Slavoj Žižek on Israel Palestine
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- Today we had the pleasure of hosting the most dangerous philosopher in the West, Slavoj Žižek, to JOE Towers.
Žižek joined us to chat about his new book, Too Late To Awaken, out on 2 November.
In this discussion, Žižek shares his thoughts on the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, the future of liberal democracy across the world, and why he thinks Oppenheimer was ruined by the Bhagavad Gita.
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How would you like to intruduce yourself?
Zizek: *sniffs*
Žižek: *proceeds to introduce himself for 10 minutes*
Biden gave Zizek's sniffing a bad rep. Zizek is the original sniffer.
Please dont campare biden To Zizek. Not even in Sniffing 😂 just no @@nexusyang4832
How would you describe yourself? If you work on knowing who you are, become yourself, you'd never be able to give a simple description. One thing, you say and immediately think, am I?
😂😂😂😂😂
"Interviewer: So Zezek, how would you describe what you do" Zizek: Goes on on a wild ride of a rant covering 13 different topics.
because everything is related
The squirrel cage upstairs is entertaining but he has no practical solution or firm enough stance on most things.
@@user-yp2sc1cy1nI don't think he's ever trying to provide a solution, because he's not in charge or apart of the conflict. He's just giving his perspective on it, and that's why I personally like listening speak; he doesn't pretend that he has all the answers to resolve the conflict or fix a government unlike any given keyboard jockey.
@@mothballmouth so, he's as useless as anyone here. Just smarty-wordy gurdy! 😁
@@mothballmouth dude you just responded to an AI bot. Unfortunately, they can now write as if it was a real person. Ignore those that have a "user" username
This is why politics is best discussed in long form discussions and not on twitter/instagram. Žižek is doing a very good thing here by insisting on nuance
He hasn't done a good job, he has perpetuated Western imperialist disinformation, reversing victim and perpetrator, and failing to call out those actually responsible. Israel is an Apartheid regime and committing genocide. Period. Palestine has a right to exist and a right to defend itself. Period. Anyone who fails to condemn the terrorism of the state of Israel and the responsibility of Netanyahu for the creation and growth of Hamas is themselves a criminal.
Slavoj Žižek is endorsing the "annihilation of Hamas". Considering that the entire state of Israel is guilty of far worse terrorism and other crimes against humanity than Hamas, what does he advocate to be done to the state of Israel and its entire military that is massacring women and children as we speak?
Nuance is not his speciality...he's more a Charlatan
@@NoOne-tg9tk The only people that call him a charlatan are the ones resentful he won't grift to a particular side. Is he right on everything? Nope. But he never claims to be and he often changes his mind reevaluating things or says how wrong he has been. These things are just sessions of thinking out loud; nothing really serious. 😂😂
Throwing Religion into this heady mix, will be like throwing gasoline into a raging bonfire! And with the way some radicals are talking, on both sides... I think we are fast approaching that point of no return!
@@NoOne-tg9tk people just use words out here, amazing
no matter how intellectual a conversation with Zizek may be, in true and good balkan fashion, he will always end with a vulgar insult to remind himself and all of us to not take life so seriously:)
And thats the ugly truth 😂😂😂
But Slovenians aren't turkified, along with Montenegrins and Croatians so they can't be Balkan(turkified). Turkified people surely didn't invent insults and Žižek just has that kind of personality, by your logic Mozart is turkified just because he swore a lot. Tell me how can for example Prešerin, Starčević or Njegoš be Balkan? Especially because they were against the turkified(Balkan) world.
And geographically Balkan doesn't really exists, geographically it's just a mountain in Bulgaria and Serbia, it's hasn't anything to do with Dinaridic Alps.
@@Vekikev1 bro u need to take ur lithium
But that’s great! If something is shit, you have to name it so - this should be the duty of an intellectual! All the other people wait for sterile, harmless sentences, but sometimes you have to be ugly and nasty!
One of his most charming features
Love Zizek. Even if he waffles on for like an hour and goes on tangents, you still learn a *ton* of stuff from him. Also he's so funny and memeable
Then get him a tissue
@@notbornagainbornright5046 he has a minor form of Tourette, hasn't he? Like Ethan from h3. A tissue won't help much.
More like some maple syrup.😋 🧇
"And so on, and so on..."
@@NonEuclideanTacoCannon LOL, he should be banned from using "and so on" ...😂
Absolutely incredible when Zizek complained about Oli not arguing back. (Respectful) confrontations in interviews are what get the truth out
Kudos to the interviewer. I think you surprised Slavoj with how much you could follow him and summarize and respond back to his points immediately. I think this has made this meeting very pleasant and informative.
Zizek is talking BS. Calling yourself the communist should immidiately disqualify you to be some sort of intellectual.
@@youlig1Yikes
@@youlig1Yes, you're truly the intellect here, writing off one of the most important philosophers of our time because you enter McCarthy mode when you hear the C word. Thought terminating cliche brain. Truly the pinnacle of understanding and rationality over here.
@@ipadbossbaby4558 Can an outspoken fascist be an intellectual in your eyes?
Because fascism and communism are both equally deranged and dangerous political ideologies. You might argue that communism is actually more dangerous than facism.
So, would you see a fascist inellectual as being a real intellectual? Because in my opinion, anybody can talk and cite books. What makes someone an intellectual is clarity and quality of thought. And a communist does not have quality of thought, because communism has proven to be one of the worst political theories in history. Therefore somebody who still holds on to a failed ideology can not have this "quality of thought". Therefore he is not an intellectual in my eyes. He's just some guy that talks into a camera! I liked him for some time. Until i realized he is what he looks like, a little communist rat!
@@youlig1 ignoring how stupid this idea is, most of what hes saying here doesnt even have an iota in relation to communism
It is unfortunate that Zizek's position (Hamas is terrible, but Israel has to REALLY engage in Palestinian peace settlement) is considered radical. That should be obvious for 99% of the people, excluding Hamas terrorists and Israel's jingoism.
The whole of Greece is saying this. That voice is kindof "drowned" through massive propaganda though. Reason is about to get silenced, or totally blured picture to the viewer...the least
Ìsrael is far more terrible
He's not wrong but there seems to be worldwide amnesia about the numerous times Israel has offered a reasonable peace settlement to Palestine only for them to begin a new terrorism operation. And if you actually listen to interviews of Palestinians being asked about their views on the conflict, the responses are truly disheartening. The refusal of any future of coexisting with Jews is overwhelming. It's shocking.
I was surprised to discover this. It seemed so unreasonable. I thought when Israelis said this they had too much bias. But hours of interviews with everyday Palestinians later ... There was no other conclusion anyone would be able to draw.
@@RobespierreThePoofI think you are asking too much from Palestinians. They did not steal the land, they did not ethnically cleanse most of that land and massacre the people. And when did Israel make peace offers that were actually respected? Offering peace but building settlements, putting a military siege on Gaza, killing journalists and medics, putting children in prisons at the same time is no actual peace. It is simply unfair, the Palestinians did not start this and are suffering for a century now and now they are supposed to forgive and forget? The problem here is Israel not jews. Israelis themselves do not want a two state solution and dont even see Palestinians as humans.
Israel is a racist settler colony that should not exist because it is dangerous to Jews as well as non-Jews.
@@RobespierreThePoof there also seems to be world amnesia on the fact that Israel invaded Palestine 75 years ago, so this is not even their land to start off, secondly, there also seems to be a convinient forgetfullness that Zionism is a radical racist nationalism whose sole purpose is to expand and banish any other people and culture from the place THEY want. Also, almost every solution to the confict has been a single or two state solution where the overwhelming mayority of the people would be israelies. After all this time it has been basically a loose loose for Palestine and its people
I love how its take Slavoj over 5 minutes to briefly describe who he is. Brilliant 🙂
It maybe says more about us that we consider 5 minutes a long time
Took a pause and then launched into a detailed description of his kind of communism with a bunch of unrequested context, what a ledge
Kinda reminds me of my grandma when I ask her one simple question about our family history and before I know it I'm sitting through a lecture for the rest of the evening
Ya, most of us interact in the real world where you have a few miliseconds or seconds at most to make an impression and/or share your view. Vain, indulgent, intellectual answers are never practical @@HonestSonics
@@tempinternetname Of course, but thankfully Slavoj doesn't have that pressure, and we benefit from that
@@kjaerdian7864I had a misconception about what he believed, so I appreciated how specific he is about being a *moderately conservative* communist. I was under the impression that he was a communist in the bad way.
Oh my god this is brilliant. I’ve been a fan of Zizek for about a decade now. He spurred me into postgraduate study of philosophy and politics. And these last few months and weeks I’ve been dejected, confused, almost convinced I was going insane about these things - Israel, leftism, revolution, the importance of caution and conservatism. And ten years on, Zizek has reminded me why he inspired me in the first place. He’s at least validating and saying: no, you’re not insane, it really is complicated and probably fucked.
I agree
LOL! You are all insane.
Care to expound on the importants of caution and conservatism?
@@Lildoc911 Why did you come straight down to the comment section instead of watching the video?
@@excalibro8365 oh well it was 4 in the morning, and I was getting ready for bed. I didn't have time to complete the video. If he goes into detail on this subject, then I'm glad to hear it.
I'm more interested in this personal account at the moment, and how it changed their views.
The independence and authenticity of Zizek is remarkable...
The more I listen to Zhizhek the more I realize everything he says is very well grounded, very strongly supported by rock solid arguments. This guy is an intellectual beast, massive respect.
because he says the same shit on every interview, the least you can expect is that the same rehashed crap he blurts out is at least coherent
"everything he says is very well grounded, very strongly supported by rock solid arguments. "
The things he says: 1:04:33
If you actually paid attention, tell me what solution or recommendation he gave to the conflict
The more I listen to Zhizhek the more I think he would be a great writer.
@@ZEROCARTOOzizek is a marxist. He sees this as a opressed vs opressor and thus considers that the only solution is in the hands of israelis and the rights israel gives to palestinians. He considers socialism (and probably as a dictatorship) is the answer for conflicts where secularism is imposed and religious identity/ national identity is diluted thru the state.
That's the problem of marxism where the world must fit the book and not the book fit into the real world.
Never have we needed Zizek more than we do in this moment.
Nicely done, Team Joe.
Reap what you sow and then both sides are whine whine whine...its a ploy to employ the slaves of the west!
Diversify your sources bro, this guy cant be the source on everything. Here, he’s saying the typical and the expected
yeah wow what a courageous intellectual. Fighting a bloody and endless war means both sides will lose. It really takes a genius to come to that conclusion.
This is honestly one of Zizeks worst takes. He’s a philosopher. He has no business weighing on issues of and in this manner. He has no practical means of solving the issue, and even as a philosopher doesn’t help others think of any either.
And I find it funny that her he insists on nuance when often his points are dichotomous.
He hasn't done a good job, he has perpetuated Western imperialist disinformation, reversing victim and perpetrator, and failing to call out those actually responsible. Israel is an Apartheid regime and committing genocide. Period. Palestine has a right to exist and a right to defend itself. Period. Anyone who fails to condemn the terrorism of the state of Israel and the responsibility of Netanyahu for the creation and growth of Hamas is themselves a criminal.
Slavoj Žižek is endorsing the "annihilation of Hamas". Considering that the entire state of Israel is guilty of far worse terrorism and other crimes against humanity than Hamas, what does he advocate to be done to the state of Israel and its entire military that is massacring women and children as we speak?
I like what Zizek said about platonian dialogs, by Zeus!
I think he needed this platform to express his views perfectly after what happened. I enjoyed the moderation a lot. I wish the conversation had continued for longer too.
Now I'll start following this channel.
The more I watch Žižek the more I like him. The true genius of him is to deliver very sensitive insights of today politics straight with humour without giving a sh*t about his own reputation. Big balls mate.
i have the opposite 😂
As a Palestinian, I thank you JOE for bringing this great thinker on and actually letting him talk. He is my voice
He hasn't done a good job, he has perpetuated Western imperialist disinformation, reversing victim and perpetrator, and failing to call out those actually responsible. Israel is an Apartheid regime and committing genocide. Period. Palestine has a right to exist and a right to defend itself. Period. Anyone who fails to condemn the terrorism of the state of Israel and the responsibility of Netanyahu for the creation and growth of Hamas is themselves a criminal.
Slavoj Žižek is endorsing the "annihilation of Hamas". Considering that the entire state of Israel is guilty of far worse terrorism and other crimes against humanity than Hamas, what does he advocate to be done to the state of Israel and its entire military that is massacring women and children as we speak?
just surrender，you may live good
Why don’t you have more liberal leadership?
@@brian782Why did you elect Trump (sorry I am assuming you are American - because how stupid the comment is)?
As a Slovenian, you can have him. He is so for Palestinians to have their own country, but was against his own nation to have independent country.
That vulnerability shown in the middle by the interviewer took a lot of courage and I'm very impressed. Nuance and no easy answers nor one-upmanship, but facing and staying with trouble. Thank you both for that.
His point about how contextualising actually undermines the basis for extremism is so on point. He is such an excellent example of how thinking deeply for hours about seemingly abstract philosophy enables you to perceive real situations with clarity as they unfold.
You were able to discern that word salad out of his spitting?
There is nothing to contextualise when it comes to islamonazis. World conquest and subjugation of the jews is part of islamic fundamentalism. Money, land marxism or any other theory people want to present is irrelevant to the 1400 years of islam. You cant hide it
Ok, dommies like you go on the waterboarding line @@PuppetMasterdaath144
Sounds like hasbara
@@PuppetMasterdaath144 these aren't complicated concepts. 'Word salad' really is just an admission thst you haven't listened properly. There aren't any extraneous words, it's simple to understand even if you don't agree with the point being made.
Excellent discussion very thought provoking & I agree with a lot of the options.👍
What a great interview and interviewer! No interruption whatsoever. And Zizek is simply a great thinker. He will be remembered as one of the greats of our time.
Thank you!
Agreed. There is genius on both sides. The interviewer actually allowed the answer to run.
He is.
I really enjoyed listening to Zizek! Would love to hear more from him! He seems to have a wide knowledge for so many topics
So incredibly impressively, simply gorgeous analysis. One has to admire this man's mind. he truly has the solution for peace. Consider me his humble disciple. A beautiful thinker.
As a German I can 100% confirm the accusations Zizek made against Germany. The reason is, that discourse is actually limited in our country and everyone who tries to establish a change in perspective and frames political dispute as a valuable tool for the formation of will, risks leaving the common sense immediately. This is such an established practice, that all political parties, irrespective of their ideology follow a totalitarian conception of moral, that is embedded in a democratic shell. Even the far-right AfD, who is understood as a fundamental opposition to mainstream political programs committed to plural democracy expresses the will to impose their positions in totality on the german people.
Apart from partisan fights we found this sort of democratic totalitarianism culminating in Angela Merkel's guideline of "Alternativlosigkeit", a word that she explicitly used to claim that a variety of means to her policy - that had by the definition of her status as the head of government a wider domestic impact - is not debatable. She was also the first German chancellor to declare the position of the state Israel as a "Staatsräson" - which means, that Israel's interests are inherently linked to those of the German goverment. Interestingly, this had just a minimal impact on financial aid programs or the diplomatic relationship with Israel. It mainly serves as a moral safe haven for owning the "right" position without much effort, so it is basically virtue signalling. Furthermore, it hampers the advocation of non-bipartisan reflection of the conflict between Israeli v. Iran and its proxies. While following the Netanyahou-administration's devastating notion of linking the interest's of semites to the state they rule, they also follow a biopolitical, folkish understanding of social identity. It goes along the premise, that Israel might be a chosen nation that stems from a mythological past. Not to mention, this understanding is highly ethnocentric or even racist.
Over the past weeks, we had a lot of public commentators here in Germany from either political direction standing by the line of "Staatsräson" and outweighing actual anti-semitic, anti-jewish hatred with academic thoughts on the separation between a right-wing governed state and the actually pursued jewish religion and ethnicity. On the other hand, ordinary people do not feel represented by the politicians and journalists, who are selling geopolitical interests as a moral foundation. I wish, that we could agree on the distinction's Zizek made as the premise of debate. However, I have no illusion that it will happen.
Why are people bringing up "anti-semitic"/anti-Jewish" hatred all of the time? This isn't a religious conflict. Non of the main voices opposing Israel "hate Jews". This is a conflict between Zionism (a form of fascism that culminates in Israeli ultranationalism) and humanity itself. Israel is an Apartheid regime and committing genocide. Period. Palestine has a right to exist and a right to defend itself. Period. Anyone who fails to condemn the terrorism of the state of Israel and the responsibility of Netanyahu for the creation and growth of Hamas is themselves a criminal.
Slavoj Žižek is endorsing the "annihilation of Hamas". Considering that the entire state of Israel is guilty of far worse terrorism and other crimes against humanity than Hamas, what does he advocate to be done to the state of Israel and its entire military that is massacring women and children as we speak?
Have you read any of the analyses on Israel/Palestine from Gegenstandpunkt?
I appreciate your analysis, coming from the perspective of a fellow German and a German Jew. You’re right in pointing out that Merkel’s stance of "Alternativlosigkeit" (lack of alternatives) has had a lasting and concerning impact. However, I think a comprehensive understanding of the conflict requires examining the history of both sides more closely.
Israel, admittedly, isn't without fault and has indeed shifted towards a more nationalistic stance over the past two decades. It's crucial, though, to recognize that this shift hasn't occurred in a vacuum. It's a product of enduring conflict, including wars initiated by neighboring states and acts of terrorism stemming from various Palestinian factions.
Critically examining the Palestinian struggle is necessary, but so is recognizing the negative trajectory of Israel in the context of this enduring conflict and the global reaction to its policies. The external scrutiny Israel faces often seems tinged with a double standard that does not fully take into account the constant threat of war and terrorism it has to navigate. This standard is also never applied to their opponents.
Such unrelenting external pressure and the lack of international consensus on what constitutes a fair response or a viable peace proposal inevitably shape a nation's policies and psyche. When every action is met with criticism, and every attempt at peace is dismissed, it can lead a nation to turn inward, prioritizing national security and self-reliance over external approval.
@@in.der.welt.sein.stay away with Gegenstandpunkt ... What we dont need ist yet another marxist sect
It was horrible to see Zizek and Sanders booed of stages, because they said the most basic stuff. What kind of discussion is it if you get backlash because you werent pro Israel enough after you said Israel has every right to stomp down in Hamas and basically defending this reaction... Horrible, not even mentioning the attack on freedom of expression.
I think this is the most on topic I've ever seen him! Great interview.
- how would you like to introduce yourself?
*gives a half an hour long speech*
classic zizek! 😂
lmao yea don't ask that next time lol
You should never expect a short answer from zizek
He's basically an Ent from Lord of the Rings.
This conversation was really good and enriching. Thankyou!
I love the passionate realism of this man. I am similar to him in how I go on
with friends.Thank you for bringing his talk to us!
Always a pleasure to listen to Zizek, and thank you Oli and Politics Joe for leading such a thoughtful discussion!
Oli should be proud that he got the greatest honorific that Zizek can give "not an idiot" :)
I can just listen to this while working because he’s so entertaining and it engages my brain while the work I am doing does not.
the last scene blows me in laughter hahha! Zizek is a great thinker, he is well-informed not like some stupid youtubers like Ben Shapiro.
As a stupid person, I am offended. How dare you!
nah ure smart@@Magneticvortex-kk4gb
Shapiro is more shamelessly discriminatory, intellectually-dishonest and cynical than he is stupid.
It seems like a slight on slavoj to even compare him to Shapiro. He is a world renowned academic. Shapiro is a charlatan with about as much academic clout as Barry Chuckle.
Ben Shapiro is what you get if money could talk.
thanks for that ... nuanced discussion is exactly what is needed right now IMHO
the crossover I never knew I wanted so badly
Free Palestine from Hamas.
Arafat was Israel's best chance of peace but unfortunately they were funding Hamas.
@@evolassunglasses4673 Israel never wanted peace. There is documentation of this. They have always wanted to expel the palestinians. I don't know why Zizek is so uninformed on this.
Really enjoyed listening to this guy. He makes some important points
Žižek's hero whom he mentioned is MAREK EDELMAN - a polish Jew, a bundist (leftist) who fought in Warsaw Ghettho Uprising 1943 and in Warsaw uprising 1944, a real hero, amazing man but also traumatised and without any illusions about human nature.
That was fulfilling. And the ending was hilarious.
I had few topics that I knew surface level info about that he surprisingly mentioned which is great and makes me feel lucky, and also there's lots of things he mentioned that I had to pause and look it up. And now I have few tabs and topic to read about which is what I enjoy doing lol very good interview man congrats to the interviewer who I have no idea who he is
You gotta adore Zizek ... just for being human
You have to admire the courage of anyone attempting to interview Zizek. The conversation could go anywhere and there's no controlling him. 😆
@@kalebdaark100 easiest job ever, you don't even have to say or do anything!!
@@Rolando_Cueva Wellll....that's the thing though isn't it. As the interviewer you're supposed to steer the conversation, not come across as the idiot in the and keep the thing to time without having to resort to the edit. Tough to do when interviewing Zizek.
36:40 "BUT COUNTER ATTACK ME! you just agreed with all that i said! screw you!" this guy is a Mental Martial Arts fighter, and the young hipster interviewer had no chance.
dont know what you are saying but this is a common theme with zizek in interviews where he doesnt want to be interviewed and wants to debate with the interviewer
😊❤Thank you both for such a wonderful, informative and insightful talk ❤
And the hits just keep on rolling! Ladies and Gentlemen Slavoj Zizek! One of the best interviews in a long time. Thanks
Well! that was the most weird, amazing and interesting conversations that I have had the pleasure to listen to, for many a while. l Loved it and also agreed with pretty much all of it. This crazy Zizek man is mad enough to speak the truth at a time when the truth is about as welcome as leprosy. We need you bro. Don't let them cancel you or shut you down.
I love this man. He speaks truth whatever the cost is and that deserves my admiration
How can you not love this guy! I think one of Zizek's best intellectual quickies! 😄 Excellent interviewer.
Thank you for this ❤
Let us all remember, no one wins in war. All that is left is the tears of the deeply broken few. People like Slavoj are too few and far between. Finding common ground and nuance is too much for most it seems as we would rather live in ignorance than be a bastion for hope in humanity.
Islam and hope is like asking a Nazi and a Jew to be friends.
you are ridiculous.
כל הכבוד. הרצאה מצויינת. שבת שלום לכולם
Shalom, salaam, shanti.
CK Louie, the comedian.
I wish you well in these troubling months.
I don't think I have ever heard a political commentator stop and demand that the interviewer argue against what they have just said. This was very refreshing and a wonderful moment that made me stop and think about exactly what I was agreeing with and what I was not agreeing with. I don't agree with everything you say, Slavoj Žižek, but I do agree with your methods
this was amazing, thank you!
amazing to have a philosopher like him in our timeline
He has no idea what he's talking about.
@@user-cn3du8zi3zsaid the fool on the internet
the more time passes the more i enjoy listening to zizek.
Oooh Slavoi on Joe! I've been avoiding talk and discussion about THE situation tbh too bleak and nothing I can do about it etc, but I'll listen to this.
Brilliant! Thank you, Slavoj Zizek!
I have never yet heard anyone with the balls to say that point he made about the predominant German effort in supporting israel even in wrongdoings to somehow pay their debt for the crimes of the holocaust, indeed a moral catastrophe, to attach the very meaning to victimhood and innocence and forget they are conditions that apply on anyone, just as agression and criminality. If that is not granted supremacy idk what is.
Israel today is a perfect example of a motif as old as time: the victim who became the abuser.
Yes! I've actually spoken to my German friend about this exact topic.
@@yespls4184 i imagine it was an interesting conversation
@@imcbocian When were they the victims? In germany? When they were the commies and marxists?
the ugly fact is that the communism he believes in makes the holocaust seem a small event compared to hundreds of millions that caused. Not a smart man at all but a rambling fool.
Live long and prosper, Zizek! The world would miss you!🧿
This is a really good channel, great debate.
Absolutely refreshing to stumble upon a like-minded individual!! I'm hooked.
What a f***ing amazing interview.
As an Israeli, I am shocked at how well versed in the nuances of the situation here he is.
and as Israeli what u say bout actions of your government? Is it too much?
You're a tool@@ExileLBL
@@ExileLBLopinion on Israel is as diverse as you would expect for a liberal democracy. However, the more the acts of terrorism continue (it's now been a century), the more there has been a gradual increase of the right-wing.
Zizek makes a very reasonable proposition. But there's a rising sense that there's no one on the Palestinian side who would be a partner for peaceful coexistence.
And they aren't crazy. The problem of radicalism is seemingly much more severe that many Westerners seem to understand, particularly in Gaza.
Is Netenyahu's war strategy justifiable? Take a step back from your views for a minute and ask yourself this. In the middle of a war, when the general public does not and cannot have access to military intelligence and the current war strategy - in a war where the propaganda operation on the Palestinian side is a bigger part of their strategy than the actual fighting - how could anyone truly be able to know if Netenyahu's war strategy is excessive or the best of very bad options?
We can't actually know that. Everyone is guessing based on news coverage that is heavily tainted with disinformation and propaganda.
If you are thinking, "well just look at the footage and descriptions of the death toll and starvation". First off, Hamas's death toll number was increased by the exact same round number every 5-6 days. It's obvious they are based on nothing but a very lazy guess. That's just one example of how they are trying to get.a rise out of the global left. ( Israel has released some propaganda too, but they really aren't as good at it by a long shot.)
And secondly, it's obviously completely horrible. But how do you think it was in places like Berlin in 1945 during the Allied bombings? Women and children died in large numbers. There was famine. And the only reason it was happening is that Hitler refused to accept defeat. Hitler didn't care enough to spare his citizens. Is it not the same with Hamas now? You can't judge Israel to be necessarily in the wrong based on the brutal consequences of modern urban warfare. It's horrendous. What else could it possibly be?
Let's see what the real truth is when the war is over.
@@ExileLBLI’m not Israeli but they are too nice. If Hamas had Israel’s power, they Israel wouldn’t exist anymore.
Incredible interview and hilarious ending.
Spot on. Zizek is really one the best philosophers and thinkers out there.
thsi man is the most important thinker in the world right now, his ideas genuinely change the world for the better.
Literally every third rate Chinese politician has more sensible and interesting things to say, though.
Which ideas of his (in this video) do you find world changing? I’m genuinely interested.
bullshit
Watching this then his interview with Novara Media from 5 days ago. Zizek is Everyman’s philosopher and my god he can make you laugh. Pure joy to listen too
Zizek has a new follower, I’m so glad this episode was on my feed 👏🏽
SO heartened to hear SOMEBODY out there mention Marek Edelman!
Slavoj, the majority in germany have been against supplying arms to isreal for decades but cannot say anything without being accused of being AS.
To make any criticism of the an apartheid state and an attack on all jewish people will only boomerang back in a bad way.
Would add it's a totally simplistic view to think that all jewish people think the same, or any religious group or citizens of a country.
Sometimes governments do have access to better information when it comes to geopolitics and geostrategy than the people. This has always been a tricky thing to deal with in a democracy. Sometimes the people really aren't right. So what do you do?
This is helping de-radicalise myself this interview really helped, thank you .
honestly, an interesting conversation and loved the interviewer for his ability to bring up important issues. zizek is truly at his prime while speaking of international relations, despite his rash generalisations. zizeks ability to critique and still be a great personality is second to none.
I think Zizek was great but I honestly felt the interviewer was either not that interested in what he had to say or was out of his depth. He barely followed up on anything Zizek had to say. Heck Zizek himself was frustrated and begged the interviewer to challenge him lol.
@@Phil_Mitchell that’s fair, i concede to that point, although i’d argue that the interviewer also allows zizek to appropriately explain himself in depth, such that his points aren’t misconstrued.
The ultra-sadistic end that all those children met in the kibbutzes, both psychological and physical, the details of which many don't know, and the unspeakable fate that is met to captives like Noa Agarmani , it's a level of suffering that people are not realistically acknowledging. It's so extreme that the normal dialogue of disproportion in the war loses all context if you just brush it away, which many people are doing, or outright deny the reality of.
Really liked Zizek, he seems to be a really really authentic dude and a really good person at heart.
Great talk. Zizek is thought provoking as usual.
Really great talk from Slavoj.
Okay. This is serious folks. Zizek comes out absolutely clear. No messing around. I'm not talking about the introduction style. Every point, every story completely en Pointe and crystal clear. We gotta straighten up and get serious now. All hands on deck.
his only point is that now that he is being censored and is irrelevant he wants free speech back, because fascism is not going as planned.
Let me quote that idiot "oh you should not let Hitler speak" "...there is no need to hear the other side of the conversation".
CAre BeAR StaRe!
@@joejohnson6327 very CREe- Aaaa- Tive
I am a Jew who wants to see a free Palestine and it's so refreshing to hear spoken about the Jewish tradition of resistance and liberation from oppression, it hurts my soul that Israel claims to be a Jewish state and uses its Jewishness to justify occupation and genocide. What I find even worse though is that so many in my community cannot see it for what it is. Jews are scared, we always have been - our entire history has been one of oppression. I think it is this fear that motivates so many zionist Jews, it is like it's in our blood to look for a Jewish safe haven. But, the irony is the Israeli occupation of Palestine has only made Jews in Israel and Jews across the world infinitely less safe, while Palestinians die for no good reason. It's awful.
You seem like a really good dude, much love from Scotland!
It's understandable that you feel this way. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a complex and deeply emotional issue, and there are no easy answers. It's important to remember that there are many Israelis and Palestinians who share your desire for peace and justice. There are also many Israelis and Palestinians who are working to build a better future for both peoples.
I encourage you to continue to learn about the conflict and to engage in open and respectful dialogue with people from all sides of the issue. There is no one solution that will satisfy everyone, but I believe that we can all work together to create a future where both Israelis and Palestinians can live in peace and security.
@@henrikfox8960 Whats so complicated about the genocide?
You are a nice guy who is very ignorant of history. I Don’t think that today the Palestinian side is searching for peace. And wake up, Jew people during the last 100 years never was so safe as today.
@@cereszin
Intense and brilliant. Ole you did great.
Well Ollie, I hope you enjoyed your quickie with Slavoj!
As an Israeli I'm astonished by Zizek's clear-sightedness on this. I have never been a fan of Zizek; I think much of his thought is obscurantist, meandering, confused and irrelevant. But here I can vouch for almost everything he says - he obviously really studied the current state of the conflict and has a balanced and multi-faceted understanding.
Here Zizek is speaking less on his work as a philosopher and more from experiencing the collapse of the former Yugoslavia and revival of ethnonationalist war in the region as a Slovenian. IMO where his discussions tend to find their firmest footing - when they are in the context of his own personal observations and not merely derived from principles.
yes and movies@@fenzelian
It’s because unlike some of his most intricate philosophic lectures, here he is talking plainly, with a common sense any person can understand. He is naming historical facts and quotes that don’t require a PhD or complex logical thinking to understand , any sensible human can understand.
I like Zizek, but sometimes he gets to complex, I feared this interview could be like that, so I usually skip them. But once again Zizek is demonstrating he is quite sharp on this subject, for one needs to be sharp in order to explain things everybody can understand.
he haven't. He just says the pop-media culture stuff without knowing full dept of the conflcit.
which "holy" figure is everyone scared to lampoon ?
now you know who the losers are..... it's YOU.
1:00:04 - Really shamefull of u to say such things that gita promotes war and hate. ( obviously u cant say same thing about other religuon otherwise your head will chopped off ). KRISHNA waged war against adharma ( evility ) not against certain belief. If this was really the case then Indian hindus would have never accepted JEWS, BHUDDHIST OR PARSIS in our country.
The "echo thing" the opposite poles playing a similar game. Really resounded with me. Thats exactly what I have been thinking. Doesnt mean you are excusing either. The poles need to move thats clear. Some space for hope and progress.
1:01:30 Bhagavad gita is not a porno dirty book, might you be confusing it with Kama Sutra?
I'm glad we have at least one honest thinker left in this world
oh there are many, but lying people and stupid people are usually louder than the intellectual quiet ones
Thank you for your humanity!
Brilliant analysis.
Interviewer: "For those unfamiliar with who you are, how would you like to introduce yourself?"
Žižek: *sniffs*
Everyone needs a home, garden to grow food and a peaceful life. Leaders who do not support this have failed us.
2:17
Oli was certainly starstruck! :) Great interview!
Just came here from an older interview of Zizek, shocked to see how he’s aged. Let’s hope we see the great man for much longer to come.
I am German and before he finished I knew what he will say - and he is right!
You probably guessed right, but you did not know.
Knowledge can only manifest after the fact.
@@diggie9598 but it sucks when your prediction is right
So all refugees should go to Isreal and all jews should get west Germany xd
@majormononoke8958 forgot your meds?
I'm number one fan of Zizek, read already 3 or 4 of his books, listened almost all his lectures. I agree and enjoyed this one BUT.... still, i would have expected a more clear stance now, notably asking for a cease of fire instead of "annihilation". The situation is utterly obscene, I can't stand on my feet seeing all those (already 4000) children dying. (Not to talk about the ultra fascist violence of settlers from who knows when doing this slow and not so slow ethnic cleansing...). Situation is complex but there still are some CLEAR OBSCENITIES that must end NOW.
AbsoF#ckingLutely!
I found this shocking from Zizek.
Great stuff in here, thanks
thank you for this
47:00 απλά αν μπορώ να προσθέσω ,ότι η πρώτη γενιά μεταναστών έζησε σε χρόνια που ο καπιταλισμός άνθιζε..1950..60..70.. Επίσης, δεν υπήρχε η τεχνολογία για να μπορούν να κρατήσουν τόση επαφή με τα ακραία στοιχεία της πατρίδας τους..
Το πιο σημαντικό όμως κατά τη γνώμη μου είναι το γεγονός ότι σήμερα το κακό έχει εξαπλωθεί πολύ περισσότερο.. Για να το θέσω διαφορετικά, η ανθρωπότητα σαν σύνολο, δεν είχε αποκτηνωθεί στο σημερινό βαθμό.. Ακόμα και δημογραφικά να το δούμε, οι άνθρωποι συγκεντρώθηκαν στις πόλεις και αντί να έχουν κάτι να αγαπάνε [ όπως την φύση που μεγάλωσαν και τους μεγάλωσε..] τους έμαθαν να μισούν ο ένας τον άλλον.. και όχι τους πραγματικά υπεύθυνους για την μιζέρια τους..
Ο πόλεμος στις μέρες μας , πέρα από τη φυσική του μορφή με όλες αυτές τις φρικαλεότητες , διεξάγετε κυρίως σε κάθε τι το πνευματικό .. Πολεμούν οτιδήποτε θα μπορούσε να αφυπνίσει τις συνειδήσεις και να δείξει στον άνθρωπο ότι βασικά αυτό που χρειάζεται είναι ΑΓΑΠΗ ..
Η Αγάπη όμως προς όλα και όλους.. Η ίδια αγάπη που δίδαξε ο Χριστός, ο Βούδας αλλά και ο Πλάτωνας στην πολιτεία του, όταν με απλά λόγια μας λέει να μην θεωρούμε δικά μας , μόνο τα παιδιά μας , αλλά να αγαπάμε όλα τα παιδιά το ίδιο , γιατί μέσα σε αυτά, είναι και τα δικά μας..
Αυτή είναι η βάση της Πολιτείας του !
Ευχαριστώ πολύ ! Με αγάπη από την Ελλάδα ! Βασικό μας αίτημα είναι η αδελφοποίηση όλων των λαών της γης !
Φίλε όμως για να γίνει αδελφοποίηση όλων των λαών πρέπει να ζούμε στον ίδιο πλανήτη...δυστυχώς κάποιοι άνθρωποι είναι ποτισμένοι με το μίσος της θρησκείας και την αγάπη για τον καταναλωτισμό που θέτει σε κίνδυνο τον κόσμο...
He's quite right. As an Israeli, we feel that extremists of both side just want to kick us out, so they could quarrel with each other eternally.
this was so good!
33:39 As _honorary_ *black person* THANK YOU for spreading the story‼️
Poland: *the only* major European country *WITHOUT COLONIES❕❗*
Točno, le da ne vem, zakaj ste izpustili večje število malih evropskih držav, ki niso imele kolonij, ampak je bilo ljudstvo samo kolonija neke večje države: Slovenija v Avstroogrski.
Po drugi strani pa Portugalska, Belgija in Nizozemska niso ravno velike države,pa so vseeno imele velik del sveta v oblasti in ga brezobzirno izkoriščale. Tudi Danska ima zelo čudno politiko na Grenlandiji do prvotnih prebivalcev.
Kolonij pa nimajo Andora, Finska, Norveška, Litva, Latvija, Estonija, Češka, Slovaška, Romunija, Bolgarija, Grčija, Albanija, Hrvaška, Bosna in Hercegovina, Srbija, Makedonija in Črna Gora.
Švedska je še pred 150 leti terorizirala sosednja ljudstva, Švica je nekaj posebnega s svojim finančnim početjem, Madžarska pa je bila skupaj z Avstrijo v dominaciji nad ostalimi ljudstvi v Avstroogrski...
"How would you like to introduce yourself?" is the first question that has ever stumped Zizek 😅
Poor guy seems to have lost his mind , blaming Bhagavad Gita for Nazism is a sign of delusion ! 🤷🏽♂️
"All sides will be losers" is not so much a description of Israel/Palestinians, but of the global nuclear conflagration to which humanity is inexorably drawn.
There is so much history I do not know. Zizek educates me.
There is an interresting article on Norman Finkelstein´s substack: WHAT WOULD MARX SAY ABOUT GAZA
I literally shouted HOT DAMN when I saw this
HOT DIGGETY SCHNIFF!