"Do you think you're beautiful?" - Neon Demon director Nicolas Winding Refn meets model Rosie Nelson
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Model and campaigner Rosie Nelson gained fame earlier this year after taking a stand against the fashion industry when she was told to slim 'down to the bone' for a campaign. Now, in this exclusive interview, Rosie meets the legendary cult film director Nicolas Winding Refn whose latest film The Neon Demon explores the dark side of beauty.
They talk low-self esteem, the impact of being bullied as children and how the digital revolution has affected people's perception of beauty.
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He completely proved his point.
Doesn't seem a significant point if you can't mention it without it sounding foolish or just totally trivial. (Like in all posturing, incongruous statements like that... There is not just a "single" nor any very original point in that video, however your implication sounds especially shallow and beside the point, as if it were some competition between them, which is nuts.)
@@bfkc111 wow the point police is here. Its funny how fashionable it is to slam NWR for being an honest rebel in a sea of conformists who wants everyone to act the same
I think Nic refn is one of the most insightful people in Hollywood right now. Many people have these insecurities that Nic had himself, and use these (whether intentional or not) as excuses as to why they are unable to reach a goal of how they want to feel or what they want to accomplish. I think this is a good reminder that as long as you work hard at what you love to do everything will come together in a way you want it to, rather then doing what someone else wants you to do. Life is too short to not pursue what you love
Artistic genius. Love him or hate him...enjoy his films or detest them, This man is 100% a visionary.
He read her instantly. Doesn't buy her sad story. Even gets her to "Hi-5 her own vanity".
Well, what you die by is what you live by... so for that to ressonance, its to do with selfperserverances.
Beside that, I think she learn't a good lesson.
He is not a genious, he just knows exactly what he is talking about... I like him, very honest guy, not just as a person but as a filmmaker too...
I feel like his only problem is that he knows he's a genius
Hes not even good pretending hes one. Neon Demon is great tho
He talks in a very uncensored, unapologetic way. That can be off putting to a lot of people. I have seen interviews with him that makes me wanna punch him in the face, and interviews that made me wanna high five him. I don't think he can fully explain his motives and way of being unless you give him a very neutral, non biased interviewer and give him at least 20 minutes to warm up and finish talking. His better interviews on YT are quite long, but I always like him more towards the end than in the beginning. He seems very... I don't know, stoic maybe? But also very kind, for some reason I see him as a very good husband and a father. I don't know, it's kind of hard to place his personality somewhere. But like you said, he's very sharp and knows that as well. That can make him seem very arrogant, and people have a hard time looking past that trait.
We use the word genius far too much nowadays
He is not a genius/ He is talented but not that special as he thinks he is. He can learn a lot from the real genius, David Lynch, when we talk about art.
Genius? Stanley Kubrick was a genius. Federico Fellini was a genius. Ingmar Bergman was a genius. This guy: meh.
I am a different person after watching this movie. It made me a reaction.
About what is being beautiful - if you are only an empty beautiful dead corpse, you mean nothing (to you or others) - if you don't have a kind atitude towards others you will never be beautiful.
ego grows when a child looks at the mirror for the first time - but true beauty is when you mirror yourself into others.
It really got me thinking, that, you are only true beautiful when you love other people.
Even the oddest of us have feelings, and those! are the reasons we contemplate this.
I liked the honesty in this interview. Wish there was more like it.
He intrigues me but also terrifies me
So girly.
@@buckrogers5703 silly comment. He is quite creepy.
@@QueenBee-mk8xm He is the best director we have
@@buckrogers5703 who is we
@@QueenBee-mk8xm Those who love authentik original, audacious and estheticaly unitque cinema. Wish is rare... Have you seen his movies ? The Neon Demon ? Drive ? Only God Forgives... and more recently his AMAZING Netflix serie ?
Nicolas Winding Refn is brilliant. He's really smart. I really wanna watch The Neon Demon already. I loved the soundtrack by Cliff Martinez.
totally my opinion
Neon Demon is a masterpiece. The bad reviews are hilarious.
Have you heard the one his nephew composed? Julian Winding is super talent too :D it's on Spotify and its spot on.
Perry Reeves Yea I know it it's brilliant.
Orr971 It's not for everyone But me and My bestfriend Love it.
Turning weaknesses into strengths, I've gone through it and can relate. Essentially if you've gown up with any bad background or loss of parents through divorce or abusive conditions at home, instead of letting these tear you down and adding bricks to your mental wall from the cruel world and relationships, you instead embrace it and become self-aware, knowing yourself better than anyone else who has grown up with an easy privileged life would know themselves. And in the end, now that you know your weaknesses of beauty, popularity, wealth, race, etc... now you can relate with a broader sense of compassion toward humanity and what is really important in life and to yourself. You aren't blind anymore by the material and objectifying way that some highly-priveleged people care about in the world. I suggest watching Pink Floyd's "The Wall" it covers all about tearing down insecurities.
Tyler Carlin lovely sincere comment
Tyler Carlin incisive intellectual comment which I learned from and agree totally. I actually wrote a book about it it's called knockabout mental in Massachusetts
He nicely spun that conversation... he wanted her to reflect if her beauty is really so advantageous but she didn't proving his point.
I love him but I'd be scared shitless to interview him.
ahahahahah i hadn’t seen it that way, good one
If you don't get it...the whole point of this "interview" is that HIS NEW FILM IS OUT THERE, THE NEON DEMON, GO WATCH IT AND GIVE HIM YOUR MONEY... also he deeply cares about poor models...isn't he a wonderful human being? Commercials disguised as good-cause-promotions!!!!
@@prince-solomon YEAH NEON DEMON IS MERELY A MONEY GRAP... what are you insane?!
This was a great talk. This man is giving me motivation
Beauty is not the same thing as attraction. Yes a person's behavior can turn you off and make them less attractive, but that doesn't make them any less beautiful. It doesn't change them physically or remove the charisma that drew you to them in the first place. There is a kind of Overton Window with beauty, but it's not as subjective as some people think. It's attractiveness that's in the eye of the beholder.
He's taking none of her shit
Rather than getting into an industry where you struggle to look good just for a few nice compliments, why dont you just get into acting where you can look however you want and still get praised?
it's not the same skillset, she seems to be looking forward to sjw career
Sorry i have not seen anorexic women in any hollywood movie only natural and healthy... Mostly very fit... This is all good.
So you think a woman that has been cast to play a disgusting fat orc in a Lord Of The Rings movie would have to be good looking?. You get cast to fit the theme of the movie at hand. Sure you'd probably have to be an attractive female if you're trying to play the lead character in a rom com, but actors select roles to suit themselves both in their acting ability and looks. A casting director wont care how good looking you are if the role dosnt require you to be good looking
Ninja... sorry but a skinny girl in unhealthy when she's anorexic and suffers malnutrition... same as fat person is unhealthy when he passes to the obesity region. Skinny is a natural state for most young women.
From my observation skinny and healthy average built are the wide majority of how girls look like, it's only a slim percent of people that get fat unwillingly.
What I notice is that women in movies are mostly very fit, and that's skinny or not is the only healthy standard.
The difference 1.bp.blogspot.com/-r0TU7StDMCQ/UXh2bxg9KUI/AAAAAAAAAEU/eMUsR7Q6t2s/s1600/tumblr_m87ic76l7S1rbybp4o1_500.png
Ninja Bunny There's only one person stopping your from being fit... and no you don't have to as fit as fitness model. Don't be so bitter because you already won a gene game you have cute face. Small girls aren't in disadvantage when it comes to boring old looks.
I find his movies really unique and fascinating..... his way of relating though is super creepy and feels sociopathic.
This is an interesting vid to say the least that identifies the toxicity of the fashion industry where only the skinniest and most ill succeed which is challenging to say the least.
When the sickest of people dictate success on how much meat you haven't got on your bones , you know it's time to start a revolution and propel normal/average sized women into the spotlight to counter the balance of sickness in the industry!
Everyone talks about how genius this man is but I just see a pretentious guy with a great sense of aesthetics.
Then how can someone not be pretentious? Because all i see today is when somebody speaks with complete sincerity, he gets bashed by the crowd and nicknamed "pretentious". I mean, i think it's more pretentious to call someone pretentious...
Using the word pretentious, I think, shows a lack of intellect, but not a lack in the normal way; the person may have intellect, but they're letting that intellect be carried away by others, who have influenced them in a bad way; they may have the intellect, but it needs to be unleashed.
It's a ridiculous word, and the people who use it rarely know the exact meaning of it.
Absolutely absurd.
TheMann you know what I'm trying to say smart-ass
Honestly, I just can't understand the use of the word 'pretentious'.
It's in no offense to you, but I see the words from this man, come from a very deep place in his soul.
Especially with what his childhood was like; bullied, and the like; he seems a very authentic, and non-comprising person, which, for some reason, people seem to be unable to handle.
I've never understood the use of pretentious, because I think it shows ignorance; if I did think someone was pretentious, I would make the effort to research their character, study them, and then find that they are in fact not pretentious.
Guess that's the difference between people.
TheMann Guess some people read other people better than others ;)
hes really friendly. i talked to him. and the neon demon is just a voyage to another world, right?!
Don't leave this man alone with your girl 😂❤
I've heard Nicholas talk about weaknesses becoming strengths, I'd love to hear him talk a bit deeper about this. He seems to imply that his weaknesses can make him stronger than most, what do people think is the kind of process he is referring to?
He's talking about his dyslexia.
It made schooling and all these things hard, but also dyslexics are often really good at alternative creating thinking.
it's all about resilience, if you suffer from any form of upset or setback you then do one of two things; you withdraw and the fact festers and makes you weaker and subject to that setback and subsequently hinders development. Or, you suffer, it learn from it and/or get desensitised to it and can therefore use that life experience to make you stronger in the future. It's essentially a psychological manifestation of something similar to a vaccination, where you are given something bad and you therefore overcome it to the point it can't bother you, or your die from it.
+Jack Borden thanks guys, really clears things up for me
@@kingkongzillabong aLSO HE'S COLORBLIND
Fair play to Nic as he does blaze his own trail, however, it was tremendous fun to see William Friedkin tease him during the interview the two did for the Blu Ray release of Friedkin's classic Sorcerer. Billy was having none of that Refn overconfidence!
I love them both and it was unbelievably funny to watch Friedkin’s reactions at times
He's a genius, she seems quite shallow compared unfortunately
that's why she's a model
Well in the end she's the one who took action against the issue. It probably was just another occasion for navel-gazing as far as NWR is concerned. I love his cinema and I'd agree he's a genius but he frankly seems unsufferable.
This man，wow a genius.I love his film;)
Nic Winding Refn is amazing
What's with that High 5 in the end, haha?
Its to do with her selfproclamations that she is beautiful.
At least he's real
3:46 That story turned out to be very misleading. She was dishonest and was likely just copying the model Cameron Russell's 2012 Ted Talk. Small note.
It's weird how most of the models or actresses who get put forward as representing what 'real women' look like or whatever are still *really* slim. Not unrealistically slim or anything but still slimmer than 80% of people
It's not wierd. Its how it is. I bet bet you dont call it wierd whenever you see it in real life but then you see it portrayed honestly in a film and suddenly its the director fault how life is
@@collybeans586 The model in the video is absolutely way skinnier than most people lol I don’t know where you live where that’s an average size.
refn never fails to slip his narcissism into things dear god
I like watching people who just cut the shit wishing I could be like that
This girl is a very simple person.
He asks her if she thinks she is beautiful and then asks whether she thinks there are people who are not beautiful around her (meaning himself) and she says no. He then says I don´t believe you....this man clearly has issues when it comes to how he was/is perceived and knows that he was not perceived as being beautiful/good looking. He says he doesn´t care about it now, but I think he most certainly does.
May be, but I think what is really important n this interview is that he unveils the conveniente bullshit of "everyone is beautiful". No, some people are ugly and has to deal with that fact.
@@Vatoxido No, that´s rubbish. Everyone is beautiful if you understand the word to mean that there is something special about everyone. If you take it to mean what society at this particular moment in time considers to be beautiful, then no, ofcourse not everyone conforms or fits into that, but it is subjective, and changes over time. A trend and nothing more. It all depends on what you think beauty and beautiful means. This man clearly has a lot of issues.
@@QueenBee-mk8xm I think you missed completely the point of Refn. He tried to make her realize that indeed there are beautiful and ugly looking people (like himself, although I think he just looks pretty average). Trying to say "everyone is beautiful", while being a supermodel; is like saying "everyone is rich", while being a millionaire. Is there subjectivity? YES, I agree with you a hundred porcent. But there are objective predicaments in which we are born in the game of the cosmic dice.
@@Vatoxido He looks fine, but you are right. There is a _degree_ of subjectivity at play in terms of basic one-on-one interactions, but there is a general understanding of what beauty is and isn't, and this has social consequences for all with advantages and disadvantages being unevenly distributed.
thicc is the future
hells yeah thiiicccc!
THEY SHOWED THE WRONG CLIP...REFN DIDNT DIRECT THAT SHITTY PUSHER REMAKE..srry I have issues
She doesn’t have the look of a model . Or bone structure . She is pretty .
Shes hella cute
the video description says it all... "legendary cult film director" ... no need to waste time on watching a video that likely will be also feeding you exaggerated nonesense (in a shallow emotional packaging which of course totally justifies feeding you nonesense because you know... that poor women in this unjust world ts ts ts, luckily we have LEGENDS out there who shamelesly promote their movies i mean want to help those poor ladies and gentlemen...)
A great artist creates art that grows above its creator NWR does see the genius in its films. To fully grow his art must ascend his own perception otherwise he will never go beyond his ceiling that he created through his films so far. In a way its both good and bad that he recognizes the quality of his films hopefully he will outgrow himself someday.
He is not a genius/ He is talented but not that special as he thinks he is. He can learn a lot from the real genius, David Lynch, when we talk about art.
i fucking love nwr
He is an amazing person
he would say that
It's naive for Rafn to think that the problem of appearances and performance is only starting with the generation of his daughter. Before Instagram there was Madison Avenue and Guy Debord's book, The Society of The Spectacle was published way back in 1967. This interview is really cringe and Rafn is so over-rated.
whoever is genious is regarding to whoever is judging, go ahead
I found a lot of Nicolas in Me...
3:50
weird
Self pity: rejected
im glade shes said no to going thinner and being abel to see your bones. dear god that unpleasent to see
it was a challenge to show dedication or this agency needs living skeletons for some wicked horror show.
Drive was awesome. Only God Forgives was decent and had some redeeming qualities, but Neon Demon was just terrible and droned on and on. He might as well have filmed everything in slow motion. The only thing interesting about it was Keanu Reeves character being so different than his usual roles.
It's all subjectivity.
Yo tiny cups
This is a part of your childhood folks ok? If you make the Female smaller you make her a what? Child that's correct and if you make her smaller still? She isn't important. These models are abused people & or look at globally how females are treated? Sorry for the rag kids (not cryin ok?) just facts **. Alice Miller wrote ( if you look around you at that which is little or small it is usually abused somehow- in other words - ) she was a very famous child/ adult psychologist in Europe (recently deceased) Well also look at the sterility of this Mr Wind(s) film? Notice how perfect it seems to try to portray? The Nazi's were this way too they also boasted their uh fame ok? So let's double check our stiff dead wooden rulers and look around us ?
He seems so arrogant
and creepy. He wasn´t really letting her just talk and be...there was something controlling about the way he was trying to direct her....don´t have a good feeling after watching this.
@@QueenBee-mk8xmhe is socially awkward, which is quite apparent in many of his interviews. Most characters in his movies are also awkward and off, likely a result of how the world looks to him. It gives somewhat unique and artistic feel to his movies but I think it is more a result of his own circumstances than a conscious artistic choice.
Yes 😋😋😋
Yes yes 😋😋😋