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Warmachine Goes PLASTIC and 2 Player Starter Set Teased
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- Опубликовано: 16 авг 2024
- Steamforged Games continues its Warmachine news rollout and teases a 2 player starter set and the entire franchise going to HARD PLASTIC. Also a Reddit AMA and I manage to reference World of Warcraft again.
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0:00 Intro
0:56 News Post
2:44 Two player starter info
7:11 Reddit AMA
#steamforgedgames #privateerpress #warmachine #wm4 #wmh
Warcrow Starter Box starting soon, a new Starter here - Port Royale on Kickstarter more choice for non GW stuff.
Oh yes I just saw the pallets of Warcrow books having arrived at Corvus Belli!
I'm eyeing the Cyberpunk skirmish game.
I remember when they were trying to todo a two player starter set a while back but that was a long time ago. But with the MK4 its a great way to start and the new models are so nice looking. I'm not worried with Steamforged take over. They have the man power to get Warmachine to a height it deserves. I also play legacy as well. Thats my big armies after 20 years. Also i Build my own 3d terrain buildings and such the only thing i dont make 3d is forest terrain outside of random trees.
the issue is the permanent lose of legacy models does not just effect the warmachine, it kneecaps their RPG which take place before any of the MK4 stuff existed in the lore. since not only is that game built around having them, but these things are harder to find on the second hand market the longer things go on.
that is a great point I didn't even think about (as not a current Iron Kingdoms RPG player)... is there another 3rd party sculptor doing "IK like" steampunk or diesel punk stuff that could work? But you are right.. if they are going to release a bunch of RPG compatable books, but no models... that would be weird...
but if they focus on the current MK4 story-arc, there is probalby not room to go revisit the Old Iron Kingdoms... hmm...
@@SciFiPorkChop28 their is no 3rd party stuff i could find. their are a few cygnar jacks that are low polly rips from their video game. but very little in terms of 3rd part STLs.
I run a Iron kingdoms adjacent dnd campaign. Getting Jack's isn't impossible but it's not easy. 3d printing isn't a great option. There is 1 great stl for an Iron golem that is off scale but can be scaled down. There is one stl maker that has some good charger/lancer stl. Some jack parts are available. The low poly jack is a real B-. It's also a pain as all my attemps to get it supported for printing have failed. Thus I have a bunch jack parts for bases and terrain.There is nothing for the labor jacks or for the non Cygnar jacks. As to other troops or characters you would have needed to buy during the the start of warehouse clearance sale.
Luckily you do not need ANY models to play ttrpgs
A wholesome quad hello from the comments section!!!! Just want to say it has been great watching your videos and seeing you engage Mat and SFG of behalf of those of us who also love the setting, ip, and general vibe of the game. Really looking forward to seeing you piloting some of the casters on the tabletop. One last question Warmachine skirmish when?
Warmachine. Skirmish. When.
Seems to be some miscommunication because they stated that 3d resin is here to stay.
Yes, they did. But they also said that going forwards, they will be doing the Command Sets in HIPS and they will only be the FIRST exploration of hips. Implying that further out, it could all go plastic. You see, I'm extrapolating information to make things seem more exciting than they are. Otherwise there's no video here and that would be a shame!
@@GlassHalfDead dunno "everyone likes getting stretched" was pretty exciting xD
Could be for now. SFG games has already been testing the waters with hard plastics with their current kickstarter projects.
-Proper sprue plastic, not that pvc stuff, makes me happy. Im a kitbasher at heart and anything that makes that easier is good news.
-2 player starter is good news. The old ones were great value. Split with a friend, get cheap models. Material wasnt the greatest, but i wasnt complaining at that price
-Im actually enjoying using the "legacy" rules and just rolling dice with my old toys again. New stuff might tempt me to look at new units, which is good for their business, but im a little worried about compatibility with my older stuff. But... the two in the picture look a lot like strakhov and caine, so maybe itll work out ok.
I liked metal. Might need pinning and using superglue isn't fun. But I'll take it over resin any day. Much easier to deal with bent parts.
(and bent parts is the reason i hate spears).
Hard plastic is fine. I guess it depends on quality and type. Plastic cement is so much easier to work with than superglue but then mould lines and sprues can be a bit of a time sink.
This is why i really liked 3d printed stuff from PP. Sure some older models had been a bit brittle or had some misprints, but they made such a huge progress over last year. And cleaning up the supports was really quick.
So fro me it would be:
Pewter/metal
3d printed resin
Hard plastic
Resin
Soft plastic
Finecast
Yep! I mentioned this in your previous video about the merger announcement. They started test and trials during the Monster Hunter World: Iceborne kickstarters. Gave full updates and everything. It's one I thing I can appreciate about SFG is their transparency even through kickstarter. Two armies in a box should be quite a successful intro for those who are interested. Even better if it can be found in regular normie stores and book stores
That's the dream. A loss leader 2 player box in a normie store. It seems crazy to me mainly because it would require hobby, so they'd also logically need to sell the hobby stuff to that customer so it almost doesn't make sense. I was thinking the soft plastic version would let them get a starter like one of their boardgames into stores and that makes sense. I don't know what to think about it
@GlassHalfDead truthfully it could be the start of regular stores carrying TTG and accessories worldwide. GW dabbles in it occasionally with their board games, and D&D and Battletech are pretty much sold everywhere. I know places like Target and Barnes and Nobles here in the States already sell model kits from other brands and IPs, along with tools so it's not too far off from mini's.
I was thinking the soft plastic would remain for their less popular games. Doesn't seem to be Monster Hunters MO as they've made millions in profit from the first game and broke their previous kickstarter record with Iceborne. Of course with the explosion of the Monster Hunter franchise in general over the last 5+ years will make the case for SFG to put it at the forefront of their board game catalog
I'm soooo jazzed for a 2 player starter in HIPS. And those models look pure sexy. Anything not GW right now is excellent
Looking forward to seeing how good their HIPS is and also just what comes in the 2 player box!
i think most people dont like it when you kill off thier old armies least let them use them as the new units ;) that would make a ton of people happy.
Yeah, it's funny because I remember they were throwing shade at GW for nuking the Old World at the release of Mk IV.
Plastic/resin at a premium price was why I left Warmachine after being a player since they premiered in the UK at Salute
Everyone has different cost appetites, I get it. For me, I like the world enough that I want the models in my house regardless. Definitely a hard sell for some though!
Do you have any plans to cover the skirmish game trench crusade?
I hope they rework Company of Iron. I desperately need a WarmaHordes Skirmish game!
I hope they let me get on the dev team for it!
My love to Warmachine is coming from the year 2018. I just saw those beautifull steampunk models and arts and liked them so much. Then I forgot about it, since had no chance to play it. Came back in 2023 with new edition, it was like fresh air for this dying world, but meh, the new stuff and style was not so catching, so I left it once again.
And NOW with this deal between PP and SF I really excited! It's pleausure to wait for 2 player box, since it's, lol, the first thing should`ve been done with new edition. Moreover in plastic, which means it should be cheaper than 3d, I guess.
Anyway, news are awesome and it's great to see new Warmaching content on RUclips🤗
Hard plastic is just better, even though I have some affection for the old metals...
I'm sure they're not getting rid of legacy rules as they mentioned keeping mk4 and that part of it. But it was certain before that they werent going to remake the models even if it stayed PP
I'm really excited for Plastic Starters.
A boots on the ground kind of way, huh? Almost like if they had a huge force of people who loved the game going to events and running demos and showing off the game as citizen ambassadors for the brand? That’s a good idea. They could even maybe come up with a pirate-themed name for it.
Thanks for breaking it down the news for someone who isn't in the loop.
Also, if they make the models with the same stuff they made the MHW boardgame monsters and characters with then it's a solid choice.
So I guess I'm just really confused... one of the deathknells for Guild Ball was inconsistent materials (metal, resin, plastic, back again)... and so the first thing SFG is doing with MK4 is changing materials AGAIN?...
Long term, an affordable hard plastic starter set is really what is needed... to stay on shelves... to be available to new players...
And if they are able to move other boxed sets contents into hard plastic, then yes... that is what gamers want... But also... PP seems to have invested heavily in this 3d printing option and to just walk away from it.. and enter into hard plastic sprues which ARE NOT something SFG have done (to my knowledge) vs board game style plastics like GodTear or Resident Evil or Epic Encounters.... seems.... risky.... and a bit like they learned nothing from the time with Guild Ball
So far everything I've heard from steamforge PP merger acquisition whatever it maybe sounds like a positive. Warmachine has needed a new starter set badly and hopefully this one hits the mark. It's an interesting choice to have starter sets as full characters even down to the units. Really interested in what the contents besides the casters and jacks are.
I played WMH through all of Mk2 and hard injected plastic would be SO good. The soft plastic stuff they started using with Retribution was just pretty bad in comparison to metals. All the mold line issues but it just shredded instead of filed or cut down.
having an an army box bundle as a limited release is kind of find imho.
3D terrain seems fine i *guess* but i really hope that mechanically its still the same old 2.5 column style representations of models and terrain
I'm just impressed the game hasn't completely died.
I desperately hope they avoid thermoplastic and resin. Utterly terrible materials to work with that do not stand the test of time the way metal or polystyrene does.
I bought a Warmachine starter back in 2015. Khador versus beige religious dudes. I only played one game (sampling the crack with a friend) and found the game really cool. There was no scene though to get involved with locally and I eventually went back to GW games.
I have large 2ed collection, ton of jacks, infantry, cav etc. What l worry is that nothing will be legal. I think unlimited in here will like legends for GW games.
Yeah, that's basically guaranteed. it'll all be unlimited I think
I mean, eventually, I imagine that all current Unlimited is going to be removed from the game in the next edition, whenever that may be (4 years? No idea). For now it's playable in casual environments. And the good news here is that unlike 40k where literally no one touches Legends, Warmachine isn't a big enough community to turn anyone away, so even diehard tournament players will play against an Unlimited list!
Really appreciate the effort you're putting into production - the subtitle animation is way more compelling than I thought it would be when I first saw it. I'm not a fan it the zoom snapping on this vid though - smoothly moving in is fine, but the hard snap is quite jarring. Other than that, really great work!
I agree, the snap is very jarring!
Resin for show pieces
Plastic for game pieces
Metal because you have no choice or you hate yourself and your life and love spending hours doing simple conversions. And fixing paint chips is your idea of a good time. Yes I play infinity and yes I started in 96.... I have metal models painted in 96 thst have never needed a chip repair... I have others that seem to chip in shipping. I blame my inexperienced painting hands for those abominations.
As a mk2 player and having a lot of time to cool off. The Mk4 revamping everything is the best way forward.
I got 3 mk2 armies all three are full FA... ret, coc and skorne. I am.more than willing to let them live in the past and see what comes next.
I can't find the article, where is it?
Here you go: steamforged.com/en-gb/blogs/brands/iron-kingdoms-manifesto-part1
Great, another game I can buy and have nobody to play with
Metal feels the best, the old jokes about sockjacking your opponent and so on =), but hard plastic is easiest to work with imo, especially when magnetising. I have no experience with the 3d printed resin but my previous experiences with forgeworld resin wasnt great,
Wait wtf the 2p starter isnt compatible eith the existing armies?
They directly said that they are compatible with current winter korps and storm legion armies.
Here's the quote from Mat in the AMA. If they answered this differently elsewhere, I didn't see it: "thats a great question that I can't answer right now (but in doing so probably kinda give something away...maybe)"
From their manifesto: ”In the announcement, we shared a tease of some brand new models for Cygnar Storm Legion and Khador Winter Korps. These models will feature in a new 2-player Command Starter Set planned for release later this year!”
@@Lukkimus Yeah, don't know what he meant in the AMA, but you're right!
Could also be juniors (or in caines case a senior) warcasters for cygnar and khador.
Depends on mini and what you want
First great video Andrew, first material, unless a product needs a property all materials and production methods have trad offs and will depend on scale of production, for exemple injection mold plastic(GW style) is a very cost effective material IF you can deliver on the volume needed since its needs a large up front cost, 3D printing is more versatile and allows a a more responsive creation, there is a reason 3D printing is the best method for rapid prtotyping, this is not an extensive list, because i do not have the information on all, this might not even be feasable to do in a short time frame( like what happened to Siocast? it was all the rage and the next revolution, and it just vanished, no one talks about it anymore), i do not use reddit so cant comment, i think that the not playable with khador and cygnar may mean they are Storm legion and Winter korps, as in they do not work for legaçy/unlimited armies, but i may be wrong i do not have insider information, the expanding the hard platic range is too vague, by what i gathered the 2 player starter and its associated comanders are the ones planed to be in hard plastic now the hard platic line may be extended to other loss leader products where the high volume needed by injection molding is also a prerequisite so thats(loss leaders may mean the comand starter line and or other products), i would be down for a epic encounters iron kingdom series of boxes for the RPG, that would be an way to get acess to some more specific stuff in the lore like Dreggs, Lethians, Bogrins and others(even thoug i do not play requiem, but the 2D6), but there is stil precious little information, the 40K popularity explanation, 40K is popular because its popular it's really this simple and stupid, but in more understandable terms, it has a large base with a substantial captive audience and a incredibly vast all right somewhat acessible lore, brand recognition and associated non core products, many of those advantages are because of its age and being ne of the firsts(D&D is in the same boat), IF the command startes being FOMO products mean the ones associated with the 2 player starter it is more OK since it is most likely a way to people who play those factions to get those models, not a mass market, it is arguable if this or direct only is better, most likely a hybrid would be the best for consumers the forst print is sold as a standart SKU, the latter print runs only acessible "directly trhough them"
Double hello to you too!
no 2d terrain is a bloody win!
I'm glad they are making a new starter.
The WoW minis game is great in my book. Oh, and it's about time they get a 2 player kit set up. That's a great product to bring people in, especially if they can manage a lower price point with the HIPS.
I never bought into it. However a few months ago I watched a how to play and almost went on an ebay spending spree! It seemed fine enough, I wonder why it never went anywhere (the models looked like cheap toys tbf)
...it is interesting to see the "going to switch to HIPS" angle, though, especially as SFG and PP played with 3D printing. I'd *love* some inside data on those decisions.
@@GlassHalfDead The core design is unique. You're right, some people didn't like prepainted models. I don't mind, because if I feel like repainting them I can. Also, the bases to keep track of health are a bit fiddly. I'm not sure why it didn't have more traction. It's still in my top 3 wargames with Warmachine and Battletech, though. It captures the WoW battleground flavor very well, and it's fun.
Looking forward for a 2 player starter
Keen for Warmachine. I need to convince my KillTeam group to try it though. Cost will be a major factor.
They've said they hope for the 2 player to release end of this year, so let's assume beginning of next. I imagine everything will chug along at its usual pace until then.
Just starting wm this year. Really enjoying this game. Hope this is for the best.
I loved the Ip in 1 edition till it got to expensive!
Hopefully it's actually hard plastic, and not "plastic."
Same thing I was thinking I believe SFG calls their Godtear models for example plastic and PVC is technically a type of plastic but that's not what anyone else means when they say plastic.
Plastic for the win!
you look like a khador warcaster like a young butcher of kardov
I take that as a compliment!
Until they bring back the menoth or trencher models....eh
@@LuiBei1994 Trenchers this year! I'm hyped for them
@@GlassHalfDead yessss steam punk ww1 models pplllssssss
Wooo 3d terrain !
I think they should just sell molds and cans of play dough. Play dough is the perfect material for minis and you can make as many models as you want.
We shall see.
still want the old stuff to come back
Hard plastic awesome
Plastic
Thank you for the video and coverage! Love your stuff :)
is Hordes dead then?
@@StormWildSpace no. They've just changed the name. Instead of it being "warmachine and hordes" it's just "warmachine". But we'll be getting horde factions again, not to worry!
@GlassHalfDead okay, cool. I dipped my toe in a long time ago, and I really loved some of the hordes factions. I'm a little scared. I'll end up investing a lot into this. Lol
@@StormWildSpace Oh for sure, after Cryx and Cygnar I always preferred the hordes factions. I look forward to Skorne and Protectorate returning! And Trolls with guns
Hard plastic . . . the harder, the better.
Metal simp
Full. Metal. Simp.
I disagree and don’t want a 2 player starter
First
A shame Archon Studios couldn't get the hips contract!