One of my first jobs as a teen they suggested I quit. So I did. Went home and told my dad and he called the unemployment office with me that afternoon. I ended up getting unemployment benefits since they coerced me into quitting.
Yep. People don't file for unemployment when they quit because it is a common belief you are denied if you quit. (This isn't true in my state, as it depends on why you quit.)
Exactly, which they get penalized for. They also want to avoid severance package. I worked for OSPCA in Ontario for 3 yrs. Got a "temporary" lay off that lasted over a year. They simply wanted to renovate the shelter/adoption centre which took 3 yrs. So they laid off all shelter staff!??! But were waiting on us to "quit" on our own. After a year, they sent the final lay off papers with $1800 which was 3 weeks pay for 3 yrs service. But they actually owed me around 8 - 12 mths in severance pay according to an employment specialist. So they fuc..d us over.😮
@@darththeoTrue, but it has to be a reason that is stipulated in employment insurance Act. One I had used, because it actually happened was loss of transportation due to location and costs of repairs. Another I've seen many WOMEN do, is say they are relocating/moving with husband or family due to job change or other significant circumstances. We had an Assistant Manager that quit because her boyfriend made more money than her and he had to move for a job. She got unemployment or employment insurance they call it now.😂
Which I don’t get tbh because when I look on my check it says minus unemployment and when you get on the government web site it tells you how much you’ve payed into it.
I have been fired from a few jobs. I tell my next employer either I was laid off or worked until the end of a contract and let go due to lack of work. So far it has always worked for me.
That's because unemployment records aren't public, so it doesn't show up on background searches. If you and your old employer don't tell, your new employer won't know.
I told my current job that I left my last job for carrying my stepfather because he was dying of bone cancer and then my maternal grandmother was dying of Alzheimers which were both true and it was in the middle of the pandemic and it worked and that I was unemployed over 4 years as a result. I was in really fired from my last job and got unemployment and didn't put them down or risk them giving me a bad reference or I will never find work if I said the truth. I also had a previous job that fired me and that employer tried to get me to sign a termination write up when terminated and I refused and therefore won unemployment. I had also another that almost never gave me hours and fired me because of scheduling conflicts and in that case, I lost because I didn't work enough to qualify for unemployment. I've been fired at least 3 times in my life. So I've won a majority and only lost once.
This is why unemployment should be given regardless if you quit or get fired and regardless of the reason. The conservatives fear mongering over people abusing the system is likely to cost less than enforcing these crazy rules.
I had that happen to me. I got pregnant 6 weeks after a major surgery and they told me that I had to resign if I want to eligible to be rehired because you can't have two leave of absences in a 12 month period, before FMLA. So, I wrote my resignation, it started like this, I'm being forced to write this resignation in order to be eligible to be rehired . . . I got unemployment!!
@DaddyVet3D i wish I knew back then all the things he's telling us now. When I was 16, my boss actually hit me!! I guess back then I didn't tell anyone because who were they going to believe, me, a young kid or my boss who had been working there 25 years???!! Now, with cellphones at least we can film them now or at least record them, for proof!! I had another boss years later when I retired from nursing and took a part time job in a doctor's office. I was the only employee who knew the new billing system because basically the doctors were too cheap to pay to have us trained on it, but being they were MUCH older than me, even though I was old, and 8 caught on quickly just by browsing through it. Anyway, I found out that my boss/manager had lost the doctors 1 million dollars in the last year, because she didn't do her job!! Probably because she didn't know how, lol! She knew I knew and tried to get me to quit by canceling my vacation that had been planned and approved at least 6 months prior. I said I was going on vacation regardless. So she told me I had to resign and calls me in her office and tells me that I HAVE TO SIGN it!! I said no. The office has never once had to pay out for unemployment because they'd pull the same stunt on them, telling them they HAD to sign the resignation letter. Me and my manager went back and forth, she telling me I HAD to sign, me saying no, I don't for a few hours. At one point when I said I wasn't signing it, she said, why? Your name is already on it!! 🤣 I laughed in her face. After all this time going back and forth she finally fired me!!! Yay!! When this was all going down, I put in for another job at a different doctor's office and got the job. I wasn't planning on telling my manager that I was leaving because I could care less if she were short handed or whatever. Cool thing was, I wasn't due to start my new job for a little over a month, so I went to Hawaii, got home, collected unemployment, I had no issues, and started my new job!! I was just so happy that they had to pay out for unemployment benefits to me!! I gotta finish the rest, sorry, but I had printed out all the receipts I needed to prove 1 million dollars were lost and I sent copies to all the doctors AND I reported them for insurance fraud!! Apparently, they must have thought i was stupid!! 🤣🤣 A month later, my manager was no longer employed there, lol!! I often wonder why they would let her go after working there for over 20 years!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
similar to me ! quit for pregnancy discrimination and got unemployment too. It's what I put in my resignation letter. I detailed the occurrences and the mental health anguish it caused. The employer didn't even fight it. Of course it would've been better to be "fired" but mentally I couldn't do it and they changed my work schedule following my much interfered with FMLA which made me change to a lactation schedule and the stress affected my breastfeeding relationship and it just wasn't worth it to me. But now we are in arbitration.
I’ve been fired once…..tried to get me to resign but I told them I couldn’t afford to quit but I could afford to be fired lol. Illegal termination, 6 months unemployment, and lawsuit ( they bought me a house lol)
@@HomeGrownPyro1 it was retaliation for a workers comp claim. In addition my state has some specific laws for the termination of police officers that were completely ignored and the city’s personnel policy was passed as an ordinance and they ignored it also. After the case settled I ran for mayor and won which gave me access to all the attorneys notes and emails lol…it was actually kind of funny. We filed suit on a Wednesday, they offered us 80% of our demand on Thursday and we refused. On Monday they offered us 100% of our demand. Between Wednesday and Monday there was a very heated discussion between the lawyers and the mayor basically saying his choice was to agree to the settlement or I would almost certainly be reinstated and get back pay and damages.
@@thetest8777 it actually got worse….ran for mayor and won…fired everyone involved including the mayors son…posted a selfie on January first sitting at his desk with my feet up…tru story
If* you’re in a situation where you need to quit because of a dispute with an employer document *everything* you can. I quit a job on site due to not being provided a safe work environment (the owners dad tried to fight with me). I wrote down time and date of conversations, what was said, etc. I had 7 or 8 pages of notes by the end. It’s not a guarantee, but it does give you a lot better chance of getting unemployment.
@@SmickyD I did! An unemployment officer (I guess that’s what they’re called?) called me about 3 weeks after I filed and asked me what happened. I pulled out my notes, gave time and dates of the conversations, what was said / what happened to the best of my memory, and and that was about it. They called and talked to my old employer at some point, then called me a second time to confirm a few details a month or so after the initial call. A week after that I had a check in the mail.
@@Kal-Reegar that's good to hear. I was mostly just curious. I've only ever filled for unemployment when I got fired and had a good case. I've never talked to an unemployment officer myself. It's nice to hear they investigate and follow through on these cases though.
If you got fired from your most recent job still list them as a current employer. Most places won't verify with your current employer because they understand that you dont want your curre t employer to know you are interviewing
I can't speak for all places but I frequently get calls from prospective employers to verify if someone is actually an employee at the company I work for. This could backfire.
@@jackattackhissnack it doesn't mean they won't verify "off the record" but in my field when the background check is being run you check yes or no if they are allowed to contact your current employer. That is because if your current employer knows you are looking there is a risk of you getting fired.
In movies this is usually when the employee has done something either illegal or some sort of major fuck up. You are offering the employee the opportunity to leave now or have the employer go through with documenting those illegal actions. We gave an employee who was stealing the opportunity to quit and return what they stole or we would call the police and file a felony charge because of the amount they stole.
My dad was an Employee Benefits/Human Resources Director for decades and was considered the best in the field here in New England for many years. He told me to never quit a job unless I had another already lined up or if I wanted out of a dissatisfying job, let yourself get fired from it (I was good at THAT one!) Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to claim unemployment benefits. I'm now disabled after having 7 back surgeries (I'm 55) but work for myself as a jewelry designer and I don't have to claim anything. It's very liberating! (Especially if you hate working for other people!) 😉🙃
I'm just working and working and working until I have the education, wealth and social circles to beat the asses of some narcissistic employers who never got punched in the face as a child and mummy told them they were never wrong.
How do you get yourself fired? The videos I watched about resigning are all about not burning bridges and all those drama but not really teaching me the process of resignation. I just wanna quit now, doesn't matter if by getting fired or resigning.
...unless you have a job lined up. Here, if you give notice and they wave it, they have to pay you out. I had a boss forcing me out, and saw the writing the on the wall. I found a new position, and notified him the day before he was going to drop the are. Next day he let me go, and I called HR since the check was short my notice period....he was SO MAD when he had to hand deliver the check to me at my new job a few days later 🤣
This is why companies cut a worker’s hours down to nothing. The worker is still “employed” but can’t earn enough money to survive on, so the worker really has no choice but to quit.
I wish I knew this at 18 when a company hired me to do a job you need a degree for & then not only did they insult me by saying I shouldn't work in the field again but they offered to let me quit & I felt so small in that moment I just signed the papers & left. Turns out they finally had a qualified candidate coming in & they lied to the parents that I quit for a better job but I saw one guy who had always been kind to me & he told me everything.
I had this happen to me in one of my first jobs ever. I had no idea what I was doing since I was young and I signed it. Unemployment called me asked if I signed the letter, I told them yes they made sign it or I would have been fired. She like okay thanks you will be receiving unemployment. She was upset on what they made me do and had my back. This was in Colorado
It happened recently with me. I was sick for 7 days and they asked me to resign and I resigned but I feel bad to what they have done with me in exchange of all my dedication.
Employment Security tried to say I wasn't entitled to unemployment benefits because "The boss said I quit." I asked them if the boss told them WHY I quit, and they said, "No." So I told them I quit because it was Payday and the boss told me "he couldn't afford payroll this week, he'd get me next week." I got my first check handed to me, AND they also PAID for my lawyer to sue him for the back pay. Until we collected, and the suit included the Lawyer's fees.
I was able to quit willingly and received unemployment due to hostile work environment. How often do they need proof? Because I was able to do so without any, even though I had mountains of proof. They didnt care for it.
Make sure you put it in writing that you are not quitting.They play games.Plan on them fighting your request for unemployment benefits.Also, they typically resort to “insubordination” as a reason for your dismissal. Protect yourself & keep a paper trail.
This is something one needs to tread carefully as a teacher. If you get non-renewed (fired), it can be very difficult to find a new job anywhere in the area. Many districts will not hire you with a non-renewal on your record, and you’re often stuck with bottom-of-the-barrel schools with crazy turnover and terrible admin.
A lot of massive companies. You let a toxic manager do this at a toxic branch you can later get on with a non toxic branch with a good manager: eligible for rehire box remains unchecked even if toxic shithead gets whats coming to him- there is no good answer
I got into an altercation at a former job. I was a great employee but I got tired of being bullied by another employee and one day after I asked him to stop messing with me twice he did not so I punched him. Needless to say we both got "fired" While I was in hr the day they decided to let me go they gave me the option to resign so when I went to apply for another job they could not say I got fired. They gave me a severance package and an extra month's pay on top of that. They also still approved me for unemployment. Obviously not every case is the same but make sure to weigh your options before you make a decision It's not always a bad thing resigning VS getting fired depending on the reasons.
I feel like that was also a hostile work environment that they should have fixed by the employer. You were a great employee pushed past your limits by being bullied. Workplaces have a duty to ensure freedom from harassment of any kind, and if you were bullied to that point, it crossed into harassment. Not a lawyer though.
@@hopefoley_he committed physical assault though, that’s a criminal charge, it’s one thing to be rude it’s another thing to get physical. He is lucky that this HR department offered him what they did because they could’ve called the cops and had him arrested. Somebody being obnoxious to you isn’t a legal excuse to physically punch them, that’s not self-defense.
@bebop true. I guess I assumed there was a clear threat of continuation of mental/physical anguish and clear evidence of all authority figures refusing to help. My reasoning for thinking that was more that the person said they got severance pay and approved unemployment, which shows more of an attempt to avoid more investigation in my brain. I agree that, in general, we should try to avoid violence (exception being to protect yourself and/or others). And it isn't a thing I have in my toolbox, but I've worked in some places where chairs have been thrown in meetings and down flights of stairs by managers over missed deadlines of the most benign needs. There isn't always a perfect solution of knowing you're getting home from work everyday because you know there are explosive personalities HR sides with. I do tend to assume that if there was suspicious kindness from the company, the company didn't do all the due diligence if the person said they were bullied. Not condoning violence for the sake of violence. Trying to say please attempt to work everything out as best you can before that explosive option. I'm hoping people seek all other versions of communication and avoidance/space first, and even if they feel there is no other possible way, it's the least needed to get to safety. *edit: clarifying last and first sentances.
If you refuse to honour an outlandish request and they say 'I'll take that as your resignation', do I need to respond 'I'm not resigning, you'll have to fire me'? It seems absolutely mad that they have the ability to resign you on your behalf and you have to block them from pretending to be you while acting against your self interest. 'I'll consider that a resignation' alone must be crossing some legal boundaries alone!
One of his previous videos he said follow up with an email saying "As per our verbal conversation I would like to follow up in detail" list the assigned tasks. List the estimated time and number of people required to do them. Note the time frame normally required and then state the requirements are not possible so please list the priorities. Always keep a record for yourself. If you are using a company email the forward the conversation to your personal email.
I resigned and have got no other job waiting. My health and well being is paramount, if I’m healthy I’ll always find a job and a better boss, if I’m not healthy everyone will dispose of you.
I signed up for a class and scheduled off for that class months in advance. I wrote written and gave verbal reminders to my boss leading up to the date. He told me "no problem". I only wanted off the evening of a Friday. Just the evening. From 6pm-8pm. He scheduled me on that day from 4pm-10pm and told me if I didn't come in, it was 'job abandonment'.
I had my general manager and two other managers meet with me , shut the door and interrogate me, standing over me ... raising their voices at times, gaslighting, trying to urge me to resign. It didn't work, and I ended up getting a settlement of $10, 000. Don't give into the pressure.
They use the excuse that it looks better on your resume that you resigned rather than were fired. I mean it does, but if your next employer calls them & asks if you're rehirable & they say no, it's an unspoken sign you were fired.
The lawyer I took the severance contract to advised that I put this: "the only info the company gives away is the dates of my employment". So they can't say I was fired, resigned or else, just the dates of the employment.
My job told me my job had been deleted but I would get 6 weeks of severance if I put in my paperwork immediately with a resignation letter. Then said no severance and I was denied unemployment because they had the letter of resignation
I qualified for unemployment after quitting once. They said it was due to "working conditions", for which I had documented proof. Then I reported them to their insurance company for renting out unsafe RVs, again with my expert proof. Within 3 months they had brand new RVs on their website! Lives were probably saved. And I got a great new job working from home for an ETHICAL employer.
@@HomeGrownPyro1 this was 12 years ago, and the company folded not long after I moved away. But there are some halfway decent ones now since covid. Lots of legit ones. Go on Indeed.
Happened to me. 28 years. Walked out on boss/ owner ( I was first in charge after him of course) negative reinforcement. That’s what he believed in. I had had enough with his screaming like a lunatic at me. I got up said I’m done and walked out. I loved my job. Took him to hearing after initially losing unemployment because I quit. But I quit because of him. I won my case against him. He was arrogant as Usual and judge saw right through him. Was it worth it?? Hell no. It took years to get over the only job I ever loved and other than the abuse I really loved the guy. He paid me well, took me on nice business trips but always felt he had the right to scream whenever he wanted. He took his anger out on me. I took it for 28 years. But approaching 60 and having independent money and kid an adult and my wife being an RN with health I said enough. I had a smart philosophy as the GM. When it came to employees if I had any problem I always bought myself a day to think things out and not say anything I’d regret by exploding on the cuff. Ironically I learned it from my owner. That was the only day I did not follow that sacred rule.
Yes. In the end I’m glad. But I wish I had heft on my terms not walked out. Got no party. Possible severance package. I deserved so much. But his abuse was the final straw that day
What if you give them a letter of resignation and they completely take you off the schedule for those 2 weeks? That happened to me back in 2018, but 3 days later I got a way better job that I loved
@Jason Dyrkacz I agree. I had only been there for 2 weeks, but I'd had enough when my manager humiliated me by yelling profanities at me in front of all staff and customers. All the other employees were scared teenagers. I was too old to put up with her crap and told everyone as such
The one employer I fell for that trick with, went ahead and hard coded it in their system as a termination anyway... so the joke's on them. It's pending litigation at this stage lol
My manager didn't schedule me for the the next week and told me she "doesn't wanna let me go" but she hadn't seen "improvements" in the smallest things I SEEN others do, even my sibling! I am contacting HR but NOT quitting! I will NEVER let another person control MY check.!
Job right out of high school did this. I quit but that was for the best anyway. People piled their work into my area before leaving early and I got yelled at in return. That business is no longer around.
Wish I knew this along time ago, I always thought if future employers saw you got fired on work history record that it would prevent future bosses from wanting to hire you.
I agree it’s better to get fired and quit just Because you know you’re right and your employer is wrong about a certain situation or problem or what have you don’t quit to make a statement seen too many friends and coworkers go out that way and I’m like enjoy very quickly finding another job because you just opted yourself out of unemployment in any legal opportunities. Glad there are lawyers that do this that are on RUclips learning a lot.
I quit a job back in 2018. I had been there five years. It was a good job gone bad. I knew if I didn't quit, I was probably going to be fired. I already had a new job lined up, so I didn't feel bad quitting.
I walked into my office back in 2006. The owner requested I quit. I told him he could fire me. He said I am not firing you. I sat at my desk for 2 hours doing nothing because my boss would not not give me any work. Karma is great. He finally fired me. I collected unemployment for a month. I ended up getting the best job I ever had. I ended up making double the amount of money.
Happened to me my first job. They refused to allow me to use the bathroom as I needed even though I had well documented GI issues. Coerced me into resigning. Wish I had someone in my corner then... wish I'd had the strength to stand up for myself.
Something else worth noting though it doesn't happen frequently is if you resign but later change your mind, most employers will say no and keep your resignation. Unless your role is super critical or difficult to replace employers see you as a flight risk and not if you will resign later but when.
Only benefit I have seen is with my wife's scenario. She's resigned from the same position 4 times to care for her mother and always gets rehired at a higher pay rate.
I’ve been fired twice, each time from a major company who fought the unemployment claim and I was denied both times. So just being fired is still no guarantee of anything.
So here’s the problem. 1) almost any company can 100% find a reason to fire you, because humans make mistakes, and those mistakes happen at work, and that’s enough for a company who doesn’t want you there to fire you. Making it not wrongful termination. However, as someone who was fired, I can say it’s really fucking hard to find a job after being fired, it’s been almost a year, fast food will not even hire me. Keep in mind, I didn’t get fired for something crazy. I got fired because I slept through my alarm and missed my shift, and because of that it’s become incredibly hard for me to find a job
Had a similar experience. Was a manager at a pizza place. Did a bunch of shit I wasn't supposed to do bc of my title, but did them anyway to be a "Good Employee", one day a cook overloads the oven and starts a fire. I turn off the pizza oven to deal with the fire. I turn on the oven again after 5-10 minutes, bc, you know, fire. The next day the district manager comes in and writes me up for turning off the oven. I gave her my two week notice and she fired me. Idk what reason they claimed they were firing me for. I was happy to leave. That same district manager, I called out for skimming my overtime, and after that she started finding reasons to write me up. One of them was I " didn't fill out the daily checklist" When I DID, and was the only one out of 2 other managers that would ever fill out that stupid book. She was looking at the wrong day!! But she's the boss and if she says shes right she has to be right. I was doing assistant manager duties for 11/hr!!!!!! Fucking ridiculous
@@DragonaGodess Oh man, I thought I was the only one with such bad lying managers. Amazing how they get rid of their better employees. One time as I was leaving a job, I told the owners that if they didn't fix things, all they'd be left with would be the bad, lazy employees...then they would lose money and maybe have to close their franchise. Guess what - they fixed the problem (fired their crazy daughter and her loser friend) and gave me a promotion. That was one of the few times a company did the right thing.
The VA told me I could quit or be fired after a patient abused me and made me cry because I told him I couldn’t reimburse him $30 for a C-Pap he’d bought somewhere else 10 years ago without any paper trail or prior authorization. I thought that was wrong. They should have banned him. I put in my 2 weeks’ notice and HR said they were accepting my resignation effective immediately and turn in my PIV and equipment. I was surprised I qualified for unemployment. That was a really shitty thing for them to do to me. I didn’t do anything wrong. They should have told him he’s not allowed to use the VA anymore.
To be fair, the va sucks. I'm still fighting them after they didn't provide decent care for ten years. Veterans are better off googling their symptoms. That's the only way some of us get the care we need.
So he should be denied healthcare be cause of an altrication? Call the police if he attacked you. Otherwise, he is a human being. Please reread what you wrote.
@@feifeicuttieplease read what you wrote... People get denied medical treatment every day for being combative or for noncompliance. This is not shocking. You can't expect someone to help you if you're abusive?
@@purpldream5743 that’s what you sign up for by working with the VA since that is the only place vets can receive medical care… he served this country so just deal with it
If they are firing you with cause and give you the opportunity to resign, you should take it. If they dont give you any legitimate reason for firing you, you should not resign.
Had a job switch the schedule over the weekend to so I came in Tuesday and they told me I was fired for not coming Monday and said it was my responsibility to come in on the weekends to check the schedule change when after 3 months thats not how it works. They find ways to fire people is what I learned
Being fired for missing a shift after a schedule change is a pretty easy thing to fight. If they expected you to come in on the weekends to check the schedule they should be paying you for the days you come in, usually minimum of 15 minutes or more, at weekend and/or overtime rates if applicable. If you're not being paid for those, they cannot say you had a reasonable timeframe to see the schedule changes and request a change if needed. If you're expected to be on site, you're working for the time you're on site, and they can't force you to work without pay. If you're not being paid, they cannot expect anything of you at that time, including checking the on-site schedule. Also, an employer can't just change your schedule on short notice without informing you. And even if they do inform you, you have a right to say no. If your boss says to you as you're clocking out for the weekend on thursday night at 10pm "okay and we'll see you at 4am on friday, just changed your schedule for the week" you can and should say you won't be showing up to work at that time because they didn't give you enough notice and it's not your normal schedule. Even if they did inform you several days in advance you can request a schedule change. You don't need to give a reason for a schedule change, it's none of their business if you have another part-time job on your usual agreed-upon off days, or if you have to take your kid to school that morning, or maybe you have a doctor appointment scheduled months in advance for a time you usually have off of work. They don't need to know. But what they definitely can't legally do is fire you for not showing up at a time or place you were not reasonably informed you should be showing up at. If they have that come in on the weekend to check on the schedule policy, you should be able to ask some coworkers if they know of that policy, and you should be able to be pointed to where in the onboarding materials and/or what memo would've informed you of that policy. They should also be able to point to where they mention the pay for coming in on your off days.
I just heard a story about a Seaworld Mime who is well loved getting fired recently following my a strange interaction with a security guard. I think talking about what's known about the case would make a good short or video.
I really don't understand why people think being "fired" is bad from a career pov. Just like the "we'll consider not agreeing to these new terms as you resigning"
When I worked at Wendy's in the 90s the local district management would fire managers if they heard through the grapevine that they were looking for other work or were thinking of quitting because they thought that they didn't want to be seen as a company that people didn't like to work for so they would preemptively fire anyone before they could be seen quitting.
I was born with disabilities and got fired last Thursday from a temp job before my probation period ended (I know I had another month to go). I was told that I was fired after I clocked out last Thursday, on the phone. I better get unemployment for every single day I worked! I told them I was disabled and they still took a chance to give me that assignment. I tell every employer that I’m disabled because it’s true and I need extra assistance to get their systems learned. I really hope I get more than unemployment benefits.
I ended up getting unemployment for voluntarily quitting because there was the discussion of if I didn't quit I get fired but if I quit I'd have the ability to be rehired I was initially denied and then heading to an appeal and won my appeal
Can a company that you got fired from tell a new prospective employer that you were terminated? Or are they only allowed to confirm employment without discussing how you left the company?
I think it's really funny that this was something I was taught like in elementary school by my parents and I thought it was more common knowledge ig lol
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yeah when something like that happens you talk to a lawyer not your boss when companies receive a workers complaint that's a pain in the ass their first action is going to be doing something that waives their responsibility/your ability to sue them then they will find a reason to replace you with someone who won't complain
This happened to be as an officer with Massachusetts Department of Correction after i refused the covid 19 vaccine. Been 3 years and I'm still waiting for court case to finish and get my job back.
Yup this is what my employer does he always tells me to “quit If I don’t like it” what a great mind trick. 30yrs & My boss doesn’t pay for unemployment.
I remember that i worked at TGI Fridays and was fired for something that i had no control over and two weeks later filed for unemployment and a month afterwards they tried to take me to court to fight it, but they backed out two days before the actual court date. But my favorite was years later at a different job when I was fired for supposedly drinking alcohol on the job and another manager or employee rated me out and the general manager showed up to fire me and another employee who was actually drinking on the job and me who never drank but was accused of it and he ended up apologizing and getting his job back and they kept me terminated because she the GM didn’t wanna admit to any wrong doing and not only that was denied unemployment because employees supposedly saw me drinking, well when i appealed it i found out that the employees who saw me drinking weren’t even scheduled that day so they lost all credibility and not only did they have to pay me for a weeks of unemployment but for a lawsuit as well that was settled out of court and cost the franchise owner over $6,000 when he could have prevented it from happening..
If there are legitimate performance issues and it's actually a poor fit or you're bad at your job, it might be better to take the opportunity to quit. But even then, let them fire you because you'll collect a paycheck for longer while you search for a new job, and you'll be unemployed for a shorter amount of time. You're not going to get unemployment anyway for a lawful termination that isn't due to a layoff. In this case, you can say to future employers when they ask why you left your last job that YOU realized that the company or the job or the whole industry wasn't the right fit for you and that you're moving on
I never thought about it like that before. I’ve never been fired. I always thought it was better to quit as it would look better to the next employer. I’m lucky where I am at the moment. I enjoy my job and my workmates are nice. But I wish I knew this information years ago.
Yeah, that was a thing for me back when I was in college. I pulled an all nighter working on a mid-term and called in to the gas station where I was working part-time. Boss started out with being insulting and saying I didn't work very often and then said you can resign or come in. Guess what I picked.
This is EXTREMELY important to know, because you bet your ass basically every company over a certain size WILL try this, and many underneath that size too. Never trust an employer to willingly do stuff in your interest instead of theirs. If they do, great. But never expect it.
I keep telling people that your boss isn't your friend, they're not looking out for your best interests. If your boss is "offering" you something it's because they stand to gain if you accept or lose if you refuse.
My son is in this situation. They informed him that he would get unemoyment. The HR office lady straight out lied to him and strong armed him. What can be done??
In my country idemnization laws say that if an employer wants to fire you without just cause ( there are actual causes that are considered valid but they are kinda of a high bar and the enployer has the burden of proof) they have to pay you 2 full monthly salaries + vacation time's monetary worth for every year you put into the company ( for this calculations working there for over six months already counts as 1 year) . So when you have many years accumulated they tend to pressure you to quit to avoid having to pay you what the law demands. Some even offer you a good severance to quit because they know if they fire you the legal indemnizatiom is likely to be even higher, so paying you to quit is a bargain.
So, I was told that my entire department was being laid off last year. Im told that I will get a severance package of an undisclosed amount (I'm not allowed to discuss the amount because of the terms of the package agreement) as long as I remain for the entire remaining time (the argument for this was that corporate told the general manager to not tell us that we were being let go because we weren't supposed to find out until the end of our final shift when we would get a severance check and be escorted out the door). I am then fired 1 week early for excessive restroom breaks, excessive smoke breaks (even though they were just fresh air breaks that had been approved by my boss), and general insubordination. I did get my severance package. However, in the terms it says that by accepting it I waive all rights to file for wrongful termination and that if I do sue, I must surrender all of the package plus any attorney fees and court costs Nexstar Media Group may incur. Is any of that legal?
Every state except Montana has “at-will” employment. Which means you can quit for no reason and they can fire you for no reason. Just like no fault divorce
You can negotiate something called “garden leave” sometimes in these situations where you continue receiving pay and benefits for a set period of time prior to termination. After that leave period - in CA - u can often still receive UI benefits. Just claim the employer are the moving party of the resignation. It’s their word against yours but if you have an email, text or proof - this helps.
I had to take medical leave and the job I had was helpful with the whole thing although I sadly had to quit the job as my little medical emergency turned into a chronic disability. All in all one of the rare times I actually liked my job.
One of my first jobs as a teen they suggested I quit. So I did. Went home and told my dad and he called the unemployment office with me that afternoon. I ended up getting unemployment benefits since they coerced me into quitting.
It’s possible to get unemployment benefits as a teen? I thought benefits were only approved if you were older than 18 or had dependents.
@@Lost_9o1 I think I was 18 or 19. It was the 90s, I don't know how much has changed since then.
@@Lost_9o1 18 and 19 are both teen.
@@dimitrikemitsky sure they’re “teens” but legally they are considered adults
Very lucky.
They're trying to avoid unemployment
Yep. People don't file for unemployment when they quit because it is a common belief you are denied if you quit. (This isn't true in my state, as it depends on why you quit.)
Exactly, which they get penalized for. They also want to avoid severance package.
I worked for OSPCA in Ontario for 3 yrs. Got a "temporary" lay off that lasted over a year. They simply wanted to renovate the shelter/adoption centre which took 3 yrs. So they laid off all shelter staff!??!
But were waiting on us to "quit" on our own. After a year, they sent the final lay off papers with $1800 which was 3 weeks pay for 3 yrs service. But they actually owed me around 8 - 12 mths in severance pay according to an employment specialist. So they fuc..d us over.😮
@@darththeoTrue, but it has to be a reason that is stipulated in employment insurance Act. One I had used, because it actually happened was loss of transportation due to location and costs of repairs. Another I've seen many WOMEN do, is say they are relocating/moving with husband or family due to job change or other significant circumstances.
We had an Assistant Manager that quit because her boyfriend made more money than her and he had to move for a job. She got unemployment or employment insurance they call it now.😂
Which I don’t get tbh because when I look on my check it says minus unemployment and when you get on the government web site it tells you how much you’ve payed into it.
wtf are u guys smoking, EVERYONE pays unemployment tax no matter how many people they fire lol
99.99% of the time, never resign unless you already have another job waiting.
Same with women. It's either let them bully you or lead them. You have no other option as a man.
What if you are terminated?
Are we going low of our self-respect?
@@pavithra-7429👍
I have been fired from a few jobs. I tell my next employer either I was laid off or worked until the end of a contract and let go due to lack of work. So far it has always worked for me.
That's because unemployment records aren't public, so it doesn't show up on background searches. If you and your old employer don't tell, your new employer won't know.
I told my current job that I left my last job for carrying my stepfather because he was dying of bone cancer and then my maternal grandmother was dying of Alzheimers which were both true and it was in the middle of the pandemic and it worked and that I was unemployed over 4 years as a result. I was in really fired from my last job and got unemployment and didn't put them down or risk them giving me a bad reference or I will never find work if I said the truth. I also had a previous job that fired me and that employer tried to get me to sign a termination write up when terminated and I refused and therefore won unemployment. I had also another that almost never gave me hours and fired me because of scheduling conflicts and in that case, I lost because I didn't work enough to qualify for unemployment. I've been fired at least 3 times in my life. So I've won a majority and only lost once.
@@HighLevelPlayerif you drive a truck other trucking companies can see if you were fired. Should be against the law though
Don't they contact your previous employers?
@@rtj2397really?
I'm so sick of the evil games. So exhausting, and hurtful.
Facts. I just got to the point of saying: I'm overworked I want to go home lol😂. Knowing they know that they are overworking me.
This is why unemployment should be given regardless if you quit or get fired and regardless of the reason. The conservatives fear mongering over people abusing the system is likely to cost less than enforcing these crazy rules.
I had that happen to me. I got pregnant 6 weeks after a major surgery and they told me that I had to resign if I want to eligible to be rehired because you can't have two leave of absences in a 12 month period, before FMLA. So, I wrote my resignation, it started like this, I'm being forced to write this resignation in order to be eligible to be rehired . . .
I got unemployment!!
Awesome!
I had a similar story where ineas told if I was fired I would not be able to work in the area for 2 years in that field.
@DaddyVet3D i wish I knew back then all the things he's telling us now. When I was 16, my boss actually hit me!! I guess back then I didn't tell anyone because who were they going to believe, me, a young kid or my boss who had been working there 25 years???!! Now, with cellphones at least we can film them now or at least record them, for proof!! I had another boss years later when I retired from nursing and took a part time job in a doctor's office. I was the only employee who knew the new billing system because basically the doctors were too cheap to pay to have us trained on it, but being they were MUCH older than me, even though I was old, and 8 caught on quickly just by browsing through it. Anyway, I found out that my boss/manager had lost the doctors 1 million dollars in the last year, because she didn't do her job!! Probably because she didn't know how, lol! She knew I knew and tried to get me to quit by canceling my vacation that had been planned and approved at least 6 months prior. I said I was going on vacation regardless. So she told me I had to resign and calls me in her office and tells me that I HAVE TO SIGN it!! I said no. The office has never once had to pay out for unemployment because they'd pull the same stunt on them, telling them they HAD to sign the resignation letter. Me and my manager went back and forth, she telling me I HAD to sign, me saying no, I don't for a few hours. At one point when I said I wasn't signing it, she said, why? Your name is already on it!! 🤣 I laughed in her face. After all this time going back and forth she finally fired me!!! Yay!!
When this was all going down, I put in for another job at a different doctor's office and got the job. I wasn't planning on telling my manager that I was leaving because I could care less if she were short handed or whatever. Cool thing was, I wasn't due to start my new job for a little over a month, so I went to Hawaii, got home, collected unemployment, I had no issues, and started my new job!! I was just so happy that they had to pay out for unemployment benefits to me!!
I gotta finish the rest, sorry, but I had printed out all the receipts I needed to prove 1 million dollars were lost and I sent copies to all the doctors AND I reported them for insurance fraud!! Apparently, they must have thought i was stupid!! 🤣🤣 A month later, my manager was no longer employed there, lol!! I often wonder why they would let her go after working there for over 20 years!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That’s so smart
similar to me ! quit for pregnancy discrimination and got unemployment too. It's what I put in my resignation letter. I detailed the occurrences and the mental health anguish it caused. The employer didn't even fight it. Of course it would've been better to be "fired" but mentally I couldn't do it and they changed my work schedule following my much interfered with FMLA which made me change to a lactation schedule and the stress affected my breastfeeding relationship and it just wasn't worth it to me. But now we are in arbitration.
I’ve been fired once…..tried to get me to resign but I told them I couldn’t afford to quit but I could afford to be fired lol. Illegal termination, 6 months unemployment, and lawsuit ( they bought me a house lol)
Damn what made it an illegal termination?
@@HomeGrownPyro1 it was retaliation for a workers comp claim. In addition my state has some specific laws for the termination of police officers that were completely ignored and the city’s personnel policy was passed as an ordinance and they ignored it also. After the case settled I ran for mayor and won which gave me access to all the attorneys notes and emails lol…it was actually kind of funny. We filed suit on a Wednesday, they offered us 80% of our demand on Thursday and we refused. On Monday they offered us 100% of our demand. Between Wednesday and Monday there was a very heated discussion between the lawyers and the mayor basically saying his choice was to agree to the settlement or I would almost certainly be reinstated and get back pay and damages.
@@streetcop157😂😂😂damn that's cold revenge 😆
@@thetest8777 it actually got worse….ran for mayor and won…fired everyone involved including the mayors son…posted a selfie on January first sitting at his desk with my feet up…tru story
@@streetcop157cooked😂
If* you’re in a situation where you need to quit because of a dispute with an employer document *everything* you can. I quit a job on site due to not being provided a safe work environment (the owners dad tried to fight with me). I wrote down time and date of conversations, what was said, etc. I had 7 or 8 pages of notes by the end.
It’s not a guarantee, but it does give you a lot better chance of getting unemployment.
did you get unemployment?
@@SmickyD I did! An unemployment officer (I guess that’s what they’re called?) called me about 3 weeks after I filed and asked me what happened. I pulled out my notes, gave time and dates of the conversations, what was said / what happened to the best of my memory, and and that was about it. They called and talked to my old employer at some point, then called me a second time to confirm a few details a month or so after the initial call. A week after that I had a check in the mail.
@@Kal-Reegar that's good to hear. I was mostly just curious. I've only ever filled for unemployment when I got fired and had a good case. I've never talked to an unemployment officer myself. It's nice to hear they investigate and follow through on these cases though.
Exactly. That's what I did & it worked!
So you cam get unemployment when you resign?
If you got fired from your most recent job still list them as a current employer. Most places won't verify with your current employer because they understand that you dont want your curre t employer to know you are interviewing
I can't speak for all places but I frequently get calls from prospective employers to verify if someone is actually an employee at the company I work for. This could backfire.
@@jackattackhissnack it doesn't mean they won't verify "off the record" but in my field when the background check is being run you check yes or no if they are allowed to contact your current employer. That is because if your current employer knows you are looking there is a risk of you getting fired.
Here's a word to the wise if someone has every reason to hate you or get rid of you is suddenly giving you a "magic way out" it's a trap always
"I expect your resignation by the end of the day"
A phrase I always never understood (as to why the employee would do it)
In movies this is usually when the employee has done something either illegal or some sort of major fuck up. You are offering the employee the opportunity to leave now or have the employer go through with documenting those illegal actions. We gave an employee who was stealing the opportunity to quit and return what they stole or we would call the police and file a felony charge because of the amount they stole.
My dad was an Employee Benefits/Human Resources Director for decades and was considered the best in the field here in New England for many years. He told me to never quit a job unless I had another already lined up or if I wanted out of a dissatisfying job, let yourself get fired from it (I was good at THAT one!) Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to claim unemployment benefits. I'm now disabled after having 7 back surgeries (I'm 55) but work for myself as a jewelry designer and I don't have to claim anything. It's very liberating! (Especially if you hate working for other people!) 😉🙃
Respect to u and ur dad for sharing that knowledge 👏 💯
Pllp
Sounds like a fun job you have now! I used to work beads. Had to change jobs for financial reasons.
I'm just working and working and working until I have the education, wealth and social circles to beat the asses of some narcissistic employers who never got punched in the face as a child and mummy told them they were never wrong.
How do you get yourself fired? The videos I watched about resigning are all about not burning bridges and all those drama but not really teaching me the process of resignation. I just wanna quit now, doesn't matter if by getting fired or resigning.
...unless you have a job lined up. Here, if you give notice and they wave it, they have to pay you out. I had a boss forcing me out, and saw the writing the on the wall. I found a new position, and notified him the day before he was going to drop the are. Next day he let me go, and I called HR since the check was short my notice period....he was SO MAD when he had to hand deliver the check to me at my new job a few days later 🤣
Boss: I expect your resignation
Me: You’ll probably be disappointed
This is why companies cut a worker’s hours down to nothing. The worker is still “employed” but can’t earn enough money to survive on, so the worker really has no choice but to quit.
You can also get a lawyer for that
Looks like it's time to start "accidently" fucking up to get fired at that point
lawyers are expensive
@@fdfischer
Also called "constructive discharge" which entitles you to unemployment
That's called constructive dismissal.
I wish I knew this at 18 when a company hired me to do a job you need a degree for & then not only did they insult me by saying I shouldn't work in the field again but they offered to let me quit & I felt so small in that moment I just signed the papers & left. Turns out they finally had a qualified candidate coming in & they lied to the parents that I quit for a better job but I saw one guy who had always been kind to me & he told me everything.
It's equivalent to pleading guilty in the court room.
I had this happen to me in one of my first jobs ever. I had no idea what I was doing since I was young and I signed it. Unemployment called me asked if I signed the letter, I told them yes they made sign it or I would have been fired. She like okay thanks you will be receiving unemployment. She was upset on what they made me do and had my back. This was in Colorado
You got lucky
It happened recently with me. I was sick for 7 days and they asked me to resign and I resigned but I feel bad to what they have done with me in exchange of all my dedication.
Yep... Do not resign. They will fight your unemployment.
Employment Security tried to say I wasn't entitled to unemployment benefits because "The boss said I quit."
I asked them if the boss told them WHY I quit, and they said, "No."
So I told them I quit because it was Payday and the boss told me "he couldn't afford payroll this week, he'd get me next week."
I got my first check handed to me, AND they also PAID for my lawyer to sue him for the back pay.
Until we collected, and the suit included the Lawyer's fees.
I was able to quit willingly and received unemployment due to hostile work environment. How often do they need proof? Because I was able to do so without any, even though I had mountains of proof. They didnt care for it.
Thats how it goes, when you have everything set'n ready for battle, they balk.
Make sure you put it in writing that you are not quitting.They play games.Plan on them fighting your request for unemployment benefits.Also, they typically resort to “insubordination” as a reason for your dismissal. Protect yourself & keep a paper trail.
I wonder why they don't teach current labor law in school curriculums. 🤔
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This is something one needs to tread carefully as a teacher. If you get non-renewed (fired), it can be very difficult to find a new job anywhere in the area. Many districts will not hire you with a non-renewal on your record, and you’re often stuck with bottom-of-the-barrel schools with crazy turnover and terrible admin.
Can verify
A lot of massive companies. You let a toxic manager do this at a toxic branch you can later get on with a non toxic branch with a good manager: eligible for rehire box remains unchecked even if toxic shithead gets whats coming to him- there is no good answer
@@zrdm6482Indeed, pretty sure this is part of why I can't get hired anywhere following getting fired from Walmart.
In my area most non renual is related to you having too many years and they’d rather pay less for a first year teacher.
I got into an altercation at a former job. I was a great employee but I got tired of being bullied by another employee and one day after I asked him to stop messing with me twice he did not so I punched him. Needless to say we both got "fired"
While I was in hr the day they decided to let me go they gave me the option to resign so when I went to apply for another job they could not say I got fired. They gave me a severance package and an extra month's pay on top of that. They also still approved me for unemployment. Obviously not every case is the same but make sure to weigh your options before you make a decision It's not always a bad thing resigning VS getting fired depending on the reasons.
I feel like that was also a hostile work environment that they should have fixed by the employer. You were a great employee pushed past your limits by being bullied. Workplaces have a duty to ensure freedom from harassment of any kind, and if you were bullied to that point, it crossed into harassment.
Not a lawyer though.
@@hopefoley_he committed physical assault though, that’s a criminal charge, it’s one thing to be rude it’s another thing to get physical. He is lucky that this HR department offered him what they did because they could’ve called the cops and had him arrested. Somebody being obnoxious to you isn’t a legal excuse to physically punch them, that’s not self-defense.
@bebop true. I guess I assumed there was a clear threat of continuation of mental/physical anguish and clear evidence of all authority figures refusing to help.
My reasoning for thinking that was more that the person said they got severance pay and approved unemployment, which shows more of an attempt to avoid more investigation in my brain.
I agree that, in general, we should try to avoid violence (exception being to protect yourself and/or others). And it isn't a thing I have in my toolbox, but I've worked in some places where chairs have been thrown in meetings and down flights of stairs by managers over missed deadlines of the most benign needs. There isn't always a perfect solution of knowing you're getting home from work everyday because you know there are explosive personalities HR sides with. I do tend to assume that if there was suspicious kindness from the company, the company didn't do all the due diligence if the person said they were bullied.
Not condoning violence for the sake of violence. Trying to say please attempt to work everything out as best you can before that explosive option. I'm hoping people seek all other versions of communication and avoidance/space first, and even if they feel there is no other possible way, it's the least needed to get to safety.
*edit: clarifying last and first sentances.
I got fired for someone bullying me an trying to fight me after I walked away but since i called the cop I guessing they fired me hmmm smh
If you refuse to honour an outlandish request and they say 'I'll take that as your resignation', do I need to respond 'I'm not resigning, you'll have to fire me'? It seems absolutely mad that they have the ability to resign you on your behalf and you have to block them from pretending to be you while acting against your self interest. 'I'll consider that a resignation' alone must be crossing some legal boundaries alone!
One of his previous videos he said follow up with an email saying "As per our verbal conversation I would like to follow up in detail" list the assigned tasks. List the estimated time and number of people required to do them. Note the time frame normally required and then state the requirements are not possible so please list the priorities. Always keep a record for yourself. If you are using a company email the forward the conversation to your personal email.
I resigned and have got no other job waiting. My health and well being is paramount, if I’m healthy I’ll always find a job and a better boss, if I’m not healthy everyone will dispose of you.
I signed up for a class and scheduled off for that class months in advance. I wrote written and gave verbal reminders to my boss leading up to the date. He told me "no problem". I only wanted off the evening of a Friday. Just the evening. From 6pm-8pm. He scheduled me on that day from 4pm-10pm and told me if I didn't come in, it was 'job abandonment'.
Just tell your employer that you'll get back to him.After you seek some legal counsel and they'll be real nice to you
This makes so much sense but I never thought about it before
God, at this rate i feel like i need to record every conversation. Because everytime they'll try to screw me.
I had my general manager and two other managers meet with me , shut the door and interrogate me, standing over me ... raising their voices at times, gaslighting, trying to urge me to resign. It didn't work, and I ended up getting a settlement of $10, 000. Don't give into the pressure.
They use the excuse that it looks better on your resume that you resigned rather than were fired. I mean it does, but if your next employer calls them & asks if you're rehirable & they say no, it's an unspoken sign you were fired.
My understanding is that an ex-employer can only verify that you worked there.
@I XLR8 They can also ask if you are rehirable, by law. At least they can in Kansas.
The lawyer I took the severance contract to advised that I put this: "the only info the company gives away is the dates of my employment". So they can't say I was fired, resigned or else, just the dates of the employment.
My job told me my job had been deleted but I would get 6 weeks of severance if I put in my paperwork immediately with a resignation letter. Then said no severance and I was denied unemployment because they had the letter of resignation
Yup.
Was fired for the first time in my life right before Thanksgiving. That unemployment helped me keep my head above water.
I qualified for unemployment after quitting once. They said it was due to "working conditions", for which I had documented proof. Then I reported them to their insurance company for renting out unsafe RVs, again with my expert proof. Within 3 months they had brand new RVs on their website! Lives were probably saved. And I got a great new job working from home for an ETHICAL employer.
What kind of job did you find working from home? They always seem to be scams anytime I’ve tried or looked into one
@@HomeGrownPyro1 this was 12 years ago, and the company folded not long after I moved away. But there are some halfway decent ones now since covid. Lots of legit ones. Go on Indeed.
Happened to me. 28 years. Walked out on boss/ owner ( I was first in charge after him of course) negative reinforcement. That’s what he believed in. I had had enough with his screaming like a lunatic at me. I got up said I’m done and walked out. I loved my job. Took him to hearing after initially losing unemployment because I quit. But I quit because of him. I won my case against him. He was arrogant as Usual and judge saw right through him. Was it worth it?? Hell no. It took years to get over the only job I ever loved and other than the abuse I really loved the guy. He paid me well, took me on nice business trips but always felt he had the right to scream whenever he wanted. He took his anger out on me. I took it for 28 years. But approaching 60 and having independent money and kid an adult and my wife being an RN with health I said enough. I had a smart philosophy as the GM. When it came to employees if I had any problem I always bought myself a day to think things out and not say anything I’d regret by exploding on the cuff. Ironically I learned it from my owner. That was the only day I did not follow that sacred rule.
Can't say as I blame you, you would have turned into an ogre yourself if you hadn't gotten out.
Yes. In the end I’m glad. But I wish I had heft on my terms not walked out. Got no party. Possible severance package. I deserved so much. But his abuse was the final straw that day
What if you give them a letter of resignation and they completely take you off the schedule for those 2 weeks? That happened to me back in 2018, but 3 days later I got a way better job that I loved
That pettiness should cost employers.
@Jason Dyrkacz I agree. I had only been there for 2 weeks, but I'd had enough when my manager humiliated me by yelling profanities at me in front of all staff and customers. All the other employees were scared teenagers. I was too old to put up with her crap and told everyone as such
I WISH, Wish, I would have found your channel before I left my last job. I really do.
The one employer I fell for that trick with, went ahead and hard coded it in their system as a termination anyway... so the joke's on them. It's pending litigation at this stage lol
My manager didn't schedule me for the the next week and told me she "doesn't wanna let me go" but she hadn't seen "improvements" in the smallest things I SEEN others do, even my sibling! I am contacting HR but NOT quitting! I will NEVER let another person control MY check.!
Job right out of high school did this. I quit but that was for the best anyway. People piled their work into my area before leaving early and I got yelled at in return. That business is no longer around.
You sir are great! Thank you for the videos.
Thank you for the support!
In restaurants it’s pretty common to get demoted to the lowest on the totem pole until they quit
Wish I knew this along time ago, I always thought if future employers saw you got fired on work history record that it would prevent future bosses from wanting to hire you.
Because if they fire you for just not liking you or something, they gotta pay unemployment if you file for it til you find a job
I agree it’s better to get fired and quit just Because you know you’re right and your employer is wrong about a certain situation or problem or what have you don’t quit to make a statement seen too many friends and coworkers go out that way and I’m like enjoy very quickly finding another job because you just opted yourself out of unemployment in any legal opportunities. Glad there are lawyers that do this that are on RUclips learning a lot.
I quit a job back in 2018. I had been there five years. It was a good job gone bad. I knew if I didn't quit, I was probably going to be fired. I already had a new job lined up, so I didn't feel bad quitting.
Finally the information I have been thinking about at the back of my head.
I walked into my office back in 2006. The owner requested I quit. I told him he could fire me. He said I am not firing you. I sat at my desk for 2 hours doing nothing because my boss would not not give me any work. Karma is great. He finally fired me. I collected unemployment for a month. I ended up getting the best job I ever had. I ended up making double the amount of money.
Doesn't getting fired effect ur ability to get future jobs
@@lethalexponent6 No. I put down on the application I was laid off because of lack of work.
Happened to me my first job. They refused to allow me to use the bathroom as I needed even though I had well documented GI issues. Coerced me into resigning. Wish I had someone in my corner then... wish I'd had the strength to stand up for myself.
Im sorry man
Violation of american disability act
Something else worth noting though it doesn't happen frequently is if you resign but later change your mind, most employers will say no and keep your resignation. Unless your role is super critical or difficult to replace employers see you as a flight risk and not if you will resign later but when.
Only benefit I have seen is with my wife's scenario. She's resigned from the same position 4 times to care for her mother and always gets rehired at a higher pay rate.
I’ve been fired twice, each time from a major company who fought the unemployment claim and I was denied both times. So just being fired is still no guarantee of anything.
Well said, Ryan Stygar!
So here’s the problem.
1) almost any company can 100% find a reason to fire you, because humans make mistakes, and those mistakes happen at work, and that’s enough for a company who doesn’t want you there to fire you. Making it not wrongful termination.
However, as someone who was fired, I can say it’s really fucking hard to find a job after being fired, it’s been almost a year, fast food will not even hire me.
Keep in mind, I didn’t get fired for something crazy. I got fired because I slept through my alarm and missed my shift, and because of that it’s become incredibly hard for me to find a job
Had a similar experience. Was a manager at a pizza place. Did a bunch of shit I wasn't supposed to do bc of my title, but did them anyway to be a "Good Employee", one day a cook overloads the oven and starts a fire. I turn off the pizza oven to deal with the fire. I turn on the oven again after 5-10 minutes, bc, you know, fire. The next day the district manager comes in and writes me up for turning off the oven. I gave her my two week notice and she fired me. Idk what reason they claimed they were firing me for. I was happy to leave. That same district manager, I called out for skimming my overtime, and after that she started finding reasons to write me up. One of them was I " didn't fill out the daily checklist" When I DID, and was the only one out of 2 other managers that would ever fill out that stupid book. She was looking at the wrong day!! But she's the boss and if she says shes right she has to be right. I was doing assistant manager duties for 11/hr!!!!!! Fucking ridiculous
@@DragonaGodess Oh man, I thought I was the only one with such bad lying managers. Amazing how they get rid of their better employees. One time as I was leaving a job, I told the owners that if they didn't fix things, all they'd be left with would be the bad, lazy employees...then they would lose money and maybe have to close their franchise. Guess what - they fixed the problem (fired their crazy daughter and her loser friend) and gave me a promotion. That was one of the few times a company did the right thing.
The VA told me I could quit or be fired after a patient abused me and made me cry because I told him I couldn’t reimburse him $30 for a C-Pap he’d bought somewhere else 10 years ago without any paper trail or prior authorization. I thought that was wrong. They should have banned him. I put in my 2 weeks’ notice and HR said they were accepting my resignation effective immediately and turn in my PIV and equipment. I was surprised I qualified for unemployment. That was a really shitty thing for them to do to me. I didn’t do anything wrong. They should have told him he’s not allowed to use the VA anymore.
To be fair, the va sucks. I'm still fighting them after they didn't provide decent care for ten years.
Veterans are better off googling their symptoms. That's the only way some of us get the care we need.
So he should be denied healthcare be cause of an altrication? Call the police if he attacked you. Otherwise, he is a human being. Please reread what you wrote.
@@feifeicuttieplease read what you wrote... People get denied medical treatment every day for being combative or for noncompliance. This is not shocking. You can't expect someone to help you if you're abusive?
@@purpldream5743 that’s what you sign up for by working with the VA since that is the only place vets can receive medical care… he served this country so just deal with it
@@ashlinday4469can’t they go to a normal hospital
If they are firing you with cause and give you the opportunity to resign, you should take it. If they dont give you any legitimate reason for firing you, you should not resign.
Had a job switch the schedule over the weekend to so I came in Tuesday and they told me I was fired for not coming Monday and said it was my responsibility to come in on the weekends to check the schedule change when after 3 months thats not how it works. They find ways to fire people is what I learned
Being fired for missing a shift after a schedule change is a pretty easy thing to fight.
If they expected you to come in on the weekends to check the schedule they should be paying you for the days you come in, usually minimum of 15 minutes or more, at weekend and/or overtime rates if applicable. If you're not being paid for those, they cannot say you had a reasonable timeframe to see the schedule changes and request a change if needed. If you're expected to be on site, you're working for the time you're on site, and they can't force you to work without pay. If you're not being paid, they cannot expect anything of you at that time, including checking the on-site schedule.
Also, an employer can't just change your schedule on short notice without informing you. And even if they do inform you, you have a right to say no. If your boss says to you as you're clocking out for the weekend on thursday night at 10pm "okay and we'll see you at 4am on friday, just changed your schedule for the week" you can and should say you won't be showing up to work at that time because they didn't give you enough notice and it's not your normal schedule. Even if they did inform you several days in advance you can request a schedule change. You don't need to give a reason for a schedule change, it's none of their business if you have another part-time job on your usual agreed-upon off days, or if you have to take your kid to school that morning, or maybe you have a doctor appointment scheduled months in advance for a time you usually have off of work. They don't need to know.
But what they definitely can't legally do is fire you for not showing up at a time or place you were not reasonably informed you should be showing up at. If they have that come in on the weekend to check on the schedule policy, you should be able to ask some coworkers if they know of that policy, and you should be able to be pointed to where in the onboarding materials and/or what memo would've informed you of that policy. They should also be able to point to where they mention the pay for coming in on your off days.
Yes and they’re very creative
I just heard a story about a Seaworld Mime who is well loved getting fired recently following my a strange interaction with a security guard. I think talking about what's known about the case would make a good short or video.
I really don't understand why people think being "fired" is bad from a career pov. Just like the "we'll consider not agreeing to these new terms as you resigning"
When I worked at Wendy's in the 90s the local district management would fire managers if they heard through the grapevine that they were looking for other work or were thinking of quitting because they thought that they didn't want to be seen as a company that people didn't like to work for so they would preemptively fire anyone before they could be seen quitting.
I was born with disabilities and got fired last Thursday from a temp job before my probation period ended (I know I had another month to go). I was told that I was fired after I clocked out last Thursday, on the phone. I better get unemployment for every single day I worked! I told them I was disabled and they still took a chance to give me that assignment. I tell every employer that I’m disabled because it’s true and I need extra assistance to get their systems learned. I really hope I get more than unemployment benefits.
I ended up getting unemployment for voluntarily quitting because there was the discussion of if I didn't quit I get fired but if I quit I'd have the ability to be rehired I was initially denied and then heading to an appeal and won my appeal
❤ that's soo true 👍
Can a company that you got fired from tell a new prospective employer that you were terminated? Or are they only allowed to confirm employment without discussing how you left the company?
Only confirm dates of employment
I got myself fired on purpose by calling a they/them by her actual gender. Worth it.
Unless it's a job with a pension and they're giving you a chance to quit and keep your pension rather than be fired and potentially lose that pension
I think it's really funny that this was something I was taught like in elementary school by my parents and I thought it was more common knowledge ig lol
In the words of Admiral Ackbar, "It's a trap!"
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I don’t quit to go on unemployment, I quit because I got a better job.
I fell for it once.
At the time, I thought since they initiated the discussion, it would still be considered a dismissal.
But nope.
I quit willingly. I don't need unemployment. I started my own design engineering consulting company. Who knew I would double my income 😊
I was literally just fired because I ratted out my supervisor for harassing me and later on assaulting me.
yeah when something like that happens you talk to a lawyer not your boss
when companies receive a workers complaint that's a pain in the ass their first action is going to be doing something that waives their responsibility/your ability to sue them then they will find a reason to replace you with someone who won't complain
This happened to be as an officer with Massachusetts Department of Correction after i refused the covid 19 vaccine. Been 3 years and I'm still waiting for court case to finish and get my job back.
Yup this is what my employer does he always tells me to “quit If I don’t like it” what a great mind trick.
30yrs & My boss doesn’t pay for unemployment.
I remember that i worked at TGI Fridays and was fired for something that i had no control over and two weeks later filed for unemployment and a month afterwards they tried to take me to court to fight it, but they backed out two days before the actual court date. But my favorite was years later at a different job when I was fired for supposedly drinking alcohol on the job and another manager or employee rated me out and the general manager showed up to fire me and another employee who was actually drinking on the job and me who never drank but was accused of it and he ended up apologizing and getting his job back and they kept me terminated because she the GM didn’t wanna admit to any wrong doing and not only that was denied unemployment because employees supposedly saw me drinking, well when i appealed it i found out that the employees who saw me drinking weren’t even scheduled that day so they lost all credibility and not only did they have to pay me for a weeks of unemployment but for a lawsuit as well that was settled out of court and cost the franchise owner over $6,000 when he could have prevented it from happening..
If there are legitimate performance issues and it's actually a poor fit or you're bad at your job, it might be better to take the opportunity to quit. But even then, let them fire you because you'll collect a paycheck for longer while you search for a new job, and you'll be unemployed for a shorter amount of time. You're not going to get unemployment anyway for a lawful termination that isn't due to a layoff. In this case, you can say to future employers when they ask why you left your last job that YOU realized that the company or the job or the whole industry wasn't the right fit for you and that you're moving on
I resigned at my last job a while back. Was very happy this was then followed up by me being fired. Got 3 months of unemployment out of it too!
I never thought about it like that before. I’ve never been fired. I always thought it was better to quit as it would look better to the next employer. I’m lucky where I am at the moment. I enjoy my job and my workmates are nice. But I wish I knew this information years ago.
Yeah, that was a thing for me back when I was in college. I pulled an all nighter working on a mid-term and called in to the gas station where I was working part-time.
Boss started out with being insulting and saying I didn't work very often and then said you can resign or come in.
Guess what I picked.
This is EXTREMELY important to know, because you bet your ass basically every company over a certain size WILL try this, and many underneath that size too.
Never trust an employer to willingly do stuff in your interest instead of theirs.
If they do, great. But never expect it.
It makes it more fun to look at it like its you thats making them quit than to say it's getting fired.
Tip from someone in payroll.... We do not collect overpayments on our involuntary terminations!
I keep telling people that your boss isn't your friend, they're not looking out for your best interests. If your boss is "offering" you something it's because they stand to gain if you accept or lose if you refuse.
My son is in this situation. They informed him that he would get unemoyment.
The HR office lady straight out lied to him and strong armed him.
What can be done??
I found the holy grail then.
I was severely mistreated by a Pizza Hut Area Manager and quit, justifiably, and was awarded unemployment for it.
Even in UK with labour laws mostly in favour of employees...no social security cheques if you quit.
In my country idemnization laws say that if an employer wants to fire you without just cause ( there are actual causes that are considered valid but they are kinda of a high bar and the enployer has the burden of proof) they have to pay you 2 full monthly salaries + vacation time's monetary worth for every year you put into the company ( for this calculations working there for over six months already counts as 1 year) . So when you have many years accumulated they tend to pressure you to quit to avoid having to pay you what the law demands. Some even offer you a good severance to quit because they know if they fire you the legal indemnizatiom is likely to be even higher, so paying you to quit is a bargain.
So, I was told that my entire department was being laid off last year. Im told that I will get a severance package of an undisclosed amount (I'm not allowed to discuss the amount because of the terms of the package agreement) as long as I remain for the entire remaining time (the argument for this was that corporate told the general manager to not tell us that we were being let go because we weren't supposed to find out until the end of our final shift when we would get a severance check and be escorted out the door).
I am then fired 1 week early for excessive restroom breaks, excessive smoke breaks (even though they were just fresh air breaks that had been approved by my boss), and general insubordination. I did get my severance package. However, in the terms it says that by accepting it I waive all rights to file for wrongful termination and that if I do sue, I must surrender all of the package plus any attorney fees and court costs Nexstar Media Group may incur.
Is any of that legal?
Legal, not sure. Common, yes, it happened to me too.
They can’t force you to pay their legal fees, only a judge can, and if it was wrongful termination, no judge is going to make you pay that
Every state except Montana has “at-will” employment. Which means you can quit for no reason and they can fire you for no reason. Just like no fault divorce
Severance is chump change to most corporations. Why they would go through so much hassle not to pay it makes no sense to me.
Greed
“We want you to resign, or we will fire you.”
“Welp…what’s my package?”
“There is no package.”
“I have been counseled to decline your offer.”
You can negotiate something called “garden leave” sometimes in these situations where you continue receiving pay and benefits for a set period of time prior to termination. After that leave period - in CA - u can often still receive UI benefits. Just claim the employer are the moving party of the resignation. It’s their word against yours but if you have an email, text or proof - this helps.
I had to take medical leave and the job I had was helpful with the whole thing although I sadly had to quit the job as my little medical emergency turned into a chronic disability. All in all one of the rare times I actually liked my job.
This guy sounds like a real troll I’d never hire.
I was in that situation. I knew what they were doing and refused to quit. They terminated me and I managed to get my unemployment benefits.
Interesting take!
They'll also tell future employers you left voluntarily rather than saying you were terminated but I guess that doesn't garner clicks.