Thanks for the kick in the ass...went out yanked the ole shovel motor out last night. Pulled all-nighter(65 years old don’t do that much anymore) ..changed cam ,head gaskets fixed up push rod tubes. Bolted it back on in fixed some wiring and rode the SOB.... thanks for all the good info that’s not in a book.
I had two of those in the past. Great engine. Took me many miles. One was an 1974 FLH and the other 1980 FLH police special. Just keep a set of points and a condenser in the saddle bag, at least one chain link, one clothes hanger and you are ready to ride.
Seem's that issue is universal ,, I've had to deal with a few myself Bro...But then I figured the hell with it I'll do it myself So today NOBODY touches a lousy bolt NOT a nut ,, I've had to resort to my own skill's, but being born a true motorhead ..i'm good mate..
Those fins look great. Thanks for the informative vids on how to redo them. I've never delved into fixing fins, mainly finding good finned heads to start with and now I have incentive to do so from seeing them go from ugly welds to nice machined fins.
Save your leftover chopsticks from chinese takeout, they are perfect for sticking in spark plug holes when looking for tdc. Even if they break off, they burn up and can't really damage metal..
Not sure if that's Powder coat on those cylinders but if it is powder it holds alot more heat than paint. Badass motor though. I just picked up a 80" shovelhead engine I'm gonna go through.
You might want to try either Snap-on or Mac Tools combination style Line Wrench the open side of the wrench is just under double the thickness of a normal wrench and the other end is a 6-Point box end wrench that has about a flat and a half cut out of it. The wrenches are designed to be used on nuts on tubing (Brake lines etc). The other another option could be a 6-point style flared-nut crowsfoot they are similar to the "box-end" of the line-wrench except you use a breaker bar as the shaft of the wrench. They are similar to the torque wrench bar socket you use except they are 6-point and have about a flat cut out of them so they can slip over tubing to tighten or loosen the nut. Instead of using a Phillips Screwdriver as a probe to find the position of a piston I use a 3/8 thick wood dowel that I have rounded the tip on. I started using the dowel after seeing and fixing the damage that Screwdriver's can do to a Cylinder Bore, Cylinder Head and or Piston because of carelessness and being an idiot. I totally agree that with reasonable care it is hard to damage a piston or a cylinder head with a Phillips Screwdriver however I have scene it done and don't want the fickle finger of fate fornicate or be visited by that rotten no good SOB Murphy so why tempt fate. Anyway that is my 2-bits worth of whatever today. I hope that when Keith has his engine installed in his scooter that he brings it by your shot for a video so we can see and hear it running
good tips. i never did like line wrenches. i just can't get enough torque out of them. cut down box wrenches work better for me. most crows foot are too big to fit. tatro
Definitely depends on the brand of line wrench. However when it comes down to it the best tool to use for any one particular job is the one that works best for you.
Are Colony chrome products and hardware high quality? As compared to a gardener wescott or even mcmaster Carr. Any disadvantage to flanged 12 point in place of Allen ( schs ) bolts ? Steel vs stainless steel ? Sincerest of thanks for the knowledge your videos give us. No flip flops in a machine or bike shop. Ever....
colony makes very good hardware and gardner wescott are fairly good too. i don't use mcmaster carr or flip flops. i like bare feet and 12pt hardware but one of them cost to much. tatro
Hi,I have a 3 5/8 S&S Shovelhead engine from 1978 .I have tryed to torque the cylinderheads proparly but is not a easy task with standard tools. Is there any good solutions,or do I have to buy special tools from S&S?
Hi Tatro you are obviously a great mechanic no doubt but if I may ask you because when I do valve adjustment I was taught to use a marker and I was told 2.5 turns.
What would you recommend for oil for a Engine Break in ? API SB for the First 800 Miles and Then Change to API SF ? For shovel and older . And for Evo API SF 20w50 in General ? Thanks :)
i use a real break-in oil made by driven or maxima. i use 2 or 3 qts of the 15w50 break-in oil and then thickin it up some with a straight maxima oil. 70w on the older motors and 50w on the evos on up. run it for 300-500 miles and then add 25/60 maxima oil for the next 1000 miles or so. after tha, use what you want. i like tribodyn for the most power and protection. tatro
@@TatroMachine I would love to have 1/4 of the fancy Harley tools that you have. Hell, I would love to have a 1/4 of anything you have ! I have learned a lot from you because, you are the only channel I watch. I'm amazed how quick you work & know where every tool or used part is stashed. Thanks for the ride-along
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Thanks for the kick in the ass...went out yanked the ole shovel motor out last night. Pulled all-nighter(65 years old don’t do that much anymore) ..changed cam ,head gaskets fixed up push rod tubes. Bolted it back on in fixed some wiring and rode the SOB.... thanks for all the good info that’s not in a book.
now you are talking. way to go.
tatro
I had two of those in the past. Great engine. Took me many miles. One was an 1974 FLH and the other 1980 FLH police special. Just keep a set of points and a condenser in the saddle bag, at least one chain link, one clothes hanger and you are ready to ride.
True grit engine talk, no bullshit music............awesome job guys
the music is when you light the pig off.
tatro
What a pleasure watching a craftsman ply his trade, load if cowboy mechanics over here in Wales 🖒😎
Are they what you guys call Wanker's ? or wannabe's ??
Michael Laverty a bit of both ay mate 👍😎
Seem's that issue is universal ,, I've had to deal with a few myself Bro...But then I figured the hell with it I'll do it myself So today NOBODY touches a lousy bolt NOT a nut ,, I've had to resort to my own skill's, but being born a true motorhead ..i'm good mate..
Those fins look great. Thanks for the informative vids on how to redo them. I've never delved into fixing fins, mainly finding good finned heads to start with and now I have incentive to do so from seeing them go from ugly welds to nice machined fins.
it just takes practice.
tatro
Damn that's a good looking shovelhead!
Keith i realy like your channel its very educational i m re-building my old
shovel eng. thanks man keep up with the vids
Save your leftover chopsticks from chinese takeout, they are perfect for sticking in spark plug holes when looking for tdc. Even if they break off, they burn up and can't really damage metal..
good tip.
tatro
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Of all the thousands of mile I put on my Shovelheads, I never had a major problem with the engine or transmission. Think I only replaced one clutch.
Not sure if that's Powder coat on those cylinders but if it is powder it holds alot more heat than paint. Badass motor though. I just picked up a 80" shovelhead engine I'm gonna go through.
You might want to try either Snap-on or Mac Tools combination style Line Wrench the open side of the wrench is just under double the thickness of a normal wrench and the other end is a 6-Point box end wrench that has about a flat and a half cut out of it. The wrenches are designed to be used on nuts on tubing (Brake lines etc). The other another option could be a 6-point style flared-nut crowsfoot they are similar to the "box-end" of the line-wrench except you use a breaker bar as the shaft of the wrench. They are similar to the torque wrench bar socket you use except they are 6-point and have about a flat cut out of them so they can slip over tubing to tighten or loosen the nut.
Instead of using a Phillips Screwdriver as a probe to find the position of a piston I use a 3/8 thick wood dowel that I have rounded the tip on. I started using the dowel after seeing and fixing the damage that Screwdriver's can do to a Cylinder Bore, Cylinder Head and or Piston because of carelessness and being an idiot. I totally agree that with reasonable care it is hard to damage a piston or a cylinder head with a Phillips Screwdriver however I have scene it done and don't want the fickle finger of fate fornicate or be visited by that rotten no good SOB Murphy so why tempt fate. Anyway that is my 2-bits worth of whatever today. I hope that when Keith has his engine installed in his scooter that he brings it by your shot for a video so we can see and hear it running
good tips. i never did like line wrenches. i just can't get enough torque out of them. cut down box wrenches work better for me. most crows foot are too big to fit.
tatro
Definitely depends on the brand of line wrench. However when it comes down to it the best tool to use for any one particular job is the one that works best for you.
Are Colony chrome products and hardware high quality? As compared to a gardener wescott or even mcmaster Carr. Any disadvantage to flanged 12 point in place of Allen ( schs ) bolts ?
Steel vs stainless steel ?
Sincerest of thanks for the knowledge your videos give us.
No flip flops in a machine or bike shop. Ever....
colony makes very good hardware and gardner wescott are fairly good too. i don't use mcmaster carr or flip flops. i like bare feet and 12pt hardware but one of them cost to much.
tatro
VERY GOOD SERVICE, BRASIL OK.
Hi,I have a 3 5/8 S&S Shovelhead engine from 1978 .I have tryed to torque the cylinderheads proparly but is not a easy task with standard tools.
Is there any good solutions,or do I have to buy special tools from S&S?
Would flare nut wrenches help eliminate push rod nuts from rounding off?
not really because they will not fit onto the pushrods. use the weanches like i do and they will be tight and not damage the nuts too much.
tatro
Hi Tatro you are obviously a great mechanic no doubt but if I may ask you because when I do valve adjustment I was taught to use a marker and I was told 2.5 turns.
and how many threads per inch was that adjuster screw.
tatro
Let's see how many hour's it take's Mr Earl to do the push rods ...!!!!!
Very nice 👨🏾🦱👍🏾
Used to work on aircraft, nuts on push-rods look like great candidate for safety-wire. Just a thought.
or i could just tighten the nuts tight.
tatro
Is the 18 flat adjustment only with hydraulic lifters?
if you want it to run. you also have to know what thread pitch your pushrod adjusters are. this is for 32tpi.
tatro
Tatro Machine
On solid lifters I adjust just enough to spin them by hand, correct? The 18-20 flats rule does not relate to solid lifters, right.
correct
Hey Tatro…. what make and model of Ratcheting Crankshaft Wrench
would I need for my '76 shovelhead FLH?
start with a usa tool if you want something that will work and last.
tatro
Hello is it the same for an EVO ? thank you ...Bill
Are those new rocker boxes or just re-polished?
new chrome ones as i recall.
tatro
What would you recommend for oil for a Engine Break in ? API SB for the First 800 Miles and Then Change to API SF ? For shovel and older . And for Evo API SF 20w50 in General ? Thanks :)
i use a real break-in oil made by driven or maxima. i use 2 or 3 qts of the 15w50 break-in oil and then thickin it up some with a straight maxima oil. 70w on the older motors and 50w on the evos on up. run it for 300-500 miles and then add 25/60 maxima oil for the next 1000 miles or so. after tha, use what you want. i like tribodyn for the most power and protection.
tatro
Tatro, what brand of torque wrench do you use,?
snap-on mainly.
tatro
What are the old swedge type push rod TPI? Still 32?
could be, just measure them.
tatro
Thanks I’ll do that when I get back too it....
Use tappet wrenches on push rod adjusters to avoid overlapping onto the flats of the lock nut. Kind of hacked that whole job 😥
its call, learning how to use your tools. there is no room for fancy tools on harleys.
tatro
@@TatroMachine I would love to have 1/4 of the fancy Harley tools that you have. Hell, I would love to have a 1/4 of anything you have ! I have learned a lot from you because, you are the only channel I watch. I'm amazed how quick you work & know where every tool or used part is stashed.
Thanks for the ride-along
They make it seem so difficult back and forth. For fuck sake.
My 80 inch ran best with the S&S B model carb.
Tatro the complicated pro... It's not rocket science stop mumbling.