I gotta say Rob, your videos are by far the best edited and informative on you tube.. The filming and slow mo shots are on point too. Kudos aplenty! Cracking vid👍🏻👍🏻
Gotta agree - I watch less of these when not set to buy. I’m always amazed to see how crisp and well edited these videos are. Been a casual viewer since Covid and decathalon stilus days 😂 Keep up good work
Also being 6'-3" and having recently ridden the Dune XR and the Dune RR I think it's safe to say that most riders of the XL frame are best off limiting fork travel to the 170mm spec of the Dune RR rather than the 180mm spec of the Dune XR. Keep the stem 35mm or shorter (and fit some higher rise bars if you must) but I'd agree that the chainstays are not long enough in relation to the XL frame's reach to run the fork at 180mm without feeling like you need to ride with consistent attention to weighting the front end (regardless of what you do with the cockpit). That's a riding position that some aggressive riders and pro racers seem to prefer, but I can't adapt to it. At 170mm of fork travel the XL Dune RR had a more balanced ride with good front traction, and a more synced feel in regard to the fork and shock bearing an equal amount of the work load (I rode with the shock compression one click from fully open on a 502 spring). Also, Mondraker has elected to leave the negative air chamber volume spacer in place on the Ohlins fork. Those familiar with it know that removing it makes it more plush off the top and ride a little lower in its travel like a Fox 38. I prefer more support off the top instead of the added plushness, so I plan to leave the negative spacer in place and fit a 170mm air spring to a Dune XR while reducing the shocks coil spring rate to 480.
Is this the most beautifully filmed eMTB review ever? People are saying. The bike doesn't hurt the eyes but the quality of production certainly elevates the viewer experience. Gorgeous bike, spectacular setting and highly skilled camera work. As to the bike. Interupted seat tubes don't play well with droppers. One Up would be the obvious choice and AXS alsmost seems like a lazy spec choice. How cleanly can you run a cable around that tunnel?
Careful you nearly baffled me there with your science of explanation ....I've spoken to the lads in design and after 3 long years of designing this frame George says the claims are false .........I can tell you there gutted and have offered to come in Sunday to spend the next 3 years trying to get it right this time .
Sorry Rob....on anything other than smooth bits of terrain it looks close to being uncontrollable. Back end still looks too lively even with the lighter spring and the bike looks very unbalanced front to rear.
Rob I have watched the otb you suffered. The aches and pains take forever - I hope you have recovered - It appeared to have happened because your weight was too far forward, then you turned the handle on downhill and perhaps braked, there was only one unfortunate outcome. Whipping over small jumps, jamming the rear brakes, jumping technique and line choices make me worry about future risks. We are not getting any younger - my sincere advice, no offence intended, in view of your very successful emtb channel; get a mtb coach (including trials type balance work, refining technique on dirt jumper) and really work on your technique (improve safety and test ride bikes), invest in fitness coach - just as important. Great content and long it may last!
regardless all the valuable words about bike . When I see this scenery of coasts under Sintra there is tickling running on my skin ... been sitting exactly on that stone where bike is couple of sunsets... such an amazing place to be
Here just to say how beautiful and amazing Sintra mountain is…🌳🌿 The best shots are from that magical place…Rob edition, on several occasions, mixes footage places…with the newest Levo SL same thing happened…
I'm not trying to cause trouble, but it's funny how people say weight doesn't matter on an ebike. Why are they making lightweight ones? Less power, less battery, and more money. I owned a levo sl and I can ride my levo just as well.
I love Mondrakers, but hate that they have short seat post insertion abilities limiting the drop of the seat length. This has stopped me from owning one. At the 11:10 mark you have the seat slammed and there's a good 12" of room still. The AXS post stack is high, but still plenty of room to drop . Too bad the shock mount doesn't allow for a longer dropper. Also, it seems like your seat could go higher. During your hill climb it looked like you could get mor extension in your legs. Great video as always.
Good to hear I'm not alone with my opinion about Öhlins. The airshock was about the same speed as in your video - on the slowest setting with already adapted shims. The fork is ok, but far from the performance of the latest ZEB. Öhlins - most overrated brand in the bike world.
I haven’t tried their shock but the ohlins fork blows fox and rockshox out the water. They just can’t stand multiple big hits without spiking like a 3-chamber fork can.
Depends on body position etc - but stock rise was too low for me (25mm if I remember) meaning I had to run them with max height high on the fork steerer which in turn reduces reach.
I think it’s fair to say Rob didn’t like it. Hard for reviewers to come out and actively say that, but there’s enough in here to act as warning signs. Remember, Rob and most other reviewers are gushing with praise when they find something they like. This is not that bike.
Yeti SB130 "Lunch Ride" builds with their 10mm of extra fork travel were always similarly unbalanced on their XL frames in my experience. Not unrideable, but certainly felt as though the shock was overworked and the fork underworked. Spec'ing a longer stem rather than shifting weight forward and keeping the bar rise low only made it worse. It would be interesting to get Rob's take on the Dune R and it's shorter 170mm fork and longer reach -- and perhaps remove the negative volume spacer from the fork as that allows it to ride a little lower in it's travel while extending the effective reach a bit further. As an XL rider and long time Ohlins user I can say the difference will be more than subtle.
Definitely looks like you're not fully comfortable riding that bike Rob. The rear biased weight distribution really makes itself felt on XL and some large bikes. Well done for highlighting this.
Cockpit choice is very personal so you shouldn’t really be negative about the bike for this. Everything is a compromise as you know as there would be 20 different frame sizes, coil springs and stem lengths. Sounds like the suspension is the issues on what should be a great bike.
Seat tube height is a cancer for most big bikes because people who ride it are already big and tall people. They would feel like they lean to much on the bar. Im 203 cm tall and i fully understand this issue. My slash and rail have lower seatube height, but still put spacers under the bar and also changed from stock 27.5 mm to 40 mm rise bar and it felt much better. This bike would be terrible for someone like me with that seattube.
Even with 450 pound spring the backend seems to active. It really struggled to provide stability and grip. Given we have seen how good the DH rig tracks the ground and if this meant to be same, it would suggest further effort needs probably from a suspension specialist to really dial that back end in. Good video
this headtube looks very slim even there is headset cable routing. I know there is only one brake cable but still looks neat! However it will be better for everyone if this cable goes inside the frame in different place than through headset bearing..
I have a Mondraker F Podium. It’s my favorite bike I own. I think this bike is stunning, and I’d love to ride it, but it’s out of my price range at the moment. I’ll stick to my old Levo for the time being.
Lovely bike, but to expensive imo. I have Gen 5 Trek Slash and gen 4 Trek rail both high end models. From riding an ebike for a while i started to come to conclusion, that light ebikes are maybe not the best way to go because the power of the motor also needs to be controlled on the trail. What does that is the weight of the bike, the heavier weight makes the bike stick to the ground and be smoother on the corners etc. On lighter ebikes, it feels like the bike is to light for the power of the motor and the speed that you carry can not only be controlled by the body. Personal opinion, but i think the light ebikes are not the best choice for super enduro. I think it works for trail bikes like something of Fuel Exe type because you dont go ham on those. But on superenduro its different story. Im kinda excited to see how Trek Slash + performs. It has more preferable geometry than Dune. Want to see it soon tested
I do wonder if this floating shock/coil system, they need a bit more research and refinement? Looking at the slow-mo - and thanks for lots of that Rob - I think I can see the links fighting each other rather than working synergistically…
Lightweight motor for Lightweight riders! It's hopeless with me over 250lbs I'm sticking to my Cube Stereo with the performance CX I honestly didn't think there would have been such a difference being electric but waw massive difference! It doesn't work or support my weight it would probably burn out quite quick aswell with a heavier rider
Did you notice the motor cutting out at all? Someone I know has had issues with it cutting out and Bosch and the retailer have said there's nothing wrong with it - there clearly is thought!
That was my thought as well. Back in the 80’s when we would put long travel forks on hardtails, we would have the same problem. Also if you look at the Dune lineup, the other models only come with a 170mm fork. The front of his bike looks very high. I’m waiting for my XL Dune RR to arrive, we’ll see how it works.
Not really. You’ll notice I dropped the bars on the steerer tube to preserve reach out the front stock bars I was running all the way at the top of the steerer tube (reducing reach somewhat). Bar height is certainly something that I play around with a bit - on steep DH sections (that a bike like this is suitable for), at 191cm tall, a high rise bar helps. The biggest thing I noticed was the Front Centre to Rear Centre ratio. My rider weight is placed much further rearwards due to the shorter rear centre versus front centre. My hips are quite far over the rear tyre, my torso has to compensate by leaning far forward to place as much weight over the front as possible. Lower bars can help, but, at the expense of rider stability on steep DH sections (rider weight gets pulled forwards if bars are too low) The weight bias changes per frame size, smaller riders get a more forward weight bias, XL riders get the most rearward bias. This can be mitigated with size specific chainstays.
Isn't the high rev required to get full power counter productive in steep situations where it can set you off balance, and it's harder to control real wheel traction ?
Love my Dune R,for light + fit Riders is the perfect Bike,with some upgrades it weights 18kg, its my favourite working horse for guiding, by the way,Algarve has some cool Trails- JONYS E BIKE TOURS
Hi Rob nice video as always, can you compare the dune with the Conway Ryvon Lt? The seems are the only 2 long travel light weight e-bike ( apart from the new trek)
What 50mm rise bars can you recommend? I have a Mondraker Level size M and thinking of changing my current setup (40mm stem & 38mm rise bar) to a 50mm stem & 50mm rise bar for better bar height , but also for better front end weighting.
I think mondraker is an eye catching bike for sure, but unfortunately it is not made for the regular Joe / weekend warrior, the sizing and geo is mainly focused on racing, it is an actually really hard to ride it if you are not charging 100% of the time. Beautiful bike but it is definitely not for many people..!!!
I've had the RR version for a month now and can anyone advise if pedalling with the motor turned off feels like pedalling through treacle is normal? This is my first experience of a eMTB and I was hoping that without motor assistance it would ride just like a heavy MTB but there seems to be a huge amount of resistance/drag in the system that gets worse the harder you pedal. Is this normal or should I be taking it to a Bosch service centre to get it checked out? It makes the bike basically unusable if you run out of battery
I wouldn’t have thought there should be much drag. I haven’t ridden a bike with a SX motor but I have ridden a Mahle 1.1 and TQ HPR50 powered bikes and they don’t have much drag when unassisted at all. What I have found is that it “feels” draggy if you have used a high assistance for a while then turn it off. If you ride the bike from the start with no assistance it feels pretty much like a normal bike.
@@streddaz This is riding from 0 mph without the motor switched on. If you pedal lightly it feels ok but as soon as you put power down on the pedals the resistance gets higher and harder. Googling the issue other people have experienced the same but others say they have no issue
@@nickirwin9226 hard to say myself without having ridden a bike with an SX motor. I can ride my old 2020 Levo SL like a normal bike quite easily. I’ve done several reasonably long rides with it off. It feels a bit heavy, but the drag is barely noticeable. I would have thought the Bosch motor would be similar. Have you asked the question on the EMTB forum? There would be a few SX motor owners there I would think.
Rob, can we just talk about those products shots... seriously, they're like award winning cinematography. 2. Gotta call out the helmet buddy, major space ball vibes going on :P. 3. What do these light weight e's feel like anyway? Is it something where you would never use your regular bike ever again or?
180mm is Too Long That Front End is Jacked up too Much and Too slack.Not Sure About a Low Powered Long Travel Bike,I Thought You Thought The Same. Watching You Ride This Your Not A Good Fit at All on this,Foward Geo is Pants if You ask Me We Need to See How Good that Nicoli G16 is When You Get it Built and on the Scales ?
I bet you have the Gen 5 Bosch there testing it don't you 😂 I heard today it's coming in September, someone let it slip when I was inquiring about the TRP A12 EASI
Really don't get the "motor sound" issue... Got a CX and in E-MTB and Turbo it is a little nosey, but I couldn't bother less tbh...I'm concentrated on my steering and riding anyway... BUT what really annoys is my MT7's when they are wet/moist... sounds like I'm strangling a moose or something 😂 hikers look at me angrily and I understand them... embarrassing 🙈
Looks like you need higher preload in the forks, they're nearly bottomimg out over small bumps. Counter-Intuitively adding air can make the ride smoother, since the pressure increases linearly as the fork compresses, adding air keeps you in the smoother initial travel region.
I was I was actually going to sell my Orbea Rise M10 to get this because I actually had a ride on the dune in a car park but tbh I don’t think it’s much better than the Orbea has anyone else tried both ?
rob i need ur help i just boucht the canyon specral on cf8 with the new ep801 motor but it rattles like crazie wen i go on the smalest of things is it broken or is it normal bicus i broucht it to the dealer and he sed it is fine but my dad has the axact same bike and his is dead silint pls help me
In many ways the dune is objectively bad imo (and I own one). On paper I would take the SN everyday. However when looking at bikes I was unable to find any reassurance that the Fazua drive system is getting any more reliable. Many reporting multiple failures, long wait times for replacements, etc. When I tested a Heckler SL at a bike shop and the Fazua failed in the parking lot that was the nail in the coffin for me. That said it is possible to buy a spare system from Fazua to have in reserve if you really wanted. (Crazy idea but the peace of mind/minimizing downtime may be worth it)
Have enjoyed the spot? Went on all known trails? Sorry, but that "hard climb/though climb" is a no brainer and really don't use brain to climb that thing... Next time you're here, I'll show you THOUGH/DIFFICULT climbs... that I doubt you or anyone will do with a castrated ebike
The fact that you were able to make the British seaside look sunny, warm and inviting, is a feat of colour grading Rob. Absolutely nailed it.
It’s taken Sintra, Lisbon…Portugal, so NOT England! 😄
@@MrCasulu lmao now that makes perfect sense. I’ve never seen the UK look so warm and inviting. Appreciate it
@@MrCasuluTotally right!!
I gotta say Rob, your videos are by far the best edited and informative on you tube.. The filming and slow mo shots are on point too. Kudos aplenty! Cracking vid👍🏻👍🏻
Gotta agree - I watch less of these when not set to buy. I’m always amazed to see how crisp and well edited these videos are.
Been a casual viewer since Covid and decathalon stilus days 😂
Keep up good work
Also being 6'-3" and having recently ridden the Dune XR and the Dune RR I think it's safe to say that most riders of the XL frame are best off limiting fork travel to the 170mm spec of the Dune RR rather than the 180mm spec of the Dune XR. Keep the stem 35mm or shorter (and fit some higher rise bars if you must) but I'd agree that the chainstays are not long enough in relation to the XL frame's reach to run the fork at 180mm without feeling like you need to ride with consistent attention to weighting the front end (regardless of what you do with the cockpit). That's a riding position that some aggressive riders and pro racers seem to prefer, but I can't adapt to it. At 170mm of fork travel the XL Dune RR had a more balanced ride with good front traction, and a more synced feel in regard to the fork and shock bearing an equal amount of the work load (I rode with the shock compression one click from fully open on a 502 spring).
Also, Mondraker has elected to leave the negative air chamber volume spacer in place on the Ohlins fork. Those familiar with it know that removing it makes it more plush off the top and ride a little lower in its travel like a Fox 38. I prefer more support off the top instead of the added plushness, so I plan to leave the negative spacer in place and fit a 170mm air spring to a Dune XR while reducing the shocks coil spring rate to 480.
Don't fit the higher rise bars and he'll load the front more naturally
For reference, I'm 205 pounds geared up.
@@boonemooseyou’re making me want to order one asap haha
Bike Engineering 101 , Lesson 1:
Make a frame that can take a 200mm dropper insertion depth in all sizes. It can be done…
Sexy bike, but that seat tube height is an absolute deal breaker. No modern bike should have this issue anymore imo
Fair play for keeping the "crash footage" in the vid.🤙
Is this the most beautifully filmed eMTB review ever? People are saying. The bike doesn't hurt the eyes but the quality of production certainly elevates the viewer experience. Gorgeous bike, spectacular setting and highly skilled camera work.
As to the bike. Interupted seat tubes don't play well with droppers. One Up would be the obvious choice and AXS alsmost seems like a lazy spec choice. How cleanly can you run a cable around that tunnel?
in Öhlins fork is in the 3rd air chamber little white air spacer....pull it out and you gonna be golden.
Zero pedal kickback and beeing active under breaking is just false.
🙄
Careful you nearly baffled me there with your science of explanation ....I've spoken to the lads in design and after 3 long years of designing this frame George says the claims are false .........I can tell you there gutted and have offered to come in Sunday to spend the next 3 years trying to get it right this time .
Lol you can watch in the video pedal kickback
@@ark530abeThis is indeed true and I’m surprised Rob didn’t mention this.
Sorry Rob....on anything other than smooth bits of terrain it looks close to being uncontrollable. Back end still looks too lively even with the lighter spring and the bike looks very unbalanced front to rear.
You always have a great reviews. I think you did the crash on purpose to make Friday fails though 😂🤣
I have the RR in medium,, removed that spacer from the air chamber in the fork and upped it to 180. It's epic!
Rob’s going crazy with his cinematics. Reach for the stars, mate. They’re in reach.
Rob
I have watched the otb you suffered. The aches and pains take forever - I hope you have recovered -
It appeared to have happened because your weight was too far forward, then you turned the handle on downhill and perhaps braked, there was only one unfortunate outcome.
Whipping over small jumps, jamming the rear brakes, jumping technique and line choices make me worry about future risks.
We are not getting any younger - my sincere advice, no offence intended, in view of your very successful emtb channel; get a mtb coach (including trials type balance work, refining technique on dirt jumper) and really work on your technique (improve safety and test ride bikes), invest in fitness coach - just as important.
Great content and long it may last!
regardless all the valuable words about bike . When I see this scenery of coasts under Sintra there is tickling running on my skin ... been sitting exactly on that stone where bike is couple of sunsets... such an amazing place to be
Putting a 50 mm rise bar on the bike with a short rear end and then complaining about front wheel traction 🙌🏻
Here just to say how beautiful and amazing Sintra mountain is…🌳🌿 The best shots are from that magical place…Rob edition, on several occasions, mixes footage places…with the newest Levo SL same thing happened…
I'm not trying to cause trouble, but it's funny how people say weight doesn't matter on an ebike. Why are they making lightweight ones? Less power, less battery, and more money. I owned a levo sl and I can ride my levo just as well.
That's one gorgeous looking bike in Duracell colours..!
Your content is so good. Doesn’t matter what you’re reviewing. I want to watch it! Excellent work. You’re making art right here 😁👏🏽
Amazing video Rob,amazing dream bike.
I love Mondrakers, but hate that they have short seat post insertion abilities limiting the drop of the seat length. This has stopped me from owning one. At the 11:10 mark you have the seat slammed and there's a good 12" of room still. The AXS post stack is high, but still plenty of room to drop . Too bad the shock mount doesn't allow for a longer dropper.
Also, it seems like your seat could go higher. During your hill climb it looked like you could get mor extension in your legs. Great video as always.
Good to hear I'm not alone with my opinion about Öhlins. The airshock was about the same speed as in your video - on the slowest setting with already adapted shims. The fork is ok, but far from the performance of the latest ZEB. Öhlins - most overrated brand in the bike world.
Dvo is a better suspension system. I've done a back to back on this.
I haven’t tried their shock but the ohlins fork blows fox and rockshox out the water. They just can’t stand multiple big hits without spiking like a 3-chamber fork can.
@@rdyson The DVO then sends the Ohlins home ....
Loic says the same. He would win everything if he wasn't on öhlins.
Do the higher bars not unweight the front? Cracking looking bike, but with the Wild and the Cannondale coming in full powered at about 20kgs...
Depends on body position etc - but stock rise was too low for me (25mm if I remember) meaning I had to run them with max height high on the fork steerer which in turn reduces reach.
@@RobRidesEMTB Suppose your longer stem would offset that too. Great video as usual man!
I think it’s fair to say Rob didn’t like it. Hard for reviewers to come out and actively say that, but there’s enough in here to act as warning signs.
Remember, Rob and most other reviewers are gushing with praise when they find something they like. This is not that bike.
Yeti SB130 "Lunch Ride" builds with their 10mm of extra fork travel were always similarly unbalanced on their XL frames in my experience. Not unrideable, but certainly felt as though the shock was overworked and the fork underworked. Spec'ing a longer stem rather than shifting weight forward and keeping the bar rise low only made it worse. It would be interesting to get Rob's take on the Dune R and it's shorter 170mm fork and longer reach -- and perhaps remove the negative volume spacer from the fork as that allows it to ride a little lower in it's travel while extending the effective reach a bit further. As an XL rider and long time Ohlins user I can say the difference will be more than subtle.
Definitely looks like you're not fully comfortable riding that bike Rob.
The rear biased weight distribution really makes itself felt on XL and some large bikes. Well done for highlighting this.
Interesting bike, I'm glad we got to hear your honest opinions 👌 Great review Rob 👍
Cockpit choice is very personal so you shouldn’t really be negative about the bike for this. Everything is a compromise as you know as there would be 20 different frame sizes, coil springs and stem lengths. Sounds like the suspension is the issues on what should be a great bike.
Seat tube height is a cancer for most big bikes because people who ride it are already big and tall people. They would feel like they lean to much on the bar. Im 203 cm tall and i fully understand this issue. My slash and rail have lower seatube height, but still put spacers under the bar and also changed from stock 27.5 mm to 40 mm rise bar and it felt much better. This bike would be terrible for someone like me with that seattube.
Even with 450 pound spring the backend seems to active. It really struggled to provide stability and grip. Given we have seen how good the DH rig tracks the ground and if this meant to be same, it would suggest further effort needs probably from a suspension specialist to really dial that back end in. Good video
Oh and nice recovery from that biff. That appeared to hurt. 😮
I have the same coil shock on a 2022 Sam2 and it’s brilliant
Nice review, thanks! Hope you're well, that was quite the crash! 👍
this headtube looks very slim even there is headset cable routing. I know there is only one brake cable but still looks neat!
However it will be better for everyone if this cable goes inside the frame in different place than through headset bearing..
I have a Mondraker F Podium. It’s my favorite bike I own. I think this bike is stunning, and I’d love to ride it, but it’s out of my price range at the moment. I’ll stick to my old Levo for the time being.
I really wanted to like this bike when I demoed it. The Kenevo SL still rides much better and the Trek Slash+ looks like it could be a winner.
Even though I'm not in the market for one, I thouroughly enjoyed the review. Any ETA for a review of the Amflow?
Lovely bike, but to expensive imo. I have Gen 5 Trek Slash and gen 4 Trek rail both high end models. From riding an ebike for a while i started to come to conclusion, that light ebikes are maybe not the best way to go because the power of the motor also needs to be controlled on the trail. What does that is the weight of the bike, the heavier weight makes the bike stick to the ground and be smoother on the corners etc. On lighter ebikes, it feels like the bike is to light for the power of the motor and the speed that you carry can not only be controlled by the body. Personal opinion, but i think the light ebikes are not the best choice for super enduro. I think it works for trail bikes like something of Fuel Exe type because you dont go ham on those. But on superenduro its different story. Im kinda excited to see how Trek Slash + performs. It has more preferable geometry than Dune. Want to see it soon tested
I do wonder if this floating shock/coil system, they need a bit more research and refinement? Looking at the slow-mo - and thanks for lots of that Rob - I think I can see the links fighting each other rather than working synergistically…
Nice bike but it’s still DJI’s AmFlow for the win💯
Lightweight motor for Lightweight riders! It's hopeless with me over 250lbs I'm sticking to my Cube Stereo with the performance CX I honestly didn't think there would have been such a difference being electric but waw massive difference! It doesn't work or support my weight it would probably burn out quite quick aswell with a heavier rider
Finding The Truth is a noble endeavour.
Thank you.
The video production is spectacular though.
Did you notice the motor cutting out at all? Someone I know has had issues with it cutting out and Bosch and the retailer have said there's nothing wrong with it - there clearly is thought!
Ok, so you've risen your handlebars and changed the stem. Isn't this the reason you have problems with weighting the front wheel?
That was my thought as well. Back in the 80’s when we would put long travel forks on hardtails, we would have the same problem. Also if you look at the Dune lineup, the other models only come with a 170mm fork. The front of his bike looks very high. I’m waiting for my XL Dune RR to arrive, we’ll see how it works.
Not really. You’ll notice I dropped the bars on the steerer tube to preserve reach out the front stock bars I was running all the way at the top of the steerer tube (reducing reach somewhat).
Bar height is certainly something that I play around with a bit - on steep DH sections (that a bike like this is suitable for), at 191cm tall, a high rise bar helps.
The biggest thing I noticed was the Front Centre to Rear Centre ratio. My rider weight is placed much further rearwards due to the shorter rear centre versus front centre. My hips are quite far over the rear tyre, my torso has to compensate by leaning far forward to place as much weight over the front as possible.
Lower bars can help, but, at the expense of rider stability on steep DH sections (rider weight gets pulled forwards if bars are too low)
The weight bias changes per frame size, smaller riders get a more forward weight bias, XL riders get the most rearward bias. This can be mitigated with size specific chainstays.
Isn't the high rev required to get full power counter productive in steep situations where it can set you off balance, and it's harder to control real wheel traction ?
Love my Dune R,for light + fit Riders is the perfect Bike,with some upgrades it weights 18kg, its my favourite working horse for guiding, by the way,Algarve has some cool Trails- JONYS E BIKE TOURS
Hi Rob nice video as always, can you compare the dune with the Conway Ryvon Lt? The seems are the only 2 long travel light weight e-bike ( apart from the new trek)
What 50mm rise bars can you recommend? I have a Mondraker Level size M and thinking of changing my current setup (40mm stem & 38mm rise bar) to a 50mm stem & 50mm rise bar for better bar height , but also for better front end weighting.
I think mondraker is an eye catching bike for sure, but unfortunately it is not made for the regular Joe / weekend warrior, the sizing and geo is mainly focused on racing, it is an actually really hard to ride it if you are not charging 100% of the time. Beautiful bike but it is definitely not for many people..!!!
looks a great setup personally the front fork needs replacing to a Zeb.Ohlin's is overrated and way expensive get a Zeb or fox equivalent
aside from the bike, what an incredible job making this video 💪🏻💪🏻
Rob, make a video for the Scor 6080 Z LT 180/190 travel full powered bike with Bosch motor
I've had the RR version for a month now and can anyone advise if pedalling with the motor turned off feels like pedalling through treacle is normal? This is my first experience of a eMTB and I was hoping that without motor assistance it would ride just like a heavy MTB but there seems to be a huge amount of resistance/drag in the system that gets worse the harder you pedal. Is this normal or should I be taking it to a Bosch service centre to get it checked out? It makes the bike basically unusable if you run out of battery
I wouldn’t have thought there should be much drag. I haven’t ridden a bike with a SX motor but I have ridden a Mahle 1.1 and TQ HPR50 powered bikes and they don’t have much drag when unassisted at all. What I have found is that it “feels” draggy if you have used a high assistance for a while then turn it off. If you ride the bike from the start with no assistance it feels pretty much like a normal bike.
@@streddaz This is riding from 0 mph without the motor switched on. If you pedal lightly it feels ok but as soon as you put power down on the pedals the resistance gets higher and harder. Googling the issue other people have experienced the same but others say they have no issue
@@nickirwin9226I've had 3 Bosch CX bikes and they didn't have any drag apart the part you can expect from a heavy MTB
@@nickirwin9226 hard to say myself without having ridden a bike with an SX motor. I can ride my old 2020 Levo SL like a normal bike quite easily. I’ve done several reasonably long rides with it off. It feels a bit heavy, but the drag is barely noticeable. I would have thought the Bosch motor would be similar. Have you asked the question on the EMTB forum? There would be a few SX motor owners there I would think.
Rob, can we just talk about those products shots... seriously, they're like award winning cinematography. 2. Gotta call out the helmet buddy, major space ball vibes going on :P. 3. What do these light weight e's feel like anyway? Is it something where you would never use your regular bike ever again or?
Hy Rob, which 50mm Riser Bar‘s are you using ?! Thx 👍
Hi. They were Title MTB bars
180mm is Too Long That Front End is Jacked up too Much and Too slack.Not Sure About a Low Powered Long Travel Bike,I Thought You Thought The Same.
Watching You Ride This Your Not A Good Fit at All on this,Foward Geo is Pants if You ask Me
We Need to See How Good that Nicoli G16 is When You Get it Built and on the Scales ?
Until universal motors are introduced, frame weight should include the motor and battery.
Sooo, it’s a super expensive bike that needs to have parts swapped out in order to be set up properly for certain riders?
Is this bike a contender to specialized kenevo sl ?
Beautiful 🔥🔥
You should be out having a surf nice wave !
A bike built for people with long legs. Good luck finding those 5’6” riders with 34” inseam length.
I bet you have the Gen 5 Bosch there testing it don't you 😂 I heard today it's coming in September, someone let it slip when I was inquiring about the TRP A12 EASI
Really don't get the "motor sound" issue... Got a CX and in E-MTB and Turbo it is a little nosey, but I couldn't bother less tbh...I'm concentrated on my steering and riding anyway... BUT
what really annoys is my MT7's when they are wet/moist... sounds like I'm strangling a moose or something 😂 hikers look at me angrily and I understand them... embarrassing 🙈
The bike kind of looks odd on you compared to the Kenevo SL you test rode. IMO.
Looks like you need higher preload in the forks, they're nearly bottomimg out over small bumps. Counter-Intuitively adding air can make the ride smoother, since the pressure increases linearly as the fork compresses, adding air keeps you in the smoother initial travel region.
The seat tube size is really an issue….M frame only takes 150mm
Mind mentioning your filming rig?
This a bike that performs better on paper than it does on a trail.
Seat post insertion looks shocking?
I was I was actually going to sell my Orbea Rise M10 to get this because I actually had a ride on the dune in a car park but tbh I don’t think it’s much better than the Orbea has anyone else tried both ?
rob i need ur help i just boucht the canyon specral on cf8 with the new ep801 motor but it rattles like crazie wen i go on the smalest of things is it broken or is it normal bicus i broucht it to the dealer and he sed it is fine but my dad has the axact same bike and his is dead silint pls help me
nice duracell paintjob😂
thats one expensive crap bike...wow
9:07 hate this kind of trails.
whya re they so expensive, I think around £1k sufficient , look online cube, Haibike etc
Sintra ?
600 watts at 100 cadence
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Try not obsessing about super tall look at me handlebars and you might get the front end grip your missing
Sorry to say, but not with that battery 🔋 🙈 for that price!
any new bike with a chain/derailer is no go
Hey, how does it compare to the YT Decoy SN? I'm interested in both but unsure wich one to choose.
Sn for seat tube, rattle, visible motor, and torque curve
In many ways the dune is objectively bad imo (and I own one). On paper I would take the SN everyday.
However when looking at bikes I was unable to find any reassurance that the Fazua drive system is getting any more reliable. Many reporting multiple failures, long wait times for replacements, etc. When I tested a Heckler SL at a bike shop and the Fazua failed in the parking lot that was the nail in the coffin for me. That said it is possible to buy a spare system from Fazua to have in reserve if you really wanted. (Crazy idea but the peace of mind/minimizing downtime may be worth it)
Have enjoyed the spot?
Went on all known trails?
Sorry, but that "hard climb/though climb" is a no brainer and really don't use brain to climb that thing...
Next time you're here, I'll show you THOUGH/DIFFICULT climbs... that I doubt you or anyone will do with a castrated ebike
Mondraker Kenevo SL1.2
400wh battery 🤣
Nothing wrong what that. They’re trying to keep it under 20kg. That’s exactly how you do it
191cm 신장의 rob 에게도 불편한 시트튜브 스택 높이이면...... Mondraker는 도대체 무슨 생각으로 시트튜브를 저렇게 높에 만들어 놓은건가?? xc자전거냐?
That motor noise is crap!
Who wants that if you want to go out, ride and relax?
If ZF can do it then WHY CAN’T BOSCH who’ve been in the game for years
The ZF motor isn't quiet, just a bit different (like a turbine), do you mean TQ?
I'm not going to give 11.000euros and have to change the spring.
Jesus Christ,
Cant understand why anyone would buy an ebike only to have to spin franticaly like a maniac,,nah
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To my eyes, the bike lacks "flow". And it's the bike and definitely not Rob. He's an elite rider.