WILL IT RUN? FREE 2 CYCLE Robin Engine ground packer has been sitting for YEARS! Trash or Treasure?
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My name is Bre. I took two years of small engine repair at the local college. When I left school, I fell into a wonderful job at a local small engine shop where I worked the counter for a couple years. In 2011 my husband and I opened up our own small engine shop in central Arkansas where I am able to work alongside my family and best friends. We see over 2,000 pieces of equipment every year, and answer 1,000's of small engine questions. We specialize in brands such as Briggs and Stratton, Kohler, Echo and Shindaiwa, but work everyday on MANY other brands like Stihl, Husqvarna, Honda, Craftsman, Remington, Red Max, Troy Bilt, Scag, Bad Boy, Hustler, World Lawn, Poulan, Mantis, Etc.. Hopefully, my experience I share, will save you Time, Money and Frustration in the future!
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A lot of older carburetors have metal needles on brass seats and us older folks prefer them to the viton tipped ones as they don't tend to stick in the seat.
And if need be I have used superfine steel wool and cleaned up the brass seat if I ever had any trouble with them not sealing off like they're supposed to and they would go back to working just fine like you I prefer a metal needle in a brass seat over anything else it also makes some resistant to issues with alcohol
I've never had a problem with the metal tip needle and brass seat from my experience with them
That’s awesome! I am glad I dug into this carburetor to learn this! Thanks for watching!
Yup, an engine from the good old days when stuff was made to last! Those Robins are good engines!
Yah, I guess I'm old I've always seen them that way, never saw a rubber tipped one.
Many years ago, when I was forty, I was repairing engines that were fifty years old. I found many of the metal needles in the old carbs.
I'm a little surprised you've not seen an all metal float needle. I guess I'm getting old :)
It’s nice to see a tool that was taken care of once in awhile!!
Float not attached physically because of its use on vibration device
You little sweetie pie, you were made to do this, fixing and explaining, I love all your Video’s!
Your husband is a fortunate man!
Thank you so much!
I remember older carbs having metal tip needles. They worked OK.
That's one from the good old day's, when things were build to a standard and not a budget.
Back when engineers ran companies instead of cost accountants.
That engine was made in he Japan back in the days when shipping parts was more expensive. It was built with an eye towards quality control because when you factor the lower labour costs in 1980s japan VS higher shipping cost for parts it made economic sense to build a better engine.... Briggs and Stratton had a different way about things. They built a cheap engine that was so cheap anyone could buy one and quality and durability took a back seat to cheap and good enough. Now shipping is cheap and everything is built to a Briggs and stratton standard ( but they are still better at it than most when you do the math a Briggs is generally a better engine for the money ). Chinese clones of Honda engine start with a better design than Briggs but the tolerances are all over the place You might get a great clone and you might not. For a consumer grade product you want cheap enough and good enough and nothing more
If I'm not mistaken, Mikuni carbs were common on some motorcycles engines after WW2 and well into the 80's...
Nice seeing the old equipment. Great job once again young lady.
Nice work saving an old useful piece of equipment. I collect and restore old outboard motors. Wait until until you run across an old carb with a cork float that you have to re-make!
John Deere model B tractor ...
Cork float ..oh what fun..
And most "Lawnboy 2 cycle lawn mowers".
Old Johnson seahorse green td-20 outboard 5 hp--1946-49--good machine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A welder too you are a keeper lol
Watches, rings and dog tags on a chain were not allowed when working on fighter jets. Number 1 item on the check list. Every now and then even the old hands would need reminded. You’re still tops at what you do, and a pleasure to watch, young lady!!!
Spot on! Nice to see an old Wisconsin Robin engine back in action. Great video. It's been about 4 years since I've worked on one.
Yes there were metal to metal needle and seats.
Thats a good idea to check the oil in the gearbox/drive before starting up. This engine was built in an era of machines we are used to, and much was repairable and dependable. Imagine you are in the outback of Alaska, and your life depended on that chainsaw cutting wood for the fireplace. The old school machines would certainly win over current plastic ones.
The metal tips have been around since long, rubber tips only came around in the 1990's or so.
brass seat and metal tip needle is more common then you think I've seen it many times
Same. The first time I saw a rubber tipped needle I thought gunk was stuck on it.
I am a retired construction contractor. Where I am from we call those types of compactors " Jumping Jacks ". Their forte is that they can operate in confined places, such as trenches and such, where as a " Plate Compactor, or Walk Behind Compactor " is not conducive to operating in small, confined spaces.
Your what every man wants in life, Honey the mower won't start! Great video's!
How can anyone give our Chickie a thumbs down? Must be forever miserable!
I concur! 😆 Thanks Fred!
Brass is a soft metal also used for seals in pipe fittings
Awesome video. Just shows that properly maintained small engines can last a lifetime.
Awesome I’ve never seen a carburetor quite like that one awesome video as always!
In 1972 Allis Chalmers Garden Tractors had a manually adjustable speed control which required adjusting of the linkage and belt retention fingers while it was running. I learned a painful lesson when something caught my wedding ring and almost forced my finger into a belt retainer which could easily have amputated it. My wife took a while to get used to my not wearing the ring but so goes life.
Thanks for showing that old engine cause I love seeing those old 2 cycle ones and how everything on them is simple and yet still reliable. Like you, I have never seen a float that literally just "floats" around. That video was just awesome to me. Thanks again.
I just rebuilt a carb on my 1986 Mercury 2stroke 9.9hp outboard. The rubber needle distengrated and I ordered the new oem part, they said the needle had been replaced by an all metal needle. I installed, and she runs great!!
You are always a pleasure to watch because you can fix anything 🤘🙌🖤💯
Amazing you got it to start after two pulls 👍
I think she’s proof that Women make great Small engine mechanics …
This was exciting to watch.
I have to agree in that i have never seen a metal needle to a metal seat - usually one has rubber. However I sometimes test a carburetor needle by attaching a fuel line to the carburetor and small reservoir (i.e. funnel, tank, ...) to the other end of the fuel line and then check to see if the carburetor actually shuts off the fuel. Great video!!!
Now your telling everyone how young you are. The old carbs do have metal needle valves and brass seats. They worked perfectly are rarely got gummed up. Had a Robin engine on a low boy trailer to haul equipment on,, it lasted for ever. Actually the trailer rusted out before the engine quit. And btw, I'd put that beautiful ring in a safe place while working on those dirty nasty small engines. 👍👍
That's the cleanest 2 stroke carburetor i've seen in the last 2 years
Cool! Vintage!
Robin is good stuff!
Oh nice a ole jumping jack looks like the EC10 Wisconsin Robin, that's a treasure anywhere from 700 & up in value, older they are more value. Beautiful score, jumping jack has potential. Odds is you could go through it & check & more than likely will start right up. Good luck
Nice machine young lady, I like those two stroke engines they’re so simple and lightweight to use. Thanks for posting.
Love the old stuff still cut my grass with a 79' Toro Rotary mower.
Wow she’s a CHICKANIC, welder attractive and well spoken, I’m sold!!!😂☮✌🏻
That's absolutely badass you fix, and you weld,, cool oldie but a goodie too. Glad to see another one you fix not go into landfill junk pile. Love all your videos, I'm from Springdale.
Good job!!! You go girl!!
I used one just like it for years! And hello neighbor! I'm in Shreveport.
Q tip with auto polishing compound will clean needle seat. To help seal. A lot of older stuff ran metal to metal needle/seat.
I agree , I am more used to seeing the all metal float needles . What a relic . No wonder the carb cost that much . Robin I think merged with Wisconsin. I remember seeing Robin-Wisconsin Engines.Well built unit.
Good Job Chick ...
I really enjoy your videos and i have been watching for some time ...
I think you are one smart chick and you know your stuff ...but ...
Sometimes you just need to add fuel , pull the rip-cord and run with it ! LOL
I was totally dumbfounded that you have never came across a metal needle and a brass seat .......
I have been turning wrenches for over 25 years and before fuel injection thats all there was in the automotive field when you are overhauling a carb.....
Keep up the good work Chick !!!!
Oh and i am not ready for the cold weather yet either and i live in NJ ..... Oh well !!
This is how the Jacobsen engines are too. It had a brass seat and a steel needle. They seat together well.
Nice quick project! Done a few of the metal float pins, never has a leaky one.
Awesome old 2 stroke
Without exception the mikunis and others on motorcycle carbs I worked on from seventy and eighties all had steel to brass. Worked great .
May be an older style carb, might have to do with the fact that it’s a” jumping jack “.
Like most snowblowers don’t have air filters.
That’s a tough machine, I’m glad it made it to the right place.
I sure appreciate your videos, thank you!
Your videos are exciting in each detail, thank you so much 👌👌
Thanks for watching Thomas!
We used to have 2 cycle or 2 Stroke Australian made Victa lawnmowers here, very simple and easy to work on. Sometimes could be temperamental. 🙂🚜🐻 Love your work.
Great video Brie, thank you for sharing and showing your thought process 👍🏻
Thanks for watching!!
Life is great, we learn new stuff everyday. Customer stored that engine properly.. drained fuel and ran carb dry. Customer knew the resale value is high and did it because he/she wanted to help your bottom line. AKA good shops with good people should be supported. Metal ned/seats are found in many applications.. must be machined to very exacting tolerances. Soft tip N/S can be less so. Metal to metal n/s can be found in Yamaha Enduro mikunis, older Rochesters and as far back as Ford Model A gravity fed carbs. I'm guessing the donut float and spring loaded needle are needed due to the violent 'jumping jack' action of the machine. It no doubt eliminates the bending of a conventional fulcrum mounted float hanger. Thus no float setting at a fulcrum point to go astray. Also: Japanese quality control on their commercial applications is second to none.
Have not watched, but my money is on the Robin running.
I had one of these Robin engined "elephants foot" compactors. Some call it a trench compactor. It was a brilliant machine in the short time I had it. Always, without fail, it started first time. I wish I still had it, but.. someone offered me £360 for it when I had only paid £80.
I have a few of those engines. They are built very well
Love your channel. Your down to earth personally is so refreshing. Keep up the great work. We in Texas still love our Arkansas cousins.
Thanks neighbor!!
Resemble all of that! From Bauxite AR
I'm running a new 4 stroke, 404 CC, Subaru Robin engine (14HP) on my 1949 Cushman motor scooter. With the electric start and Comet torque converter it's a perfect match. Very quick off the line with a good top end of around 60 MPH, I didn't try to take it faster than that!
Back in the day they had steel needles and brass seats. It was called pression milling.
I am in the habit of opening ANY VALVE...then backing off 1 click. Old Steam Engine Days on merchant Marines Ships. Steam Valve would have metal expand due to the heat of the steam ( Over 750f degrees) and Sea Chest/water valve would corrode. Expanded valves would JAM and corroded valves would get stuck in position. A partially opened valve would allow one to ROCK open/close a valve to free up the valve stem or prevent jammed shut bending damage. Some of the valve had corrosive fluids that caused other problems too. So I never fully open a valve.
I just knew it would run I have a Robin hedge trimmer a good few years no matter how long I leave it starts first pull.every time great engine just broke a tooth in blade no parts in Ireland have to look elsewhere 😞 like your videos take care.
Great job!!!!
I spent some time with those tampers, worked pretty good !!!
If it’s free , it’s a treasure . Good video !!!
Good video! I don't know about 50:1 oil/gas ratio though. memory indicates it took more oil than that.
I would have thought so too, but I found the owners manual. Thanks for watching!
If it’s got a tunable type of carb (not all are) then you can run any ratio that you want.
It is 50:1 for sure , I have one of these for trench re-instatement if you put too much oil in it will whisker the plug and it will run like a one legged dog.
It is called a Vitonic tip. It is a rubber coating that helps to seal the needle when it is closed. After running for a while the vitonic coating will wear off and then it is metal to metal in the needle seat.
It takes hydraulic fluid for the yellow cylinder the make the tamper work
Thanks for the video. Very interesting content. I thought it might be older than thirty years.
I was literally heading out the door to work but had to wait to hear it run lol .that float system is different, great video chickanic.
Thanks again for watching Mike!!
Always enjoyable 😉
As so many have said, the steel and brass needle and seat have been around. I have never seen a free float before!
Great Job....
In Australia we call them Wakka Packers well slang anyways
Metal to metal is right, your just not old enough to have seen one😀
I was shocked, but now I know! Thanks for watching!
Nice rock there Chickanic, Dude did good!!! :)
And yes, another great video.
There are some carbs that have metal tipped needles with brass seats. It's the old school way they did them.
That is the way the needle valves used to be, all metal and and the seats were brass. They work great and last a long time. Put it back together and go.
Brass seat and metal needle basically last about forever much rather love to have one of them than ones with either a rubber seat or the rubber tip needles the alcohol eat some up brass seat and metal needle is infected by the alcohol
Back in the 70s the SU carb on my Morris had a metal tipped float needle, it wore and wouldn't seal, it's replacement had a hard rubber end.
i have a robin leaf blower i pulled outta the trash, didnt know this product was used by anyone anywhere anymore
Great video
Chick, such a beautiful machine the older the better.....🚜🚜🚜🚜🚜
You got that right!
Nice video
its works... this time too..👍👍👍
we call those things jumping jacks. cuz hey jack you'll be jumping around long after you shut it off!!!
older cars used steel seats with brass needles or steel needles with brass seats. there was actually a burnishing tool set to recondition them. never a problem.
that float was designed that way due to vibration and is also the reason for the needle/seat combination.
the gearboxes on the old ones were either strait 50 wt non detergent or 90 wt. in the winter we'd put in 30 wt.
glad to see you put a screen type filter on. the paper type if the media is polyester will work but if its actual paper media the two stroke oil will plug it up.
we had snow on the ground yesterday so i better get to fixin the heat in here stay warm!
To show how old I am, I though they were still metal! Never took a modern one out!
I wish they were all that easy for those of us that work on stuff
A lot of marine engines old ones that is have metal to brass needles, they where nice because you can just lap them in if they leak.
It's to pretty to get dirty or worse yet damaged. As always great video. 🙂
gotta love a woman who gets excited yet is calm as a cucumber 👍👍
you manually seat carb needle... drop the needle onto the seat. put a small punch on the end of needle... strike punch with a screw driver handle lightly.. only once and the seat should be formed... test and confirm. We did not have neoprene needle in the old days.........jim in florida
Nice video chickanic always believed the needle sat on o ring learnt summit mew cheers
The old needles were either brass or steel no rubber tip.
I love free! I kinda expected dust to fall out when you took the fuel line off. (that's a very cool float setup, wonder why it isn't used more often?)
I think I would have checked for spark when the engine was apart, but as it turns out it was good.
EZGO (and maybe Yamaha) golf carts from the mid 1980’s used 2 cycle Robin engines- with similar carb setups. Fun fact - they didn’t need reverse gear, just ran the engine backwards!
Had a two stroke Johnson outboard that was like that. You started it the direction you wanted to go. The starter had two bendix drives on the shaft. which direction you started it in determined which bendix would engage.
Machine rescue!! Woohoo 🥳🎉
Great Video Loved it that's the kind of stuff I could work on it's amazing how clean it was just keep on keeping on 👍🤠🍑
Thanks for watching James!
Good job i like your videos
if you have not seen a carburetor like that before you must be under 65 . they were common in the sixties
Yup! I am only 41. It was a first for me, but glad I learned about it!
That's age-ist...I'm well under 65 and learned about metal needle to brass seat long before I saw my first rubber tipped needle or rubber seat. You don't have to be old to work on old stuff or experience old technology.
@@killer2600 yes ,sorry i am just surprised she had not seen one though as you say they are not common anymore.
Motorcycle carburetors have metal,tip needles in brass seats.
Hiiii!!!!
below 55 we Floridians get out our mukluks and parkas.
This has turned out to be a good week. A Mustie1 video yesterday and Bre with some classic two stroke action today.