Where Matthew 22 is mentioned, I really believe that Jesus must have alluded to (if not outright taught about) eternal marriage in his time. Here is my reasoning: 1. Verse 23: specifically states the Sadducees, who don't believe in the resurrection, asked Jesus to clarify some teachings about marriage after the resurrection. If the Sadducees do not believe in the resurrection, what caused them to even bring up the question? It may have been spurred on by a teaching about eternal marriage that may have been circulating among the groups who had been listening to Jesus and discussing his teachings. 2. Verses 24-28: the Sadducees bring to mind what is called "Levirate Marriage" designated in Deut 25:5-10. The purpose of which was to ensure the 1st brother's "name be not put out of Israel" (that he may be remembered). The time period for Levirate marriage was not eternal but only to keep the original brother's name in regard so he would not be forgotten. 3. Verses 29-30: Jesus' response had to do with the marriage relationship specified in Deuteronomy, not Eternal Marriage. “Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.” (i.e., The 7 brothers were not sealed by the power of God.) "But in the resurrection they [i.e., the brothers] neither marry nor are given in marriage but are as the angels which are in heaven."
The scriptures are true. Besides that, there is something inborn in us as humans that tells us that there is more to life than the time between birth and death. All major religions agree that we continue to exist after death, and that there are consequences for our actions in life (good or bad). Logically it would follow that if marriage is so important to God for us in this life, that this relationship would be at least as important to God after this life. Yes, to this brother. Jesus Christ gave Peter the power to seal/marry a man and a woman on earth and they would still be sealed/married in heaven. Amen.
So, what type of Priest is needed to officiate an everlasting marriage or does the Pastor change the "until death do you part" to something like "may this bond be forever lasting in Heaven"?
Very important question. This type of marriage is performed in Temples by someone with the proper authority. ruclips.net/video/mgo-7UqDi28/видео.htmlsi=24mTWw9MVWEQG378
According to the Bible... In Genesis we read that Adam and Eve were joined together as husband and wife in the Garden of Eden. There they would have remained forever, having been joined together by God Himself. And what God hath joined, no power on earth, including death or the grave, has any power to undo or annul. Then came the fall and they became subjected to pain and death. Their union however was and is eternal because it was ordained of God. Eternal marriage therefore is of God and not man, and existed on the earth long before the Bible. It's true that in the resurrection, no marriages are being made, but what about after the resurrection and final judgement? Are we not to be resurrected as male and female, since that's the way we were created? What kind of heaven includes the resurrected bodies and souls of both males and females, but consigned to live as celibate eunuchs throughout all eternity
Why reject biblical truth? We are commanded to test any teacher or "prophet" to see if it conflicts with previous revelation. The bible tells us to watch out for false teachers and examine the scripture just like the Bereans did to see if what the Apostle Paul was teaching was truth. Acts 17:11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and EXAMINED the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Test Joseph Smith against the words of God Jesus affirmed. Luke 24:44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and LDS members. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is. "He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon) Either the BIBLE or LDS is FALSE.
@@brettpinion4233 the Bible and BOM are true. I believe Jesus Christ showed Himself after His resurrection and I also believe the people in the Americas saw him and taught the people. I believe others saw Him but there are no records before He joined the Father.
@@andreafaldon5026 Yes the BOM contains some truth because Joseph Smith copied parts of the bible into the BOM. 15.5% (1,023 of 6,064) of the verses in the Book of Mormon plagiarize directly from the Old Testament and New Testaments of the Bible. You may be aware that the Quran also contains some truth as it copies stories from the bible as well. Does this make the BOM or the Quran as a whole true? No. Each claims to receive revelation from an angel to restore corrupted parts. Neither explains what the corrupted parts are. It is interesting that Muhammad and Joseph Smith both claimed God gave them authority to have multiple wives, J.S. having even more than Muhammad. Do you see the problem? Remember, Jesus said be aware of the yeast of the Pharisees? Mathew 16:16 It is the parts added to or changed to the scriptures that make Joseph Smith, the Pharisees (orally not to the scriptures) and Muhammad false prophets. It is simple to spot the Joseph Smith teaches a different false Father and son. So did the LDS apostles after him. I pray you recognize the danger you are in. 2 Timothy 3:16 ESV All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, Proverbs 30:5-6 ESV Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar. Either you believe the biblical scripture or Joseph Smith's teachings followed by LDS. You cannot hold both as truth as they contradict each other. Don't be fooled. The BOM says the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was CORRUPTED and "plain and precious parts" were removed AFTER the 12 apostles and after the formation of the “great and ABOMINABLE church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Nephi claims this church was founded by the DEVIL (1 Nephi 14:3) No other Christian Church believes this. While Christians believe in one God in three persons. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught numerous Gods past and future. Joseph smith said: He (Father) was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon) Brigham Young made it clear God is a polygamists. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269 Joseph Smith changed the biblical, eternal God into an evolving, created god, who is not all powerful and is one of an endless number of gods. This is a PROVABLY FALSE claim if you believe the bible. "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and B.Y. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is. In the Bible, Jesus' teachings in Matthew 19:3-6 indicate that monogamy is God's ideal for marriage. In this passage, Jesus quotes from the Genesis creation account, specifically Genesis 1:27 and 2:24, saying, "the two will become one flesh," not more than two. Jesus also said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the TWO will become one flesh" in a quote from Genesis 2:24. Jesus criticized polygamy. That is why I ask: What made you believe the bible is corrupted to make a new God that is not eternal, not creator of the Universe and approves of polygamy? You have to believe this if you follow the BOM and it's "prophets" Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. With love I pray for you.
Why reject biblical truth? Jesus said there is no marriage in heaven. We are commanded to test any teacher or "prophet" to see if it conflicts with previous revelation. The bible tells us to watch out for false teachers and examine the scripture just like the Bereans did to see if what the Apostle Paul was teaching was truth. Acts 17:11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and EXAMINED the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Test Joseph Smith against the words of God Jesus affirmed. Luke 24:44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and LDS members. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is. "He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon) Either the BIBLE or LDS is FALSE.
@@brettpinion4233 I’d love to answer this using God’s word and what He said in the Bible, but you seem not open to talking about things you personally don’t agree with. When you are more open, feel free to reach out. And keep reading God’s word in the Bible :)
What about if a woman gets divorced and then remarries, and then the husband of the second marriage dies? And, the husband of the woman's second marriage is her true love?
It seems things aren't as neat and tidy as we'd like. Things can get complicated very quickly. If "God can work it out" in the end, why not stop pretending we can put things into a perfect little plan.
In Luke Jesus gave us an account of the Rich man and Lazarus. Both died, yet they were very much alive as spirits. The Rich man even asked Abraham to send Lazarus to his brothers, so they would repent, after seeing Lazarus come back from the dead, and not end up in the place of torments, where he was. Abraham said, " They have the law and the prophets, if they believe not them, they will not be convinced though someone come back from the dead" This scripture shows us we absolutely do not need a body to live! We are alive as spirits with or without a body. So why would we need, or even want a body? It would have to be to be able to do something we cannot do as spirits, or there would be no point, right? Please pay attention. I am showing you how you can know what the meaning of life is. So if we believe the Bible, we believe that we are intelligent spirits housed in a body, which body is absolutely not nessesarry for us to live. We are looking at why we would want a body. The New Testament teaches that Christ created heaven and earth, all things visible and invisible. For Christ to have created earth, He had to have been a Spirit right? Right! So intelligent spirit can create. Now, to further understand our abilities as spirits without a body, we must look at some other scriptures. In Revelation 12 we read about a war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought, and Satan and his angels fought. Satan and his angels lost the war ,and were cast out of heaven down here to the earth. By this, and other scriptures, we see that every time we read in the Bible about a person being possessed by a devil, they are being possessed by one or more of those angels who were kicked out of heaven. Right? Right! Now we look at an example of those cast out angels possessing someone. In Luke, we read about a man in the tombs. He was cutting himself. He wore no cloths, and no person could bind him. He was crazy, out of his mind. Jesus walked up to the man, and the devils possessing the man responded that their name was "Legion" when Jesus asked their name. The begged Jesus to not cast them into the open, where they would have no body, but instead, they sought to be cast into the bodies of above 2000 swine that were feeding on the side of a hill. Jesus allowed them to enter into the bodies of the pigs. Let's look at our similarities to the demons. They are intelligent spirits, that do not need a body to live. We are intelligent spirits that not need a body to live. Here is where we see our true identity. Can those angels that were cast out of heaven that possessed the man in the tombs, have a body of their own? No! If they could, they would have just manifested themselves into their own body, rather than seek the bodies of pigs, instead of the option of no body. How much do those intelligent spirits that possessed the man want a body? So much that they would rather possess the bodies of pigs than have no body at all. Are they jealous of us, because we have a body and they can never have one? Yes!!!!!!! Do they hate us, because we have a body and they can never have one? Yes!!!!!!!! Are they at war with us, because we have a body, and they can never have one? Yes!!!!!!! The war that started in heaven is still raging. Only now it is being fought here on earth. We are the angels who kicked Satan and his angels out of heaven!!!!!!! We are the son's and daughters of God. We are the son's of God who sang together and shouted for joy at the creation of the earth, spoken of in Job 38: 4,7. Jeremiah was ordained a prophet unto the nations before he was born. See Jeremiah 1:5. We do not need a body to be ordained or sanctified. In 2 Peter, I believe it's ch. 4, we read how Jesus went to the spirits who were disobedient after the long suffering of the days of Noah, and preached the gospel to them , between the time if His death on the cross and His resurrection from the dead, so a spirit can repent of some things. However, there would be no purpose for mortal life, if a spirit can repent of all things. If you look at all the capabilities we have as spirits only, it is everything we can do with a body, except, eat food, drink fluids, and copulalte. There is the answer to the purpose of life! Would God trust an immortal with a body of flesh and bones that has sexual organs, like Adam and Eve had in the garden of Eden, that could not be killed, even by Him? No. The Bible teaches that everyone's body of flesh and bones will be resurrected and immortal, but only those people who repent of all sins that violate the law of chastity as mortals, will have an immortal body that has sexual organs. In the example of the 7 Sadducees brothers, and one Sadducees woman, Jesus was only responding to them, not everyone. He was saying, those 7 Sadducees brothers, and one Sadducees woman that do not believe in the resurrection of the dead, and therefore do not believe He is the Messiah, will be like angels in heaven, who have no sexual organs, and therefore cannot be married or given in marriage. Do you believe Jesus was telling the Sadducees that they would be angels in heaven, who do not believe in Christ? Come on. Follow the they in that scripture, and use only the King James Bible, the others have been changed to reflect their beliefs that Christ was talking about everyone. You will see that the they means only the Sadducees, but is applies to everyone who does not believe in the resurrected of the dead. A Celestial body is a body that is immortal, and has sexual organs. A Terrestrial or Telestial body is an immortal body that has no sexual organs. Those people who are resurrected at the first resurrection will either have Celestial bodies, with sexual organs, like Adam and Eve, or they will have Terrestrial bodies, but only those who lived the law of chastity as a mortal will have a Celestial body. There will be many Adams and many Eves during the Millennial reign of Christ on the earth, but there will be no fornication or Adultery. We are here to be tested to see if we can handle an immortal body that has sexual organs.
I understand where you are coming from, but that’s the problem when you only have one verse to determine an entire doctrine. That’s why “in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.” When you combine all the words of multiple prophets, and multiple accounts of Jesus, we get a more clear picture.
@@WhatBibleSay Are you aware that everyone that sees a certain doctrine a certain way says the same exact thing, even though their compilation of scriptures they used to come up with their understanding is diametrically opposed to a dozen other understandings. That is why I go to the basics. Does the Bible teach we are intelligent spirits that do not need a body? Yes! Does the Bible teach our body will be resurrected and immortal? Yes! What can we do with a body that we cannot do as a spirit? Eat, drink, and copulalte. That's it! The reason we want a body is to be able to eat, drink and copulalte. If the only things we can do with a body that we cannot do as a spirit only , that would require a mortal test is copulalte, then the purpose for mortal life is to see if we can be trusted with an immortal body that has sexual organs, like Adam and Eve had, that cannot be killed, even by God, because God declared it as a result of the atonement of Jesus Christ, and He cannot go back on His word. We can repent as spirits, but if we could repent of everything as a spirit, there would be no need for a mortal test. Considering the only thing we can do with a body that we cannot do as a spirit only that would require a mortal test is copulalte, there must be eternal marriage, otherwise, having a mortal body would be a waste of time. We would not want or need one.
With the limited doctrine you have, I understand where your misconception comes from. The truth is that God the Father has a perfected body. He wants His children to become like him. He sent us here to receive a mortal physical body and be tested. As we learn to control our physical bodies and act in God-like ways, we become more like our Father in Heaven. After this life we will be resurrected and have a perfected physical body like God has. This is truth as taught in the Old Testament but filtered by the Deuteronomists. It was taught in the New Testament, it is taught in the Book of Mormon, and it’s taught by true prophets today.
@@WhatBibleSay There is nothing God told Joseph Smith recorded in the D&C, and spoken of by prophets in the Book of Mormon, that I cannot prove is true. I have a perfect testimony of the restored gospel. It would be an unforgivable sin for me to deny it. You are reading my responses in the context of a critic. I am trying to show you how logic shows the doctrines of the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints are true.
Adam and Eve were husband and wife in the Garden of Eden. So when God performed the marriage ceremony, did He say "Until death do ye part" when there was no death in the world at that time? Tell me you can't imagine a happier place than heaven where everyone is fatherless and motherless and divorced.
@@WhatBibleSay I get it you believe the bible is corrupted or you wouldn't be Mormon. Yet the evidence shows one is true and the other is false. I pray you examine each for the truth. That "testimony" test of LDS is not biblical. I don't disagree that you get a feeling just as Jehovah's witnesses and Muslims and Hindus. The terms set forth in Moroni 10:4 are manipulative and use circular reasoning. D&C Section 9:8-9 - tells us that if something is true it will make our "bosom burn" and we will FEEL that it is right. Maroni 10:4 says: "he will manifest the truth of it unto you"
The BIBLE WARNS us against this SUBJECTIVE type of truth test. The LDS test for truth violates the Biblical test. Why? Because we have a sinful nature that can be DECEIVED. Proverbs 28:26 "He that trusts in his own (bosom) heart is a FOOL." The Biblical test begins first with PRIOR Scriptural revelation and to test all things by it (2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Peter 1:12-2:3; 1 Thes. 5:19-21). 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV "STUDY ... rightly dividing the word of TRUTH." Acts 17:11 "EXAMINE THE SCRIPTURES to see if what said is TRUE". 1John 4:1 says: "BELIEVE NOT EVERY SPIRIT, ... because MANY FALSE PROPHETS (J.S.) have gone out into the world." The Bible repeatedly warns us about false teachers, false prophets, false Jesuses, false gospels and counterfeit Christianity (Matt 7:15, 24:24; 2 Peter 2:1-3; 2 Cor. 11:3-4, 13-15; Gal. 1:6-9). Scripture explicitly warns us against demonic spiritual deception (1 Tim. 4:1). "And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." 2 Cor. 11:14 Even when Paul and Silas delivered the truths of the gospel to the people of Berea, the Bereans were commended for EXAMINING the Scriptures to validate the claims of the apostles. There are NO Biblical directives to pray for new revelation based on a warm feeling for verification. Would you pray about the validity of the Koran or about whether or not Muhammad is a true prophet? If no, why not? Are the Muslims not sincere? They pray 5 times per day. Don’t they feel good or right about their faith? I have sincerely prayed with real faith in Christ and He has shown me Mormonism is false! I don't ask that you believe me, believe the words of the Bible that Jesus affirmed. Luke 24:44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and LDS members. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is. He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon) Either the BIBLE or LDS is FALSE.
If you believe marriage is in heaven. You are decieved and do not understand God. The book of Mormon is a heretictical book and making a statement of marriage in heaven is blasphemous and contradictory to the words of Christ. Yet you want to believe otherwise because "with itching ears" you want to hear what tickles your fancy.
Marriage has to take place here on earth, and to be sealed for eternity this needs to be done here on earth in a Temple. This is not don’t after this life, so that’s why we do proxy work for the dead. We can perform Sealings for them that are dead and cannot do them for themselves.
We were created male and female. We're different beings in body, spirit, and soul. We aren't given any scriptural evidence to expect our permanent physical bodies to disrupt that order.
@@Kinetic2040 it's understandable that much of your self-identification comes from your physical feelings supported by your gender. But gender distinctions exist only because of sexual distinctions. And sexual distinctions exist only because we are sexually reproductive mammals. If you think such processes are required in heaven, you have a very poor idea of heaven.
Where Matthew 22 is mentioned, I really believe that Jesus must have alluded to (if not outright taught about) eternal marriage in his time.
Here is my reasoning:
1. Verse 23: specifically states the Sadducees, who don't believe in the resurrection, asked Jesus to clarify some teachings about marriage after the resurrection.
If the Sadducees do not believe in the resurrection, what caused them to even bring up the question? It may have been spurred on by a teaching about eternal marriage that may have been circulating among the groups who had been listening to Jesus and discussing his teachings.
2. Verses 24-28: the Sadducees bring to mind what is called "Levirate Marriage" designated in Deut 25:5-10. The purpose of which was to ensure the 1st brother's "name be not put out of Israel" (that he may be remembered). The time period for Levirate marriage was not eternal but only to keep the original brother's name in regard so he would not be forgotten.
3. Verses 29-30: Jesus' response had to do with the marriage relationship specified in Deuteronomy, not Eternal Marriage. “Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.” (i.e., The 7 brothers were not sealed by the power of God.)
"But in the resurrection they [i.e., the brothers] neither marry nor are given in marriage but are as the angels which are in heaven."
Thank you for your detailed comments. This really adds to the conversation and is helpful!
The scriptures are true. Besides that, there is something inborn in us as humans that tells us that there is more to life than the time between birth and death. All major religions agree that we continue to exist after death, and that there are consequences for our actions in life (good or bad). Logically it would follow that if marriage is so important to God for us in this life, that this relationship would be at least as important to God after this life.
Yes, to this brother. Jesus Christ gave Peter the power to seal/marry a man and a woman on earth and they would still be sealed/married in heaven. Amen.
Amen, I love this logical approach.
For the purposes of the Sadducees, who did not so much as believe in the resurrection, of course they will not be married in the resurrection.
Thanks for commenting!
So, what type of Priest is needed to officiate an everlasting marriage or does the Pastor change the "until death do you part" to something like "may this bond be forever lasting in Heaven"?
Very important question. This type of marriage is performed in Temples by someone with the proper authority.
ruclips.net/video/mgo-7UqDi28/видео.htmlsi=24mTWw9MVWEQG378
According to the Bible...
In Genesis we read that Adam and Eve were joined together as husband and wife in the Garden of Eden. There they would have remained forever, having been joined together by God Himself. And what God hath joined, no power on earth, including death or the grave, has any power to undo or annul.
Then came the fall and they became subjected to pain and death. Their union however was and is eternal because it was ordained of God.
Eternal marriage therefore is of God and not man, and existed on the earth long before the Bible.
It's true that in the resurrection, no marriages are being made, but what about after the resurrection and final judgement?
Are we not to be resurrected as male and female, since that's the way we were created?
What kind of heaven includes the resurrected bodies and souls of both males and females, but consigned to live as celibate eunuchs throughout all eternity
Very logical
@@WhatBibleSay I think so. Thanks
I really like how the Bible and BOM are used together it gives me more understanding. Thank you.
I agree. The more I studio both books of scripture the more I find they fit seamlessly together, and paint a clear picture.
Why reject biblical truth?
We are commanded to test any teacher or "prophet" to see if it conflicts with previous revelation. The bible tells us to watch out for false teachers and examine the scripture just like the Bereans did to see if what the Apostle Paul was teaching was truth.
Acts 17:11
Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and EXAMINED the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
Test Joseph Smith against the words of God Jesus affirmed.
Luke 24:44
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”
"Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and LDS members.
Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him.
LDS teaches that there is. "He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon)
Either the BIBLE or LDS is FALSE.
@@brettpinion4233 the Bible and BOM are true. I believe Jesus Christ showed Himself after His resurrection and I also believe the people in the Americas saw him and taught the people. I believe others saw Him but there are no records before He joined the Father.
@@andreafaldon5026
Yes the BOM contains some truth because Joseph Smith copied parts of the bible into the BOM.
15.5% (1,023 of 6,064) of the verses in the Book of Mormon plagiarize directly from the Old Testament and New Testaments of the Bible.
You may be aware that the Quran also contains some truth as it copies stories from the bible as well.
Does this make the BOM or the Quran as a whole true? No. Each claims to receive revelation from an angel to restore corrupted parts. Neither explains what the corrupted parts are.
It is interesting that Muhammad and Joseph Smith both claimed God gave them authority to have multiple wives, J.S. having even more than Muhammad.
Do you see the problem? Remember, Jesus said be aware of the yeast of the Pharisees? Mathew 16:16
It is the parts added to or changed to the scriptures that make Joseph Smith, the Pharisees (orally not to the scriptures) and Muhammad false prophets.
It is simple to spot the Joseph Smith teaches a different false Father and son. So did the LDS apostles after him. I pray you recognize the danger you are in.
2 Timothy 3:16 ESV
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
Proverbs 30:5-6 ESV
Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.
Either you believe the biblical scripture or Joseph Smith's teachings followed by LDS.
You cannot hold both as truth as they contradict each other. Don't be fooled.
The BOM says the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was CORRUPTED and "plain and precious parts" were removed AFTER the 12 apostles and after the formation of the “great and ABOMINABLE church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Nephi claims this church was founded by the DEVIL (1 Nephi 14:3)
No other Christian Church believes this. While Christians believe in one God in three persons. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught numerous Gods past and future.
Joseph smith said: He (Father) was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon)
Brigham Young made it clear God is a polygamists. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269
Joseph Smith changed the biblical, eternal God into an evolving, created god, who is not all powerful and is one of an endless number of gods.
This is a PROVABLY FALSE claim if you believe the bible.
"Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and B.Y.
Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one".
God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is.
In the Bible, Jesus' teachings in Matthew 19:3-6 indicate that monogamy is God's ideal for marriage. In this passage, Jesus quotes from the Genesis creation account, specifically Genesis 1:27 and 2:24, saying, "the two will become one flesh," not more than two.
Jesus also said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the TWO will become one flesh" in a quote from Genesis 2:24. Jesus criticized polygamy.
That is why I ask: What made you believe the bible is corrupted to make a new God that is not eternal, not creator of the Universe and approves of polygamy? You have to believe this if you follow the BOM and it's "prophets" Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
With love I pray for you.
“On Earth as it is in Heaven” - Marriage is abolished in heaven and therefore on Earth its ok as well.
I know that family is an essential part of Gods plan for his children and that families can be together forever.
That’s not, not everyone will get the chance to marry in this life. But they will be given the chance.
Yes, Jesus Christ makes up for all unfairness.
Great Video! (It makes more sense to bring both of these things together) Marriage can last forever but only through the priesthood! :) Thanks!!!
Thanks. Glad for have you here.
Great video! Thanks for discussing this topic!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Why reject biblical truth? Jesus said there is no marriage in heaven.
We are commanded to test any teacher or "prophet" to see if it conflicts with previous revelation. The bible tells us to watch out for false teachers and examine the scripture just like the Bereans did to see if what the Apostle Paul was teaching was truth.
Acts 17:11
Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and EXAMINED the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
Test Joseph Smith against the words of God Jesus affirmed.
Luke 24:44
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”
"Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and LDS members.
Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him.
LDS teaches that there is. "He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon)
Either the BIBLE or LDS is FALSE.
@@brettpinion4233 I’d love to answer this using God’s word and what He said in the Bible, but you seem not open to talking about things you personally don’t agree with. When you are more open, feel free to reach out. And keep reading God’s word in the Bible :)
@@joshuaasuman1 Please show me what I have misstated from the bible? The truth is not afraid of examination.
That’s why it’s important to have prophets to clarify the things we misinterpret.
What about if a woman gets divorced and then remarries, and then the husband of the second marriage dies? And, the husband of the woman's second marriage is her true love?
That’s a very good question. I know God is good, and God has given us agency.
The ordinance is what is important. No one will be “stuck” with someone they don’t wish to be with. All things will be equitably sorted out by God.
It seems things aren't as neat and tidy as we'd like. Things can get complicated very quickly. If "God can work it out" in the end, why not stop pretending we can put things into a perfect little plan.
In Luke Jesus gave us an account of the Rich man and Lazarus. Both died, yet they were very much alive as spirits. The Rich man even asked Abraham to send Lazarus to his brothers, so they would repent, after seeing Lazarus come back from the dead, and not end up in the place of torments, where he was. Abraham said, " They have the law and the prophets, if they believe not them, they will not be convinced though someone come back from the dead"
This scripture shows us we absolutely do not need a body to live! We are alive as spirits with or without a body.
So why would we need, or even want a body? It would have to be to be able to do something we cannot do as spirits, or there would be no point, right? Please pay attention. I am showing you how you can know what the meaning of life is.
So if we believe the Bible, we believe that we are intelligent spirits housed in a body, which body is absolutely not nessesarry for us to live. We are looking at why we would want a body.
The New Testament teaches that Christ created heaven and earth, all things visible and invisible. For Christ to have created earth, He had to have been a Spirit right? Right! So intelligent spirit can create.
Now, to further understand our abilities as spirits without a body, we must look at some other scriptures. In Revelation 12 we read about a war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought, and Satan and his angels fought. Satan and his angels lost the war ,and were cast out of heaven down here to the earth. By this, and other scriptures, we see that every time we read in the Bible about a person being possessed by a devil, they are being possessed by one or more of those angels who were kicked out of heaven. Right? Right!
Now we look at an example of those cast out angels possessing someone. In Luke, we read about a man in the tombs. He was cutting himself. He wore no cloths, and no person could bind him. He was crazy, out of his mind. Jesus walked up to the man, and the devils possessing the man responded that their name was "Legion" when Jesus asked their name. The begged Jesus to not cast them into the open, where they would have no body, but instead, they sought to be cast into the bodies of above 2000 swine that were feeding on the side of a hill. Jesus allowed them to enter into the bodies of the pigs.
Let's look at our similarities to the demons. They are intelligent spirits, that do not need a body to live. We are intelligent spirits that not need a body to live.
Here is where we see our true identity. Can those angels that were cast out of heaven that possessed the man in the tombs, have a body of their own? No! If they could, they would have just manifested themselves into their own body, rather than seek the bodies of pigs, instead of the option of no body.
How much do those intelligent spirits that possessed the man want a body? So much that they would rather possess the bodies of pigs than have no body at all.
Are they jealous of us, because we have a body and they can never have one? Yes!!!!!!!
Do they hate us, because we have a body and they can never have one? Yes!!!!!!!!
Are they at war with us, because we have a body, and they can never have one? Yes!!!!!!!
The war that started in heaven is still raging. Only now it is being fought here on earth. We are the angels who kicked Satan and his angels out of heaven!!!!!!! We are the son's and daughters of God.
We are the son's of God who sang together and shouted for joy at the creation of the earth, spoken of in Job 38: 4,7.
Jeremiah was ordained a prophet unto the nations before he was born. See Jeremiah 1:5. We do not need a body to be ordained or sanctified. In 2 Peter, I believe it's ch. 4, we read how Jesus went to the spirits who were disobedient after the long suffering of the days of Noah, and preached the gospel to them , between the time if His death on the cross and His resurrection from the dead, so a spirit can repent of some things.
However, there would be no purpose for mortal life, if a spirit can repent of all things.
If you look at all the capabilities we have as spirits only, it is everything we can do with a body, except, eat food, drink fluids, and copulalte. There is the answer to the purpose of life! Would God trust an immortal with a body of flesh and bones that has sexual organs, like Adam and Eve had in the garden of Eden, that could not be killed, even by Him? No. The Bible teaches that everyone's body of flesh and bones will be resurrected and immortal, but only those people who repent of all sins that violate the law of chastity as mortals, will have an immortal body that has sexual organs. In the example of the 7 Sadducees brothers, and one Sadducees woman, Jesus was only responding to them, not everyone. He was saying, those 7 Sadducees brothers, and one Sadducees woman that do not believe in the resurrection of the dead, and therefore do not believe He is the Messiah, will be like angels in heaven, who have no sexual organs, and therefore cannot be married or given in marriage. Do you believe Jesus was telling the Sadducees that they would be angels in heaven, who do not believe in Christ?
Come on.
Follow the they in that scripture, and use only the King James Bible, the others have been changed to reflect their beliefs that Christ was talking about everyone. You will see that the they means only the Sadducees, but is applies to everyone who does not believe in the resurrected of the dead.
A Celestial body is a body that is immortal, and has sexual organs. A Terrestrial or Telestial body is an immortal body that has no sexual organs.
Those people who are resurrected at the first resurrection will either have Celestial bodies, with sexual organs, like Adam and Eve, or they will have Terrestrial bodies, but only those who lived the law of chastity as a mortal will have a Celestial body. There will be many Adams and many Eves during the Millennial reign of Christ on the earth, but there will be no fornication or Adultery.
We are here to be tested to see if we can handle an immortal body that has sexual organs.
I understand where you are coming from, but that’s the problem when you only have one verse to determine an entire doctrine. That’s why “in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.” When you combine all the words of multiple prophets, and multiple accounts of Jesus, we get a more clear picture.
@@WhatBibleSay
Are you aware that everyone that sees a certain doctrine a certain way says the same exact thing, even though their compilation of scriptures they used to come up with their understanding is diametrically opposed to a dozen other understandings.
That is why I go to the basics. Does the Bible teach we are intelligent spirits that do not need a body? Yes! Does the Bible teach our body will be resurrected and immortal? Yes! What can we do with a body that we cannot do as a spirit?
Eat, drink, and copulalte. That's it!
The reason we want a body is to be able to eat, drink and copulalte. If the only things we can do with a body that we cannot do as a spirit only , that would require a mortal test is copulalte, then the purpose for mortal life is to see if we can be trusted with an immortal body that has sexual organs, like Adam and Eve had, that cannot be killed, even by God, because God declared it as a result of the atonement of Jesus Christ, and He cannot go back on His word.
We can repent as spirits, but if we could repent of everything as a spirit, there would be no need for a mortal test.
Considering the only thing we can do with a body that we cannot do as a spirit only that would require a mortal test is copulalte, there must be eternal marriage, otherwise, having a mortal body would be a waste of time. We would not want or need one.
With the limited doctrine you have, I understand where your misconception comes from. The truth is that God the Father has a perfected body. He wants His children to become like him. He sent us here to receive a mortal physical body and be tested. As we learn to control our physical bodies and act in God-like ways, we become more like our Father in Heaven.
After this life we will be resurrected and have a perfected physical body like God has.
This is truth as taught in the Old Testament but filtered by the Deuteronomists. It was taught in the New Testament, it is taught in the Book of Mormon, and it’s taught by true prophets today.
@@WhatBibleSay
There is nothing God told Joseph Smith recorded in the D&C, and spoken of by prophets in the Book of Mormon, that I cannot prove is true. I have a perfect testimony of the restored gospel. It would be an unforgivable sin for me to deny it. You are reading my responses in the context of a critic. I am trying to show you how logic shows the doctrines of the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints are true.
@@GarySaint-xm6tr Thanks for clarifying. You are right, I was confused.
I thought you were going to go into the Old Testament and show what it taught.
If I missed some verses you thought of, please share them. These are what I found.
There is None!!! ✝️🕊️🙌👍
But God has revealed otherwise
Adam and Eve were husband and wife in the Garden of Eden. So when God performed the marriage ceremony, did He say "Until death do ye part" when there was no death in the world at that time? Tell me you can't imagine a happier place than heaven where everyone is fatherless and motherless and divorced.
Jesus said there's no marriage in heaven. That's enough for me.
Bom is a book of proven lies, while the Bible is not.
You have to read verses in context. And it’s helpful to put those verses in context to all the other teachings about marriage.
@@WhatBibleSay please put what Jesus said in context for us.
Think about who was asking the question and what their position on Resurrection was. And consider what their intention in asking Jesus was.
That’s like saying Moses plagiarized the story of the creation.
@@WhatBibleSay I get it you believe the bible is corrupted or you wouldn't be Mormon. Yet the evidence shows one is true and the other is false. I pray you examine each for the truth.
That "testimony" test of LDS is not biblical. I don't disagree that you get a feeling just as Jehovah's witnesses and Muslims and Hindus. The terms set forth in Moroni 10:4 are manipulative and use circular reasoning.
D&C Section 9:8-9 - tells us that if something is true it will make our "bosom burn" and we will FEEL that it is right. Maroni 10:4 says: "he will manifest the truth of it unto you"
The BIBLE WARNS us against this SUBJECTIVE type of truth test. The LDS test for truth violates the Biblical test. Why?
Because we have a sinful nature that can be DECEIVED. Proverbs 28:26 "He that trusts in his own (bosom) heart is a FOOL."
The Biblical test begins first with PRIOR Scriptural revelation and to test all things by it (2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Peter 1:12-2:3; 1 Thes. 5:19-21). 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV "STUDY ... rightly dividing the word of TRUTH."
Acts 17:11 "EXAMINE THE SCRIPTURES to see if what said is TRUE". 1John 4:1 says: "BELIEVE NOT EVERY SPIRIT, ... because MANY FALSE PROPHETS (J.S.) have gone out into the world."
The Bible repeatedly warns us about false teachers, false prophets, false Jesuses, false gospels and counterfeit Christianity (Matt 7:15, 24:24; 2 Peter 2:1-3; 2 Cor. 11:3-4, 13-15; Gal. 1:6-9).
Scripture explicitly warns us against demonic spiritual deception (1 Tim. 4:1). "And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." 2 Cor. 11:14
Even when Paul and Silas delivered the truths of the gospel to the people of Berea, the Bereans were commended for EXAMINING the Scriptures to validate the claims of the apostles.
There are NO Biblical directives to pray for new revelation based on a warm feeling for verification.
Would you pray about the validity of the Koran or about whether or not Muhammad is a true prophet? If no, why not? Are the Muslims not sincere? They pray 5 times per day. Don’t they feel good or right about their faith?
I have sincerely prayed with real faith in Christ and He has shown me Mormonism is false! I don't ask that you believe me, believe the words of the Bible that Jesus affirmed.
Luke 24:44
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”
"Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and LDS members.
Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is. He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon)
Either the BIBLE or LDS is FALSE.
half way, and am not convinced.....nothing , you said, makes any sense, to me...
That's because it doesn't make any real sense at all.
It all makes sense if you understand the role of prophets.
I see it clearly. What is missing for you?
If you believe marriage is in heaven. You are decieved and do not understand God.
The book of Mormon is a heretictical book and making a statement of marriage in heaven is blasphemous and contradictory to the words of Christ.
Yet you want to believe otherwise because "with itching ears" you want to hear what tickles your fancy.
It’s a pretty big difference, so I can understand you having a strong opinion. I know families are central to Gods plan for us as his children.
Genesis 2:28 says "man and his wife were naked and not ashamed" before the fall married in eternity.
Marriage has to take place here on earth, and to be sealed for eternity this needs to be done here on earth in a Temple. This is not don’t after this life, so that’s why we do proxy work for the dead. We can perform Sealings for them that are dead and cannot do them for themselves.
I think the Bible and Mormon don't agree... Sorry useless video as far as I am concerned
Sorry to hear that. I study them both regularly and they align perfectly. I invite you to look closer. Listen to the "still small voice."
The idea of marriage in heaven is silly.
Because the idea of gender in heaven is 100% absurd.
We were created male and female. We're different beings in body, spirit, and soul. We aren't given any scriptural evidence to expect our permanent physical bodies to disrupt that order.
Very sound logic
@@Kinetic2040 it's understandable that much of your self-identification comes from your physical feelings supported by your gender. But gender distinctions exist only because of sexual distinctions. And sexual distinctions exist only because we are sexually reproductive mammals. If you think such processes are required in heaven, you have a very poor idea of heaven.
@@WhatBibleSay "Sound logic" based on a vapid premise is worthless. See my reply to him.
Well, we wouldn’t know what heaven was like, if God hadn’t spoken to man and told us about it. If we didn’t have prophets, we’d be lost.