issue or two around font scaling but the zoom is the first problem to solve.
I need a tiling window manager which I can assign to an arbitrarily defined rectangular region somewhere within the scope of my collection of monitors.
In other words, I just want a tiling gizmo which works within the scope of a given window.
have you heard of yazi another terminal file manager, but this one is faaaast and written in rust
hope you do a video about it in the future
i'm kooming
such khad
Can I watch?
Have OF?
KEdging
@@fabricio4794you mean KF?
The only time I Refresh Desktop in KDE is when I’m running nVidia 535 and the machine is coming out of sleep due to graphic corruption. Then I curse as not everything refreshes properly, log out, and log back in and Wayland is fully reset and fine again. (Debian Testing/Trixie)
Hey, modifier only shortcuts are great for former Windows user used to switch keyboard layouts with Alt+Shift. I wish Gnome would have that
10:00 Drag an drop
This drag and drop problem is not limited to Chrome. I experienced it in Dolphin filebrowser as well. And saw that many had drag and drop problems in different places in Dolphin. Seems like a general problem with drag and drop in KDE, but they seem to have fixed those after all those reports.
I think the chrome one is a different bug from the dolphin one. The dolphin one was fixed last month. Or at least it stopped happening for me after updating it then.
@@KarlofDuty_ It might be just a coincident. You are probably right, because Chrome is not a KDE application (dependencies, libraries, configurations and so on).
Pretty sure I managed to crash plasma shell by doing something with drag and drop
Everytime I click Shutdown or Restart I get this error: kwin_wayland_drm: Pageflip timed out! This is a kernel bug.
Anyone experienced this?
Re: that keyboard sync thing, what I'm wondering is whether it's using the accent color AFTER applying night light adjustments... because, while my hand-me-down Ideapad's keyboard isn't RGB, it is very noticeable when the screen is yellowed by the key backlight is still actinic white.
(My desktop keyboards have no backlights because they're either the cheapest Cherry MX Blue board I could buy as my first mechanical keyboard as an adult, or from companies like Unicomp and Matias whose niches are small enough that they can sell based on choice of keyswitch alone.)
Nvidia on wayland is great for me. There just needs to be a non x11 api for OC/UV to make something like gwe work.
Plasma 6.1 on Armbian and Plasma 6.0 on Fedora 40 Asahi, happy with them so far, though that transition on Armbian I somehow uninstalled Plasma completely, I usually am pretty good at watching the upgrades for software removal. Scratching my head for a while why SDDM was exiting with unknown values hahaha.
Since I use Arch using plasma and wayland, no issues, I used to have a weird mouse issue with wayland but it seems to already be working right now, character don't spin at 700FPS anymore when right clicking and holding mouse button.
They need to fix when gaming pc still sleeps when using a controller.
MacOS got mouse cursor auto-hiding a while ago. It can't be disabled and hides the cursor instantly when typing. I absolutely hate it, thankfully KDE will give us choice.
Still nothing to manually adjusting the panel transparency
I'm a plasma user with KDE neon distro, so getting it ASAP as it's stable release (long term KDE user, since KDE3.5).
And I don't like some of these changes (for example I prefer time input box taking single string like "930" and parsing it as 9:30, still fastest way to enter full time and I got used to have option to switch from shutdown to anything else, so when I could keep only one icon in "start menu" and do all actions by it, etc... welp, whatever, I guess I could adjust to new stuff, or moan in KDE bugs if it will hit me too hard)
I've seen programs do it where you type in the first box, and it automatically carries over to the second box, so you can still just type the whole time, but also have the separate boxes.
That Chrome bug made Chromium unusable when dragging and dropping files. I'm really glad this got fixed