Amazing, i am Brazilian and, recently i buy pi zero for $40 (Prices in Brazil are a joke), and i search for OS and more details! Your video save me, and i thanks for you! sorry for my bad english, i do not use translators because i am learning.
Hi Allan, nice to hear from you! Glad to be of some help! $40 for a PiZero!!!!! Wow! No need to say sorry for your English, I understood you perfectly, Keep safe and thanks for watching! Tom
I love ethernet but we desperately need a new standard for the cables and ports. The current one requires quite a bit of space, which as we develop smaller and smaller electronics gets difficult (e.g. a smartphone or thin profile laptop) . And most of the cables being unshielded is a bitch of a problem to deal with.
The Rpi's big advantage is the software optimization. The foundation has spent a decade tweaking the code. Even the Pi4 which is very new is starting to really show this advantage. I watched a video that showed Kdenlive running on a Pi4 and two other much more powerful SBC systems. When the render was done I expected the Pi to get blown away but it vastly outperformed the other two boards despite their superior hardware. That's all down to the work the foundation has done on the software. The Pi community and the Foundation are why the Pi is the way to go. Having said that, the Pi4 is the minimum I'd want for a desktop. 4 cores, much faster, USB3 and 2GB of RAM on the $35 board. I've noticed that unless I have a lot of stuff open I seldom use more than 2gb of RAM. I'm now using my Pi4 4gb board as my daily driver.
Btw a cheap toothbrush + some isopropyl alcohol is the best way to clean a pcb from runaway flux. Most of the residue is dissolved and evaporates with the alcohol
I've not had to many problems with Orange Pi Zero with Armbian, but it has some serious heat issues and needs a pretty good cooler, which kind of defeats the form factor in my opinion. Do not use the official case! My favorite mini-SBC is definitely the C.H.I.P.. It's to bad that the company went under, it's a really slick little board that works straight out of the box. Absolutely love the little thing
hey guys! I'm experimenting with some window managers and for now I like the awesome wm on top of the lite raspberrypi OS the most. Also it is very lightweight an customizable. Awesome is written in Lua so the sky is the limit. Acording to the internet lua is a lightweight and fast programming language, wish sounds good to me. Anyway, I'm just at the beginning of my computing jurney so I may have overlook something here. Greetings from germany and a huge thank you for the video! :D
Hi no worries at all, thanks for your comment! The speed advantage has to be seen to be believed! Glad your going to take a look at RISC OS, it is a little different to what you might expect. If not seen already do checkout my video series 'RISC OS Direct' which is deigned to guide new first time users. ruclips.net/p/PL8Ltmk_Xax1paNYu8nYrSzIvj2iYDrozU
@@WiFiSheep It is now late September, 2020. Any prediction as to when the wi-fi solution will be available for the Raspberry Pi Zero W ? I would very much like to use RISC OS Direct, but I would very much prefer not to have to use an ethernet cable.
@@stevieray2804 There is an update in the works for Raspberry Pi 4 support which Im really hoping will be public before the end of the year. However Wi-FI Support is some way off yet so maybe 12 months but its really hard to tell.
Hi many thanks, So RISC OS is not Linux, it is its own bare metal ARM system. It was the first and original ARM OS from 1987 before the first UNIX and later Linux ports appeared. So its not UNIX or Linux like in anyway. Its OS kernel and command structure is based on the OS from the ACORN BBC Micro so uses commands such as: *CAT as apposed to: ls under Linux. RISC OS also still uses a 32bit build of BBC BASIC in ROM for some application and OS functions. All this is why it runs so fast and well on ARM devices as it has always been native, however this means it does lack compatibility with some software and driver support , hence no wi-fi or bluetooth, limited software catalogue etc. Hopefully that answers your question.
So basically the network side works fine under Linux OS builds, but not RISC OS due to the Ethernet chip used on the waveshare hat not having any drivers that RISC OS can use or understand. Some of the common Chinese USB/Ethernet hubs work fine under RISC OS as they use common chipset that RISC OS has drivers for.
Hi Tom, Interesting video and it is great to see RISC OS still has so much to offer after all these years. One question if I may? How does RISC OS Direct relate to RISC OS Cloverleaf? Many thanks . Paddy
Hi, many thanks, It relates in as much as the people and team that did Direct (myself included) all more or less got hired to do parts for Cloverleaf. (you may have seen the video work I did for their kickstarter) Its my understanding that the future RISC OS Cloverleaf build is based on the commercial pay RISC OS Direct PLUS build. (this is something we've not talked about on this channel) However I must stress Cloverleaf is an independent private venture based in Thailand, thats buying / licensing assets. Its not part of the RISC OS Direct project, but it dose borrow and use a far few parts and assets from it.
hey we repeat this test you made (using raspberry zero as PC) in the 'garcia explica' channel. some info we didnt tested much for advanced users - this message was my proposal to garcia begin the video idea: how about a challenge: Using Raspberry 0 w as your main PC for a day or three? I'm sugesting this because in 2012, Chris from Explaining Computers used Rpi2 as his PC for a week. Now in 2021, covid made more jobs change to the online model, and here in Brazil the prices of computers got very high. As i'm using my Rpi4 for main computer for a whole year, ive had a really good experience on manjaro with sway etc. Many wonder what can be used or not in Rpi0w, so this test could be great. Some details to make the sugestion working: -SYSTEM: raspberry OS. Maybe you get a better experience with arch, dietPi or even Gentoo idk. / tinycore ou puppy / P4wnP1_ALOA hacker -DESKTOP ENVIROMENT: change the LXDE to sway or i3 (novaspirit has a great tutorial on this). Maybe 540p resolution would be better -PROGRAMS: abiword instead of libreoffice, gimp?, chromium with lightweight extensions or some terminal browser (i can sugest more tips on this topic) -HARDWARE RECOMENDATIONS: SSD or HD with external powering instead of the microSD memory, a good microSD or even leepspvideo's PiSafe's eMMC to boot, keyboard with dongle, cable management, and of course a great usb hub or the GPIO shild with more USBs, overclock and a little heatsink. *512 ram = swap? -CHALLENGES: try typing some text, light image and audio editing, youtube playback with h264ify or pasting the link in vlc, gaming (even light PS1 games works), benchmarks, light versions of sites like gmail and facebook, video or audio conferences, multitasking in general with htop, wine, DRM, ssh, cmatrix of course, etc
I have an idea with a simple clock in software (my own code) and need a simpler or smaller form than my RPi 3B(s) to run 24/7, so this is the first video popping up from Google. It's about testing some cheap, tiny displays and triggering an alarm construct sometimes. Very helpful video for planning it. I think the W option is more suited for me, but I was really wondering about all of this.
Good video. That RISC OS looked good . What’s it like with internet? Also one draw back of using Pi as computer , how do you print? You can use Chromium but not direct from computer
Many Thanks, RISC OS's online experience is a little hit and miss at best. Updates are coming to the TCP networking stack and a more modern HTML5 webkit enabled web browser. As for printing although not tested I dont see why on the Linux side stranded drivers would not work. as for RISC OS again debatable although it dose come with PostScript drivers that can be used by a bulk of top to mid range printers. The alternative on both platforms would be to print in PDF and transfer to another system
@@WiFiSheep I still don't understand why a Pi cannot print out of the box. If anything this is holding back their use as a home / school computer. The only way to print is through Chrome browser if Google Air Print supported.
As I said Post Script drivers should work but not all printers can support them. The main issue may be the bulk of domestic printer drivers are only complied for X86 PC architecture and not the ARM chip set that Pi uses so it could be as simple as that. I have to be honest I have never done printing from a pi so I purely basing this on speculation
Thanks, I have muted the idea to the 'top brass' at RISC OS Devs LTD basically the people that own the OS. What we have to remember is it was created as 'The' OS for the then new ARM chipset and ARM it has stayed with ever since. As RISC-V develops we might see a port in the next 5 years although if FPGA develops as fast, RISC OS might just come with its own ARM core in the future
I would like to start by saying that your explanations are very clear and easy to follow, but I have a question regarding soldering the gpio headpins: that greasy substance (flux?)... What does it do? Does it make more easy to apply the tin wire?
Hi thanks very much. So in short yes.. Flux is a mild corrosive cleaning agent that removes grease, old and any other contaminates from metal parts, allowing for the heated solder alloy to flow and attached more easily requiring less heat and less time super heating the area being soldered. I have now switched to using a more liquid flux that evaporates as it give an even cleaner finish. You can solider without flux but results can be variable at best such as poor contact, balling or dry joints or pin contacts bridging together.
Hi Buddy... 1st time I've come across ur channel... Great Video, subscribed about half way through, u deserve way more subscribers..! I think u have a faulty Orange Pi Zero board, as I've seen several videos on them & ppl seem 2 have no issues with them. I'll have 2 look @ ur Risc OS looks super fast & perfect 4 such low power boards. Also any update on getting the Ethernet working.? Please could u add a link 2 that hat or at least put the name etc in the description. Thanks.!
Hi Max, Thanks for the sub! And yep your one of many who have said I should have more subs... but as I've always said the RUclips gods often appear to overlook us here :-/ Due to contractual obligations with our sponsors, I cant link to the product directly, what I can tell you is the product is made by: Waveshare As for networking and RISC OS, I have not tried the newer network stack RISC OS now has which might solve the issue. The stock is not yet public domain but should be out at some point next year.
@@WiFiSheep Thanks 4 the info... U should test it & do an update video when I have a chance. Have a great Xmas..! & keep up the great work ur doing... I'm sure the channel will take off soon. Ciao.
Hi, thanks for your thoughts and feedback. you make an interesting point about the decisions of editing and timing. The justification was it was felt important to show the real boot up times as apposed to 'jump cuting' which I agree would have aided the pace of the video but it was a trade off against showing realtime booting which was a big part of this video.
I think if you run the minimum base with say LXDE desktop it would be useable on Pi Zero or original Pi 1s If it would go much faster then Diet Pi is questionable. But it should be solid enough. It very much depends on what you want to do / use it for really.
Amazing... Raspberry Pi OS uses under 16MB when used headless. I could run matplotlib, Sagemath and Mathematica. I want to get surf to work on it for web. So far desktops don't work well on it.
A big part of that is probably the standard distro using gnome. I mean come on, how is that a sensible choice for a mini computer that can't affort to waste resources? Just doesn't seem to make sense.
So, you don't need to solder every pin to every hole? Very new to the RPi world and have yet to solder anything but will eventually trey something.... Great vid!
Hi to fit a full GPIO 40pin header, as I did in this video, every pin of the header needs to be soldered in place. This video was edited down for time reasons but all 40 pins where soldered. Extra pins like the TV out and Reset lines are not required and hence I decided not to fit that smaller 4 pin header to the board.
Have you seen a version of the HAT that also has wifi? Should also mention that the added ports don't add extra bandwidth. They all share the same USB2 data path on the Pi Zero.
@@termile510 I could (and I will) but the W only has 2.4g Wifi. I have a Pi Zero and I'm curious if has better communications with this board and a Wifi\Bluetooth USB dongle.
@@bosahvandenberg Alright I see. I think maybe a usb dongle may in theory work, given that it is powerful enough. However I've seen some videos on youtube where people have soldered a more powerful wifi antenna to the pi. I can link one of those vids to you in a seperate reply - hopefully that is a potential solution for you.
@@termile510 I have seen those as well. I'm not going near anything delicate with my soldering skills :). Really, this is a curious question I would like to investigate. I will likely have all the pieces in a week or two to test this in practice. We'll see. It will likely not represent an earth shaking difference. Thanks for the responses. :)
Can you 'Tails OS' -ify RiscOS? Like give it amnesia, so nothing is ever written to the disk (just stored on RAM). So after use, nothing is left on the disc. (Journalism tool).
I do not know if I am the only one, although I am subscribed to the channel this video didn’t show up in my subscriptions and I only found it as a suggestion.
I think youtube is having some issues with notifications to be honest, as the viewer uptake on this video has been a little slow. Best bet if you can is to follow @wifisheep on twitter as I always tweet out new channel content.
Chris...make sure you click the bell next to subcribe as well. You should get notified. Not a guarantee though...I've missed a couple of videos from other you tubers in the past ..the wonders of you tube
Hi not as such RISC OS Direct comes installed with a number of video and audio players which work to a certain level. As yet VLC has not been ported over to the platform but I am pushing for it to be at some point. The RISC OS eco system has a large number of native apps that so similar things to more well known Office and open source software. Some titles such as DOSBOX and Netsurf which are known on other OS's are preloaded onto Direct. CAD software, word and office suites, programming tools and paint apps are included on the stock RISC OS Direct build as default. Glad to hear your liking RISC OS! Stick with it updates are on the way!
Not well is my answer... The linux builds will run RUclips, but your not going to get 1080p out of them, RISC OS Direct although much faster overall, cant run RUclips or any video 'in browser' as yet. So when it comes to media content you cant really win :-/
Armbian has made new kernels and builds that work VERY well on those (better power setting and cpu clock configurations to keep heat down)...however the Orange Pi H2 and H3 processors run hot hot hot...you need heatsinks on the processors and/or active cooling Also look into putting ZRAM/ZSWAP and log2ram packages on there...it increases available ram by compressing it giving the rPi ALOT more available resources (and less writing to the SD card) that are limited due to it being a SBC
I'd love to see you do some videos on RISC OS on the Pi Zero. How to get it going, etc. I'll look to see if you already have. That looks incredibly handy. Have You made any progress with networking? Pi Zero W and Risc OS could make some amazing devices
If your using Linux based OSs then the Pi Zero W which is a little more expensive ($12 - $19 range) has Wi-Fi and Bluetooth build-in as standard. And yes ive seen rigs that allow Pi Zeros to be used in clusters, Although ive never done it myself.
Hi, So the linux builds such as Diet Pi will require the drivers and software to be installed, but this will be no different to normal Raspberry Pi OS. You may find some additional libraries will need installing as well. RISC OS sadly not..... as very little Pi HAT hardware works with the OS, being its own raw ARM OS it dose not have unix or linux onboard so cant run most of the required hardware drivers such as for tv hats.
No not as yet, your most likely right about the chip set, although the TCP stack is due to be replaced in RISC OS shortly so hopefully that might help make the OS more compliant.
Hi you can but not natively as RISC OS requires an ARM processor. However if your running Linux or Windows you can emulate RISC OS on top under a 13 x86 processor. For windows there are even some easy start installers for a classic Acorn 3.x OS or a port of RISC OS Direct www.marutan.net/rpcemu/easystart.html You wont quite get the modern performance of a Raspberry Pi as the RPCEmu emulates older 90's ARM chipset but it should run well enough and is useable. The emulator is configurable for network and internet use, as long as the host OS is connected and online. Beware internet and networking lacks on RISC OS being stuck in the mid 90's. So modern social media or youtube is out :-/
Ok no worries, Yeah its a very fast, fun , retro 'toy' OS for the Raspberry Pi or older ARMs but your not going to do anything serious with it, not in the 2020's !
No, sadly not, RISC OS is its own system hard coded and complied in ARM assembler, as such common drivers as seen on Linux or Unix systems are mostly not cross compatible.
Hi this tutorial convinced me to buy it but when I plug it in it has power(red light on the hat and green light on to pi0) but when I plug in the keyboard and mouse it does not have power(the mouse doesn't turn on and keyboard doesn't work) do you have any suggestions that might help it? thanks
Hmm? The Pi Zeros can be a bit funny about power consumption. We have to remember they are built on the original Pi 1 architecture which was very sensitive to power issues. 1) Make sure the keyboard your using is not an Apple branded one or one that has built in USB hubs as these draw to much power. 2)Try using the pi from a clean power source if your using a mains plug extension cord, try to limit what else is plugged in. 3) And most likely the issue.... your power supply is to weak. I was using a Raspberry Pi 3 PSU in this video which gives out more amps You need to run at 5V 2.0amps minimum. Some older Pi power supplies or phone charges give out less then 2.0amps, this will cause you major issues. 4) Make sure your running the latest version of your chosen Pi OS 5) If your still having issues contact the seller of your board or Wave-share as it might have an issue I did this video totally off my own back so are in noway associated with the products, sellers or manufactures. Hope that helps
In 2015 the pi Zero released for $4 / £4 . This video is now a few years old and inflation and price rises + new more expensive versions such as the Zero W and now as of 2021 the Zero 2 W have been released.
Pi Zero $5, ethernet hat $10, SD Card, $10, Power supply antoth $10. So Pi zero is a $35 Descktop computer. Still cheap ut if you need the ethernet id consider a Pi 3 for $5 extra you get a little more power and a few ports. The Pi Zero works out Cheap when you dont need to add any hats to it. Lastly the Pi Zero with wifi and bluetooth is more like $20 with no ethernet. When chosing the Pi Zero dont use it based on cost use it bassed on space and or low power needs, then it shows its strenght.
We have to bare in mind the video was made a little while ago and global commodity prices have shifted in that time. I think you've hit the main issue with Pi Zero on the head when the setup cost of all the parts gets you into Pi4 territory. So Pi Zero has always had a slight 'false economy' element to it. The main purpose of this video was a 'can you do it' rather then 'should you do it'. And I think the results were interesting and worth doing... Basically its nice for RISC OS with al its flaws and problems to win something for once! LOL
As RISC OS is not Linux and Pi Hole requires Linux I dont see how RISC OS could run it TBH this is one of the down sides of the OS it cant ran the normal Pi Software or hardware which is mostly Linux derivative.
Yeah its heritage is from that late 1980's era and its carried a far amount of things though. Its more like workbench over say Apple System 7x or Windows 3.x / 95 of the time A really brief history is here ruclips.net/video/ecy0IXZt8BE/видео.html as part of our RISC OS Direct video series.
Hi, RISC OS is great for the older or slower Pis as I showed in this video. However it sadly dose not have a port of Minecraft and is unlikely ever see one... However RISC OS Direct is setup for 32- 26/16 and 8 bit gaming, coming with emulators and some shareware and licensed retro games all for free. Please see episode 3 of our RISC OS Direct Video series for more info: ruclips.net/video/OjyCOj_WEOU/видео.html
@@WiFiSheep there is a Linux port for Minecraft pocket edition know as Minecraft pi edition I was wandering if that would be able to run also I have a quick suggestion Could it be possible to add a force hdmi as in my setup it doesn't work without it as currently I'm stuck with pi os as it's the only full feature os with that feature than runs ok
RISCOS is not linux or linux compatible so any software would need to be recompiled from source, and im assuming the Minecraft pocket edition is not open source? Any even if it is, it would have to work with RISC OS's video and GPU drivers which again are not linux despite this all running on the same hardware chipset. As for forcing HDMI this can be set up identically to how the stock PI OS works by modifying the config.txt file. AS under RISC OS there is no Nano terminal editor, its quicker to put the boot SD card in a PC / MAC or other desktop Linux system and edit the config.txt file using a text editor, with the same syntax and commands as you would for linux on the Pi. The Config.txt file is set up a little different for RISC OS but you can simply add your force HDMI statements to the file. This has to be done manually as RISC OS dose not have linux / unix style raspi-config menu but all syntax and commands can be found on the Pi foundation web site: www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt
Not great.... RISC OS 5 cant run any web based youtube. The linux builds can, but your not going to get very high definition or frame rate. It'll work and some videos will be better then others but it wont compare to a full desktop or even a faster Pi. Saying that even the Pi 4 cant to 4k and reports have suggested it struggles with 1080p on youtube.
@@another3997 - unfortunately, that is not how the rest of the volunteer software dev community works. but a popular platform will help keep some apps supported on the v6.
Hi Yes, it should work fine with all versions of the Pi Zero. Only thing to be aware of it RISC OS Direct cant use the Pi Wifi at all. The Linux OSs shown should be able to. Although Diet Pi may require the manual installing of wifi drivers. Raspian AKA Raspberry Pi OS will work fine out of the box but will be slow to use on the Pi Zero
It really annoys me that everyone advertises the pi zero at $5, or $8 australian. Yet the cheapest I can find, before shipping, is $18 australian, over double the cost.
Yes, as I replied to another comment (I think on this video?) the Pi Zeros are cheap but also false economy at the same time, as you rightly point out by the time you've bought all the extras to make a working system your almost in Pi3 or Pi4 money. This video was more a 'could you?' rather then a 'should you?' concept.
@@WiFiSheep oh, no, i was talking about just the pi zero. I eventually found a pi zero for $9, its just nobody stocks them, only zero wh's, which cost $20 here :( The pi 4 2gb is aud$67! Thats not a kit. Thats just the base machine. Electronics are always overpriced here, and its so frustrating to hear other countries get them cheap. However, making your arduino nano 8bit IS going to be cheap, so thats gonna be fun
I think you could view it more as a 'proof of concept'. Quite a few things in 'Hobby' computing are done more out of 'because we can' rather then having a practical point.
Does RiscOS support these from Pimoroni. It includes 3 USB ports and an Ethernet port. I'd expect more people with PiZeros would have one of these already. shop.pimoroni.com/products/usb-multi-function-lan-adaptor
They are such a ball ache and cost a fortune with accessories.........where-as i got a new Android smartphone for a FIVER on boxing day. It can run LINUX by using free apps from the play store........put it together with a new 5 dollar VR headset off ebay bundled handheld Blutoothe controller.........it becomes a very powerful computer.
@@another3997 well...bluetoothe mouse and keys......solves that. THe VR headset is better than any monitor......costs a fraction of it.... The computing experience is better than one could really believe..........at mere mere fractions of expenditure ............great Learning off the World Wide Web.
Amazing, i am Brazilian and, recently i buy pi zero for $40 (Prices in Brazil are a joke), and i search for OS and more details! Your video save me, and i thanks for you! sorry for my bad english, i do not use translators because i am learning.
Hi Allan, nice to hear from you! Glad to be of some help! $40 for a PiZero!!!!! Wow!
No need to say sorry for your English, I understood you perfectly, Keep safe and thanks for watching!
Tom
Dude in Canada they are 40 dollars on Amazon. Anywhere else here that sells them with shipping it comes out to the same price.
@Thistle Flower thats the one I'm referring to. I just ordered a zero a few days ago and it cost 40 Canadian.
@Thistle Flower i could not find it anywhere cheaper here.
@Thistle Flower Yet to see a single goverment around the PLANET that isnt corrupt
For clarification: Wired ethernet will never be obsoleted by wi-fi in speed, latency, or security, only in convenience for connectivity.
Well, we can only hope for them be be on par.
@Radeonr9280x A Win7, the faster OS.
@Byron Draven Yeah I tried it, didnt work. Just a virus
I love ethernet but we desperately need a new standard for the cables and ports. The current one requires quite a bit of space, which as we develop smaller and smaller electronics gets difficult (e.g. a smartphone or thin profile laptop) . And most of the cables being unshielded is a bitch of a problem to deal with.
wifi on its way to a negligible difference..
The Rpi's big advantage is the software optimization. The foundation has spent a decade tweaking the code. Even the Pi4 which is very new is starting to really show this advantage. I watched a video that showed Kdenlive running on a Pi4 and two other much more powerful SBC systems. When the render was done I expected the Pi to get blown away but it vastly outperformed the other two boards despite their superior hardware. That's all down to the work the foundation has done on the software. The Pi community and the Foundation are why the Pi is the way to go. Having said that, the Pi4 is the minimum I'd want for a desktop. 4 cores, much faster, USB3 and 2GB of RAM on the $35 board. I've noticed that unless I have a lot of stuff open I seldom use more than 2gb of RAM. I'm now using my Pi4 4gb board as my daily driver.
@@christopher480 Do you also find yourself shouting at traffic?..
Btw a cheap toothbrush + some isopropyl alcohol is the best way to clean a pcb from runaway flux.
Most of the residue is dissolved and evaporates with the alcohol
I've not had to many problems with Orange Pi Zero with Armbian, but it has some serious heat issues and needs a pretty good cooler, which kind of defeats the form factor in my opinion. Do not use the official case!
My favorite mini-SBC is definitely the C.H.I.P.. It's to bad that the company went under, it's a really slick little board that works straight out of the box. Absolutely love the little thing
hey guys! I'm experimenting with some window managers and for now I like the awesome wm on top of the lite raspberrypi OS the most. Also it is very lightweight an customizable. Awesome is written in Lua so the sky is the limit. Acording to the internet lua is a lightweight and fast programming language, wish sounds good to me. Anyway, I'm just at the beginning of my computing jurney so I may have overlook something here.
Greetings from germany and a huge thank you for the video! :D
risc os running that well on such limited hardware is insane. gonna give it a look, never heard of it before.
thanks for the video
Hi no worries at all, thanks for your comment! The speed advantage has to be seen to be believed! Glad your going to take a look at RISC OS, it is a little different to what you might expect.
If not seen already do checkout my video series 'RISC OS Direct' which is deigned to guide new first time users. ruclips.net/p/PL8Ltmk_Xax1paNYu8nYrSzIvj2iYDrozU
Have you sorted out the networking problems.? This RISC OS looks really cool.
Hi, great video, a lot of great information for a noob like me. One question, with a raspberry pi zero w, does risc os support the wifi and bluetooth?
Thanks very much... unfortunately at this current time RISC OS lacks support for Wi-Fi or Bluetooth.... Although a Wi-Fi solution is being worked on
@@WiFiSheep It is now late September, 2020. Any prediction as to when the wi-fi solution will be available for the Raspberry Pi Zero W ? I would very much like to use RISC OS Direct, but I would very much prefer not to have to use an ethernet cable.
@@stevieray2804 There is an update in the works for Raspberry Pi 4 support which Im really hoping will be public before the end of the year. However Wi-FI Support is some way off yet so maybe 12 months but its really hard to tell.
Hey liked your video, but I have a question does risk is give the full fletched Linux experience
Hi many thanks, So RISC OS is not Linux, it is its own bare metal ARM system. It was the first and original ARM OS from 1987 before the first UNIX and later Linux ports appeared. So its not UNIX or Linux like in anyway. Its OS kernel and command structure is based on the OS from the ACORN BBC Micro so uses commands such as: *CAT as apposed to: ls under Linux.
RISC OS also still uses a 32bit build of BBC BASIC in ROM for some application and OS functions.
All this is why it runs so fast and well on ARM devices as it has always been native, however this means it does lack compatibility with some software and driver support , hence no wi-fi or bluetooth, limited software catalogue etc.
Hopefully that answers your question.
Btw. The rpi zero can also be bought in bigger numbers nowadays with the zero wh. Which is slightly more expensive, but still has a good price.
Interesting did not know that! Many thanks
I understand that this question came one year late. Have you got the network working on the pi zero yet?
So basically the network side works fine under Linux OS builds, but not RISC OS due to the Ethernet chip used on the waveshare hat not having any drivers that RISC OS can use or understand. Some of the common Chinese USB/Ethernet hubs work fine under RISC OS as they use common chipset that RISC OS has drivers for.
Hi Tom, Interesting video and it is great to see RISC OS still has so much to offer after all these years. One question if I may? How does RISC OS Direct relate to RISC OS Cloverleaf? Many thanks . Paddy
Hi, many thanks, It relates in as much as the people and team that did Direct (myself included) all more or less got hired to do parts for Cloverleaf. (you may have seen the video work I did for their kickstarter) Its my understanding that the future RISC OS Cloverleaf build is based on the commercial pay RISC OS Direct PLUS build. (this is something we've not talked about on this channel) However I must stress Cloverleaf is an independent private venture based in Thailand, thats buying / licensing assets. Its not part of the RISC OS Direct project, but it dose borrow and use a far few parts and assets from it.
I like this, but would love to see a good case to keep it all secure
I really like the FLIRC case. Check it out!
Send me one and I'll put up some stl to thingiverse 😂
@@Execus a cellphone case and plastic clips do wonders and is cheap
Initial start up is always slower & takes longer to boot up, it should be quicker the next time keep your SD card installed
Nice video!
Sich a shame that this video doesn't pop up when I was investigating the performance of OSes for rpi0
hey we repeat this test you made (using raspberry zero as PC) in the 'garcia explica' channel. some info we didnt tested much for advanced users - this message was my proposal to garcia begin the video idea:
how about a challenge: Using Raspberry 0 w as your main PC for a day or three?
I'm sugesting this because in 2012, Chris from Explaining Computers used Rpi2 as his PC for a week. Now in 2021, covid made more jobs change to the online model, and here in Brazil the prices of computers got very high. As i'm using my Rpi4 for main computer for a whole year, ive had a really good experience on manjaro with sway etc. Many wonder what can be used or not in Rpi0w, so this test could be great. Some details to make the sugestion working:
-SYSTEM: raspberry OS. Maybe you get a better experience with arch, dietPi or even Gentoo idk. / tinycore ou puppy / P4wnP1_ALOA hacker
-DESKTOP ENVIROMENT: change the LXDE to sway or i3 (novaspirit has a great tutorial on this). Maybe 540p resolution would be better
-PROGRAMS: abiword instead of libreoffice, gimp?, chromium with lightweight extensions or some terminal browser (i can sugest more tips on this topic)
-HARDWARE RECOMENDATIONS: SSD or HD with external powering instead of the microSD memory, a good microSD or even leepspvideo's PiSafe's eMMC to boot, keyboard with dongle, cable management, and of course a great usb hub or the GPIO shild with more USBs, overclock and a little heatsink. *512 ram = swap?
-CHALLENGES: try typing some text, light image and audio editing, youtube playback with h264ify or pasting the link in vlc, gaming (even light PS1 games works), benchmarks, light versions of sites like gmail and facebook, video or audio conferences, multitasking in general with htop, wine, DRM, ssh, cmatrix of course, etc
I have an idea with a simple clock in software (my own code) and need a simpler or smaller form than my RPi 3B(s) to run 24/7, so this is the first video popping up from Google. It's about testing some cheap, tiny displays and triggering an alarm construct sometimes. Very helpful video for planning it. I think the W option is more suited for me, but I was really wondering about all of this.
Good video. That RISC OS looked good . What’s it like with internet? Also one draw back of using Pi as computer , how do you print? You can use Chromium but not direct from computer
Many Thanks, RISC OS's online experience is a little hit and miss at best. Updates are coming to the TCP networking stack and a more modern HTML5 webkit enabled web browser.
As for printing although not tested I dont see why on the Linux side stranded drivers would not work. as for RISC OS again debatable although it dose come with PostScript drivers that can be used by a bulk of top to mid range printers. The alternative on both platforms would be to print in PDF and transfer to another system
@@WiFiSheep I still don't understand why a Pi cannot print out of the box. If anything this is holding back their use as a home / school computer. The only way to print is through Chrome browser if Google Air Print supported.
As I said Post Script drivers should work but not all printers can support them. The main issue may be the bulk of domestic printer drivers are only complied for X86 PC architecture and not the ARM chip set that Pi uses so it could be as simple as that.
I have to be honest I have never done printing from a pi so I purely basing this on speculation
RISC OS looks very cool. Any chance that will ever run in a RISC-V computer like HiFive's?
Thanks, I have muted the idea to the 'top brass' at RISC OS Devs LTD basically the people that own the OS. What we have to remember is it was created as 'The' OS for the then new ARM chipset and ARM it has stayed with ever since. As RISC-V develops we might see a port in the next 5 years although if FPGA develops as fast, RISC OS might just come with its own ARM core in the future
I would like to start by saying that your explanations are very clear and easy to follow, but I have a question regarding soldering the gpio headpins: that greasy substance (flux?)... What does it do? Does it make more easy to apply the tin wire?
Hi thanks very much. So in short yes.. Flux is a mild corrosive cleaning agent that removes grease, old and any other contaminates from metal parts, allowing for the heated solder alloy to flow and attached more easily requiring less heat and less time super heating the area being soldered.
I have now switched to using a more liquid flux that evaporates as it give an even cleaner finish.
You can solider without flux but results can be variable at best such as poor contact, balling or dry joints or pin contacts bridging together.
Remember when you could get Raspberry Pis for the cheap prices they were released with.
A $15 Pi02 costs $120 here in Sweden.
The issue with Orange Pi randomly crashing is not limited to the Zero, I have a 2+ that does the same thing.
IPA and a toothbrush would make short work of cleaning up that flux
Hi Buddy... 1st time I've come across ur channel...
Great Video, subscribed about half way through, u deserve way more subscribers..!
I think u have a faulty Orange Pi Zero board, as I've seen several videos on them & ppl seem 2 have no issues with them.
I'll have 2 look @ ur Risc OS looks super fast & perfect 4 such low power boards.
Also any update on getting the Ethernet working.?
Please could u add a link 2 that hat or at least put the name etc in the description.
Thanks.!
Hi Max, Thanks for the sub! And yep your one of many who have said I should have more subs... but as I've always said the RUclips gods often appear to overlook us here :-/
Due to contractual obligations with our sponsors, I cant link to the product directly, what I can tell you is the product is made by: Waveshare
As for networking and RISC OS, I have not tried the newer network stack RISC OS now has which might solve the issue. The stock is not yet public domain but should be out at some point next year.
@@WiFiSheep
Thanks 4 the info...
U should test it & do an update video when I have a chance.
Have a great Xmas..!
& keep up the great work ur doing...
I'm sure the channel will take off soon.
Ciao.
The video was quite good, but I think you should have done more cuts and speeds up, because sometimes it resulted boring
Hi, thanks for your thoughts and feedback. you make an interesting point about the decisions of editing and timing. The justification was it was felt important to show the real boot up times as apposed to 'jump cuting' which I agree would have aided the pace of the video but it was a trade off against showing realtime booting which was a big part of this video.
Possible graphical desktop OSs for the Raspberry Pi Zero W boards are:
1) Raspberry Pi OS
2) Diet Pi
3)RISC OS
Hi if your new to RISC OS you might find our RISC OS Direct video series helpful:
ruclips.net/p/PL8Ltmk_Xax1paNYu8nYrSzIvj2iYDrozU
What do you think about ArchLinux with a really light desktop environment?
I think if you run the minimum base with say LXDE desktop it would be useable on Pi Zero or original Pi 1s If it would go much faster then Diet Pi is questionable. But it should be solid enough. It very much depends on what you want to do / use it for really.
@@WiFiSheep Thank you for your answer and video!
It was really cool, I'll be keep on following your videos now on ;)
Did you get the Ethernet port working on Risc OS?
No it’s a driver issue with the chip used that risc os didn’t like
Amazing...
Raspberry Pi OS uses under 16MB when used headless.
I could run matplotlib, Sagemath and Mathematica.
I want to get surf to work on it for web.
So far desktops don't work well on it.
A big part of that is probably the standard distro using gnome. I mean come on, how is that a sensible choice for a mini computer that can't affort to waste resources? Just doesn't seem to make sense.
yes it is a command prompt. but is that the command prompt?
RISC OS kicks ass.
So, you don't need to solder every pin to every hole? Very new to the RPi world and have yet to solder anything but will eventually trey something.... Great vid!
Hi to fit a full GPIO 40pin header, as I did in this video, every pin of the header needs to be soldered in place. This video was edited down for time reasons but all 40 pins where soldered.
Extra pins like the TV out and Reset lines are not required and hence I decided not to fit that smaller 4 pin header to the board.
Gday Where in the world can you buy a Raspi Zero for 4 bucks ? Aliexpress lists Zero no wifi for USD$15.38 on SALE and Zero W for USD$20.54 on sale
thepihut.com/collections/raspberry-pi/products/raspberry-pi-zero
Overseas prices outside the UK or US may vary
Thank you so much for this video
Most welcome 😊
So Deitpi would be the best choice for pi zero?
As its build on Linux Debian then yes DeitPi would be your best bet for running normal Raspberry Pi Linux software.
Have you seen a version of the HAT that also has wifi?
Should also mention that the added ports don't add extra bandwidth. They all share the same USB2 data path on the Pi Zero.
Could you not just use the raspberry pi zero w and then add on the ethernet hat? I doubt there is such a hat that you are talking about
@@termile510 I could (and I will) but the W only has 2.4g Wifi. I have a Pi Zero and I'm curious if has better communications with this board and a Wifi\Bluetooth USB dongle.
@@bosahvandenberg Alright I see. I think maybe a usb dongle may in theory work, given that it is powerful enough. However I've seen some videos on youtube where people have soldered a more powerful wifi antenna to the pi. I can link one of those vids to you in a seperate reply - hopefully that is a potential solution for you.
@@termile510 I have seen those as well. I'm not going near anything delicate with my soldering skills :).
Really, this is a curious question I would like to investigate. I will likely have all the pieces in a week or two to test this in practice.
We'll see. It will likely not represent an earth shaking difference.
Thanks for the responses. :)
@@bosahvandenberg No problem! I hope all goes well for you and your pi! :D
Can you 'Tails OS' -ify RiscOS? Like give it amnesia, so nothing is ever written to the disk (just stored on RAM). So after use, nothing is left on the disc. (Journalism tool).
You should get a real soldering iron. Will make like much easier for you.
....yeah.... I know .........
I do not know if I am the only one, although I am subscribed to the channel this video didn’t show up in my subscriptions and I only found it as a suggestion.
I think youtube is having some issues with notifications to be honest, as the viewer uptake on this video has been a little slow.
Best bet if you can is to follow @wifisheep on twitter as I always tweet out new channel content.
Chris...make sure you click the bell next to subcribe as well. You should get notified. Not a guarantee though...I've missed a couple of videos from other you tubers in the past ..the wonders of you tube
@@WiFiSheep do another 1 suggesting the pi4 is imperfect :D
The 2nd gen Zero is actually usable as a desktop. Mine's just puttering along as a PiHole.
Thank you for this!
No worries!
is there some proper media player like vlc media player for risc os? also, what softwares does it offer? i am really into risc os.
Hi not as such RISC OS Direct comes installed with a number of video and audio players which work to a certain level. As yet VLC has not been ported over to the platform but I am pushing for it to be at some point.
The RISC OS eco system has a large number of native apps that so similar things to more well known Office and open source software. Some titles such as DOSBOX and Netsurf which are known on other OS's are preloaded onto Direct. CAD software, word and office suites, programming tools and paint apps are included on the stock RISC OS Direct build as default.
Glad to hear your liking RISC OS! Stick with it updates are on the way!
@@WiFiSheep thx :D
Dam impressive for such a tiny inexpensive computer. How well does the pi0 handle RUclips video?
Not well is my answer... The linux builds will run RUclips, but your not going to get 1080p out of them, RISC OS Direct although much faster overall, cant run RUclips or any video 'in browser' as yet. So when it comes to media content you cant really win :-/
Armbian has made new kernels and builds that work VERY well on those (better power setting and cpu clock configurations to keep heat down)...however the Orange Pi H2 and H3 processors run hot hot hot...you need heatsinks on the processors and/or active cooling
Also look into putting ZRAM/ZSWAP and log2ram packages on there...it increases available ram by compressing it giving the rPi ALOT more available resources (and less writing to the SD card) that are limited due to it being a SBC
Thanks for the info! I will take another look at some point!
I'd love to see you do some videos on RISC OS on the Pi Zero. How to get it going, etc. I'll look to see if you already have. That looks incredibly handy. Have You made any progress with networking? Pi Zero W and Risc OS could make some amazing devices
Can the Pi Zero be clustered like the Pi 4 ? Can Bluetooth be added?
If your using Linux based OSs then the Pi Zero W which is a little more expensive ($12 - $19 range) has Wi-Fi and Bluetooth build-in as standard. And yes ive seen rigs that allow Pi Zeros to be used in clusters, Although ive never done it myself.
hi i have a raspberry pi 0 wh and tv hat, is it possible to install the lightweight software? is everything recognized?
Hi, So the linux builds such as Diet Pi will require the drivers and software to be installed, but this will be no different to normal Raspberry Pi OS. You may find some additional libraries will need installing as well.
RISC OS sadly not..... as very little Pi HAT hardware works with the OS, being its own raw ARM OS it dose not have unix or linux onboard so cant run most of the required hardware drivers such as for tv hats.
Did you manage to get the Ethernet to work with RISC OS, Tom? Maybe Waveshare used a different USB hub/Ethernet chip on that HAT that isn't supported?
No not as yet, your most likely right about the chip set, although the TCP stack is due to be replaced in RISC OS shortly so hopefully that might help make the OS more compliant.
Can I put RISK on my core i3 laptop and will it work ok with general internet use ?
Hi you can but not natively as RISC OS requires an ARM processor. However if your running Linux or Windows you can emulate RISC OS on top under a 13 x86 processor.
For windows there are even some easy start installers for a classic Acorn 3.x OS or a port of RISC OS Direct www.marutan.net/rpcemu/easystart.html
You wont quite get the modern performance of a Raspberry Pi as the RPCEmu emulates older 90's ARM chipset but it should run well enough and is useable.
The emulator is configurable for network and internet use, as long as the host OS is connected and online. Beware internet and networking lacks on RISC OS being stuck in the mid 90's. So modern social media or youtube is out :-/
@@WiFiSheep Ok thanks I won't bother , I'll stick with Linux.
Ok no worries, Yeah its a very fast, fun , retro 'toy' OS for the Raspberry Pi or older ARMs but your not going to do anything serious with it, not in the 2020's !
Is there ALSA support on RISCOS RaspberryPi?
No, sadly not, RISC OS is its own system hard coded and complied in ARM assembler, as such common drivers as seen on Linux or Unix systems are mostly not cross compatible.
Hi this tutorial convinced me to buy it but when I plug it in it has power(red light on the hat and green light on to pi0) but when I plug in the keyboard and mouse it does not have power(the mouse doesn't turn on and keyboard doesn't work) do you have any suggestions that might help it? thanks
Hmm? The Pi Zeros can be a bit funny about power consumption. We have to remember they are built on the original Pi 1 architecture which was very sensitive to power issues.
1) Make sure the keyboard your using is not an Apple branded one or one that has built in USB hubs as these draw to much power.
2)Try using the pi from a clean power source if your using a mains plug extension cord, try to limit what else is plugged in.
3) And most likely the issue.... your power supply is to weak. I was using a Raspberry Pi 3 PSU in this video which gives out more amps You need to run at 5V 2.0amps minimum. Some older Pi power supplies or phone charges give out less then 2.0amps, this will cause you major issues.
4) Make sure your running the latest version of your chosen Pi OS
5) If your still having issues contact the seller of your board or Wave-share as it might have an issue
I did this video totally off my own back so are in noway associated with the products, sellers or manufactures.
Hope that helps
@@WiFiSheep thank you it now works
No worries Zarrar, pleased you got it working :-) Thanks for commenting!
So tell me, where can i buy a rpi zero for $4!? Never seen a seller that comes near this figure..
In 2015 the pi Zero released for $4 / £4 . This video is now a few years old and inflation and price rises + new more expensive versions such as the Zero W and now as of 2021 the Zero 2 W have been released.
So the current 2021 price for the PI Zero original is
£ 4.80 which works out at $6.56 US if you can get hold of stock and excludes shipping / tax etc
Pi Zero $5, ethernet hat $10, SD Card, $10, Power supply antoth $10. So Pi zero is a $35 Descktop computer. Still cheap ut if you need the ethernet id consider a Pi 3 for $5 extra you get a little more power and a few ports. The Pi Zero works out Cheap when you dont need to add any hats to it. Lastly the Pi Zero with wifi and bluetooth is more like $20 with no ethernet. When chosing the Pi Zero dont use it based on cost use it bassed on space and or low power needs, then it shows its strenght.
We have to bare in mind the video was made a little while ago and global commodity prices have shifted in that time. I think you've hit the main issue with Pi Zero on the head when the setup cost of all the parts gets you into Pi4 territory. So Pi Zero has always had a slight 'false economy' element to it.
The main purpose of this video was a 'can you do it' rather then 'should you do it'. And I think the results were interesting and worth doing...
Basically its nice for RISC OS with al its flaws and problems to win something for once! LOL
So would you say Pi zero with Riscos direct enough to run pi hole ?
As RISC OS is not Linux and Pi Hole requires Linux I dont see how RISC OS could run it TBH
this is one of the down sides of the OS it cant ran the normal Pi Software or hardware which is mostly Linux derivative.
RISC os reminds me of the old Amiga workbench.
Yeah its heritage is from that late 1980's era and its carried a far amount of things though. Its more like workbench over say Apple System 7x or Windows 3.x / 95 of the time
A really brief history is here ruclips.net/video/ecy0IXZt8BE/видео.html as part of our RISC OS Direct video series.
Ima probably use risc os as i dont have wifi or the stuff to add it i mainly got it for random stuff, but. Can it run minecraft
Hi, RISC OS is great for the older or slower Pis as I showed in this video.
However it sadly dose not have a port of Minecraft and is unlikely ever see one...
However RISC OS Direct is setup for 32- 26/16 and 8 bit gaming, coming with emulators and some shareware and licensed retro games all for free. Please see episode 3 of our RISC OS Direct Video series for more info: ruclips.net/video/OjyCOj_WEOU/видео.html
@@WiFiSheep there is a Linux port for Minecraft pocket edition know as Minecraft pi edition I was wandering if that would be able to run also I have a quick suggestion
Could it be possible to add a force hdmi as in my setup it doesn't work without it as currently I'm stuck with pi os as it's the only full feature os with that feature than runs ok
RISCOS is not linux or linux compatible so any software would need to be recompiled from source, and im assuming the Minecraft pocket edition is not open source? Any even if it is, it would have to work with RISC OS's video and GPU drivers which again are not linux despite this all running on the same hardware chipset.
As for forcing HDMI this can be set up identically to how the stock PI OS works by modifying the config.txt file. AS under RISC OS there is no Nano terminal editor, its quicker to put the boot SD card in a PC / MAC or other desktop Linux system and edit the config.txt file using a text editor, with the same syntax and commands as you would for linux on the Pi.
The Config.txt file is set up a little different for RISC OS but you can simply add your force HDMI statements to the file. This has to be done manually as RISC OS dose not have linux / unix style raspi-config menu but all syntax and commands can be found on the Pi foundation web site: www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt
@@WiFiSheep my mistake I guess lol I thought it was based of Linux as most pi operating systems are
How does this do with RUclips videos and movies?
Not great.... RISC OS 5 cant run any web based youtube. The linux builds can, but your not going to get very high definition or frame rate. It'll work and some videos will be better then others but it wont compare to a full desktop or even a faster Pi. Saying that even the Pi 4 cant to 4k and reports have suggested it struggles with 1080p on youtube.
Something very important developers should know.
The Raspberry Pi Zero has Arm V6.
That is a very old and now fairly unsupported version.
@@another3997 - unfortunately, that is not how the rest of the volunteer software dev community works. but a popular platform will help keep some apps supported on the v6.
Does it work with a raspberry pi zero w?
Hi Yes, it should work fine with all versions of the Pi Zero.
Only thing to be aware of it RISC OS Direct cant use the Pi Wifi at all. The Linux OSs shown should be able to. Although Diet Pi may require the manual installing of wifi drivers. Raspian AKA Raspberry Pi OS will work fine out of the box but will be slow to use on the Pi Zero
It really annoys me that everyone advertises the pi zero at $5, or $8 australian. Yet the cheapest I can find, before shipping, is $18 australian, over double the cost.
Yes, as I replied to another comment (I think on this video?) the Pi Zeros are cheap but also false economy at the same time, as you rightly point out by the time you've bought all the extras to make a working system your almost in Pi3 or Pi4 money.
This video was more a 'could you?' rather then a 'should you?' concept.
@@WiFiSheep oh, no, i was talking about just the pi zero. I eventually found a pi zero for $9, its just nobody stocks them, only zero wh's, which cost $20 here :(
The pi 4 2gb is aud$67!
Thats not a kit. Thats just the base machine. Electronics are always overpriced here, and its so frustrating to hear other countries get them cheap.
However, making your arduino nano 8bit IS going to be cheap, so thats gonna be fun
Seems a lot of work in
I think you could view it more as a 'proof of concept'. Quite a few things in 'Hobby' computing are done more out of 'because we can' rather then having a practical point.
Does RiscOS support these from Pimoroni. It includes 3 USB ports and an Ethernet port. I'd expect more people with PiZeros would have one of these already.
shop.pimoroni.com/products/usb-multi-function-lan-adaptor
Yes USB / CAT5 based adaptors like those appear to work fine with RISC OS
HAHA
2020 --> *4$*
2022 --> *100$*
Yes the prices these days (if you can even get hold of them) is shocking!
They are such a ball ache and cost a fortune with accessories.........where-as i got a new Android smartphone for a FIVER on boxing day. It can run LINUX by using free apps from the play store........put it together with a new 5 dollar VR headset off ebay bundled handheld Blutoothe controller.........it becomes a very powerful computer.
How do you use the VR? For desktop use? Or gaming? Just curious.
@@another3997 well...bluetoothe mouse and keys......solves that.
THe VR headset is better than any monitor......costs a fraction of it....
The computing experience is better than one could really believe..........at mere mere fractions of expenditure
............great Learning off the World Wide Web.