no treinen OR vesia is crazy considering their consistency, run prevention, pure stuff, and K ability. I'm not totally sure how evan phillips can be considered better than them rn
@@mcd3952 He had a 0 era in the playoffs and a 1.74 era in the regular season. He only gave up 10 hits in the last 3 MONTHS of the year, including only 2 in 5.1 innings in the postseason. His xba was 157 in the 99th percentile. His savant page is littered in red and not only that, he is a dog and seems to pitch better when the lights are the brightest. I love Marc, but he says this is about "more than era" then uses era on some but misses really good savant players like Vesia. I get that he throws 93 but that fastball is the lowest expected batting average in baseball (min 150) he had a phenomenal year and was an unsung hero from August on.
@chris.w4767 lmao glazing a RP with a 3.5 FIP is certainly a choice. Look at his career PS numbers. Just because he didn’t give up a run in the 3 innings he pitched doesn’t make him top 30
tyler holton is a big miss not having him on here. he’s been incredible for the tigers. 2.30 era over 179 innings the past two years as only a reliever/opener. he also finished 15th in mvp voting last year. lowkey insane how holton is never talked about after how good he’s been especially with the amount of innings he gets out of the pen
Right? The dude threw almost 100 innings as a reliever! That is the starting pitcher equivalent of like 250, it just doesn’t happen anymore! Big miss on that one.
ryan walker was an absolute dawg for my giants last year, totally deserves to be on this list after singlehandedly saving camilo dovals career by taking over that closer spot
Mark talks about having a less results-based approach and weighing stuff/sabermetrics more heavily. Helsley had a great year, but his best stat was saves. Compare that to someone like Mason Miller who is just so nasty (with wild baseball savant numbers) and it's really not close
Mark. Make the list ranking the bullpens in baseball and then give quick discussions about their best pitchers. It keeps it simple and it makes it more fun for teams like the Tigers. Who have a great bullpen but no 1 guy.
@@GiraffeNeckMarcto much volatility in the pens. You won’t know who has a good pen bc FA isn’t close to over by Xmas. Seems premature to rate the teams.
And he’s not on here. 2nd highest WAR of all relievers since the start of 2023. Being a Tigers fan is exhausting. Just want our players to be recognized
@@DeeptocenterAgreed. Some of our players are criminally underrated. Not saying Vest and Beau should be on here, but they should be recognized too. Vest became a go to relief guy during the playoff run, and Beau really stepped it up during the run as well.
Pretty crazy how no Tigers reliever is on here considering it’s the unit that that the team basically weaponized as an asset en route to their hot streak that got them in the playoffs. Holton should absolutely be on here and I think Brieske could have a case too
Porter Hodge had in 39 Games a 3-1 Win Loss Record, a 1.88 ERA, 43.0 Innings Pitched, with 52 Strike Outs, and a 0.88 WHIP. Porter Hodge not being rated is wild Come on.🐻⚾
I think since he played so little and it was his first season he wasn’t on here, but I was just about to comment that hodge will definitely be on this list next year. He is a rising star
Huge respect for Puk. I honestly thought he wasnt going to be in when we got into the top 10. He saved our closer situation from Paul Sewald and was so lethal.
Ryan Helsley beats the all time Cardinal save record and wins Reliever of the Year and he is only 10??? Dude, hes better than Puk maybe even Edwin, give him 5 at least
Hes number 2 debatedly number 1 because clase blew up in the playoffs. He mightve legitimately got close to or broke the all time saves record for a single season if he played on a better team
Just to add to the Luke Weaver love, in the post season he had an ERA of 1.76 over 15.1 innings with a WHIP of 0.65 Dude is an absolute psycho, and I feel bad for any team that has to face him and Devin Williams going into the 8th and 9th innings for 2025
all his rankings have been garbage, you can see the little effort he puts into them and the lack of research in each position. He put Mcneil above Turang in the second base ranking, it's a joke.
His rankings are mostly for the upcoming 2025 season and a 37 year old with not a ton of innings over the past 3 years is not really the greatest arm you would want although he has looked fantastic over the 50 innings he has pitched
@@thatguypaul9711 Not foley, nor beau, but if beau improves like he did last here, he could be on the list for sure. Maybe even add vest if he gets better
I understand that, but he was the driving force of our bullpen, which carried us to our world series and how about Alex Vesia who was amazing as well. @GiraffeNeckMarc
Dodgers biased. Trienen was clutch in the postseason and was incredible. Like come on man. I was hoping he would be at least top 20. Vesia not being in here is fine, but Trienen has so much more control than Kopech. Kopech has major control problems. Trienen was stable under pressure, and got out of jams. He’s top 20 in my heart. Probably like 18
Hes got better stats then almost beyond above him, more saves, broke a cardinals record and got reliever of the year should definitely be higher than 10
i feel like justin slaten should be at least at the 30 spot. he had a great year out of nowhere when the red sox took him out of the rule 5 draft from last year. 2.93 era and a 1.01 whip, not bad. he also has lots of red on his baseball savant page. but good job marc! love the videos!
Glad to see Ryan Walker getting some love. I think he may actually deserve to be higher, but that will probably come with multiple seasons sustaining a high level
Having Helsey at 10 is crazy, he should be 2 debatedly 1. Hes got a higher war more saves and lower ERA then most of the pitchers above him, got 49/53 saves and would have the best stats without 1 bad outing. He had 2 full months with 0 ERA. He had the most saves mightve legitimately broken the saves in a single season record if he played on a better team. Got reliever of the year and broke a cardinals record
Thank you for the Smith respect. As you got more towards the top of the list, I got scared, but I'm glad you got him at 3. I do think Tim Herrin and Hunter Gaddis should be on here, but I'll forgive you since you had Smith.
Happy for Uceta, dude was a top 2 pitching prospect in the Dodgers system years ago and sucked big time as a starter for them, happy to see him finally figure it out and be nasty
Yeah bro I know Edwin is filthy, but him being at number 4 is just bullshit, and the fact that Helsley, Williams, and Bautista as well as a few others that are lower than him just feels wrong. Edwin's not horrible by any stretch, but for right now I don't think he's better than the ones I just listed.
Good list but I would have like to see Justin Martinez from the Diamondbacks on here. If you like nasty stuff, he’s basically one of the best elite guys out there. We’re talking 102 fastball/sinkers and a devastating slider. Only problem with him has always been the walks, control, and his composure on the mound but I guarantee you’ll know this guys name next season if you don’t already. Nasty
@@TheRealBatBoyAlive around the top 30 in fWAR since 2023, I just couldn’t fit him on the list based on what I value more going into next year as a RP. He’s awesome though!
@@Chance_2018 exactly, Iglesias K rate has dropped for the 4th straight season. Production wise he’s awesome but true RP rankings I don’t think he profiles as a top 5 guy at all
Agree how you have a guy in the top 4 as a relief pitcher with an ERA over 3 tells me all I need to know about your takes that’s insane to have that guy as a top 4 relief pitcher come on dude I know your a Mets fan but that’s complete blasphemy
Notice how THREE of these guys (Adam, Megill, Estrada) are former Cubs who we couldn’t develop and gave up on. We have such an inability to develop pitching and it’s so frustrating.
Yennier Cano not being on here is just unacceptable. Over the past 2 seasons, 6th most games, 15th best era, 30th best fip, 15th xfip, been the best relief pitcher over the past two seasons for the team with the 3rd best record over the past two seasons, just completely unbelievable he was robbed.
He was close to making the list, so i dont disagree he could have very easily deserved a spot on here. I just didnt love the jump in walk rate last year and the non elite level of K rate
@GiraffeNeckMarc I do suppose that makes sense. I would also have to say that as an Orioles fan, he is tremendous in setup roles, but when he has to close the game out, he does struggle
Maybe I’m being a biased Yankees fan, but I think Tim Hill deserves to be at least near the bottom of the top 30 just because he was absolutely disgusting in the playoffs. I think he had like a 1.2 ERA in the playoffs or something around that
all his rankings have been garbage, you can see the little effort he puts into them and the lack of research in each position. He put Mcneil above Turang in the second base ranking, it's a joke.
I know they peaked during the postseason, but nevertheless, one of the most dominant relief pitchers performance in the postseason and only one guy on the list from the Dodgers?? No Treinen, Vesia, Phillip...
Honorable mentions Carlos Estevez Ben Joyce David Bednar Kyle finnegan Aroldis Chapman Peter Fairbanks Jordan Romano Chad green Yennier cano Alexis Diaz Justin Martinez Porter hodge Kenley Jansen Jose Leclerc James McArthur Tyler holton Jason foley Tim hill
Giraffe neck Marc not putting Ben Joyce on here is absurd. So what the team he is on isn’t good, look at his stats (particularly his splitter/sinker and the outs he recorded with that pitch(es). Terrible that he isn’t on here
Very tough to rate relievers so I think criticism should be kept to a minimum here. I don’t really agree with one year wonder types like Kopech, Uceta, the Mets guy, being rated so high, but again very hard to judge. They are so fickle.
No Holton is crazy. Dude has about 180 innings of sub 2.20 ERA the last 2 seasons combined. He can go multiple innings or lock down a save. Not a high K rate guy but still insanely valuable
Tigers have one of the most insane pitching runs in recent history to cause one of the most insane playoff appearances in history period and you don't put a single Tiger on the list? No Will Vest, no Jason Foley, not even Tyler mfin Holton??? Absolutely crazy.
@@GiraffeNeckMarc hes giving you 90 innings with a 2 era and you said in the video that if a reliever strikes out everyone it doesnt matter how many times they walk a guy shouldnt it be the other way around too because he doesnt walk anyone so his k rate shouldnt matter? The guy even got mvp votes in a stacked AL
@@ethanneubecker he was close to making the list, this is my rankings and I prefer the guys with major swing and miss stuff personally is only reason. It’s not a shot at the quality of player he is
@@GiraffeNeckMarc i respect your decision but cant say i agree. Sorry if that came off s rude just very passionate about my gritty tigs. Im a big fan though keep up the great work. But you nest believe if tarik skubal doesnt at least make top 5 for starters there will be serious repercussions
no treinen OR vesia is crazy considering their consistency, run prevention, pure stuff, and K ability. I'm not totally sure how evan phillips can be considered better than them rn
Vesia and TREINEN not being here is wild
And Banda
I’m a dodgers fan but Vesia is definently not top 30. Maybe top 50 if you are really generous
@@mcd3952 He had a 0 era in the playoffs and a 1.74 era in the regular season. He only gave up 10 hits in the last 3 MONTHS of the year, including only 2 in 5.1 innings in the postseason. His xba was 157 in the 99th percentile. His savant page is littered in red and not only that, he is a dog and seems to pitch better when the lights are the brightest. I love Marc, but he says this is about "more than era" then uses era on some but misses really good savant players like Vesia. I get that he throws 93 but that fastball is the lowest expected batting average in baseball (min 150) he had a phenomenal year and was an unsung hero from August on.
@@mcd3952 then you probably weren’t watching, vesia had had insane stuff
@@mcd3952bro was not watching the games
No Blake Treinen OR Alex Vesia in here is hilarious, arguably some of the top arms in the game
I’d rather have Walker or Doval because the stuff is so nasty
Stop glazing losers
Glazing those losers is certainly a choice. Vesia sucks in the postseason. No dog
@overpwnage18 lol vesia and treinen didn't give up a run in the postseason bud, no clue which vesia or treinen you were watching 💀
@chris.w4767 lmao glazing a RP with a 3.5 FIP is certainly a choice. Look at his career PS numbers. Just because he didn’t give up a run in the 3 innings he pitched doesn’t make him top 30
alex vesia disrespect is so common now i expected him not to be here but no treinen? thats actually insane
tyler holton is a big miss not having him on here. he’s been incredible for the tigers. 2.30 era over 179 innings the past two years as only a reliever/opener. he also finished 15th in mvp voting last year. lowkey insane how holton is never talked about after how good he’s been especially with the amount of innings he gets out of the pen
was going to talk about this as well. Not being a top 12 on this list (at least, Id say Top 6 personally) is just criminal.
His whip is even more impressive. Shows this guy doesn’t know ball
Right? The dude threw almost 100 innings as a reliever! That is the starting pitcher equivalent of like 250, it just doesn’t happen anymore! Big miss on that one.
Came here to comment this.
The only reason I watched this was to see where Holton was at lmao I got to the top 5 and was like no way….. 😂😂😂😂
I dont know but I would take Treinen or Vesia over a lot of these guys
I was abt to comment this
Bias Dodger fan, but Vesia and Treinen should've both been on here.
Treinen didnt even pitch 50 innings, doesnt deserve to be on the list
@@cartoonclips3711brother he put Bautista in the top 10 who didnt even pitch lats yr
ryan walker was an absolute dawg for my giants last year, totally deserves to be on this list after singlehandedly saving camilo dovals career by taking over that closer spot
Yooo a giants fan!😂
Yeah, he was amazing
@@SportsThings99 dude i’m the resident giants fan in marc’s comment section 😭
Definitely, he’s a stud. I got to see him strike out 3 a’s in a row to get out of a bases loaded no one out jam in August live.
Wait why isnt he. Doval was demoted????
Everything that went wrong:
No TREINEN, Vesia, Justin Martinez, and Holton
Robert Suarez and Iglesias way too low
Everything else in this video
Helsley winning reliever of the year and being 10 is crazy
On that note, look at Julio jokingly trying not to get out.
Mark talks about having a less results-based approach and weighing stuff/sabermetrics more heavily. Helsley had a great year, but his best stat was saves. Compare that to someone like Mason Miller who is just so nasty (with wild baseball savant numbers) and it's really not close
@@henryfrasca8285 it literally is? Helsley literally beat Miller in terms of pitching run value
That award means nothing. Stop glazing losers
Mark. Make the list ranking the bullpens in baseball and then give quick discussions about their best pitchers. It keeps it simple and it makes it more fun for teams like the Tigers. Who have a great bullpen but no 1 guy.
@@N1phty good critique, I’ll consider that for next season
I love that idea
@@GiraffeNeckMarc.off-season
??? 👀
That’s a good idea but then it’d be the only video not ranking players and I like to see the players get ranked maybe he could mix in both
@@GiraffeNeckMarcto much volatility in the pens. You won’t know who has a good pen bc FA isn’t close to over by Xmas. Seems premature to rate the teams.
Big misses are Blake Trinen. Alex Vesia, and Tyler Holton
and Hunter Gaddis. Tim Herrin should be on the cusp too
Trenien or Vesia ?
Commenting at the beginning of the video to say Tyler Holton better be on here, will be back to check in after the video
And he’s not on here. 2nd highest WAR of all relievers since the start of 2023. Being a Tigers fan is exhausting. Just want our players to be recognized
thank you for saving me 20 min, statistically he is top 10 sense 2022
@@DeeptocenterAgreed. Some of our players are criminally underrated. Not saying Vest and Beau should be on here, but they should be recognized too. Vest became a go to relief guy during the playoff run, and Beau really stepped it up during the run as well.
Pretty crazy how no Tigers reliever is on here considering it’s the unit that that the team basically weaponized as an asset en route to their hot streak that got them in the playoffs. Holton should absolutely be on here and I think Brieske could have a case too
i can’t believe he’s not on here. terrible.
And that is why Edwin Diaz will break the single season save record next year, winning the Cy Young and MVP for the World Series champion Mets.
Porter Hodge had in 39 Games a 3-1 Win Loss Record, a 1.88 ERA, 43.0 Innings Pitched, with 52 Strike Outs, and a 0.88 WHIP. Porter Hodge not being rated is wild Come on.🐻⚾
I think since he played so little and it was his first season he wasn’t on here, but I was just about to comment that hodge will definitely be on this list next year. He is a rising star
I love that you recognized Cade smith but I personally think hunter gaddis should be up here, but tbh that goes for half of the guardians bullpen 😂
personally I'd slot Herrin and Gaddis in here around 20 and 12 respectively. that pen was gas.
I agree 100%. Our bullpen was lights out this year.
Huge respect for Puk. I honestly thought he wasnt going to be in when we got into the top 10. He saved our closer situation from Paul Sewald and was so lethal.
Ryan Helsley beats the all time Cardinal save record and wins Reliever of the Year and he is only 10??? Dude, hes better than Puk maybe even Edwin, give him 5 at least
Hes number 2 debatedly number 1 because clase blew up in the playoffs. He mightve legitimately got close to or broke the all time saves record for a single season if he played on a better team
This guy just hates the cardinals
@@masonator116 Cardinal Nation has to rise and take over 😂
Just to add to the Luke Weaver love, in the post season he had an ERA of 1.76 over 15.1 innings with a WHIP of 0.65
Dude is an absolute psycho, and I feel bad for any team that has to face him and Devin Williams going into the 8th and 9th innings for 2025
ferando cruz will be sneaky nastyy and a good setup if they get him to develop his cutter
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Bro where is Blake Treinen ???
I commented the same thing. Blasphemous
all his rankings have been garbage, you can see the little effort he puts into them and the lack of research in each position.
He put Mcneil above Turang in the second base ranking, it's a joke.
He says he wants K rates, whiff rates and chase rates etc then ignores Trienan who is a beast in those
im a bias dodger fan but I think that Blake trained sweeper makes him get on this list
His sweeper is absolutely filthy, he almost made the list!
@@GiraffeNeckMarc He is a top 5 reliever. Look at the numbers
@@thomasburry5680 he’s throw 50 innings since 2021 and will be 37 next season. He had debate for top 30, not top 5
@@thomasburry5680 no he isnt even close
Tyler Holton, 2 full years of dominance and finished T-15 in AL MVP voting for 2024, he better be somewhere on here! Will report back after watching
I am sorry to disappoint you he didnt make the cut, he was close!
I didn't believe you about the MVP things but I looked it up and what do you know. That's actually crazy
@@GiraffeNeckMarcstill great video overall! I’ll be here to preach for him on next years video if he keeps it up in 2025 too!
@nathan1678 haha I was a bit surprised he got a 10th place vote myself as well, but he technically did!
@@GiraffeNeckMarcunlike you Mets biased sob and known to not be huge on a good tigers team.
No Blake Treinen? I agree Kopech should be on there, but Blake was relied on more than Kopech…. Particularly in the playoffs.
His rankings are mostly for the upcoming 2025 season and a 37 year old with not a ton of innings over the past 3 years is not really the greatest arm you would want although he has looked fantastic over the 50 innings he has pitched
no tyler holton is funny. got an mvp vote.
As a tigers fan I 100% agree maybe add Foley or Beau as well.
@@thatguypaul9711 Not foley, nor beau, but if beau improves like he did last here, he could be on the list for sure. Maybe even add vest if he gets better
Glazing losers is a choice
Ben Joyce is going to be on this list next year
He should've been top 5 on this one
No Treinen is crazy
@@Jaybobmcgee04 stuff was not good last year his slider is the only + pitch. Worried about a 37 year old reliever with 50 innings in last 3 seasons
I understand that, but he was the driving force of our bullpen, which carried us to our world series and how about Alex Vesia who was amazing as well. @GiraffeNeckMarc
@@GiraffeNeckMarcah so a sub 2 era isn’t good, gotcha
@@threepea1151 who said it isn’t good? You realize RP is the position with the most players in MLB? Not making top 30 doesn’t mean not good
Dodgers biased. Trienen was clutch in the postseason and was incredible. Like come on man. I was hoping he would be at least top 20. Vesia not being in here is fine, but Trienen has so much more control than Kopech. Kopech has major control problems. Trienen was stable under pressure, and got out of jams. He’s top 20 in my heart. Probably like 18
Ryan Helsley at 10 is THE most criminal take that this guy has ever had even after fan boying every Mets player
Ryan Helsley at 10 is crazy by the way
Switch him and Edwin Diaz
Cubs own him
Hes got better stats then almost beyond above him, more saves, broke a cardinals record and got reliever of the year should definitely be higher than 10
Luke Weaver at 22 is criminal
The Iglesias disrespect is insane.
Should be at least 3 dodgers on this list do this over
if tyler holton was a met he would be top 5
Vesia or Treinen not on here is criminal.
crazy dodgers bias
i feel like justin slaten should be at least at the 30 spot. he had a great year out of nowhere when the red sox took him out of the rule 5 draft from last year. 2.93 era and a 1.01 whip, not bad. he also has lots of red on his baseball savant page. but good job marc! love the videos!
Glad to see Ryan Walker getting some love. I think he may actually deserve to be higher, but that will probably come with multiple seasons sustaining a high level
Big De La Cruz fan, but seeing him in this a million times was funny af
Having Helsey at 10 is crazy, he should be 2 debatedly 1. Hes got a higher war more saves and lower ERA then most of the pitchers above him, got 49/53 saves and would have the best stats without 1 bad outing. He had 2 full months with 0 ERA. He had the most saves mightve legitimately broken the saves in a single season record if he played on a better team. Got reliever of the year and broke a cardinals record
Glad to see Ryan Walker get some love. He's the big reason we Giants fans aren't panicking about Doval being so terrible in 2024.
Tyler Holton not being on here should be a crime
Thank you for the Smith respect. As you got more towards the top of the list, I got scared, but I'm glad you got him at 3. I do think Tim Herrin and Hunter Gaddis should be on here, but I'll forgive you since you had Smith.
Happy for Uceta, dude was a top 2 pitching prospect in the Dodgers system years ago and sucked big time as a starter for them, happy to see him finally figure it out and be nasty
0:29 top 30 pitchers in starting baseball😂
No Porter Hodge is absolutely nuts, one of the better relievers in the national league and he wasn't even projected to be in the majors this year
Raisel at 21??? After being one of the best relievers in the whole league for the last 3 years??? Your Braves hate and Mets bias shows
Ryan Walker at 20 is a CRIME he is soooo underrated
And that’s why Edwin Diaz will win the next 8 Cy Young’s
Yeah bro I know Edwin is filthy, but him being at number 4 is just bullshit, and the fact that Helsley, Williams, and Bautista as well as a few others that are lower than him just feels wrong. Edwin's not horrible by any stretch, but for right now I don't think he's better than the ones I just listed.
Putting Luke Weaver in the 22nd spot, is an absolute sin! 100% with the numbers, and his performance makes him a top 10, 15 no lower.
Exactly this list ain’t based on facts but jus merely opinion
CADE SMITH AT 3 HOLY W
Good list but I would have like to see Justin Martinez from the Diamondbacks on here. If you like nasty stuff, he’s basically one of the best elite guys out there. We’re talking 102 fastball/sinkers and a devastating slider. Only problem with him has always been the walks, control, and his composure on the mound but I guarantee you’ll know this guys name next season if you don’t already. Nasty
The man throws a 102 mph sinker with a nasty splitter and he didn’t have him on this list somehow
@ yeah, missing Justin Martinez is a violation
The disrespect of Tyler Holton is insane
@TheRealBatBoyAlive Agreed, he's been dominating for the past two seasons.
@@TheRealBatBoyAlive around the top 30 in fWAR since 2023, I just couldn’t fit him on the list based on what I value more going into next year as a RP. He’s awesome though!
He is not an objective journalist, my friend, he is completely impartial and guided by his own personal taste.
@@GiraffeNeckMarc he got a MVP vote for crying out loud
@ so did Ryan Tepera in 2020, Daniel Bard in 2022. One vote by random writer in Toronto isn’t something I care about too much
Raisel Iglesias add number 21 is just mad. He is a top five reliever in baseball this season.
Exactly. He was literally incredible. Probably the second best reliever behind clase. I mean 0.7 whip is literally mind-blowing
Probably cause his K rate
@@Chance_2018 exactly, Iglesias K rate has dropped for the 4th straight season. Production wise he’s awesome but true RP rankings I don’t think he profiles as a top 5 guy at all
He is not an objective journalist, my friend, he is completely impartial and guided by his own personal taste.
Agree how you have a guy in the top 4 as a relief pitcher with an ERA over 3 tells me all I need to know about your takes that’s insane to have that guy as a top 4 relief pitcher come on dude I know your a Mets fan but that’s complete blasphemy
Thank you for giving my guy AJ Puk some credit. My Dbacks got so much hate for that trade but he’s phenomenal.
He gave Puk his credit but somehow didn’t have Martinez on this list
Marc still mad about the Dodgers ejecting the Mets that he purposely "forgot" Vesia and Treinen
Facts
Notice how THREE of these guys (Adam, Megill, Estrada) are former Cubs who we couldn’t develop and gave up on. We have such an inability to develop pitching and it’s so frustrating.
Yennier Cano not being on here is just unacceptable. Over the past 2 seasons, 6th most games, 15th best era, 30th best fip, 15th xfip, been the best relief pitcher over the past two seasons for the team with the 3rd best record over the past two seasons, just completely unbelievable he was robbed.
He was close to making the list, so i dont disagree he could have very easily deserved a spot on here. I just didnt love the jump in walk rate last year and the non elite level of K rate
@GiraffeNeckMarc I do suppose that makes sense. I would also have to say that as an Orioles fan, he is tremendous in setup roles, but when he has to close the game out, he does struggle
@ he’s really good, there’s usually 3-4 good RP on every team so this was genuinely the hardest list to make of the whole series
7:55 NO SHOT hes easily top 5 i dont care what anyone says
Agree
Hey mark, I was just wondering if hunter gaddis was close to getting top 30?
Where is Alex Vesia. He is definitely a top 30 reliever and same is Treinen
So where is Blake treinen?
BLAKE TRIENEN NOT MAKING THIS INFURIATES ME
Jason Adam deserves some love
Was hoping to see Justin Martinez sneak onto the list, his savant page is crazy!
Fun fact… I played summer baseball with Griffin Jax’s twin brothers at Cherry Creek. Great family. All business all baseball!
I'm loving this Series right now 😊
EDWIN IS AT WHATTT HAHAHA
Holy bias
Agreed ridiculous
Utility players tier list
Defeats the whole purpose of 12 Days of Rankings
@@ramen_noodles4305agreed
Idk are there really enough of them? Most of them are probably not 162 game players so rankings would be hard
Hesley being at 10 is a highway robbery lmaondude is a top 5 lmao
How on earth is Helsley at 10 lol he was one of the best 5 relievers last year
He was fantastic, i think there are 9 better RP than him
no hodge or holton is kinda crazy
Treinen?
Tyler Holton and Jason Foley are criminally underrated.
Maybe I’m being a biased Yankees fan, but I think Tim Hill deserves to be at least near the bottom of the top 30 just because he was absolutely disgusting in the playoffs. I think he had like a 1.2 ERA in the playoffs or something around that
Ryan Walker at 20 is crazy
all his rankings have been garbage, you can see the little effort he puts into them and the lack of research in each position.
He put Mcneil above Turang in the second base ranking, it's a joke.
@ Mets bias or satire theres no other explanation for him having McNeil over Turang😂
No Justin Martinez is crazy. He’s one guy to be looking out for next year imo. Some of the nastiest stuff in the league
Y’all need to remember these are Marc’s predictions for 2025, not a ranking of how 2024 went
JOHAN DURAN AT 9 IS CRAZY A 0.2 WAR WITH A 6-9 WITH A 3.64 ERA ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND MARC
I know they peaked during the postseason, but nevertheless, one of the most dominant relief pitchers performance in the postseason and only one guy on the list from the Dodgers?? No Treinen, Vesia, Phillip...
As a Braves hater and Raisel hater, that dude went on one of the most incredible runs I have ever seen this year, no way he’s that low
As a Rangers fan it hurts more and more every day watching Emmanuel Clase 😔
How is Yates 16
Honorable mentions
Carlos Estevez
Ben Joyce
David Bednar
Kyle finnegan
Aroldis Chapman
Peter Fairbanks
Jordan Romano
Chad green
Yennier cano
Alexis Diaz
Justin Martinez
Porter hodge
Kenley Jansen
Jose Leclerc
James McArthur
Tyler holton
Jason foley
Tim hill
Half these relievers suck
Holton shouldn't be an honorable mention but we're dealing with a tigers hater who's mets biased
@@jcmerritt7717 that is why they are honorable mentions
Did not make top 30 they aren’t supposed to be top guys
Cade Smith love is appreciated. Only reason we made it as far as we did in the playoffs
Giraffe neck Marc not putting Ben Joyce on here is absurd. So what the team he is on isn’t good, look at his stats (particularly his splitter/sinker and the outs he recorded with that pitch(es). Terrible that he isn’t on here
"And that's why Clay Homes will be the 2025 NL Cy Young Award winner."
UM… WHERE IS JUSTIN MARTINEZ???? BRO HAS THE BEST SPLITTER IN BASEBALL
Very tough to rate relievers so I think criticism should be kept to a minimum here. I don’t really agree with one year wonder types like Kopech, Uceta, the Mets guy, being rated so high, but again very hard to judge. They are so fickle.
Basically saying you would prefer having AJ Puk in your bullpen over Felix Bautista is insane
And that’s why the Mets will sign tanner scott and trade for Josh Hader and together will win the next 10 World Series.
Bro these need to stop 😂
Tommy edman has entered the chat
tyler holton robbed
I HAVEN’T EVEN STARTED THE VIDEO YET BUT IF PORTER HODGE ISN’T ON THIS LIST
REAL
You’re gonna want to sit down for this. We’re about to have a sad cubs fan talk
Porter Hodge is not on the list.
@@nerdcubs4237 it’s sad
Tyler Holton is a top 5 reliever in all of baseball. He does more than majority of these guys.
And that’s why Edwin Diaz will break every single relievers record, winning the CY Young, MVP, and World Series MVP in the process.
No Holton is crazy. Dude has about 180 innings of sub 2.20 ERA the last 2 seasons combined. He can go multiple innings or lock down a save. Not a high K rate guy but still insanely valuable
Tigers have one of the most insane pitching runs in recent history to cause one of the most insane playoff appearances in history period and you don't put a single Tiger on the list? No Will Vest, no Jason Foley, not even Tyler mfin Holton??? Absolutely crazy.
what happened to blake trienen?
not having Tyler Holton on here is a travesty
21% K rate just doesnt crack top 30 for me. He is fantastic though, he was very close!
@@GiraffeNeckMarc hes giving you 90 innings with a 2 era and you said in the video that if a reliever strikes out everyone it doesnt matter how many times they walk a guy shouldnt it be the other way around too because he doesnt walk anyone so his k rate shouldnt matter? The guy even got mvp votes in a stacked AL
@@ethanneubecker he was close to making the list, this is my rankings and I prefer the guys with major swing and miss stuff personally is only reason. It’s not a shot at the quality of player he is
@@GiraffeNeckMarc i respect your decision but cant say i agree. Sorry if that came off s rude just very passionate about my gritty tigs. Im a big fan though keep up the great work. But you nest believe if tarik skubal doesnt at least make top 5 for starters there will be serious repercussions
@@ethanneubecker appreciate the support, no disrespect taken. We are having a good baseball talk, it’s fun to be able to do that!
“i almost don’t care about reliever ERA” he says before using ERA as his reasoning for every single ranking