Yeah the only thing that bugged me was how neither Jaina,Sylvanas nor Muradin played any major role in the ICC raid. Tytion while a badass at this point was quiet the side char heck for anyone who did not play the DK starting quest it felt like h came from nowhere
hearing the intro is so nostalgic a couple of days ago I started watching Nobble videos again even though I know all the lore already, there's something pure about this channel and old school WoW Lore.
So, as a player that originally started WoW in Wrath, I literally never realized that Trial of the Crusader was a thing to test who was strong enough to not die in ICC and make the lich king's forces stronger. Awesome as always, Nobbel
5:31 I got an add here that synced up really well and got a good laugh out of me! It went “should he rise from the frozen north... all of Azeroth will- have a cleaning tip from mister clean!”
Played from Open Beta through end of Mists. I really feel like Wrath was the high point. It was finally wrapping up a story I'd been heavily invested in since Warcraft 3. It'll probably remain my favourite expansion for the entire life of the game.
I just noticed while watching the wrath gate cut scene in this video that the gate looks a lot like a maw of Yogg'Saron some how I've never noticed it before
Arthas' story was the reason i started that game and Wotlk will always be a unique exp on every aspect of it! But after so many years and especially after what they did with Arthas in SL i just cant watch anymore, no matter how much i like them, any video about Wotlk lore etc... It just hurts when i bring in mind the current state of story.
WoW used to be a very easy to follow story and that’s what I enjoyed most. Now we have half written narratives that take 3 expansions to cover, and no attempt at making new interesting characters. The lich king is my favorite video game villain by far. Sylvanas and the jailer just make me sad compared to what WoW used to do well at
Yes, thank you so much. I have been waiting and hoping for this. I watched some of your other videos recently to refresh on Wrath but I was hoping for a new overview.
Pretty much a complete scrub when it comes to WoW, but I’m planning on playing Wrath classic to hopefully experience some of the good things I’ve heard of Wrath through the years. And I have to say, the two dialogue lines at 21:19 have made me extremely hype for no particular reason
So sad that Danusser turned Arthas into 35 anima that banished like a hot fart in the air. PS: What surprises does that master writer have in store for us I'm "Dragonlands"? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I loved the early story development, especially when you get the moment of realization of what's going on and what happened, like Muradin Bronzebeard storyline in the storm peaks, which as of this comment, I'm playing through, though their in game story telling has made great strides, not all of the story is there, but in books or other media, which is unfortunate, rather than other media adding onto existing story through other perspectives of the characters - hence why Pyromancer left us, kappa :(
Hey, so cool to see that you still do lore vids. I used to watch them as a teen and you made me get deeper into the background lore to the game and a whole new universe opened before my eyes :D You animated me to do the loremaster achievement and to read the quest logs and all that. Brought some WoW novels, especially the "Rise of the Lich King" was my favorite. Prior to that it was just farming xp, grinding inis etc., but then I started to interest me more into the world. Like, whats the story behind this ruin i am doing this quest right now in, and things like that^^
A large part of the problem with modern WoW is the story telling. BFA felt disjointed, like two different expansions smashed into one. We had to wait until the next expansion to find out the motivation behind the Sylvanas part of the story, and even then it was extremely lacking and poorly put together. Shadowlands was short on story, and not all of the storytelling was cohesive. Arden weald was beautiful, and the questing told an overall story, but what did any of it have to do with the story of the expansion?? And someone remind me what the motivation behind the Jailer's actions were again?
Speaking of Anub'Rekhan makes me think of Anub'arak. Wasn't that guy suppose to be a powerful badass? Like a real formidable pain in the ass for the Lich King causing him to put all of his effort into defeating Anub'arak? It's kind of a shame he's just a random boss in a regular 5 man dungeon....
I had barely started playing back then, and I'm kind of sad that I didn't get to discover Northrend and Wrath's lore and story with prior knowledge and context, because this expac was peak Warcraft in all the right ways. We might've hit new gameplay highs and expanded the game in good ways after that, but I don't think any version of WoW ever felt as right in its feel, world building, lore *delivery*, story, characters, plot beats and atmosphere. We got huge lore building reveals that explained a lot yet only made the canon feel bigger and more mysterious; we got familiar and new characters having interesting arcs and plots in every moment and corners; and we got big hype/emotional moments that were earned and had lasting impact. It makes me want to replay every Northrend questline on Retail or keep up with Wrath Classic through the Patches, but I can't help the feeling that it just wouldn't be as good with modern canon/lore context in mind, it might soil it all - I'm tempted to leave it undisturbed in my memories as I experienced it through my young teens...
I feel the lore is not as exciting as it was back then - as someone mentioned - the writing was good then. They also had a TON of stuff they could use from Warcraft 3 yet - which seemed to pack a SHIT TON of stuff that could then be used to fuel soooo mannnny expansion! Blizz should have ended WoW at Legion, made a Warcraft 4 to introduce more lore/storylines/history/etc, and then they could have built a brand new engine for WoW, call it "WoW 2" and use Warcraft 4 as to fuel more expansion. /2cents (didnt' meant to write so much, love your lore vids, dude!)
At the events of Warcraft 3 Arthas was a prince, so I guess he was quite young. World of Warcraft released 4 years after the events of the expansion The frozen throne and many staff happened before the Lich King was awaken (the opening of the Dark Portal and the Burning crusade). So I guess aproximately 15 or 20 years lorewise passed from the merging of Arthas with the Lich King till the day he was destroyed. That means Arthas is about 35 - 40 years old when he dies.
@@jonwelsh4354 I was chatting my calculations, it seems Arthas was like 24 years at Warcraft 3 and he died as Lich King at 31 years old. I said he was probably 35-40 when he died. Not so bad.
Some of the scenes that you show in the video, are some of them from machinimas? To me, it certainly looks so. Like from 11:54. Or are they cutscenes from the game?
I think once or twice he uses machinimas (not entirely certain, but 8:09 and 16:27 seems like it). However, 11:54, that you are talking about, was official promotion material used back in the day. They may very well have used machinima methods though.
Think it might've been a mistake to kill off arthas? I mean at that point he was less a character and more an integral part of the setting overall. The scourge has never been the overwhelming scary force it was since without him. Just knowing he was still around during classic just gave the experience an extra level of depth. Knowing you'd encounter him In some shape or form.
Canon wise, who win the airship assault boss? wo reah the top of Icecrown and help Tirion in his fight? Or was the air ship fight note canon or something?
So wait the lichking was a tool of the jailer and the dreadlords are made by denathrius and/or the jailer to serve. So why is a dreadlord helping inventing a plague to hurt/kill arthas and the undead?
Love how we killed 2 dragons, an avatar of the old gods, and a demon overlord. Yet the whole world was afraid of one angsty boi and his spooky skelly skeletons. (And after that we just smacked another avatar of the old gods and some keepers for good measurement) +howling fjord was one giant red flag i missed when it comes to the blight betrayel at the warthgate.
Frostmourne was part of ner'zhul, the OG lich King. During the events of warcraft 1 and 2 Ner'zhul became an incredible powerful but tortured soul who want nothing but pain, suffering and death upon all living things. Being trapped in icecrown, ner'zhul saw Arthas as a perfect champion to corrupt and carry out his will. Highly reccoment watching Nobbel's videos on Ner'zhul and on Arthas. They give a good perspective of why Ner'zhul became so evil and why Arthas was so easily corrupted
@@real-oppenheimer Yes ner'zuhl basically possessed/mastered Arthas. Arthas became a twisted dark being. A tale of how seeking power at all costs, even for a good cause (defeating mal ganis), can lead to ruin/corruption/destruction.
@@real-oppenheimer pretty much, again I highly reccomend watching Nobbel's video series of Ner'zuhl and series on Arthas. One of the best written parts of the warcraft universe
I feel that Tirion Fordring was the real hero of wow, he is what players should of been. It was a damn shame that he was not brought back as a death knight in Legion, stopped by Lady Liadrin, perhaps because paladins obtained his weapon, but I feel he would of done a service without it. Even if he diden't wish to become a death knight, he could of done a lot more in the grand scheme of things in which his prior efforts shared, to defeat the legion and restore peace and justice, still could of done so as a death knight. He would of been under Bolvar again.
![The Story of Icecrown Citadel [Lore]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZP3IWX-r7ck/mqdefault.jpg)
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![The Story of The Burning Crusade Classic [Lore]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/miTz4Lf3bns/mqdefault.jpg)
Gods, the writing was strong then
This sentence litteraly been running through my mind while working on this.
Bobby B? Is that you?
Somebody fetch the breastplate stretcher!
Yeah the only thing that bugged me was how neither Jaina,Sylvanas nor Muradin played any major role in the ICC raid. Tytion while a badass at this point was quiet the side char heck for anyone who did not play the DK starting quest it felt like h came from nowhere
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug
"I see only darkness before me" .....Arthas saw the future of WoW.
oof lol
hearing the intro is so nostalgic
a couple of days ago I started watching Nobble videos again even though I know all the lore already, there's something pure about this channel and old school WoW Lore.
It's such a nice, warm, familiar space to be in. As if you cuddle up next to the hearthfire in your winter cabin.
I played this when it wasn’t “classic”.
Gods, I had so much free time to raid then.
Same man. Wife and kids now
So, as a player that originally started WoW in Wrath, I literally never realized that Trial of the Crusader was a thing to test who was strong enough to not die in ICC and make the lich king's forces stronger. Awesome as always, Nobbel
5:31 I got an add here that synced up really well and got a good laugh out of me! It went “should he rise from the frozen north... all of Azeroth will- have a cleaning tip from mister clean!”
Played from Open Beta through end of Mists. I really feel like Wrath was the high point. It was finally wrapping up a story I'd been heavily invested in since Warcraft 3. It'll probably remain my favourite expansion for the entire life of the game.
Nobbel showing us the REAL full lore story. Thanks man!
*gasp*
I just noticed while watching the wrath gate cut scene in this video that the gate looks a lot like a maw of Yogg'Saron some how I've never noticed it before
Thanks for this Nobbel. Makes the relaunch even more exiting having this video running on the second screen
Hearing Bolvar yell "NEVER! I WILL NEVER SERVE YOOOUUUUUU" is seared into my very soul
Good times, man.
This and "I remember you... In the mountains!"
@@samuru101 Oh my god yes 🤣 Burned into my dna. My kids will pop out quoting this 🤣
In the end you will ALL serve me.
i remember the first time we beat him. i cried. so much invested in the story. such a let down for everything that came after.
I haven't watched your videos for a while, and now that I'm watching this, I remember why I love them
I didnt realize you were still doing WoW lore vids Nobbel. Kinda nice to see....especially for Wrath, since I started in cata.
im so glad you are making these videos, its like picking a book from a library ive been watching for years
I love the usage of non-reforged version of war3.
still sad that Jaina and Arthus never got a scene after his defeat. was a wasted opportunity. Song/parady by Charm does it justice.
This expansion got me into wow, and it's getting me back now. I couldn't be happier
cant wait to hear CITIZENS OF DALARAN
Arthas' story was the reason i started that game and Wotlk will always be a unique exp on every aspect of it! But after so many years and especially after what they did with Arthas in SL i just cant watch anymore, no matter how much i like them, any video about Wotlk lore etc... It just hurts when i bring in mind the current state of story.
WoW used to be a very easy to follow story and that’s what I enjoyed most. Now we have half written narratives that take 3 expansions to cover, and no attempt at making new interesting characters. The lich king is my favorite video game villain by far. Sylvanas and the jailer just make me sad compared to what WoW used to do well at
Love your videos, thanks for the service! Arfas makes me lol everytime, though.
Yes, thank you so much. I have been waiting and hoping for this. I watched some of your other videos recently to refresh on Wrath but I was hoping for a new overview.
Pretty much a complete scrub when it comes to WoW, but I’m planning on playing Wrath classic to hopefully experience some of the good things I’ve heard of Wrath through the years. And I have to say, the two dialogue lines at 21:19 have made me extremely hype for no particular reason
So sad that Danusser turned Arthas into 35 anima that banished like a hot fart in the air.
PS: What surprises does that master writer have in store for us I'm "Dragonlands"? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
looks like blizzard and steve danuser did nothing wrong since arthas is not evil and villain anymore he's just a pawn and victim brainwashed.
And it was all part of the Jailer's plan.
the Golden Peak of Classic, before it would eventually fall from grace.
I loved the early story development, especially when you get the moment of realization of what's going on and what happened, like Muradin Bronzebeard storyline in the storm peaks, which as of this comment, I'm playing through, though their in game story telling has made great strides, not all of the story is there, but in books or other media, which is unfortunate, rather than other media adding onto existing story through other perspectives of the characters - hence why Pyromancer left us, kappa :(
Hey, so cool to see that you still do lore vids. I used to watch them as a teen and you made me get deeper into the background lore to the game and a whole new universe opened before my eyes :D You animated me to do the loremaster achievement and to read the quest logs and all that. Brought some WoW novels, especially the "Rise of the Lich King" was my favorite. Prior to that it was just farming xp, grinding inis etc., but then I started to interest me more into the world. Like, whats the story behind this ruin i am doing this quest right now in, and things like that^^
I cant wait to play Wrath again, TBC has been fun. but so hyped for Wrath!
"This pear, so delicious." Captions are so funny
Can't wait for the Wrath streams! :P
"This pear, so delicious" in the subtitles had me CRYING
Can you do a short or a video about High General Abbendis? I just dunno why she's so important and figured you may have an idea :)
dropped at the peak of the hype man Nobbel best
The content that reminds me of when I couldn't find enough time to play WoW, man that feels so long ago. 😓
The Storm Peaks. The most perfect zone for brooding and/or sulking.
Great Video Lore !🔥💪
@ 3:10, make sure you have CC on.
I felt SO BAD when i played WC3 and Arthas took Frostmourne and knocks Muradin out...
"This pear... so delicious". Killed me.
A large part of the problem with modern WoW is the story telling. BFA felt disjointed, like two different expansions smashed into one. We had to wait until the next expansion to find out the motivation behind the Sylvanas part of the story, and even then it was extremely lacking and poorly put together. Shadowlands was short on story, and not all of the storytelling was cohesive. Arden weald was beautiful, and the questing told an overall story, but what did any of it have to do with the story of the expansion?? And someone remind me what the motivation behind the Jailer's actions were again?
I actually love the "Boring Tundra" way more than Howling Fjord, am I the only one? :D
It has its own charms. It's very bleak and lives up to its name, being tundra and all. Quest-wise I prefer the Tundra, design-wise I prefer the Fjord.
The intro music is sooo good
I still get chills with the WC3 Arthas VA. Still a shame they wouldn't pay him his worth for WoW
Oh boy, I can't wait to fight The Jailer, Lich King true master!
Love ur videos Nobbel!
Speaking of Anub'Rekhan makes me think of Anub'arak. Wasn't that guy suppose to be a powerful badass? Like a real formidable pain in the ass for the Lich King causing him to put all of his effort into defeating Anub'arak? It's kind of a shame he's just a random boss in a regular 5 man dungeon....
Well, he came back for Trial of the Crusader, but Anub'arak had been more on the sidelines in general.
Best expansion, the peak of WoW. Not just Lich King, but I really liked the Malygos and Ulduar storylines as well.
I had barely started playing back then, and I'm kind of sad that I didn't get to discover Northrend and Wrath's lore and story with prior knowledge and context, because this expac was peak Warcraft in all the right ways.
We might've hit new gameplay highs and expanded the game in good ways after that, but I don't think any version of WoW ever felt as right in its feel, world building, lore *delivery*, story, characters, plot beats and atmosphere.
We got huge lore building reveals that explained a lot yet only made the canon feel bigger and more mysterious; we got familiar and new characters having interesting arcs and plots in every moment and corners; and we got big hype/emotional moments that were earned and had lasting impact.
It makes me want to replay every Northrend questline on Retail or keep up with Wrath Classic through the Patches, but I can't help the feeling that it just wouldn't be as good with modern canon/lore context in mind, it might soil it all - I'm tempted to leave it undisturbed in my memories as I experienced it through my young teens...
I feel the lore is not as exciting as it was back then - as someone mentioned - the writing was good then. They also had a TON of stuff they could use from Warcraft 3 yet - which seemed to pack a SHIT TON of stuff that could then be used to fuel soooo mannnny expansion! Blizz should have ended WoW at Legion, made a Warcraft 4 to introduce more lore/storylines/history/etc, and then they could have built a brand new engine for WoW, call it "WoW 2" and use Warcraft 4 as to fuel more expansion. /2cents (didnt' meant to write so much, love your lore vids, dude!)
Exactly what I was looking for (:
'Let them come!
FROSTMOURNE HUNGERS!'
Literal chills....
They should do what ifs for the next rounds of classic. So where the lich king attacked ulduar or something, and seeing the war between those two.
Lmao, subtitles say "This Pear, so delicious." @3:09
still boggles my mind how hollywood cant see this story
How old was Arthas when he sets off on his epic journey and how old was he when we took him down?
At the events of Warcraft 3 Arthas was a prince, so I guess he was quite young. World of Warcraft released 4 years after the events of the expansion The frozen throne and many staff happened before the Lich King was awaken (the opening of the Dark Portal and the Burning crusade). So I guess aproximately 15 or 20 years lorewise passed from the merging of Arthas with the Lich King till the day he was destroyed. That means Arthas is about 35 - 40 years old when he dies.
@@Venakis1 bullshit.
@@jonwelsh4354 You've got some solid arguments.
@@Venakis1 thank you. A quick Google search would confirm that you were chatting shit, mate.
@@jonwelsh4354 I was chatting my calculations, it seems Arthas was like 24 years at Warcraft 3 and he died as Lich King at 31 years old. I said he was probably 35-40 when he died. Not so bad.
Some of the scenes that you show in the video, are some of them from machinimas?
To me, it certainly looks so. Like from 11:54.
Or are they cutscenes from the game?
I think once or twice he uses machinimas (not entirely certain, but 8:09 and 16:27 seems like it).
However, 11:54, that you are talking about, was official promotion material used back in the day.
They may very well have used machinima methods though.
the scene from 11:54 was used in blizzcon by blizzard as a presentation for the expantion i think
Think it might've been a mistake to kill off arthas? I mean at that point he was less a character and more an integral part of the setting overall. The scourge has never been the overwhelming scary force it was since without him. Just knowing he was still around during classic just gave the experience an extra level of depth. Knowing you'd encounter him In some shape or form.
thanks for the video!
New lore series, deep dive zone by zone?
I started in 05 halfway through vanilla, but never cared about the lore until warath. Man, those were good days.
could u do a video of each section of azeroth. like what value it has for the horde and alliance and what purpose it has for a story
Respect for the OG warcraft 3
Wow has an amazing lore and almost every character has a detailed backstory, sad blizzard fucked it up so bad.
RUclips CC is hilarious. "This pear... So delicious."
Canon wise, who win the airship assault boss? wo reah the top of Icecrown and help Tirion in his fight? Or was the air ship fight note canon or something?
World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Queue Times
Why in the world was "destructible buildings" a notable feature?
wotlk, the peak of wow for sure. gd old days.
2:42 this man is level 92
Absolutely peak WoW. Cataclysm wasn't bad, but everything after feels completely uninspired. Pure cashgrab these days.
So wait the lichking was a tool of the jailer and the dreadlords are made by denathrius and/or the jailer to serve. So why is a dreadlord helping inventing a plague to hurt/kill arthas and the undead?
Love how we killed 2 dragons, an avatar of the old gods, and a demon overlord. Yet the whole world was afraid of one angsty boi and his spooky skelly skeletons. (And after that we just smacked another avatar of the old gods and some keepers for good measurement)
+howling fjord was one giant red flag i missed when it comes to the blight betrayel at the warthgate.
When Arthas got Frostmourne and came back, why was he fighting everyone?
It was mentioned he killed his father, fought Sylvanas and so on, but why?
Frostmourne was part of ner'zhul, the OG lich King. During the events of warcraft 1 and 2 Ner'zhul became an incredible powerful but tortured soul who want nothing but pain, suffering and death upon all living things. Being trapped in icecrown, ner'zhul saw Arthas as a perfect champion to corrupt and carry out his will. Highly reccoment watching Nobbel's videos on Ner'zhul and on Arthas. They give a good perspective of why Ner'zhul became so evil and why Arthas was so easily corrupted
@@Zedigan Thank you! So Arthas wielding Frostmourne corrupted his mind and that's why he fighted against everyone?
@@real-oppenheimer Yes ner'zuhl basically possessed/mastered Arthas. Arthas became a twisted dark being.
A tale of how seeking power at all costs, even for a good cause (defeating mal ganis), can lead to ruin/corruption/destruction.
@@real-oppenheimer pretty much, again I highly reccomend watching Nobbel's video series of Ner'zuhl and series on Arthas. One of the best written parts of the warcraft universe
@@Zedigan Thanks, I just watched the first part, really great.
Hey bro Nobble ur awesome have a good day
I feel that Tirion Fordring was the real hero of wow, he is what players should of been. It was a damn shame that he was not brought back as a death knight in Legion, stopped by Lady Liadrin, perhaps because paladins obtained his weapon, but I feel he would of done a service without it. Even if he diden't wish to become a death knight, he could of done a lot more in the grand scheme of things in which his prior efforts shared, to defeat the legion and restore peace and justice, still could of done so as a death knight. He would of been under Bolvar again.
Wrath was the absolute peak of mmorpg gaming. I will fight anyone who dares say otherwise.
Me pretending this is the current wow expansion.
Here we go again! Grobulus-Horde-name: Morjac. Hit me up!
See you in the Tundra boys!
The lore was so much better...
Ok, but if Northrend is so damn cold, why the fuck are blood elves, for example, dressed like it's the middle of Summer?
loved the lore my favourite are the void elfs and night elfs
and blood elfs and the rest of the elves I really like elfs
Soooooo epic thx for vid
Very disappointed that when you say revelation in the intro you didn't imitate Drakuru.
What's retail?
Bruh video says the classic story. The shadowland is not the classic story. It is the revised verison
In a lot of ways, this truly was the last true WoW expansion... as everything since has been... hot garbage comparatively.
Now this is some good shit
Actually the stories following Wrath, including Catacylsm, has been weak.
I love it how I made a ticket about an Error to blizzard I couldn't get fixed with battle net and they havent answered for 3 days. :))))))
I wish Microsoft will resurrect this IP as a console game. I know...consoles
*NEW DANCES*
I’m playing this game for 2 weeks and all I know is that boars and bandits or kobolds are bad so I need to kill them.
Vanilla through WotLK was the best WoW
isnt this just the story of wrath of the lick king? Same as its been for past 14 years lmao
WoW and Blizzard have a lot of problems, but superb lore and incredible cinematic are not one of them
this could've been a longer video you half assed it wtf lol
The cadence of the video maker's voice is weird. Try not to put so much dramatic inflection on your words, just tell the story.