There Are NO Problems With The Bible?! | The Atheist Experience: Throwback
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Him thinking that homosexuality is an abomination but not slavery tells you everything you need to know about his thought process. Crazy how hard all these people defend their book whilst making themselves look stupid.
Did you know the Bible makes a provision for the slave that is about to become free, telling how they should ceremonially allow the slave to become a permanent slave? I wonder why a slave would want to remain a slave? Maybe it wasn’t how we picture it in our mind?
@@antelopic Oh, the bible answers that question, too. It's because the slave's wife and children are being more or less held hostage. If the master gives a slave a wife, and she bears children, then when the man is free, because the freedom after 7 years only applies to hebrew men and not to women, he goes free alone, and his wife and children are slaves for life. So he can either go be free, or stay with his wife and children.
@@codyhelms2556 you either didn’t read Exodus properly or are intentionally deceiving - Chapter 21 Verse 3 : If he arrived alone, he is to leave alone; if he arrived with a wife, she is to leave with him.
Now to what you didn’t leave out:
Verse 4: If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children belong to her master, and only the man shall go free.
Wives were purchased by the groom to the bride’s parents then, and even to this day in many parts of the world.
Also verse 5 is more to my original point : But if the servant declares, “I love my master and my wife and children; I do not want to go free,”
Then verse 6 goes on to say how, and he chooses to serve his master for life.
Now that just doesn’t make sense . And remember he chose to accept the wife knowing he would be free in 7 years. Knowing all this and choosing “slavery” (servitude) anyways - wow. My perception and reality must not be the same.
Thanks for helping bring the reality of this”slavery” issue to light.
@@antelopic Yeah, "chose" to accept a wife. Sure. That's what happened.
@@codyhelms2556please see my response in another thread about Jacob choosing to be a servant for 7 years to purchase his wife. Seems like that would be plausible too for someone who is already a servant, wouldn’t you agree?
"I disagree with Your approach"
Translation: " You're not talking about it with the spin that my pastor put on it to make it sound okay. "
@CalebDaniel-wl9hv ok, but WHY was he disagreeing?
Because the callee didn't like that they didn't use the apologetic spin the caller has been taught
Not only is the caller dumb but he is mentally ill like all the other religious sickos.
Ha!
Yeah. That was exactly that in a nutshell.
Most religious people have spent almost zero time thinking about WHY they believe what they believe.
Agreed. It's called 'Indoctrination'
Yeah funny how most atheists are ex Christian's who looked at the Bible for what it actually is lmao
You don't think about orders. The priest says jump, you ask how high at most. *rattles the contribution box*
Someone said that it's the atheists who are quick to insult.
I think we all know that it isn't true. And the theist trolls on here prove it EVERY day.
@@frompartsunknown687
Funny how you think it’s atheists hurting kids, the Church has been doing it since at least the 11th century.
“Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” (Isaac Asimov)
Which is the problem. In my thankfully short time as a Christian I didn't properly read it. I sat in the echo chamber of Church and listened to preachers ranting and raving about the Bible and smelt a rat. it was only years later I delved more into it and realised just how flawed and unreliable it is. I know more about it now than I ever did then.
Amazing author. I had no idea that quote was from him. Thank you for sharing!
And quran too.
To become a good Christian you first have to throw your morality out the window.
You don't need morality if you are Christian. Jesus died for their sins, so as long as they believe that, they get a ticket to heaven no matter what they do.
Sin is just something that they use to pass judgment on non-Christians so that they can feel superior by telling themselves that they at least admit to being a sinner.
Moral? Does God have the authority to play God? Then all you lost people can STOP with the "God is immoral" garbage for God taking life WHEN HE ALONE gave it in the first place. Does God owe you a certain amount of time on earth? No. God created ALL LIFE & thus OWNS all life and can do as he pleases w/ his own property (sovereignty). And since God is PERFECT, we can be assured that he will judge PERFECTLY. So don't let me see you spew this debunked garbage again.
Slavery? No again. God freed the Hebrew slaves from Pharaoh, correct? And instead of freeing "servants," he made laws in their regard, because they were "servants" & not "slaves." The word "slave" is a bad interpretation, just like "unicorn" in the Bible is not really a "unicorn," but a rhino or elasmotherium. Then again, maybe unicorns did exist and we haven't dug one up yet. It's irrelevant to my points anyway. Try to learn.
Incest? Adam & Eve had almost 100 children. And there was no entropy in “The Garden of Eden,” where all was perfect, including the genes; the DNA pure. Obviously, the sisters and brothers were marrying each other. Adam and Eve were perfect genetically and there were no mutations in their genes until after sin.
You're debunked; learn from your defeat.
You don't need morals when you have a get out of hell free card
@@frompartsunknown687 GOD IS IMMORAL VIOLENT PSYCHOPATHING JEALOUS MASS MURDERER.
"And since God is PERFECT" Oh, that's why he has regrets. That's why he had to wipe out the whole planet after he screwed his work so badly. 🤣🤣🤣🤣LMAO you're imbecile.
@frompartsunknown687 let's use logic for this
Premise 1: God's words and commands are objectively good
Premise 2: The Bible is the inerrant word of God
Premise 3: God is infallible
Premise 4: God condoned slavery and committed genocide
Conclusion: Slavery and genocide are objectively good
So do you believe slavery and genocide are objectively good or objectively bad?
God loves his creation unconditionally.
Christians: You can get salvation on the CONDITION that you believe in the same thing we do.
@@frompartsunknown687 Err, yeah. Okay. So: What is the standard?
In Deuteronomy 20, 21, and Leviticus 25, and 2 Samuel 24, and Exodus 30:12... and so on?
Also, He didn't create us: Eve did, more or less. And He concealed, Himself.
One further might claim... He partly gave up, self evident sovereignty, in doing so...? Technically.
Plus, see Romans 8:30. And all less than fully obviously 'voluntary' forms, of slavery.
@@chrissonofpear1384 I've already debunked the slavery try in detail. Atheism (it’s ideas) is over. It's all been debunked by science. There's no such thing as any demonstration/observation of a big bang, abiogenesis, transitional new anatomy/evolution or any pond or part of the ocean producing anything NEW whatsoever. That's because ALL reproducing life was produced in GENESIS and NOTHING NEW HAS BEEN PRODUCED SINCE, because only God is the producer/creator/designer. Stupidity (atheism/Godless reality) has been debunked for centuries.
No part of nature can produce anything NEW (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing), THEREFORE there is no such thing as "natural causes" or "natural processes." NOTHING of the atheist cult has a PURPOSEFUL MIND or ability to produce anything we observe in this world (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution). Sorry, but you atheists are back to square one. Let me help you rebuild your mind to learn the truth (God, Creation, The Bible). I know more than anybody re the important facts of true reality, so take advantage.
Oh, that doesn't apply to me. I'm one of the other people.
Remember the above line. When they try to threaten you with imaginary fire, remind them that when Cain ran away after Yahweh threw a picky eater hissy fit (having killed his brother, which the story says he could not have known was wrong, and further elaborates there was neither a law against nor even a suggestion that doing so should be prohibited, provided you were in Yahweh's land of hate and violence) he moved to a city. A city. Yahweh's people hadn't invented mud huts yet but us non-cursed humans already had civilization, laws, technology, and god-proof magick-defeating iron.
It's not a condition . No one forces anyone to become a Christian.
@@michaelmarshall9132 According to you, what happens if you don't become Christian?
Love how they defend owning people as property and then get offended at language.
How is it that theist trolls still, STILL keep thinking atheism and science are the same?
And THEN they claim that science has been debunked by science, by which he doesn't mean science. They can't give a SINGLE scientific citation.
It's because their pastor/parents taught them that anything that goes against what's in the one book they're supposed to read, which most of them don't even read, says.
It's a lot harder to brainwash someone if they're educated.
Amazing how these people are happy to accept the Bible is the _inspired_ word of God but they never bother to ask themselves why he didn't just write it himself
He did write it Himself.
@@Thunderbolt-9 funny, I thought humans wrote it
@@adamheywood113Humans rewrote it on God’s behalf. But God told them what to write!
@@Thunderbolt-9 And how do you know that?
@@Thunderbolt-9lol.. so why does it have named books and multiple sources and edits? Is there an originl god signed manuscript?
That is exactly the bad influence of religion: people who don't stand up for their moral values, or even change their moral values, because they are afraid God might not agree with them.
This brings back memories. When I was a Christian I had read the entire Bible multiple times and I just remember working so hard to find desperate excuses for the terrible things in it. It's like a battered woman making excuses for her abusive husband. You know that it's wrong on the inside, but you can't accept that it's wrong.
There are a ton of people exactly like this caller, and we’ve seen them come out of the woodwork over the last 8 years…
The worst part is.. they vote. And have children.
And in the US, these same people are voting, using the Bible and their cult, to harm other American citizens, take away democracy (If they even truly understand that word) and do very un- American things. It is repugnant.
People like that have been around a lot longer than 8 years. The Internet just allows you to see the stupid faster.
It’s nice hearing a young caller questioning things. I hope this was impactful for him.
I always feel so bad for Don. Sitting there silently hearing people casually proclaim that they earnestly believe that he should literally die. It’s really sad and heartbreaking that he still has to deal with that…. And yet despite all that screwed up, messed up, morally repugnant rhetoric and speech, he still shows up and still tries to help them see the better way. He still smiles and still tries his best to support the show and give his opinion and never makes it about himself or his own feelings or his own life . He is such a great host and I loved his earlier videos so much. It’s just an honor to see him up there and see how strong he is during these kind of calls.
Wonderful comment. I 💯 % agree with you. Thank you
Don really is a saint.
And listen to some dumbass caller say is this like a RUclips thing? Yep, since prolly b4 you were a glimmer in your dads sack
The best way to be respectful to your slaves is not to own them in the first place.
I wonder how people paid off large debts 400-6000 years ago?
They VOLUNTEERED. Let me educate you. The only "slaves" were the Hebrew slaves under Pharaoh. And THERE WERE NO RULES for them. The rest that most people think were "slaves," were actually "servants." We know that by the fact there THERE WERE RULES. "Rules" make them servants - not slaves. And those servants were voluntary, because of debt owed. Example: Jacob had to work 7 yrs just to pay for his wife. And his wife's Father cheated Jacob, saying he had to marry his older daughter. So THEN Jacob had to work another 7 yrs to get the bride he wanted - Rebecca. And if Rebecca's father died, his oldest son could inherit the debt owed by Jacob - having it passed onto him. Debt was erased every 6 yrs and every 50 yrs at the Jewish Jubilee. Like Jacob, the person/servant had to AGREE to being a servant. Jacob WAS NOT FORCED to be a servant; IT WAS VOLUNTARY.
Stop lying Grandpa, you’ve been told (with evidence from the Bible no less) that debt slavery wasn’t the only form of slavery.
@@antelopic Can you think of a better system than slavery? I could think of a few.
@@codyhelms2556 wait a minute, so Jacob volunteered to be a servant to pay for a wife? Does that qualify as choosing?
And we are all slaves - the question is WHO is your MASTER?
"Calvin" is a perfect example of why Texas is ranked 41st in the country in education.
I've encountered Theists like Calvin numerous times over the years, and it's incredibly frustrating to try and get them to acknowledge that their God is reprehensible according to the scriptures. They only want to use the bible as a guide for life when it's convenient for them, and when you bring up something as absurd as slavery or how women are treated, they always have either a pre-prepared answer they got from their pastor or an apologetic one to justify it.
Challenge them to read the Bible from cover to cover, taking their time to study and comprehend what the text actually says. Since these people believe that the book contains the literal fricking words of their deity, they should be eager to commit to that task. If they don't devote a chunk of their daily life to gradually working through every tedious, contradictory, nonsensical verse of the Bible, they are essentially refusing to listen to their god.
@@allanmason3201 LOL- That is not going to happen for most of them. Someone better get them a CliffsNotes version!
Imo, Calvin is the typical fundie Christian.
Oh yeah!!! That's fantastically amazingly amazing!!!
The problem with The Bible is that it exists
Does it ? With so many lies around the topic, why should I believe that it does ?
No, the problem is not that the bible exists. The problem is that some people think it’s more than a badly written book of ancient fairy tales.
@@alamunez The poor writing doesn't get brought up enough. I know we're dealing with translation issues so the poetry is often lost, but just the basics of how to write a story had not been worked out yet and so the most literate people of the area gave us stories that sound like the 1st grade got a little carried away after rewatching Shrek*
*I have a suspicion that Donkey is a reference to Balam's donkey, but if he is then they're probably not telling any time soon.
Its pronounced buy bull for a reason.
Nah it is more of an historical / fantasy novel.
This poor man has given up his right to think, because he thinks god is listening.
THAT'S RELIGION FOR YOU!
My journey to atheism started by someone asking me 'why my holy book (Bible) is more valid than any other holy book' like the Quran, the Vedas, Tipiṭaka, Adi Granth etc. Every argument I gave for the Bible is valid to believers of their holy books. So who is right?
@@frompartsunknown687 👈👈👈 The failed, jailed, and living in a trailer chiro-quacktor still expects people to believe his lies even after he was convicted for fraud.
Bullshite. Every faith within Christianity believes they’re the ones that “truly” believes and you lot can’t even agree on a Bible.
@@frompartsunknown687 Yes, they all conflict, so they can't all be right, but they can all be wrong. And we have yet to see any demonstration that any god hypothesis is even possible, yet alone likely.
@@tonyclements1147 Wrong. First of all, try not to comment on topics you know nothing about. Secondly, there is only one faith in Christianity and to MISS IT is only due to ignorance or lack of research or both. But to anyone worthy of heaven, as myself, I've did the research TO KNOW God's Word to the degree that I'm an expert. So if you want to know something, I have all the important answers.
Christ never fucked a 9 year old, I’m not even religious, that’s all I’d say in response.
There is no hate like christian love.
So true, so true
It's deeply rooted in narcissism.
@@JasonTaylor90210 That, and a healthy combination of arrogance and ignorance.
@@CalebDaniel-wl9hv I lived it.
They loved you so much if you didn't agree with them they would burn you alive.
I award this caller gold in mental gymnastics
He was like a computer program caught in an infinite loop
404 error
"Hello, I would like to report that my Christian broke. He tried to think critically about his beliefs and the Bible at the same time, and I think it bricked his brain. I tried to reboot him but nothing happened, what should I do?"
@@TheXLinklive boot and install a rational os
@@TheXLink have you tried turning it off and back on again?
Calvin you were gifted with a platform and time span bigger that you could hope for to present your case. Not only did you fail at making a reasonable point, but you went so far as to proclaim you didn't get a fare chance. WOW!
Do you think it is possible that they screen all of the callers that might pose a real threat to them? This just seems suspect to me. He does seem genuine, but maybe some callers are actors? You never know what people will do to justify their position. The sad thing is if they were doing that, it would be like leading many listeners and viewers into a form of slavery - the irony 😢
@@antelopic so they pick and choose comments too?...none of you have proven a god either
@@johnnielawrence420 Atheist: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
@@antelopic No. That would be silly, unnecessary, and counter-productive to the show.
Watch a few of the _"You guys never take smart callers like me!"_ callers. It's the exact. same. shit.
@@BaronVonQuiply no doubt they’re actually intelligent and pose a real “threat”. And with a title like that, it proves they don’t screen them/fake them - thanks for shedding more light on this.
Callers like this break my heart
Same.
So true
And its pretty creepy/scary too to listen to this kind of people. They don't even realize how fd up this is 😮
What caller actually inspired your heart?
Evil worshippers will worship evil and defend it vehemently because they are petrified of what that this evil(god) might do to them if u question his book 😂
What strikes me is far to my “Christians” calling in don’t why they believe what they say they believe. And that’s if they can coherently state their beliefs/ positions on social standards /“norms”.
Just saying it’s ok because the Bible is a joke!
WOW!!! This caller can’t say that slavery is a horrible thing.
Slavery? You're wrong. Let me educate you. The only "slaves" were the Hebrew slaves under Pharaoh. And THERE WERE NO RULES for them. The rest that most people think were "slaves," were actually "servants." We know that by the fact there THERE WERE RULES. "Rules" make them servants - not slaves. And those servants were voluntary, because of debt owed. Example: Jacob had to work 7 yrs just to pay for his wife. And his wife's Father cheated Jacob, saying he had to marry his older daughter. So THEN Jacob had to work another 7 yrs to get the bride he wanted - Rebecca. And if Rebecca's father died, his oldest son could inherit the debt owed by Jacob - having it passed onto him. Debt was erased every 6 yrs and every 50 yrs at the Jewish Jubilee. Like Jacob, the person/servant had to AGREE to being a servant. Jacob WAS NOT FORCED to be a servant; IT WAS VOLUNTARY.
“Let me educate you..”
On surviving in prison and lying?
@@frompartsunknown687I’m confused. You said you would educate me, not lie and obfuscate to me. Why are you not doing the thing you said you’d do?
It's particularly concerning, considering he sounds like he's a POC.
@frompartsunknown687 ok so your god is so bumbling that he put out a book using a word knowing it would cause massive confusion instead of just saying treat your employees with respect. Saying treat your slaves with respect isn't a good look. *looking at you god*
Dude was clearly not ready for this conversation 😂
Caller has more of an issue with cussing than slavery 🙄
😂
He wants to have a respectful conversation about why slavery isn't so bad...😅
A good example of how religion corrupts the mind to a point where you can no longer think straight
STOP with the stupidity already. Atheism is a religion. A religion of “SELF.” Instead of properly worshipping God and putting him first in your life; YOU PUT YOURSELF FIRST.
EVERYBODY HAS A FAITH. It’s just that your faith is stupid. Atheism tenets (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, star formation, evolution) I debunk w/ ease. Any belief re the cause of this universe is a religion and you've tagged yourself an "atheist" because you believe atheist ideas re the cause of this universe (nature: time/space/matter/energy. You also believe that evolution is the "controlling power" over life, instead of God. THAT is religion.
Either you have a RATIONAL POSSIBLE world view or you don't. To be an atheist and have no factual basis for your cult, is to be content to be even more lost and clueless than yesterday.
Why do you cling so desperately to an asinine atheist cult that's INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS? Could you be more lost and clueless?
Einstein called atheism "a religion formed to reject other religions. How cute and desperate they are." I know it hurts to know that the most famous and respected scientist of our generation believed atheists to be pathetic idiots LOL
@@eleanorgeorge7069 "STOP with the stupidity already."
We try, but YOU keep coming back, and I see you're still pretending to be a woman....
@@eleanorgeorge7069 Repeat after me: abiogenesis and evolution can explain existence of life and speciation as we know it. Evolution is one of the most proven scientific theory in the history of mankind, abiogenesis was proven as viable and totally possible origin of life on early Earth's conditions. We have REAL POSSIBLE WAY HOW LIFE EMERGED ON EARTH COMPLETELY NATURALLY. NO SILLY FICTIONAL CREATOR NECESSARY.
@@eleanorgeorge7069 Repeat after me: Bible was written by iron age totally ignorant superstitious illiterate goad herders who didn't know where Sun goes at night. Bible is just book of fairy tales and stories and represent only THINKING of their authors. BIBLE IS EVIDENCE ONLY FOR EXISTENCE OF BIBLE, nothing more.
@@eleanorgeorge7069 Repeat after me: Jesus is just a LEGEND, MYTH. We have ZERO EVIDENCE ABOUT HIS EXISTENCE outside of the bible and in the bible everything is just a hearsay written decades after his alleged existence. Babbling about Jesus is as much valid as babbling about Sauron from Lord of the Ring.
Calvin has never had anyone question his belief. He went the dishonest route with switch topics because he realized he was losing.
Callers like this shows that religion is a cult. He has no logic and no reasoning, he blindly follows an immoral book
"NO LOGIC OR REASONING!" Screams the lost and clueless atheist f00l that thinks star dust, moist rocks and mud puddles have the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE, RESOURCES AND MEANS to create/design LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS, MORALITY, the human being and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body :) Atheism is pure idiocy.
The religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. That's because atheism RUNS from "reality." I would add that as an atheist, you're bankrupt of RATIONAL/POSSIBLE causes for life, intelligence, consciousness, morality and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body.
Atheism has no RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step by step atheist explanation for reality. That’s because there isn’t one. THINK ABOUT what you’re getting into w/ the cult of atheism. GET OUT NOW. I’ll help you find truth. Atheism has none.
I agree that there's no sign of rational thought with this guy, but it doesn't seem to me that he's following the rules of his amoral book. He's complying with what he _believes_ the rules in the book to be, but he *doesn't **_know_** what the book actually demands.* Most likely, that's because he's never taken the time to read the Bible from cover to cover. Which, considering that he believes it to be the sacred, literal word of his god, verges on sacrilege.
@@frompartsunknown687 Repeat after me: Bible is very poor, immoral, incoherrent book of stories and fairy tales with more than 550 direct contradictions. It's just a summary of lore, beliefs, and culture of iron age ignorant superstitious misogynistic violent immoral goat herders, who INVENTED GOD for explaining pure natural phenomena. GOD IS JUST MANE MADE IDEA, NOTHING MORE.
@@frompartsunknown687 Repeat after me: there is no such thing as god in reality. Clear evidence shows us that every isolated society created their own version of gods, their own verion of LOCAL FLOOD, their own version of Earth and universe. There are no mutually isolated two places in the world where people have the same gods, that clearly proves that EVERY IDEA OF EVERY GOD IS MAN MADE.
@@frompartsunknown687 Repeat after me: abiogenesis and evolution can explain existence of life and speciation as we know it. Evolution is one of the most proven scientific theory in the history of mankind, abiogenesis was proven as viable and totally possible origin of life on early Earth's conditions. We have REAL POSSIBLE WAY HOW LIFE EMERGED ON EARTH COMPLETELY NATURALLY. NO SILLY FICTIONAL CREATOR NECESSARY.
this is an amazing call. he’s just a kid, and hopefully this call will force him to critically think about his positions and evaluate them a little. he probably won’t, but man, what a great call.
It is FASCINATING to see how some Bible thumpers, when confronted with the issue of slavery in the Bible, suddenly pivot from "The Bible is the constant foundation for understanding God's absolute and objective morality" to "You have to understand that in the culture of the time..."
Obviously you can’t understand it. Your grounded into the spoiled society of today. When you hear the word slavery you scream like a little girl “bad bad bad!!” Yet you do not know how the system works nor can you judge how it works, it’s not wise to act like you know better than God being that you’re here one day and gone the next.
If we’re just evolving you can’t really call slavery a bad thing, it’s just part of the evolutionary process. There’s nothing “bad” about it. Yet when we put God in the picture, all the sudden we see the world as it TRULY is. Good vs evil.
@@Kdeezy1 had failed to demonstrate that a God has anything to do with making slavery wrong. And the Bible nowhere states that slavery is wrong according to God. Biological evolution is a red herring in this context, although it is true that human values relevant to slavery HAVE evolved- which does not support the idea of divinely fixed human morality.
@@amtlpaul I’m sorry you can’t see passed our own soiled present society. Things haven’t always been the same. Surely you’ve had this argument multiple times, it’s not forced slavery like you think of it. Like Americans did to the blacks. But you won’t accept that because it doesn’t fit your worldview. God gave rules on how to treat slaves. Strict rules. They were like family. ”And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.“
Exodus 21:16
@@Kdeezy1 "Things haven't always been the same"
Yes. Wasn't that the point I was making? And thank you for demonstrating the truth of the OP!
6:41 its soooo ridiculously difficult for them to answer/ opine on a simple yes or no question. Wow 😮 paradigm example of an indoctrinated mind…incredibly amusing when a mind like that begins to face contradictions.
And these people take the moral high ground 😂😂😂😂😂
God walks through the door and sanity flies out the window.
I would like to thank the friend who directed him to this show because that was gold.
The guy didn't know what the fuck he was saying.
I think he was high 😂
36 years down the toilet with religion
That is about the same amount of time I wasted as an Evangelical Christian. I feel yer pain.
today is the first day of the rest of our lives
36 years gone here, too, I’ll never get my youth and those opportunities back! Don’t let anyone push you around!
I’ve had that very conversation a thousand times.
So fresh!
Religion makes moral people say and do immoral and wicked things. -Christopher Hitchens.
Hitchens is in hell where you're going. And atheism is a religion. Free will allows choice and some choose poorly. Get educated.
I saw Hitchens win another posthumous debate a few weeks ago against a live opponent in the comments section
RIP Hitch the GOAT.
I don't hate stupid people.
They can't help it.
I just hate dealing with them.
"stupidity is like death - it's only painful for others"
Easiest way to get a good person to do an evil thing is get them hooked on a religion.
What a perfect example of how dark and dangerous the way religion operates in American culture truly is
It was “what ever happened to good grammar” from this guy in particular for me.
Calvin has no intellect whatsoever. What a confused individual.
Its NOT his intellect. He's just been Brainwashed to death.Sad.😮😢
"Yes, you managed to get the exactly wrong answer, without difficulty". ROTFLMAO.
Johnny, tell Calvin what he's won.
Drinking game. Every time you hear "like" or "you know". I'm hammered after the first 10 minutes.
Don's chuckle thru this is everything.
Don unabashedly laughing at nonsense is the highlight of any episode he's on 🙂
Brawndo’s got what the plants crave. It’s got electrolytes.
Definitely don't wanna be drinking that stuff out of the toilet
Why come you know have tattoo?
Woah... you're like.. a sciencer or something.
But what ARE electrolytes ?🤪
@@EricDellinger-t2h they're electric. And they lyte up.
"I dont mind answering questions"
*THEN DO IT!!!*
Love that he seemed to take issue with the sacrifice of animals but was alright with mistreatment of human beings. Priorities, dude.
Just a reminder: this same person called in under another alias the other day as "Yetmas".
For the past six years, he never was an honest interlocutor.
Omg same guy? Not a neuron has fired since this clip. Damn.
This sounds like Mark from the Stone Church in Austin.
@@holden88 I know him better as Patrick from Florida. His call with Shannon Q and Jim Barrows was especially good though
"Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man." The Dude
There’s something that always bugged me about religion when I was a child.Saying grace.Why when my parents have worked for the money to buy the food that they cook & feed to their family because they love them would I thank the lord? You done nothing bro! Your specialty
Just recently picked up on Mat's videos which go back many years now and love the new show. Mat is an absosutle hero of mine now. The fact that someone as smart as Mat and having had the bible imposed on him at a young age to the extent that he was close to becoming a minister, demonstrates to me how imposing and poisonius the belief in God like systems are. Mat's clear and objective reasoning took him 25 plus years to make the final realization that the belief in any God or scriptures needs solid evidence and a moral exceptance to be fully justified.
Fortunatly for myself (who does not have the same interlect as Mat), I did not have religion imposed on me and have had the privilage to stand back and observe all religions and deceide for myself in a logical way whether any religion was a path way or a leap in "faith" that I should take. Mat's clear and consise rationale and understanding should make it clear that all religions are completetly debunked until we have the clear evidence to prove otherwise.
If I had been brainwashed into beleiving in a God at a vunerable age, I'm not sure I would of had the capacity to fully understand how all this BIble/Quran bashing works and could of been just as intrenched as most "believers" are!
Maybe an all "knowing" God will finally realise that he's/she's, it's not doing the right job right in supplying us mere humans with the unequivicol evidence, so that we can all trully believe!
Keep up the good work team.
The LIVES and EXISTENCE of ARROGANT, CRUEL, HATEFUL, and MERCILESS PERSONS on EARTH
Do Atheists and Christians respect and value the lives, dignities, and existence of their co-human beings?
ANSWER -
No,
Atheists, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
who
are raising, glorifying, and exalting themselves as better, greater, glorious, powerful, higher and superior than the Creator and his Christ
are
obviously the arrogant, cruel, merciless, and hateful persons on earth
who
are remorseless, shameless, unbothered, and just don't care even if their Satanic arrogance, hatred, cruelties, hypocrisies, unkindness, lies, deceits
and false teachings about "afterlife", "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "immortality of the souls", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
hurt, offend, insult, humiliate, and degrade the lives and dignities of all human beings including that of their own families and neighbors
and
cause their humiliations, degradations, sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and DEATHS.
The LIVES, DIGNITIES, and EXISTENCE of the CREATOR and HIS CHRIST
Do the Creator and his Christ respect and value the lives, dignities, and existence of human beings?
ANSWER -
Yes,
ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death
is
the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward to all persons on earth who honor and obey Jesus Christ as their loving, kind, and merciful Master and Heavenly King
and believe his teachings too about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead"
The teaching of Jesus Christ about the "RESURRECTON of the DEAD"
is
the Creator's guarantee that loving, kind, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, Ruth, Naomi, King David, Daniel, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
will
all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily, abundantly, and peacefully live and exist on Earth forever as subjects and citizens of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity
under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
@@jaflenbond7854 Why are you so *LAZY,* Jaffles? The least you could do here is put some effort into tidying up the spacing of your copy pasta scripts of *SPAM!!!*
"He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster" - Proverbs 18:9
"The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason" - Proverbs 26:16
@@holgerlubotzki3469 The LIVES and EXISTENCE of ARROGANT, CRUEL, HATEFUL, and MERCILESS PERSONS on EARTH
Do Atheists and Christians respect and value the lives, dignities, and existence of their co-human beings?
ANSWER -
No,
Atheists, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
who
are raising, glorifying, and exalting themselves as better, greater, glorious, powerful, higher and superior than the Creator and his Christ
are
obviously the arrogant, cruel, merciless, and hateful persons on earth
who
are remorseless, shameless, unbothered, and just don't care even if their Satanic arrogance, hatred, cruelties, hypocrisies, unkindness, lies, deceits
and false teachings about "afterlife", "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "immortality of the souls", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
hurt, offend, insult, humiliate, and degrade the lives and dignities of all human beings including that of their own families and neighbors
and
cause their humiliations, degradations, sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and DEATHS.
The LIVES, DIGNITIES, and EXISTENCE of the CREATOR and HIS CHRIST
Do the Creator and his Christ respect and value the lives, dignities, and existence of human beings?
ANSWER -
Yes,
ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death
is
the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward to all persons on earth who honor and obey Jesus Christ as their loving, kind, and merciful Master and Heavenly King
and believe his teachings too about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead"
The teaching of Jesus Christ about the "RESURRECTON of the DEAD"
is
the Creator's guarantee that loving, kind, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, Ruth, Naomi, King David, Daniel, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
will
all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily, abundantly, and peacefully live and exist on Earth forever as subjects and citizens of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity
under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
@@jaflenbond7854 blabla from insane mind.
blabla from insane mind
No, I dont know, you know?
most annoying caller to ever be on the show.
you think slavery, rape, genocide, hate crimes, and murder are immoral? That's just your opinion!
This guy didn't even make an argument the whole call. He just kept repeating "it's my opinion, it's your opinion, it's god's opinion, we all have belief systems, we should respect them all, even nazis!"
He comes in here saying it's fine to own humans as property and to murder people for who they love and then tries calling mild language "rude."
12:01 Smoked this caller with EASE 🤣😈
I would accept all that's in the Bible if I could make just one tiny edit, instead of "In The Beginning" I would change that to "Once upon a Time"
TBH, it means the same thing. It's all fiction.
Caller: What’s your belief system
Me: don’t be a dick!
There are some heinous writings in the holy bible. It’s worth reading, so that people know in the future, what religions can become- theocracy in shadowy organizations.
"What ever happened to good grammar?" Proceeds to ignore said good grammar.
This guy is just too stubborn to concede that he lost the argument and his book stood for immoral practices.
No, not even a little bit does God condone immorality and you'll not produce a scripture to prove otherwise. If you try, I'll debunk you just as easily as I debunk any atheist idea.
More of your bullshite “atheist ideas” The BBT was co developed by a Jesuit priest you absolute bellend.
@@eleanorgeorge7069 LIAR
Exodus 21
Laws About Slaves
1 “Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. 2 When you buy a Hebrew slave,[a] he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. 3 If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out alone. 5 But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’ 6 then his master shall bring him to God, and he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall bore his ear through with an awl, and he shall be his slave forever.
7 “When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. 8 If she does not please her master, who has designated her[b] for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has broken faith with her. 9 If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. 10 If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights. 11 And if he does not do these three things for her, she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money.
12 “Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death. 13 But if he did not lie in wait for him, but God let him fall into his hand, then I will appoint for you a place to which he may flee. 14 But if a man willfully attacks another to kill him by cunning, you shall take him from my altar, that he may die.
No. EVERYTHING came from God. GOD DID IT. A ROCK DID IT is just stupidity (atheism).
Moral? Does God have the authority to play God? Then all you lost people can STOP with the "God is immoral" garbage for God taking life WHEN HE ALONE gave it in the first place. Does God owe you a certain amount of time on earth? No. God created ALL LIFE & thus OWNS all life and can do as he pleases w/ his own property (sovereignty). And since God is PERFECT, we can be assured that he will judge PERFECTLY. So don't let me see you spew this debunked garbage again.
Slavery? No again. God freed the Hebrew slaves from Pharaoh, correct? And instead of freeing "servants," he made laws in their regard, because they were "servants" & not "slaves." The word "slave" is a bad interpretation, just like "unicorn" in the Bible is not really a "unicorn," but a rhino or elasmotherium. Then again, maybe unicorns did exist and we haven't dug one up yet. It's irrelevant to my points anyway. Try to learn.
Incest? Adam & Eve had almost 100 children. And there was no entropy in “The Garden of Eden,” where all was perfect, including the genes; the DNA pure. Obviously, the sisters and brothers were marrying each other. Adam and Eve were perfect genetically and there were no mutations in their genes until after sin.
You're debunked; learn from your defeat.
@@eleanorgeorge7069clearly you are another person who failed to watch this video and failed to read your own so called religious book.
So I guess slavery is moral to you? Genocide? I can go on and on.
Why can't theists be honest?
Because then they wouldn't be anymore, self selecting sample.
The problem is it's not God...its SUMBDYS VERSION OF A GOD.
There isn't a version of God that isn't someone's version of God, though.
I love that 13 minutes in he switched to kalam.
Word of the day = Gullible. Word for tomorrow = Gullibility. Question for the next day = Can gullibility be measured?
The poor caller just had the floor moped with his whole body, and still didn't learn a damn thing!
In America, men once legally owned their wives. Like the Bible slaves, there were restrictions on how women were treated. America has come a long way, but I fear we are reversing course when it comes to women's equal rights.
In one interesting modern court case, a boss fired his secretary but the boss's wife wanted her fired to avoid divorce because she was "too beautiful." The boss's wife didn't like the secretary because of the secretary's extraordinary beauty.
The secretary sued for sex discrimination, which is illegal in the employment and she lost the court case. Apparently, to be protected by sex discrimination laws, we must be ugly men 😉 .
Calvin sounds like the teen son from "We're the Millers."
No ragrets!
The caller sounds like a person on the Xbox criminal video where’s he is getting trolled on call of duty.
It sounds like the little rager who threaten the troll life.
This is what is so heartbreaking. That people would rather cling to a dogmatic, predigested “worldview” than use their own brains to try to figure things out for themselves. (And these people vote, and the politicians exploit that.)
Ignorance is definitely bliss
Well there is no problem with the bible as a fantasy novel, other than it bring badly written.
God did write the Bible. God wrote the Bible & used mankind to pen it. You actually think God would depend on weak stupid humans to think up and print his Word? That we'd be judged on "Judgement Day" by what men wrote and not what God wrote? God promised that he'd preserve his Word and he did (Psalm 11:6-7). The Bible is proved by it's fulfillment or prophecy & the fact that no goat herder of 3,500 yrs ago could know the content we find in the Bible.
You have a lot to learn and you’re basically starting from the point of abject atheist idiocy.
@@frompartsunknown687 Repeat after me: we have NO EVIDENCE about any of more than 3000 gods. Every religion survive only through ABUSING OF CHILDREN with brainwashing and theistic indoctrinaction. EVERY RELIGION IS CULT BASED ON DOGMA.
@@frompartsunknown687 Repeat after me: Bible is very poor, immoral, incoherrent book of stories and fairy tales with more than 550 direct contradictions. It's just a summary of lore, beliefs, and culture of iron age ignorant superstitious misogynistic violent immoral goat herders, who INVENTED GOD for explaining pure natural phenomena. GOD IS JUST MANE MADE IDEA, NOTHING MORE.
Why would ah omnipotent God need humans to 'pen' a book for Him? So much for free will...
The question about slaves is a softball... it should be easy to answer.
Is slavery moral? The answer is always no.
I cannot imagine people thinking otherwise and yet here we are
Love it when people think the right to.h9ld an opinion is also the right to not be challenged on it.
Idiot caller unwittingly unraveling the whole ballgame: “simply, from the thing you just don’t seem to get, at the end of the day, religion or not, it’s someone’s opinion solely.”
End the show. Calvin said the quiet part out loud.
This caller knows deep down he can’t defend the verses in the bible, but also can’t bring himself to admit it.. so sad.
0:13 I don't have to respect evil beliefs, so this special pleading tactic is irrelevant
Meanwhile the “evil” caller is calm, respectful, and without foul/dirty mouth/language, yet the Morally Superior Atheist is not calm, at times disrespectful, and doubles-down on filthy/dirty language being acceptable to him.
@@antelopicSo, being animated and "disrespectful" is more evil to you than defending slavery?
@@DXTRIPLEHBK I’d rather be the slave of the respectful/calm person than “set free” by the Athiest
@@antelopic Oh, so you're just a dishonest moron. Got it.
The tap dance continues.
Gozer the Traveler will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!
Except there isn't any single divine inerrant version of Christianity's literature that can be cited as "The" Bible. It's more like there's a multitude of various literary compositions reciting horrific laws, disgusting bigotry, and fallible ideals.
@@frompartsunknown687
Wrong.
God’s word is bullshite, it’s man’s word. Men wrote it and men decided what was “His message” was and what was garbage.
@@frompartsunknown687 So you're suggesting that the following are okay in your view:
-Slavery
-Genocide
-Rape, both spousal rape and otherwise
-Misogyny
-Racism
Just trying to established how skewed your moral compass is.
@frompartsunknown687 It’s a bit comical to assert that Christianity's orthodox view is a divinely inerrant word of God, essentially his son/self, when we have zero documents, document fragments, or words on any page written from the biblical character, Jesus’, own hand. Jesus appears throughout history as illiterate. That's seriously poor divine inerrant record keeping. But just so we're clear on where your priorities are, do you hate your family as required of your discipleship per what your bible claims Jesus said?
@@tonyclements1147 Kid, we both know that you have ZERO ANSWERS and your asinine, lost & clueless cult is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. The Bible is all fact and I can prove it. 66 books are in the Bible that are written by God who used mankind to pen it. We know God wrote it, due to the 2500 prophecies Jesus fulfilled and the 500 left for him to fulfill during the rest of this church age and the 1,000 yr Reign. ALSO by the content of the Bible, which no goat herder of 3,500 yrs ago could know, such as effect of a nuke on the human body, the 2nd law, the fact that God created time/space/matter/energy, that circumcision is done on the 8th day, just like doctors do today. The earth is round and the fact that the Universe is expanding:
”He alone STRETCHES OUT the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea.” Job 9:8.
Well the begatting part in the first book is a pain to read through and the overall Shakespeare style of writing makes it rather gibberish.
I reckon that's why they built the church buildings for people to come sit down and listen to someone else read it for them.
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I feel for the friend Calvin had this "conversation" with.
How can they look into a mirror and dont die from shame....
There is no hope for this caller… he is in denial and cannot be truthful, trying defend his Bible. The sentence your approach is wrong…god help him. Brainwashing has worked!!
16:05 dude just dodged the question like wtf was he saying? 😂😂
Why is it that these believers can never answer a simple yes or no question? I think they realized that what they believe is ridiculous to believe, that's why they can't answer simple questions.
4:50 So we're ditching the old testamemt?
8:14 Don't forget the genocide.
Sorry... genocideS.
Religion.The ability to believe in the unbelievable.
Christians remind me of a parent trying to defend their child molesting son. "I know what he did was wrong, but he helps me around the house"
It pains them to be told what a dreadful book the bible is
At this point I believe that the police should be able to get the information from these callers to go make a welfare check on their basements!
🎵"So if You are the Christ
You're the great Jesus Christ
Prove to me that You're no fool
Walk across my swimming pool
You're a joke, You're not the Lord
You are nothing but a fraud
Take Him away
He's got nothing to say" 👋
The music is good, though.
As an atheist I do believe that there should be a leader of the family. Whoever is going to answer the bump in the night should be the head of the family. Wether man or woman. Every ship has a captin.
the atheist experience glory days
And then when you got called out for being an a*hole (and it was obvious that you were), rather than apologise and try to be the bigger _woman,_ you delete the thread. This is dishonest.
Have you ever wondered if a big part of the difficulties you face are because of your attitude, rather than because of your status as a transwoman?
Oh uh... (grabs popcorn)
The Spamming Florida BJ can only argue against strawmen, it would seem
There is many amoral things in the Bible that appeals to amoral people but if you believe that Adam and Eve actually existed and Noah’s Ark was real you’re just stupid.
This is your brain on religion 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️. This guy’s sense of morality sounds abhorrent to me.