5 Myths about Israel and the War in Gaza (Episode
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- Released: January 29, 2024
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I agree with you about Islam and thank you for your podcasts which I enjoy. As an Iranian, I can say most people in Iran are very different from the picture many people have in mind about them. I agree that 40 years ago they were more brain-washed, but nowadays, the number of jihadists and extremists is very few among Iranians, most of them are peaceful and they resent Hamas and their barbaric acts. Just wanted to mention that the Iranian government is different from the people. It has been many years that Iranian people have been fighting against the government that has taken them hostage for these years. Most of us actually feel deep sympathy towards Israelians who now have hostages in Hamas's hands and stand with them.
Most Muslims are not the problem and peaceful! But if 25% that are not, are a BIG problem. They do need to be addressed ASAP
Judaism is where Islam gets its violence from. The torah and talmud also command the believers to murder and rape, and as we see both abrahamic zealots currently follow those orders- except harris only has concern for one of these groups of zealots
Do you think it's unpreventable that our countries will clash ? 😢. I have many Iranian friends from previous student exchanges, and am aware of the sentiment of the people vs the government. I love them very much. Some of them even tole me straight up Iran must eventually be dealt with. I can't imagine how painful it must to speak of your own country in such terms. Is there no hope of a peaceful change of regime in your opinion?
I wish I could say the same about Pakistan too. It has been state propaganda since 1980 in Pakistan it is default position of everyone. Our government and people are pretty much on same page. Just condemning H*m*s once and then focusing all attention on Is*ael alone is not enough. Why don't they call back Pakistanis who work in Qatar or any country that funds H*m*s? Why don't they boycott all Arab countries that support them? Why only boycotting Is*ael? Why was there criminal silence for first 3 to 4 days when attack began even though videos were circulating all over the internet? And millions of them only took to the street as soon as Israel began its action?
Edit: I just wanna say Sam Harris is one of the few intellectuals who sees how much religion has to do with all of it. I have ordered his book End of Faith which is supposed to arrive this week.
“…he does not mention Israeli settlements on the West..” How can Israel be a “colonizer” of its own land?
Under international law the principle of _Uti Possidetis Juris_ all of the land within Mandatory Palestine which was agreed to by the League of Nations in 1922 belongs to Israel.
Don’t understand that legal concept? There’s another way to view ownership.
When the 1948 war concluded with an armistice the Jordanian army controlled the West Bank, and two days later Jordan annexed the land. In 1967 Jordan attacked Israel, lost, and Israel took control of the land. While it is a violation of international law to acquire land as the aggressor in a war, it is not illegal to do so as a victim of aggression.
Could someone pls do a 45 sec version of this for Tiktok preferably with a dancing half dressed influencer so it reaches the smart kids in Harvard?
That's a great business idea! 😅
Great comment
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sadly, even woke harvard people are more level headed about this topic than sam harris is
This is the most concise, well spoken and accurate description of the conflict, leaving very little to be debated. I literally agree with every word.
Very tidy indeed, easy because Sam fails to mention anything about the origins of Isreal, please watch 1948: Creation and Catastrophe, free on RUclips. And this is the way we all have been brainwashed into thinking Isreal is just defending itself. They have been the aggressor from the start and it was a bad deal that is finally falling apart completely. Learn the actual history, not the propaganda, and certainly not Sam's smart but myopic anti-jihadist line. As Sam himself here says, there are many contributing factors that make up a conflict, but he is not even allowing the basis for this conflict which begins with a Zionist campaign that was exactly terrorism from the get go, look up the 1946 bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in which 91 people were killed, it was organized by Menachem Begin as Israel’s prime minister. Begin was only the first of the continuous right wing Zionists who are frank exponents of Jewish supremacism and who continue to rule Israel right this minute. I have used Sam's waking up ap for 3 years now, and I will not be renewing it again. I love all the guests he has on, but I can find them elsewhere. I find his guided meditations to be as strident as his thinking on this very critical moment of crisis. He has a lot to offer in criticizing Jihadism and nothing to offer in criticizing this other "lunatic ideology" which the US government backs.
How do you reason with a group that sees paradise down the barrel of a gun? You don’t. You can’t.
Right? Israel does not relent in it's violence.
I want to watch a debate between a Rabbi and Imam that would allow for mockery of the other's theology
@@Dare.Bear.X Cute! But false and if you don’t understand that then that’s on you. Dare you to actually read history.
How do you reason with a groups that it's leadership resides in Qatar which is the main US ally in the region ? 😅
You mean like Zionist settlers?
Only one thing I would disagree with you on. The real "leaders" of Hamas or Hezbollah do not live in Gaza or Syria, nor are they willing to sacrifice themselves for the cause of jihad. They live in Qatar or London, or Iran, a dozen places far, far from the fighting, where they can "call the shots" but suffer none of the consequences. They call for martyrdom of their followers, while living lives of luxury in their adopted homes. If those counties that hide these monsters were to seize their wealth and send them to Gaza to be part of the mass slaughter of its citizens, I wonder how long these calls for martyrdom would last.
Let them fund UNRWA. The Egyptian Yasser Arafat amassed $1Billion from his grift, pretending to fight for liberation.
it doesn't matter - they playing you. doesn't matter if the political leadership is there and the militant leadership is there. they all think the same and work toward the same evil goal
I'm sorry, but are you talking about Israel or the Palestinians?@@explore-n
clearly the palastinians. their corruption is known around the world. on the same level of curruption in iran and russia@@dougmorrow746
It's not like the prophet Muhammad volunteered to martyr himself for his cause.
He got suckers to do that for him.
Sam mentions the fact that a Jewish doctor saved the life of the leader of Hamas what he doesn't mention is that doctors nephew was murdered by Hamas on October 7th and whats left of his body taken into Gaza. RIP Tamir Adar ❤
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Oh my goodness...
or that that he would've seen thousands of palestinian civlians, many having never gone through due process, tortured and mutilated in isreali prisons. Harris is out of his mind. This conflict goes back way before jihadism, and Israel is commiting actual genocide live on tv
Shouldn't this be an example of the intentionality of extreme Islam? I'm struggling with understanding if a majority of the world - which includes non-Muslim supporters - is just plain bad or stupid. It's as if they cannot be reasoned with for the sake of a better world.
I feel embarrassing grateful when I hear informed & intelligent people outside of Israel who give any support at all to sane analysis. THANK YOU.
There's more of us than the propaganda war run by Iran and Qatar might make it seem
Sam, you truly are the most coherent, concise, knowledgeable voice in the world. If only 2 billion Muslims could hear and absorb your message the future would look a lot brighter than it does today
Categorising 2 billion people as a homogenous unit? Sounds a little discriminatory if I'm being honest
@@HaggardPillockHD No, he is not doing that.
@@Fomites who do you mean by "he"?
I am an Ex-Muslim from the Middle East and I agree with every word Sam Harris said. I want to ask your followers from all over the world: Do you really realize the danger of Islam? Or is there a state of ignorance that makes people not know what Islam is and consider it just one of the religions... and that extremism is just a few dozen fanatics... I live in the Middle East and I know that the 2 billion Muslims have a cancerous belief in dealing with the world. ..I do not know if the world is aware of the danger of this, whether politicians or people
We only realised when your mother's womb got full of dirt 😎
I think so much of it is the West's evolution into religious tolerance which makes them believe they are being politically correct though they are truly being intimidated.
@liberalegypt, I am an atheist, also from the Levant. You are absolutely correct, and I wish more people were aware of the agenda of world domination that Islam has always propagated. If one is a true believer of Islam, one has to embrace Jihad, and it's all downhill from there. I wish there were 2 billion non-religionists who understood that. There are a lot of westerners who are dealing with white guilt, who divide the world into oppressor and oppressed, just by color of skin or place of birth. There is so much ignorance, it is depressing. The extremists of Judaism mirror Hamas, but there are fewer of them - as yet. Let's hope their numbers remain small. Thank you for speaking truth.
@@NothingButGoodStuff "There is so much ignorance, it is depressing."
I bitch about this all the damn time!
It is the double-edged sword of preventing hate speech. It is valuable when trying to prevent the demonizing of people who do no harm to others, but it also prevents demonizing actual demons.
This entire episode is gold. Thank you. As someone whose family was kidnapped by Hamas, you bring common sense to a complex problem.
" The first time the phrase “human animal” was recorded in history was by himmaliar, in The Posen speech to SS officers (6 October 1943) - On the 7th, it is crucial to understand that there were no direct attacks on civilians, only collateral damage. Out of the 1148 total names on haaret dataset, 473 military and 675 were civilians.
Ratio of civilians to military personnel killed on the 7th was 1 . 4 : 1 - lower than any of the iTf "mowing" operations, which has a ratio of 7 : 1
According to UN OCHA data from 2008 to 2022; The collateral damage on the 7th was significantly lower than any of the ITf "mowing" operations, which had a ratio of 7:1 with 1,023 military personnel out of 6,541 total. On the 7th, with 473 military (418 were iTf military personnel, 55 belonged to the police) out of 1148 total, the ratio of civilians to military personnel was a mere 1.4:1
When including all casualties, not just deaths, the collateral damage ratio of the "mowing" operations is a staggering 162:1
From the 161,233 accumulated civilian casualties over only 14 years of "mowing" operations.
A 162 :1 ratio means that for every 162 civillians, 1 military personnel is a casualty. The 7th had a ratio of 1.4:1, more than a hundred times lower.
The 473 are - 55 soldiers, 13 privates, 59 corporals, 200 sergeants (45 of whom were sergeant majors), 48 commanders, 32 lieutenants, 5 lieutenant colonels, 6 colonels, 37 officers, 10 inspectors, 6 intendents, and 2 Lance Corp. This was a military defeat, and they are taking it out on the rest.
The reported ages of the victims are as follows:
0-4: 2 civilians
5-12: 8 civilians
13-17: 14 civilians
18-25: 132 civilians
26-40: 119 civilians
41-60: 55 civilians
61+: 40 civilians
Active duty military personnel:
18-25: 258 active duty military personnel
26-40: 60 active duty military personnel
41-60: 17 active duty military personnel
61+: 1 active duty military personnel
haaretz datasheet titled title: xsraxl's Dead: The Names of Those Killed in Hxmxs Attacks, Mxssxcres and the xsrxel-Hxmxs Wxr
There is a more detailed report of of oct 7th titled "I scrapped the information about 1096 of the 1460 killed on 7th of October Attack. Children Less than 1%"
-Yocheved Lifshitz account - 'they treated us well'
-Yasmin Porat account - 'i.T.f kxilled my husband'
Civilians were taken to have swaps for the civilians rotting in prisons without charge on the other side. An excess of ten thousands, all before the seventh
UN Human Rights Office (UN OCHA) PA Civilians 2008-2023:
2008 - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440.
2012 - 3,992 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 255.
2014 - 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492.
2018 - 31,259 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 300.
2019 - 15,491 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 138.
2020 - 2,581 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 30.
2021 - 19,183 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 349.
2022 - 10,345 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 191.
2023 up to September - 8,508 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 227.
civilian deaths on the other side -
2008: 3 , 2012: 6 , 2014: 73 , 2018: 9
2019: 10 , 2020: 0 , 2021: 9 , 2022: 26
Total; 2008 up to September 2023 - 161,233 PA Civilian Casualties, 1,023 military personnel.
Wounded includes: amputees from the deliberate targeting of knees by snipers, white phosphorous third degree body burns, etc
The "Costs of War" study by brown in 2021 has these figures for the past 20 years of engagement of US policy: indirect deaths 4.5-4.7 million, direct 905-940,000 ; in other words 6 Million Deaths and 38 million displaced. This is relevant because of the Yinon Plan.
Holocaust denial doesn’t prove that the Holocaust didn’t happen, it only shows that you deny facts with your fake news. Denying the barbaric nature of the crimes of the Muslims of Gaza is the same.
🙏 for your family, I can’t imagine. I agree, 100%. People need to educate themselves because they won’t get it from the MSM.
@@mznxbcv12345you must be an accountant, you can do anything with statistics and get your information from any source. Propaganda!
@@mznxbcv12345 Hamas are classified as terrorists, how can anyone defend them?
I worked at the UN for several years in the peacekeeping and security area. The UN is system of Agencies and organisations, some of which do great work to foster cooperation between countries on issues as diverse as international post to nuclear safety. However, large parts of it that are concerned with peacekeeping, promoting security and the delivery of services to refuges, displaced people and those in fear of starvation of endemic illness have become highly politicised and deeply cynical and corrupt organisations. Anyone who has worked at the UN for any length of time knows that UNRWA is by far the most compromised Agency. I have no idea how many UNRWA staff in Gaza are active Hamas operatives - that is those who will fire a rocket or use a rifle or RPG. However, that huge numbers of the UNRWA staff in Gaza actively support Hamas's campaign of violence against Israel is well known.
Thank you
Holy cow a voice of reason! There are so many points of truth you have made very clear. I cannot even count the number and importance. You have hit the nail on the head of reason and investigation of these facts. You have reasoned out so successfully these points to perfection. I'm going to listen again. Thank you for your voice. You truly have much to say to a society which is bent upon the destruction of itself. I think about what Golda Meir said in 1957, "Peace will come when Arabs love their children more than they hate us." You need a bigger platform sir! If you are not on Telegram think about it. Sincerely refreshing!
Sam Harris says the difficult topics out loud without apology. This is the ONLY way we can have an honest, productive conversation.
Totally agree!
so many things he said are untrue, sadly.
"People only hear what they want to hear"
@@sketsakafit3733 If that is true, then it should be easy for you to give some examples.
yes, not matter if it Jihadism, Wokeism, Trumpism, Vaccination Skeptics... Sam is there to address boldly!
@@mrrecluse7002 ok, one example: He said that israel dont commit genocide because Gaza's population is not decreasing but rather increasing, from 250.000 (1948) to 2.5 million something (today). But do you know why there is a surge in Gaza's population? It's turns out isn't caused by increase in Palestinian's birthrate, but its because they are refugees. Gaza residents are displaced people from other regions of Palestine such as Jerusalem, West Bank, or other villages that got ransacked and taken over by either israeli armed settlers or expelled by the IDF. So it's clearly genocide and ethnic cleansing.
All people of the free world should hear this episode
What, so they can fooled by this clown Sam Harris?
Can you point out what was wrong of what Sam said?
@@jacksonrauch9429The only thing an ad hominem convinces people of is that you don't have a substantive argument.
@@BassByTheBay at this point, if you dont know the truth about the middle east, you must be avoiding it. so, accusing somebody of not having a substantive argument is disingenuous right at the start. when you start off with that, we all know what you are.
@@TheMadmacs If you were trying to exemplify my point, you've succeeded.
Thank you for being a voice of truth and reason.
As Israeli Druze (ex arab - i dont consider myself arab anymore, because this term was forced upon us minoorities in the middle east by arab colonizers from the arabian peninsula) thank you for sharing this video. This is well understood by us Israelis, Druze, Christians, Muslims, Beduins and Jewish Israelis but we are not great at explaining this. My family had lived in modern day North Israel for over 1000 years, as druze our ancestors teach us that they always lived along jews and until the ottoman empire where a muslim majority rule, there was fairly peaceful times and collaboration among jews, Christians, Druze.. it's islam subjection of all minorities to live us second class citizens that brought much of the suffering. Arab colonization is not well thought in the west and not at all in muslim countries.
@@tamhiker1 what a croc. Over 2m arabs living well in Israel.
@@tamhiker1 As I wrote, they are living well.
@tamhiker1 let me tell you something, 1. I won't let anyone tell me how to self identify. Our druze community won't let overlord muslim arabs control how we see ourself. The title arabs was bestow on us a subjection/colonization. There is a term for Arab colonization.. it's called Arabization! I say no more! If the middle eastern jews managed to decolonize themselves from being looked as arabs! So will we the druze people.
2. As an israeli Druze, jewish Israelis are not our enemy, our villages often are as close as 1-2 km from jewish villages and towns and they never attack us, they never force anything upon us, they live among us in peace and don't ask us to convert or be subjected to their way of lives the way muslims always trying to convert everyone to islam or arabization. The jews let us be, as they let the Christians and Muslims villages within 5 KM to us alone. This is why jews all over the world is 15 million, no history of oppressing and force converting others. How do you think islam expanded? Do you know basic islam history? Let alone arabazing native indigenous groups like druze by arabs. Zero respect to others, yet tell themselves their a religion of peace. Only peaceful Muslims I know live in israel and are good people with no desire to convert the rest of us to islam. The same cannot be said about fundamental islamist in Iran, Lebanon, Gaza, etc.
3. I live in a town in North israel, where my ancestors have lived for over 1200 years, we live on a mountain overlooking Lebanon, when Islamist Hezballah shoot rockets into Israel that fly to our village, they don't consider that these rockets fall on Druze, chirstain, jewish or Muslim towns. And often the only thing between our homes and ancient towns built thousands of years ago being destoried by islamist rockets is israeli technology and israeli soliders risking their life to protect all of us. So weather israeli jews fully see me as an Arab or not, I can guarantee you they will 1. Not treat me differently to how they treat themselves. 2. Risk their own life to protect my home, my small children and my elderly parents. You need to understand that 99% of the media you are seeing online is either Qatari propaganda or American propaganda. On the ground, day to day, the reality is very different. 99% of minorities including Muslim beduins in israel, support Israel. And are as much part of israeli society as jewish.
@@tamhiker1 I misunderstood your last response. Those in the west bank are living horrifically. If you want to blame Israel for that then there really isn't much to discuss. I'll just point out that I don't know what Israel could do in light of the fact that the only goal of the "Palestinians" since 48 (and really, even before that) has been to rid the entire region of Jews. They have been pretty clear about that in words and in action. So what can Isreal possibly do? And by the way, my original comment was to yours about Israelis seeing the OP as an Arab and the implication that he was somehow subordinate. Its still a croc.
@@tamhiker1 I don't mean this to be condescending but is awareness of this conflict fairly new to you? The Pals have rejected two state solutions over and over again. As mentioned before, their goal is to rid the region of the Jews. Even when given the ability to govern themselves (there hasn't been a Jew in Gaza since 2006)....well, you saw the results in Gaza. They took the billions they received in foreign aid and instead of growing their economy and building infrastructure, they built terror tunnels and terrorists. The reason they live the way they do is twofold. 1. They are a certain security risk for Israel. If you can't see that then you are willfully ignoring reality. 2. Their ability to get responsible leadership in place has never come to fruition; beginning with Arafat and down through the years. "There will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us" - Golda Meir. Hasn't happened yet.
Thank you for keeping me sane Sam. Some days its all can do to stop myself from weeping openly at the ignorance and hypocrisy which is taking over.
Sam…It’s a shame that you squandered an opportunity to inform your audience, and instead volunteered to be a propaganda, puppet for misinformation, provided by a foreign government. The right side of history is never on the side of the oppressor. without understanding the imbalance of power, the illegal status of Israel’s 75 year occupation of Palestinian territory, and an understanding of centuries.
You need to recalibrate your moral compass. Justifying the murder of children and an absurdly high civilian death rate as “urban wear warfare”, is straight from the Zionist propaganda talking points. Shame on you. Suggesting that this Hass to do with religion is proof you have absolutely no understanding of hundreds and nearly 1000 years of amicable relations between the Muslim and Jewish communities. Zionism is a colonial political ideology. If you don’t believe me do your research on what the original name was. Judaism is a beautiful religion that is intentionally conflated with a barbaric political ideology to insulated from criticism and accountability. Like all humans, Palestinians have the right to live free or die trying. international law afford this right to all humans, including Palestinians. Over 13,000 children have been murdered with our taxpayer dollars, over 7000 women have been murdered and over 80% of Palestinian civil infrastructure has been demolished. The suggestion that this has anything to do with a clash of civilizations and religious ideology is laughable. Kindergarten level research would have proven that even Christian and Jewish Palestinians are part of the resistance movement Determined to end the 75 year oppression of Palestinians. They will live free or die trying. In case you forgot, Mandela was also a terrorist, according to the apartheid state, trying to discredit him. the truth will prevail and as always, the right side of history will be on the side of the oppressed… Not the oppressor. Wake up.
Part of which is Sam's ignorance and hypocrisy.
So genocide is ok ?
@@twntwrs sounds like you got TDS buddy
@@bernardofitzpatrick5403 nope, hence Israel's response :)
Sam Harris- a beacon of moral clarity in this hour of darkness.
is that what you call support of war crimes
@@JewTube001 Your username makes me think you might be criticizing Israel for the wrong reasons, but Sam is indeed playing defense for Israel's war crimes.
LOL 🤣
You are deluded my guy,
Lol so many comments like this in every video I'm convinced he's got an army of bots
A thing of great beauty. Thanks for pulling all this together for everyone.
Again, thank you Sam Harris. For the clarity and comprehensiveness. I will be sharing this with decent people I know who have been very confused about the reality of this war.
Thank you for clarifying the definition of proportionality in war. Most people don’t seem to understand this
So if there is a known terrorist in a football stadium, do Israel bomb it? What about a busy cafe, apartment block, or a hospital, or a bus... Israel is not open about how it determines each situation. There's a line somewhere, and the equation does include body count...
Sam Harris doesn't understand it either after more than 10000 children killed and wounded by israel.
Anything to feel better about the 28,000 dead and 2,000,000 starving am I right? What about the IDF blowing up unoccupied UN built schools? The IDF destroying all Universities in Gaza. Completely leveling the North (literally every structure). What about the IDF shooting tank rounds at press in Lebanon killing 1 (caught on camera btw). The Numerous counts of IDF shooting innocent Palestinians simply trying to walk to the safe zones while holding white flags? Sam is a well spoken cleric who sits in his Ivory tower to speak sweet truths of nothingness in your ear. Nothing more.
Yeah it’s pretty good!
Clarification is when you get new information.
Yet this seems to be your position all along and Harris didn't change a thing
Sam, you don’t have nearly enough exposure. Your words need to be heard by hundreds of millions, not tens of thousands.
Not sure if this is a sarcastic slight but is funny if it is
@@andrewm4767it's not
@andrewm4767 what's sarcastic here? I can only see your comment with undertone.
@@peterhel1077 I’m sure every Zionist on earth is aware of Sam Harris- let’s not try and add anymore followers
@@LeoDeBrowne He might of lost all credibility and audience in the eyes of all conspiracy theorists who believe facebook posts and not medical professionals. It's only good thing they have their tin foil hat gatherings elsewhere.
It’s really creepy how what Sam says at the end makes me think of The Terminator. Here’s Kyle Reese describing the motivation of the Terminator to Sarah Connor: “It can’t be bargained with, it can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop - EVER - until you are dead.”
Replace “you are” with “Israel is” and voilà, we have a perfect analogy. Is Hamas a Terminator? Is the Terminator Hamas? Either way, Reese’s description of the four key factors of the Terminator’s motivation - (1) it can’t be bargained with, (2) it can’t be reasoned with, (3) it has neither pity, remorse, nor fear, and (4) it won’t stop until [Israel] is dead - are as true for Hamas as they are for a fictional remorseless killing machine.
Remember: Factors don’t care about your feelings.
Replace "It" with "Israel", and "you are" with "all Palestinians". There, fixed it for ya.
@@paulbuschman8318Bulldust
@@paulbuschman8318 20% of Israeli citizens are non-Jewish, mostly Arabs. They serve in government and all other parts of society. 0% of Gaza residents are Jewish. Now explain, how does your version fix it?
Brilliantly , clearly , simply stated .. i wish this podcast would be listened to by millions
8:46 - "Myth 1: Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza"
22:31 - "Myth 2: International humanitarian law requires that Israel's response to Palestinian aggression be 'proportional'"
29:56 - "Myth 3: The Jews are colonizers, and the Palestinians are indigenous people"
33:19 - "Myth 4: The atrocities committed by Hamas - along with over 1000 Palestinian civilians - on October 7th were a legitimate response to oppression"
35:41 - "Myth 5: The two sides in this conflict are equally civilized, equally entitled to respect, and equally worth protecting"
Thanks, no way I could have slogged through the stupid shit Sam was saying in this one.
please explain, I'm interested in the opposite view@@buddahluvaz8
It never ceases to amaze me how rude, nasty and dismissive people are on social media when someone presents an argument that challenges their own position. Small minds.
LMAO at the myth list.
yeah an opinion they have heard their whole life, that is no longer supportable by facts@@wombat6177
“In general, we are not talking about people who are part of the reality-based community.”
One day, I hope to be capable of half such diplomatic fluency when pointing out backward, iron-age religious zealotry.
In reality, who the hell are you talking about? To tell you the truth, i know many Muslims. In fact, i happen to be one. The truth to the problem are the Christians my friend, and all their #WhiteRinger friends. When you believe 1 man can be God, what's gonna' stop you from believing you're one too? Nothing! If you'd open your eyes, & think for yourself, you may begin to see the light. You've been manipulated all your life, and you can't tell the truth from a lie!
Although I agree, note that "the reality-based community" is a term from Jonathan Rauch's book which Sam discussed with him in the last podcast.
that would be the 3 man made religions in that area.
Sam is so far from reality it's crazy. But he's right that it's a clash of civilizations. The west is sinking fast as the east rises. That's reality. And it's a reality that beginning to steamroll due to the total incompetence of western leadership...
Sam is so far from reality it's crazy. But he's correct in calling the situation a clash of civilizations.
The free world should support evry country who's threatened by the jihadists and the radical islam.. I stand with Israel 🇮🇱
Ok let's play
Which world is free ? ICJ verdict debunked your nonsense
I agree. Israel is dealing with a fanatic group of Islamist Jihadists that believe in death than life as it guarantees them internal life in paradise is a dangerous cult. The free world must forget about their Muslim voters and stand with Isreal to
defeat this evil 😈!
@Redwood-sz9td provide proof . Waiting
If u stand with Israel . Kindly show yourself to be treated how Israel treats others .
As a Persian American, thank you for mentioning Iranian women. I feel sad and helpless for the people of Iran, and also the world really. Freedom and peace and compassion. Too much to ask?
What concerns me, as a citizen of Holland, is that not a single Muslim leader of any Islamic community in the world, not a single one, has condemned or opposed what happened. They all expressed anything from denial to support of it. The following pro-Palestine protests were exemplary enough of the support Oct 7th in those communities. This leads me to think that most, if not all, Muslims in our country will not make the right moral choice when it comes to choosing between our Western way of life and values to theirs. They're here only for the money they get from welfare, it seems.
Not only, they will conquer rudderless moral relativistic weak West.
The leader of Bahrain publically condemned Hamas. He also criticized Israel for their air strikes. But he certainly did not celebrate Hamas and was opposed to them.
I understand your concern.
Brother they will make a choice....and it won't be good for you.....
I think you are only here to state your right-wing, narrow-minded views. No wonder you yourself don't condemn Likud
Always refreshing to listen to Sam, we live in a world that we have made so much progress and many people still missing critical thinking.
Thank you.
Sam is a World Champion Pseudo intellectual.
Sammy The Pseudo Harris.
@@CP-nl2zbyou have 100+ comments on this channel, I assume they are all of the same character, you cannot be a real person.
Right. So hearing someone try to justify offing younglings as not evil in the first 10 mins of his video is refreshing to you?
@@CP-nl2zbpersonal attack with no actual commentary on the content. Is that really what you want to go with?
@@donnmckee4973is that what you heard? Because that's not really what he said.
This podcast says everything that has been rattling around in my heart since Oct. 7. Thank you Sam Harris!
So BEAUTIFUL. I cried as the antisemitism and the disinformation about Israel's motives to rid Gaza of Hamas is so full on in the UK where I live that hearing Sam Harris is like a reassuring hand on my arm.
Would it be antisemitic to blame Jews for this?
He is not alone speaking out about it
There are more
I had to send this to a few people. Man, what a bizarre world we live in now.
And Sam isn't inherently biased. He presents facts in an attempt to educate those willing to listen.
Strange times!
@@user-uq6bz1ri8j Unfortunately, his perspective is censored by the media. He hasn't gone to Palestine to find out for himself the truth.
@@user-uq6bz1ri8j And you have no arguments against him
@@user-uq6bz1ri8j I don’t know if ai agree that he’s not inherently biased. He is a Jew after all. I think he does a good job of staying consistent to his intellectual standards despite innate bias.
This needs to be a Netflix special
It's an understatement to say that Sam is saying the obvious. But don't tell this to Al Jazeera or Hamas
Or the majority of the international community condemning Israeli actions?
yet he ignores the atrocities comitted by the IDF labelling them "mistakes and poor judgement" and that war crimes will "eventually" happen..they have already happened.
@@inbox0000Can you say one thing that your community did wrong? It is shocking that you people have never own up to anything. Nothing is your fault. The rest of the world is ALWAYS at fault.
Any culture that is lacking in self-awareness self-reflection and self-criticism cannot prosper.
@@inbox0000 The key difference is that mistakes and poor judgement are inevitable, even with the best of intention, whereas the systematic and deliberate targeting of non-combatants, or pursuit of jihad/martyrdom are intrinsically detrimental.
There will always be isolated rogue actors (when there is sufficient tension as with this situation) and humans always make occasional mistakes and in war, that can have terrible consequences. To see the difference, consider Sam's point at the end about what the world would look like if each group had total power. If Hamas had total power, automatic genocide and/or enslavement of all Israelis.... Israel essentially has total military power, yet less than 1pc of Palestinians are dead in 6 months of war.
It's not obvious at all. Why would you say that. This perspective has been buried by a deluge of disinformation and propaganda coming from the Iran-Hamas axis.
And even without that nonsense, some of these details still wouldn't be obvious to people who do not know the history or follow the conduct relatively carefully.
Finally, someone said it without flinching. The reality is so terrifying that people are willing to believe anything, anything else; and, of course, blame the victim. Otherwise, we'll have to admit the truth and act on it. And that is too scary.
Blaming innocent Palestinian civillians for their own slaughter is pretty victim-blamey.
Israel certainly is the victim of the Oct 7th attack by Hamas. They are however, (and more importantly I would argue) the perpetrator of an occupation, blockade, illegal settlements, consistent murder and control over a 2,000,000+ indigenous population. One could quite easily make the argument that Israel has been doing EXACTLY what Hamas did on Oct 7th, but more discreetly and over the span of the last 60+yrs. The evidence is out there, but one has to be willing to look.
@@stickjohnny Where did you hear Sam blaming innocent Palestinian civillians?
This is a precise statement of reality. Thank you.
@@stickjohnnythey are not collectively to blame but bear a collective responsibility for their own government which is Hamas. I don’t know how this is any different from any orher people
Solo Sam Harris podcasts are always the best. Keep up the amazing work Sam 🔥.
@@KnowledgeSeeker-wi9sw Not at all the reason why. It’s because I can hear his whole thought process in as much detail as possible.
So fire! lol
"Solo Sam Harris podcasts are always the best." Not on this topic. The only people we've heard from so far on Making Sense are those who share his views. It just makes me wonder why Sam can't find an expert with a different perspective to debate with on this topic.
@@KnowledgeSeeker-wi9sw what specifically did he say you disagree with?
Cragjones, you'll never get a cogent answer, let alone a specific, from bankrupt trolls like "KnowledgeSeeker."
Gosh dang. I have been writing a sort of sloppy, disorganized dissertation for “fun” (for myself) since Oct. 7th. I’ve combed obsessively through articles and all manner of resources. It’s like 15 pages long and this absolute treasure of a podcast says everything I’ve written but in a succinct, articulate way. Thank you for putting this out there. The misinformation that has been spread and that is spreading about this topic isn’t just unfortunate, but potentially deadly. What’s gone on on U.S. campuses is pure lunacy.
This sounds so convincing to me. I have long noticed that non-fundamentalists (such as I used to be) mostly seem incapable of understanding the danger of fundamentalist mentalities. This is the most worrying aspect of the present situation.
Clarity and bravery, even when it's unpopular. Needed now more than ever. Thanks, Sam.
That’s such a dode shlarfing say nothing comment
@roopprabhu it was just a compliment, you over here expecting a full, profound deconstruction of the video in the RUclips comments? Lmao
@@fuzzybunnyluv to be honest, i personally wouldn't share this comment but fuck me are you right. can we please have less dick sucking of the content creator everyone? at least skim the surface and allude to whatever sam says that was "clear and brave". it honestly makes me think these are just bots or maybe its people who have something affirmed by the content creator and they just cant resist the dick sucking praise. this shit is everywhere - it's annoying, fawning, and you wouldn't be able to say it IRL without feeling cringe.
That is bravery like when an actress wears a specific dress to the Oscar’s- omg so brave! She totally pulled it off
Genocide supporter supports genocide supporter, how often does that occur?
thank you for not shying away from this
Come on now. He's never gonna miss an opportunity to air his Islamaphobia
" reciprocal savagery"....such a great phrase to illustrate the inanity of the term "proportional response"..
I know what you say about jihadists is not propaganda. How? Because I once was a religious fundamentalist. Fortunately my religion was anti war. But i longed to be a martyr as my one sure way of making it to paradise. I know how dangerous fundamentalist reigion is, let alone a violent one.
Fundamentalism is a Christian concept. There's a similar concept in islam but it is called Salafist Forgive me but ... If you were a to fundamentalist Christian, I am struggling to think of which denomination is anti-war. That's not a common feature in Christianity. Exception: Quakers.
I know no other religion that has any equivalent to fundamentalism.
@@RobespierreThePoof Islam and Christianity are not the only two religions in the world. Also, fundamentalism (small f) is not necessarily a Christian concept.
This was one of the most clear concise, comprehensive talks on a subject from sam since the black lives matter episode. Really good.
100% -pure one sided talking points- always good!
@@andrewm4767then go through each point and refute it with evidence. But you can’t, so you won’t.
@@raina4732 I could actually do a few and I’m nowhere near an expert on the topic-
@@andrewm4767 Do it then
It's because of people like Sam and Coleman that thousands of Muslims can be killed by the West without consequences in Iraq 91 and 2003 plus now in Syria, Yemen and Palestine.
Muslims have been k
murdered by the West for decades.
It is any wonder that they are slightly peeved lol.
But Coleman and Sam and Kon and other immoral scum still at like the victim.
What a strange world we live in.
Sam's gone from hero to zero, in my eyes. I've read all of his books and respected him as a highly intelligent atheist, but I have always wondered why Chomsky couldn't stand him. Now I know.
Very well thought out, informed and hard-hitting narrative. The 5 points perfectly illustrate the issues facing not just the mid-east, but the world at large. It's a battle between civilized societies and the death cults.
Sam is a true genius- best line was that pacifism wouldn't have worked against Nazi Germany- or in Gaza today..
Unfortunately Sam has failed to realize it is Israel that has acted, and continues to act, like Nazis.
How many data points would it take to make this man change his mind?
Ive been listening to him spout the same arguments since this began and it no longer washes. Yes i have a lot of respect for his stance against Jihadiism, but no i dont understand his refusal to reassess how Israel has behaved since their war on Gazans - not Gaza, not Hamas, but Gazans - began
Israel has a department of justice. in it there's an international law department. every army opperation has to be approved. IDF will defend Israel
Such clarity!
The most candid, clear discussion of this nightmarish situation.
Killing innocent children should never be ok, on either side.
Did you listen to the bit about intention? If you intentionally drove your car into a child vs you swerved a child and hit another child are very different acts. You're over simplifying the issue, as if no child is harmed by stopping the war, children will continue to die, intentionally, at the hands of hamas
clearly, this podcast went over your head.
Thats right the difference is that in israel we dont think its ok while the other side believe its a sacrifice for just cause
Deaths are tragic
But we don’t always get old fashioned Hollywood endings
where the hero talks the bad guy out of dropping the baby
off the terrace and then the bad guys slips off and plunges
to his death .
In reality the bad guy is about to throw 10 babies one at a time but though he is shot and dying he manages to throw one off.
@@HecticGlennthe irony is that analogy completely oversimplifies Israel’s past actions, present actions and, most importantly, indiscriminate killing of anybody in Palestine.
Sam,
This proves that your words do not shy away from any truth. This again shows that your voice is a necessary condition these days to keep reason on track. Please continue to spread your wisdom, even if it seems difficult sometimes. Thank you for showing clarity in a time of derangement❤️
There's no wisdom here. It is shocking that he has swallowed Israeli propaganda whole. He needs to get outside of the Zioinist bubble and the media whitewash in order to find out the truth.
It's amazing to see the sizable number of Harris listeners on this page who immediately stopped listening to him as soon as he took up this topic.
I looked at some of their other comments on his videos and it's very peculiar. They refuse to recognize the logical contradictions on their own views. Somehow, when its Israel, radical Islamists become freedom fighters to them.
It's very hard to understand how they don't recognize the flaws in their own thinking. And I'm struggling to find any explanation other than "the Iranian / Palestinian propaganda machine is very effective" or "is it latent antisemitic bias that keeps then from actually listening to Israelis?"
thank you for being you Sam Harris.
1 myth about Sam: He understands morality.
I appreciate your rational contribution to the dialogue Sam, thank you.
Israel is not intentionally trying to commit genocide but does not really care if their military repeatedly does commit acts that are consistent with it. Does Sam sincerely believe that Israel is taking measured and justifiable military actions in Gaza under a Netanyahu government? That position is pathetically glib
Nope.
Why does intent even matter if the act occurs?
@@MelbourneMeMe is that a serious question?
@@crodo123 Sure...
Netanyahu and his messianic fascist friends are the real problem. Many Israelis, especially those who volunteer to protect their people, have high moral standards. That's why measures are taken. That's why Yahya Sinwar was treated by Israeli doctors, who could have just killed him Some say, should have when they had the chance and he was under their scalpel. Israelis were raised on ethical values which the Netanyahu dictatorship has eroded for nearly 20 years. He is the real scourge. And his crazy wife Sarah.
hey, I'm commenting from inside Iran, ask me anything ... ?!!!
A few questions:
1. Does the Iranian population in general support israel? I see a lot of support from Persians outside of Iran but I'm not sure if that represents Iranians within Iran.
2. It seems like there's a people's uprising against the Islamic regime. Do you think they will succeed in overturning the government and putting another system in place?
3. Are you allowed unfiltered internet access there?
@@yehudagreenfield Hey, all the big questions. HAHA
- I'd say there is a huge support from inside Iran as well. However, you can't find people publicly expressing it for many reasons. The biggest one is the oppressive regime in Iran which bans all of that. I'm one of the supporters BTW, hope the war ends soon in favour of innocent people on both sides. If you read the history of relationships before the Islamic revolution, you will find out why there is a huge tie between Persians and Jews. and how the revolution ruined everything...
- True, there have been movements inside Iran against the autocracy for decades. I'm certain that big change will happen one day, the new generations are far more informed, educated and smarter. They give me the hope of a better future for Iran and the region. - The internet is heavily filtered, I'm using a VPN system providing me with an Australian IP so I can access social media etc.
Hope that info helps
Stay safe
@@majidjamili2157stay safe. Hope
You‘ll get rid of your oppressors.
@@domsnow6418 thanks mate, we are pushing ... :) !
I don’t always agree with Sam Harris, but this is brilliant. Verbal and moral clarity.
Dear Sam, Thanks for this clarity. Clarity has to have power, if so, yours is the clearest one of all clarity. I would just hope, you will act with the same clarity. Action by folks like you is needed, it's high time. Thanks again. ❤
Never seen such complete, fact-based, dispassionate and crystal-clear comments on the subject. Thank you.
Sam, I think this is your best yet. Very cogent. This needs to be widely understood.
Translations "Sam, I too support genocide and war crimes, and I feel less monstrous hearing your propaganda"
Thank you for articulating a critically important perspective that many in the west or so called global south fail or refuse to acknowledge. As someone who lives in Israel, yours is an important voice that we often fail to effectively express. We too have a small minority of crazies who tend to be loud, beyond the pale and are often seen, incorrectly as representing the majority of Israelis.
Why doesnt Sam debate Norman Finkelstein?
Because he would be destroyed by Finkelstein
Ahh, no, Finkelstein is a bargain rate thinkerr @@BroodallyHonest
@@mathish1477 The only thing Harris is good at is making religion look ridiculous. But, somewhere along the way, he developed a vendetta against Islam and Muslims, in particular. He's extremely biased.
@@BroodallyHonest or, he's just right and you don't like it.
@@mathish1477 No, he's a Jew who's got a soft spot for his heritage. He's blind to the atrocities of his own people
It would be lovely to see a debate between Sam and Norman Finkelstein.
Finkelstein is far more knowledgeable and intelligent. Where does Sam get his information? From Israeli lies and media propaganda.
He never would, Sam is a coward.
@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 What more needs to be said about Norman Finkelstein; this is a man who famously declared “We are all Hezbollah,” thus explicitly identifying himself with an organization dedicated to killing Jews and eradicating the Jewish state.
He questioned whether it is antisemitic to describe Jews as killers of Christ, a historically antisemitic accusation.
- He suggested that the number of Holocaust victims should be open to “statistical, scholarly questions,” a view associated with Holocaust revisionists.
And praised David Irving, a figure known for his Nazi sympathies and Holocaust denial. He referred to Irving as "a very good historian," even though Irving's claims were debunked in court, and his works were seen as providing support for far-right groups.
Indeed, what more needs to be said!
@@micahjohnsonboxing6409Norman openly celebrated the October 7th terrorist attack right after it happened. He’s a dumbass and a weirdo. Oh and he backed out of debate with Destiny
Sam would get absolutely wrecked
Im in love with your brain. So grateful for this Podcast..... Thank you Sam Harris. A BRILLIANT honest, genuine Mentch
Well said, the Palestinians could have won by being pacifists, that is why Israel admittedly promoted Hamas. Way to go Sam!
I'm a straight man but I LOVE Sam Harris! 💙
The man is a brilliantly clear thinker, rational and compassionate.
Hopefully Sam is an Everton fan!
Maybe Sam Harris can turn you out. Might be the one and only guy who could do it. Lol. Kidding.
It’d be interesting for Sam to discuss how, perhaps, many people can’t fully comprehend the threat of Jihad because they can’t allow in the heart of darkness, the base, bloodthirsty, demonic, savage, nihilistic psychological realms inhabited by Jihadists, can’t understand that “death cult” actually means death cult and isn’t some phrase meant to shock or boost a point. As Bob Dylan said, “See life from a fair garden and everything looks cheerful. Climb to a higher plateau and you'll see plunder and murder.” Does some portion of general anti-war sentiment come from an inability to have “negative capability”, to hold war and its horrors as sometimes inevitable, that practicing non-violence or being nice or fair cannot overcome real evils (I once believed like this)? Life has much light and so much beauty, yes. But there’s no doubt a shadow side, which’s mostly been Integrated and expressed by the poet, artist, or mystic, who fully accept angels AND demons without judgement. In order to really understand the reality Sam’s describing, is it necessary, on some level, to personally encounter some of the uncontrollable chaotic violent side, that heart of darkness within us all? Does this account for why people, notoriously afraid to feel things deeply, can’t wrap their mind properly around the phenomena of Jihad, and instead cling to a more superficial and palatable reading of currents events?
IMHO and with a background in child psychology (studies), teaching, professional astrology leading to karmic astrology and then onto Buddhism, my answer to you is "yes," it is necessary to "shine light on" our Shadow side, that is, what we do not want to face about ourselves (we also have in our Shadow good things, but this is not the discussion here). I quote Jung : "When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." This happens on an individual level and a collective level and because we live in the world of duality, there is good and evil and most of us are somewhere on this linear spectrum. I dare not write more here, but psychology, Jung and Jungian thought, art (poetry, writing, painting etc ), astrology (karmic astrology particularly), mysticism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Hermeticism etc... show the way. I wrote about a linear spectrum, but our spiritual evolution is spiral (just to complicate things). Would love to write more and what you have written is absolutely true. @PhenomenalWorld
You just basically described me before 10/7 so I'm inclined to answer all of this with a 'yes.' Naivety. But 10/7 - and the immediate reaction from people whom I thought were just like me - changed me. Big time. Rose-colored glasses are off for me and I've spent the better part of 3 months examining and firming up my moral red lines. I wasn't even aware I had them. But I think there's a lot of people out there who are going through the same process, silently. Sam's courage to speak up here when mostly everyone is afraid to is very admirable.
@@JuliaGooliaOnGoogle There is another expression that might give you comfort : "The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable". I enjoyed reading you because that is exactly what happened to me to and my own transformation because of this is far from over.
Jihad happens, I gross behavior, but it happens when European jews invade Arab land.
@@C.E.Thomas1952 you wrote more than enough
Thank you, Sam. You stand head and shoulders above the other podcasters. No one compares to you, your depth of understanding and your clear articulation of the situation. Your generosity in sharing this podcast is greatly greatly appreciated.
You're better checking out Ezra Klein for more insight
I would crush your boy Sam in a debate. He is an intellectual lightweight.
@@jmc5335lol. What a joke
@jackd6129 Klein has had some really impressive guests on regarding this subject. All of whom I would wager would shake their heads at the reductive nonsense Harris spouts from the get-go here.
@@jmc5335 successfully argue against 1 of his 5 points and I’ll give it a try
I have just one word to say: BRILLIANT! 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😊😊😊😊😊😊
Voice of Sam is very comforting. ❤
I don't know how any prominent Muslim would dare risk a charge of apostasy by attempting to publicly advocate for reform.
Thank you Sam! We need more people like you
I have read several of your books and always found them, not only making sense but also essential to forming a balanced opinion on the topics addressed by the books. I would love to join and be able to follow all your content, but as an Age Pensioner unfortunately cannot afford the monthly subscription fee.
I was very confused when I first began reading about the pro-Palestine movement along with the Israel perpetrator narrative, and ultimately what settled it for me was the historical polling statistics of Gazans. This is the clearest, most logically coherent commentary on the Israel-Hamas war that I've heard to date. Thank you Sam Harris.
Stumbled across this while responding to yet another Gaza ceasefire podcast. Dr Harris is a voice of reason. I am not! If the Islamic nations cared about the Palestinian people, they would follow his advice… but they don’t and it would seem, nothing is going to change their minds. Hate is a powerful motivator, but religious zealotry knows no limits. So glad someone was/is willing to acknowledge this fact besides just me!!!
...particularly since it's seems unpopular to support Israel these days.
@@user-uq6bz1ri8j While I'm not a big fan of the way Israeli IDF has handled this mess, but I realize one side's negotiating position is death at any cost. If that's what they want, then so be it!!!
@@christophorfaust2457What should Islamic nations do for Palestinians?
You mention “religious zealotry”… you include Zionism under that moniker I assume?
@@jacksonrauch9429 Ancient history has religious extremism and conquests on both sides, but you are not being honest if you think there isn't an ethical difference, now, between Islam and Judaism/Christianity.
I'm not going to repeat Sam Harris' lessons on this. You'll just have to listen better so you can avoid making foolish comments when you're trying to be clever.
I am only 22 minutes in to this and it already is the best take on his situation that I have ever heard!
Really?!? Omg….. watch ISRAELISM
It’s a shame that you squandered an opportunity to inform your audience, and instead volunteered to be a propaganda, puppet for misinformation, provided by a foreign government. The right side of history is never on the side of the oppressor. without understanding the imbalance of power, the illegal status of Israel’s 75 year occupation of Palestinian territory, and an understanding of centuries.
You need to recalibrate your moral compass. Justifying the murder of children and an absurdly high civilian death rate as “urban wear warfare”, is straight from the Zionist propaganda talking points. Shame on you. Suggesting that this Hass to do with religion is proof you have absolutely no understanding of hundreds and nearly 1000 years of amicable relations between the Muslim and Jewish communities. Zionism is a colonial political ideology. If you don’t believe me do your research on what the original name was. Judaism is a beautiful religion that is intentionally conflated with a barbaric political ideology to insulated from criticism and accountability. Like all humans, Palestinians have the right to live free or die trying. international law afford this right to all humans, including Palestinians. Over 13,000 children have been murdered with our taxpayer dollars, over 7000 women have been murdered and over 80% of Palestinian civil infrastructure has been demolished. The suggestion that this has anything to do with a clash of civilizations and religious ideology is laughable. Kindergarten level research would have proven that even Christian and Jewish Palestinians are part of the resistance movement Determined to end the 75 year oppression of Palestinians. They will live free or die trying. In case you forgot, Mandela was also a terrorist, according to the apartheid state, trying to discredit him. the truth will prevail and as always, the right side of history will be on the side of the oppressed… Not the oppressor. Wake up.
lol.. it's nothing but exaggerated claims and lies
@@andrewgoldman9019 That 1984 story from the Iran/Iraq war is a lie? It is hardcore truth that sums up the barbarity of today's situation.
@@andrewgoldman9019 Ok, so it should be easy for you to pick a particularly egregious example. I'm waiting.
Unsurprising that "BitcoinMeister" has this level of unintelligence
I just talked to God and he said Jerusalem can relocate to North Dakota. North Dakota is the holy land now. This solves everything.
Thank you Sam for bringing clarity to this controversial topic.
Thank you, Sam Harris. I understand JIHAD like never before. I never made the fanatical relationship to death before this sharing. You are a true voice of reason
So well expressed comprehensive yet concise.Send to EVERYONE.
I totally agree with Sam about jihadism. However, as an Iranian, I find parts of this episode about Iran a little unfair.
In the Iran-Iraq war (which was imposed on the people by two maniacs, Khomeini and Saddam Hossein), Iranian people who went to defend the country were NOT suicide bombers. When you use the phrase "suicide bomber" in the context of jihad, it implies terrorism.
When people go to war to defend their country, they are not necessarily committing jihadism.
I love Sam and he's one of the people who's had great influence in my life. But I have to say, after this episode, I'm a little bit disappointed!
How does thst explain sending children to blow themselves up on mines? A country where the people don't believe in martyrdom would not have parents sending their kids to their certain deaths. Islam is to blame here for the use of children as human sacrifice
@@solehthesandmonkey I didn't say people didn't believe in martyrdom. And I agree that Islam is to blame. Nobody's defending Islam here. But you have to make a distinction between defending your country and depicting acts of terrorism. When Iranian people went to defend the country, it was NOT because they wanted to be martyrs. It was because they felt an obligation to defend their country, as people should! But at the same time, they believed that if you die for your country (and of course for Islam), they would go to heaven! While this was a stupid reason to feel better, it was not the reason they went to war! It's just a bad argument to imply Iranian people loved going to war to become martyrs!
However, people who commit jihadism, actually do want to spread Islam by force and die for it because they believe they will go straight to heaven.
There's a huge distinction here which was not made in Sam's podcast episode!
@@ArsamTajabadi the point Sam was making and that I reiterated was that it is because of the religous beliefs of some Iranians that children were being used as mine fodder. Can you imagine the Israelis or Americans or British sending their children into battle? Much less tied together with rope to traipse through a minefield. No one is saying all Iranians sent their children or that all Iranians hold these beliefs about martyrdom. But at that time, in Iran, mothers allowed their children to go to their certain deaths. It is an uncomfortable and horrifying truth. Islam is a putrid belief system which enables and supports these actions and we should not shy away from that.
Thanks for the post Sam. One thing that appears to be bolstering the support (often blind from what I can tell) of Hamas and other terrorist actors by people specifically in the west, is what appears to be an increase over the last decade of anti-west sentiment. There are people who seem to be quick to support anything that is at least perceived to be anti-west or anti-American foreign policy. It has me questioning if people who claim to be in support of Palestine are genuinely in support of the civilian population or are actually just anti-west.
One other more tangible thing supporting Hamas is the Israel government that bolstered it while undermining the Palestinian Authority to avoid any real negotiations for a Palestinian state.
You mean anti white. Its not anti western blacks, its anti western whites and now the Jews who look white even though they are not
I agree with you on this. I have felt from the beginning that it is something more than just being anti jew or anti Israel. You have to be anti West to also be anti Israel in such a twisted way.
All those billions of petro- dollars in grants to western universities are paying off we can see much to the detriment of the world !!
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that is because you cant separate the chaos in the middle east and the actions of Israel from US politics. Us is as much to blame as Israel for the genocide. do you get it why people that oppose Israel have necessarily oppose Us foreign policy.
I have a few issues with Sam’s argument here. Although I’m firmly in the camp of religious extremism especially Jihad is non sensical and fundamentally destructive and dangerous. Many studies have shown that many of these Jihad movements and extremest group flourish and these idea of martadem are more palatable in conditions when a population is pushed to the edge. If we assume Islam much like many religions is a cult and we know from multiple studies that people are far more likely to be convinced by a cult and ignore that obvious red flags when they are in a vulnerable position in their life. Hence even if I agree with 90% of what Sam is saying it still makes the war counter productive in terms of extremist production non just in Palestine but the whole of the Muslim world. It’s the same reason we saw an increase in religious fundamentalism after the US’ war in Iraq
Sam's argument is surprisingly obtuse here and amounts to 'Israel is good because Hamas is bad'. He cherry picks his facts. And the blood libel comment was on par with Ben Affleck's attacks on him. He ignores A) many Israeli top officials stating they want and intend ethnic cleansing B) it is largely the west restraining Israel at all C) declaring all of Jerusalem theirs, dividing the west bank with settlements, thousands, these past few years, is considered an act of war D) those settlers regularly attack Palestinians and aren't prosecuted for it. D) Israel also gets free passes other nations don't get, with more support from the west due to lobbying and feeling bad over what happened during the holocaust. The Hamas need to be destroyed but "we are gonna put them on a diet" (quote) starvation and ten thousand kids dead, with videos showing unjustified strikes causing mass casualties, is still criminal.
Sure, war should always be be the last option. But what’s the first? The second? Have you not listened? Muslims battle with themselves the same way. With children as mine sweepers and shields. And even if they drop the martyrdom, they clearly want to rule and subject everyone to Islam. What happens when they can’t? They will resort to the same tactics. I don’t know, it’s easy to cry fault, but now find the solution.
Rather than blaming Israel as it is defending itself to create a situation of despair, I would suggest that some people take the opportunity to gain power ( and wealth) in chaotic situations. So also the Egyptian Arafat that died as a very wealthy man not produced anything than destruction his whole life. These people thrive in hard situations af see no reason to elevate their people from poverty as its risk of losing their power.
You might want yo ask yourself why none of the muslim countries are democracies. Its Israels fault?
I think that people will always find a reason to blame others for whatever they feel going wrong in their lives or around the world. What happened for decades is that the UN, the Arab countries and the Palestinians themselves are being treated as they are incapable to act differently or to care for themselves. I don't know if you saw the kind of material being taught in their schools- even in the so called moderate Palestinian authority- they are still paying money to the families of terrorists that ended the lives of Jews. There is a lot to fix from the Israeli government (s) that's for sure- but this is not an excuse to become a raging fundamentalist. Just see what happened yesterday at a Chicago ELEMENTARY school.
The truth is just the truth, counter productive or not regarding Muslims who can't swallow the bitter pill of truth. That is what makes many of them so backwards, in their thinking.
Regarding the backlash against the failed policies of the U.S. in the Middle East, you may be right on the mark. That old saying, "the path to hell is paved with good intentions" says it all.
29:46 "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster and when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you"
A wonderful summation. Such refreshing moral clarity and rigorous logical thought is sadly extremely hard to come by in mainstream western discourse now.
A shining gem of morality on the left. This is needed. Most pro-Israel sources are unfortunately «right wing» and outright dismissed by so many. This is obviously apolitical and calmly conveyed. Thank you, as allways, for being reasonable and reliable on these issues.
Jewish supremacists from left and right, regardless of where they were born, are always ready to defend the diaspora.
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Nah. He's not left. More of a centrist. Check out Chris Hedges for a real left take
Thanks for your thoughts Sam. I think people of both Israel and Palestine deserve better than the governments currently representing them.
People get the government they deserve. Either by innaction or by action.
Thank you Sam for your enlightening discussions.
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Thanks, Sam, for setting the record straight once again.
Thank god for people like Sam who is the voice of reason in this age of sea of lies...
Sam, how about having someone that actually knows about this topic on your show? Thinkers like Ilan Papé, Norman Finkelstein and Gabor Maté? All with Israeli and/or Jewish heritage.
It feels like you only speak to people that agree with you on this topic, which is keeping you locked into this short-sighted and dangerous perspective. It's been well-documented that Israel has committed ethnic cleansing in Palestine since the 1940s - read the book "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli historian, Ilan Papé.
There's also much evidence to suggest that such oppression creates fertile ground for radical groups like Hamas to form. Israel helped fund Hamas in order to sow division amongst the Palestinians, who, for a long time, were relatively peaceful compared to the Israelis. Where is any of that information in your perspective?
exactly
Agree, these monologues are short-sighted and off the mark. It’s clear he has very little knowledge of the history, politics and society. I would like to see him talk to more “balanced” experts like Thomas Friedman or Ian Bremmer. Sam is in IDF level propaganda spewing right now
@sassansalamian3428 -- He addressed the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians in the formation of Israel and pointed out that numerous modern states came into existence through similar acts. He also pointed out that overt oppression does not necessarily lead to this kind of violence (or any at all) and that the distinction in ideologies is meaningful in understanding the behavior. For example, the East Timorese (Catholics) were subject to an Indonesian (mostly Muslim) invasion and attempted integration from 1975-1999 and they did resist militarily, but they did not r*pe or murder Indonesian civilians in West Timor as an act of rebellion. The example that Sam Harris gives is of the Tibetans whose most violent act of rebellion is to burn themselves alive, never mind negative actions against their Han invaders.
We can accept, for the sake of argument, all of Ilan Pape's claims of ethnic cleansing, Gabor Mate's claims about Palestinian oppression, etc. and none of this would sufficiently explain Hamas' response UNTIL we add in their religio-political ideology.
@@oremfrien Ethnic cleansing rhetoric has existed since the founding. It never ceased. It exists in political parties. Popular political parties. Parties that predate Hamas by a decade. The same rhetoric that people claim comes from Hamas was literally written into the current ruling party's founding document. Extremism breeds extremism. The more extreme, the more extreme the pushback.
You can see this sort of thing happen throughout their history. One people push and the other push back with something more extreme. You can see it in what is happening now. You can say Hamas is extreme but not without looking at the extremism within Israel and the ruling party. It's difficult to not see the incitement in a statement like, "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty". It predates Hamas by a decade and predates their radicalization by much longer than that. This same rhetoric predates the written version, of course.
You’ve been indoctrinated and fallen for false, insidious, and dangerous propaganda, that, yes, even some Jews spread. Literally, everything you said is a lie. Look up actual facts and population statistics. Look up actual history, not the made up story the Palestinians tell about “The Nakba” but literal events of what happened. I don’t know if your brain can tolerate the truth. It will be a big reckoning for you when you realize you’ve been brainwashed in the same way the Nazis were. Good luck with that reckoning.
4:50 Pacifism didn't work in India. Subhash Chandra Bose play major role in India's independence
It is existential for Israel, it existential for women and all those who genuinely love them. Thank you. It is time we wake up and evolve beyond ideology of death as legit. If religion is not making your life more beautiful and prosperous I say it has to be let go, because the whole purpose of spirituality is to make life more beautiful not vice versa
The trouble with most wannabe religious people no matter what confession is that they are self-righteous and sanctimonious hypocrites. They honor their God with their lips, but inside their hearts they are ugly, hatedriven and sanctimonious beasts. A breed of vipers.
Moral clarity is the scarcest of all virtues in the West.
In the East, they have a crystal moral clarity albeit the morality they are clear about is twisted, deranged subversive and absurd, but clear nevertheless. The West in the main is morally ambiguous specially on the left and thanks to that new craze of DEI and cultural relativism is getting worse. @sandra_rds
He's lacking a bit if he's comparing iraq and afghanistan to gaza. Specially iraq.
1. The population of Bosina was increasing even while the sebrenetiska massacre which does not mean Genocides do not equate to population reduction but holocausts do
2. I don't understand how you can Ignore the repeated video and audio footage of The PM and his cabinet starting from the early 2000's showing their intention of sabotaging the Oslo peace accords and the 2 state solution.
"The population of Bosina was increasing even while the sebrenetiska massacre"
What the fuck? Spread your lies somewhere else.
I second this comment 👏🏻
Me too.
You need to do more research my friend
Dude stop wasting your time on Sam. He is dishonest. There is a reason he only spew theese ideas in a vacuum or softball discussions with like minded people.
There are a few things, I'm not entirely sure I agree with (although I agree with most of what he said) but in general I can't tell you how much I respect Sam Harris's willingness to take unpopular opinions and speak his truth in a calm collected articulate manner. I would love to have him debate someone one of the "progressive" platforms such as Democracy Now, TYT, The Majority Report with Sam Cedar to name a few. And even better if he could debate someone such as Noam Chomsky, Elan Pappi or Norm Finkelstein.
It confuses me how he can so consistently conflate wanting Israel to at least show regard for human casualties and "taking side with Hamas."
It shouldn't be difficult for someone this intelligent to say jihadists are terrible, Hamas is terrible, Israel can and should defend itself...but Israel can and should at least show more regard for innocent human life, regardless of whether their enemies do. It wouldnt jeopardize his main points in the slightest to do so, and it "ruins" them in many ways to not do so
Indeed. It's a crystal clear straw man tactic he uses when he claims that supporters of Palestinian human rights are, in fact, HAMAS supporters who want the destruction of Israel. He can't even countenance the fact that there are so many people (including Jews and Israelis) who see both the evil of HAMAS and the Israeli government. The only reasonable conclusion is that Sam 'moral philosopher' Harris doesn't put much value on the life of Palestinians. Very sad.
Israel does show regard for human life. Israel even supplies Jordan with all its water.
My Hebrew name Jacova is the female form of Jacob. God is my Father and rabbi.
Happy Jerusalem Day. I'll pray for you in Hebrew. Ahava Adonai Ahava Israel Elehenu Adonai Hashem
@@jacovawernett3077 vehemently disagreed on every level, and for what it's worth I am Jewish as well, with first cousins in Israel and a different relative in the army.
All the same, thanks for your prayers, and I hope you extend them to all humans. I say that in good faith even though my basic Hebrew makes me think that "prayer" isn't what you're suggesting
@@Brandon-os3qr for what it's worth my son's phone was stolen yesterday on the beach in Tel Aviv. Now, give me a minute. God is my Father and rabbi. I am going to school you young man.
@@Brandon-os3qr I'm a jew born March 11th in Bethlehem 61 years ago. God aka Elohim Adonai Hashem spoke fifty sentences to me from above to my ear.
His first nine sentences were 8.4.2015 in the morning. That night towards 11pm I heard Tibetan music from the heavens that I knew no one else could hear.
L'chaim. Namaste.
11.17.2015, Eve Beach, Waikiki early evening. I couldn't find a book reading so I sat under the stars alone.
God asked, What side of the blade are you on.
I answered, The side of the righteous my words are my sword.
He then showed me my ascension to Heaven .
He said, Make Israel one. You are anchor.
God's last sentence to me was four years ago after many months.
He said, You are Princess Messenger of God.
In Aramaic, it's Amira Malaka Elah.
12 hours before the Gaziatep Turkey earthquake I was watching a video on AL Jazeera youtube. I wrote that God said, Make Israel one. ( it means to bring peace and reconciliation between Jew, Christian, Muslim, cousins by Abraham. A muslim brother answered, Jews and Christians will be humiliated by God.
I answered, No. We are all God's children. No one sticks a metaphorical rock in God's throat. The Prephet Muhammad knew this. Sometimes it feels like 500,000 Gazans are holding the world hostage. The earth will quake. And it did quake. It killed 50,000 people.
Sincerly, Amira Malaka Elah.
I vehemently know God and reality.
The latest sign I asked God for was the big solar flare for May 11th Aurora Borealis. There are 11 solar years on the sun.
You speak the truth. I wish the Pro Palestinian movement, had enough sense to understand the true treat to not only Israel, but the west. It breaks my heart to see any human suffering, but these people don’t care about their own people, they care about their one intention and that is to gain power over everyone who doesn’t believe in their faith. There is no other option for Israel, I agree, it’s a very sad and a horrible situation, these innocent Palestinians were born in the wrong side of the fence and their is no real hope for them when governed by a group of extremists.
I mean, the Palestinians are fighting a war against a colonizer.
No,@@polybian_bicycle . They're willing pawns in the hands of murderous Islamists whose true goal is world domination.
'There is no other option for Israel'? REally? Hitler said the same: there's no option but to eliminate those who opposed his conquer of the vital space for the his dam Arian race....Now we have the Zionist race who need a space occupied by the right inhabitants, the palestinians, and the Zionist have no option but using the excuse offered by the criminal gang of Hamas but to ethically cleans the land they need for them are the chosen race, aren't they? Just like the Nazi they behave...
@@polybian_bicycle lol I believe that is literally myth number 3 or 4, please refer to the video for education
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The claim that it is a myth is a lie.
I never felt more ashamed about my community as i have when i saw the pro Palestinian demonstrations after what happened on October the 7th.
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It's reassuring that there are people like you on other side of this having the ability to see through the cloud of hate.
what about what happened after October the 7th??