The genshin player need to voice their opinion with their wallet. The genshin devs won't change if the player keeps spending their money on genshin even when they do a sloppy job on the game
sadly it aint affecting the revenue in fact im expecting it to spike on 5.3 which is a sad predicament and if you expect its players to not spend and get angry later, GI will just give 10 pulls on the 2nd part of 5.3 and thats 90% of the outrage quelled LOL
that's exactly what they doing. they shit with money on scamverse (well funny enough zzz is half dead) and express their opinion that they are happy. scamverse itself sits on their unfrozen throne and swims in nuclear cache. they don't have to do anything.
Now you see the frustration of disillusioned Genshin players like us. Genshin devs know they can get away with this because Genshin CCs and the players created an echo chamber of toxic positivity. Actual one where people can't handle constructive criticism. Honestly, thank god WuWa came. And more competitors for the open-world gacha formula are coming.
I agree. I feel bad for those fans that aren't part of that chamber and just enjoy the game for what it is. Although that seems to be increasingly harder to do
@@NeonInfinity It is hard cause you can't ignore the things they do anymore. People should remember these are gacha games, not just games. Like when they decided to pair Mavuika and Citlali's banner together which is disgusting. I just hope this won't happen to WuWa. They're doing great with PGR even today but WuWa is a different beast to tame.
@@hijodelsoldeoriente bro I wanted both mavuika and citlali and the fact that clorinde and arlecchino are on the 2nd phase doesn't help either. f2p gets shit by genhsin because they really don't care about the low spenders anymore
True. We now have a good game that does every OPPOSITE of the bad system that hoyo does. Kuro Games does better on every part. Before we don't have an option, but now we do. AND its so much better than expected. Like Several Times better consumer care and product quality than Hoyoverse is offering.
@@NeonInfinity fr fr, it's been quite fun for me to notice some cool stuff from other games gacha or non gacha and putting it as suggestion for wuwa 🤣, at the very least i know i'm not giving feedback to a WALL.
I was playing Genshin Impact from day one for around 4 years and unfortunately ,doesn't matter if players are complaining if they don't hit them in the budget. Devs showed from the beginning of the game that they don't care about what players want/need , lack of appreciation and respect so in the end most of us remain with 2 options: accepting what we recive or move on to a different game . For those who invested to much time and money ,leaving the game wasn't a (easy) option . When Wuthering Waves come out, after a week of playing ,i dropped off Genshin and was probably the best decision i could ever made , being an adult with a full job and responsibilities, is fell like my time is respected, my money is invested in the game to be improved, the feedback is appreciated and listened and overall, the game is just beautiful together with the devs team and the community.
Yeah, same here. My interest in Genshin really dropped after Inazuma. I even stopped playing for about 9 months and was just waiting for Sumeru. When it finally came out, it did spark my interest for a bit, but the overly long dialogues were still a drag. By then, I was already looking forward to a better open-world anime-style game. Wuwa had been teased for a while, and I’d been keeping an eye on it. Once it launched, I started playing Genshin less and less. I still log in sometimes, but not for fun mostly just to see how the story ends.
@@reed3863 I have a feeling that CEO just worm up crying, now he is getting ready for THE FINALE with more arguments, less money and players and hopefully being more credible. My popcorn is ready ...:)))
@@Verovera1067 I really love the game and with some small improvements (skip button) for those world quest wich unlock certain areas on the map will make such a big impact for me at least .I don't want to spend hours just chating with NPC for nothing relevant. And ,for the love of God , release more End Game Content to make a use of those characters i build in the last 4 years, is not much asking. Yeah. then I remember....They literally DON'T CARE!
My favourite argument of genshin player is if the game doesn't make million of dollars the game quality of the game will dwindle. Which is weird because in reality there is no correlation between revenue and game quality.
They’re probably think about the amount it takes to hire artists and promoters and animators and stuff like that. But lots of times it’s the opposite, when your game isn’t make as much money, the ceo and devs tend to look at the player feedback to see what’s wrong with it and what can make it better
A friend of mine got me into genshin in 2021. Admittedly, it was a bit of a slog to get into but once I got to Sumeru, the story ensnared me. And that's part of the reason I stick around now, as well as the characters. Each character that's added to the game breathes some manner of life into the world. And the world itself was fantastical, wondrous to explore and the puzzles - while annoying at best - offered unique, and intriguing locales to venture into. Fontaine in particular is my favorite region of the game since I'm a hydro main as well as the sheer scale it hides once you dip down below the surface. At the time, I could see why it held such a monopoly on the gacha community. But, times have changed. They've gotten sloppy, conceited and downright lazy with updates - not to mention very, very greedy. The fact that people defend these practices is one thing, but to outright ostracize and bully anyone who says otherwise into submission is downright... political. They're video games for fuck's sake. Can't we just enjoy games without shitting on the other? Who cares if people enjoy it more than the other? And if you enjoy both? Those individuals do not deserve to be targeted by either community and be left to enjoy whatever the hell they like. Kuro has shown from day one that they have been listening and actively doing everything in their power to make WuWa players' experiences enjoyable. Not only that, they have been expanding and providing things early on that it took Hoyo 5 years to implement, and only after Kuro did it first. So if anything, I'd say a little competition is healthy at this point. And with the VA strike going on, Hoyo is only hurt by that since they employ a ton of renowned voice actors for their characters. Of course, a lot of this can be debunked by someone saying GeNsHiN cOuLd NeVeR or WuWA tRaSh; to which I say - please, get some help.
Seeing archon pyro and chitlali trailer after charlotta trailer make me laugh at how genshin trailer’s is …. Also that 5.3 banner … 2 new limited characters in the same day damn bro and not even get any free reward other than maintenance reward at that banner time :v They really think their players is pig’s
if you are new gacha player, then you might not know the genshin CC war back then with atsu. it was so ridiculous like high school dramas but that drama ended up leaking some information about how genshin contracts their CC
When I started playing genshin Impact (Back in 1.0) I was blown away as it was my first open world game with an actual story and characters. But i just lost interest. Every update it felt like they were just reusing the same formula and sticking to the same recipe. Theyve hardly changed much since the first version. When I started playing WuWa I was immediatly having fun and I started to enjoy it a lot more when kuro was actually introducing fun changed and new event game play. I dont hate genshin, or its community. Im simply dissapointed with the game.
Im sure thats how a lot of others feel too. Its a shame, but it gives a huge opportunity for WuWa to improve on all of its weaknesses and build a game that lasts for years
Hoyo Can Clearly cook . I mean look at Hi3rd and HSR, Heck even ZZZ is awesome. I say this as someone who played alot of gacha games from Fgo to Hi3rd to ,yes Genshin and Wuwa. I may have been Joking about Genshin just being Hoyo's unloved money factory. But looking back I may have not been wrong
@@actuallysatan7105 the only other hoyo gamr ive tried aside from Henshin was zzz, i didnt really stick around though because I didnt kike the lack of exploration. But ive heard other good things about zzz and HSR, a lot of people compare hsr and genshin, its clear who ever is in charge of the decisions for genshin is completely lacking in sympathy and passion for the game as the devs clearly care. Its so sad to see a project that developers are passionate about be hindered and handicapped.
@@iisollated01 I suggest watching the Honkai3rd PVs and Animations. Even if you wont play the game, The Animations would be an obvious indicator to what Genshin could have been. And what Hoyo was
I used to play Genshin a lot (started late, forgot how far in I started, but it was around the introduction of Raiden I think) and I stopped once I got Wriothesley. Personally, the gameplay was fun in combat, outside of it always felt like a chore. Dragged out dialogue sections that have no real skip to them, constant "walk here, talk, walk there, talk" quests, and a feeling that if you aren't around for the introduction of a story quest you'll be buried in side quests to do before making any real progress in the story. Wuwa came along and spiced up everything for me, drastically better combat, actual skippable dialogue sections, sick music, awesome character designs, and cooperative devs. Wuwa felt like it was meant to push Genshin in a direction that could really take things to a new level, and it felt like they started to do so when they introduced the free 5-star. (Failing miserably given that it's a standard banner 5-star)
TLDR: Ex-genshin player get bored, Wuwa make monke cells in noggin go pop, feel that Wuwa scare Genshin into getting better, Genshin did Wuwa thing with free 5-star, fail, go downhill
Yea its so funny that it took them 4 YEARS to give A STANDARD BANNER 5*, after they've been powecreeped and either useless or VERY NICHE. OH WOW, Thanks Hoyo! I'll definitely replace one of my pyro limited DPS for Diluc! Or one of my new supports for Mona/Jean, cause i very surely need them after 4 years and dozens of new characters!
@Gojiradogzillagodzilla The part that makes it hilarious is that Wuwa gave a free standard 5-star when the game was new (meaning only one exclusive 5-star had existed at the time) so it made sense
@@statx2841 Not only that, they also give a free 5* weapon at union level 45 and 5* weapons make a bigger difference. NOT ONLY THAT, even after getting our 5* character, they also give enough standard banner pulls to guarantee ANOTHER ONE in the selective standard 5* banner (or selective 5* weapon if you'd rather have another weapon). So right from the beginning we can get 1 5* character and 1 5* weapon guaranteed, and then choose to get either another standard 5* character or weapon.
I started playing Genshin 7 months ago. I finished all the main story quests and reached level 55 in only 1 month. I logged on every day to do my dailies, etc. When I heard Nathan was coming out, I was expecting a nation of war, not some cartoony BS, so I decided to quit. That's why I decided to only play Wuwa; it's better in almost every way, in my opinion. It feels more like a game or experience, not a gacha game. I'll probably never return to Genshin.
i must have spent about USD 2,000 in Genshin Impact... but seeing how they've reacted since Wuthering Waves came to be... ive uninstalled Genshin Impact and ill keep supporting the KURO team. They made WUWA so good and deserve the love!
I’m a casual player of Genshin. I guess I used to play seriously during the pandemic such I spent so much money in the game. I try to pick it up every once in a while and see what’s going on and I don’t really respect what I see because as a Genshin player we waited years for another game like Genshin. as soon as other ones came out all of a sudden those same players didn’t want new Genshin. I can only assume it was all a playbook by the company because everybody was excited for a new game and then I turned back on a year later and this shit going on.
I feel like a theory I've always had is that Genshin revenue goes into Star Rail and ZZZ, and only a portion of it goes back into Genshin. That's why the story and content is absolute trash.
@@NeonInfinity different Dev teams. It's all Hoyo, but it's not the same people that are working on those titles. Dawei already forced some changes back in the day, because HSR from the very beginning started dropping QoL after QoL that Genshin players asked for years, and suddenly after HSR got it, Genshin started getting some, too. Also, don't be ridiculous. PGR was making a % of Genshin income, and Kuro were still able not only deliver tons of great updates, but also founded Wuwa. HI3rd pre-genshin was never doing double M digits in revenue, and yet, they were able to give us those amazing anime scenes (Final Lesson and tons more) while they also were able to found Genshin team. HSR doesn't even need those money, because they are making as much as Genshin. Dawei just gave them free hands to make Hoyo money. If Genshin can do nothing and still be on top, why would you do anything. You either make games for passion, or for $$$, and sadly the Genshin devs are the second ones.
@@Drejkol The issue is exactly that. The players are held hostage by addiction to spend and gamble for characters that powercreep old ones. While they do look and feel good, the community is desperate for something different in terms of content. This still makes Genshin money regardless of the playerbase behavior. This is just sad considering the boycotts just don't work at all. Unless the people can move to other games, they are mentally stuck and will suffer until Genshin takes a nosedive in revenue.
@@TcorpDon Exactly. We could talk about the problem more in on Reddit or Discord. Here, it's risky to get shadow banned, so even if I don't see your replay in a few days, it's still "was they banned, or just got over" thing.
I mean honestly, as someone who started Genshin in 1.2 (when Albedo and Ganyu first appeared), Genshin could've did a whole lot better with their game. I mean, everyone when 1.4 came out were complaining that there was nothing to do in the game except for spiral abyss. And by the time you can 36 star the abyss, you essentially beat the game. But Hoyo treated their players horribly even before all this crap. Pretty much 2.0 or Inazuma was when everyone was so hyped, and that was the time we would get more electro 5 stars (Keqing was the only electro 5 star in the game at the time). But the anniversary happened. People got pissed not only on the 3 pulls and event, but also when Kokomi came out, people considered her the worst 5 star in the game. She could heal, but couldn't crit. She didn't even have her own artifact set. It got so bad that the CN community issued death threats to the voice actress. Next patch later though, they "fixed" her, giving her her own artifact set. Of course, with each new region they hype it up and then give a new mechanic, but then it's locked behind a character. Inazuma: electro Sumeru: Dendro Fontaine: Ousis/Pneuma Natlan: Nightsoul And of course, except for dendro, only those characters were basically useful in the region they're from. At least the Fontain characters still felt usable outside their region. But Natlan cjaracters felt like they were designed just for that region. And now their archon needs other Natlan characters to even work properly. It's scummy, and I don't know why the casuals don't call out Hoyo for this and the Hoyoshills for defending the game. Pretty much dropped Genshin after 3.0, only returned to get Furina and then bounced completly for Wuwa. Kuro treats their playerbase better and doesn't waste your time and actually make a game, not a simulator (which I feel when playing Genshin)
Same as what my friend did, they returned to get clorinde and dipped. They complained about mechanics being locked behind characters and their mechanics being useless outside of their region
I mean yeah, they're locked behind a pay wall for the most part. The only character I would say makes absolute sense to get for a mexha is was just Furina, because of ce you get her you can pretty much walk on water forever. Anywhere. But anyways, Wuwa learned from Genshin. But I also believed it learned from Tower of Fantasy and tried not to mess up in that regard as to how their relics are and skill sets.
Played Honkai 3rd, Genshin just to the point of meeting Amber, Aether Gazer and WuWa since lunch and have to say... WuWa is god tier in the Gacha genre. Kuro makes all right with their game and handling their players.
Once they started selling exploration QoL behind limited characters,i instantly threw the towel,been playing since 1.2,stopped early 5.0 and never looked back and i feel great Been playing WuWa since launch and the diffrence on how the Devs treat thier players is night and day
5:10 the weapon banner in genshin used to be 50/50 full on, not like today where you have to accumulate 2 point to be guaranteed the weapon. Tectone lost 2k usd to the weapon banner
they funnily also reduced fate point to 1 with 5.0 update, which means the hard pity guarantee (it's earlier if you factor in soft pity) went from....240 pulls to 160 pulls. Fate points still don't carry over between weapon banners btw because we love FOMO. Aaaaaaan it sums up Genshin situation atm. They've been complacent and didn't improve the game for years, and when the time for improvement comes, the improvement are just half-assed and too little, but the community has been starved for improvement for so much that every crumb you get feels like a victory, which is downright sad, especially since at its core, the Genshin experience and recipe IS good and the game's core quality is still absolutely up there ! But scummy gacha practices, lack of QoL and a refusal to iterate and improve upon that existing basis are literally pulling it down.
2:30 bro, The guy absolutely says the terms, it's boring that GI devs and its toxic community want to ruin WW. Being a player of PGR (dad of wuwa) since their launch and WW I am satisfied and I don't get tired of it while hoyoverse and his community are seriously jealous and simply want to destroy the true art of the gacha game.
I still play Genshin even now, but I knew right away after the shit 1st anniversary rewards I had to go completely F2P. So that's what I did. Now I just enjoy it casually and sometimes play for the major updates. But still, I'm honestly surprised people still spend so much on this game.
Four years, and ive truly gotten tired. It may just be truly time to quit Genshin, cause the story has truly gone nowhere. The combat has gone nowhere. The feedback has gone nowhere. Its like waiting for Apple to come out with an update and realizing that recent patch? Yeah, that was added to other phone 5 YEARS ago. Im tired boss.
I am someone that plays Genshin and WuWa. I joined Genshin about at 3.6 I think and I had fun playing it. I caught up by 4.0 and I enjoyed Fontaine and all of 4.X updates. I enjoyed the story (even if the dialog is bloated and the story telling is far from perfect) and I love all of Fontaine characters. For Natlan I expected a litteraly nation of war that they hyped up. Fields of ash and fire of the Mare Javari and whatnot. But what we got is something that is straight up not interesting. Sure I mean the story is not terrible (I havent played the 5.2 story yet) but the characters are so uninteresting and uninspired. The high tech thing doesnt fit in the game or the lore and it makes no sense (I am sure the lore is explained somewhere but I cant be bothered). The region and character locked exploration is really shitty and the pyro archon is just straight up FOMO because her ult basically requires other Natlan characters. As someone who goes after cool characters I had no incentive to pull on any Natlan banner. During the entire 5.X cycle I spent 10 wishes and it was to get Ororon (a 4 star) and thankfully I got him. I was thinking about pulling characters like Chasca or Mavuika but the giant flying gun and bike just threw me off. The only character I was hyped for in Natlan was Capitano and it seems like he wont be playable by what they showed... I still play Genshin a little but I spend no resin and mostly I cant be bothered to do dailies. I have my two main teams built that I need for any content and that is it. I feel just done with Genshin and the way they are treating the playerbase is really shitty. Thank god for WuWa. I am enjoying every bit of that game and I play it daily. Very hyped for 2.0 and the future
The high tech is so weird for me, bro. Fontaine is supposedly one of the most (if not THE most) advanced Nations, yet it's in NATLAN that we find rocket-bikes and f*cking flying cannon? I ended up loving Chasca and her silly cannon, as well as Mavuika because i like bikes, but they feel so out of place.
Wuthering Waves devs strike such a nice balance with their generosity and actually listening to their fanbase it really makes you forget how bad it is in other gacha games. I've been playing Genshin since Year 1 and it's absurd how they marketed some of these recent changes that got people excited to play again, only for them to not actually deliver what they advertise - the once every 3 months choice stat relic comes to mind in particular - and then the community just moves on and hates on anyone who doesn't. Tbh no other game gets away with hoyo does. When genshin came out everyone hated on how expensive 5 star characters were, now it's a standard and expectation. Kuro succeeds despite this, focusing on their own product, and making things fair for their players. And honestly it's incredible to see in a market saturated with greed and malice.
As someone who played genshin first pretty casually, I quickly got annoyed on how difficult it was to pull five stars. I got tired of the repetitive storyline and gameplay. I didn’t get super far in genshin because I just got sick of how everything was designed. Resin sucked. Everything was not very good for a new player either. My friends recommended wuwa and I was a little skeptical at first. I started during shorekeeper’s banner and managed to actually get her! Now I have like 7 five stars when playing genshin for about the same amount of time I have zero. The little quality of life things make the game so much better. The voice acting and story got so much better too! I’m so excited for 2.0 update. The camera angles and character movements during dialogue makes it so much more interesting too! Genshin characters literally just stand there talking. But with wuwa, they walk around, smile, move their hands and the camera takes different angles like their feet or a close up of their faces. I will admit that right now the game is kind of boring since I’ve caught up on all storyline and quests. There’s really only exploration and grinding for upgrade materials. But that is expected since the game is so new
Yeah WuWa does have dead patches because of their longer patch cycle which is being fixed in 2.0! Its all because they pushed 1.1 earlier and it made all the other patches longer
Genshin's biggest fail for me was its hyped "new endgame mode", people had so much expectation and it turned out to be a sh*tty stamina management game, where you just have to selec a few strong/weak characters and balance their stamina to not reach the final boss without having a strong carry, and then you literally solo the boss with 1 unit. If it wasnt for this weird, literally USELESS stamina system, you could literally do the entire game mode with ONE character, specially if you have someone busted like Neuvilette. It feels like they're actively trying to make player's experience WORSE, specially with the Mavuika patch where its PEAK SCUMMY BEHAVIOR.
Hey, just for u to know its not just GI and Wuwa, its GI/Hoyoverse against every other Gacha Community just ask around no other gacha Community likes Hoyoverse and those who likes Hoyoverse in the other Community are Hoyoverse player themself(not bad itself).The Hoyoverse Community are going after Arknights, TOF, WuWa, GFL2 and even the upcoming games like Ananta and NTE. Even in the Hoyoverse Communites they are often against each other thats what cults are doing just saying.
I've played genshin since release and spent well over 1000$ usd across multiple accounts. At first I bandwagoned wuwas hate train but after my grievances with hoyos greed finally overwhelmed my enjoyment of my favorite game I tried wuwa. After being given in 6 months more than genshin ever gave in 4 years I literally cannot play it anymore. It's like going back to an abusive ex after being in a healthy relationship it makes no sense. Just to elaborate I still play zzz because that game feels rewarding still
As a Genshin and Wuthering Waves player I think the best way I can really talk about the drama is that people are just looking at the games and comparing them to one another. It's all about "Genshin this" or "Wuthering Waves that" when people forget that these are just games. People are so stubborn letting their nostalgia cloud their view point and turning their noses to something new. Then there's the other half that just keep comparing the two things that only just further keeps things the way they are. The issue is not of the games and the comparison but the devs behind Genshin. How they even had one of their staff members mistreat a big Japanese streamer Nerumero to the point of excluding him of part taking in offline events despite part of the official Genshin content creators. Ryuuku Sensei made a video on the topic so I recommend watching that. So many people are losing the point of that video and making it Genshin vs Wuthering Waves.
My husband worked for Kuro on a job (he does commercials and events) and they specifically hired him because he worked for Hoyo before and they wanted him to do the same looking work for them. 😂 And then Hoyo is so petty they fight within themselves. He can't let some ppls name be known who work on Genshin sets VS Star Rail sets because they are competing against eachother. It's like a war zone and hoyo is also having a civil war. 😂 (probably a bit dramatic but you get what I mean) But everyone on the sets either love them all or just don't care. 😂
Can someone make a suggestion to wuwa devs to include a hotkey or keybind to lock or select echoes for deletion and also make it so that hovering echoes is enough to show stats
I've played Genshin for years and after playing 5.0 and realising all their QoL improvements are character locked, I decided to finally quit. I might go back if they implement skip button (which they won't so they can brag about how long genshin players play on average even though most of it is just unskippable Paimon yapping). Genshin still has the best OST (imho), but that's about it. Their latest decision to give out free pulls only after 2 new characters' banners end is the stupidest thing I've ever encountered in gacha. The state of Genshin pisses me off so much because I used to love that game and wanted it to be awesome, and yet Hoyo gets away with all this bullshit because they have an army of bootlickers and apologists among the genshin community...
I was a casual genshin player, I started in version 1.3. The game is absolutely going down in flames, the constant drama I see everywhere is so annoying. Before I played genshin I played PGR which is also made by kurogames so I was excited about WW when it first came out but because of storage I had to delete WW. Now after Natlan came out I finally decided to delete genshin and download WW again (After being wishy-washy on genshin) and I don't regret it. Genshin wont change, the fandom is arguing with everyone even themselves.
Same here, started with wuwa and only learned about the 50% 50% chance after getting 5 limited banners in a row 😂, i love how generous and creative they are
I used to play genshin when it first came out like 1.0 and I play it occasionally but everything feels very very samey. I used to be excited for updates but post 3.X nothing is going to change, no skip, no QOL features, just the same shit, so I just moved on to HSR and the overall Roadmap for the game is alot more well done, with genuine moments of excitement and downtime to save up for characters if needed. But now they have the same problem genshin does, the same predatory (If not more so, because of the genre of HSR) behavior of amping up the enemies to ridiculous stats, making every character so good that you sorta have to pull for them. Wuwa is my main game now solely because it doesn't do what genshin does, and why I believe Genshin will most likely hit the same wall that HI3 hit and that's stale updates, little to no plot development, overpowered characters that are must haves to clear End Game content. That's why PGR is still beloved and has a dedicated player base today, Kuro games know how to make games last, and feels like it's a game first then a gacha game. While Mihoyo just feels so damn fucking cooperate, like everything they do just is so damn predatory. Having the lunar rewards (1600 Primo and 10 Pulls) a day after the Miuvika banner? Seriously? Da Wei Crying about how Natlan will be the best update, with QOL updates just for the QOL updates to be even more predatory? Seriously, I genuinely don't understand why Hoyoshills defend Mihoyo with everything they got when you have been treated like shit for 5+ years, and I hope Mihoyo doesn't become the industry standard moving forward (their Implementation of the 50/50 coin flip, no special packages,). I won't touch on the community but TLDR, a bunch of people get stockholm syndrome to defend the a Company that actively lies and takes their money.
didn't play pgr but i was surprise when wuwa was launched how much pgr players loveddd and adored kuro so much, silently supporting their new game wuwa.
I played WuWa when it first came out for about 2 months but ended up going back to Genshin simply because I enjoy the world a little better there. Genshin is very colorful and has happy vibes while WuWa is more dark and serious. It's a very good game. I just am not a big gamer so I don't have time to play both. I may return to check out WuWa again though with their new update. It looks very pretty. 💝💖💗
As a former Genshin player who played since day 1, I'm tired. WuWa felt so much better despite how the story was at the start. Don't have much time nowadays so I stick to zenless. Zenless felt leagues better than the whole of genshin since day 1..even the characters during the story says to "get to the point".. The dailies are quicker, 2400 stamina overflow storage if you somehow can't log in for a month, actual free weekly bosses for 3 claims even if it's THE SAME BOSS..and you can farm more of it after that, you get 240 stamina + free 80 from coffee a day, they even save major events so new players can also experience them and get pull currency while at it! And there's so much more to say what the zenless devs are getting right that genshin devs are just purposely not doing. It's a shame that shills and gatekeepers will try to make it your fault for not agreeing to their objectively bad opinions and game. Maybe that's the reason why the game's not getting any better. 😂
From someone who has been playing Genshin since launch. I miss the VA’s. They got together and did stuff and seeing them and the more creative people of the community was fun. With the VA strike still going on there has been nothing from them interacting. Most of what I see now is complaints about characters and the stuff haters are doing to other games. It makes me sad.
I so so so agree with you. I have been playing Genshin for 3 years and Wuthering since launch and am neutral in this conflict, loving both games. Recently, after having played Genshin for almost every single day, I have been taking a big break from the game. I mis the old Genshin days, because now it just seems like they are just releasing characters for profit. At this point i'm waiting for Natlan(the current region) to be over and hoping the best for Snezhnaya(next region).
17 дней назад
I've been playing genshin as a free to play since the start and the only reason why I still play it is because of the progress I made, because I wanna see the end of the game, and because the exploration is good, except when I cant explore because I have to watch boring stories but generally I still think is fun, but not as fun as wuwa
As an ex-release-date genshin player who was and still is well acquainted with the fandom, and who has now moved on to wuthering waves, I was there to experience how the game and the fandom went to shit overtime. After Sumeru came out, the game started feeling less interesting, and then the waves and waves of cultural appropriation and unnecessary sexualization and lackluster character designs, etc. I remember the 3rd-anniversary rewards gave us only around 1 10 pull on the limited banner. Even the voice actors started getting fed up. Unfortunately, because the devs didn't listen, the community gained toxic positivity and, like Twitter, would set fire to anything against the devs, which got really annoying. Even if a voice actor spoke up about it, the community would put them under fire and the devs for Genshin either didn't care or silenced the voice actor. I loved genshin and the lore of it (in the beginning) and it was really promising, but now every time I look at it, a primogem-shaped hole is carved in my heart, and 15 astrites come to fill it back up. TLDR: Been around since Genshin's release, and loved the game, community, and devs suck, and now the game sucks, WuWa is my life, ILY WUWAAAAAAAA Thank you for reading
Genshin was my favourite game for years until I was absolutely burnt out after Arelecchino and that's when I focused more on hsr. When WuWa came out, I enjoyed the combat and a bit of the exploration (still had ptsd from exploring in genshin especially the desert region) but what really turned me away was the story and the fact my potato device would crash on the same opening cutscene 7 times. I was really tempted to go back after I saw Zhezhi. I absolutely adore her stuttering and buffing my boy Lingyang. (Lingyang lovers arise!!!), and then there's shorekeeper like god damn can this get anymore hype? I also love the men in this game too, they just look delectable. Sadly I can't play until I get a new device that can handle it and I am unwilling to delete zzz and hsr on my ipad 😅
I started gacha games a couple months too but I started with Genshin and then also started playing WuWa. I noticed my preference when I do my pulls. Genshin, I'm hoping to get lucky but with WuWa, I don't mind when I spend money because of how awesome kuro's game devs are. I like both games but Genshin community defending Hoyoverse feels like stockholm syndrome. I think a lot of long-term Genshin players have invested so much time and money (like you said "sunken cost fallacy") that its become a part of their identity (mostly ego). I feel like it's a larger company bullying a smaller upcoming one when their position is being challenged (rightfully so) like when with Nintendo and Palworld. That sentiment bleeds from company to community. Then when comparisons are made and the objective truth is WuWa is better, it's taken as an attack to everything worked for thus far. Companies that make a lot of money for a while tend to get lazy because they know loyalists will always spend the money. Genshin and it's community just needs to hit an "oh shit" moment and then things will (hopefully) change. Until then, I'm looking forward to Rinascita 😄
They've been attacking new gacha games started from 3 years ago and so on, like Tower of Fantasy. I remember this well, I was there playing TOF, and the genshin hordes labeled it as a genshin copy. They even attacked Snow Break, WUWA, Infinity Nikki, and even Neverness to Everness, just for having a CBT1 a couple of weeks ago. I bet Azur Promillia will get attacked too when it comes out. 🤦♂
as a genshin hsr and wuthering wave , i m thankful i m not like one of these people who treat communities as [ cult] more than a hobby gathering to chat and relax
I used to play genshin everyday and it was my first gacha so I did look at with rose tinted glasses until I started other games like wuwa and zzz and they made me realize how much better games are when they actually listen to the player base
I've started Genshin because a friend of mine wanted someone to play with. 100% F2P and so far, the history has been dogshit and rushed most of the time. Sumeru was a good step in the right direction, a bit letdown when Fontaine was revealed as a super clean practically echo friendly place (lore constantly said that it was polluted, even said by an NPC from Fontaine in Sumeru), then comes Natlan, supposed to be a nation of war and brimstone, but turned out as some Disney paradise where death doesn't matter and everything is FOMO. The only positive I give to Natlan, beyond the bosses, is that the enemies don't feel like Sumeru's coked up monkeys (the elemental beast, for example, are extremely overpowered and have shitty mechanics) which cannot be stuned for more than a second and immune to most attacks. Characters are not allowed to show even a smidge of personality or defects, always good. Their characters quest being more about some boring ass NPC that won't shut up for 1 hours then the occasional input from the character. The only reason I've stayed so far is because of Lyney and the other femboys. And this is hard since Genshin always makes the short male characters as either 5 stars that feel like 4 stars (Wanderer) or butchers their kit in one way or another.
I’ve been playing genshin since 2021 and I still play genshin but not as much as I used to. I also stopped spending money because it’s not as interesting as it used to be. It’s getting more boring and boring each update and they honestly never listen to feedback back. I like wuthering waves much more now. I played at launch for a while but had to stop cause my phone couldn’t handle it. I got back into wuwa once it was released for ps5 . Genshin is now collecting dust..!
I quited genshin around emilie and yelan banner, ngl it was hard to quit since i hav put so much time and few money ingame , I had my share of fun when playing it so I'll thank the game for it . I thought ill regret it but somehow it gives me more reasons not to go back .
i've played Genshin since the first week of launch, and i'm very silent in the larger community because of the toxic echo chamber- i stay in other fandoms and only really discuss Genshin with friends since i have enough mental issues to deal with, the Genshin fandom is NOT gonna add onto it 🙏 its bad enough seeing it from a bystander perspective i restrain myself from spending as much as possible now since i'm not very happy with the state of the game, especially with Natlan. i love the region and the story had some very strong moments, but QoL and the whole skin color debate leave a lot to be desired (ive turned to modding because of Natlan which in general has honestly made the game more fun for me, but that's off topic), especially since this was the region i was most excited for since hey, it was gonna have my culture in it! which even then, i only really see it in the region's food/enviornment/music, i didn't see myself in the characters that much- which makes me a bit sad since the characters are the main appeal for this game. thus, i haven't spent a dime on the character banners i liked other than >30 for the Archon since i got impatient (not my proudest moment, i regret it since i could've gotten away with not spending at all for her too) honestly, even though i don't play WuWa that much, im glad it exists and it's actually become a 'threat' to Genshin (unlike Tower of Fantasy, if anyone still remembers that game), since it gives me hope that it'll scare the higher ups that run it to get their shit together and ACTUALLY listen, since we KNOW it's not the entire company at fault due to HSR and ZZZ being much better with responding to the community and things like that, it's the specific higher-ups that control Genshin. i hope other games like Infinity Nikke that dip into the genre Genshin has had a monopoly over for so long prove to be even more competition for Genshin in the future so we can have a better game experience before Snezhnaya releases, since that's gonna be the climax of the entire game and i want to be happier going into the story ive been playing for over 4 years to see, yknow? anyway that's just my perspective on things :]
@@jex-the-notebook-guy1002 Aztec is part of culture, history is a big contributor in culture, so i don't know what you mean by 'what culture?' also, just because its mainly aztec doesn't mean there isn't other cultures mixed in, i'll point towards the Natlan food briefly for this since some of the dishes are/reference classic traditional dishes i've personally had before [the Stuffed N' Mashed Potatoes is a direct recreation of Causa, a dish with ancient Peruvian origins, with the Sour Sauce Ceviche also being a Peruvian dish]. along with this plenty of the OSTs in Natlan give me a sense of familiarity due to the style/instruments being very heavily based on Hispanic culture! the wording makes it hard for me to understand your second sentence but if i'm interpreting it right, you don't take issue with the skin tone debate, but you take issue with redesigns and the accusations thrown at hoyo? if so, i can't change your mind on the redesigns even if i disagree- i personally don't mind most redesigns if they aren't downright ignorant, and i like looking at them. in terms of hoyo, its definitely not the entire company that's racist but there are some issues with the higher-ups. i do agree that people loudly begging for representation is a bit annoying, as usually the people aren't even part of the group they want represented. that doesn't mean there shouldn't be any representation though, as the issue isn't the representation itself, its how its executed! there is plenty of media that does good representation and there's plenty that does it bad, but most people usually focus on the bad/forced representation and in turn make it seem like ALL representation in media is negative, when that isn't the case :] sorry that this reply is long lol
iI've played both games and from what I've seen, they both have their strengths and weaknesses such as any game. Wuwa definitely was a breath of fresh air after playing genshin for 4 long years and even though I dropped wuwa (mostly cuz I just couldn't get myself to play it a whole lot) I enjoyed every moment I did play it and I hope nothing but the best for wuwa and it's players. This constant back and forth of die hard genshin fans attacking wuwa fans for just existing is stupid, we're literally seen devs from both games being friendly and chill with each other. There is no bad blood amongst the devs, so why are the fans so blood-thirsty over nothing? I don't think wuwa will ever be the "genshin killer" that people claim it to be, and not because its not as good as genshin; but because wuwa won't even need to do anything, genshin will kill itself off if it continues down the path it's going. Sadly what I've heard is that the cos of hoyo only really cares about the honkai games and couldn't care less about genshin and that shows, while hi3 and starrail continue to thrive and get updates fans love; genshin has been a burning dumpster fire of a game with Natlan and the devs couldn't care less about how much outrage there's been over the newest region. Genshin will just be the cash cow of hoyo while all their actual love goes towards their other games and it's sad as someone who's been here for 4 years now and at one point saw genshin as my comfort game; I can't even will myself into getting on for a few minutes to do dailies. I'm tired of a game that carely couldn't care less about me or other players. I wish the best of wuwa and hope wuwa fans continue to enjoy the game and to not be scared off from playing wuwa because certain genshin fans don't want others to be happy playing other games.
this video here really encompasses how i feel about the whole genshin and wuwa stuff, people need to start calling out the devs for genshin because attacking genshin itself and calling it genshit isn't gonna do anything, going after the devs and completely tearing them a new one and not giving them your money is what's gonna make the difference. genshin isn't a bad game, it's amazing but the dev's who make it are money hungry pieces of garbage that needs to lose their jobs and go work at a dirty fast foods spot and never work on another game EVER again and needs to be replaced with people who's actually COMPETENT.
Nah, that's not gonna work. I've been calling out devs through feedback for 3 years. Too many bootliickers in the Genshin community. It's a lost cause for the genshin community but still good for the devs cause you know a lot of it are still paying for that 💩. The game was good, but it became stale, paywalled limited characters exploration advantages and become stagnated, so now it's a bad game. The good in it is over. They will keep milking it until EOS.
Same wuwa was my first I love it as f2p I hope they realize genshin not the same as before in old time I used to watch videos about genshin first story it was fun watch but not the same as before I hope some genshin player need to realize the problem after all the toxic community drama and stop support hoyo is not worth it anyway I really can't wait for wuwa update it will be super fun
They hate wuwa because they dont want to lose all the time and money they spend on genshin. A friend refuses to play wuwa because, in his eyes, both games are literally the same, and he just doesn't want to start over.
i both play wuwa and genshin, and both pre registration. so honestly genshin compared to wuthering as how it is now in 2.0 is just so bad i dont even wanna boot up genshin again
i play genshin, but also i play wuwa all the same, or maybe even more.. don't care much for the drama.. no need for all of this nonsense, just enjoy the games. that's the most important thing..
Nah just let Hoyo give out shitty rewards and keep their expensive gacha to make the whale cringe and leave to find other games…that would change Genshin, they been treating players like an ATM now Eventually Genshin will have to fold…and Dawei May Cry 2 will release 😂
I play both Genshin Impact and Wuthering Waves- I love Genshin, been playing since 2.5(ish) but I’ve been playing WuWa since its release and it’s been LOADS better than Genshin has ever been, in exploration, content, and customer appreciation. (To name a few.) Honestly it makes me sad, because I don’t want to see a game I’ve liked for so long crash so dramatically because of another game I’m equally passionate about😅 but yeah, I play WuWa more these days, it’s definitely the better of the two now. It’s sooo refreshing to play a game that doesn’t treat its customer base like trash.
I playing Genshin Impact and I playing Wuwa since came out and I enjoye both. And it sad to see that the major of community is badmouthing each other, wher they only needed to play and enjoy tha games. 😢
I’ve played genshin from the very beginning, and wuwa release made me quit. After playing wuwa just for a few days I got annoyed in genshin whenever I logged in. Although the only thing that honestly annoys me in wuwa is lack of male characters, like man seriously? But whatever I’ll just wait
I play both Genshin and WuWa. But I like WuWa more because WuWa is a type of game that respects my time… Genshin be like: “play this now or you will be left out.” WuWa be like: “Play it when you’re free. We will always be here, you will never be left out”
I play both games and I can tell that genshin is very very underwhelimg, its not just the mechanisc that suck its also the new characters and how the devs literally give us things now one wants etc.
3:30 А может быть разработчики просто устали от того что вы ни одному персонажу в этой игре не цените, постоянно собираете персонажей просто чисто как фигурки в коллекцию и забываете про них, либо собираете себе только для меты. В итоге разработчики просто решили выкатить баннер в котором вы будете сидеть и думать какой конкретно баннер крутить потому что если вам осложнить условия для этого то вы начнёте больше ценить персонажей, больше уделяет внимание сюжету персонажей, больше уделять внимание личностям персонажей ( потому что вы всерьёз будете задумываться какого конкретного персонажа вы больше хотите найти в баннере). Потому что вас по-другому не заставит вообще никак относиться к персонажам вот так. Если сделать персонажа красивыми то вы будете облизываться на этих персонажей, если сделать этих персонажей эффективными в бою то вы будете смотреть на них как игроки из dota 2, вы просто будете собирать модельки в коллекцию И вообще не париться больше вопросом " А что это за персонажи, а какая история этих персонажей, а какой дизайн у этих персонажей, а что хотели авторы может быть через этих персонажей выразить" и вы не будете уделять внимание огромному пласту работы которые делают разработчики. Посмотрите на себя - community genshin постоянно устраивает какие-то инфоповоды и скандалы. По абсолютно тупым причинам. Community любой другой гача игры это просто сборище каких-то людей которые вообще никак не ценят игры эти и уделяют внимание от силы 30% контента. Вам не кажется что этот маркетинговый ход заключался не в жадности разработчиков в банально желании того чтобы вы перестали так делать?
Wuthering wave is an amazing game, and it did overtook genshin. 2.0 is so good I dont even know how they did that in 8 months. there's so much content, QUALITY content
The only thing i like about genshin is sometimes, random bullshit teams can still work because of elemental reactions, meaning some characters can be built differently for different playstyle. Example raiden can be played as either a hypercarry or hyperbloom. Wuwa doesnt have this luxury of throwing random teammates together but it is not a bad thing. Genshin hasnt really evolved since the introduction of dendro. QoL updates are misaligned with what players actually want, no skip button because fuck you that's why, traversal kits locked behind characters, kinda lame tbh. Wuwa introducing flying gadget really heightened the gameplay, but hopefully this gadget is not region locked in Rinascita because it cant be used in Jinzhou 😢
If the defender don't get it... GACHA GAME CAN BE EVEN WORSE! If you don't stop them now it's not even the sky limit too. Nebmarble is the limit and it's horrible... If you think Genshin Impact is the worst there is? They can do it worse. Considering this is still not the worst predatory in all Gacha game. Keep defending and it might win the worst Gacha game in history... Than nobody will be happy
@@jex-the-notebook-guy1002 yea i know im pretty awful myself the only reason i hate genshin is that i played for 2 years and have not won a single 50/50 and you know how hard you need to work for wishes seeing all the hours of grinding go to waste made me resent genshin thats why i quit i still think its a good game tho and i enjoyed my time playing it
I play and love both games a lot (and I still spend money on both of them because I’m a collector) too much to be called a casual player; but I hate all the toxicity from both the Genshin Devs (seriously you’re way too stingy) and fans who just hate on Wuwa for no reason. Serously, why such intense rage over a video game? I have to add that I love Genshin’s world, characters and story (in fact I’d say that the story writing team at least are passionate, even if their bosses aren’t), but Wuwa has the better devs and quality of life. If Genshin is scared of that, they should get off their buts and make improvements. Simple as. Just because you love something, that doesn’t mean you have to put up with sub par treatment. But maybe I’m a hypocrite for spending on both games, while only really complaining about one.
I used to be a big Assassin's Creed fan but it soured me on the entire massive open world genre coz 80% of what I've done is walking. This is the same reason why I never got into Genshin in the first place. This is also why I love ZZZ. However, I am willing to ignore my misgiving with open worlds if the game is good. Now that the context is done, here's the question. Will I enjoy WuWa? or is it another one of those wide open world with the depth of a puddle?
WuWa is way better than genshin, not just open world, but also has great combat too! Its worth a try but if you're soured on open world then id say its a risk
It’s quite the same as Genshin as in there is exploration, and story quests requires you to go here and there. What makes it different is that there are more action packed modes and dungeon-type mode like ZZZ as event quests. So it’s kinda half ZZZ and half Genshin.
@Certain Genshin_Players reading: scram from attacking WuWa commuity in this comment section and just everywhere, if you have nothing pleasant/of substance to say. --- Hi, I subscribed your channel because of this video :) I'm Genshin player since 1.0, very on and off though persistently since beginning of Fontaine which makes over a year now. Currently I'm looking forward to trying WuWa now that it has arrive on PS5! I am aware of Genshin's problems. I don't follow the discussion around them too closely but the claim that this game is strangling into it's problems sounds just too plausible. I am not the kind to shoot the messenger, but thank them kindly so sincerely thanks for your fair take. I personally probably gonna give Mihoyo time till 5.7, until I'll come back to seriously reconsider if there is reason for me to continue. The things in the game which keep me around are ridiculously neglected as they are. I am unfortunately patient older gamer, so this would not be the first game which ruin I would live to see from the front row. Cheers!
genshin was my first gacha game, but if i had to choose? wuwa fs ! wuwa dev team genuinely works super hard for their playerbase its amazing. i hope they get the most rest and stellar revenue !! rinascita hype fr genshin i feel stopped peaking after fontaine.. the difference is wild. natlan had a lot of potential. ill say the archon quest for natlan isnt inherently bad but character rep and all the other stuff… hoyo what yall be doin fr 😨
I love GI, it`s a game that only give us funny moments to those outside the game (I don`t play it). The copping of it`s r/gachagaming zealots is the best I`ve seen, and I`ve been playing gacha before hoyo even exist (I saw things that no normal mind should). Every week twitter go crazy about someone copying GI. Now our lord Da Wei gave 10 pulls after the banners. I loled hard. I can`t wait to see the next live Da Wei crying because people is complaining about the dick move they pulled. xD
Pretty goofy people. I'm just gonna play what I like, gacha tribalism is stupid. I always find some fans on social media who need to feel superior about thier game, like calm down you didn't make it lol just relax and enjoy whatever it is you do. I'm sure you'll end up happier and less bitter that way. I'm very excited for SSR Rapi banner and Carlotta, I really like guns and exploration praying I don't lose the 50/50, but it's gonna be a good week for the games I play!
I have been playing Genshin since patch 1.4 and have enjoyed the game with my friend. However, after playing the Inazuma patch, my feelings toward the game became more bitter. I absolutely did not like the Inazuma story, even though my favorite character is from Inazuma. The story in Sumeru was good, and Fontaine’s was great. But my joy in the game kept fading, especially while wandering through the desert. I found myself preferring the underwater exploration in Tower of Fantasy over Genshin’s. The community made things worse. It’s full of childish players who cannot accept opinions other than their own. The core problem seems to be the Shipper Wars, you can't ship this, you can only ship that. Straight couples? you’re homophobic. Same-gender ships? f**k off get lost. Even as a Yuri fan who loves reading GL manga and enjoying fan art, I felt uncomfortable when I saw Hoyoverse introduced (it felt like) lgbt contents. Eventually, I decided to stop playing all Hoyoverse games. Yet, I still miss my favorite characters. When her birthday comes around, I reinstall the game to wander the map with her, reliving bittersweet memories and then uninstall the game. Now, I play Wuthering Waves, but I don’t dare to join the community because I’m too scared.
Some might say you're farming drama to get views but I like what you're doing and other CCs farming drama because of this Bullcrap that is happening. It's entertaining to see the WHITE KNIGHTS of Genshin coping hard to defend their game and continously eat shit.
Played Genshin since launch to 5.1 & I must say, Wuthering Waves is a Better Game in Many Many aspects. this is not being biased or what, It's just a Fact. Kuro Games are way too generous, listening to the player base, absolute cinema, the quality of life in game is great and it keeps improving, Kuro Devs are adding things every now and then. So yeah.. genshin player base can't just accept how Greedy genshin was, how genshin don't listen to their community, how genshin being stubborn, -- you see, all the money they got on Genshin, they made it Star Rail and ZZZ and those two games are generous, better and the Milking Game Genshin, gets left behind big time.. then WuWa came, and now, WuWa is the New King or should I say, the STANDARD.
Listen my guy i was also new to gacha my first was genshit 4.2 i commented on hoyolab in favor of Chinese community who were in controversy of 3 whole pulls in lantern rite. And I'd say i hurt thousands of brainded kids that day
Wuthering waves is so fun. Good thing i didn't stick around to see the downfall of genshin impact. It was fun at first but it kept adding new areas and the size kept increasing i don't i dont like when a game keeps adding 7-8 different areas with same content as previous areas just another area to grind. I hope wuthering keeps it different and fun not just reskin persay
2.0 is looking like it'll diverge from genshin with the repetitiveness, im not seeing much from the update that looks too familiar apart from base game mechanics which is a good sign
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The genshin player need to voice their opinion with their wallet. The genshin devs won't change if the player keeps spending their money on genshin even when they do a sloppy job on the game
Exactly. It just adds to this negative feedback loop where no criticism actually reaches the devs
sadly it aint affecting the revenue in fact im expecting it to spike on 5.3 which is a sad predicament
and if you expect its players to not spend and get angry later, GI will just give 10 pulls on the 2nd part of 5.3 and thats 90% of the outrage quelled LOL
that's exactly what they doing. they shit with money on scamverse (well funny enough zzz is half dead) and express their opinion that they are happy. scamverse itself sits on their unfrozen throne and swims in nuclear cache. they don't have to do anything.
@@ilyashutko9247 i don't understand, like, i actually don't. Can you explain?
@@trollmen0768 people pay, scamverse feel good
Major update every 6 month a bit worried... I hope the dev and team got enough rest and don't overworked themselves
Agreed. Im all for it as long as Kuro doesnt get overworked or lose the soul of the game in the rush
Don't worry, they have increased their dev and writing team by alot since 1.0 release.
They will need to put in the overtime since the anniversary is in about 6 months
Back in release people reported the lights always being on for them, I genuinely hope they're resting better after such a great update.
Now you see the frustration of disillusioned Genshin players like us. Genshin devs know they can get away with this because Genshin CCs and the players created an echo chamber of toxic positivity. Actual one where people can't handle constructive criticism.
Honestly, thank god WuWa came. And more competitors for the open-world gacha formula are coming.
I agree. I feel bad for those fans that aren't part of that chamber and just enjoy the game for what it is. Although that seems to be increasingly harder to do
FOMO too, genshin players already put a lot of time and money, its Hard sometimes to let go and see how badly things really are :/
@@NeonInfinity It is hard cause you can't ignore the things they do anymore. People should remember these are gacha games, not just games. Like when they decided to pair Mavuika and Citlali's banner together which is disgusting.
I just hope this won't happen to WuWa. They're doing great with PGR even today but WuWa is a different beast to tame.
@@hijodelsoldeoriente bro I wanted both mavuika and citlali and the fact that clorinde and arlecchino are on the 2nd phase doesn't help either. f2p gets shit by genhsin because they really don't care about the low spenders anymore
True. We now have a good game that does every OPPOSITE of the bad system that hoyo does. Kuro Games does better on every part. Before we don't have an option, but now we do. AND its so much better than expected. Like Several Times better consumer care and product quality than Hoyoverse is offering.
I think from the start of wuwa, i already putting 5 suggestion on wuwa feedback menu now 3 of it already fulfilled lmao
Kuro is locked in with the feedback fr
@@NeonInfinity fr fr, it's been quite fun for me to notice some cool stuff from other games gacha or non gacha and putting it as suggestion for wuwa 🤣, at the very least i know i'm not giving feedback to a WALL.
I always give them compliments in the surveys, AND I RARELY care for ANY game surveys. Wuwa just hits diff in a good way
@@rz3264can you help me figure out where to give feedback?
I was playing Genshin Impact from day one for around 4 years and unfortunately ,doesn't matter if players are complaining if they don't hit them in the budget. Devs showed from the beginning of the game that they don't care about what players want/need , lack of appreciation and respect so in the end most of us remain with 2 options: accepting what we recive or move on to a different game . For those who invested to much time and money ,leaving the game wasn't a (easy) option .
When Wuthering Waves come out, after a week of playing ,i dropped off Genshin and was probably the best decision i could ever made , being an adult with a full job and responsibilities, is fell like my time is respected, my money is invested in the game to be improved, the feedback is appreciated and listened and overall, the game is just beautiful together with the devs team and the community.
B-but their CEO cried on stage! 😂
Yeah, same here. My interest in Genshin really dropped after Inazuma. I even stopped playing for about 9 months and was just waiting for Sumeru. When it finally came out, it did spark my interest for a bit, but the overly long dialogues were still a drag.
By then, I was already looking forward to a better open-world anime-style game. Wuwa had been teased for a while, and I’d been keeping an eye on it. Once it launched, I started playing Genshin less and less. I still log in sometimes, but not for fun mostly just to see how the story ends.
Yup! I echo that sentiment about WuWa too
@@reed3863 I have a feeling that CEO just worm up crying, now he is getting ready for THE FINALE with more arguments, less money and players and hopefully being more credible. My popcorn is ready ...:)))
@@Verovera1067 I really love the game and with some small improvements (skip button) for those world quest wich unlock certain areas on the map will make such a big impact for me at least .I don't want to spend hours just chating with NPC for nothing relevant.
And ,for the love of God , release more End Game Content to make a use of those characters i build in the last 4 years, is not much asking.
Yeah. then I remember....They literally DON'T CARE!
My favourite argument of genshin player is if the game doesn't make million of dollars the game quality of the game will dwindle.
Which is weird because in reality there is no correlation between revenue and game quality.
Correct! I fear that no matter how much money those devs get they wont ever stop with their greed and not pushing genuinely good qol updates
Prety ironic coming from a game that get worst overtime despite it raking thoes milion
They’re probably think about the amount it takes to hire artists and promoters and animators and stuff like that. But lots of times it’s the opposite, when your game isn’t make as much money, the ceo and devs tend to look at the player feedback to see what’s wrong with it and what can make it better
A friend of mine got me into genshin in 2021. Admittedly, it was a bit of a slog to get into but once I got to Sumeru, the story ensnared me. And that's part of the reason I stick around now, as well as the characters. Each character that's added to the game breathes some manner of life into the world. And the world itself was fantastical, wondrous to explore and the puzzles - while annoying at best - offered unique, and intriguing locales to venture into. Fontaine in particular is my favorite region of the game since I'm a hydro main as well as the sheer scale it hides once you dip down below the surface. At the time, I could see why it held such a monopoly on the gacha community.
But, times have changed. They've gotten sloppy, conceited and downright lazy with updates - not to mention very, very greedy. The fact that people defend these practices is one thing, but to outright ostracize and bully anyone who says otherwise into submission is downright... political. They're video games for fuck's sake. Can't we just enjoy games without shitting on the other? Who cares if people enjoy it more than the other? And if you enjoy both? Those individuals do not deserve to be targeted by either community and be left to enjoy whatever the hell they like.
Kuro has shown from day one that they have been listening and actively doing everything in their power to make WuWa players' experiences enjoyable. Not only that, they have been expanding and providing things early on that it took Hoyo 5 years to implement, and only after Kuro did it first. So if anything, I'd say a little competition is healthy at this point. And with the VA strike going on, Hoyo is only hurt by that since they employ a ton of renowned voice actors for their characters.
Of course, a lot of this can be debunked by someone saying GeNsHiN cOuLd NeVeR or WuWA tRaSh;
to which I say - please, get some help.
Apparently the voice actor for carlotta is the same voice actor who voiced shadowheart
Correct!
So that's why she sounds so familiar...
Jp is the rin tosaka too. Had to listen to both trailers
Genshills would rather blame and attack Voice Actors and Google Classrooms rather than the Hoyoverse's mistakes.
Genshills, about right 💀💀
such a cringr word to use
Seeing archon pyro and chitlali trailer after charlotta trailer make me laugh at how genshin trailer’s is ….
Also that 5.3 banner … 2 new limited characters in the same day damn bro and not even get any free reward other than maintenance reward at that banner time :v
They really think their players is pig’s
The drama isn't just silly, it is tomfoolery.
Precisely
if you are new gacha player, then you might not know the genshin CC war back then with atsu. it was so ridiculous like high school dramas but that drama ended up leaking some information about how genshin contracts their CC
Ive heard about it slightly from my friend at the time, wasnt a good impression lol
When I started playing genshin Impact (Back in 1.0) I was blown away as it was my first open world game with an actual story and characters. But i just lost interest. Every update it felt like they were just reusing the same formula and sticking to the same recipe. Theyve hardly changed much since the first version. When I started playing WuWa I was immediatly having fun and I started to enjoy it a lot more when kuro was actually introducing fun changed and new event game play. I dont hate genshin, or its community. Im simply dissapointed with the game.
Im sure thats how a lot of others feel too. Its a shame, but it gives a huge opportunity for WuWa to improve on all of its weaknesses and build a game that lasts for years
This needs to go up
Hoyo Can Clearly cook . I mean look at Hi3rd and HSR, Heck even ZZZ is awesome.
I say this as someone who played alot of gacha games from Fgo to Hi3rd to ,yes Genshin and Wuwa.
I may have been Joking about Genshin just being Hoyo's unloved money factory. But looking back I may have not been wrong
@@actuallysatan7105 the only other hoyo gamr ive tried aside from Henshin was zzz, i didnt really stick around though because I didnt kike the lack of exploration. But ive heard other good things about zzz and HSR, a lot of people compare hsr and genshin, its clear who ever is in charge of the decisions for genshin is completely lacking in sympathy and passion for the game as the devs clearly care. Its so sad to see a project that developers are passionate about be hindered and handicapped.
@@iisollated01 I suggest watching the Honkai3rd PVs and Animations. Even if you wont play the game, The Animations would be an obvious indicator to what Genshin could have been. And what Hoyo was
I used to play Genshin a lot (started late, forgot how far in I started, but it was around the introduction of Raiden I think) and I stopped once I got Wriothesley. Personally, the gameplay was fun in combat, outside of it always felt like a chore.
Dragged out dialogue sections that have no real skip to them, constant "walk here, talk, walk there, talk" quests, and a feeling that if you aren't around for the introduction of a story quest you'll be buried in side quests to do before making any real progress in the story.
Wuwa came along and spiced up everything for me, drastically better combat, actual skippable dialogue sections, sick music, awesome character designs, and cooperative devs.
Wuwa felt like it was meant to push Genshin in a direction that could really take things to a new level, and it felt like they started to do so when they introduced the free 5-star. (Failing miserably given that it's a standard banner 5-star)
TLDR: Ex-genshin player get bored, Wuwa make monke cells in noggin go pop, feel that Wuwa scare Genshin into getting better, Genshin did Wuwa thing with free 5-star, fail, go downhill
They really saw that they fumbled, lost it all and couldn't even get any players back 💀
Yea its so funny that it took them 4 YEARS to give A STANDARD BANNER 5*, after they've been powecreeped and either useless or VERY NICHE.
OH WOW, Thanks Hoyo! I'll definitely replace one of my pyro limited DPS for Diluc! Or one of my new supports for Mona/Jean, cause i very surely need them after 4 years and dozens of new characters!
@Gojiradogzillagodzilla The part that makes it hilarious is that Wuwa gave a free standard 5-star when the game was new (meaning only one exclusive 5-star had existed at the time) so it made sense
@@statx2841 Not only that, they also give a free 5* weapon at union level 45 and 5* weapons make a bigger difference.
NOT ONLY THAT, even after getting our 5* character, they also give enough standard banner pulls to guarantee ANOTHER ONE in the selective standard 5* banner (or selective 5* weapon if you'd rather have another weapon).
So right from the beginning we can get 1 5* character and 1 5* weapon guaranteed, and then choose to get either another standard 5* character or weapon.
I started playing Genshin 7 months ago. I finished all the main story quests and reached level 55 in only 1 month. I logged on every day to do my dailies, etc. When I heard Nathan was coming out, I was expecting a nation of war, not some cartoony BS, so I decided to quit. That's why I decided to only play Wuwa; it's better in almost every way, in my opinion. It feels more like a game or experience, not a gacha game. I'll probably never return to Genshin.
i must have spent about USD 2,000 in Genshin Impact... but seeing how they've reacted since Wuthering Waves came to be... ive uninstalled Genshin Impact and ill keep supporting the KURO team. They made WUWA so good and deserve the love!
Damn, I feel sorry for you man
@@NeonInfinity dont be :) water under the bridge mate. Im just happy to be on the WUWA ship now
All aboard!!
I also spent ~2 grand and left Genshin for Wuwa. I feel like I only played Genshin since “I already spent so much.”
I’m a casual player of Genshin. I guess I used to play seriously during the pandemic such I spent so much money in the game. I try to pick it up every once in a while and see what’s going on and I don’t really respect what I see because as a Genshin player we waited years for another game like Genshin. as soon as other ones came out all of a sudden those same players didn’t want new Genshin. I can only assume it was all a playbook by the company because everybody was excited for a new game and then I turned back on a year later and this shit going on.
A bit hypocritical from those fans 💀
I feel like a theory I've always had is that Genshin revenue goes into Star Rail and ZZZ, and only a portion of it goes back into Genshin. That's why the story and content is absolute trash.
Its possible, how can those 2 games be so good yet genshin be so bad 💀
@@NeonInfinity different Dev teams. It's all Hoyo, but it's not the same people that are working on those titles. Dawei already forced some changes back in the day, because HSR from the very beginning started dropping QoL after QoL that Genshin players asked for years, and suddenly after HSR got it, Genshin started getting some, too.
Also, don't be ridiculous. PGR was making a % of Genshin income, and Kuro were still able not only deliver tons of great updates, but also founded Wuwa. HI3rd pre-genshin was never doing double M digits in revenue, and yet, they were able to give us those amazing anime scenes (Final Lesson and tons more) while they also were able to found Genshin team. HSR doesn't even need those money, because they are making as much as Genshin.
Dawei just gave them free hands to make Hoyo money. If Genshin can do nothing and still be on top, why would you do anything. You either make games for passion, or for $$$, and sadly the Genshin devs are the second ones.
@@Drejkol The issue is exactly that. The players are held hostage by addiction to spend and gamble for characters that powercreep old ones. While they do look and feel good, the community is desperate for something different in terms of content. This still makes Genshin money regardless of the playerbase behavior. This is just sad considering the boycotts just don't work at all. Unless the people can move to other games, they are mentally stuck and will suffer until Genshin takes a nosedive in revenue.
@@TcorpDon Exactly. We could talk about the problem more in on Reddit or Discord. Here, it's risky to get shadow banned, so even if I don't see your replay in a few days, it's still "was they banned, or just got over" thing.
I mean honestly, as someone who started Genshin in 1.2 (when Albedo and Ganyu first appeared), Genshin could've did a whole lot better with their game. I mean, everyone when 1.4 came out were complaining that there was nothing to do in the game except for spiral abyss. And by the time you can 36 star the abyss, you essentially beat the game. But Hoyo treated their players horribly even before all this crap. Pretty much 2.0 or Inazuma was when everyone was so hyped, and that was the time we would get more electro 5 stars (Keqing was the only electro 5 star in the game at the time). But the anniversary happened. People got pissed not only on the 3 pulls and event, but also when Kokomi came out, people considered her the worst 5 star in the game. She could heal, but couldn't crit. She didn't even have her own artifact set. It got so bad that the CN community issued death threats to the voice actress. Next patch later though, they "fixed" her, giving her her own artifact set.
Of course, with each new region they hype it up and then give a new mechanic, but then it's locked behind a character. Inazuma: electro
Sumeru: Dendro
Fontaine: Ousis/Pneuma
Natlan: Nightsoul
And of course, except for dendro, only those characters were basically useful in the region they're from. At least the Fontain characters still felt usable outside their region. But Natlan cjaracters felt like they were designed just for that region. And now their archon needs other Natlan characters to even work properly. It's scummy, and I don't know why the casuals don't call out Hoyo for this and the Hoyoshills for defending the game.
Pretty much dropped Genshin after 3.0, only returned to get Furina and then bounced completly for Wuwa. Kuro treats their playerbase better and doesn't waste your time and actually make a game, not a simulator (which I feel when playing Genshin)
Same as what my friend did, they returned to get clorinde and dipped. They complained about mechanics being locked behind characters and their mechanics being useless outside of their region
I mean yeah, they're locked behind a pay wall for the most part. The only character I would say makes absolute sense to get for a mexha is was just Furina, because of ce you get her you can pretty much walk on water forever. Anywhere.
But anyways, Wuwa learned from Genshin. But I also believed it learned from Tower of Fantasy and tried not to mess up in that regard as to how their relics are and skill sets.
Played Honkai 3rd, Genshin just to the point of meeting Amber, Aether Gazer and WuWa since lunch and have to say... WuWa is god tier in the Gacha genre. Kuro makes all right with their game and handling their players.
I agree. Theyve done a brilliant job so far
Maybe should check out PGR then
Once they started selling exploration QoL behind limited characters,i instantly threw the towel,been playing since 1.2,stopped early 5.0 and never looked back and i feel great
Been playing WuWa since launch and the diffrence on how the Devs treat thier players is night and day
Its a huge difference. My friends have described it like being free from prison
5:10 the weapon banner in genshin used to be 50/50 full on, not like today where you have to accumulate 2 point to be guaranteed the weapon. Tectone lost 2k usd to the weapon banner
2 thousand dollars for a weapon??? 😭😭😭
they funnily also reduced fate point to 1 with 5.0 update, which means the hard pity guarantee (it's earlier if you factor in soft pity) went from....240 pulls to 160 pulls. Fate points still don't carry over between weapon banners btw because we love FOMO.
Aaaaaaan it sums up Genshin situation atm. They've been complacent and didn't improve the game for years, and when the time for improvement comes, the improvement are just half-assed and too little, but the community has been starved for improvement for so much that every crumb you get feels like a victory, which is downright sad, especially since at its core, the Genshin experience and recipe IS good and the game's core quality is still absolutely up there ! But scummy gacha practices, lack of QoL and a refusal to iterate and improve upon that existing basis are literally pulling it down.
Aint no way bruh 💀 this hurt me as 3rd world enjoyer
With that money i can pay like 4 month of rent
tectone is shi and he deserves that😂
plus 2 points doesnt exist anymore bro its 1
2:30 bro, The guy absolutely says the terms, it's boring that GI devs and its toxic community want to ruin WW. Being a player of PGR (dad of wuwa) since their launch and WW I am satisfied and I don't get tired of it while hoyoverse and his community are seriously jealous and simply want to destroy the true art of the gacha game.
If they cant have it, nobody can ahh fanbase
I still play Genshin even now, but I knew right away after the shit 1st anniversary rewards I had to go completely F2P. So that's what I did. Now I just enjoy it casually and sometimes play for the major updates. But still, I'm honestly surprised people still spend so much on this game.
I feel sorry for those that do
Four years, and ive truly gotten tired. It may just be truly time to quit Genshin, cause the story has truly gone nowhere. The combat has gone nowhere. The feedback has gone nowhere. Its like waiting for Apple to come out with an update and realizing that recent patch? Yeah, that was added to other phone 5 YEARS ago. Im tired boss.
5 years too long. Come to the light side with WuWa 😂
I am someone that plays Genshin and WuWa. I joined Genshin about at 3.6 I think and I had fun playing it. I caught up by 4.0 and I enjoyed Fontaine and all of 4.X updates. I enjoyed the story (even if the dialog is bloated and the story telling is far from perfect) and I love all of Fontaine characters.
For Natlan I expected a litteraly nation of war that they hyped up. Fields of ash and fire of the Mare Javari and whatnot. But what we got is something that is straight up not interesting. Sure I mean the story is not terrible (I havent played the 5.2 story yet) but the characters are so uninteresting and uninspired. The high tech thing doesnt fit in the game or the lore and it makes no sense (I am sure the lore is explained somewhere but I cant be bothered). The region and character locked exploration is really shitty and the pyro archon is just straight up FOMO because her ult basically requires other Natlan characters.
As someone who goes after cool characters I had no incentive to pull on any Natlan banner. During the entire 5.X cycle I spent 10 wishes and it was to get Ororon (a 4 star) and thankfully I got him. I was thinking about pulling characters like Chasca or Mavuika but the giant flying gun and bike just threw me off.
The only character I was hyped for in Natlan was Capitano and it seems like he wont be playable by what they showed...
I still play Genshin a little but I spend no resin and mostly I cant be bothered to do dailies. I have my two main teams built that I need for any content and that is it. I feel just done with Genshin and the way they are treating the playerbase is really shitty.
Thank god for WuWa. I am enjoying every bit of that game and I play it daily. Very hyped for 2.0 and the future
Thanks for the comment! My friend said that they enjoyed fontaine, and then they go and release natlan... what a downgrade
The high tech is so weird for me, bro. Fontaine is supposedly one of the most (if not THE most) advanced Nations, yet it's in NATLAN that we find rocket-bikes and f*cking flying cannon?
I ended up loving Chasca and her silly cannon, as well as Mavuika because i like bikes, but they feel so out of place.
Wuthering Waves devs strike such a nice balance with their generosity and actually listening to their fanbase it really makes you forget how bad it is in other gacha games. I've been playing Genshin since Year 1 and it's absurd how they marketed some of these recent changes that got people excited to play again, only for them to not actually deliver what they advertise - the once every 3 months choice stat relic comes to mind in particular - and then the community just moves on and hates on anyone who doesn't.
Tbh no other game gets away with hoyo does. When genshin came out everyone hated on how expensive 5 star characters were, now it's a standard and expectation. Kuro succeeds despite this, focusing on their own product, and making things fair for their players. And honestly it's incredible to see in a market saturated with greed and malice.
Exactly. If a non Hoyo gacha did stuff the stuff genshin is doing itd be burned to the ground in days
Genshin players couldn't watch this video until the very end
Thats what I was thinking 💀
Funny how we with the skip button somehow can. 😂
This might be worst than the 3 pulls for Genshin...like getting the pulls after the banners is insane
Literally teasing the players 💀
Guys dont forget, Genshin’s revenue is 40 million + each update, that means the game is good!
Surely, right? 💀
@ 100% 💀
As someone who played genshin first pretty casually, I quickly got annoyed on how difficult it was to pull five stars. I got tired of the repetitive storyline and gameplay. I didn’t get super far in genshin because I just got sick of how everything was designed. Resin sucked. Everything was not very good for a new player either. My friends recommended wuwa and I was a little skeptical at first. I started during shorekeeper’s banner and managed to actually get her! Now I have like 7 five stars when playing genshin for about the same amount of time I have zero. The little quality of life things make the game so much better. The voice acting and story got so much better too! I’m so excited for 2.0 update. The camera angles and character movements during dialogue makes it so much more interesting too! Genshin characters literally just stand there talking. But with wuwa, they walk around, smile, move their hands and the camera takes different angles like their feet or a close up of their faces. I will admit that right now the game is kind of boring since I’ve caught up on all storyline and quests. There’s really only exploration and grinding for upgrade materials. But that is expected since the game is so new
Yeah WuWa does have dead patches because of their longer patch cycle which is being fixed in 2.0! Its all because they pushed 1.1 earlier and it made all the other patches longer
@ yeah exactly, it’s understandable. I prefer wuwa over genshin 1000000 times over genshin
Glad to see new content creator speaking out been three years playing genshin im really sick of their devs
We all need to play a part in it!
Genshin's biggest fail for me was its hyped "new endgame mode", people had so much expectation and it turned out to be a sh*tty stamina management game, where you just have to selec a few strong/weak characters and balance their stamina to not reach the final boss without having a strong carry, and then you literally solo the boss with 1 unit.
If it wasnt for this weird, literally USELESS stamina system, you could literally do the entire game mode with ONE character, specially if you have someone busted like Neuvilette.
It feels like they're actively trying to make player's experience WORSE, specially with the Mavuika patch where its PEAK SCUMMY BEHAVIOR.
Hey, just for u to know its not just GI and Wuwa, its GI/Hoyoverse against every other Gacha Community just ask around no other gacha Community likes Hoyoverse and those who likes Hoyoverse in the other Community are Hoyoverse player themself(not bad itself).The Hoyoverse Community are going after Arknights, TOF, WuWa, GFL2 and even the upcoming games like Ananta and NTE. Even in the Hoyoverse Communites they are often against each other thats what cults are doing just saying.
The tribalism is worse than I thought 😬
@@NeonInfinity it will get worse when NTE, Ananta etc. are live
@@PurbleSunAnd we'll be there with popcorn. 😂
@@reed3863 with what flavour?
@@PurbleSun Salty tears, I think?
I've played genshin since release and spent well over 1000$ usd across multiple accounts. At first I bandwagoned wuwas hate train but after my grievances with hoyos greed finally overwhelmed my enjoyment of my favorite game I tried wuwa. After being given in 6 months more than genshin ever gave in 4 years I literally cannot play it anymore. It's like going back to an abusive ex after being in a healthy relationship it makes no sense. Just to elaborate I still play zzz because that game feels rewarding still
Welcome to the light side lol
As a Genshin and Wuthering Waves player I think the best way I can really talk about the drama is that people are just looking at the games and comparing them to one another. It's all about "Genshin this" or "Wuthering Waves that" when people forget that these are just games. People are so stubborn letting their nostalgia cloud their view point and turning their noses to something new. Then there's the other half that just keep comparing the two things that only just further keeps things the way they are. The issue is not of the games and the comparison but the devs behind Genshin. How they even had one of their staff members mistreat a big Japanese streamer Nerumero to the point of excluding him of part taking in offline events despite part of the official Genshin content creators. Ryuuku Sensei made a video on the topic so I recommend watching that. So many people are losing the point of that video and making it Genshin vs Wuthering Waves.
My husband worked for Kuro on a job (he does commercials and events) and they specifically hired him because he worked for Hoyo before and they wanted him to do the same looking work for them. 😂 And then Hoyo is so petty they fight within themselves. He can't let some ppls name be known who work on Genshin sets VS Star Rail sets because they are competing against eachother. It's like a war zone and hoyo is also having a civil war. 😂 (probably a bit dramatic but you get what I mean)
But everyone on the sets either love them all or just don't care. 😂
Damn, insider information 😂
lol this is actually absolute cinema 😂
Can someone make a suggestion to wuwa devs to include a hotkey or keybind to lock or select echoes for deletion and also make it so that hovering echoes is enough to show stats
Honestly try to make it a suggestion on their official pages, they do listen!
I think it's a thing... actually it's not, will suggest!
Feedback survey. They look at those. Unlike Genshin devs
I've played Genshin for years and after playing 5.0 and realising all their QoL improvements are character locked, I decided to finally quit. I might go back if they implement skip button (which they won't so they can brag about how long genshin players play on average even though most of it is just unskippable Paimon yapping). Genshin still has the best OST (imho), but that's about it. Their latest decision to give out free pulls only after 2 new characters' banners end is the stupidest thing I've ever encountered in gacha. The state of Genshin pisses me off so much because I used to love that game and wanted it to be awesome, and yet Hoyo gets away with all this bullshit because they have an army of bootlickers and apologists among the genshin community...
Locking mechanics and QoL behind paywalls is so scummy, I sure hope Kuro doesnt do that
I was a casual genshin player, I started in version 1.3. The game is absolutely going down in flames, the constant drama I see everywhere is so annoying. Before I played genshin I played PGR which is also made by kurogames so I was excited about WW when it first came out but because of storage I had to delete WW. Now after Natlan came out I finally decided to delete genshin and download WW again (After being wishy-washy on genshin) and I don't regret it. Genshin wont change, the fandom is arguing with everyone even themselves.
Aye! Another newbie like me. Wuthering Waves was also my first gacha. I'm also playing ZZZ as well.
Wuwa as a first gacha must be a blessing
Same here, started with wuwa and only learned about the 50% 50% chance after getting 5 limited banners in a row 😂, i love how generous and creative they are
I used to play genshin when it first came out like 1.0 and I play it occasionally but everything feels very very samey. I used to be excited for updates but post 3.X nothing is going to change, no skip, no QOL features, just the same shit, so I just moved on to HSR and the overall Roadmap for the game is alot more well done, with genuine moments of excitement and downtime to save up for characters if needed. But now they have the same problem genshin does, the same predatory (If not more so, because of the genre of HSR) behavior of amping up the enemies to ridiculous stats, making every character so good that you sorta have to pull for them. Wuwa is my main game now solely because it doesn't do what genshin does, and why I believe Genshin will most likely hit the same wall that HI3 hit and that's stale updates, little to no plot development, overpowered characters that are must haves to clear End Game content.
That's why PGR is still beloved and has a dedicated player base today, Kuro games know how to make games last, and feels like it's a game first then a gacha game. While Mihoyo just feels so damn fucking cooperate, like everything they do just is so damn predatory. Having the lunar rewards (1600 Primo and 10 Pulls) a day after the Miuvika banner? Seriously? Da Wei Crying about how Natlan will be the best update, with QOL updates just for the QOL updates to be even more predatory? Seriously, I genuinely don't understand why Hoyoshills defend Mihoyo with everything they got when you have been treated like shit for 5+ years, and I hope Mihoyo doesn't become the industry standard moving forward (their Implementation of the 50/50 coin flip, no special packages,). I won't touch on the community but TLDR, a bunch of people get stockholm syndrome to defend the a Company that actively lies and takes their money.
didn't play pgr but i was surprise when wuwa was launched how much pgr players loveddd and adored kuro so much, silently supporting their new game wuwa.
How long do you think the " Hoyoshill " will take to defend their game against your video ?
About another 4 hours to go I reckon lol
I played WuWa when it first came out for about 2 months but ended up going back to Genshin simply because I enjoy the world a little better there. Genshin is very colorful and has happy vibes while WuWa is more dark and serious. It's a very good game. I just am not a big gamer so I don't have time to play both. I may return to check out WuWa again though with their new update. It looks very pretty. 💝💖💗
different atmospheres indeed! Rinascita looks to change that dark vibe however
As a former Genshin player who played since day 1, I'm tired. WuWa felt so much better despite how the story was at the start. Don't have much time nowadays so I stick to zenless.
Zenless felt leagues better than the whole of genshin since day 1..even the characters during the story says to "get to the point"..
The dailies are quicker, 2400 stamina overflow storage if you somehow can't log in for a month, actual free weekly bosses for 3 claims even if it's THE SAME BOSS..and you can farm more of it after that, you get 240 stamina + free 80 from coffee a day, they even save major events so new players can also experience them and get pull currency while at it!
And there's so much more to say what the zenless devs are getting right that genshin devs are just purposely not doing. It's a shame that shills and gatekeepers will try to make it your fault for not agreeing to their objectively bad opinions and game. Maybe that's the reason why the game's not getting any better. 😂
Agreed, every single game out there seems to be leagues ahead of genshin atp
Man I want that overflow in every game. A month is nuts
thanks god I dont waste my time nor sanity delving on forums and shit
not worth it
Bet they're fun to look at
From someone who has been playing Genshin since launch.
I miss the VA’s. They got together and did stuff and seeing them and the more creative people of the community was fun. With the VA strike still going on there has been nothing from them interacting. Most of what I see now is complaints about characters and the stuff haters are doing to other games.
It makes me sad.
I joined their discord and I got scared mentioning ww they might kill me alive
It definitely feels that way doesn't it 💀
I think is not worth it mentioning ww to their discord so I stop @@NeonInfinity
Remember, companies don’t love you so don’t love them back. They love your money which sounds like you, you love their product which sounds like them.
I so so so agree with you. I have been playing Genshin for 3 years and Wuthering since launch and am neutral in this conflict, loving both games. Recently, after having played Genshin for almost every single day, I have been taking a big break from the game. I mis the old Genshin days, because now it just seems like they are just releasing characters for profit. At this point i'm waiting for Natlan(the current region) to be over and hoping the best for Snezhnaya(next region).
I've been playing genshin as a free to play since the start and the only reason why I still play it is because of the progress I made, because I wanna see the end of the game, and because the exploration is good, except when I cant explore because I have to watch boring stories but generally I still think is fun, but not as fun as wuwa
As an ex-release-date genshin player who was and still is well acquainted with the fandom, and who has now moved on to wuthering waves, I was there to experience how the game and the fandom went to shit overtime. After Sumeru came out, the game started feeling less interesting, and then the waves and waves of cultural appropriation and unnecessary sexualization and lackluster character designs, etc. I remember the 3rd-anniversary rewards gave us only around 1 10 pull on the limited banner. Even the voice actors started getting fed up. Unfortunately, because the devs didn't listen, the community gained toxic positivity and, like Twitter, would set fire to anything against the devs, which got really annoying. Even if a voice actor spoke up about it, the community would put them under fire and the devs for Genshin either didn't care or silenced the voice actor. I loved genshin and the lore of it (in the beginning) and it was really promising, but now every time I look at it, a primogem-shaped hole is carved in my heart, and 15 astrites come to fill it back up.
TLDR: Been around since Genshin's release, and loved the game, community, and devs suck, and now the game sucks, WuWa is my life, ILY WUWAAAAAAAA
Thank you for reading
Thank you for the comment!
Genshin was my favourite game for years until I was absolutely burnt out after Arelecchino and that's when I focused more on hsr. When WuWa came out, I enjoyed the combat and a bit of the exploration (still had ptsd from exploring in genshin especially the desert region) but what really turned me away was the story and the fact my potato device would crash on the same opening cutscene 7 times. I was really tempted to go back after I saw Zhezhi. I absolutely adore her stuttering and buffing my boy Lingyang. (Lingyang lovers arise!!!), and then there's shorekeeper like god damn can this get anymore hype? I also love the men in this game too, they just look delectable. Sadly I can't play until I get a new device that can handle it and I am unwilling to delete zzz and hsr on my ipad 😅
I started gacha games a couple months too but I started with Genshin and then also started playing WuWa. I noticed my preference when I do my pulls. Genshin, I'm hoping to get lucky but with WuWa, I don't mind when I spend money because of how awesome kuro's game devs are. I like both games but Genshin community defending Hoyoverse feels like stockholm syndrome. I think a lot of long-term Genshin players have invested so much time and money (like you said "sunken cost fallacy") that its become a part of their identity (mostly ego). I feel like it's a larger company bullying a smaller upcoming one when their position is being challenged (rightfully so) like when with Nintendo and Palworld. That sentiment bleeds from company to community. Then when comparisons are made and the objective truth is WuWa is better, it's taken as an attack to everything worked for thus far. Companies that make a lot of money for a while tend to get lazy because they know loyalists will always spend the money. Genshin and it's community just needs to hit an "oh shit" moment and then things will (hopefully) change. Until then, I'm looking forward to Rinascita 😄
I hope it does, for the betterment of the entire gacha community!
They've been attacking new gacha games started from 3 years ago and so on, like Tower of Fantasy. I remember this well, I was there playing TOF, and the genshin hordes labeled it as a genshin copy. They even attacked Snow Break, WUWA, Infinity Nikki, and even Neverness to Everness, just for having a CBT1 a couple of weeks ago. I bet Azur Promillia will get attacked too when it comes out. 🤦♂
@@doughnutboi6829 lol "genshin copy" The irony that genshin started as a legend of zelda copy 😂
Bet if WuWa was a Hoyo game, the opposition wouldn't bat an eyelid.
as a genshin hsr and wuthering wave , i m thankful i m not like one of these people who treat communities as [ cult] more than a hobby gathering to chat and relax
I used to play genshin everyday and it was my first gacha so I did look at with rose tinted glasses until I started other games like wuwa and zzz and they made me realize how much better games are when they actually listen to the player base
I've started Genshin because a friend of mine wanted someone to play with. 100% F2P and so far, the history has been dogshit and rushed most of the time. Sumeru was a good step in the right direction, a bit letdown when Fontaine was revealed as a super clean practically echo friendly place (lore constantly said that it was polluted, even said by an NPC from Fontaine in Sumeru), then comes Natlan, supposed to be a nation of war and brimstone, but turned out as some Disney paradise where death doesn't matter and everything is FOMO. The only positive I give to Natlan, beyond the bosses, is that the enemies don't feel like Sumeru's coked up monkeys (the elemental beast, for example, are extremely overpowered and have shitty mechanics) which cannot be stuned for more than a second and immune to most attacks.
Characters are not allowed to show even a smidge of personality or defects, always good. Their characters quest being more about some boring ass NPC that won't shut up for 1 hours then the occasional input from the character.
The only reason I've stayed so far is because of Lyney and the other femboys. And this is hard since Genshin always makes the short male characters as either 5 stars that feel like 4 stars (Wanderer) or butchers their kit in one way or another.
a game built in feedbacks will go a long way
definitely
I’ve been playing genshin since 2021 and I still play genshin but not as much as I used to. I also stopped spending money because it’s not as interesting as it used to be. It’s getting more boring and boring each update and they honestly never listen to feedback back. I like wuthering waves much more now. I played at launch for a while but had to stop cause my phone couldn’t handle it. I got back into wuwa once it was released for ps5 . Genshin is now collecting dust..!
I quited genshin around emilie and yelan banner, ngl it was hard to quit since i hav put so much time and few money ingame ,
I had my share of fun when playing it so I'll thank the game for it . I thought ill regret it but somehow it gives me more reasons not to go back .
i've played Genshin since the first week of launch, and i'm very silent in the larger community because of the toxic echo chamber- i stay in other fandoms and only really discuss Genshin with friends since i have enough mental issues to deal with, the Genshin fandom is NOT gonna add onto it 🙏 its bad enough seeing it from a bystander perspective
i restrain myself from spending as much as possible now since i'm not very happy with the state of the game, especially with Natlan. i love the region and the story had some very strong moments, but QoL and the whole skin color debate leave a lot to be desired (ive turned to modding because of Natlan which in general has honestly made the game more fun for me, but that's off topic), especially since this was the region i was most excited for since hey, it was gonna have my culture in it! which even then, i only really see it in the region's food/enviornment/music, i didn't see myself in the characters that much- which makes me a bit sad since the characters are the main appeal for this game. thus, i haven't spent a dime on the character banners i liked other than >30 for the Archon since i got impatient (not my proudest moment, i regret it since i could've gotten away with not spending at all for her too)
honestly, even though i don't play WuWa that much, im glad it exists and it's actually become a 'threat' to Genshin (unlike Tower of Fantasy, if anyone still remembers that game), since it gives me hope that it'll scare the higher ups that run it to get their shit together and ACTUALLY listen, since we KNOW it's not the entire company at fault due to HSR and ZZZ being much better with responding to the community and things like that, it's the specific higher-ups that control Genshin. i hope other games like Infinity Nikke that dip into the genre Genshin has had a monopoly over for so long prove to be even more competition for Genshin in the future so we can have a better game experience before Snezhnaya releases, since that's gonna be the climax of the entire game and i want to be happier going into the story ive been playing for over 4 years to see, yknow?
anyway that's just my perspective on things :]
@@jex-the-notebook-guy1002 Aztec is part of culture, history is a big contributor in culture, so i don't know what you mean by 'what culture?' also, just because its mainly aztec doesn't mean there isn't other cultures mixed in, i'll point towards the Natlan food briefly for this since some of the dishes are/reference classic traditional dishes i've personally had before [the Stuffed N' Mashed Potatoes is a direct recreation of Causa, a dish with ancient Peruvian origins, with the Sour Sauce Ceviche also being a Peruvian dish]. along with this plenty of the OSTs in Natlan give me a sense of familiarity due to the style/instruments being very heavily based on Hispanic culture!
the wording makes it hard for me to understand your second sentence but if i'm interpreting it right, you don't take issue with the skin tone debate, but you take issue with redesigns and the accusations thrown at hoyo? if so, i can't change your mind on the redesigns even if i disagree- i personally don't mind most redesigns if they aren't downright ignorant, and i like looking at them. in terms of hoyo, its definitely not the entire company that's racist but there are some issues with the higher-ups.
i do agree that people loudly begging for representation is a bit annoying, as usually the people aren't even part of the group they want represented. that doesn't mean there shouldn't be any representation though, as the issue isn't the representation itself, its how its executed! there is plenty of media that does good representation and there's plenty that does it bad, but most people usually focus on the bad/forced representation and in turn make it seem like ALL representation in media is negative, when that isn't the case :]
sorry that this reply is long lol
Kuro deserves our apology
iI've played both games and from what I've seen, they both have their strengths and weaknesses such as any game. Wuwa definitely was a breath of fresh air after playing genshin for 4 long years and even though I dropped wuwa (mostly cuz I just couldn't get myself to play it a whole lot) I enjoyed every moment I did play it and I hope nothing but the best for wuwa and it's players. This constant back and forth of die hard genshin fans attacking wuwa fans for just existing is stupid, we're literally seen devs from both games being friendly and chill with each other. There is no bad blood amongst the devs, so why are the fans so blood-thirsty over nothing? I don't think wuwa will ever be the "genshin killer" that people claim it to be, and not because its not as good as genshin; but because wuwa won't even need to do anything, genshin will kill itself off if it continues down the path it's going. Sadly what I've heard is that the cos of hoyo only really cares about the honkai games and couldn't care less about genshin and that shows, while hi3 and starrail continue to thrive and get updates fans love; genshin has been a burning dumpster fire of a game with Natlan and the devs couldn't care less about how much outrage there's been over the newest region. Genshin will just be the cash cow of hoyo while all their actual love goes towards their other games and it's sad as someone who's been here for 4 years now and at one point saw genshin as my comfort game; I can't even will myself into getting on for a few minutes to do dailies. I'm tired of a game that carely couldn't care less about me or other players. I wish the best of wuwa and hope wuwa fans continue to enjoy the game and to not be scared off from playing wuwa because certain genshin fans don't want others to be happy playing other games.
this video here really encompasses how i feel about the whole genshin and wuwa stuff, people need to start calling out the devs for genshin because attacking genshin itself and calling it genshit isn't gonna do anything, going after the devs and completely tearing them a new one and not giving them your money is what's gonna make the difference.
genshin isn't a bad game, it's amazing but the dev's who make it are money hungry pieces of garbage that needs to lose their jobs and go work at a dirty fast foods spot and never work on another game EVER again and needs to be replaced with people who's actually COMPETENT.
Nah, that's not gonna work. I've been calling out devs through feedback for 3 years. Too many bootliickers in the Genshin community. It's a lost cause for the genshin community but still good for the devs cause you know a lot of it are still paying for that 💩. The game was good, but it became stale, paywalled limited characters exploration advantages and become stagnated, so now it's a bad game. The good in it is over. They will keep milking it until EOS.
Thanks for saying this need to be seen by other genshin player
No problem! Its every CCs duty to call this out
Same wuwa was my first I love it as f2p I hope they realize genshin not the same as before in old time I used to watch videos about genshin first story it was fun watch but not the same as before I hope some genshin player need to realize the problem after all the toxic community drama and stop support hoyo is not worth it anyway I really can't wait for wuwa update it will be super fun
Yup. They're still holding onto that old image of genshin and not looking at the state it's in now
They hate wuwa because they dont want to lose all the time and money they spend on genshin. A friend refuses to play wuwa because, in his eyes, both games are literally the same, and he just doesn't want to start over.
I still love playing genshin, still will play it, i just really want to see the end of the story, although I'm getting a little burned out
i both play wuwa and genshin, and both pre registration. so honestly genshin compared to wuthering as how it is now in 2.0 is just so bad i dont even wanna boot up genshin again
Night and day difference
i play genshin, but also i play wuwa all the same, or maybe even more..
don't care much for the drama.. no need for all of this nonsense, just enjoy the games. that's the most important thing..
Correct. It doesn't need to be this way
i have spent money on wuwa and have gotten a lot of 5 stars characters including the new character and her weapon
Money well spent?
@ ha i didn’t spend any money
Nah just let Hoyo give out shitty rewards and keep their expensive gacha to make the whale cringe and leave to find other games…that would change Genshin, they been treating players like an ATM now
Eventually Genshin will have to fold…and Dawei May Cry 2 will release 😂
😂😂😂
I play both Genshin Impact and Wuthering Waves- I love Genshin, been playing since 2.5(ish) but I’ve been playing WuWa since its release and it’s been LOADS better than Genshin has ever been, in exploration, content, and customer appreciation. (To name a few.) Honestly it makes me sad, because I don’t want to see a game I’ve liked for so long crash so dramatically because of another game I’m equally passionate about😅 but yeah, I play WuWa more these days, it’s definitely the better of the two now. It’s sooo refreshing to play a game that doesn’t treat its customer base like trash.
I playing Genshin Impact and I playing Wuwa since came out and I enjoye both. And it sad to see that the major of community is badmouthing each other, wher they only needed to play and enjoy tha games. 😢
I’ve played genshin from the very beginning, and wuwa release made me quit. After playing wuwa just for a few days I got annoyed in genshin whenever I logged in. Although the only thing that honestly annoys me in wuwa is lack of male characters, like man seriously? But whatever I’ll just wait
7:30 what video was this from?
Camellya's resonator showcase vid!
@ thank you
I play both Genshin and WuWa.
But I like WuWa more because WuWa is a type of game that respects my time…
Genshin be like:
“play this now or you will be left out.”
WuWa be like:
“Play it when you’re free. We will always be here, you will never be left out”
FACTS
I play both games and I can tell that genshin is very very underwhelimg, its not just the mechanisc that suck its also the new characters and how the devs literally give us things now one wants etc.
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А может быть разработчики просто устали от того что вы ни одному персонажу в этой игре не цените, постоянно собираете персонажей просто чисто как фигурки в коллекцию и забываете про них, либо собираете себе только для меты. В итоге разработчики просто решили выкатить баннер в котором вы будете сидеть и думать какой конкретно баннер крутить потому что если вам осложнить условия для этого то вы начнёте больше ценить персонажей, больше уделяет внимание сюжету персонажей, больше уделять внимание личностям персонажей ( потому что вы всерьёз будете задумываться какого конкретного персонажа вы больше хотите найти в баннере). Потому что вас по-другому не заставит вообще никак относиться к персонажам вот так. Если сделать персонажа красивыми то вы будете облизываться на этих персонажей, если сделать этих персонажей эффективными в бою то вы будете смотреть на них как игроки из dota 2, вы просто будете собирать модельки в коллекцию И вообще не париться больше вопросом " А что это за персонажи, а какая история этих персонажей, а какой дизайн у этих персонажей, а что хотели авторы может быть через этих персонажей выразить" и вы не будете уделять внимание огромному пласту работы которые делают разработчики.
Посмотрите на себя - community genshin постоянно устраивает какие-то инфоповоды и скандалы. По абсолютно тупым причинам. Community любой другой гача игры это просто сборище каких-то людей которые вообще никак не ценят игры эти и уделяют внимание от силы 30% контента. Вам не кажется что этот маркетинговый ход заключался не в жадности разработчиков в банально желании того чтобы вы перестали так делать?
Wuthering wave is an amazing game, and it did overtook genshin. 2.0 is so good I dont even know how they did that in 8 months. there's so much content, QUALITY content
agreed
The only thing i like about genshin is sometimes, random bullshit teams can still work because of elemental reactions, meaning some characters can be built differently for different playstyle. Example raiden can be played as either a hypercarry or hyperbloom. Wuwa doesnt have this luxury of throwing random teammates together but it is not a bad thing.
Genshin hasnt really evolved since the introduction of dendro. QoL updates are misaligned with what players actually want, no skip button because fuck you that's why, traversal kits locked behind characters, kinda lame tbh. Wuwa introducing flying gadget really heightened the gameplay, but hopefully this gadget is not region locked in Rinascita because it cant be used in Jinzhou 😢
Agreed. I do hope they add more elemental mechanics however
I like to think that genshin are the iphone users and wuwa are the andriod users iykwim
If the defender don't get it...
GACHA GAME CAN BE EVEN WORSE! If you don't stop them now it's not even the sky limit too.
Nebmarble is the limit and it's horrible...
If you think Genshin Impact is the worst there is? They can do it worse. Considering this is still not the worst predatory in all Gacha game.
Keep defending and it might win the worst Gacha game in history...
Than nobody will be happy
Exactly! And we cant let these practices spread either
i used to be a genshin player before i grew a brain and started playing wuwa
@@jex-the-notebook-guy1002 why did you even watch this video if you hate both games
@@jex-the-notebook-guy1002 yea i know im pretty awful myself the only reason i hate genshin is that i played for 2 years and have not won a single 50/50 and you know how hard you need to work for wishes seeing all the hours of grinding go to waste made me resent genshin thats why i quit i still think its a good game tho and i enjoyed my time playing it
69 views, let's go🍿
Nice🫡
genshin has never screwed us over lol
I play and love both games a lot (and I still spend money on both of them because I’m a collector) too much to be called a casual player; but I hate all the toxicity from both the Genshin Devs (seriously you’re way too stingy) and fans who just hate on Wuwa for no reason. Serously, why such intense rage over a video game?
I have to add that I love Genshin’s world, characters and story (in fact I’d say that the story writing team at least are passionate, even if their bosses aren’t), but Wuwa has the better devs and quality of life. If Genshin is scared of that, they should get off their buts and make improvements. Simple as.
Just because you love something, that doesn’t mean you have to put up with sub par treatment.
But maybe I’m a hypocrite for spending on both games, while only really complaining about one.
Exactly, Hoyo has talent so its not like they cant do anything about the current state of the game
Genshin players just mad because they invested a lot in their accounts
gotta feel sorry for them at some point
@@jex-the-notebook-guy1002 it’s none of those things lol 🤣
I used to be a big Assassin's Creed fan but it soured me on the entire massive open world genre coz 80% of what I've done is walking. This is the same reason why I never got into Genshin in the first place.
This is also why I love ZZZ.
However, I am willing to ignore my misgiving with open worlds if the game is good.
Now that the context is done, here's the question.
Will I enjoy WuWa? or is it another one of those wide open world with the depth of a puddle?
WuWa is way better than genshin, not just open world, but also has great combat too! Its worth a try but if you're soured on open world then id say its a risk
It’s quite the same as Genshin as in there is exploration, and story quests requires you to go here and there. What makes it different is that there are more action packed modes and dungeon-type mode like ZZZ as event quests. So it’s kinda half ZZZ and half Genshin.
All my homis gate G word games
@Certain Genshin_Players reading: scram from attacking WuWa commuity in this comment section and just everywhere, if you have nothing pleasant/of substance to say.
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Hi, I subscribed your channel because of this video :)
I'm Genshin player since 1.0, very on and off though persistently since beginning of Fontaine which makes over a year now. Currently I'm looking forward to trying WuWa now that it has arrive on PS5!
I am aware of Genshin's problems. I don't follow the discussion around them too closely but the claim that this game is strangling into it's problems sounds just too plausible. I am not the kind to shoot the messenger, but thank them kindly so sincerely thanks for your fair take.
I personally probably gonna give Mihoyo time till 5.7, until I'll come back to seriously reconsider if there is reason for me to continue. The things in the game which keep me around are ridiculously neglected as they are. I am unfortunately patient older gamer, so this would not be the first game which ruin I would live to see from the front row. Cheers!
Thank you for the sub and the comment! great to hear another POV
genshin was my first gacha game, but if i had to choose? wuwa fs ! wuwa dev team genuinely works super hard for their playerbase its amazing. i hope they get the most rest and stellar revenue !! rinascita hype fr
genshin i feel stopped peaking after fontaine.. the difference is wild. natlan had a lot of potential. ill say the archon quest for natlan isnt inherently bad but character rep and all the other stuff… hoyo what yall be doin fr 😨
A lot of fumbles im afraid
I love GI, it`s a game that only give us funny moments to those outside the game (I don`t play it). The copping of it`s r/gachagaming zealots is the best I`ve seen, and I`ve been playing gacha before hoyo even exist (I saw things that no normal mind should). Every week twitter go crazy about someone copying GI. Now our lord Da Wei gave 10 pulls after the banners. I loled hard.
I can`t wait to see the next live Da Wei crying because people is complaining about the dick move they pulled. xD
The crying on the last live to then doing their community over like this is diabolical 💀
Pretty goofy people. I'm just gonna play what I like, gacha tribalism is stupid. I always find some fans on social media who need to feel superior about thier game, like calm down you didn't make it lol just relax and enjoy whatever it is you do. I'm sure you'll end up happier and less bitter that way.
I'm very excited for SSR Rapi banner and Carlotta, I really like guns and exploration praying I don't lose the 50/50, but it's gonna be a good week for the games I play!
Good luck on your banners!
I have been playing Genshin since patch 1.4 and have enjoyed the game with my friend. However, after playing the Inazuma patch, my feelings toward the game became more bitter. I absolutely did not like the Inazuma story, even though my favorite character is from Inazuma. The story in Sumeru was good, and Fontaine’s was great. But my joy in the game kept fading, especially while wandering through the desert. I found myself preferring the underwater exploration in Tower of Fantasy over Genshin’s.
The community made things worse. It’s full of childish players who cannot accept opinions other than their own. The core problem seems to be the Shipper Wars, you can't ship this, you can only ship that. Straight couples? you’re homophobic. Same-gender ships? f**k off get lost. Even as a Yuri fan who loves reading GL manga and enjoying fan art, I felt uncomfortable when I saw Hoyoverse introduced (it felt like) lgbt contents.
Eventually, I decided to stop playing all Hoyoverse games. Yet, I still miss my favorite characters. When her birthday comes around, I reinstall the game to wander the map with her, reliving bittersweet memories and then uninstall the game.
Now, I play Wuthering Waves, but I don’t dare to join the community because I’m too scared.
Its okay! The wuwa community is all too busy focusing on how good 2.0 is rn lol
Some might say you're farming drama to get views but I like what you're doing and other CCs farming drama because of this Bullcrap that is happening.
It's entertaining to see the WHITE KNIGHTS of Genshin coping hard to defend their game and continously eat shit.
This and also the fact that it needs to be covered so other devs dont think that they can get away with stuff like this!
Played Genshin since launch to 5.1 & I must say, Wuthering Waves is a Better Game in Many Many aspects. this is not being biased or what, It's just a Fact. Kuro Games are way too generous, listening to the player base, absolute cinema, the quality of life in game is great and it keeps improving, Kuro Devs are adding things every now and then. So yeah.. genshin player base can't just accept how Greedy genshin was, how genshin don't listen to their community, how genshin being stubborn, -- you see, all the money they got on Genshin, they made it Star Rail and ZZZ and those two games are generous, better and the Milking Game Genshin, gets left behind big time.. then WuWa came, and now, WuWa is the New King or should I say, the STANDARD.
Listen my guy i was also new to gacha my first was genshit 4.2 i commented on hoyolab in favor of Chinese community who were in controversy of 3 whole pulls in lantern rite. And I'd say i hurt thousands of brainded kids that day
Wuthering waves is so fun. Good thing i didn't stick around to see the downfall of genshin impact. It was fun at first but it kept adding new areas and the size kept increasing i don't i dont like when a game keeps adding 7-8 different areas with same content as previous areas just another area to grind.
I hope wuthering keeps it different and fun not just reskin persay
2.0 is looking like it'll diverge from genshin with the repetitiveness, im not seeing much from the update that looks too familiar apart from base game mechanics which is a good sign