Did yall noticed that Rex look like Beck. Robbie kind of idolizes Beck so maybe Robbie lives the life he actually would want through Rex since Rex also tends to be more popular than him
@@stephanfraser5325 well he's popular online and is invited to partys and stuff but from outsiders. I don't think it's ppl in the school. Or it's also just an imagination Robbie has because Beck tends to be popular
Jade's always the one abusing rex because Rex [or robbie as rex] usually says super sexist or down right rude things to her. Im just glad shes beating up the puppet and not Robbie.
@@mirandanils5114 Trina has the potential to be a killer reality tv personality, sign her up for the next mma ring of death show of the year and she’d win in a landslide.
@@cakefaceLala she’s also talented in MMA fighting. she’s skilled in karate (idk what art form of martial art i’m just assuming but i’m sure they explain it in the helen episode) 💀
I feel like saying Rex is actually a puppet, is the MORE fun theory. Cause it’s a lot more interesting if Robbie has split personalties showing through different puppets, instead of just saying that Rex is real.
especially because it implies that Robbie subconsciously has some level of omnipotence. because sometimes when Rex is left alone, when Robbie comes back and picks him up, Rex reveals details that Robbie shouldn’t be able to know because he wasn’t there. I like the idea that Rex is an extension of Robbie’s mind, but Robbie has some sort of deep psychological intuition that is almost superhuman
it does seem more fun but I’d like to make a note that “split” personalities is 1. an outdated description (DID is more modern and respectful) 2. DID doesnt behave like this the personalities do not manifest through objects they are fragments of a whole personality so they are real if rex is not real then it’d be a delusion which would mean that robbie could have schizophrenia or is schizoaffective at the least
Completely agree. Why would a mentally stable Robbie walk around with this sentient separate being who constantly bullies him? The concept that it's Robbie roasting himself through Rex is much more compelling and hilarious. We all have that negative voice in our heads.. Robbie just has taken it to another level by personalizing it.
It's revealed in one of the later seasons that Robbie's talent was actually supposed to be stand up comedy and not ventriloquism so I mean you're right about that
I want to note that “multiply personality disorder”, known more modernly as DID, is different than psychosis. If we were arguing that Robbie has psychosis, his beliefs about Rex would be more easily explained as a delusion. Rather than Rex being an alter, Robbie experiences complex delusions that he and other puppets are sentient. That could explain why he claims Rex does things without him, because he genuinely believes it despite evidence to the contrary. From a quick Wikipedia dive I’d say this would be a case of delusional companion syndrome. This is “most often identified in patients who suffer from damage to the brain due to physical trauma, neuronal degeneration or developmental abnormalities”, and focuses on comfort objects like toys. In one case, a mother who lost custody of her children experienced delusional companion syndrome with a baby doll, and even took this doll to the hospital because she was concerned for its health. With delusions like this, it is actually a bad idea to try to force the sufferer to acknowledge that their delusions arent true (or “reality check” them) because it will just cause further agitation and by the nature of a delusion, you’re not going to be able to convince them. … Anyways, that’s just an interesting tidbit if you were convinced of the psychological side. I think it is funnier to consider Rex as partially real, and less depressing, but Victorious is a weirdly depressing show overall if you think about any of the characters personally lives for too long.
I made a comment similar to this, but speaking on the side of DID , and how it’s not psychosis and validating the realness of rex as a person (not the physical puppet but that he infact does exist) is not damaging and would be helpful for someone with DID because the majority of therapy for DID is building connections between host and alter(s)
@@saphire1sababy378 For sure, that's true as well. If it was DID, I think it would still have some elements of delusion (ie, believing the puppet is real and can move on it's own), but either way acknowledging his existence wouldn't be a bad thing. Also, some of his behaviors could be explained as having a role of "persecutor" in their system.
I'm really glad to see people talking about the reality of DID, as a system myself, it was EXTREMELY painful to listen to Robbie and Rex, and DID for that matter to be explained in the way that they were, and ESPECIALLY painful to have the movie Split be brought up as an example of DID when the movie is famously known for being horribly inaccurate and a complete stigmatization of DID as a condition. I could support the idea of Rex being a persecutor in the system that would be Robbie (Robbie being used to refer to the system as a whole, as well as Robbie as the obvious host), and it is quite possible that the presence of Rex's puppet physical presentation both aligns with how Rex as an alter views himself, and acts as a physical trigger for Rex the alter to front (be present and active in the consciousness). It is also possible that Rex as an alter is an introject of Rex the puppet! It's very common for alters to be based of of real world people and objects, especially those that bring the system as a whole comfort. I say system as a whole because the entire system is an individual, just an individual who has multiple facets created by amnesic barriers that don't allow some of those facets to access certain memories (mainly memories that bring stress) to separate a host (especially in a case like Robbie where Robbie the alter and Rex the alter would be seen as co-hosts [yes, a persecutor can also be a host]) from the other alters would be like separating a head from the rest of the body. Ever alter is as part of the system and has as much ownership of the body as any other. Being a host does not indicate greater importance, nor does it make an alter more "real". Every alter is a real part of the system as an individual, and every alter has as much validity in being a part of the mind as any other! The idea of making a system believe one of their fellow headmates has died is horrific and would certainly cause more damage as it would be a traumatic experience, and DID is built on trauma. It is through repeated trauma that a system is created in the first place, and this trauma must take place before the ages of 7 to 9 as after this point, the conscious is theorized to meld into a single conscious, where as in childhood, the conscious is split! When it comes to identifying DID, always remember the defining factors: 1. Repeated trauma before the age of 7 to 9 2. Amnesiac barriers preventing the individual from remembering significant events, especially traumatic events, and especially large chunks of childhood 3. Two or more defined personalities Also remember that DID is not the only disorder that has amnesic barriers and alters. There is also OSDD and all its types which is generally a lesser case of DID where alters are less defined and amnesiac barriers are not as strong. I could give more info on these from an outsider perspective on what little I remember, but I'll respect them as something separate and allow anyone with OSDD to define them if they feel comfortable doing so! I just wanna finish up by saying, I hope he sees these comments and either takes the effort to correct his misinformation, or at least removes the segment about Robbie and Rex being parts in a DID system so that people whi don't read comments don't spread this stigmatized view of an already very stigmatized disorder. And for anyone looking to talk about "endogenic systems"... TRAUMA IS THE ONLY WAY A SYSTEM CAN FORM!! So please don't try to tell me otherwise, thank you ❤
The existence of the doll girl from Sam and Cat really helps the Rex is real debate imo. She was shown as just a doll that didnt move or anything from the viewers POV. When they took the doll to a concert the singer got mad and kicked them out cuz he said that the "creepy doll" kept showing up everywhere he went, at the end of the episode the doll became a girl. The Dan Schnieder universe had super heroes and super villains (one that even dresses up and pretends to be a baby) so a sentient doll isnt surprising.
Dan Schneider stopped so much the irl physics shows and started on superhero shows and stuff and I think the Doll girl was the start of that era however there was an episode of Zoey 101 The Curse of PCA which they went way too overboard with that episode But with Rex I think it was ventriloquism Because of episodes like Robbie sells Rex and Rex dies.
Just cause Rex *says* he's out partying the night before, doesn't mean he was actually out without Robbie. Robbie could just be really into the bit and saying that. I'm on the side of Rex being real tbh but I feel like pointing at him implying he has a life through conversation is pretty weak.
I'm on the side of Rex being real too, but honestly I was starting to be swayed more to the side of him just being a puppet because of how weak those arguments were.
Whoever came up with the idea of Robbie/Rex must have been a fan of the late 70s sitcom SOAP. That show also had a character who always went around with an eccentric puppet.
Robbie’s actual talent is just being a gateway to some sort of spirit world and Rex, while usually being a puppet, is possessed by one of those spirits whenever Robbie needs him to speak or whenever the spirit thinks it would be funniest.
I just found your channel and I’m already binging! Just wanted to let you know that the correct term for what used to be know as multiple personality disorder or split personality is Dissociative Identity Disorder, and the different ‘personalities’ and referred to as alters
I would love to see you do a video exploring cat valentine and her brother and stuff (yes IK people have done this but I like the way you dissect everything the most)
I know people hate the rex killed trina debate, but this episode just made me think Rex is a paranormal being like Chucky and why he is a psychopath. But do agree that Robbie is misyongistic and is hiding how he really feels by speaking through Rex.
Chucky was a human who used voodue to posess a doll thatx ehat haooens in the first childs play film he isnt a living doll he a soul traped in a doll because he tried to escape the police by using magic
That wasn’t until later when they introduced superhero’s so there intention of having real physics in the shows changed when Henry Danger and that stuff started. Ventriloquism is a talent intentionally for making it look like the puppet is real and there are some very clever ones out there and there is nothing in Victorious showing Robbie and Rex talking at the same time or Rex talking without Robbie holding him the scene where Rex talked when he was in the bag was because Rex was hidden and all Robbie needed to do is talk
Christopher Cane being apparently an adult with a wife having a crush on Victoria Justice who I think was a teenager at the time was super uncomfortable.
Btw multiple personality disorder is not a mental disorder. It was removed from the DSM and ICD and it was replaced with disassociated identity disorder(DID). Also DID is not a psychosis disorder. A psychosis disorder would be something like schizophrenia. A psychotic disorder is when the disorder messes with your perception of reality. DID does not change your perception of reality. Furthermore, if Robbie does have DID then he is missing a lot of the symptoms needed for a diagnosis. The only symptom he has is the appearance of multiple personalities. Robbie's symptoms align more with schizophrenia than DID.
I would enjoy a video about the flawed worldbuilding and lack of consistency in the Shniderverse, as I myself have noticed such flaws as a kid. I don't remember any, other than the "is this a fictional show within the show, or just real within the same world?" inconsistencies, but I'm sure I've seen more,
@@temmieton9755 my theory is that the events of Drake and Josh did happen in the show, but the show also exist as a show within the show as a retelling of events. Thats why Drake and Josh acknowledge the viewer at the beginning of their show and appears as a show in victorious and icarly, but the characters they played also appeared as well such as helen and crazy steave.
I think Robbie just has spilt personally or DID and Rex is just a manifestation of Robbie's supposed negative feelings, if was going to describe him he's basically Arnold Wesker/The Ventriloquist and split personality Scarface from Batman but if they were a socially awkward nerdy teenagers, hell even Robbie gotten upset when Tori damaged the Rex doll like like if Rex was a real person, just like when Wesker gotten upset when the Scarface doll got shot down gangster style back in the end of their first episode of Batman TAS. They even have nightmares about their respective spilt personalities.
A funny head cannon is that a kid Robbie got Rex as a gift or was drawn to him at a flea market and either way promised a super nerdy loser Robbie that he could make him cool and popular if they promise to be “friends forever” And that seemed like a no brainer of a deal as thanks to him Robbie got into a super cool high school by pretending he has talent by fake a “performance” with Rex but luckily he got by in school as he has talent in the nerdier side of production like lights being originally friends with Sinjin but as he’s less gross he got in with the cool kids to help with their projects and maybe regular school stuff but Rex made him think it was down to him and if he got rid of him then Robbie would be friendless But his friendships grew especially with Beck and Cat so Rex has to bully Robbie to keep him thinking he still needs him But luckily his friends do eventually show him that he’s better without Rex and they should part (Tori made it take longer though) but when Rex was gone Robbie had better luck with Cat and was happier overall and still had all his friends showing that Rex was the loser all along and couldn’t even make good on his side of deal with Robbie giving him “life” as he knows less than Robbie about girls and what’s “cool”
18:48 this could be seen as evidence of Rex being a real boy, but it's even funnier if you look at it through the multiple personalities theory because then it means that either Robbie occasionally enters a fugue state where he drew a hickey on Rex or Rex berated and ordered Robbie to do it and then intimidated him into pretending that it's real
There is a mandela effect where people remember an episode where rex and Robbie meet when Robbie is 9 he goes into a saloon on holiday and when he's waiting for his lollipop he starts talking to rex and the bartender says that Robbie got him to talk and that he hasn't talked since his last owner left him here. Then Robbie takes rex home and has had him ever since. I've looked for the original episode but no where has it so I think it's a mandela effect
I see where you are coming from but I do feel that some of your points could just be because of Robbie wanting Rex to feel more real. For example, Robbie could just be saying that Rex has plans to make it seem like he has his own life. Robbie could have put Rex in Tori’s bag and made up the scenario of finding him. He could have just been fake sneezing for Rex. All of this could have just been made up within Robbie’s mind to make it more real to him. Maybe Rex does meet up with the girls or rly did sneak into the bag, I haven’t watched the show in a while, but that’s how I see it. Sorry if there’s any typos
I don’t know if I’m overanalyzing this but for the interview portion, I’ve never watched the icarly version but I have seen the victorious version. Some people would say that Robbie is Dans self insert since he is pervy and creepy. So it wouldn’t be surprising that Rex would be the same since Robbie is the voice of Rex. Rex has a disdain for Jerry Trainor, which aligns with Dan as well. Jerry would always protect the icarly kids and get in the way of Dans perverted actions make his self insert and Jerry hate one another. Idk it’s all so weird. Also the fact that Rex is in love with Victoria Justice, which aligns with Dan as well because he might have thought that Vic would be making it big and he had an infatuation with all of the girls on set.
That's actually not a bad take on it. It's true Dan never misses the opportunity to project his repressed perversion and emotions in his shows, no better way than to project it all into the manifestation of a singular character. And it's okay to overanalyze, it is greatly appreciated
I mean the idea that Robbie is just insane and has a puppet with whom he expresses his personality disorder is ultimately more funny then just a regular speaking puppet. Imagine there is a guy in school who is just insane and talks with his puppet all day and thinks it is an actual person. That would be pretty funny.
Ngl- what if Rex decides to appear not real to everyone but Robbie to mess up Robbie even more? Like, “now everyone thinks you’re a loser AND insane”?? Definitely giving Robbie a harder time- as well as the whole “getting injured” thing- Rex knows Robbie cares about him, he could definitely play along with playing dead and what not, fully aware of the mentality of Robbie but also slightly aware of Tori, Cat, whoever- knowing Tori isn’t cruel enough to hurt Robbie by letting Rex “stay dead”, etc THAT seems like it makes the most sense, at least to me :))
the thing is tho the universe the show rakes place in allready had a shapeshifting doll girl and has super humans posessed evil dolls ecist in that world and thats factual
I went to a magic camp for young magicians. There was a guy who was 16 or 17 who carried around a puppet and constantly did ventriloquism with it. Everybody just sorta played along with it, so it kinda makes sense.
i just want to say that for theory 1, Robbie wouldn’t have DID or formally known as “split personality disorder” he would have schizophrenia. This is because Robbie has hallucinations when not having Rex. Because people with DID, for one, don’t develop fully formed alters until their 30’s. also they don’t perceive their alters through inanimate objects.
I agree for the most part with your comment, but where did you get the "alters can't fully developed until your in your 30's"? Everywhere I've looked it's saying it's different for every system, not to mention some have even claimed alters have come out fully formed before /gq /npa
Hey, thanks for the amazing video, I'm a huge Cabbie shipper so I would love to see an analysis of the interesting, weird but often wholesome relationship of Cat and Robbie as I ship them way more than Beck and Jade.
I always thought that Rex was just a physical outlet for Robbie's schizophrenic second personality. That's why Robbie was like half dead without Rex: Because they are one soul.
Idk, if rex is part of Robbie as an identity then it’s important that he’s able to communicate with rex and that rex is treated as a person, but if it’s psychosis that’s completely different- an imaginary person from a psychotic belief is very very different than a split personality- the treatments are very different too because DID and split personalities are actually all one person who’s brain wasn’t able to make the proper connections in childhood due to trauma, psychotic hallucinations is the brain malfunctioning and receiving improper signals- You heal from psychosis with medication for the most part, DID on the other hand is healed by building connections between the personalities
I have a cool head cannon for Robbie. Basically he was bullied, hard, throughout school. Possibly by women primarily hence his misogyny. But either way he figured out the way to get the bullying to stop was to beat them to the punch, self deprecating humor so they were laughing with him not at him. Rex became his way to tell the jokes, and he essentially became a court Jester making the royals laugh and when he wasn’t funny he was back to the bullying. So Rex became a self defense mechanism, hence why he always panics whenever Rex isn’t at his side, and it got to the point that Robbie wasn’t even thinking about the things he made Rex said. Hence why he’ll sometimes seemed shocked at what Rex says or does, or even talk to Rex when no one else is around. Since to an extent he can talk to Rex, having a full conversation a bit.
I have a visual memory of that knockoff Twitter transition screen where Beck makes a post talking about Rex, which mentions that Beck thinks Rex is a republican. That's when it all fell into place for me.
Actually I used to think that Rex was a separate entity, and he didn’t come from Robbie’s imagination, how ever Robbie was the only one who could actually speak with him through idk like mind waves or something, so though Robbie is ventriloquist-ing (pardon my English) for Rex it’s a way of Robbie basically translating Rex’s thoughts for others to hear..
Rex represents who Robbie wishes he was. The reason Rex is mean to Robbie is because Robbie is insecure about himself and uses Rex as a way berate himself. So when red insults Robbe, it's really Robbie's ideal self berating his true self.
My personal belief is a combination of the DID and the Alive version. Personally, I think that Robbie has a kind of latent knowledge or ability, whether he is aware of it or not, that brought Rex to life as an outside voice for Robbie's other main/most prevalent personality. Scenes where Rex is 'not real' are sort of like those parts where an alter is not present in the front/cofronting. The alter was out, so on some level, and on some occasions, Robbie was partially controlling Rex. But most of the time, it was the alter, Rex, possessing/controlling the puppet. Also, when Rex is 'off on his own', such as in the party example, or Rex making other plans, this could refer to other alters in the system, whether Robbie is aware that they are there or not. Perhaps Robbie doesn't know about the alters, and does think Rex is going out, but really, Rex is just going to move the puppet body and then have a night with another alter in the mind space. Or maybe Robbie does know, and is just peeved that Rex wants to hang out with other alters instead of him. As for Rex showing up less and less, I see this to mean that either Rex was a protective alter, and was needed less and less to shield Robbie, or Robbie's alter used to be a little, maybe a bit older of a little, like 10-11, and Rex was, still a protective alter, watching over him. But then the alter of Robbie grew up, either all at once or gradually, and Rex just wasn't needed to protect him.
0:54 I just discovered your channel today and watched a few vids. Love the work you put into these. I just started this video. Less than 1 min in and I’m immediately reminded of professional ventriloquists who say that they consider their dummy or puppet real. Candace Bergen was a famous actress who played Murphy Brown in the 1990’s. Her father was a famous ventriloquist in the 1950’s and his puppet was treated as a member of their family. It had its own room and a seat at the table during mealtimes. The puppet was effectively her little brother. Performers will sometimes say that when they’re on stage with the puppet, and it’s time for them to change their voice to speak as the puppet, the ventriloquist will forget and just stare at the puppet waiting for it, the puppet, to talk and say it’s line. The ventriloquist will forget they’re just a doll and they speak for them. So weird. 🫢
The vast majority of people prioritize unimportant and useless things if you hadn't noticed, at least you acknowledge the fact, thats respectable, you don't/can't have/do anything particularly helpful (which is untrue for all bigger youtubes for example yet they choose to not use their influence to help except a select few) so you make this, that makes logical sense, unlike the hundreds of millions to billions of people who focus on unimportant/useless things yet have the wealth influence or general power to do something about it, for example I have none of the 3 so I can only hope for an opportunity to arise
It’s always interesting to hear the original voices of something you watched as a kid. Rex sounds so weird. If Rex is an actor, then both are just right. Because he’s both alive as an actor, but also playing a doll on the show
Maybe rex is a parasite that feeds off Robbie's mind to power his own brain. That's why he only moves and talks independently when Robbie's hand is in him
This is kind of a mandela effect comment but does anyone else remember Rex being named "Fritz" during the early episodes/first season of the show? I grew up watching Victorious and I knew the character as Fritz for years until I saw one episode where everyone just randomly started calling him Rex... and then never switched back.
I will say this, though I appreciate the idea of this video, I recommend researching dissociative identity disorder before speaking of it. It’s one of the most stigmatized disorders, thanks to films like Split, so it’s important when talking about it to not spread misinformation.
there is kind of depression where depressed person makes fun of themselves (sometimes saying really rude or hurtful things about themselves), in order to seem fun
“Rules of the world” as you called it is more commonly known as “willing suspension of disbelief”! Where it’s assumed you are aware that what is happening before you is unlikely and or impossible, however, for the sake of the story, you feed into and believe it, if only in the context of the story being presented.
"multiple personality disorder" hasn't been an accepted term for over a decade, due to its ambiguity and similarity to the personality disorders. Dissociative identity disorder (DID) much better encapsulates the experience because it has to do with dissociation.
I’m pretty sure it’s cannon that Rex is his own entity. Remember that time when he was sat down on the floor and he moved on his own? Robbie wasn’t around and no one was touching him
My theory is, if we do the all the shows are connected theory, that Robbie has a superpower. Since shows like henry danger and the thundermans exist i like to imagine that Robbie's power is that whenever he puts his hand in a puppet it becomes sentient but because he is in one of the normal shows everyone just thinks he's crazy.
Did yall noticed that Rex look like Beck. Robbie kind of idolizes Beck so maybe Robbie lives the life he actually would want through Rex since Rex also tends to be more popular than him
I think youre on to something
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Disagree about Rex being more popular, he's really not if you watch the show
@@stephanfraser5325 well he's popular online and is invited to partys and stuff but from outsiders. I don't think it's ppl in the school. Or it's also just an imagination Robbie has because Beck tends to be popular
Jade's always the one abusing rex because Rex [or robbie as rex] usually says super sexist or down right rude things to her. Im just glad shes beating up the puppet and not Robbie.
i love how everyone hits rex instead of robbie every time
@@StarLightGemthey need to hit him bc he just use rex as way to be creepy
@@nadiaexisting1531 Fake fan spotted‼️
@@nadiaexisting1531 Fake fan spotted‼️
@slendernibble5162 how are they a fake fan for thinking that? genuine question
So, Robbie is commercializing the fact that no one believes Rex is alive. Simple. He's actually a mastermind that wanted to attend a renowned school
He was really good with production and stage work tho, I'd like to think they all had some kind of talent (except trina ofc)
@@mirandanils5114 Trina has the potential to be a killer reality tv personality, sign her up for the next mma ring of death show of the year and she’d win in a landslide.
@@cakefaceLala she’s also talented in MMA fighting. she’s skilled in karate (idk what art form of martial art i’m just assuming but i’m sure they explain it in the helen episode) 💀
I feel like saying Rex is actually a puppet, is the MORE fun theory. Cause it’s a lot more interesting if Robbie has split personalties showing through different puppets, instead of just saying that Rex is real.
Yes although the way this creator explained it is rather unfortunate
especially because it implies that Robbie subconsciously has some level of omnipotence. because sometimes when Rex is left alone, when Robbie comes back and picks him up, Rex reveals details that Robbie shouldn’t be able to know because he wasn’t there. I like the idea that Rex is an extension of Robbie’s mind, but Robbie has some sort of deep psychological intuition that is almost superhuman
it does seem more fun but I’d like to make a note that “split” personalities is 1. an outdated description (DID is more modern and respectful) 2. DID doesnt behave like this the personalities do not manifest through objects they are fragments of a whole personality so they are real if rex is not real then it’d be a delusion which would mean that robbie could have schizophrenia or is schizoaffective at the least
@@Jay-py5wdyup, like voicing him through a backpack that he shouldn't have know rex was inside(how he got there is another matter, but yeah).
Completely agree. Why would a mentally stable Robbie walk around with this sentient separate being who constantly bullies him? The concept that it's Robbie roasting himself through Rex is much more compelling and hilarious. We all have that negative voice in our heads.. Robbie just has taken it to another level by personalizing it.
It's revealed in one of the later seasons that Robbie's talent was actually supposed to be stand up comedy and not ventriloquism so I mean you're right about that
I want to note that “multiply personality disorder”, known more modernly as DID, is different than psychosis. If we were arguing that Robbie has psychosis, his beliefs about Rex would be more easily explained as a delusion. Rather than Rex being an alter, Robbie experiences complex delusions that he and other puppets are sentient. That could explain why he claims Rex does things without him, because he genuinely believes it despite evidence to the contrary.
From a quick Wikipedia dive I’d say this would be a case of delusional companion syndrome. This is “most often identified in patients who suffer from damage to the brain due to physical trauma, neuronal degeneration or developmental abnormalities”, and focuses on comfort objects like toys. In one case, a mother who lost custody of her children experienced delusional companion syndrome with a baby doll, and even took this doll to the hospital because she was concerned for its health.
With delusions like this, it is actually a bad idea to try to force the sufferer to acknowledge that their delusions arent true (or “reality check” them) because it will just cause further agitation and by the nature of a delusion, you’re not going to be able to convince them.
… Anyways, that’s just an interesting tidbit if you were convinced of the psychological side. I think it is funnier to consider Rex as partially real, and less depressing, but Victorious is a weirdly depressing show overall if you think about any of the characters personally lives for too long.
Thank you for the explanation behind the disorder. I really do think that Rex is Robbie, and I feel like it’s more interesting that way.
I made a comment similar to this, but speaking on the side of DID , and how it’s not psychosis and validating the realness of rex as a person (not the physical puppet but that he infact does exist) is not damaging and would be helpful for someone with DID because the majority of therapy for DID is building connections between host and alter(s)
@@saphire1sababy378 For sure, that's true as well. If it was DID, I think it would still have some elements of delusion (ie, believing the puppet is real and can move on it's own), but either way acknowledging his existence wouldn't be a bad thing. Also, some of his behaviors could be explained as having a role of "persecutor" in their system.
I'm really glad to see people talking about the reality of DID, as a system myself, it was EXTREMELY painful to listen to Robbie and Rex, and DID for that matter to be explained in the way that they were, and ESPECIALLY painful to have the movie Split be brought up as an example of DID when the movie is famously known for being horribly inaccurate and a complete stigmatization of DID as a condition. I could support the idea of Rex being a persecutor in the system that would be Robbie (Robbie being used to refer to the system as a whole, as well as Robbie as the obvious host), and it is quite possible that the presence of Rex's puppet physical presentation both aligns with how Rex as an alter views himself, and acts as a physical trigger for Rex the alter to front (be present and active in the consciousness). It is also possible that Rex as an alter is an introject of Rex the puppet! It's very common for alters to be based of of real world people and objects, especially those that bring the system as a whole comfort. I say system as a whole because the entire system is an individual, just an individual who has multiple facets created by amnesic barriers that don't allow some of those facets to access certain memories (mainly memories that bring stress) to separate a host (especially in a case like Robbie where Robbie the alter and Rex the alter would be seen as co-hosts [yes, a persecutor can also be a host]) from the other alters would be like separating a head from the rest of the body. Ever alter is as part of the system and has as much ownership of the body as any other. Being a host does not indicate greater importance, nor does it make an alter more "real". Every alter is a real part of the system as an individual, and every alter has as much validity in being a part of the mind as any other! The idea of making a system believe one of their fellow headmates has died is horrific and would certainly cause more damage as it would be a traumatic experience, and DID is built on trauma. It is through repeated trauma that a system is created in the first place, and this trauma must take place before the ages of 7 to 9 as after this point, the conscious is theorized to meld into a single conscious, where as in childhood, the conscious is split! When it comes to identifying DID, always remember the defining factors:
1. Repeated trauma before the age of 7 to 9
2. Amnesiac barriers preventing the individual from remembering significant events, especially traumatic events, and especially large chunks of childhood
3. Two or more defined personalities
Also remember that DID is not the only disorder that has amnesic barriers and alters. There is also OSDD and all its types which is generally a lesser case of DID where alters are less defined and amnesiac barriers are not as strong. I could give more info on these from an outsider perspective on what little I remember, but I'll respect them as something separate and allow anyone with OSDD to define them if they feel comfortable doing so!
I just wanna finish up by saying, I hope he sees these comments and either takes the effort to correct his misinformation, or at least removes the segment about Robbie and Rex being parts in a DID system so that people whi don't read comments don't spread this stigmatized view of an already very stigmatized disorder.
And for anyone looking to talk about "endogenic systems"... TRAUMA IS THE ONLY WAY A SYSTEM CAN FORM!! So please don't try to tell me otherwise, thank you ❤
I was so prepared for Rex and Robbie talking at the same time being mentioned and then it never happened ?? 😭
Did they ever really tho? Really good ventroquilists can make their voice appear to overlap for a second, and Robbie obviously is
When did that happen?
The existence of the doll girl from Sam and Cat really helps the Rex is real debate imo. She was shown as just a doll that didnt move or anything from the viewers POV. When they took the doll to a concert the singer got mad and kicked them out cuz he said that the "creepy doll" kept showing up everywhere he went, at the end of the episode the doll became a girl. The Dan Schnieder universe had super heroes and super villains (one that even dresses up and pretends to be a baby) so a sentient doll isnt surprising.
omggg You unlocked my memories with that episode it was my favorite oneee
Dan Schneider stopped so much the irl physics shows and started on superhero shows and stuff and I think the Doll girl was the start of that era however there was an episode of Zoey 101 The Curse of PCA which they went way too overboard with that episode
But with Rex I think it was ventriloquism Because of episodes like Robbie sells Rex and Rex dies.
Early Rex was scary af
onmms 😭
His head was just as big as Robbie's
Demon eyes fr
Terrified me as a kid
Did you hear his og voice
We need one on Tori’s parents too!
Yess totally
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They hated them kids 😅😂😂
YAS
I was so confused first reading this like when did Tori’s parents turn into puppets
I can't get over the fact you sighted the wii game as a source for rex being real 💀
(cited) but omfg right 😭😭
Yeah bro it's cited.
The Rex being a "puppet" is simply debunked by the fact that he's either bored or unconscious.
Just cause Rex *says* he's out partying the night before, doesn't mean he was actually out without Robbie. Robbie could just be really into the bit and saying that.
I'm on the side of Rex being real tbh but I feel like pointing at him implying he has a life through conversation is pretty weak.
I'm on the side of Rex being real too, but honestly I was starting to be swayed more to the side of him just being a puppet because of how weak those arguments were.
I mean didn’t he seem to actually know the north ridge girls and such?
@@kingofgrim4761 oh trueee
Whoever came up with the idea of Robbie/Rex must have been a fan of the late 70s sitcom SOAP. That show also had a character who always went around with an eccentric puppet.
Nick shows have plenty of references to older sitcoms
i love the idea that rex is a puppet and an extention of robbie. i think it makes robbie so much more interesting and flushed out as a character
It also means robbie has superpowers because he knows stuff that only rex was there to see
it's "fleshed" out
Robbie’s actual talent is just being a gateway to some sort of spirit world and Rex, while usually being a puppet, is possessed by one of those spirits whenever Robbie needs him to speak or whenever the spirit thinks it would be funniest.
I just found your channel and I’m already binging! Just wanted to let you know that the correct term for what used to be know as multiple personality disorder or split personality is Dissociative Identity Disorder, and the different ‘personalities’ and referred to as alters
Was just about to comment this
I would love to see you do a video exploring cat valentine and her brother and stuff (yes IK people have done this but I like the way you dissect everything the most)
I know people hate the rex killed trina debate, but this episode just made me think Rex is a paranormal being like Chucky and why he is a psychopath.
But do agree that Robbie is misyongistic and is hiding how he really feels by speaking through Rex.
Chucky was a human who used voodue to posess a doll thatx ehat haooens in the first childs play film he isnt a living doll he a soul traped in a doll because he tried to escape the police by using magic
@@demonic_myst4503 ok.
Can we make that another theory. There is an evil soul inside rex? Because that is another possibility.
I've always considered that Rex is alive. Especially since super heroes are canon in the universe.
That wasn’t until later when they introduced superhero’s so there intention of having real physics in the shows changed when Henry Danger and that stuff started.
Ventriloquism is a talent intentionally for making it look like the puppet is real and there are some very clever ones out there and there is nothing in Victorious showing Robbie and Rex talking at the same time or Rex talking without Robbie holding him the scene where Rex talked when he was in the bag was because Rex was hidden and all Robbie needed to do is talk
Christopher Cane being apparently an adult with a wife having a crush on Victoria Justice who I think was a teenager at the time was super uncomfortable.
Dan Schneider self insert 😭
@@alicenikolai SO. WAS. SPENCER.
Well now that we know about Dan & Peck that explains everything
@@nastehdawgjerry trainor protected the kids
@@nastehdawg yeah, Spencer is how Dan sees himself, Sinjin is probably how he comes off
Btw multiple personality disorder is not a mental disorder. It was removed from the DSM and ICD and it was replaced with disassociated identity disorder(DID). Also DID is not a psychosis disorder. A psychosis disorder would be something like schizophrenia. A psychotic disorder is when the disorder messes with your perception of reality. DID does not change your perception of reality. Furthermore, if Robbie does have DID then he is missing a lot of the symptoms needed for a diagnosis. The only symptom he has is the appearance of multiple personalities. Robbie's symptoms align more with schizophrenia than DID.
I would enjoy a video about the flawed worldbuilding and lack of consistency in the Shniderverse, as I myself have noticed such flaws as a kid.
I don't remember any, other than the "is this a fictional show within the show, or just real within the same world?" inconsistencies, but I'm sure I've seen more,
The two things I know is that:
ICarly and Victorious share a universe
Drake and Josh are confirmed to be a show within the shows too.
@@temmieton9755 my theory is that the events of Drake and Josh did happen in the show, but the show also exist as a show within the show as a retelling of events. Thats why Drake and Josh acknowledge the viewer at the beginning of their show and appears as a show in victorious and icarly, but the characters they played also appeared as well such as helen and crazy steave.
I think Robbie just has spilt personally or DID and Rex is just a manifestation of Robbie's supposed negative feelings, if was going to describe him he's basically Arnold Wesker/The Ventriloquist and split personality Scarface from Batman but if they were a socially awkward nerdy teenagers, hell even Robbie gotten upset when Tori damaged the Rex doll like like if Rex was a real person, just like when Wesker gotten upset when the Scarface doll got shot down gangster style back in the end of their first episode of Batman TAS. They even have nightmares about their respective spilt personalities.
A funny head cannon is that a kid Robbie got Rex as a gift or was drawn to him at a flea market and either way promised a super nerdy loser Robbie that he could make him cool and popular if they promise to be “friends forever”
And that seemed like a no brainer of a deal as thanks to him Robbie got into a super cool high school by pretending he has talent by fake a “performance” with Rex but luckily he got by in school as he has talent in the nerdier side of production like lights being originally friends with Sinjin but as he’s less gross he got in with the cool kids to help with their projects and maybe regular school stuff but Rex made him think it was down to him and if he got rid of him then Robbie would be friendless
But his friendships grew especially with Beck and Cat so Rex has to bully Robbie to keep him thinking he still needs him
But luckily his friends do eventually show him that he’s better without Rex and they should part (Tori made it take longer though) but when Rex was gone Robbie had better luck with Cat and was happier overall and still had all his friends showing that Rex was the loser all along and couldn’t even make good on his side of deal with Robbie giving him “life” as he knows less than Robbie about girls and what’s “cool”
i wonder if there was a "rule" in the writer's room about rex being alive or a puppet, or if the rule was just "whatever is funnier for the episode"
18:48 this could be seen as evidence of Rex being a real boy, but it's even funnier if you look at it through the multiple personalities theory because then it means that either Robbie occasionally enters a fugue state where he drew a hickey on Rex or Rex berated and ordered Robbie to do it and then intimidated him into pretending that it's real
There is a mandela effect where people remember an episode where rex and Robbie meet when Robbie is 9 he goes into a saloon on holiday and when he's waiting for his lollipop he starts talking to rex and the bartender says that Robbie got him to talk and that he hasn't talked since his last owner left him here. Then Robbie takes rex home and has had him ever since. I've looked for the original episode but no where has it so I think it's a mandela effect
I see where you are coming from but I do feel that some of your points could just be because of Robbie wanting Rex to feel more real. For example, Robbie could just be saying that Rex has plans to make it seem like he has his own life. Robbie could have put Rex in Tori’s bag and made up the scenario of finding him. He could have just been fake sneezing for Rex. All of this could have just been made up within Robbie’s mind to make it more real to him.
Maybe Rex does meet up with the girls or rly did sneak into the bag, I haven’t watched the show in a while, but that’s how I see it.
Sorry if there’s any typos
I don’t know if I’m overanalyzing this but for the interview portion, I’ve never watched the icarly version but I have seen the victorious version. Some people would say that Robbie is Dans self insert since he is pervy and creepy. So it wouldn’t be surprising that Rex would be the same since Robbie is the voice of Rex. Rex has a disdain for Jerry Trainor, which aligns with Dan as well. Jerry would always protect the icarly kids and get in the way of Dans perverted actions make his self insert and Jerry hate one another. Idk it’s all so weird. Also the fact that Rex is in love with Victoria Justice, which aligns with Dan as well because he might have thought that Vic would be making it big and he had an infatuation with all of the girls on set.
That's actually not a bad take on it. It's true Dan never misses the opportunity to project his repressed perversion and emotions in his shows, no better way than to project it all into the manifestation of a singular character.
And it's okay to overanalyze, it is greatly appreciated
I mean the idea that Robbie is just insane and has a puppet with whom he expresses his personality disorder is ultimately more funny then just a regular speaking puppet. Imagine there is a guy in school who is just insane and talks with his puppet all day and thinks it is an actual person. That would be pretty funny.
What happened to him after victorious? Did he get abandoned and someone found him or was he placed in the Nickelodeon museum of pops?
Wym? He made a three episode docuseries about his failed rap career and later his dedication to charity. Rex is a real inspiration to us all.
@@ViJones-mn3pn oh thank you for letting me know man
@@ViJones-mn3pn Do you know the name of this movie? Please tell me
Ngl- what if Rex decides to appear not real to everyone but Robbie to mess up Robbie even more? Like, “now everyone thinks you’re a loser AND insane”?? Definitely giving Robbie a harder time- as well as the whole “getting injured” thing- Rex knows Robbie cares about him, he could definitely play along with playing dead and what not, fully aware of the mentality of Robbie but also slightly aware of Tori, Cat, whoever- knowing Tori isn’t cruel enough to hurt Robbie by letting Rex “stay dead”, etc
THAT seems like it makes the most sense, at least to me :))
The thing about Rex is you can see Robbie’s mouth move even when Rex is put down he’s just a creep with a puppet.
the thing is tho the universe the show rakes place in allready had a shapeshifting doll girl and has super humans posessed evil dolls ecist in that world and thats factual
I went to a magic camp for young magicians. There was a guy who was 16 or 17 who carried around a puppet and constantly did ventriloquism with it. Everybody just sorta played along with it, so it kinda makes sense.
i just want to say that for theory 1, Robbie wouldn’t have DID or formally known as “split personality disorder” he would have schizophrenia. This is because Robbie has hallucinations when not having Rex. Because people with DID, for one, don’t develop fully formed alters until their 30’s. also they don’t perceive their alters through inanimate objects.
I agree for the most part with your comment, but where did you get the "alters can't fully developed until your in your 30's"? Everywhere I've looked it's saying it's different for every system, not to mention some have even claimed alters have come out fully formed before /gq /npa
Hey, thanks for the amazing video, I'm a huge Cabbie shipper so I would love to see an analysis of the interesting, weird but often wholesome relationship of Cat and Robbie as I ship them way more than Beck and Jade.
I always thought that Rex was just a physical outlet for Robbie's schizophrenic second personality. That's why Robbie was like half dead without Rex: Because they are one soul.
Idk, if rex is part of Robbie as an identity then it’s important that he’s able to communicate with rex and that rex is treated as a person, but if it’s psychosis that’s completely different- an imaginary person from a psychotic belief is very very different than a split personality- the treatments are very different too because DID and split personalities are actually all one person who’s brain wasn’t able to make the proper connections in childhood due to trauma, psychotic hallucinations is the brain malfunctioning and receiving improper signals-
You heal from psychosis with medication for the most part, DID on the other hand is healed by building connections between the personalities
The times that Rex was without Robbie could very easily be that Robbie's body was there, but he was dissociating entirely while only Rex was active.
Cat's Brother please
Reupload and we will be rewatching fuck youtube copyright
I can’t wait for the Schneiderverse video
I’m excited to watch this, Robbie was my favorite character!
now i wanna do an in-depth analysis/phycological diagnosis on robbie😭
I've been waiting for someone to make this video for so long ! thank you
I have a cool head cannon for Robbie.
Basically he was bullied, hard, throughout school. Possibly by women primarily hence his misogyny. But either way he figured out the way to get the bullying to stop was to beat them to the punch, self deprecating humor so they were laughing with him not at him. Rex became his way to tell the jokes, and he essentially became a court Jester making the royals laugh and when he wasn’t funny he was back to the bullying. So Rex became a self defense mechanism, hence why he always panics whenever Rex isn’t at his side, and it got to the point that Robbie wasn’t even thinking about the things he made Rex said. Hence why he’ll sometimes seemed shocked at what Rex says or does, or even talk to Rex when no one else is around. Since to an extent he can talk to Rex, having a full conversation a bit.
I cackled so hard when you went off at the end! That made my week 😂
Are you from the Caribbean? Some of your pronunciations are reminiscent of how my family speaks (we’re Jamaican) and my Bahamian friend too!
31:20 is when i knew i had to like and subscribe
just subbed, this guy is amazing.
I think that Rex is just a separate entity from Rex who sometimes acts like a p-word in order not to raise suspicions
Rex is a physical representation of Robbie's compartmentalized toxic masculinity/homophobia he was surrounded by as a child.
I have a visual memory of that knockoff Twitter transition screen where Beck makes a post talking about Rex, which mentions that Beck thinks Rex is a republican.
That's when it all fell into place for me.
Can you do a video about the parents from Disney's Jessie? They were terrible parents tbh
thinking about the 18 hour voctorious videos again.....
Love the video. Desperately wish you blurred out that snot scene oh my gosh my eyes. 😭
I love it when ventriloquist characters are addressed as plural
25:22 so this is how I found out Christopher cane doesn’t actually exist?
Actually I used to think that Rex was a separate entity, and he didn’t come from Robbie’s imagination, how ever Robbie was the only one who could actually speak with him through idk like mind waves or something, so though Robbie is ventriloquist-ing (pardon my English) for Rex it’s a way of Robbie basically translating Rex’s thoughts for others to hear..
oh yes, Schrödinger’s Rex
Rex represents who Robbie wishes he was. The reason Rex is mean to Robbie is because Robbie is insecure about himself and uses Rex as a way berate himself. So when red insults Robbe, it's really Robbie's ideal self berating his true self.
honestly, he's like a less evil Slappy from Goosebumps
My personal belief is a combination of the DID and the Alive version. Personally, I think that Robbie has a kind of latent knowledge or ability, whether he is aware of it or not, that brought Rex to life as an outside voice for Robbie's other main/most prevalent personality.
Scenes where Rex is 'not real' are sort of like those parts where an alter is not present in the front/cofronting. The alter was out, so on some level, and on some occasions, Robbie was partially controlling Rex. But most of the time, it was the alter, Rex, possessing/controlling the puppet.
Also, when Rex is 'off on his own', such as in the party example, or Rex making other plans, this could refer to other alters in the system, whether Robbie is aware that they are there or not. Perhaps Robbie doesn't know about the alters, and does think Rex is going out, but really, Rex is just going to move the puppet body and then have a night with another alter in the mind space. Or maybe Robbie does know, and is just peeved that Rex wants to hang out with other alters instead of him.
As for Rex showing up less and less, I see this to mean that either Rex was a protective alter, and was needed less and less to shield Robbie, or Robbie's alter used to be a little, maybe a bit older of a little, like 10-11, and Rex was, still a protective alter, watching over him. But then the alter of Robbie grew up, either all at once or gradually, and Rex just wasn't needed to protect him.
Considering that superheroes exist in this world, Rex actually being alive wouldn’t be that out there
Great video, keep up the great work
Thanks!
this is the best video essay ive ever seen.
The first option is if it was in our world the second it's in victorius universe
It's definitely a lot more dark and interesting if Rex was just a puppet.
I think Robby is my favourite Tally Hall member
That ending had me dying 😂😂
0:54 I just discovered your channel today and watched a few vids. Love the work you put into these. I just started this video. Less than 1 min in and I’m immediately reminded of professional ventriloquists who say that they consider their dummy or puppet real.
Candace Bergen was a famous actress who played Murphy Brown in the 1990’s. Her father was a famous ventriloquist in the 1950’s and his puppet was treated as a member of their family. It had its own room and a seat at the table during mealtimes. The puppet was effectively her little brother.
Performers will sometimes say that when they’re on stage with the puppet, and it’s time for them to change their voice to speak as the puppet, the ventriloquist will forget and just stare at the puppet waiting for it, the puppet, to talk and say it’s line. The ventriloquist will forget they’re just a doll and they speak for them. So weird. 🫢
The vast majority of people prioritize unimportant and useless things if you hadn't noticed, at least you acknowledge the fact, thats respectable, you don't/can't have/do anything particularly helpful (which is untrue for all bigger youtubes for example yet they choose to not use their influence to help except a select few) so you make this, that makes logical sense, unlike the hundreds of millions to billions of people who focus on unimportant/useless things yet have the wealth influence or general power to do something about it, for example I have none of the 3 so I can only hope for an opportunity to arise
My dad said that Robbie might have mental problems. But he is still my favourite.
I like the psychosis arc better than Rex existing because while it’s not an accurate description, it gives Robbie more depth
I watched all of Quinton Review's iCarly miniseries, I am very over prepared
I can’t remember the actors name but that’s not a puppet. That’s an actual person, he hosts the clip show episodes.
WHATTTT…. Matt isn’t the voice of Rex?!
Okay now I’m heartbroken and shaken
I love the rex dies part on this video on here today
It’s always interesting to hear the original voices of something you watched as a kid. Rex sounds so weird.
If Rex is an actor, then both are just right. Because he’s both alive as an actor, but also playing a doll on the show
31:51 ok so Ik you were saying just kidding to everything you just said or r u kidding about thinking Rex is real cuz I got confused LMAOO
Maybe rex is a parasite that feeds off Robbie's mind to power his own brain. That's why he only moves and talks independently when Robbie's hand is in him
This is kind of a mandela effect comment but does anyone else remember Rex being named "Fritz" during the early episodes/first season of the show? I grew up watching Victorious and I knew the character as Fritz for years until I saw one episode where everyone just randomly started calling him Rex... and then never switched back.
"but this doesn't happen on camera, except when it does." Wow...
I quote “YOU DONT KNOW WHAT I GOT!” all the time still 😂
I will say this, though I appreciate the idea of this video, I recommend researching dissociative identity disorder before speaking of it. It’s one of the most stigmatized disorders, thanks to films like Split, so it’s important when talking about it to not spread misinformation.
there is kind of depression where depressed person makes fun of themselves (sometimes saying really rude or hurtful things about themselves), in order to seem fun
Cat as rex was truly one of the most troubling things ive seen in a while
“Rules of the world” as you called it is more commonly known as “willing suspension of disbelief”! Where it’s assumed you are aware that what is happening before you is unlikely and or impossible, however, for the sake of the story, you feed into and believe it, if only in the context of the story being presented.
i literally died laughing at the end when you said that whole schpiel about why you’re right LOLL i love it
"multiple personality disorder" hasn't been an accepted term for over a decade, due to its ambiguity and similarity to the personality disorders. Dissociative identity disorder (DID) much better encapsulates the experience because it has to do with dissociation.
Couldn't it be both like a split personality that became a own being similar to Diavolo in JoJo
Trying to diagnose this character with something like DID feels real icky to me...
I’m pretty sure it’s cannon that Rex is his own entity. Remember that time when he was sat down on the floor and he moved on his own? Robbie wasn’t around and no one was touching him
What if Ricks and Plank meet each other!?
We need a show about the alternate universe, where Rex actually "dies" and Robbie copes with his grief
the video title would kill a victorian child lmao
Imagine if Rex's "death" stuck and Robbie was plagued by hallucinations for the rest of the show
Wonderland mention- goodbye Diana lives in my mind
Best video outro I've ever seen😂
My theory is, if we do the all the shows are connected theory, that Robbie has a superpower. Since shows like henry danger and the thundermans exist i like to imagine that Robbie's power is that whenever he puts his hand in a puppet it becomes sentient but because he is in one of the normal shows everyone just thinks he's crazy.