Mariolatry Supported by Satanic Subtlety
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2023
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I stopped listening to Sam when he attacked people personally because they didn’t agree with his stance on Mary.
Oh. And thank you for addressing this. “Mariolatry” is a great descriptor.
I stopped listening to Sam when he prayed to mary and tried saying infant baptism was biblical. I knew he was bound to fall off his rocker but wow! Didn’t know he’d break the whole thing.
@@temporaryaccount5307Anthony believes infant baptism is biblical.
I stopped listening to Sam when he attacked people personally. Full stop. Espcially those in need of salvation.
@@temporaryaccount5307it is related to the old testament ritual because as the old testament clearly says multiple times to teach and guide the children as parents to follow and obey God until they reach a certain age where they would decide their way of life. And as parent it is their responsibility to teach their children about God. So a small kid is taken into the LORD's hands by the permission of their parents as the kid cannot decide for his or herself so the parents give their child to God who will guide him till death. This is why small children are given baptism in many parts of the world. If you attack something blindly because you are related to some organisation then you will make mistake and say millions are wrong for baptising child when they are young.
@@majormohitsharma7701 there’s no OT ritual of infant baptism lol. Proverbs says train up a child in the way he should go and he will not depart from it. Where’s the ritual and where’s the baptism? Children, particularly infants, are already protected as until a certain age not responsible. Are u really suggesting that children who weren’t baptized will go to hell?
It's what I also think when I hear catholics use that argument that they sound like muslims.
Thank you Anthony once again, so well articulated, you are truly blessed with incredible knowledge and wisdom, please continue to faithfully minister the word of life to those who need it!
Our friend Sam has resorted to taking a page out of the muslim "low tier argument" play book in defense of his mariolatry. He tried to justify worshipping Mary in his debate with Kelly powers by responding "where in the scriptures is the word Trinity mentioned," when Kelly asked him to show, from the scriptures, where his mariolatry can be found. I was suprised at Sam's poor response. Sam should know better. The difference is that all of the components of the trinity are in the scriptures. We can infer from scripture, without a shadow of a doubt, that God is triune. But there is no way one can infer from scripture that mary was a perpetual virgin, acts as an intercessor, should be prayed to, was sinless, or anything else the apostate Church of Rome teaches. Terribly weak argument from Sam
If Mary is not identical to God by nature, then praying to her, worshiping her and offering sacrifices to her asking her for forgiveness and claiming that she has in possession the names and attributes of God, this is text-book polytheism. If she is God, but she is not given the worship that is for God alone, then this is a denial of her divinity, and will lead to the hellfire. Unquestionably, this theological issue is of exceptional importance, who do we worship and who is the true God, and what should we believe in reference to Him, and what are the evidences for the true theology of the God of Israel.
Anyways help me out: In Deuteronomy 6:4 who is the LORD/God, is it referring to Jesus, the Father, the Spirit or *all three persons of the Trinity?* How do you interpret it? And what is the criteria for your interpretation of that text whatever answer you give?
I know it's impossible for you to imagine Joseph had control of his sex drive and needed to hit that
@@James224-ds8nv : .. God The Father/Abba, God The Word/Son, & God The Holy Spirit/Redeemer- Are NEVER Referred to as Separate Beings In The Holy Bible. INSTEAD They are ALWAYS Recognized as ONE God, YES 3 Separate Persons Encompass ONE ALMIGHTY Being The Jews of Old & We Born Again Bible Believers Today Recognize as God Almighty ‼️
@@James224-ds8nv I'm sorry but this a dumb objection, or whatever it is. I've seen you around here. You pose terribly low tier arguments and get refuted left and right, demonstrate terrible hermeneutics and biblical illiteracy. I have no incentive to engage with you. I'll leave this here and go about my business because you clearly do not have all your paws in the litter box.
Try to understand what Christians believe PRIOR to putting forth stupid arguments/objections.
Matthew 22:41-46 NKJV
While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?” They said to Him, “The Son of David.” He said to them, “How then does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying: ‘The LORD said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool” ’? If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his Son?” And no one was able to answer Him a word, nor from that day on did anyone dare question Him anymore.
Jesus schooled the Pharisees, who, due to their blindness and self-righteousness, were ignorant regarding spritual matters; that messiah was standing before them, the One who has existed from all eternity:
Revelation 22:16 NKJV
“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”
Jesus is the offspring of David according to the flesh; but Jesus is also the root of David in that, being God, He created David. All things were made through Jesus Christ.
All things were created by Him (John 1:1; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:1-11). He upholds all things by the word of His power (See the Carmen Christi in Philippians 2:5-11, one of the earliest hymns that taught the deity of Christ). I can go on.
The Father is called God.
The Son is called God. (Titus 2:11-14; 1 Peter 1:1; Acts 20:28; 1 Timothy 3:16, etc)
The Holy Spirit (referred to as "He" not "it") is called God (Acts 5:3-4).
You're a mess.
I am a protestant. I love Mary the Mother of Jesus and I am forever grateful for all the pain she'd been through. I think that it is the cringe titles given to her that make protestants just want to stay away from her.
I like Sam's refutation of Muslims but when he starts talking about Marry his teachings become unbiblical. Sadly the popularity he has from refuting Muslims is used to preach his Mariolatry. So I really appreciate you making these videos refuting Sam. May you please continue to refute Sam on this subject so that Christians new and old are not lead away from the sufficiency of our Lord Jesus Christ. Your work is greatly appreciated Anthony. God Bless You!
We disagree with Mariolatry with one consent! She was a vessel God used for his purpose. And when she is dead along with other saints, we do not pray to any one of them. Yes we do ask prayers from living people but we should not ask any body is dead which is Deuteronomy 18 Nacromacy. She is NOT God or Goddess! Not Queen of heaven That is the title of Satan which is described in Book of Jeremiah!
Yeah, the whole Queen of Heaven thing is pretty sus
@@barbwellman6686 Why are you lying? even you talk to them when they are dead are Nacromancy Witch crafts and predict the future is one part of it but that is everything Ok?
I know you are so stubborn in your thoughts that you cannot let go of talking to Mary. Show me any verse that says that says, you can pray to dead person. I am waiting for your answer.
The catholic explanation is > Necromancy is a special mode of divination by the evocation of the dead.
@@barbwellman6686 No my friend I am talking about the talking to dead people and according to your Catholic definiton when you pray to Mary, you are invoking her in your payers Correct? but that is against out OT Law of Moses Correct?
@@barbwellman6686 My friend, I know how Catholic pray to Mary by kneeling in front of her stattue and pray to her to ask Jesus but why? Is not Mary dead? Jesus alredy open the door to pray to the Father in his name Correct?
@@barbwellman6686 Listen everybody knows when your soul leave your body, your flesh is dead but question is why do you pray to Mary all your life?
Jesus had a whole bunch of mortal human half-siblings, brothers and sisters (mentioned in the new testament), with his legal mortal human dad, Joseph, and his human mortal birth-mom, Mary, wife of Joseph
why Jesus is asking apostles to care for his mother you know ?
@@pankaja7974Are you an RC? To answer your question as to why Jesus entrusted Mary to John, its because his brothers didn’t believe in him (John 7). Furthermore, there is no indication they were present during the crucifixion.
@@coolmuso6108 so Jesus' brothers did not believe in him all the time until their death? or just that time before his resurrection ?
@@coolmuso6108The context from John 6 is Jesus doing Miracles. Nothing in the context seems to indicate John took care of Mary because his brother did not believe in him. Can you provide the verses?
@@maliktv4768maybe read John 7
Well, this was a nice little 💣!! Let’s hope and pray that people will turn from their idolatry and worship of the creation, and fix their eyes on Christ alone! Thanks Anthony! 🙏🏾
If Mary knew what was happening on earth, she would be ashamed of these folks!
@@barbwellman6686 Scripture please! How do you know all these things she is supposed to be doing?
@@barbwellman6686 No Scripture? That's what I thought. You do know that the devil goes around like an angel of Light. You mentioned Moses, yes Jesus was there not Mary. Why do guys insist on making Mary more than she was? Remember if she shows up take a picture that might help. I will stick to Jesus and him Crucified! He is the Only intercessor I need! I will only Bow My knee to God!
@@samuelflores1419based on your comment of bowing down only to God. Do Jews have to reject the commands in Revelation 3:9? If you were a jew would you reject it?
She does know, and she is ashamed, if she died saved.
Jews don't adhere to the Revelation passage as they won't touch the New Testament as it involves Jesus.
I followed Sam's content for some time. His idolatrous love for Mary clearly stems from his own childhood and unsolved problems he carries with him. Oh, and how do I know that? He said those things himself, live on stream.
Would that be the need for approval,
or the fear of rejection ?
Or both ?
I guess we all have such baggage to some degree.
If we do,
we should all the more reason
turn to JESUS for our healing..
We listen ot everybody If it agrees with out Bible and scripture you follow but something is against it Discard it in garbage!
this goes with others like Christian Prince and Lloyd De Jongh etc but we don't follow them We follow Jesus Christ They will be answering to the Lord for their believe and statements that made some soul not to the see the Truth!
God bless them all!
@@childofgod4862Everyone believes they follow the bible. Some believe in Calvinism, easy belivism, open theism, provisionism, Armenianism etc. And they all contradict each other.
@@maliktv4768 Who cares about them all? just worry for yourself You being a Muslim how many sects you have? Sunni Shiya, Wahabi, Sufi Ahmadia, etc Did you know Mhmd said > “Out of 73 sects of Islam, only one will go to heaven rest will go to hell”>
So which one will go to heaven If you read your Quran it says sura 19:71 NONE BUT ALL OF YOU WILL ENTER IT (Hellfire) and that is the decree of your lord
So think about yourself now! You will be in the Hellfire Some people believe some times some people long time but your prophet forgot tell you, that there is NO Windows and NO Doors in the hellfire
@@maliktv4768 Which shows that Sola Scriptura, with the definition of the sole infallible rule of doctrine and authority can never be true.
Sam is just not as smart. Exegetically, PVM cannot be deduced from scripture.
That's it. Argument finished.
Godbless You Brother Anthony GodbeWithYou Always and GodSpeed
The bible is clear Jesus had brothers and sisters, so I don't even understand why someone would believe that we would fall for this bizarre reasoning.
Because these Traditions were devised back when the common man couldn't read the bible to verify what was being taught. Now that we can and we know they're false, they just have to double down of them anyway out of fear of rejection.
Wrong it means kinsman and could be cousin or step siblings.
@@charleshill2121 You're using the same flawed "the word could mean this or that" argument that means nothing in light of how language works. The context of the NT reveals that Mary had sex with Joseph after Yeshua was born (they knew one another after he was born) and had other kids. That clearly does not refer to a generic "kinsmen".
@@charleshill2121could, it could, bit it probably doesn't
@@shroomitechromee why did Mary need a home with John if she had may children of her own? Sons and Daughters but non to take her in? Joseph's children from a previous marriage or close cousins would have no such obligation. If they were Josephs from a previous marriage they would be older than Jesus. When we meet them in scripture they are trying to control Jesus which makes sense in 1st century Jewish culture. Younger siblings doing so would be very odd. James the brother/kinsman of Jesus first Bishop of Jerusalem. Why would he not take his own mother in?
Thank you brother!!!!
Catholic mentality is that since Jesus is God, His mother must be highly regarded as almost as Devine level. Mary is a vessel God used for his purpose. She is a 100%human being, so We should respect her just as human level.
Amen, brother. You have hit the nail on the head. Some people constantly use cultic tactics to "justify" what they believe. It was great working with you on Kelly's channel, and hopefully we can work together on my channel.
Great seeing you here on this video, brother. I disagree with your position, but that's fine. None of us are perfect in our theology, surely not on this side of glory. God bless and take care.
Almost every single Catholic Argument fails because it could be used to argue against Christianity in general if applied consistently
LORD BLESS YOU ANTHONY ROGERS, GLORY TO THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT.
Don’t forget Mary 🙃🙃🙃😂
😂@@DuckMcDuckinson
I got nothing against Roman Catholics, I believe many are true believers and don't necessarily agree with every doctrine.
The veneration of Mary has always been a little weird to me. While they say they venerate Mary, sometimes it legitimately looks like straight up worship. I've heard from others that priests (some) do in fact say that they should worship Mary (not all of course).
We all believe that Mary was a virgin when she conceived Jesus. But after that I don't see any issues of her having other kids with Joseph, they were married. They make it seem like Mary not being a perpetual virgin is some sort of blasphemy. There is nothing wrong with sex within a life long relationship (marriage), it is a gift of God. There is nothing wrong with Mary having other children, as the evidence points to.
I've heard Sam say that Mary is Jesus's most beautiful creation, and he also said that Mary is the Queen of angels. I couldn't believe it lol.
I've also heard that they believe that Mary was sinless, which of courses that convinced me of them having faulty doctrine.
The way RC Venerate Mary to me is like how Islam Venerates Muhammad by them saying his name means "Praise worthy."
@hopelove897 : That's just it, ACCORDING to God's Word NOTHING Can- NOR Should it be Taught, Especially as A Doctrine- UNLESS it's CLEARLY WRITTEN 2-3 Times In Scripture, as that's Righteous Judgement WITH Witnesses !! The Only Way God can keep us Safe is if We Stick To His Word ALREADY written, & Under His Wings. If we so Choose to follow other SINFUL Men (as Sam), then it's Our Own Fault as God Warned US to Only KEEP WHAT Is Good by Double Checking Scripture, Including The Traditions Already Written for us IN SCRIPTURE..
Yes, We all love & Pray for Sam. Yes we KNOW The Devil is kicking him hard & taking all of his Rewards he's built up for himself prior to his fall ! But all we can do is Continue To Pray For him as he refuses to listen to Anyone, Sadly including The Scripture itself now that he literally Knows but is adding to it on account of Ignorance !!
If it walks, sounds, eats, looks like a duck but you call it a chicken, it's still a duck.
do you know of any sin that mary committed ?
@@pankaja7974 Romans 3 all fall short | And Mary said: “My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior" - Luke 1:46 She say it herself
Spot on!
Nailed it
Sam clearly has mommy issues and is double minded making him unstable in all of his ways
Amen Anthony, you put it very nicely. You hit the nail right on the head!
The whole point of the incarnation was condescension to our level. Any argument that insists on artificial barriers that insulate Christ from the humiliation that is entailed by the incarnation are actually robbing Christ of the glory that He deserves by limiting the sacrifice He was willing to make.
@@barbwellman6686 if someone claimed that Christ could not possibly have eaten with tax collectors, because that would be contrary to His divine dignity, then that person would rob Christ of His glory, because in attempting to safeguard Christ's glory, they limit His condescension, yet the extent of His condescension directly translates to the extent of His glory.The argument that: "Christ could not have had maternal siblings, because how could a regular human share a womb with Christ" falls short for the same reason.
Regardless of what you believe about Mary, it should not be that difficult to admit that the argument that Anthony and I are responding to is a bad argument. Even if you believe Christ did not have maternal siblings, you should still be able to agree that this is not because it would be too humiliating for someone else to share a womb with Christ, because the whole point of the incarnation was to humiliate Himself to get to our level.
@@barbwellman6686 Contextually the woman mentioned in Genesis 3:15 is Eve, since she is also called the woman in verse 13 and 16 and throughout the narrative.
Just like the serpent that is being spoken of is not another future serpent that is being prophesied but the same serpent that the narrative was speaking of all along, so the woman that is being spoken of is not a future woman, but the same woman that the narrative was speaking of all along. Only the seed is not yet present and first introduced here, and hence is prophesied.
Your interpretation of genesis 3:15 is eisegesis. You should know better than to wrest the scriptures to favor your preferred doctrines. If you want to believe something about Mary, that's fine with me, but Genesis 3:15 is not about Mary at all.
@@barbwellman6686 With regards to Luke 1:26-28, the phrase full of grace is not actually in the original Greek. That phrase is derived from either a mistranslation or insertion in the Latin Vulgate. But even if it was there in the original Greek, you cannot derive anything exclusive to Mary from this phrase as it is also used of Stephen (see Acts 6:8). Hence any meaning contained in the phrase full of Grace should apply equally to Stephen as it does to Mary.
Again, this is not a good argument to support the immaculate conception or other Roman or Eastern doctrines about Mary... it's fine if you want to believe stuff about Mary, but this is simply not a verse that supports those beliefs. Maybe you have another way to support your belief, but to read it into this verse is Eisegesis.
@@barbwellman6686 It's the most plausible explanation of the Biblical data. Before Jesus' birth there is no mention of siblings, after Jesus' birth now we see siblings. Married people do married things and the marriage bed is undefiled.
@@barbwellman6686 So you agree that the Bible does not describe Mary as full of grace, rather it calls Mary the recipient of grace/favor. Good. We are making progress.
What is the grace that she has found (see verse 30)? Simply by looking at the context we can deduce that this grace is being selected to become the mother of the Messiah. She had been selected prior to the angel making the announcement, which is why it's past perfect tense.
Also titular use of an adjective/adverb/noun/verb does not mean that this identity is permanent nor does it mean that this identity was present from birth. Those are all assumptions that you have to smuggle in because you already believe certain things about Mary that you are now attempting to eisegete Scripture to support. (e.g. if i address you as: "Favored man, you will win the next lottery" , that does not give you some special permanent ontological status from birth and does not imply anything other than that you are favored because you will win the lottery. It does not mean that you are now free from original sin.)
So it's an identity conditioned on a past action of bestowing grace, and the grace that has been bestowed is God selecting her to become the mother of the Messiah. That is all that you can prove from the text. anything more than that relies on unproven assumptions that you bring to scripture from elsewhere.
Jesus also condescend and inhabited earth! Surely no one could possibly have inhabited the earth after that!
You're right, Anthony.
That argument is pretty islamic in essence.
"How can", it goes...
@patriceagulu8315
I figured it out from the scriptures before I have even heard of 'protestants'.
So why the pivoting.
I cannot belive that my first teacher of trinity Sam became talking nonsence about godly women Mary...
The Psalms talk so much about God's blessing of children and that's one of the examples that people are blessed by God. Why would Marry not have children with her husband. The Bible also talks about withdrawal from relations in marriage as sin.
Hi Anthony! May you one day address the claim made by Jews and Unitarians that “the” Angel of the LORD is actually supposed to be translated as “a” Angel of the LORD?
I’ve heard that claim been made too
Unless they’re willing to admit that “a angel of the lord” forgives as God says in Exo 23:21, they have no argument.
“Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”
So angels now forgive sins? Only in Islam.
Now who’s Name is “given among men whereby we must saved” (acts 4:12)?
Then u have Psalms 138:2
“I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.”
Who’s the Word?
I can go for days.
@@temporaryaccount5307 They’d usually reply by saying that the proper rendering of the Hebrew is supposed to be “a/an” angel instead of “the” angel. They’d argue that God has a bunch of angels that He may send at different times to occupy the role and that God uses these angels as “proxies” . This would explain why they “speak in His Name”. They’d use other comparative religious texts from the ANE to show that the deity in ANE texts had messengers that would speak in the name of the deity but the messengers themselves weren’t the deity.
@@lukadasilva7050 all of which doesn’t explain or answer Exo 23:21, among others.
Wether He’s called “the” or “a” it doesn’t change the fact that throughout the Old Testament there’s clear evidence this specific Angel is worshipped and called God. That’s a bad argument from the Unitarians
Would it not be sinful for Marry to disobey command of God and keep herself from Joseph?
Yes (1 Corinthians 7:1-5).
@@barbwellman6686 after Christ. That's what I meant.
@@edjo3430why marry if you are never going to fullfill the marriage
Technically speaking, Numbers 30 does imply that the husband could consent to his wife keeping whatever vow she had before marriage.
…that being said, it’s still circumstantial, and it’s bizarre to see how many people attach theological implications to Mary being a perpetual virgin.
Mary and Joseph were married
#notjusthousemates
Yup
The old "it would be fitting" argument.
Matthew 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
Jesus have her another son(s) at the cross, didn’t He?
Amen
How could the Lord inhabit a world with sinners in it, or abide in the heart of those previously spiritually dead! Must we then conclude the doctrine of perpetual virginity is flowing from the rejection of Christ's deity?
So its them denying the incarnation instead.
Romanists like to pull Old Testament objects and claim it is a type of Mary, so I'll do the same. Since the fiery furnace held the Son of God inside with 3 others, the fiery furnace is not only a type of Mary, but proves Jesus had siblings!
sounds legit :D
@@Norbingel that's a nonsense analogy...really surprised that got love from Anthony
@@robertanderson866 consistent with the quality of typology to justify Mariolatry
@robertanderson866 Nothing gets by you, it's supposed to be nonsense.
@patriceagulu8315 1)Give me a quote where Calvin said "it is heresy to not believe in the Perpetual Virginity of Mary." Calvin believed in the PVM, but you'll need to prove he thought it heretical to believe otherwise. 2)Even if such quotes exist, Calvin and Luther are not infallible, they are not my Pope, my conscience is captive to the word of God.
good content brother
Why did anthony and sam fall out? What happened??
I'm absolutely sure Mr Sam Shamoun is losing his mind a bit. When I'm sick, I go to the doctor and not the mother. I can't recommend him anymore as a good teacher of Christ.
This is true
CALL NO MAN TEACHER, FOR YOU HAVE ONE TEACHER, THE CHRIST
Wow, that really is a bad argument, pray for Sam...
Facts!
We Definitely Need To Pray For Our Brother Sam🙏🏾
You need to pray that he will believe the true gospel and become a brother and bring forth the fruit of it in his life.
@patriceagulu8315he without sin cast the first stone
What is the general catholic argument(s) to support Mary always remaining a virgin? Why didn't Joseph ever have relations with his own wife? Was Mary believed to have been divinely commanded to never have sexual relations even in marriage?
@patriceagulu8315 I am not a protestant. I am just someone trying to study the Bible as best I can at this point in time. And part of this is going over the various doctrines it seems to teach and those that appear to be unique to certain denominations. I don't know all too much about Luthor or Calvin very much. I do not hate Catholics or anything like that, I just have a lot of trouble with certain things they teach, primarily those related to Mary, the Papacy and the authority of the Church. These I find to be very complex topics and me getting answers to my questions, I believe, brings me closer to the truth of the Bible. :)
@@benjamint8073he problem is the bible never teaches the Bible alone. Acts 15 we have a council. During the apostolic era, we have council and scripture as authorities. Where in the Bible do you get that we need a shift in paradigm to the bible alone or sola scriptura after the apostolic era?
@@benjamint8073The bible says the church is the pillar and foundation of truth.
@@maliktv4768 Respectfully, my question was primarily asking what the arguments/reasons are for Mary staying a virgin for the rest of her life. Or if someone could give me at least the general Catholic responses to my questions which I would imagine are very typical questions regarding Mary's perpetual virginity. I am pretty open minded, maybe I will consider the responses valid and maybe one day accept the Marian doctrines. I did not mention nor argue for sola scriptura nor Bible alone and I am not a protestant even if I may currently have views that match theirs more than Catholics. You did however give me something to think about my authority of the church question though so thank you for that. :) ml
@@benjamint8073 what do you view as authoritative?
The Catholics also think that Mary, because she bore Jesus, is the Ark of the Covenant, as the Ark carried the tablets on which the Ten Commandments were written. Jesus never compared Himself to the Ark. If people touched the Ark, except for the Levitical priests, they were struck dead. Jesus touched many people. He raised the dead, and made no one dead, not even the woman who touched the hem of His garment and was healed of the issue of blood. He healed even the blind, He touched lepers and was not made “unclean” by touching them. It is never recorded in scripture that Jesus performed the required cleansing rituals after touching the dead. Nor did He need to be ritually cleansed because it was a woman who anointed His feet and washed His feet with her tears.
Why was it needful to Catholics to make Mary “sinless”. If she was a normal woman, then people would assume that the men are the ones who carry the sin nature in their sperm, as the eggs of women in general are free of this sin nature, if Mary was not sinless herself. Men from Adam to today, look at women as the reason we have a fallen world. So it must be women whose eggs are perverse and tainted, while men, who are the image of God, are not tainted in their sperm. It is a stupid argument. As Jesus was never contaminated by touching lepers or the dead or infirm, He was still the Mighty God and not contaminated in the least bit to be our perfect sacrifice for sin.
The Catholics focus on “Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with you”, and see “Grace” not as what it also means, “the favor of God” to mean “preserved from Original Sin”. Immaculate Conception was not how Jesus was conceived but it refers to Mary’s own birth. So to be able to have a baby without sin, the mother of that child and so on and so forth to the dawn of time, had to be immaculately conceived??? So did Eve have a daughter before she sinned? It is a big theological problem for Catholics. If one thinks, that is likely one of the anathemas hurled at Protestants, or logically must be, and this genealogy of immaculate woman has been lost to us. If it was in the Apocrypha, surely the Catholics would use that.
Many of the Church Fathers did not think very highly of women, but felt that women in general were vile in both body and spirit. Considering such, it was impossible for any woman to give birth to Messiah as woman were in general, just this side of qualifying as human feces. Therefore Mary had to be not only virginal, but free from sin, that way, her egg that was used for conception would not pass the sin nature to Jesus.
Instead of seeing the miraculous nature as being in Jesus, who could touch and clean lepers and give sight to the blind and raise the dead, feed the 4,000 and 5,000, raise Himself from the dead, as our ONE MEDIATOR between God and mankind, the Catholics make Mary co-Mediatrix of all Graces. Catholics are to go through Mary (in other words pray to Mary as any human being is too unclean to pray directly to Jesus) they ignore that Jesus told His disciples to pray to the Father in His Name!
Even though Jesus bore sin itself on the cross, He was not contaminated by sin, He raised Himself with the Father and the Spirit, from the dead because He justified all who had looked forward to His coming and all of us after His death who also trust in Him for our salvation.
The Catholic can never be assured of salvation as they are kept away from Jesus, who is the source of all life. He is our Creator as that is stated in the 1st chapter of John.
In order for God to hear prayers, He is omniscient (all knowing), omnipotent (all powerful) and omnipresent (He can be everywhere all at the same time). How can Mary possess these same qualities? Jesus did not even have to go and visit the sick, but could heal from a great distance, and the child was healed.
We do not have a God who is not able and therefore needs the help of any human to hear our prayers and to answer them when we pray as Jesus taught us, to pray in His Name. How can the Catholic pray to Mary and then say as I always end my prayers: “In Jesus’ Name”? It does not make any sense.
Moreover, when Mary has “appeared”, she asks for a chapel to be built to her. Does this sound like she is taking people to Jesus? The Catholic Mary is a detour which does not lead as they teach, to Jesus and to God. I’ve been in Catholic Churches, and Mary’s statue can be and often is, as BIG as Jesus. Or Jesus is just a little helpless babe, in Mary’s arms. Jesus is ALL POWERFUL, even though He was born as a babe. He is NOT a baby any longer!
The fact is that as people unless God has forgiven us, there is never going to be enough “merit” even from those who won BIG at Monopoly to share with their fellow players, as kids do, under the table!
There is ONE WAY of Salvation in the Bible, and this is the whole point of Catholic tradition, that their salvation is NOT biblical salvation. They have another Gospel. As Paul told the Galatians, that if any come preaching another Jesus, let them be ANATHEMA! Yet Protestants stand on biblical Salvation and the Council of Trent still stands FOREVER, so we are forever under their anathemas!
Christ Jesus is the HEAD of the Church, and He has not given up that role. Some popes have lived in debauchery. To worship Mary instead of the Lord Jesus, is idolatry. Who cares that the Catholics say that they “venerate” Mary and the Saints. The word “venerate” original meaning is “to worship”. As few use the word “venerate” the Catholics just redefine it so they are covering up what they really are doing.
The reason why Mary became to worshipped and adored was the same reason, that the most popular god by far in the ancient world, was the mother goddess. It was common that the same goddess bore other names: Isis, Semiramis, Ishtar and many more names. To entice the worshippers of the pagan mother goddess, they just told them to worship their goddess and use Mary’s name.
So a Catholic cannot endorse Sola Scriptura since how they define what is in the scripture, diverts salvation from Christ alone, to themselves, another door, another supposed way to heaven: your own flimsy works. Forgiveness only lasts one week from your last meal of the Eucharist.
I think Anthony did a great job of debunking Mariology, but there are many other reasons why it is wrong, among these are what I’ve included. When David killed Goliath with a stone to the head, he went and cut off the giant’s head also. As long as there is one whimpering hope that Mary can save, the Catholics will cling to her. Cut the head off of all their arguments, Anthony!
The only hope of salvation is in Jesus Christ ALONE!!!!!!!!!
Jesus humbled himself. Simple as that
I am ever amazed at the Bible verses or images that people isolate, supposedly backing up the role of Mary as a perpetual virgin, intercessor, and queen of heaven. I hope the dear woman is kept blissfully unaware of this idolatry.
Roman Catholic Mary is an idol
Slanderer
@@Pat.hibuleire no true beliver
Anthony you help me so much I wish I could thank you
"Great is Diana (or Artemis) of the Ephesians!" If you go to Ephesus today and look at the tourist trash on sale there, you will see that the cult of the mother goddess is alive and well. The supposed Mary's house is just down the road. Join the dots!
Physically touching someone does not transfer their sin to you... the Lord Jesus being inside mary would not make Him a sinner, and He's also the Son of God, being God Himself, and thus never giving in to temptation... There is no necessity here for mary to be special in any way whatsoever. There's no reason to believe any of mariolatry from the Bible
Shameful Sam is a joke.
Honestly, I've always thought that Sam was a little psychologically ill.
The only miracle concerning Mary was the immaculate spiritual conception. After this point, natural human gestation and birth had to take place if Jesus was to become fully one of us, a human, to live, suffer and die our death …
@patriceagulu8315Whether Luther and Calvin believed in Mary’s perpetual virginity is irrelevant because this wasn’t one of their primary concerns in their disputes with Rome. As later Protestant theologians start to meditate on these issues more it becomes apparent that the evidence for it is flimsy.
@@coolmuso6108it is relevant as they are the founders of Protestantism.
@@maliktv4768u know that there were waves of reformation before that right?
Also both of them don’t hold the reformers as infallible
@Anthony Rogers, I have never noticed that the information in Genesis 25 v 6 is placed after Abraham's marriage to Keturah, having always assumed that these concubnes predate Abraham's marriage to Hagar - and that he sent the concubines' children (already older than Ishmael) and the concubines away at the same time as he sent Hagar and Ishmael away.. It always seems to me that Abraham adored Sarah, his first and only love for a very long time, and that the hook that God caught him on was that SARAH would bear him a son. Abraham was not in doubt about his own fertility b then, but God, by making the promise, preempted the possibility that he would pray for Sarah (like, later, Isaac would pray for Rebekah).
Is it not - at least - plausible to read 25 v 6 in relation to the sending away, rather than in relation to the childbearing, much as Genesis 22 vv 20 to 24 report events that had happened prior to their mention in the text?
No. Nothing in the text indicates that.
@@toomanymarys7355 Except, perhaps, “Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?”
- Genesis 18:12 (KJV). Why would Abraham wait until being over 138 years old before taking his first concubine?
@@chiaratiara2575because its God's will not men's will
@@SeekTheCross I do not know how our comment follows my initial comment.
What is the origin of the issues between Sam Shamoun and Anthony Roger?
Catholicism
I was going to comment the following, but you covered it at around 7:00.
How could Jesus inhabit this Earth and other people inhabit it afterwards? Is there something special about wombs that they alone can't be inhabited after being inhabited by the divine?
there is nothing special about the womb that held the creator of the universe 🤣🤣🤣🤣 once Jesus was born the holy spirit left Mary and the shadow of the Power of the Most High also left 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@pankaja7974 Yes, the uterus was obviously lined with gold. Pray tell, what in particular was special about the womb? How was it different from a normal womb? Also, you seem to have missed the point. If we apply your reasoning, then we end up with something like: there is nothing special about the world that held the creator of the universe 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't know how you aren't seeing that just because something contained Jesus, that doesn't make that thing operate according to different laws of physics, or mean that there was even anything special about it. Mary was only special because she was blessed with giving birth to Jesus. God didn't magically make her a divine being.
*"once Jesus was born the holy spirit left Mary and the shadow of the Power of the Most High also left 🤣🤣🤣🤣"*
Well, that has nothing to do with what I said, but you are free to believe it if you want.
Finally, an incredulous stare remains as strong of an argument as it was when it started, which is zero strength, and can be just as easily dismissed as it was given. Watch this!
Oh! I suppose that the Holy Spirit died when it was trapped in Jesus womb 🤣🤣🤣🤣
See. Saying nonsense and then following it with smiley faces does no intellectual work.
Yes Mary did not have any children after Jesus, she was a perpetual virgin, you can read it here "The Keys to Unlock the Signs of the End - Walid Shoebat".
@@Real_LiamOBryan so the holy spirit came up on the "world" and the power of the most high covered the "world" with its shadow ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@pankaja7974 That doesn't show that her womb was made special. You can't just claim it, you have to show it. Also, the power of God has overshadowed others: Matthew 17:5; Mark 9:7; and Luke 9:34.
So, God was without His shadow? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
See, this is stupid nonsense. It doesn't show anything to be true or false.
It sounds like false brethren trying to bring in something there
I'm aware of his position, how did he get caught up in this?
I can use a simple metaphor to solve this. Is Air Force one a specific aircraft or whatever craft WITH TPOUS? By definition, Air Force One is the craft "with the president".
When the LORD spoke to Moses, He told him to take off his shoes, because the land is holy. Did He mean merely the land itself? or when the LORD was there, the land is holy? The tabernacle was Holy when the LORD was there and was build by His order, not by any material or any physical form. The Holiness is from the Creator, not from mortals. So when the Redeemer was in her womb, she was blessed indeed, but after she gave birth to Jesus, she resumed a normal woman and had children with Joseph, which is good in God's eyes.
The Islamic perspective is even more plausible than the Catholic one. It is one thing to say a king cannot step into filthy a house. It is silly to say that the king can step into the filthy house, but afterwards no one can step into it because that would be insulting to the king!
Your Allah is weak and pitiful.
U have so much knowledge. How are u a Calvinist
Seeing Sam resort to arguements he’s used on Muslims is probably the saddest thing. I honestly feel he switched over so he can use the history to debate Muslims better.
I think union with Christ, joined to Him such that we are brought into the very love that flows between Father and Son- partakers of divinity is the greater mystery. The thought that Mary may produce more life after Jesus seems a less stupendous idea.
Lesser to greater I guess, if Rom. 6 is true, as hard to imagine as it is to be welcomed into the Trinity, then... it seems to me much easier to imagine Mary's fruifulness. Am I wrong? Willing to listen.
Anthony you and Sam should take a cruise together and share a suite. Maybe David could go as a mediator. Just sayin bro. Sounds doable.
David wouldn’t be caught dead around Sam. Just sayin.
@@Ousias1 Good to know. I was worried about David.
@@Ousias1would David an you guys ever reconcile ?
Mary confessed as a sinner!
Son of the devil
what even is the argument ? someone help me please
Is this a lesser to the greater argument? Nice beard
No offense meant to anyone; but, I've always thought that Sam was at-least-a-little crazy. I don't have any vitriol for Sam or any Catholic lay-person; but, I wish that he'd cool-his-head a bit, examine his beliefs (and, theology in GENERAL) calmly, and, then, act according to the conclusions that he comes-to without being a |)ICK about it.
Catholicism is just rabbinic judaism under a different name
Exactly! I've observed this.
Is Sam and David Wood still friends?
No.
@@Ousias1, so sad to see what Sam has become.
And Jesus was tempted by the devil, so no one else can be tempted by the Devil !!!
According to sam, Mary akbar
Powerful demonstration of how satanic mariolatry really is
Yeah, i unsubscribed him long time ago..
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.
-Acts 3:19
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16
I agree with you on this point , but calvinism is also in error , ps go back to the goated it suits you , the beard is not working sorry . God bless
It’s like how the Shia Muslims elevate Ali
Ultimately this is saying creating a child is EVIL. Or the blessed WOMB of a WOMAN becomes contaminated by the blessed seed of a MAN. They make the pure PROFANE
It was surprising to see Sam bringing out his rosary beads and coming to tears while describing “the beautiful womb of Mary” on his livestream.
Why would you listen to that man?
I used to watch his livestream. I’m describing a video I saw several years ago which revealed how far he had strayed, sadly
@@karenfisher4170 ohhh I thought you were talking about something recent. I don’t pay any attention to his stuff. The guy’s whole faith and life fell apart, mostly as a result of his own evil deeds, and he began to lash out at everyone and everything.
@@Ousias1you are à son of the devil yourself
Mary unlike your momoy carried god in her womb
This alone makes her special
If you can not respect her how can you respect her son
Do you think we catholics love her more than jesus
Just debate him😂
That guy won't debate Rogers. Sham is only putting on a show for his gullible followers. He's been hiding behind Albrecht for over a year, and Albrecht has been hiding and lying as well. Don't be so gullible. Oh, and watch out for talking snakes.
BTW, don't you feel more than a little bit dirty listening to a guy who admits that he pleasures himself before he pretends to teach you sound doctrine and morals? You people are hard to take seriously.
@@MrCharlesMartel Anthony fan boy, ask ur Roger Bible butcherer to debate with Sam
@@majesticrainmaker1460Another gullible Shamounian. Has he battered you yet today for his fake Mary and other idols? Don’t you think that Mary and the saints would cringe at that man’s behavior if they knew what he was doing? And aren't you ashamed to be adopting that man's behavior and way of talking? You sound just like him. You are being conformed to his image. Wouldn't you rather know the Christ of Scripture and His gospel and be both clothed in His righteousness and conformed to His image?
Sam shamoun...🤦
I don't hold to perpetual virginity (of the flesh, but certainly of heart). But I also believe Mary is the mother of the church, we ought to commune with her in pious ways, remember her blessedness, thank her for her yes to god, and ask her to lead us in the same.
Saints and angels are fully present and commune with the entire church. They are not dead, nor in a separate place. Heaven is intimately part of us, here and now. Heaven is all the qualities that are unseen (or invisible if you will). Love and joy, our human connection, etc. are all in heaven.
We can't help but relate to saints, but we can mind how we do it, and should do it in a human way, seeing them as they see us.
We are not beings completely bound by time and space. We are just tasked with bringing the eternal to the moments we inhabit, e.g. be in the world not of it. We simply tend to forget about our heavenly halves.
The reason I like the doctrine of Always-Virgin-Mary is that it affirms asexual marriages, and I find that wholesome.
I myself am a protestant, but I don't think Always-Virgin-Mary is Satanic in any way.
You’ve missed the point of the video. He didn’t say that belief in Mary’s perpetual virginity is satanic. He’s pointing out the satanic craftiness some people use to “prove” it, as in the claim that she must have remained a virgin because Jesus once dwelt in her womb. The conclusion doesn’t follow. If people buy into that kind reasoning, then they will potentially fall for other conclusions not supported by scripture.
As an aside, whether Mary remained a virgin or not, Scripture doesn’t positively teach it, and it certainly doesn’t enjoin belief in it as a matter necessary for salvation, and it doesn’t use the alleged fact of her perpetual virginity to promote rendering hyper-dulia or extreme veneration to her. A Protestant is free to believe she remained a virgin, but that belief cannot be imposed on anyone nor can it be used to promote idolatry.
Omnipotent+Eternal
Omniscient
Holy God-the-Father (in Heaven) set apart from all human mortal sinners
Holy God-the-Father (on Earth) walked in Eden when no human mortal sinners YET on Earth
Holy God-the-Father (on Earth: in Holy of Holies) set apart from all mortal human sinners
Holy God-the-Father (on Earth: in Holy of Holies) ALL "unatoned/unforgiven" mortal human sinners died instantly if entered in Holy God-the-Father's presence
vs
Holy God-the-Son (in Heaven: not yet on Earth) not yet come to Earth to save all mortal human sinners
Holy God-the-Son (on Earth) come to Earth in the immortal human flesh, God-with-us (Immanuel/Emmanuel), born of human mortal woman atoned/forgiven faithful repentant sinner birth-mother (Mary) according to God's laws, raised by human mortal man atoned/forgiven faithful repentant sinner legal-father (Joseph) according to God's laws, grew up with younger human mortal sibling sinners (brothers+sisters), walked amongst sinners, worked amongst sinners, ate with sinners, taught amongst sinners ... preached amongst sinners, ministered sinners, healed sinners, fed sinners, forgave sinners of their sins, resurrected dead sinners, and SAVED ALL SINNERS (Past, Present, Future) ... no sinner "died instantly" in the presence of Holy God-the-Son JESUS CHRIST !!!
vs
Holy God-the-Comforter (dwells in all Holy SAVED by Faith in SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST as "repentant sinners" temporarily-mortal-on-Earth Saints (permanent immortal-status eternal life for Heaven), atoned/forgiven by Jesus Christ) ... instant death only occurs to those defiant sinners SINNING deliberately against Holy God-the-Comforter who guides sinners who seek God, to repentance
SO:
in short ... Jesus Christ ... is God-with-us ...
BOTH:
even when He walked amongst unsaved sinners ...
and
even as the Holy-Ghost (Holy Comforter Indwelt in us as Saved Saints)
none "died instantly" in His Holy Presence!
I have no idea why are christians even arguing about this topic,it is not on us to formulate theories about this.Mother Mary is holy and that is it.Jesus is our salvation and we should stop dividing further.Stop it please both sides,everybody thinks they smart but they know nothing.
Where in God's word does it say that Mary is holy? You can say that Mary is blessed & is a sinner saved by the grace of God and was being sanctified like the rest of us. If you search the gospels, every single time somebody tries to exalt Mary in the presence of the Lord Jesus he shuts it down immediately. Those that worship Mary, try to go to God through Mary, pray to Mary,...etc. are idolaters. The word of God says no idolatry will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, therefore we must divided over this issue and we must point it out and say that this is wrong. If we allow idolatry into Orthodox Christianity it's like taking a basket of nutritious fruit and placing within it a poisonous fruit and saying that we should just eat all of it. Don't point it out! Don't make a big deal or divided over which fruit is good for you and which fruit is bad. There must be pure Doctrine in order to communicate the true God and the true way of salvation.
@SamShamoun
Why did Jesus gave Mary to John, and not to his brothers?
John was more trustworthy at that time.
@kardiognsilly answer
Was not one of a so called child an apostle too
Silly reformation
Even luther would call you an heretic ostesministries8150
@@Pat.hibuleire Your first sentence doesn't make any sense. Learn to communicate better.
@@kardiognostesministries8150 w
Sure the master shows the moon
The silly looks at the finger
@@Pat.hibuleire Get help.
Come to Orthodoxy ☦️
= come to idolatry.
@@kardiognostesministries8150 so first 1500 years of Christianity was idolatrous?
@@syntax575 The first Christians didn't teach to pray to others besides God.
@@kardiognostesministries8150 The church fathers and Saints absolutely teach intercession. That's just false
@@syntax575 See my previous post.
God said keep your hands and mouth off my anointed. Shut up Anothy. Sam is a Blessed Man of God.
Sam isn’t blessed. God doesn’t answer any of his prayers for patience or Christ-likeness. He attacks and hates the brethren. He thinks he’ll be saved by his works and he promotes idolatry. Forsake his company or he’ll lead you to a terrible place that you don’t want to be.
What if she did remain a virgin?
She didn't. The Bible explicitly makes that clear.
I am not as knowledgeable about these issues as I should be but will give it a response due to my recent conversion to Catholicism. So, in the womb Jesus was one with his mother and even today scientist can see certain cells of the mother within the child, not implying that the early church had a method of testing for this but I simply stated this to go into my next point. So, I think the early church fathers try to explain how could God be born from original sin. Then the church said the Mary was disconnect from that sin, sorry I’m not 100% sure again I’m still an early convert, that way Jesus could be born as a man and as God. Still some great doctors of the church like Thomas Aquinas did not believe that she stay a virgin but Jerome of Stridon did. The brothers and sisters of Jesus named in the bible I’ve always understood it as referring to children from another woman name Mary who was a disciple of Christ, whom St. Matthew calls “the other Mary”. And as an old Jewish tradition they were called brothers and sisters of Jesus. That’s just my 2 cents.
Specifically which early church fathers tried to explain how God could be born from original sin?
@@georgwagner937 hi, and just going over my notes (my classes are only on hour long once a week from my church so bear with me), I have a name of Clement the first for your answer and I also have the name John Duns Scotus in perenties as a note that some people use 1 John 1:8 to describe Mary as not being divine, because all man are born of original sin and therefor Jesus human side was born of sin, which we agree that this is not true (I have Hebrews 4:15 in my notes). So Mary was different because of Luke 1:28-30 and how she was greeted. That greeting trouble her so much. In my notes I have that the greeting was not common and that she was save from Original sin, that moment in order for our Lord to be born. I hope I answer your question, I am not as well diverse in these matters, what I can do is take your question and present them to my class on Friday. Thank you and God bless.
@@elojunitox hello, thank you for your answer.
If you'd like to point me to the exact letter of Clement I. that supports the argument, that would be awesome, I like to check and see for myself.
John duns scotus lived in the 13th century, so he cannot be used as an early source. You can trust him, but he's not early at all.
God bless.
@@georgwagner937 i'll do my best to remember on Friday. thanks for the conversation most people get nasty on these threads and make it hard to talk, hope you enjoy the rest of the week and prayers and blessings to you and your love ones.
@@elojunitoxJael is also called Blessed above/among women.
I would ask, How good is your imagination? Have you written works or poetry? Have you had powerful spiritual encounters? Can your captivate children and adults with your storytelling?
If not, maybe you should beef up your imagination. And definitely don't try to put God into that sorry little imagination box. We all have sorry little imagination boxes. Even JRR Tolkien's imagination could not grasp the truth of God.
First of all there is no such thing as "Luck" look in dictionary it is right below Lucifer.
Hello Lucifer, we all know that you are so proud that you hate satire and people making fun of you. I'm pretty sure the point of the meme is a play off of the pagan dressed in a shamrock suit in the meme, but you may feel free to take it as a blow to your pride.
@@MrCharlesMartel Give all praise and glory only to Yahweh through his name of salvation Yahshua, for he conquered death, hell and the grave that he might destroy the works of tge adversary, now today the adversary is putting words in the mouths of those he has deceived, words and false doctrine.
We call her queen of heaven, mother of the church and the New Isreal. The bible shows Mary crowned in heaven in Revolation 12. Pregnant with the messiah who will rule with a rod of Iron. So the woman of the Apocalypse can be no other than Our Lady. She has 12 stars for Isreal and is mother of others (note not biological children but) faithful believers those who keep Gods Comands(there is our alleged works were by we cooperate with the unearned grace of God. Grace which is won for us on the cross of Christ alone) and hold fast to the testimony about Jesus. These belivers are clearly the Church. You pretend this woman is the church or Israel. She is indeed the Mother of both but scripture is plain she is the Theotokos. She bears the Christ child she can be no other than Our Lady end of discussion.
Why do you deny plain scripture? I thought the bible was inerrant?
You're reaching.
@@TM_AZ The obvious plain meaning of the text is a heavenly queen who gives birth to the Christ. It is not I who is reaching it is you who is dodging what is for you theologically inconvenient scripture.
@@charleshill2121still reaching. The woman in Revelation is Israel, for one.
Name one non heretical church Father who said Mary was not a perpetual Virgin
Sam is super hero, you dont know who Sam is
He’s a degenerate who denies the true gospel by his words and deeds.
You may not want to venerate the Holy and Blessed Mother of God, but the Angel of God did it (and to no one else), Elizabeth filled by the Spirit ALSO did it (so it follows that it is a command from the Spirit to venerate Mary), John the Baptist did it (so much as he heard the voice of Mary and he LEAPT in his mother's womb), and IT IS SCRIPTURAL: "...for the Lord has done GREAT THINGS FOR ME AND HENCEFORTH ALL WILL CALL ME BLESSED".... you either follow Scripture or you dont and if you don't venerate the Mother of the Most High, you aren't as Sola Scriptura as you say you are.... (don't start implying Jesus disowned His Mother in any way since God would not break His Commandment of "Honor thy Father AND Mother")..... did Jesus fulfill that Commandment in an ordinary and regular way or in an extraordinary and perfect way so that we may "follow Him" and "be perfect like Our Father is perfect"?... I'll follow Jesus and Honor Mary in the MOST Venerable way--its Scriptural 😊.
LOL!!! He literally said in the video that Mary was blessed to conceive and give birth to Christ, and so he hardly spoke disparagingly of Mary and did not at all fall short of what Scripture says. What he repudiated in the video is the idea of Papists and EO's that Mary remained a virgin *on the grounds that no other person could inhabit her womb after the Son of God*. He also, without denying that Mary was blessed, rejected the idolatrous veneration of Mary on full display among apostate "Christian" groups who pray to Mary and seek from her divine blessings and graces. Scripture does not teach anyone to render "hyperdulia" to Mary, and anyone who does so is an idolator without any refuge in Scripture.
The idea to ask God to transfer a prayer to a saint so that this saint can then pray to God is totally logical and absolutely Christian.
Why can you not pray on your own to God through Jesus? What is the problem? How can a sleeping saint pray for you?
1 mediator.. Christ Jesus.
Wonder where all these brave Protestant souls shamelessly blaspheming the Mother of God were for the Seraphim Hamilton debate… Funny how that seems to work. Guess it’s easier to rant on your own video without pushback. Lord have mercy on you all.
No blasphemy was spoken in this video. Just the Bible and good logic.
And quit whining just because Seraphim got his wings clipped. He should have shown his back like Shamoun and Robinson and Albrecht.
@@MrCharlesMartel You are beyond delusional. Far beyond. God help you.
So, you believe that Mary is God because you can only blaspheme God.
@@genericname7020 No. The Theotokos (the Mother of God) is essential to knowing Who Christ is. She is the humanity Christ put on. She said yes to God and became the Tabernacle of the Most High and the Gate by which the Logos would enter into the world and become incarnate. Mary isn't God but she is essential to understanding Who Christ is and knowing Him. She is the New Eve through which all of humanity is able to be saved by Christ's incarnation just as Eve was the mother of all fallen man. So by rejecting the Theotokos, you reject the Person of Jesus Christ Who became man for our sakes. Rejecting or calling evil or idolatrous any aspect of Christ is blasphemy. If you can't understand that, well then fine. But then at least have the humility to acknowledge there's clearly a lot you do not understand here. Lord have mercy. May you encounter the True Christ and take on the Theotokos as your own Mother who was Mother to our Salvation.
I think Anthony Roger’s is good but this argument is actually stupid being honest 😂
The argument is an excellent refutation of stupid arguments made by Mariolaters. Forsake your idolatry and serve Christ alone.
@@MrCharlesMartelsilly repeat à lie does not make it true
Slanderer
Anthony is so much smarter than the church fathers.
Shamoun is not a church father, and he’s the one refuted in this video. Lol
Anthony is on the side of many early fathers, and not even those that later came to believe in Mary’s perpetual virginity would have made the dumb argument refuted in this video.