Artists were never appreciated throughout history. Theyve underpaid and overworked their entire careers. Being an artist already comes with the stereotype that you'll be homeless. Mindless slop ragebait is what gets on the front pages online, never good art, or artists. People undermine the skill really needed to be good, so banana on the wall gets millions- MASTER CLASS ARTISTRY will get like 20 likes on social media. When will we realize that the world never cared for us.
I will never forgive DeviantArt for screwing over their community, TWICE. First when eclipse came out, which I didn't super have a problem with, but I know lots of people had issues with. Then it was them monetizing and letting AI slop roam free on their ART WEBSITE... I just can't bring myself to post on DA no more...
Modern DA is just not usable for artists tbh. Makes me sad that people new to the art community will never experience what da from 5 years ago and older felt like lol
I was in DA when Touhou was popular at its heights. I deleted my DA account 2 years ago when I learnt about what they've done. Even if I'd always be inferior in Pixiv, It's less bad there to post there since you can filter out AI images through settings even if its getting flooded too.
i think the shift to short form content being prioritised in algorithms really did it for me. I'm an artist, not a content creator. I don't want to draw trends, I don't want to make videos, I don't want to make art for the sake of appeasing people. Instagram pushing posts with music into the reels feed has forced me to start adding music to my posts even though I vehemently hate that shit. It feels like I have to do all this unneccessary extra work that adds no value to my artwork just to get seen and, even then, I don't. It feels like the IRL art community is the only place that genuinely has any promise for me and understands the way I connect with drawing nowadays :{
I kind of love toyhouse for those same reasons, its so easy to find new artists of all skill levels by just looking at forums or the recently added characters. and its so oc driven instead of based off trends, like occasionally you'll find someone with a fandom pfp and connect over that, but more often than not you find people for their art and what they're interested in. And I think that's great :)
I forgot ToyHouse isn't just a OC storage site ☠️😭 Edit; Guys, there are forums on Toy House where people leave codes for anyone to use!!! That's how I got mine, I just looked codes up on Google and found one there
I feel like youtube creating feels more corporate than places like tiktok 😭 all of my youtube shorts (and yt shorts in general) feel so personalityless and unrelatable, like i have to think of what would do well/how to optimize rather than posting random fun stuff
I see yt shorts and yt long form as two different places honestly. All the content on yt shorts feels like either stuff reposted from tiktok and insta or stuff aimed at a really young and specific target audience
i've gone from twitter, to tumblr, to bluesky, and trying to get any sort of traction is so god damn difficult. it feels like you just get stuck in a limbo of only getting 5 or so interactions, with the rare post getting 10 or 20 for months on repeat while your commissions stay completely dry. it does make me want to just quit trying to post my art online.
@@Themrsnappyifylike twitter if twitter wasn’t actively hostile. I quite like it, it has pretty good filtering so by picking feeds I care about and muting content I don’t like, I pretty much don’t see anything I don’t want to. But I’m on it for fan stuff so I can see it would suck for original work - I’m in a feed for ship A/B so I see anything tagged A/B or B/A and nothing *not* tagged with those comes up on the feed, meaning I don’t often see B/C, and having blacklisted B/C means I have to actively choose to click on it cos the posts with B/C in the text are hidden. However that also means that i don’t see creators’ original content or non ship content unless I go to their profile. As a beginner artist w next to no following, I see a lot more interaction on BS than tumblr, but it does only have about 10 million users and they’re generally in small communities ime. Pros and cons!
It really was sad to see the art community turn into everyone hating on new artist as well . Like I remember back then people where so much more welcoming to beginner artist : C
Watching deviantART turn into a slop factory in real time hurt so much. I tried giving it a chance past Eclipse; but once they gave the ok to those AI “artists” to post on their site, I deleted everything from my account (tried deleting my account outright too, but dA is a glitchy mess, so I can’t????). dA was one of the first websites dedicated to art that I joined all the way back in 2014, and I made so many friends because we shared common interests. But, again, the people running the site shot themselves in the foot. And now I’m here, only having a Twitter and a RUclips because I basically had a mental breakdown earlier this year and deleted my other social media accounts, hhhhhh. EDIT: In case you’re wondering, yes, I use to have videos uploaded on this RUclips account. But because of the previously mentioned breakdown, they’re gone. I do plan on reviving it one day, though.
IVE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THIS IMMENSELY LATELY, not just in the art community but like everything as a whole?!?!?! Everything feels so,,,, bland and sanitized?? All social platforms function EXACTLY the same, its just a matter of what color and format you want :( Shows, movies, stores, everything feels so soulless and copy cat Im really hoping for a creative boom soon, it’s so difficult to find drive when the world is just copy+paste from reality all the way to the web.
Theres suck a lack of incentive or drive for exploration on the web now, we have all the knowledge and data and connections in the whole world,,, and ur tellin me google can’t answer questions now- 😭😭
AUUGH i feel this. in my bones and soul. everything is just kind of like a bland sludge nowadays?? no community only brands and trends. like even with games too, like roblox i feel its effected a ton bc like you cant scroll down or search anything without seeing like 30 generic obbys or simulators with ai generated thumbnails and its so hard to actually find anything to play now?? and even if you did find something, chances are theres not gonna be any real community to be found playing it. i dunno what to do rlly so im just kinda.. waiting and hoping something happens to change that. (also idk where to fit this in but uhh. like remember those old drawing/animation sites?? like toonator, drawn, etc. those were cool but most of them feel really abandoned now (or are completely dead like toonator) which makes me sad ;w;)
@@TwinkleMaddie there’s nothing wrong with art/concepts thats simpler in nature!! (If thats what u mean) My problem is that a lot of stuff feels the same, it feels ‘safe’ like no one’s willing to branch out and take risks when it comes to media. (NOT EVERYTHING!!! Theres still a handful of creativity and differentiation out there!) i use Pixar/Disney as an example, they DOMINATED the animation industry but if you ask somebody what their favorite disney movie is, more often than not it will not be a movie released in the past 5-10+ yrs,, which is a good amount of time. This is all subjective though, i could be a sour sally 😭😭 i just feel like companies and developers only do what makes the most amount of money, and i get it their a business but the point of social medias was that they all had their own thing and had their own purpose, which provided an incentive to use said apps. Now that they all feel the same, there’s little to no motivation to explore or branch out. Take my opinion with a salt lamp, cause ik i am pretty biased with older web culture 😭😭
@@WiseKayeoss THIS!!!! Its so disappointing :( I remember going out the other day with my friend and seeing fast food chains and i went “if you took away their signage, do you think you’d be able to tell what was what without going inside?” They said “probably but unless its distinct it’d be difficult” and ik its not everyones opinion but like 😭😭 its insane how gray, beige, and brown everything is now
I relate to the whole sentiment of wishing you were born earlier to be able to experience what the internet was like before, I used to be on instagram during lockdown and I think that was the last time I really felt like I was part of an art community. However just recently making a consistent effort to teach myself how to animate, I do wish I started way earlier when the animation meme community was an actual community for lack of better wording.
I feel like something that is also SAD for us artist, is the bot invasion, how many time small artist got excited by a DM, by a notification, just to see a bot account trying to scam them...? Twitter, Insta, Tumblr, DA, they all go that issue. The worse is on twitter, you don't get notified when a bot follow you (thx elon I guess) so you need to check, and spend time to make sure that you don't have hundred of bots in your follower counter, last time I did a check, I removed 200 account from my 2019 twitter followers count. As small artist, INTERNET IS DEAD, it's filled with bots, no more social interaction, and HOW HARD IT IS TO ENTER CIRCLES OF ARTIST IN NICHES ?? HELLO?? I tried for 2 years to enter a circles of artist in the AOT fandom since it's my hyperfixation... I managed to get 2 friends, by posting fanart, following trend, doing original work, trying to engage with other people, they already have their friend and don't need any, so instead you bootlick hard people, YOU WILL BE ALONE!! and as an introvert I HATE that since commenting someone I'm not a moot with is hard for me... I'm starting to refocus my art career, redid my twitter account but my new one was called a bot cuz I had a backlog of art I posted one per one everyday, I got banned 10 hours for that?? I'm trying to look for friend, but it's either people with little to no interest similar to me that just want follow for follow or people already in circle and are "pretty big" so they won't care about my new account :/ I never felt so alone on social media before...
I miss the old communities so so much, but back then, the content was more of "I made this and am so excited, here it is" and you could talk about it. Now it's a lot of "relatable, funny, fast" short videos/text posts where a creator's personality doesn't shine through, since most creators start catering to an algorithm rather than sharing for their own sake. How people find you changed: Instagram relies on reels for traffic, RUclips relies on shorts for traffic. Toyhouse and deviant art are less for communicating about the art, more about the sellable value of things now. Tothouse stores my art and characters, but doesn't ever spark art conversations with those tiny comment bubbles!! The problem is not that an artwork is bad, or the person posting is bad, it's that it isn't fast and easy to consume. As an instagram 3D artist, I see time and time again where text-post pictures of relatable art content show up more whenever I look for art, and it's on artist accounts trying to gain traction. There is no community with that. I get the reason for the algorithm, but to push back small artist makes me sad. Showing only amazing unbelievable things makes me sad. I want to see more emotion, more people wnjoying art. Epic video as always!
this is mostly about commissions/selling but i feel that it's still relevant one of the best things of old deviantart is that 13yo me could just draw some dogs on a premade base, upload it, submit in 539 different groups and eventually, someone would like the design i made and buy it for like 50 points some days ago i saw a video of someone that was "tips to get art commissions" and the first one was literally "grow an audience" i am an artist, not a marketing expert, i don't want to have to BEG for a slim second of attention with reels or silly memes or fanart of popular media, i don't want my art to be a marketed neatly packaged content to be consumed, i want people to see what i do and either like it, or buy it, if they think it's cool with dA groups i knew that my things were being shown to people that WANTED to see them, because groups were caregorized into folders, so if someone wanted to see my dog adopt, they would have to go to the dogs folder, with modern social media i am marketing to everyone, 90% of the views in my work are from users that are not interested in buying art (and god forbid your drawing shows up on the timeline of someone who doesn't like what you do and decides that it's okay to just be mean on people's art. thankfully i was never harassed or anything, but i always had anxiety posting stuff on twitter because of the toxicity there) what i want to get is that, deviantart, even if flawed, served to me as the perfect way to both casually share my art AND sell my stuff, nowadays, art-sharing platforms are mostly for artists to artists, meaning that you likely won't find a lot of commissioners on artfol or cara, if you want to sell your stuff you either have to build an audience or go on various discord servers/subreddits offering your services, which is again, a lot of work to someone who draws, and isn't supposed to do marketing i'm just very furstrated at the amount of mental effort i need to put just to reach people, both to share AND sell my work, both of them feel like a chore to do, i need to put captions but in a word limit, i need to put tags but not too much, i need to worry about cropping if applicable, hell if i still had instagram i would've needed to put songs and extra random images at the end just to make people swipe more, it's an huge amount of effort to in the end of the day get some like numbers and maybe two comments from my art friends that i met a decade ago (because forming new friendships is also hard in the current environment)
With the thing on cancel culture, THANK YOU I hate cancel culture so much. Two accounts i love got in an argument over politics!! POLITICS!!! The person who was saying to cancel the other was in the wrong too, and I'm just thinking like... Why does it matter SOO much? Why can't we just get along despite our beliefs?? I'd understand if they were talking about hate speech but they werent 😭 it was all just assumptions based on beliefs the other person had. And i know that they weren't correct assumptions because it was over something i agree with ☠️ Like why cant we just seriously focus on the main focus of our accounts such as yknow... Our art? Cancel culture is so damaging to communites because, not only does it silence people because theyre literally afraid to talk about things, but because it causes a division and it ruins the magic in some cases 😕
i have been feeling this same way since a couple years ago! the art community doesnt really feel like a community to me anymore, it feels more like an advertised and algorithmic thing than a community. the fact everything is spoon fed to you by the algorithm based off your likes sucks, its made it SO difficult for me to find new artists and new topics i never knew to check out. because it just isnt in the list of things i already like. i hope that the art community can heal, as well as the communities online and irl. it feels like theres been a big disconnect in general with people in the world as a whole. your video was great!
I missed the time before this world became fast trend. I feel like I can easily connect with the fandom, enjoying every art. Ugly or gorgeous, i will enjoy them. Now, everything is fast. I can't take a moment to appreciate anything. I dont feel connected.... I feel, isolated What did this world goes wrong?
The internet doesn’t seem as fun as it used to, especially when it comes to communities. It felt like it was easier to connect to people back then, and it was so much fun seeing artists getting to have fun with each other! It helped us all feel less alone Now it kinda just feels like no matter where I post, I feel like I’m just shouting into a void. It’s harder to talk to people and form friendships, and even places like discord servers feel very shallow (despite the point is to connect and to be part of a community). Social media doesn’t feel all that “social” anymore,and it kinda stinks
Engagement in social media nowadays is really shitty I think. People used to write way more comments, used to share other people’s posts, used to actually press that ‘like’ button. Nowadays it’s really easy to see like posts with relatively many views but basically 0 comments and likes, I thought I was just unlucky with getting traction UNTIL I saw few people irl getting content they love on their pages, saying ‘omg I loveee it! that’s my favorite artist’ and they don’t like, share or comment anything under that post. Some of them don’t even follow their ‘favorite content creators’, they just SEARCH THEIR NICKNAME every time they want to see this person’s content. I think that’s absolutely crazy. Why did people stop engaging with content they love?
I kinda think that the lack of interactions is partially caused by short paced trend content that looks almost the same(because god forbid you do something different, people will literally bully you off of the internet if that ‘different’ would be too extreme for them to handle) nowadays. People get bored with this kind of content really fast and therefore don’t interact with it. Like, it’s almost all the same, and if it’s in video form it’s really short. You’ll obviously get bored really fast of seeing the same ten second video of that one trending sound but with slightly different characters over and over again until the trend dies in like a week. It’s a paradox, really. You NEED to follow trends because otherwise it’s impossible to get ANY kind of traction, but if you do follow them people usually don’t interact with it all that much because this type of content 99% of times is really boring and repetitive. You cannot win no matter what.
Also… old internet was much more welcoming to content of people no matter their skills, like, yeah I know people would still occasionally say that your drawings are ugly or that you don’t deserve your following, but I feel like it happens WAAAAAY more often now. Your art is slightly worse than the average? You’ll get bullied off the internet. Your art is in slightly more unique style than the average? You’ll get bullied off the internet. You try to experiment with something in your drawings(like drawing different angles or some extreme perspective) that people would praise you for like five years ago? Now you’ll get bullied off the internet because it ‘doesn’t look professional’. Internet used to be so cool because people here were all almost exactly like you. Just common folk. Television was the thing for all the ‘megasuperprofessional’ people with expensive cameras and microphones and other shit. Now you can get bullied if you don’t have the same quality as they do.
As someone whos been on the internet for... ever... at this point. For me the true shift in thw community happened when dA changed its layout. DA was formerly the LAST remnant of what the community used to be like. A site without much of an algorithm and you got all your following notifs in your inbox (AND THEY STAYED THERE!! UNTIL YOU CLOSED THEM!!! i miss this so much... i never catch what ppl i follow post anymore bc of the shift away from this notification style its SO SAD. I feel like this style in itself would fix a lot of the problems on sites like sheezy and cara. Its also why i like toyhouse so much. Please im desperate bring back the inbox BRING IT BACK!!!!) I get some ppl like the feed style but i really dont understand why. How do you see what artists you follow post? Its a good way to find new artists but a SHITTY way to keep up with the ones you ALREADY FOLLOW... theres almost no point to follow artists anymore bc its not like youll ever see what they post anyway unless youre literally online 24/7 (which is very unhealthy... if you do this... please go outside, go to a national park, go to the movies, go hang out with friends at a local coffee shop) The inbox style helped you stay up to date with the artists you follow WHILE not having to be watching a feed 24/7 You could take a break for a week without missing anything bc itll all be there waiting for you to catch up on in your inbox!!!! I thoroughly DESPISE the switch to solely feed based, no notifications/no inbox, and i think this is the root cause of all of the other problems we have with social media. The algorithms should NOT be telling us what goes into our notifs. The FOLLOW BUTTON ahould ne what tells the site to put things in our notifications like it was before. Idk who decided that people dont want inboxes anymore but its really fucking sucked. Oh yeah and those that do have inboxes they clear your notifs when you so much as open the inbox and holy shit i hate that too!!! The old style that dA (and other sites) used to have was so much nicer. So much more control over it. Tbh keep the feed pages too bc like i said its good for discovery! But bring back inboxes. But the sites wont do that because they want us to be terminally online xD....
The sad part is that some artists live in rural areas and most of the time there's no third places for people to hang out maybe except a bar for me and its so hard to find irl friends.
@raven8430 that used to be the same for me. Moving to the city was the best decision for my mental health ever. Ik thats not realistic for everyone though.
People were always getting called out for things or being shit talked about on the internet (i saw what yall posted on ED...). I feel like back then in the early DA days your average person wasnt expected to post professionally produced high quality art vids too.
i feel the need to point out that back then you grew your socials by getting mutuals and following people, if you followed any small artist theres a good chance they’d follow you back, and a lot of friendships would pursue just because me and someone else commented on eachother’s work, nowadays it’s incredibly rare to the point where it feels impossible to network, especially on youtube. tbh the best luck i’ve had is deviantart??? i haven’t even had much luck on Cara and especially not on Tumblr… its to the point where even the small creators see you as just another follower rather than someone who also posts cool art that you can follow back and become mutuals/friends with. i miss those times.
Social media itself is failing its users, the internet started dying when personal websites started dying, we no longer have cheap domains and easy hosting providers like in the early days of the internet now its specifically designed to cause users to go to the large social media platforms that have little to no customization at all for the sake of uniformity, back in the early 2000s there was websites of all types with their own unique designs and webrings to promote your friends sites but now theres nothing left
its why i mainly use Cara now, so i can see art + creativity and like see postivity and just post my art. i like that the platform is not really like other websites in a sense. and even though i dont interact with other people much (due to mental health stuff) my art still manages to get traction plus theres not much drama
Personally I didn't get any kind of community vibe from cara so I stopped posting. It moves super slow and the only art that gets any visibility is famous artists doing digital stylistic realism. The only way to see small artists or specific styles is to sort by new or search on hashtags, but it's still hard to form connections. Ends up being like an ethical version of Instagram which is a nice idea but insta wasn't good for communities in the first place. A real bummer.
I think people are definitely feeling this collectively and are looking for that connection and community from social media again. Especially with art since it doesn’t really feel like there’s a place online that prioritized artists like it used to. I was on deviant art in the early days but left after things went downhill. I haven’t really felt like there’s a platform I can go to to just post my art, it feels more like a chore now. I’m trying to give tumblr a try, but I haven’t gotten anyone to actually reply back to me despite getting some likes and reposts. It’s a strange time for social media for sure.
Seems about right, tried posting my stuff recently and the lack of direction on where to post is real. Your point about the lack of 'community feel' within the art communities is also very much true, probably has to do with people on the internet being less empathetic than before, the web was never a safe haven, but at least people recognized artists as people. Cancel culture made everyone into a drama puppet that can be discarded when the audience gets bored. End of rant.
I wasn't popular when i started out on Deviant Art, but i know i used to be able to talk to people around that time when it was my only platform to post art before I found out about the other social medias (i don't use Instagram and i deleted Twitter this year), but i recall they (medias) used to have personality to them in a way, like you could feel there were some aesthetics going on, but now they are all just plain simple and boring, just trying to cash on what's popular and what's not I wish things could go back the same way it used to be for artists honestly, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way
Really feeling the lack of community thing. I've been posting my art online since about 2014 and I really miss DeviantArt for this reason. And say what you will about Amino but I have never felt the sense of community i've felt from there since it died. And thats why I've held on to it for way longer than I should've. Instagram was doing fine but now its terrible. Just when I was starting to gain any sort of following and community on twitter elon took over and the site went down hill. And twitter is so toxic that I recently decided to leave because my art doesn't even show up in my friend's algorithms anymore so I have literally no reason to stay. I recently joined tumblr and for me thats fairing better than the other places but honestly rn having a small discord community where people happen to share their art with each other seems like the best community I can find and that feels sad. I'm considering starting an art channel but the art community on youtube also scares me as the twitter and tik tok mentalities start to carry over.
I'm only on Cara now, ditched everything else over their misuse of art and any content for their AIs. Cara doesn't permit AI art on their platform and seeing only human made art has been really refreshing. I also enjoy interacting with others there because people open up to actual conversations on it and there is no drama, just art in all shapes and sizes. It feels like an "art home" to me where I can display my portfolio, but also freely share sketches or other things I'm interested in to my timeline to connect with other creatives.
very well said- i think we should all make personal goals toward rebuilding our lost communities personally, i theorize it's all a result of normies invading spaces and taking them over only to say "this wasn't that bad" while demanding more content that is exactly the same as the watered down versions of more authentic communities (furry, alt fashion, fanfiction) and the more authentic members that previously enjoyed those communities have had to scramble into hiding again like romans during the fall
I personally feel like I have nver really found my place on here to be as an artist. Which is kinda sad. I just feel every possible social is just going down hill in one way or another. (yes that includes sides like artfool and cara)
This is so real unfortunately. I created an instagram account a few weeks ago in hopes of making new art friends, maybe promoting my commissions etc, but was left with my posts gaining no traction whatsoever. One big tip people promoted for your account to gain more attention is to post consistent reels, but even that doesn’t work (at least for me). I really want to switch to a different platform but I don’t even know which one atp. Does anyone maybe have any advice?
I'm at the point where I've gotten completely numb and used to being screwed over as a small artist, so I don't care about being consistent or trying to gain traction anymore because there's no point. It's unfortunate that it's killed a lot of my motivation to post in the process but it might honestly be for the better because at least I'm not posting TOO MUCH and burning myself out for breadcrumbs of temporary fame. I'm dedicating that energy towards my college work and giving myself breaks so I don't burn out as fast. I no longer have time to worry about internet fame like I used to in high school because I'm a grown woman with a BFA in Animation to work towards. I can't afford to care and worry about traction on the internet when it doesn't matter, my degree does. I still post but I make it very clear that I post mainly for myself now because of the algorithm hiding me away for so long. I'm used to it now, I've adapted. But I've also been completely isolated and forgotten about in my own community as a result
Yeah, as someone who has been online for many years, i really miss the older days where there was that sense of community as you put beautifully. Maybe things may shift, idk. I hope it does one day. I'm really struggling to keep pushing through bc i just feel like no matter what i do, it's "wrong" or like "not good enough." It's really just like confusing and disheartening, honestly.
14:01 i relate to this so much, honestly this entire video explains how i feel. i wish we could go back to 2018 storytime animation and other stuff like that. now everything feels cooperate or personality-less.
Golly I'll be darned, I'm an artist who almost never posted my art anywhere after thinking for a while because of the "art lore" and more complicated stuff but still! : I posted my art, wrote some fun comments AND GOT BANNED?? Now I would be tweaking and screaming right now, but my art got ZERO TRACTION.I got 300 views, 11 likes and one was from my mommy trying to hype me up (she's an angel for that.) Don't feel like I will ever post my art anywhere again, legit nothing works for me it's legit the same, I'll get like 10-20 likes and the only person who will actually give me nice comments will be NO ONE (but again my mommy will ehhehe) It's legit draining it's like a cycle, I post my art, no one sees it, feels like if I did anything but problematic art I won't get anything, no traction, nothing. Now I will NEVER post problematic art in my whole life but feels like the only way to get any interest, community is to do something insane and crazy. I'm sometimes on tumblr and I see like 0 toxicity, I might start posting there. I'm also not a digital artist, but actually a traditional one xd so that makes it even worse. Now I could go talking to EVERY artist trying to make connections, but it would feel like I'm forcing people to like and repost my content out of pity. Grahh it's too hard to be an artist for me, it feels like I'll be bullied off, have no traction or literally any views. I'm not great with talking to ANYBODY that I don't know. I've just had this idea that I'll post my art any everyone will cheer me on and give compliments and 0 of those things happen. SORRY FOR YAPPING GANG.. I'm a yapper at heart..
I'm planning on starting up some accounts to post my art on soon, and this made me wish I could start them in that golden Era. I do plan on doing it more for fun then for success, though, so I suppose in a way I'm bringing a part of the old vibe, even if it might result in a small audience at best. Love your videos btw! (I was also jumpscared by your voice a bit before I remembered it just changes like that lol)
Social media was never meant for artists. Artists just managed to adapt to an algorythm that was made with growth, advertising and extremely short form post and interactions in mind.
Great video! I don't feel like I've ever been a community-driven person, and I thought that was the main reason I haven't been able to find a foothold on any social media. The weird era of drama made it much more unapealing.
@@bamb3928 youtube introduced shorts in 2020 (i think) which was also the time of tiktoks uprising from covid, the shorter form content was more unique for musically which then turned into tiktok, so..
I’ve been posting a lot more regularly on youtube and Instagram the past few months, and I think maybe one or two videos have gone “viral” by my standards (like 1k-2k views lmfao). I’ve maybe gained like 15 insta followers from it, but youtube I’ve noticed people do tend to follow you more- this account went from 15 subs to like 60 in a few days which is crazy imo. I really dislike the direction social media is taking the art community, though :( the toxicity in the tiktok community and of course the little to no exposure great artists get is super sad :(
I am an artist but I would more like to comment on the content creation side because I have more experience in that front. I've been doing short form content from my start. I had my "debut" on tiktok with my dink masks and after my first account got banned I moved to a different one. I joined a hype house and with that made minot friendships with the people in it. This was all about a year or two ago and then I had more freedom to do what I want, people would watch it no matter what I posted. I don't remember how much I averaged in views because it was a while ago but i do remember it was a good amount. I abandoned TikTok after a maybe six months for reasons I wont mention because that's not the point. After a good few months maybe a year long break from content creation, I can back on RUclips shorts doing basically the same stuff I used to. I would follow trends and stuff and those videos didn't do much better then thee ones that didn't follow trends. My first video's averaged a good couple hundred views. But after a few months there was a change in something and my videos started flopping unless I did trends. Now, almost a year later and with nearly 6k subs, I still have to do trends or I don't even break 100 views. It's insane how much has changed in just the short time I've done RUclips.
Thank you for making this video❤ I’ve been fumbling with TikTok and instagram for nearly a year now and considering changing to RUclips you got any advice
Well, there are too many people who want to be seen as an artist but don't put the work into learning skill. They trace, copy, AI their way into your social media feed and pollute the work of real passionate artists. At least you are creating your own style, not hook up with anime like all the other grifters.
haven't finished the vid but Tumblr is great for artists especially for fandom ones, though it is kinda niche. Theres no algorithm, no fast scrolling you have to do to get smething interesting to look at, and the community is far more interactive than in say, Twit
Sadly for a queer social app, it is owned by a huge transphobe stalker that will get your account banned for no reason other than you post transgender content there. Yet it also has a popular hashtag of it and etc
@@_BubblGum_ thats just like, anywhere in general. Not just tumblr. People just dont care about ocs unless you spend a REALLY long time on them or make them interesting like Canisalbus did
@@nebulabunny8633 but tumblr is the worst of them all, my other socials are somewhat successful when it comes to posting about my OCs but tumblr? forget about it!
For me its the homogenization of styles, you draw pretty girls and boys in a vibrant semi realistic anime style or youre basically irrelevant. The beauty standards invading artwork too and everyones pretty twinks looking exactly the same, if you draw diverse art it just doesnt fit with the beauty standards and algorithms
This video made me realize I made art always catered slightly towards what my online friends would like. If I didn't i didn't bother to share it bc it was "Cringe" or "Not good enough" It lowkey felt like I was always catering to a private audience and the audience didn't even know they were being catered to! It's not their fault that I tend to do this but thanks for making this video. Made me think a bit harder than my one brain cell normally let's me lol
Artists? Social media is dead, for everyone. Its no longer a social place. Barely works for sharing. It died to corporate greed, advertisements and squeezing watch time out of the user. Maybe one day we'll have sustainable user-focused places in the internet, for now it's no more than a tool... :p
I eagerly await the day when advertisers realize they are advertising to AI and bots and they pull out of everything, making the whole corporate hellscape implode on itself, what an event that would be
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Artists were never appreciated throughout history. Theyve underpaid and overworked their entire careers. Being an artist already comes with the stereotype that you'll be homeless. Mindless slop ragebait is what gets on the front pages online, never good art, or artists. People undermine the skill really needed to be good, so banana on the wall gets millions- MASTER CLASS ARTISTRY will get like 20 likes on social media.
When will we realize that the world never cared for us.
It keeps on deleting my comment dude
Twitter/X is banned on Brazil, so I can't access it anymore!
I will never forgive DeviantArt for screwing over their community, TWICE. First when eclipse came out, which I didn't super have a problem with, but I know lots of people had issues with.
Then it was them monetizing and letting AI slop roam free on their ART WEBSITE... I just can't bring myself to post on DA no more...
Modern DA is just not usable for artists tbh. Makes me sad that people new to the art community will never experience what da from 5 years ago and older felt like lol
of course you cant bring yourself to post on modern DA anymore, it sucks, they basically turned it into an ai website
I was in DA when Touhou was popular at its heights. I deleted my DA account 2 years ago when I learnt about what they've done.
Even if I'd always be inferior in Pixiv, It's less bad there to post there since you can filter out AI images through settings even if its getting flooded too.
Art on Da now is mostly low quality. Those who are good at drawing all left.
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i think the shift to short form content being prioritised in algorithms really did it for me. I'm an artist, not a content creator. I don't want to draw trends, I don't want to make videos, I don't want to make art for the sake of appeasing people. Instagram pushing posts with music into the reels feed has forced me to start adding music to my posts even though I vehemently hate that shit. It feels like I have to do all this unneccessary extra work that adds no value to my artwork just to get seen and, even then, I don't. It feels like the IRL art community is the only place that genuinely has any promise for me and understands the way I connect with drawing nowadays :{
@@AUBREYMAFIA this comment sums it up so well
I kind of love toyhouse for those same reasons, its so easy to find new artists of all skill levels by just looking at forums or the recently added characters. and its so oc driven instead of based off trends, like occasionally you'll find someone with a fandom pfp and connect over that, but more often than not you find people for their art and what they're interested in. And I think that's great :)
I forgot ToyHouse isn't just a OC storage site ☠️😭
Edit; Guys, there are forums on Toy House where people leave codes for anyone to use!!! That's how I got mine, I just looked codes up on Google and found one there
I love the idea of toy house I got really excited about it. I just don’t know how to get a code to join
@@ajmccorristin1125 I can give you a code for free!
Here: WfsBRI8As1
If it doesn't work please lmk, and I will send another one
@@ajmccorristin1125 Just ask around (r/toyhouse is a good place to start)
I could give u one if u want :)
@@ajmccorristin1125 tons of toyhouse users have them, I can go on there and try to find one for you?
I feel like youtube creating feels more corporate than places like tiktok 😭 all of my youtube shorts (and yt shorts in general) feel so personalityless and unrelatable, like i have to think of what would do well/how to optimize rather than posting random fun stuff
I see yt shorts and yt long form as two different places honestly. All the content on yt shorts feels like either stuff reposted from tiktok and insta or stuff aimed at a really young and specific target audience
i've gone from twitter, to tumblr, to bluesky, and trying to get any sort of traction is so god damn difficult. it feels like you just get stuck in a limbo of only getting 5 or so interactions, with the rare post getting 10 or 20 for months on repeat while your commissions stay completely dry. it does make me want to just quit trying to post my art online.
whats yo bluesky
@@Themrsnappyifylike twitter if twitter wasn’t actively hostile. I quite like it, it has pretty good filtering so by picking feeds I care about and muting content I don’t like, I pretty much don’t see anything I don’t want to. But I’m on it for fan stuff so I can see it would suck for original work - I’m in a feed for ship A/B so I see anything tagged A/B or B/A and nothing *not* tagged with those comes up on the feed, meaning I don’t often see B/C, and having blacklisted B/C means I have to actively choose to click on it cos the posts with B/C in the text are hidden. However that also means that i don’t see creators’ original content or non ship content unless I go to their profile. As a beginner artist w next to no following, I see a lot more interaction on BS than tumblr, but it does only have about 10 million users and they’re generally in small communities ime. Pros and cons!
It really was sad to see the art community turn into everyone hating on new artist as well . Like I remember back then people where so much more welcoming to beginner artist : C
Watching deviantART turn into a slop factory in real time hurt so much. I tried giving it a chance past Eclipse; but once they gave the ok to those AI “artists” to post on their site, I deleted everything from my account (tried deleting my account outright too, but dA is a glitchy mess, so I can’t????).
dA was one of the first websites dedicated to art that I joined all the way back in 2014, and I made so many friends because we shared common interests. But, again, the people running the site shot themselves in the foot. And now I’m here, only having a Twitter and a RUclips because I basically had a mental breakdown earlier this year and deleted my other social media accounts, hhhhhh.
EDIT: In case you’re wondering, yes, I use to have videos uploaded on this RUclips account. But because of the previously mentioned breakdown, they’re gone. I do plan on reviving it one day, though.
IVE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THIS IMMENSELY LATELY, not just in the art community but like everything as a whole?!?!?!
Everything feels so,,,, bland and sanitized?? All social platforms function EXACTLY the same, its just a matter of what color and format you want :(
Shows, movies, stores, everything feels so soulless and copy cat
Im really hoping for a creative boom soon, it’s so difficult to find drive when the world is just copy+paste from reality all the way to the web.
Theres suck a lack of incentive or drive for exploration on the web now, we have all the knowledge and data and connections in the whole world,,, and ur tellin me google can’t answer questions now- 😭😭
AUUGH i feel this. in my bones and soul. everything is just kind of like a bland sludge nowadays?? no community only brands and trends.
like even with games too, like roblox i feel its effected a ton bc like you cant scroll down or search anything without seeing like 30 generic obbys or simulators with ai generated thumbnails and its so hard to actually find anything to play now?? and even if you did find something, chances are theres not gonna be any real community to be found playing it.
i dunno what to do rlly so im just kinda.. waiting and hoping something happens to change that.
(also idk where to fit this in but uhh. like remember those old drawing/animation sites?? like toonator, drawn, etc. those were cool but most of them feel really abandoned now (or are completely dead like toonator) which makes me sad ;w;)
Well how do you make something not soulless? I'm afraid my show concepts and art are soulless.
@@TwinkleMaddie there’s nothing wrong with art/concepts thats simpler in nature!! (If thats what u mean)
My problem is that a lot of stuff feels the same, it feels ‘safe’ like no one’s willing to branch out and take risks when it comes to media. (NOT EVERYTHING!!! Theres still a handful of creativity and differentiation out there!) i use Pixar/Disney as an example, they DOMINATED the animation industry but if you ask somebody what their favorite disney movie is, more often than not it will not be a movie released in the past 5-10+ yrs,, which is a good amount of time. This is all subjective though, i could be a sour sally 😭😭 i just feel like companies and developers only do what makes the most amount of money, and i get it their a business but the point of social medias was that they all had their own thing and had their own purpose, which provided an incentive to use said apps. Now that they all feel the same, there’s little to no motivation to explore or branch out.
Take my opinion with a salt lamp, cause ik i am pretty biased with older web culture 😭😭
@@WiseKayeoss THIS!!!! Its so disappointing :(
I remember going out the other day with my friend and seeing fast food chains and i went “if you took away their signage, do you think you’d be able to tell what was what without going inside?” They said “probably but unless its distinct it’d be difficult” and ik its not everyones opinion but like 😭😭 its insane how gray, beige, and brown everything is now
I relate to the whole sentiment of wishing you were born earlier to be able to experience what the internet was like before,
I used to be on instagram during lockdown and I think that was the last time I really felt like I was part of an art community. However just recently making a consistent effort to teach myself how to animate, I do wish I started way earlier when the animation meme community was an actual community for lack of better wording.
I feel like something that is also SAD for us artist, is the bot invasion, how many time small artist got excited by a DM, by a notification, just to see a bot account trying to scam them...? Twitter, Insta, Tumblr, DA, they all go that issue. The worse is on twitter, you don't get notified when a bot follow you (thx elon I guess) so you need to check, and spend time to make sure that you don't have hundred of bots in your follower counter, last time I did a check, I removed 200 account from my 2019 twitter followers count. As small artist, INTERNET IS DEAD, it's filled with bots, no more social interaction, and HOW HARD IT IS TO ENTER CIRCLES OF ARTIST IN NICHES ?? HELLO?? I tried for 2 years to enter a circles of artist in the AOT fandom since it's my hyperfixation... I managed to get 2 friends, by posting fanart, following trend, doing original work, trying to engage with other people, they already have their friend and don't need any, so instead you bootlick hard people, YOU WILL BE ALONE!! and as an introvert I HATE that since commenting someone I'm not a moot with is hard for me...
I'm starting to refocus my art career, redid my twitter account but my new one was called a bot cuz I had a backlog of art I posted one per one everyday, I got banned 10 hours for that?? I'm trying to look for friend, but it's either people with little to no interest similar to me that just want follow for follow or people already in circle and are "pretty big" so they won't care about my new account :/ I never felt so alone on social media before...
ooooof.. yeah, community feels so hard to find now, it's so difficult to make friends and connections with other people
I miss the old communities so so much, but back then, the content was more of "I made this and am so excited, here it is" and you could talk about it. Now it's a lot of "relatable, funny, fast" short videos/text posts where a creator's personality doesn't shine through, since most creators start catering to an algorithm rather than sharing for their own sake. How people find you changed: Instagram relies on reels for traffic, RUclips relies on shorts for traffic. Toyhouse and deviant art are less for communicating about the art, more about the sellable value of things now. Tothouse stores my art and characters, but doesn't ever spark art conversations with those tiny comment bubbles!!
The problem is not that an artwork is bad, or the person posting is bad, it's that it isn't fast and easy to consume. As an instagram 3D artist, I see time and time again where text-post pictures of relatable art content show up more whenever I look for art, and it's on artist accounts trying to gain traction. There is no community with that.
I get the reason for the algorithm, but to push back small artist makes me sad. Showing only amazing unbelievable things makes me sad. I want to see more emotion, more people wnjoying art.
Epic video as always!
this is mostly about commissions/selling but i feel that it's still relevant
one of the best things of old deviantart is that 13yo me could just draw some dogs on a premade base, upload it, submit in 539 different groups and eventually, someone would like the design i made and buy it for like 50 points
some days ago i saw a video of someone that was "tips to get art commissions" and the first one was literally "grow an audience"
i am an artist, not a marketing expert, i don't want to have to BEG for a slim second of attention with reels or silly memes or fanart of popular media, i don't want my art to be a marketed neatly packaged content to be consumed, i want people to see what i do and either like it, or buy it, if they think it's cool
with dA groups i knew that my things were being shown to people that WANTED to see them, because groups were caregorized into folders, so if someone wanted to see my dog adopt, they would have to go to the dogs folder, with modern social media i am marketing to everyone, 90% of the views in my work are from users that are not interested in buying art (and god forbid your drawing shows up on the timeline of someone who doesn't like what you do and decides that it's okay to just be mean on people's art. thankfully i was never harassed or anything, but i always had anxiety posting stuff on twitter because of the toxicity there)
what i want to get is that, deviantart, even if flawed, served to me as the perfect way to both casually share my art AND sell my stuff, nowadays, art-sharing platforms are mostly for artists to artists, meaning that you likely won't find a lot of commissioners on artfol or cara, if you want to sell your stuff you either have to build an audience or go on various discord servers/subreddits offering your services, which is again, a lot of work to someone who draws, and isn't supposed to do marketing
i'm just very furstrated at the amount of mental effort i need to put just to reach people, both to share AND sell my work, both of them feel like a chore to do, i need to put captions but in a word limit, i need to put tags but not too much, i need to worry about cropping if applicable, hell if i still had instagram i would've needed to put songs and extra random images at the end just to make people swipe more, it's an huge amount of effort to in the end of the day get some like numbers and maybe two comments from my art friends that i met a decade ago (because forming new friendships is also hard in the current environment)
you hit the nail right on the head
With the thing on cancel culture, THANK YOU
I hate cancel culture so much. Two accounts i love got in an argument over politics!! POLITICS!!! The person who was saying to cancel the other was in the wrong too, and I'm just thinking like... Why does it matter SOO much? Why can't we just get along despite our beliefs?? I'd understand if they were talking about hate speech but they werent 😭 it was all just assumptions based on beliefs the other person had. And i know that they weren't correct assumptions because it was over something i agree with ☠️
Like why cant we just seriously focus on the main focus of our accounts such as yknow... Our art? Cancel culture is so damaging to communites because, not only does it silence people because theyre literally afraid to talk about things, but because it causes a division and it ruins the magic in some cases 😕
i have been feeling this same way since a couple years ago! the art community doesnt really feel like a community to me anymore, it feels more like an advertised and algorithmic thing than a community. the fact everything is spoon fed to you by the algorithm based off your likes sucks, its made it SO difficult for me to find new artists and new topics i never knew to check out. because it just isnt in the list of things i already like.
i hope that the art community can heal, as well as the communities online and irl. it feels like theres been a big disconnect in general with people in the world as a whole. your video was great!
I missed the time before this world became fast trend.
I feel like I can easily connect with the fandom, enjoying every art. Ugly or gorgeous, i will enjoy them. Now, everything is fast. I can't take a moment to appreciate anything. I dont feel connected.... I feel, isolated
What did this world goes wrong?
The internet doesn’t seem as fun as it used to, especially when it comes to communities. It felt like it was easier to connect to people back then, and it was so much fun seeing artists getting to have fun with each other! It helped us all feel less alone
Now it kinda just feels like no matter where I post, I feel like I’m just shouting into a void. It’s harder to talk to people and form friendships, and even places like discord servers feel very shallow (despite the point is to connect and to be part of a community). Social media doesn’t feel all that “social” anymore,and it kinda stinks
Engagement in social media nowadays is really shitty I think. People used to write way more comments, used to share other people’s posts, used to actually press that ‘like’ button. Nowadays it’s really easy to see like posts with relatively many views but basically 0 comments and likes, I thought I was just unlucky with getting traction UNTIL I saw few people irl getting content they love on their pages, saying ‘omg I loveee it! that’s my favorite artist’ and they don’t like, share or comment anything under that post. Some of them don’t even follow their ‘favorite content creators’, they just SEARCH THEIR NICKNAME every time they want to see this person’s content. I think that’s absolutely crazy. Why did people stop engaging with content they love?
I kinda think that the lack of interactions is partially caused by short paced trend content that looks almost the same(because god forbid you do something different, people will literally bully you off of the internet if that ‘different’ would be too extreme for them to handle) nowadays. People get bored with this kind of content really fast and therefore don’t interact with it. Like, it’s almost all the same, and if it’s in video form it’s really short. You’ll obviously get bored really fast of seeing the same ten second video of that one trending sound but with slightly different characters over and over again until the trend dies in like a week.
It’s a paradox, really. You NEED to follow trends because otherwise it’s impossible to get ANY kind of traction, but if you do follow them people usually don’t interact with it all that much because this type of content 99% of times is really boring and repetitive. You cannot win no matter what.
Also… old internet was much more welcoming to content of people no matter their skills, like, yeah I know people would still occasionally say that your drawings are ugly or that you don’t deserve your following, but I feel like it happens WAAAAAY more often now. Your art is slightly worse than the average? You’ll get bullied off the internet. Your art is in slightly more unique style than the average? You’ll get bullied off the internet. You try to experiment with something in your drawings(like drawing different angles or some extreme perspective) that people would praise you for like five years ago? Now you’ll get bullied off the internet because it ‘doesn’t look professional’.
Internet used to be so cool because people here were all almost exactly like you. Just common folk. Television was the thing for all the ‘megasuperprofessional’ people with expensive cameras and microphones and other shit. Now you can get bullied if you don’t have the same quality as they do.
and this is why i learned to post for myself
As someone whos been on the internet for... ever... at this point. For me the true shift in thw community happened when dA changed its layout. DA was formerly the LAST remnant of what the community used to be like. A site without much of an algorithm and you got all your following notifs in your inbox (AND THEY STAYED THERE!! UNTIL YOU CLOSED THEM!!! i miss this so much... i never catch what ppl i follow post anymore bc of the shift away from this notification style its SO SAD. I feel like this style in itself would fix a lot of the problems on sites like sheezy and cara. Its also why i like toyhouse so much. Please im desperate bring back the inbox BRING IT BACK!!!!)
I get some ppl like the feed style but i really dont understand why. How do you see what artists you follow post? Its a good way to find new artists but a SHITTY way to keep up with the ones you ALREADY FOLLOW... theres almost no point to follow artists anymore bc its not like youll ever see what they post anyway unless youre literally online 24/7 (which is very unhealthy... if you do this... please go outside, go to a national park, go to the movies, go hang out with friends at a local coffee shop)
The inbox style helped you stay up to date with the artists you follow WHILE not having to be watching a feed 24/7
You could take a break for a week without missing anything bc itll all be there waiting for you to catch up on in your inbox!!!!
I thoroughly DESPISE the switch to solely feed based, no notifications/no inbox, and i think this is the root cause of all of the other problems we have with social media.
The algorithms should NOT be telling us what goes into our notifs. The FOLLOW BUTTON ahould ne what tells the site to put things in our notifications like it was before.
Idk who decided that people dont want inboxes anymore but its really fucking sucked.
Oh yeah and those that do have inboxes they clear your notifs when you so much as open the inbox and holy shit i hate that too!!! The old style that dA (and other sites) used to have was so much nicer. So much more control over it.
Tbh keep the feed pages too bc like i said its good for discovery! But bring back inboxes.
But the sites wont do that because they want us to be terminally online xD....
The sad part is that some artists live in rural areas and most of the time there's no third places for people to hang out maybe except a bar for me and its so hard to find irl friends.
@raven8430 that used to be the same for me. Moving to the city was the best decision for my mental health ever. Ik thats not realistic for everyone though.
People were always getting called out for things or being shit talked about on the internet (i saw what yall posted on ED...).
I feel like back then in the early DA days your average person wasnt expected to post professionally produced high quality art vids too.
GET THAT BANK QWIZZ!! But yeah no, social media fails artists who don't already have a platform / do not or cannot post consistantly imo
i feel the need to point out that back then you grew your socials by getting mutuals and following people, if you followed any small artist theres a good chance they’d follow you back, and a lot of friendships would pursue just because me and someone else commented on eachother’s work, nowadays it’s incredibly rare to the point where it feels impossible to network, especially on youtube. tbh the best luck i’ve had is deviantart??? i haven’t even had much luck on Cara and especially not on Tumblr… its to the point where even the small creators see you as just another follower rather than someone who also posts cool art that you can follow back and become mutuals/friends with. i miss those times.
Social media itself is failing its users, the internet started dying when personal websites started dying, we no longer have cheap domains and easy hosting providers like in the early days of the internet now its specifically designed to cause users to go to the large social media platforms that have little to no customization at all for the sake of uniformity, back in the early 2000s there was websites of all types with their own unique designs and webrings to promote your friends sites but now theres nothing left
Well there's still neocities...
YOUR CHANNEL IS SO UNDERRATEEDD +1 sub
its why i mainly use Cara now, so i can see art + creativity and like see postivity and just post my art. i like that the platform is not really like other websites in a sense. and even though i dont interact with other people much (due to mental health stuff) my art still manages to get traction plus theres not much drama
I use too. But I'm too disappointed that I'm not getting so much reviews and likes
Personally I didn't get any kind of community vibe from cara so I stopped posting. It moves super slow and the only art that gets any visibility is famous artists doing digital stylistic realism. The only way to see small artists or specific styles is to sort by new or search on hashtags, but it's still hard to form connections. Ends up being like an ethical version of Instagram which is a nice idea but insta wasn't good for communities in the first place. A real bummer.
I think people are definitely feeling this collectively and are looking for that connection and community from social media again. Especially with art since it doesn’t really feel like there’s a place online that prioritized artists like it used to. I was on deviant art in the early days but left after things went downhill. I haven’t really felt like there’s a platform I can go to to just post my art, it feels more like a chore now.
I’m trying to give tumblr a try, but I haven’t gotten anyone to actually reply back to me despite getting some likes and reposts. It’s a strange time for social media for sure.
Seems about right, tried posting my stuff recently and the lack of direction on where to post is real.
Your point about the lack of 'community feel' within the art communities is also very much true, probably has
to do with people on the internet being less empathetic than before, the web was never a safe haven, but
at least people recognized artists as people. Cancel culture made everyone into a drama puppet that can be discarded when the audience gets bored. End of rant.
I wasn't popular when i started out on Deviant Art, but i know i used to be able to talk to people around that time when it was my only platform to post art before I found out about the other social medias (i don't use Instagram and i deleted Twitter this year), but i recall they (medias) used to have personality to them in a way, like you could feel there were some aesthetics going on, but now they are all just plain simple and boring, just trying to cash on what's popular and what's not
I wish things could go back the same way it used to be for artists honestly, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way
Really feeling the lack of community thing. I've been posting my art online since about 2014 and I really miss DeviantArt for this reason. And say what you will about Amino but I have never felt the sense of community i've felt from there since it died. And thats why I've held on to it for way longer than I should've. Instagram was doing fine but now its terrible. Just when I was starting to gain any sort of following and community on twitter elon took over and the site went down hill. And twitter is so toxic that I recently decided to leave because my art doesn't even show up in my friend's algorithms anymore so I have literally no reason to stay.
I recently joined tumblr and for me thats fairing better than the other places but honestly rn having a small discord community where people happen to share their art with each other seems like the best community I can find and that feels sad. I'm considering starting an art channel but the art community on youtube also scares me as the twitter and tik tok mentalities start to carry over.
I'm only on Cara now, ditched everything else over their misuse of art and any content for their AIs. Cara doesn't permit AI art on their platform and seeing only human made art has been really refreshing. I also enjoy interacting with others there because people open up to actual conversations on it and there is no drama, just art in all shapes and sizes. It feels like an "art home" to me where I can display my portfolio, but also freely share sketches or other things I'm interested in to my timeline to connect with other creatives.
very well said- i think we should all make personal goals toward rebuilding our lost communities
personally, i theorize it's all a result of normies invading spaces and taking them over only to say "this wasn't that bad" while demanding more content that is exactly the same as the watered down versions of more authentic communities (furry, alt fashion, fanfiction) and the more authentic members that previously enjoyed those communities have had to scramble into hiding again like romans during the fall
I personally feel like I have nver really found my place on here to be as an artist. Which is kinda sad. I just feel every possible social is just going down hill in one way or another. (yes that includes sides like artfool and cara)
This is so real unfortunately. I created an instagram account a few weeks ago in hopes of making new art friends, maybe promoting my commissions etc, but was left with my posts gaining no traction whatsoever. One big tip people promoted for your account to gain more attention is to post consistent reels, but even that doesn’t work (at least for me). I really want to switch to a different platform but I don’t even know which one atp. Does anyone maybe have any advice?
I'm at the point where I've gotten completely numb and used to being screwed over as a small artist, so I don't care about being consistent or trying to gain traction anymore because there's no point. It's unfortunate that it's killed a lot of my motivation to post in the process but it might honestly be for the better because at least I'm not posting TOO MUCH and burning myself out for breadcrumbs of temporary fame. I'm dedicating that energy towards my college work and giving myself breaks so I don't burn out as fast. I no longer have time to worry about internet fame like I used to in high school because I'm a grown woman with a BFA in Animation to work towards. I can't afford to care and worry about traction on the internet when it doesn't matter, my degree does. I still post but I make it very clear that I post mainly for myself now because of the algorithm hiding me away for so long. I'm used to it now, I've adapted. But I've also been completely isolated and forgotten about in my own community as a result
Yeah, as someone who has been online for many years, i really miss the older days where there was that sense of community as you put beautifully.
Maybe things may shift, idk. I hope it does one day. I'm really struggling to keep pushing through bc i just feel like no matter what i do, it's "wrong" or like "not good enough." It's really just like confusing and disheartening, honestly.
I liek eggs
No way it’s BlackLightJack!!
Good to know Jack
thanks for letting the world know that you like eggs!
rawr
14:01 i relate to this so much, honestly this entire video explains how i feel. i wish we could go back to 2018 storytime animation and other stuff like that. now everything feels cooperate or personality-less.
Your art is so cute by the way!! I love the lineart brush you use ❤
Golly I'll be darned, I'm an artist who almost never posted my art anywhere after thinking for a while because of the "art lore" and more complicated stuff but still! : I posted my art, wrote some fun comments AND GOT BANNED?? Now I would be tweaking and screaming right now, but my art got ZERO TRACTION.I got 300 views, 11 likes and one was from my mommy trying to hype me up (she's an angel for that.) Don't feel like I will ever post my art anywhere again, legit nothing works for me it's legit the same, I'll get like 10-20 likes and the only person who will actually give me nice comments will be NO ONE (but again my mommy will ehhehe) It's legit draining it's like a cycle, I post my art, no one sees it, feels like if I did anything but problematic art I won't get anything, no traction, nothing. Now I will NEVER post problematic art in my whole life but feels like the only way to get any interest, community is to do something insane and crazy. I'm sometimes on tumblr and I see like 0 toxicity, I might start posting there. I'm also not a digital artist, but actually a traditional one xd so that makes it even worse. Now I could go talking to EVERY artist trying to make connections, but it would feel like I'm forcing people to like and repost my content out of pity. Grahh it's too hard to be an artist for me, it feels like I'll be bullied off, have no traction or literally any views. I'm not great with talking to ANYBODY that I don't know. I've just had this idea that I'll post my art any everyone will cheer me on and give compliments and 0 of those things happen. SORRY FOR YAPPING GANG.. I'm a yapper at heart..
I'm planning on starting up some accounts to post my art on soon, and this made me wish I could start them in that golden Era. I do plan on doing it more for fun then for success, though, so I suppose in a way I'm bringing a part of the old vibe, even if it might result in a small audience at best. Love your videos btw! (I was also jumpscared by your voice a bit before I remembered it just changes like that lol)
I really like your videos you always have something to say
Social media was never meant for artists. Artists just managed to adapt to an algorythm that was made with growth, advertising and extremely short form post and interactions in mind.
Your art is cool✌️
Great video! I don't feel like I've ever been a community-driven person, and I thought that was the main reason I haven't been able to find a foothold on any social media. The weird era of drama made it much more unapealing.
RUclips shorts absolutely RUINED RUclips. Does anyone else agree?
i very much so agree, it took away from youtubes unique use
Not entirely. I think it only really makes sense on RUclips but it has definitely ruined other social media like insta.
Yep.. it screwed us over
@@bamb3928 youtube introduced shorts in 2020 (i think) which was also the time of tiktoks uprising from covid, the shorter form content was more unique for musically which then turned into tiktok, so..
RUclips should add an option to turn of shorts
yayayayayya new quizz post!
I’ve been posting a lot more regularly on youtube and Instagram the past few months, and I think maybe one or two videos have gone “viral” by my standards (like 1k-2k views lmfao). I’ve maybe gained like 15 insta followers from it, but youtube I’ve noticed people do tend to follow you more- this account went from 15 subs to like 60 in a few days which is crazy imo. I really dislike the direction social media is taking the art community, though :( the toxicity in the tiktok community and of course the little to no exposure great artists get is super sad :(
CLOCK IT
I really hope mastodon or pixelfed take off, WE NEED DECENTRALIZED SOCIAL MEDIA ❤
I am an artist but I would more like to comment on the content creation side because I have more experience in that front.
I've been doing short form content from my start. I had my "debut" on tiktok with my dink masks and after my first account got banned I moved to a different one. I joined a hype house and with that made minot friendships with the people in it. This was all about a year or two ago and then I had more freedom to do what I want, people would watch it no matter what I posted. I don't remember how much I averaged in views because it was a while ago but i do remember it was a good amount.
I abandoned TikTok after a maybe six months for reasons I wont mention because that's not the point.
After a good few months maybe a year long break from content creation, I can back on RUclips shorts doing basically the same stuff I used to. I would follow trends and stuff and those videos didn't do much better then thee ones that didn't follow trends. My first video's averaged a good couple hundred views. But after a few months there was a change in something and my videos started flopping unless I did trends. Now, almost a year later and with nearly 6k subs, I still have to do trends or I don't even break 100 views.
It's insane how much has changed in just the short time I've done RUclips.
Thank you for making this video❤ I’ve been fumbling with TikTok and instagram for nearly a year now and considering changing to RUclips you got any advice
Well, there are too many people who want to be seen as an artist but don't put the work into learning skill. They trace, copy, AI their way into your social media feed and pollute the work of real passionate artists.
At least you are creating your own style, not hook up with anime like all the other grifters.
haven't finished the vid but Tumblr is great for artists especially for fandom ones, though it is kinda niche. Theres no algorithm, no fast scrolling you have to do to get smething interesting to look at, and the community is far more interactive than in say, Twit
unless if you draw OCs. my fandom content does numbers on tumblr, but as soon as i post my OCs my followers want nothing to do with me…
Sadly for a queer social app, it is owned by a huge transphobe stalker that will get your account banned for no reason other than you post transgender content there. Yet it also has a popular hashtag of it and etc
@@roromimii still miles better than say, Twit, Insta, and you wont get harassed or be at the mercy of the algorithm
@@_BubblGum_ thats just like, anywhere in general. Not just tumblr. People just dont care about ocs unless you spend a REALLY long time on them or make them interesting like Canisalbus did
@@nebulabunny8633 but tumblr is the worst of them all, my other socials are somewhat successful when it comes to posting about my OCs but tumblr? forget about it!
I wish there was a place artists can post their work in an easy and accessible format. Similar to ao3
Amazing vid 🥰
The Internet was better about 8-10 years ago. Now everything is drama, clout chasing and influencers. I even miss the internet of the early 00s.
sweet video
Earky for ince, woah. Super excited to watch this !! :]
hot n fresh off the grill yooo
that cat reminds me of a discord user that i know
This is well said :3c
Tumblr is the best social media for art to me
FRRRRRRR
i think emo oc s are really funnyy
For me its the homogenization of styles, you draw pretty girls and boys in a vibrant semi realistic anime style or youre basically irrelevant. The beauty standards invading artwork too and everyones pretty twinks looking exactly the same, if you draw diverse art it just doesnt fit with the beauty standards and algorithms
This video made me realize I made art always catered slightly towards what my online friends would like. If I didn't i didn't bother to share it bc it was "Cringe" or "Not good enough" It lowkey felt like I was always catering to a private audience and the audience didn't even know they were being catered to!
It's not their fault that I tend to do this but thanks for making this video. Made me think a bit harder than my one brain cell normally let's me lol
Artists?
Social media is dead, for everyone. Its no longer a social place. Barely works for sharing.
It died to corporate greed, advertisements and squeezing watch time out of the user.
Maybe one day we'll have sustainable user-focused places in the internet, for now it's no more than a tool... :p
They mentioned that in the video
I eagerly await the day when advertisers realize they are advertising to AI and bots and they pull out of everything, making the whole corporate hellscape implode on itself, what an event that would be
PLEEEAAASE dont be a predator... PLEEEEEAAAASSEEE dont diddle kids..
PLEEEAAASE act like a normal human being PLEEEAAASE stop saying this to every content creator
Literally freaking weird of you to assume this??
@@roromimii I'm saying this as a joke... Because so many people are pedophiles now... Do you... Do you not... Okay...
You do realize this is a shitty thing to assume of someone????
@@jazzymare It's a joke because everyone is being called out as a predator. I'm just saying I hope this person doesn't get in drama...
womp womp now pick up the pencil lil bro