the raid would be so good if everytime i hear eronag 1st boss i dont hear garrosh hellscream every fucking time they couldnt even be bothered to change the voice so they didnt match :/
4:33 I like how Raszageth is just perched up there like a bird. Presumably she was quietly sitting there for a very long time, waiting patiently for Alexstrasza to notice her.
I don’t think we need dragon aspect , blessed by Titan deity’s overseeing world. The Mortals have saved Azeroth countless times. The age of Aspects is over.
Thank you! This video is exactly what I was looking for! All the others in my search til now have been guides or only one wing playthroughs, rather than the story behind the raid and the commentary by NPCS/cutscenes.
N'zoth new whisper from the Chromie questline suddenly makes some intriguing hinting now: "You will follow him to the deep places. The dark waters will flow in his wake." Sounds to me like Iridikron might have allied himself with the old gods in the past and will do so again!
Thank you Nobbel for not having details would been ashamed of myself aswell was an amazing experience to raid with you loved you video aswell as I didn’t keep up the story in the raid ❤🎉
I'm guessing Nozdormu will turn to Murozond as a way to stop Iridikron, that is - he sees it as the only way. And voilá, the setting for the next expansion is in place
@@Jazzeki no the eternal dragonflight is literally alive and always has been. He doesn't travel there and turn into him. Murozond exists now just like eternus is chromies eternal dragonflight
@@kckillakrack9714 because both the bronze dragon flight and by extension the infinte flight(who are just corrupt bronze dragons) are beyond time. time is meaningless to them.
As i predicted they will probably do a "Fire and Ice" Fight in the next Raid and deal with Iridikron as separate entity since Iridikron has some darker secrets to him. These secrets will probably lead to either Galakrond or Murozond, maybe both. One way they could go would be to try to put Tyrs Memories back into Tyr and accidentally Nozdormu gets them which will turn him into Murozond. After he turns he will do all the things that we have encountered before with the infinites. so the past happens as it should and finally he pushes Iridikron with whatever Dark Force he has upgraded himself with into the past making him our Final Boss in this expansion making us basically the Fathers of all Dragonflights.
I have a theory that the Aspects will not be able to reclaim their powers until there is a dragon for all of the different powers, we need a new Black and Green Aspect so without a full set. IE, they can't Captin Planet without a full set.
That would be my guess too and this is why I think that neither Wrathion nor Sabellion will become the aspect, but Ebyssian, since it probably is different from player to player who they support.
It IS a war unlike any other. We have never fought elemental dragon aspects alongside the Dragon Aspects of Order. The legion was demons, these are elemental dragons. It is a war unlike any other.
Still funny listening to Eranog. Just that thought of "Is that Garrosh?" then you can def hear it when the yelling gets a little more throaty. "Yup that's Seitz"
So if the titans end up being evil, does that mean Razzaget is gonna be defeated saying "I was trying to save you... an Azeroth divided... will not survive..."
My theory is the missing powers that “belong” to the aspects were actually being siphoned off of the imprisoned Primal Incarnates. The Primal Incarnates are the pure Chaos of the elements and the Titans tech is used to order them and in turn siphon their powers off into Dragon Aspects who they accuse of being the Titans puppets.
That's not true. The incarnates rejected the titans gift while the aspects did not. Raz is also the reason neltharion gave into the old gods because he saw no other way to stop her other than to seal her away. She is the youngest of all the proto dragons
@@trollkiller8695 alexstraza can't kill Raz. Neltharion couldn't either that's why he gave into the old gods. But when he did that he was no longer neltharion and he went and destroyed the blue dragonflight. Malygos the second strongest just disappeared after that
@@trollkiller8695 well that's true but he also went insane when he gave into the old gods and forgot all about Raz and went off and did his own thing. He had nothing to do with locking her up
"Us dragons have lost our ancient powers. This is the dawn of the age of mortals..." "Yeah, uh, nevermind, we need those back." i guess it makes sense that the age of mortals was short-lived, i don't know what i was expecting
Yup we have a lot of Dragonsoup to make, gather the Tuskarr, make haste and lit the fire under the big pot! These dinochickens are in for a heated encounter indeed!
I ain’t tryna start nothing but this man’s channel deserves more than 32k views in one day. I’ve come to realize it’s the thumbnails. They’re so bland and basic. But idk man that’s just my personal opinion
Nozdormu inching ever closer to that dark future. Wonder if they will let him go evil, prevent the dark future, or alter it where he is more of the anti-hero in charge of the infinite dragon flight
I wonder why the Elemental Lords are out of the picture here. Was not they who the primal proto dragons heeded to for elemental power back then. Elemental attribute magic are ruled by their respective lords so I assume they should be relevant here as pretext to what I was saying.
My assumption was that how can the machine give the 5 Aspects their power back, when there are not 5 Aspects yet. Probably wrong, but is what come to mind.
Interesting, while not all of this will fit, it is a stronger start then expected. I honestly kind of hope that the incarnates draw on some other source of elemental power then the lords but I doubt it. If that ends up being the case though, I wonder how they will respond since everyone except maybe Theresane is on the mortals side. She is the only one who might be bitter enough about mortals to swap sides but I guess we will see what this timeline holds
Imagine if some reasonable character came in and explained to the Primal Incarnates that this whole squabble is now a fart in the wind and they have way more important shit to deal with. Just give a full rundown of what has happened and what forces are involved. They all get crunk for a night and become best buddies, then prepare for what's to come.
I'm just saying but a lot of problems would be solved if Alexstrasza wouldn't be so merciful. Edit: and actually did something other that give chase, then bounce last minute. Edit2: kalec: "this whole place should be cleansed" ???? Kalec??? You're literally a magic dragon?? And Khadgar is a whole ass mage?
It's not just that she is merciful. It's literally her life goal to protect all life indiscriminately as well as she can. She accepted that order at the moment she embraced Eonar's gift. Abandoning that goal would be rejecting everything she has been ever since that moment. And since this is fantasy story, I'm fairly sure that rejection would most likely affect her ability to use her powers in some way, just like Thrall lost his connection to elements after he lost faith in himself. Or even worse, maybe it could corrupt her in some way.
Say, the point of the primalists fighting against the titans order and dont wanting the titans to influence Azeroth is realy valid when the planet Azeroth is a titan?
Gonna make an asspull and suggest titans are a mixture of light and void. Tilting too much into one side or another is "bad" The pantheon is titans siding with order. Sargeras was a titan siding with disorder(fel) In the SL we see arguably a pantheon of "titans" siding with death Originally, I could guess as the other lad mentioned for Azeroth to be an "Elementalist" sort of titan, not order. Seeing the Elemental Lords were the "true" original denizens of Azeroth. But then I remember that the Elemental Lords are just the literal embodiment of the elements, it seems Elemental Lords are native to any planets with, well, elements, Draenor has Elemental Lords without it having a World-Soul. What it seems like, is that the Elementalists don't want *Order* to influence Azeroth, in the same way, that we didn't want Void (Old Gods) to influence Azeroth. If they(Blizzard) flesh it well enough, The Incarnate could make very good villains, as in ones where we(the player) question if what we are doing is the right thing. My head cannon is that Azeroth is the strongest titan, cuz she has parts of all the 6 known "sides" Order, Disorder, Life, Death, Light and Void, in the universe. Maybe Azeroth was idd as Sargeras feared being touched by the void, Him trying to kill her and the pantheon to control it by imposing order, are just attempts from Dis/Order to prevent a new top dog to emerge.
maybe Azeroth isnt a Titan? We learned in Zereth Mortis that eternal ones are created through merging a powerful soul with a body. Maybe world souls like Azeroth arent titans by default, but become titans because the titans "hatch" them?
I predict that Nozdormu's corruption and fall into madness will have something to do beating Iridikron. Just like Deathwing showing the power he got from the Old Gods agaist the primalists before for the first time, maybe Nozdormu realizes that in order to beat them again he must become Murozond.
Razagath is the reason neltharion gave into the old gods to seal her away because he could not defeat her. So the aspects accepted the titans gift while the incarnates did not. They are all the same type of proto dragon. Raz is the youngest of them all
from what I remember Neltharion was particularl susceptible to the Old Gods' influence because of his connection to the earth, and he was empowered by the titans' order that is almost the complete opposite of the Void. Iridikron has the same connection to the earth if not even a stronger one, and doesn't have the protection of any other cosmological force. I think it's very likely that he does have some connection with them.
Boy do I hope so because I'd like nothing more than Chris Metzen to slam his dick on the table and say "Old Gods were never dead you fools!" and reveal that we had been tricked and Shadowlands was just convenient distraction that helped them to regain more of their strength in secret and gather their forces. But I think it's more likely that they're gonna use Iridikron to introduce the thing Jailer was so afraid about, maybe devourers or what's ruling them like Bellular has speculated.
@@LoredanSunstrider well, the Dragon Isles were once part of Yogg Sarons territory. Also there is Chromatus. But he was created by nefarian. so this "pact" was formed with something older. also you have to consider, that the titans might not be the "perfect" beings we used to know. odyn himself ordered to create a false narrative about the black empire, but for what reason?
@@Shek1nah oh, I agree with you in suspecting that the Titans have done 100% something shady and went hard on propaganda. My comment was to specify that their magic probably protected Neltharion from the Old Gods whispers (to some degree), and that this new earth-bound protodragon probably lacks the protection that the Titans might have given to Neltharion, but has the same (if not a stronger) connection to the earth, meaning he would be MUCH more vulnerable to their corruption.
@@LoredanSunstrider agree. but i smell something terrible fishy. something about the whole setup is strange. the oath stones don´t react after restoration. remember one of illgynoth´s lines: 5 lanterns now darkened, the flame they seek will light the masters path? could the lanterns be the 5 oath stones? i agree that they most likely gave them some protection against the old gods, that the protodragons did not have. but it is kinda funny: the "good" titans forced their order on Azeroth, imprisoning the old gods, creating the titan keepers that followed their very command and treated the TRUE children of Azeroth (Protodragons) as lower lifeforms? And the old gods basicly gave these titan constructs free will (curse of flesh)
The primal incarnates draw upon The elemental lords right? We killed the Real Ragnaors, We killed the Real the wind one which name I don't remember, we allied Neptune, and we allied(?) Therazine. So, why are the dragons stronger than thier patron elemental lords and also why are they not listening to thier masters?
Thanks to the Shamans of the Earthen ring we did replace every single dead Elemental lord and now they are kinda left to their own devices. Therazane is an enemy afik, Neptulion is the only lord that's truly chill currently
I think it'd be more interesting if some sort of peace was reached between the Aspects and the Primalists. The devs seem to be setting up that the Black Empire wasn't 100% pure evil all the time, and it seems like a waste to establish the Incarnates just to immediately kill them off. A peace might even set up someone in the Alliance to panic and turn evil to eliminate the perceived threat to the Titans' plan, The Thunder King style, which has some potential.
I luv at 3,30 min : I have faith that with the help of our champion (Your champion with this fucking ridiculous chrismas beanie on his head ?) > Yes , that champion ! Haaaa dragon , you have a very powerfull faith xD
My theory on why Alexstraza could not activate the stones. When we go into the memory of Ty R. We fight a corrupted Alexstraza. I think the Titan's see corruption inside her. And I think sometime in this expansion. We are going to have to deal with that.
What if the reason their powers didn’t return is because the titans are all gone? Like what ever happened between them and sargarus has either killed them or cut them off and so the source of their powers is gone?
I don't really understand what the incarnates are. They are "aspects" of elements? Like is there an incarnate for every element like wind, fire, earth and water? If so what are their relationships to the elemental lords? What kind of control over the elements do they have compared to the lords? Are they more powerful than the lords? If they have an important relationship to the lords, have they been mentioned in any regard before? If not, why? I don't really get the power dynamic.
I'd say before considering they mention here that they haven't set foot inside of tyrs place for millenia. One of the renown quests has them do exactly that.
@@lordoblivion8038 As long as we don't kill him, he can die when he is supposed to die, i guess. But finishing the Exp with a boss we don't kill? last time we did that, well, we got WoD.
You see, the aspects may have lost a lot of power, but gained something far more valuable. 10-25 immortal murder hobos to do their dirty work for them.
The Mother Oathstone not working and Kalecgos going all in on unity and family tells me that the writing team saw Encanto and are just copying the themes of that movie.
Damn, watching you play and talk about the current expansion it really feels like they finally made something GOOD again. I honestly thought they would never be able to again since the fumbled mess BfA and the honestly awful Shadowlands but so far Dragonflight seems to be a cautios return to form.
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Was a pleasure to have you raiding with us, Nobbel! Always welcome in the future!
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the raid would be so good if everytime i hear eronag 1st boss i dont hear garrosh hellscream every fucking time they couldnt even be bothered to change the voice so they didnt match :/
3:28 Very serious and daunting battles against Razegeth lie ahead, and Nobbel's character is chilling out with that adorable hat. What a legend.
24:42 I love Khadgar's face here. It has the exact amount of "I just HAD to speak, didn't I?" feel that I would deem appropriate for the situation.
4:33 I like how Raszageth is just perched up there like a bird. Presumably she was quietly sitting there for a very long time, waiting patiently for Alexstrasza to notice her.
Us: "How?...How long have you been sitting there?"
Raszageth: "Literally like a month, Vigor takes forever to recharge."
It doesn't matter who you are, what your motives are, not even your power matters. Nothing can stand between the players and loot.
I still think the reason why the Mother Oathstone didn't work was because the Black Dragonflight still doesn't have a true leader yet.
That does seem quite likely, i don't see the aspects regaining their power until the end of the expansion tbh
They also probably all have to be present and standing on their corresponding gem on the ground around the oathstone
Naw. It's clearly an error and Alexstrasza being over 20k years old, doesn't how it works or fix it.
Green dragons are also aspectless at the moment as well
I don’t think we need dragon aspect , blessed by Titan deity’s overseeing world. The Mortals have saved Azeroth countless times. The age of Aspects is over.
I love the fact that this expansions story has so many possible ways to unfold. Makes it really feel like a story
I love that this raid has lore between bosses. Dathea and Council, Broodmother and Eranog. Lends it a cool lore flavor note commonly seen in WoW
Thank you! This video is exactly what I was looking for! All the others in my search til now have been guides or only one wing playthroughs, rather than the story behind the raid and the commentary by NPCS/cutscenes.
N'zoth new whisper from the Chromie questline suddenly makes some intriguing hinting now: "You will follow him to the deep places. The dark waters will flow in his wake."
Sounds to me like Iridikron might have allied himself with the old gods in the past and will do so again!
Thank you Nobbel for not having details would been ashamed of myself aswell was an amazing experience to raid with you loved you video aswell as I didn’t keep up the story in the raid ❤🎉
I'm guessing Nozdormu will turn to Murozond as a way to stop Iridikron, that is - he sees it as the only way. And voilá, the setting for the next expansion is in place
@@trollkiller8695 Then something else will happen, clearly.
He doesn't turn into him murozond exists and always has in the eternal dragonflight
@@kckillakrack9714 yes he's a timetraveler. so by becomeing him he exists and always have.
@@Jazzeki no the eternal dragonflight is literally alive and always has been. He doesn't travel there and turn into him. Murozond exists now just like eternus is chromies eternal dragonflight
@@kckillakrack9714 because both the bronze dragon flight and by extension the infinte flight(who are just corrupt bronze dragons) are beyond time. time is meaningless to them.
This expac has me so hyped I swear T.T they've done a great job so far on so many levels it gives me hope
As i predicted they will probably do a "Fire and Ice" Fight in the next Raid and deal with Iridikron as separate entity since Iridikron has some darker secrets to him.
These secrets will probably lead to either Galakrond or Murozond, maybe both.
One way they could go would be to try to put Tyrs Memories back into Tyr and accidentally Nozdormu gets them which will turn him into Murozond. After he turns he will do all the things that we have encountered before with the infinites. so the past happens as it should and finally he pushes Iridikron with whatever Dark Force he has upgraded himself with into the past making him our Final Boss in this expansion making us basically the Fathers of all Dragonflights.
that transmog makes me want to rip out my eyes
I have a theory that the Aspects will not be able to reclaim their powers until there is a dragon for all of the different powers, we need a new Black and Green Aspect so without a full set. IE, they can't Captin Planet without a full set.
That would be my guess too and this is why I think that neither Wrathion nor Sabellion will become the aspect, but Ebyssian, since it probably is different from player to player who they support.
"a war unlike any other" legion:'are we a joke to you?'
It IS a war unlike any other. We have never fought elemental dragon aspects alongside the Dragon Aspects of Order. The legion was demons, these are elemental dragons. It is a war unlike any other.
Thanks for the video its good to see you still posting
"All thanks to OUR CHAMPION-"
*camera pans to Nobbel in a Santa hat*
holy shit he was almost spot on with that 'make their own dragonsoul" comment
Still funny listening to Eranog. Just that thought of "Is that Garrosh?" then you can def hear it when the yelling gets a little more throaty. "Yup that's Seitz"
So if the titans end up being evil, does that mean Razzaget is gonna be defeated saying "I was trying to save you... an Azeroth divided... will not survive..."
As they talks about Iridikron's hunger... he is going to eat at lest one of the other Incarnates.
It gives me major Galakrond 2.0 vibes.
The amount of spite in Razageth's voice is just so... *chef's kiss*
My theory is the missing powers that “belong” to the aspects were actually being siphoned off of the imprisoned Primal Incarnates. The Primal Incarnates are the pure Chaos of the elements and the Titans tech is used to order them and in turn siphon their powers off into Dragon Aspects who they accuse of being the Titans puppets.
That's not true. The incarnates rejected the titans gift while the aspects did not. Raz is also the reason neltharion gave into the old gods because he saw no other way to stop her other than to seal her away. She is the youngest of all the proto dragons
@@trollkiller8695 they couldn't that's why neltharion gave into the old gods.
@@trollkiller8695 alexstraza can't kill Raz. Neltharion couldn't either that's why he gave into the old gods. But when he did that he was no longer neltharion and he went and destroyed the blue dragonflight. Malygos the second strongest just disappeared after that
@@trollkiller8695 well that's true but he also went insane when he gave into the old gods and forgot all about Raz and went off and did his own thing. He had nothing to do with locking her up
@@trollkiller8695 I don't know what to tell ya that's what happened
"Us dragons have lost our ancient powers. This is the dawn of the age of mortals..."
"Yeah, uh, nevermind, we need those back."
i guess it makes sense that the age of mortals was short-lived, i don't know what i was expecting
I must admit that wow got so beautiful in all those years. and it still keeps its original art style
Yup we have a lot of Dragonsoup to make, gather the Tuskarr, make haste and lit the fire under the big pot! These dinochickens are in for a heated encounter indeed!
I ain’t tryna start nothing but this man’s channel deserves more than 32k views in one day. I’ve come to realize it’s the thumbnails. They’re so bland and basic. But idk man that’s just my personal opinion
Nozdormu inching ever closer to that dark future. Wonder if they will let him go evil, prevent the dark future, or alter it where he is more of the anti-hero in charge of the infinite dragon flight
I had this vibe with the quest where you fall through time with one of them. Like an enemy of my enemy deal, for now.
They'll probably fuck with time and have Nozdormu remain himself, but his alter-ego will still exist so we have both.
I feel like maybe nozdormu will learn the titans are evil and the old gods are trying to protect azeroth
I think that maybe chromie trying to find a way to save noz is what eventually causes him to turn into muro.
The more I look at him, the more Kalec looks like Blue Anduin xD
I like how the primalist had no mention in the galakrond fight, almost like they were just made up
Hmmmm....since Neltharian accept the oldgods to defeat them first place.....
I think this time it is Nazdormu... becoming the Murozond
Im surprised they had a raid to put out so soon.
Thanks for clear lore telling, better than game itself! Btw 21:10 why your camera looks so "wide", you know what im saying?
I love Raszageth absolute no chill attitude she knows what she wants and we know what she wants unlike certain robot.
3:35 "With the help of our champion." Cuts to that.
I wonder why the Elemental Lords are out of the picture here. Was not they who the primal proto dragons heeded to for elemental power back then. Elemental attribute magic are ruled by their respective lords so I assume they should be relevant here as pretext to what I was saying.
I assume it has to do with two things. First m, half the original lords are dead. Second power given tends to remain with the bearer.
can i have an answer from the start of the boss to the last boss who class has the best dps ??
My assumption was that how can the machine give the 5 Aspects their power back, when there are not 5 Aspects yet.
Probably wrong, but is what come to mind.
Interesting, while not all of this will fit, it is a stronger start then expected. I honestly kind of hope that the incarnates draw on some other source of elemental power then the lords but I doubt it. If that ends up being the case though, I wonder how they will respond since everyone except maybe Theresane is on the mortals side. She is the only one who might be bitter enough about mortals to swap sides but I guess we will see what this timeline holds
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"From the earth, he draws strength. Our earth, our strength!"
Also when Nobbel Elden ring playthrough ?????
Imagine if some reasonable character came in and explained to the Primal Incarnates that this whole squabble is now a fart in the wind and they have way more important shit to deal with.
Just give a full rundown of what has happened and what forces are involved.
They all get crunk for a night and become best buddies, then prepare for what's to come.
And soup to make 😂😂😂😂😂
I'll never enjoy Blizzard throwing key story moments into damn raids. Thank goodness for youtubers like this.
I'm just saying but a lot of problems would be solved if Alexstrasza wouldn't be so merciful.
Edit: and actually did something other that give chase, then bounce last minute.
Edit2: kalec: "this whole place should be cleansed" ???? Kalec??? You're literally a magic dragon?? And Khadgar is a whole ass mage?
It's not just that she is merciful. It's literally her life goal to protect all life indiscriminately as well as she can. She accepted that order at the moment she embraced Eonar's gift. Abandoning that goal would be rejecting everything she has been ever since that moment. And since this is fantasy story, I'm fairly sure that rejection would most likely affect her ability to use her powers in some way, just like Thrall lost his connection to elements after he lost faith in himself. Or even worse, maybe it could corrupt her in some way.
@@retrohanska4441 She had no problems killing Malygos tho, so that's kinda wrong
Say, the point of the primalists fighting against the titans order and dont wanting the titans to influence Azeroth is realy valid when the planet Azeroth is a titan?
I thought it was confirm that Azeroth dont have Titan origin but something elemental ?
Gonna make an asspull and suggest titans are a mixture of light and void.
Tilting too much into one side or another is "bad"
The pantheon is titans siding with order.
Sargeras was a titan siding with disorder(fel)
In the SL we see arguably a pantheon of "titans" siding with death
Originally, I could guess as the other lad mentioned for Azeroth to be an "Elementalist" sort of titan, not order. Seeing the Elemental Lords were the "true" original denizens of Azeroth.
But then I remember that the Elemental Lords are just the literal embodiment of the elements, it seems Elemental Lords are native to any planets with, well, elements, Draenor has Elemental Lords without it having a World-Soul.
What it seems like, is that the Elementalists don't want *Order* to influence Azeroth, in the same way, that we didn't want Void (Old Gods) to influence Azeroth.
If they(Blizzard) flesh it well enough, The Incarnate could make very good villains, as in ones where we(the player) question if what we are doing is the right thing.
My head cannon is that Azeroth is the strongest titan, cuz she has parts of all the 6 known "sides" Order, Disorder, Life, Death, Light and Void, in the universe.
Maybe Azeroth was idd as Sargeras feared being touched by the void, Him trying to kill her and the pantheon to control it by imposing order, are just attempts from Dis/Order to prevent a new top dog to emerge.
I mean, what's gonna happen to like all of the peoples on azeroth if it hatch into a titan ?
@@Dorkyoo probably nothing, like with argus
maybe Azeroth isnt a Titan? We learned in Zereth Mortis that eternal ones are created through merging a powerful soul with a body. Maybe world souls like Azeroth arent titans by default, but become titans because the titans "hatch" them?
I love the subtitles... Thunderchicken away!😂
Why not just go see the titans directly though? I'm sure illidan wouldn't mind the company.
Glad to see the opening of the game's story is doing better than it has in a long time.
Now let's how long will pass until the next update.
Iridikron really seems to think they betrayed the dragons. I wonder if there is something we aren't being told.
Ahhh... Nozdormu is gonna do a Neltharion... Embrace the forbidden power of the old gods to stop the incarnates, and become, Murazond...
I predict that Nozdormu's corruption and fall into madness will have something to do beating Iridikron. Just like Deathwing showing the power he got from the Old Gods agaist the primalists before for the first time, maybe Nozdormu realizes that in order to beat them again he must become Murozond.
Razagath is the reason neltharion gave into the old gods to seal her away because he could not defeat her. So the aspects accepted the titans gift while the incarnates did not. They are all the same type of proto dragon. Raz is the youngest of them all
it is possible if iridikron has connection to the old gods.
from what I remember Neltharion was particularl susceptible to the Old Gods' influence because of his connection to the earth, and he was empowered by the titans' order that is almost the complete opposite of the Void. Iridikron has the same connection to the earth if not even a stronger one, and doesn't have the protection of any other cosmological force. I think it's very likely that he does have some connection with them.
Boy do I hope so because I'd like nothing more than Chris Metzen to slam his dick on the table and say "Old Gods were never dead you fools!" and reveal that we had been tricked and Shadowlands was just convenient distraction that helped them to regain more of their strength in secret and gather their forces. But I think it's more likely that they're gonna use Iridikron to introduce the thing Jailer was so afraid about, maybe devourers or what's ruling them like Bellular has speculated.
@@LoredanSunstrider well, the Dragon Isles were once part of Yogg Sarons territory. Also there is Chromatus. But he was created by nefarian. so this "pact" was formed with something older. also you have to consider, that the titans might not be the "perfect" beings we used to know. odyn himself ordered to create a false narrative about the black empire, but for what reason?
@@Shek1nah oh, I agree with you in suspecting that the Titans have done 100% something shady and went hard on propaganda. My comment was to specify that their magic probably protected Neltharion from the Old Gods whispers (to some degree), and that this new earth-bound protodragon probably lacks the protection that the Titans might have given to Neltharion, but has the same (if not a stronger) connection to the earth, meaning he would be MUCH more vulnerable to their corruption.
@@LoredanSunstrider agree. but i smell something terrible fishy. something about the whole setup is strange. the oath stones don´t react after restoration. remember one of illgynoth´s lines: 5 lanterns now darkened, the flame they seek will light the masters path?
could the lanterns be the 5 oath stones?
i agree that they most likely gave them some protection against the old gods, that the protodragons did not have.
but it is kinda funny: the "good" titans forced their order on Azeroth, imprisoning the old gods, creating the titan keepers that followed their very command and treated the TRUE children of Azeroth (Protodragons) as lower lifeforms?
And the old gods basicly gave these titan constructs free will (curse of flesh)
The primal incarnates draw upon The elemental lords right? We killed the Real Ragnaors, We killed the Real the wind one which name I don't remember, we allied Neptune, and we allied(?) Therazine. So, why are the dragons stronger than thier patron elemental lords and also why are they not listening to thier masters?
Thanks to the Shamans of the Earthen ring we did replace every single dead Elemental lord and now they are kinda left to their own devices. Therazane is an enemy afik, Neptulion is the only lord that's truly chill currently
I came to early! YOU TEASE!!!
he always does
I think it'd be more interesting if some sort of peace was reached between the Aspects and the Primalists. The devs seem to be setting up that the Black Empire wasn't 100% pure evil all the time, and it seems like a waste to establish the Incarnates just to immediately kill them off. A peace might even set up someone in the Alliance to panic and turn evil to eliminate the perceived threat to the Titans' plan, The Thunder King style, which has some potential.
I luv at 3,30 min : I have faith that with the help of our champion (Your champion with this fucking ridiculous chrismas beanie on his head ?) > Yes , that champion ! Haaaa dragon , you have a very powerfull faith xD
Nobbel 87 Never doubts to amaze me with his lore knowledge 🧠
I feel the aspects need to prove them selves again like how the did with galakrond, they dont need power to be defenders of azeroth
Hey nobble what do you think are the bargains Iridikron had struck?
i dont understand Broodkeeper's lore. What is Diurna's role or objective in the primalist cause. She is also the penultimate boss.
The way Alexstrasza looking at me like that is making me act up 🥵
Hi.
Do you have a video on "the curse of flesh"?
yep! ruclips.net/video/NAAEAPoXE6M/видео.html
@@Nobbel87 THANKS!
@@Nobbel87 Im confused. Who or what exactly caused the curse of flesh?
@@olanordmann7836 yogg-saron through keeper loken
@@Nobbel87 Interestin.
Loken sounds and awful lot like "Loki", the norse god of deception.
Did Loken deceive the immortals?
I can guess why during the time of legion the Titans are busy dealing with Sargeras so there left occupied to help the Aspects.
My theory on why Alexstraza could not activate the stones. When we go into the memory of Ty R. We fight a corrupted Alexstraza. I think the Titan's see corruption inside her. And I think sometime in this expansion. We are going to have to deal with that.
we help the aspects regain their power, only to fight them next exp, when illidan returns with sargeras and expose the titans
The covering of what the bosses do is nice.
Not that it matters much but what flight is Diurna from? I can't tell if she's black or red lol
What if the reason their powers didn’t return is because the titans are all gone? Like what ever happened between them and sargarus has either killed them or cut them off and so the source of their powers is gone?
I hope I'm not the only one who got massive Jormag (GW2) vibes from Vyrannoth
It feels weird to me that these dragons are standing around talking while wearing their human forms.
I don't really understand what the incarnates are. They are "aspects" of elements? Like is there an incarnate for every element like wind, fire, earth and water? If so what are their relationships to the elemental lords? What kind of control over the elements do they have compared to the lords? Are they more powerful than the lords? If they have an important relationship to the lords, have they been mentioned in any regard before? If not, why?
I don't really get the power dynamic.
Canonically, does the raid happen before Malfurion questline or after?
I'd say before considering they mention here that they haven't set foot inside of tyrs place for millenia. One of the renown quests has them do exactly that.
The ending reinforces my guess that Murozond will be the final boss of the expansion.
We already defeated him.
@@hisokamorow6709 and will be defeated again if that were to happen
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As long as we don't kill him, he can die when he is supposed to die, i guess.
But finishing the Exp with a boss we don't kill? last time we did that, well, we got WoD.
oh shit I thought I recognized Alexstrasza's voice. She voiced Arabeth in NWN.
27:40 "together", meanwhile sabellian and wrathion goes ?
You see, the aspects may have lost a lot of power, but gained something far more valuable. 10-25 immortal murder hobos to do their dirty work for them.
Eranog has the voice of Garrosh, and the same lust for blood 😅
Chromie for Bronze Aspect 2023. Do it :D
This raid has got to be the toughest one yet, and the adventure in the Dragon Isle’s and war with the Primalists has only just begun.
Feel the pain of 10000 quickmatches
Khadgar still the true chad even when he's hanging with dragon people that are 10-20k+ years old
we were supposed to get who the endboss will be but tbh I am not much smarter on how the story will unfold
Alexstrasza talked more about the earth one being particularly bad. That might pin him as the end boss. Although I keep hoping it's Murozond.
isn't Kalec just a blue anduin?
Allie should've tried turning the Mother Oathstone off and on again
The Mother Oathstone not working and Kalecgos going all in on unity and family tells me that the writing team saw Encanto and are just copying the themes of that movie.
Nah its fast and furious
@@dscarmo So they copied themes from a series past it's prime and won't die? How ironic.
lore and a boss guide.. pog!
" Thunder chicken AWAYYYYYYYYYY"
Good video
Raszagal? Matriarch of the Dark Templar?
So time to rez Deathwing? Incarnate of Earth vs Worldbreaker.
Damn, watching you play and talk about the current expansion it really feels like they finally made something GOOD again. I honestly thought they would never be able to again since the fumbled mess BfA and the honestly awful Shadowlands but so far Dragonflight seems to be a cautios return to form.
It is great to see you excited about WoW again. I know how much Shadowlands wore you out and made you not enjoy the Warcraft universe.
There is story for this expac? XD
They made Alextrasza a lot cuter this expansion
wait what when did kalegos not like spiders?
Anyone else want to kiss every single one of Alexstrasza's freckles, or that just me?