I am not ready to do so and I don't think I will ever be. I am almost 72 now and grew up in Dublin. The Nuns had a choice to share their frustrations in Society instead of taking out their frustrations on children and young people especially orphans and unmarried women. The depth of their evilness can not be forgiven. They have made a 'Holocaust' of the spirit of civilians and of God. This I say for my Mother and Father who where more spiritual than the whole lot of you put together including Priests who left their scars.
46:01 as an older Irish gay man, who is also a traditional Catholic, I have to agree with Sister’s comments here - it never ceases to amaze (and disgust) me how it was only the women of the Mother & Baby Homes and the Magdalene Laundries who were forced to carry the emotional load and guilt of what had been done to them by the men who made them pregnant, often by acts of rape and sexual assault before Marraige, where these men never faced any consequences for their actions nor ever took responsibility for same - I’d hazard a guess that the same system had effectively forced women from supposedly “good” Catholic homes regardless of suitability into religious life, because of the bishops being under pressure from political or other connections with families, the Irish State, the Irish church and from official Church teachings to place (unsuitable) women into positions of active ministry to vulnerable women, some of whom died while in the nuns care
I am left with deep sorrow for innocent people whose lives were destroyed by institutions and supported both by religious orders and the state. It strikes me that the religious have been left holding the baby, as it were, while the state now distances itself and demonizes them. Without excusing a single instance of cruelty, the work done by many of these sisters is inspirational. It is really is a case of acknowledging two truths.
I agree with you, no one talks about the great things the church and the religious did, only the bad. And the sad case is they are blown completely out of proportion for political gain
@@sjdwise9330as a conservative minded older Irish gay man who is also a traditional Catholic, I strongly believe that the only way out of our current situation is an immediate return to traditional Catholic teachings and traditions while also rejecting the heresy of Vatican II - the institutional structures of the Catholic Church have been riddled with corruption via infiltration since the early 19th century if not earlier, which has led to many abuses of power in subsequent decades, but we must also make a clear distinction between this and the Catholic faith itself, carefully examining even the traditional teachings of the Church from this standpoint, being careful to not “throw the baby out with the bath-water”
40:51 without doubt, the Catholic Church in Ireland was doing good work, providing support that the Irish state should have been providing - and without doubt, the Catholic Church needed to have strong control of every aspect of Irish society via and in partnership with the Irish state for the best interests of the Irish people, however equally so, the true political and other motivations of those in the Irish state and the leadership of the Irish Catholic Church needs to be closely examined, equally just as much as those who make potentially false, libellous and slanderous allegations against the Catholic Church for their own financial, political or other gains - some of these allegations have been found to largely be without foundation and have been hotly disputed - and even if some of these were not found to be “outright lies” it points to certain infiltrations from outside church or state that were specifically designed to discredit and undermine the moral and teaching Athority and power of the Catholic Church in Irish society that we are sorely in need of once again
I am not ready to do so and I don't think I will ever be. I am almost 72 now and grew up in Dublin. The Nuns had a choice to share their frustrations in Society instead of taking out their frustrations on children and young people especially orphans and unmarried women. The depth of their evilness can not be forgiven. They have made a 'Holocaust' of the spirit of civilians and of God. This I say for my Mother and Father who where more spiritual than the whole lot of you put together including Priests who left their scars.
46:01 as an older Irish gay man, who is also a traditional Catholic, I have to agree with Sister’s comments here - it never ceases to amaze (and disgust) me how it was only the women of the Mother & Baby Homes and the Magdalene Laundries who were forced to carry the emotional load and guilt of what had been done to them by the men who made them pregnant, often by acts of rape and sexual assault before Marraige, where these men never faced any consequences for their actions nor ever took responsibility for same - I’d hazard a guess that the same system had effectively forced women from supposedly “good” Catholic homes regardless of suitability into religious life, because of the bishops being under pressure from political or other connections with families, the Irish State, the Irish church and from official Church teachings to place (unsuitable) women into positions of active ministry to vulnerable women, some of whom died while in the nuns care
I am left with deep sorrow for innocent people whose lives were destroyed by institutions and supported both by religious orders and the state. It strikes me that the religious have been left holding the baby, as it were, while the state now distances itself and demonizes them. Without excusing a single instance of cruelty, the work done by many of these sisters is inspirational. It is really is a case of acknowledging two truths.
I agree with you, no one talks about the great things the church and the religious did, only the bad. And the sad case is they are blown completely out of proportion for political gain
@@sjdwise9330as a conservative minded older Irish gay man who is also a traditional Catholic, I strongly believe that the only way out of our current situation is an immediate return to traditional Catholic teachings and traditions while also rejecting the heresy of Vatican II - the institutional structures of the Catholic Church have been riddled with corruption via infiltration since the early 19th century if not earlier, which has led to many abuses of power in subsequent decades, but we must also make a clear distinction between this and the Catholic faith itself, carefully examining even the traditional teachings of the Church from this standpoint, being careful to not “throw the baby out with the bath-water”
40:51 without doubt, the Catholic Church in Ireland was doing good work, providing support that the Irish state should have been providing - and without doubt, the Catholic Church needed to have strong control of every aspect of Irish society via and in partnership with the Irish state for the best interests of the Irish people, however equally so, the true political and other motivations of those in the Irish state and the leadership of the Irish Catholic Church needs to be closely examined, equally just as much as those who make potentially false, libellous and slanderous allegations against the Catholic Church for their own financial, political or other gains - some of these allegations have been found to largely be without foundation and have been hotly disputed - and even if some of these were not found to be “outright lies” it points to certain infiltrations from outside church or state that were specifically designed to discredit and undermine the moral and teaching Athority and power of the Catholic Church in Irish society that we are sorely in need of once again