What is Warmachine in 2024?
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- I've been playing a bunch of Privateer Press' Warmachine Mk4 recently, and as with any game there's a whole bunch of questions about what is this Warhammer 40k competitor in 2024, how has it changed from its previous edition, how can you buy in, all that good stuff. Enjoy!
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0:00 Intro
2:00 Warmachine Pitch
4:45 What is Warmachine?
8:30 Warmachine Mechanics Explained
14:34 Game Sizes
16:07 How Many Models is an Army?
17:24 Casual vs Competitive
22:26 The models themselves
26:28 MK3 to MK4 Transition and Differences
30:48 What to Buy
32:30 Wrapping It Up!
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Thank you for making this! We've seen a lot of new and returning players requesting these kinds of videos and yours summarizes everything very well. Thank you for the plug and sharing the community finder! Looking forward to seeing the Warmachine Battle Reports ;)
As a long time Warmachine player (Retribution of Scyrah, Ios for ever!) I have really enjoyed the MK4 change. Over the last year it brought lots of great new models, a breath of fresh air to the rules and scenarios, and a nice progression of the story line
Really looking forward to Warmachine in 2024.
Warmachine was the game that brought me back to miniatures gaming two decades after giving up on the games available back then, and while I have had a few breaks now and then and play many other games, it's the game I keep playing.
The rules and gameplay (that is the main draw for many) aside, it also has its own world with deep lore and people in the company who care a lot about the Iron Kingdoms.
When it comes to the initial run of Cygnar models, well, I drop tested mine and pinned those that broke before painting. Haven't had a lot of issues after that.
As a person coming straight from Mk 1, this is useful
Yay, more Warmachine! The two main tabletop games I play now are Warmachine and Warcry so you should keep up with these content! Spread the love
Those are two VERY different wargames! Hmmm, which warmachine models to proxy for which warcry models... 🤔
@@GlassHalfDead haha, not using them to proxy each other but just them main things we've been playing
I think you have an addiction to games that start with the word "War" in their name! J/k
I played back in MK2, I think the reason that IGOUGO worked better than in 40k was (is?)... it’s not really a group of units vs a group of units. It’s a war caster vs a war caster. The individual units are almost an extension of the leader’s abilities/weapons. The fact that you could instantly win by killing the opposing leader enhanced this feeling that it was really a one v one game.
I recently got into WMH with Cygnar, played a couple games with the starter and am loving it. The app is very intuitive and it’s nice to be able to see everything my opponent can do without having to buy their army book and punch in a code.
Warmachine skirmish was called company of iron in MKIII. As someone who loved that format and worked on improving the format for the community, i want to come up with a good MKIV conversion for it. That is something i can go on and on about to the point that people tell me to shut up.
Yes, I owned the launch box for it! I'd love to see a revamped skirmish game for MK4. Basically, with the move away from metal models, I want to just play more WM4 :P
Have you tried playing COI but just using the updated models, unit sizes, and the MKIV rule tweaks. I think your homebrew could work.
@@theworldsays4264 it would be very easy to convert wm4 to a skirmish game. It's already an activation based game, so making it skirmish from a core rules perspective is easy!
@@GlassHalfDead you should try infinity tabletop by Corvus belli or Battletech.
I liked COI. A pity the launch was so bad, with bad quality cards, no campaign rules, extreme rng with the death mechanics and use of warmachine stat cards which didn't actually do what was printed on them.
I still love this game though.
I loved warmachine back in mark II. Still have my Cryx and Crocs (Blindwater) but my community died around Mark 3. Combination of people moving, Edition change, and moving to Age of Sigmar. It’s stone cold dead in my meta.
We went from around 50 players to 2 then 0. So sad, this is my favorite miniature game and has been since mk1.
video got me looking everywhere for the minimised World of Warcraft client on my computer in the first 30 seconds.
I'm primarily a wow gaslighting channel now!
Love to see the Warmachine content! Keep it coming.
I played 2d edition, I stopped with the inclusion of colossals and gargants. They really lost the balance with the introduction of FA:2 of those.
I do absolutely adore the word, I highly recommend reading the fantasy novel.
I had trollblood and Menoth with a budding Khador armies.
I've been playing Warm hordes for a long time, and I have no regrets. My favorite part of it is just the jokes that happen on the table. That and there are some fun combinatoric mechanics that can get silly if you put too much effort into it.
Yo aren't you a mercenaries player?
Guilty as charged. I love the misfits of the iron kingdoms, and the dwarves are pretty sweet.
picked up a couple of orgoth , would like to pick up more plus some khador and the new faction but may be a few months
I am also really curious to see what they do with my Circle Orboros and Protectorate. The new release of Krueger will be purchased and painted in anticipation.
I really wanna see where protectorate goes
@@vaethe_wI fear we may be waiting a while but I have no doubt we will be very pleased.
@@SuperEagle112 I pray to menoth for dinosaur holy warriors
@@vaethe_wThe faithful ride dinosaurs 🦕
My factions currently are Cygnar Storm Legion for MK4 and Legion of Everblight for Legacy. Funny enough on the point of painting and assembly I thought I would hate painting but ai actually really enjoyed it but I found I despise assembling minis. So buying models printed or preassembled is so nice for me. Keep up the good work with these videos btw
Oof this video reminded that the video game was almost going to be a third person action game and not an xcom clone. Fantastic video!
I think the xcom version makes sense... But the footage here does look really cool, can't lie
I know, missed opportunity! I still want to see another Warmachine video game though
I remember being on the Backfoot in mk3 as circle against khador. My opponent locked me down mid field but had vlad on my left flank with a small unit in front of him. He failed to kill my teleporting stones and I managed to send one of my warpwolves over and win by assassination. Was really cool
This is great! I love it! But I do want to point out Menoth has been offhandedly mentioned in some of the stories and some of their soldiers are mentioned as marching with the Khador/Dusk contingent to go to the fight over Blighterghast.
But yeah, whether that amounts to a full army or a cadre or what we don't know!
Yes, I can't remember what I say in this video vs the lore video which I'll release on Thursday, but exactly as you say, Menoth does still exist!
The Protectorate has balkanized, with different local leaders competing for power. Kreoss won the civil war 10 years ago but it does not seem that he managed to set up a stable system after he chased Feora away.
@@KaptajnCongoboy the issue was the fact that most of the preisthood were infernalist and killed most of the people behind keeping things together.
Warlords of Draenor soundtrack... Very classy, sir.
You know it! I think I just checked on RUclips for "Warcraft best music" xD
Great video and great way to sum things up and help anyone new or old wanting more info on Mark 4 I'm an old school mark 2 troll player and still do play and I'm loving what PP is doing with the game and the models and will be sharing this video to help spread the word, Great job :)
Protectorate of Memory is my favorite, but "Just new factions" that would be Dusk.
It's Protectorate of Menoth - though I have to say that "Protecrorate of Memory" sounds like a pretty cool organization in a fantasy setting!
@@mikefish1124 yeah, autocorrect thinks it knows best. 🤣
@theaniman oh I knew it was autocorrect silliness, I just thought the thing it came up with sounded kinda cool. Might make the Protectorate of Memory an org in my DnD game lol
I collected a decent bit of Warmachine models, and played it a bit, during Mk2 and it's first 3 or 4 expansion books... I LOVED that game, it's feel, it's mechanics, and the stories in the books... I haven't seen any PP stuff in any of the stores lately , and have no idea where I'd even go within a couple hours of here to try to find people playing this game... I'd love to make some of the old minis see a table again. I had a decent bit of Mercs to add into my armies... Cygnar and Khador mainly, with some Menoth... and I always wanted a Hordes army of Trollbloods...
I wish I could find some folks to try Mk4 with, as well as some people playing Shatterpoint. I'll have to look back at your channel, but have you tried shatterpoint much? If so, do you find it to be a fun game, or easy to teach some people to play?
Switching from WH40K to Warmachine 10+ years ago was for me like switching from Snakes and Ladders to chess. I was in shock to see how smart the game was and how intellectually rewarding it could be when you managed to pull off a complex plan using its incredibly deep toolbox in creative, unexpected ways. It has its flaws, but at the same time its design is way ahead of what GW offers even on their best days.
Great video, btw. I think the only thing that could be added is pictures of actual models in the beckground - especially when you discuss them. But maybe it's a thing for another WM video :)
Looking forward to more videos.
7:20 "... What is your favorite faction and why Cygnar..." 😂😂😂
My local meta is going through a bit of a revival recently in mk4, good to see. I recently started playing again after about a year. My main faction in mk2 and mk3 was Skorne. For mk4 I’m moving on to Orgoth because I like the new models and want to play with all the new fun stuff like magnetized jacks and warcasters having spell racks, etc. 🤓
Cryx. Love the look.
I really like Cryx. Superb undead faction, for sure.
Those new Ghosts of Ios though... dang
Love warmachine! Used to play in mk2, just picked up two mkiv forces. I saw you on the warmachine sub too haha
I sneak around all over the place! I mainly lurk though:)
Dude I've not played Hormachine since Mark 2 but I might jump back in.
Have you ever played Malifaux? Would love to hear your take on that system too.
I have not, but it's clearly one I need to get stuck into! Cards instead of dice is enough of a hook in its own!
@@GlassHalfDead I wait with baited breath. It was a revelation to hear someone say 40k is dead, kill team lives on but 40k is just not working. For a long time I've played it but not really enjoyed it.
@@delinquentgod I mean, wargaming is so much more than just the mechanics of the game you're playing. It's a real shame I don't like the mechanics of 40k because there's a lot around it that's cool. But yeah I dunno I guess I still have to find myself in what I want from wargaming lol
@@GlassHalfDead I still love the lore and the black library is amazing. I'm teaching my 9 Yr old Kill team but I just can't get excited by 40k any more. So now I've dug out my Trollkin and my protectorate of Menoth and I'm downloading the app.
But yeah have a crack at malifaux, the mechanics of choosing what value you attack with and having the choice of whether an attack goes through makes for some really interesting engagements.
Very interested in this game. Just waiting for the tree hugging faction before I jump in.
I'm definitely looking forward to seeing more warlock factions!
PP released Hordes that can be played alongside WM, and there is a faction in Hordes called the Circle Orboros. It's a faction of druids that has a goal of destroying civilization to bring balance back to nature. Might be something you're interested in. Plus, giant stone golems fighting robots sounds awesome.
I first discovered Warmachine way back when, after seeing the model for Kommander Sorscha and some Nyss Hunters, just before the release of the Retribution of Scyrah. I got the Iron Kingdoms RPG big book, and a couple of models, but kind of lost enthusiasm. I got back into wargaming in the last few years, but found GW lacking, following their changes. This is a quality primer to see what I've missed in the intervening years!
I've always been interested in Warma-hordes but never took the plunge. These days I play both Kill Team and Warcry, so I don't know if I have game time and money for Warma-hordes, but the appeal is still there....and calling to me.
It's a very different experience from both. In a good way :)
Buy 1 army box and you're done.
dat wow soundtrack in the background hits like a freight train
i uad been cautiously optimistic for WMH to return to form. the promise of "1 wizard and some big stuff" is tempting but it didnt really work like that on the table
I played Retribution of Scyrah and its a bit disappointing that all the old factions got deleted so people have to buy new models
Yes, I can sympathize with factions being canned. All I can say is that my personal take is that I'm so against metal models that I'm okay with it. I had a rather large trencher army, huge skorne and huge trollblood army, plus a small legion army. But... The chance to rebuild them in a larger scale and not metal wins me over.
Everyone's very different with money though, I fully understand
There are rules for most of the old („Legacy“) models in the main competitive format (“Prime”), an rules for all models in the so called “Ultimate” format, so your old models should be mostly or completely usable. I have so far been playing only my Legacy factions, without any problems, and with good results.
I dropped off of Warmahordes when Mk3 dropped. A combination of a dislike of some of the new mechanics, university, LGS politics and a battle with depression all combined to drive me away from the Iron Kingdoms. Which is a shame because the setting, lore and some of the game mechanics were actually great.
WM4
Also, stop making me look at WM4.
Oh yeah, WM4. Very obvious now you say it.
If you say MK4 in the mirror 🪞 4 times with the lights turned off, they say MKIV will haunt you
I fucking love your vids :)
great explanation! I hope this video brings more people to appreciate this magnificent game.
I'll give you a quick correction, the Orcs exist, they are called Ogrun, as well as goblins, called Gobbers.
They are a race in danger of becoming extinct like the dwarves, who in the lore, have been enemies for years, who have almost definitively destroyed each other, until a truce and a friendship was born, and in this friendship pacts were also born, many dwarves cut their beards to remember the pact of friendship and memory of the war. Orcs are found in the dwarf faction the Rhulic, others are found in mercenary and pirate factions.
in addition to the difference in rules between Mk3 and Mk4, in lore and style, it changes from steampunk to DieselPunk.
Khador abandons old steam and their old engines to power their Jacks, and they discover gasoline, thus creating new and more powerful engines enchanted with arcane pistons and no longer just arcane gears.
They seem to want to get away from Menoth's "religious crusader" angle for sociopolitical reasons. If we see them come back, they won't be the same. It'll be interesting to see what they wind up doing. Great skim through the game, thank you for the video!
This game was my favorite, until I moved and the player base was wholly nonexistent in my area, I tried for years to cultivate more players but with little to no success. I like all of my local game stores dropped the game
what is the gameplay at 22:33? never seen that in my life
Wow this sounds really fun
Take a swing at it! Don't have the models yet? Not to worry, rules are free just proxy the models and see what vibes for you.
It's good to see some non-GW content for a change. WM was the first TTWG I actually played, rather than just collect.
I haven't seen a MKIV faction that sold me yet (Cryx is looking aight, though), but if they drop a good-looking, not-too-busy Rhulic battlegroup (with customizable Warjacks!), it'd be an auto-buy for me.
I still have my old Rhulics, and they're hands-down my favorite non-Tolkien-esque Dwarves ever.
Privateer press has been killing it with the new MK4 Factions.Can't wait for my Orgoth colossals
The models look good
Cheers for this, picked up Cygnar Battlegroup a while back then the game changed and the playerbase basically died over here. Looking to get back in now. Hope that the Jacks and Warcasters I have can still be used, given I know a certain one died in lore and came back as an angel?
If you're looking to play an army from before MK4 released, you need to check the app to see if it's made it into "Prime".
However every model (almost) has rules for the Unlimited format!
And luckily there aren't enough players to go around, so everyone is willing to play the Unlimited format with you! This isn't 40k, we can't be picky xD
I always loved Warmachine... but negating not one but two entire factions of mine (Menoth and Circle) in the narrative reboot was kind of the end for me. It's hard to want to spend another $2000 on a new collection when your previous $4000+ collection just got relegated to the dustbin of history.
Us newbloods will carry the narrative torch. There are dozens of us!!
It really is something. Great Video and great explanation of the game. Also so much Lore to dig through as well and fun mechanics and easy to get into and learn the Rules. If you're interested in any Lore feel free to stop by. My class is always Open and we post a lot.
Can you still use Hordes factions? I have Trolls and Circle?
MAN I LOVE THIS GAME! CAN WE BRING IT BACK!!!
It's great!
So ... sudden SFG acquisition of Iron Kingdoms .... good or bad for MK4?
@@SciFiPorkChop28 Ummmm... too early to tell. On the positive note: the IP and business model in general was obviously successful enough to be purchased. All the naysayers would have told you the IP would never sell. But it's now alongside Horizon zero dawn, dark souls, and Monster Hunter.
And who cares about the negative note. Life sucks, the world is in shambles, I'm going to be positive about my silly little toy hobby!
I have some 1200 models spanning 7 factions and they are all useless where I live, no games at all. I don't even know how to being to sell that kind of inventory either..... so much shame...
I'm in the same boat. Friends and I started in MK2 and played some of MK3 and we've completely fell out of love with the game when 40k started to not suck anymore. Now we're stuck with full faction of models from 3 factions that no one wants. Might end up donating it at this point.
Love to get into mkIV and see what's it's all about. Played warmachine and hordes in its peak from mk2- early mk3.
Eager to get a starter set and have a go but nothing in stock in the UK :( have to wait
Old Circle Orboros player here, haven’t been around anything Privateer Press related since Kromac got the wyrm axe back. I am at a loss, what happened, why can’t I find Hordes minis on Privateers site? do I need to have a 3D printer? Someone please explain in as much detail as possible what is going on with warmahordes.
since they merged the 2 brands together. and they already goy rid of most legacy minis from their catalog.
ive not played warmachine since i was in uni, im 36 now xD if/when we get some new menoth ill likely jump back in (update, i found a local community and took the plunge, i now know menoth are a bit... gone. xD but thats ok theres coolness that came from their ashes.)
where are these cutscenes from for warmachine? its great animation
It's from the early trailer for Warmachine: Tactics.
what is the game at around 5min? I have the old WM tactics on steam
That is the E3 trailer for Tactics before it had a MASSIVE change, as you can see xD
@@GlassHalfDead yeah, I personally would have opted not to use any of that footage, since the game depicted doesn't actually exist. But I understand that the need for content is an ever-present burden.
@@phirewinda fair take, but I am not advertising the game, I'm advertising the universe, and I always feel that 3d models moving around is a great advert regardless. To me it's the same as the cinematic cutscene
I think it always needs to be mentioned, that the biggest difference between warmachine and any Warhammer game, and what makes one feel so much more competitive/unforgiving than the other, is the fact that there is absolutely no randomisation in your charges in warmachine. (Unless that changed in mk4 as I haven't played or looked). But this was one of the main reasons why so often newer players get absolutely smashed in war machine... And the biggest reason I could never get get any of my more casual friends into war machine.. because they get minced so hard by juggling threat ranges
You can pre measure your charges before committing and the charges are not randomised in Warmachine.
This sounds way more forgiving than randomly determining your charge distance, failing, and getting shot off the board.
That sounds awful.
@@theworldsays4264 depends what your definition of fun is. If you lean towards narrative and swing or competition and predictablility. Most casual players prefer the former
@@wisdomfpv1499 true Warmachine MkIV is a more narrative driven game.
I don't want to get into a new game... but I might just get into this one
I really like the setting! I'm personally just trying to figure out how to be in the setting as much as I can wtihout getting OVERLY into the rules themselves, odd as that might sound.
@@GlassHalfDead I totally get that. I even downloaded their game on Steam to see how much I can get out of this setting before committing to minis
@@Slohcin31820 So, I actually like the game. I think it's a totally fine and competent tactical game. And the graphics, for what it is, look stellar. It's not XCom, obviously, but it's not terrible.
The only real negative I have of it is that the UI scaling is really really tiny and I can't read things and everything is hard to click.
I accept that a large part of that enjoyment is "oh cool, warmachine models in 3D!"
@@GlassHalfDead That's understandable. I haven't had any issues yet myself but my 13" laptop screen works pretty well with small UI I guess 😅
If you like the video game 🎮, the chill thing is that you buy 1 army box and you're ready to go.
Casual play existed in mk1 where rules were way harder to learn. No reason it can't exist now.
It has more to do with the community's approach to the game than the system.
Warmachine is great, and deserves more content, but there are certainly a fair few games that do a similar thing of interlocking skills - malifaux, guild ball, bushido
All these three are to a large extent based on Warmachine Mk2 so that's not strange. They are definitely not mass battle wargames, however. I play quite a bit of Bushido myself!
In my defense, I haven't played those games and ignorance is bliss 😎
And I was relating everything to 40k as I think that's always a safe bet as an angle of attack. And I stand by the notion that if you play 40k, you simply haven't seen the interactivity of a game like warmachine.
kinda makes me wish all my game stores didnt die off in 2016
Cryx
Cryx are life.
Ironic...
I've been playing for a bit. 75 is the best balanced I think. I think tournaments should be 50 to 75 points. 100 is a bit to much I think
How does 100 play for the narrative scenarios?
Been playing since mk1 serving the dragon father with my cryx, really loving the new scenarios,
How are you feeling about the upcoming nucryx?
@GlassHalfDead I like the look of them, I want to see rules now
As I said in other Videos. I believe they should sell the STLs for the rest of the World that doesn't have a way to import these, making more market penetration. The STL could have a different sculpt from the ones sold physical on the their store. If they do it in some kind of subscription how Mantic is doing, they should have more income to keep releasing more models and lore quicker making the game more popular faster and earning more money in the process.
I personally don't want to 3d print my own models. And I understand that Privateer is set up all around selling their physical models. But I agree that there should be some sort of option for STL files. I don't know what exactly. I understand they don't want to just hand out every file... But yeah I think they need to do something
@@GlassHalfDead what I meant is having both options(Physical and 3D Files), like Mantic is doing. There are people who have to 3D print if they want to game. I think there is a demand for both markets at the same type of game. For example, I used to play a lot of MK2; the import costs in my country were more feasible back in the day. Right now, if I want to play something that comes from UK or US, if I don't 3d print, I can't play, but I'm more than glad to pay for some subscription or files. I know this is some impediment that other players who don't live in first world countries sometimes have to face. At the end, making a game more accessible is equals more people playing it.
Mantic experimenting with STLs as a viable product and Privateer Press experimenting with print farming (which everyone said would end the company) does not make one business better than the other.
These are small companies using their nimbleness to compete with the GW juggernaut.
That said Half Glass 🍷 seems to be focusing more on the core rule differences rather than the business practices. On that side of things, outside of the exploding eights, Mantic plays a lot like 40k.
Basically models that roll dice at each other Vs Models holding a strategic placement on the board in an evolving puzzle 🧩
Some players really like one and hate the other and vice versa. It's a pretty hard dividing line in terms of preference.
Like, even if GW started giving away STLs tomorrow I wouldn't even grab them, just because I'm not interested in that style of game.
I'm a Tetris brain 🧠 not a dice 🎲 🧠, and I like unraveling the puzzle 🧩 more than rolling the dice 🎲 buckets.
If you don't like 40K anymore (And I don't blame you), you could switch to Grimdark Future by Onepagerules. Then you could continue using your 40K armies.
Great video. Title needs more clickbait
Oh I know, I really considered it. You know some sort of "40k killer" or something. But ultimately I decided not to because then all the comments would be nasty and I don't have the energy for that anymore in my old age
Not 'Steampunk'. Full Metal Fantasy!
Exactly 💯 someone finally said it
You should try infinity and Battletech.
I have 3 infinity armies. Battletech seems cool but when it comes to games outside of GW, you've got to pick some mains, and warmachine is where I've ended up as I like the aesthetic over the others
This is why Like Warlords game's Bolt Action, they use what are called "order dice" which you draw from a bag, completely randomising the turns.
I do enjoy different initiative systems in games. The order bag pull is good. Conquest has you set your troops' order cards so you draw them in order. Shatterpoint has random activation draw. And then the goat xwing has actual initiative order and count down. Lots of interesting mechanics I'd love to see explored more
All factions look great, and lore seems cool. But nobody plays here in spain, so it is not even an option for me XD
I guess you guys have always had Infinity for the 40k cast offs that wanted a tighter game!
@@GlassHalfDead true hahaha. I should play infinity for patriotism. But i have to admit warmachine looks more appealing to me hahaha. Infinity esthetic is not for me (van saar and tau are the only GW factions i don't like)
@@pabloalonsolasagabaster658 Oh nooo, I'm a Tau lover! But yeah, if you want fantasy, then Infinity is the literal opposite xD
@@GlassHalfDead they don't even have magic!! Hahaha
i pref conquest after mk4
To each their own! I hear great things about Parabellum and there's enough love to go around for all the minis games imo :)
Conquest sculpts are dope
Damn seeing the video of the video game that almost was really hurts a little. Privateer Press has done things well but really missed the mark with their video game attempt.
I got into Warmachine/Hordes in highschool around MK3. Im not gonna lie, the new models for MK4 do not really inspire me and its really sad seeing the aesthetics change. I really want to get back in, but it seems like Warmachine has evolved into something I wont wanna get back into unless I wanna buy all the old books and models
What is the 3rd party 3d printing scene like for Warmachine?
Basically nonexistent.
There's not one.
As the others say, it doesn't exist at all. I looked around for vague proxies on Etsy (I buy 3d prints, I don't print myself, I just like cool models), and there really isn't anything that is "this is a warmachine army BUT DIFFERENT". Of course you can always look at generic cultist or generic knight with sword and shield, but finding warjacks is a no go.
Theres no one, but there are some models around. They are low poly t-posed models but if you have the skills with modelling software you can come with something printable. I just printed some khador kodiak and marauder heads and arms to transform my old juggernaut and destroyer. Its time consuming but can be done
MKII was the best era of Warmachine/Hordes. It was everywhere. With MKIII the scene died out in my area... At home we still bring out our old armies to give the game a go.
I love the idea of Warcasters/Warlocks and their Warmachines/Beasts! I haven't been following the lore so thanks for the recap. My Protectorate of Menoth is gone...
I also love Warhammer 40k 10th ed so you kind of loose me every time you take a swipe at it.
Warmachine skirmish when? 2017's Company of Iron. Based on MkIII, I preferred it to actual Warmachine/Hordes then.
I picked up the starter set back then, yes, but it was treated like a one off game and never really discussed after release!
I'd like to see a Skirmish version with an actual release plan and support etc etc for MK4!
Warcaster is the Warmachine skirmish game. You know 5000 years in the future with some of the Iron Kingdoms population being teleported to a new galaxy.
I'm still waiting for Protectorate of Menoth to return. Although I'm afraid of how they change faction esthetics. I didn't like any visual updates so far. Too Sci-Fi, I preferred more Steam Punk look.
sadly there is not going to be a Protectorate of Menoth MK4 faction. the PoM in lore is a dead faction now made up if infighting city states that are struggling to even keep themselves afloat. if we get something for menoth it will be the people that ran to Zu.
warmachines dead af where im at
It’s dead everywhere 😏
Cryx = Dragon, Undead and Pirates all rolled into one
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Everyone is talking about rule sets, distribution, competition, etc. As if the ONLY people who even know about this game aren't the same 100 people who liked it 20+ years ago (myself included).
Mk4 launched...idk...like a year ago? I was super excited for like a week or two when it was announced, and then LITERALLY NOTHING until now. No news, no videos, nothing online anywhere talking any of it. Nothing.
Did everyone just forget what the word marketing means? How marketing works? I love my hobby stores, but this is a niche inside of a niche inside of a niche. Why doesn't the product sell? NOONE KNOWS it exists. Stop trying to sell the same product to the same audience. We're old, crotchety, and half of us are dead.
Go put your product on Tik Tok, Instagram, shower painted miniatues on twitch streamers and online influencers for free. GET EYEBALLS ON YOUR PRODUCT.
These minis and this setting is AMAZING. Introduce it to the world again ffs. Rizz this #%!^ up plz.
I binned my Warmahordes armies about 5 years ago. (RIP my Conquest)
Nobody seems to play it, no matter where I go. I even live in Privateer Press's backyard in Washington State. Nothing. No models in stores, no players, no P3 paints.
Also shout out to any Khador veterans who remember a time when you could say "The best Khador warcaster is only as good as the worst Cryx warcaster" back when Cryx was broken and Khador had doo doo warcasters.
The Tried and True Warmachine Community Finder shows 4 active metas in Washington: in Bremerton, Lacey, Seattle and Olympia. There are always more, these are the ones that added themselves to the finder. 3 of them are playing in game stores.
This game used to be pretty popular around here during the MkI and MkII days. Then MkIII came out and it just dried up. Now stores here don't even carry it.
Warmachine has a skirmish game it's called "company of iron" I have it.
Oh yes, I own (owned) the box for CoI too! But it's no longer current, so I want MK4, revamped skirmish!
No, it's called Warcaster and it's awesome and it's getting released with resin models this year.
It’s funny the same reason you like the aesthetic is the same reason I prefer 40K but I appreciate your passion
For sure, I mean aesthetics are super subjective. I think 40k is AMAZING for lots of cool aesthetic reasons. I mean obviously, right, a lot of people connect deeply with its blend of scifi and fantasy and grimdark etc.. But from a very personal view, I am bored of 40k. I don't think anything in it is bad, but it's my default. I've been in and around 40k and Fantasy since I was 10. I recognise its brilliance, but I'm looking for other things these days, and getting to put "kinda like warcraft" on the tabletop is fun for me :)
Better than Kings of War. Not for me it's not
What I dislike the most by far of Mk4 is that every single old model from Mk3 is now a legacy model. I wouldn't call that respecting the player either.
Another issue is the fact what they picked for tournament legal legacy models. Like in MK3 PoM players picked up a lot of models for faithful masses. every single model that was in that theme are not legal for the main mode of play instead it was the flameguard the least bought models of MK3 that were picked to be legal. Or the fact Legacy is already getting power crept with the newest cygnar caster hard countering huge based models something that only legacy factions have right now.
Mmm yes that's fair. I guess. I dunno, I'm just very in favour of models no longer being metal and being larger in scale, and how they decided to get there is fine by me.
Also, I just genuinely want warmachine to succeed and grow, and I today understand that the company had to cull everything. And then they let almost everyone still use their old factions, with some of them still being top tournament armies. So I understand the frustration, and the community just becomes chill with people procuring old models with new ones. Seems fine to me!
Interesting that you feel that way, as I personally have no negative connotations with the word “legacy”, especially when I consider that the fluff in the world has moved on and many of the old armies do not exist in that way in the current fluff / point in time anymore.
Much better calling it legacy though, than some other companies not calling your old models anything, and just making them gone and not officially supported in anyway any longer. 😊
@@flameknightdragonI feel with you as someone with large legacy collections, and some of the models only being available in the “non- competitive format”.
I do have to say that more than 90% of the models I own found a place in the competitive format, so I am generally very happy. Two years into the new edition, and I have yet to play a Mk4 model myself, with Legacy being a lot of fun.
Dead game, no players, no store interest, a company that's outright scammy (and one of the worst employers in the industry allegedly), bland sculpts that also have massive QC issues. Oh and they semi-squatted ALL of the factions and minis from mk3 and before.
And this was all done to make some very minor rule changes between mk3 and mk4.
That'll be a hard pass for most sane people.
Just call me insane then xD
@@GlassHalfDead tbh I'd call you a shill :)
@@Alucard291 passionate!
@@Alucard291lol 😂 yep because making content for non-GW product is so profitable.
I think you are living in a narrative and not in reality.
Taking the plunge on Mark 4 is a big expensive gamble. They casually killed their range and started 3d printing on essentially consumer grade 3d printing hardware from the looks of it. There were reports of uncured models with resin leaking early on, a lot of broken models in the packaging, and under cured airships in some of the newer ranges that were floppy. They are also on par in price as GW for something you could get on Etsy. I always liked the rules system but the company is run poorly and they have killed a lot of the communities worldwide with mark 4
Curious, i have not seen anything about uncured resin since the first wave and even then it was proven to be overreaction of the person. And those things blow up in facebook like crazy.
As for being on par with gw in prices, i will get more gaming value from the two army boxes than buying a gw battleforce and vanguard box. And the price is around the same, depending on your dealer and country of course.
I mean any report of uncured resin should be taken seriously, but it definitely was more than one person and I dont think anything was ever proven - a lot of he said she said. And the amount of gaming you get out of it is purely subjective and a choice to play or the groups you have around you. Also I did say the price is similar, but for consumer grade resin prints its not a great value. Enjoy it if you want, but see it as a short term investment and not a real alternative to main stream games.
@@TheVar666 of course cant remember for sure but considering the companys good track record on customer service, i would say it was sorted out. Of course cant be sure.
As for game value, i talk in the context of larger competetive meta that the game has. And which is growing back again slowly. Any game apart from gw is a risk, but if you have a decent meta, the game is a good alternative to gw for a good rules set.
I admit i the initial prints were bad but the current ones have been good and i dont really miss the hassle of gap filling etc ive had with my 40k/aos projects.
Not more expensive than any other gamble in the Wargaming space 🌌🚀.
Especially since one army box gets you in.
You could spend 1000+ dollars 💵 playing a game that is popular only to find out that, not only are you not good at it, but you don't find the mechanics entertaining.
As always everyone should explore and play games that they actually have fun playing. And not one game will be all things to all people.
@@Lukkimusya, when a business takes a risk to right the ship there will always be bumps. Luckily, I've had no issues with my product so far but PP has really good customer service. When I've had problems in the past they just replaced stuff no questions asked.
Isn't this game dead already?
Nope!
This company is more cashgrabby then GW. When I think of the money I spent on my menoth and cryx army. Or the buggy Video game they releases. Priateer Press defnitly a hard no for me.
It's dead Jim...