If anyone watching this would like some more seriously high quality information about Carthage, I HIGHLY recommend The Fall Of Civilisations episode 17 Carthage Empire of the Phoenecians .. Absolutely brilliant. Its on RUclips and so worthwhile ❤ the whole series is genius.
Thanks for my ancient civilization related information. But sir! Does anyone know where can i find this book in pdf? What's name of the book (Carthage : Traders and Writers)?
Great video! You have honored the Lebanese people, Phoenicians, the founders, and ancestors of Carthage! Great job on showing the influence and legacy of our tiny nation.
A highly enjoyable documentary with actual accurate historical information. Shame about the ridiculous incidental music, though - this is a real example of how inappropriate music over a documentary really affects its quality. The comedy music does this no favours! A small observation, (or gripe if you will), the history is sound, and that's the most important thing in a historical documentary.
In my country, Morocco, 13 cities were built by the Phoenicians. Lixus in Larache are the ruins of a large city older than Carthage, 8th century BC. Only 15% has been dug up. These cities were Phoenician at first, then they became under the domination of Carthage
@@aiurea1 the Arabic language is only the simplest language among the ancient Semitic languages. it's like a standard. The English language shouldn't have been the same 200 years ago, and yet it's only 200 years old.
@@aiurea1 200 years about our times. I wanted to make you understand that the languages are no longer quite the same over a short period of 200 years. so imagine periods of thousands of years. I am North African, and if you want to translate the writings on stelae, you must know Arabic and Libyan Berber. These languages are Semitic but they are different. Thousands of years ago and yet they are cousins
This is such a wonderfully done documentary! Thank you ❤ But, there's something missing. Ancient health care. Add that element into the story and your eyes will open. Also, drop presumptious about ancient health care. Understand what happened during ancient mystery rites.
Can’t take my eyes off this steely eyed historian dude. Prof. Richard Miles , University of Sydney. If he has students, I bet they’re never late for his class.
Nonsense....Miles is a politically correct ideologue who couchs history in terms of modern history/attitudes....a fatal error....since efforts are made to change history to conform.....this reeks of Marxism.... A capable modern leader would have Miles strapped to a rack just to be on the safe side......
@@get.factual HANNOBAAL WAS NOT ALBINO OR NEANDERTHAL. THEY WERE TALL BLACKISH NEGROIDS. This vid is fertilizer for raceism. The MIS’COMPLEXIONISM in this video is pathetic, so ii just listened to the audio.
I wonder if any of the Carthaginian settlements in West Africa survived. And maybe Carthaginian influence was partially responsible for the Bantu expansion?
@4:03 This is not Phoenician this is Modern Standard Arabic. I speak Modern Standard Arabic and Lebanese Arabic and also studied Biblical Hebrew and Phoenician (including the Punic dialect, which includes Carthage). Phoenician is not an Arabic language but a Canaanite language, although Arabic and Phoenician belong to the Semitic branch. for example he says for "500" مئتان وخمسون miʾatayn waḫamsūna =250 Wrong translation and in the Byblian dialect of Phoenician from that era it would be actually 𐤌𐤀𐤕𐤌 𐤅𐤇𐤌𐤔𐤌 miʾtêma waḥamšūma =250 - @6:00 the Egyptians speak in Modern Standard Arabic, this is not Egyptian not accurate. Egyptian is not an Arabic language but belongs to the separate branch "Egyptian" of Afro-Asiatic, while Arabic belongs to the Afro-Asiatic branch Semitic.
@@hosnimtir7469 Your comment is unrelated to my comment. What's your point? Languages do not equal ancestry or replacement of ancient previous cultures, ethnicities. This does not make Egyptians nor Lebanese "Arabs" in the true ethnic sense (defining Arabs as people who not just speak Arabic but also have a true Arab culture and are also connected by ancestry to an ancient Arab culture). - I am not an Arabist by the way and as a Lebanese I identify myself as a human and then Lebanese descending from Phoenician-Canaanites but also being Arabized linguistically because Phoenician is no longer spoken and Lebanese Arabic is not Phoenician and does not descend from it. But I do not identify myself as an Arab. The modern Arab identity is purely based on linguistics and not on cultural elements and emerged in the 20th century CE (It is defined like this: Everyone who speaks natively Arabic is an Arab). However speaking Arabic is not enough to claim to belong to a fully and true, actual Arab culture in the historical sense when the definition of "Arab" had a different meanng and was broader and included culture, ancestry, a certain area and other elements. -- But yes I am aware of the DNA studies. Modern Arabic speaking populations of the Canaan area are mostly Arabized and still descend from the local ancient populations in case of Lebanon it is the Phoenician-Canaanites. The modern populations of the Levant do not descend mostly from the Arabian peninsula nor from Arabs nor do the ancient populations of Canaan descend from the Arabian peninsula or from Arabs. The following are DNA studies of ancient and modern populations which back up what I said: The genomic history of the Middle East By Mohamed A. Almarri et al., 2021 www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(21)00839-4 Continuity and Admixture in the Last Five Millennia of Levantine History from Ancient Canaanite and Present-Day Lebanese Genome Sequences Marc Haber et al., 2017 www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5544389/ Ancient DNA sheds light on the genetic origins of early Iron Age Philistines By Michal Feldman et al., 2019 www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aax0061 "On the other hand, Levant Arabs are distant from Saudis, Kuwaitis, and Yeminis, an indication that the contribution of the Arabian Peninsula populations to Levantine gene pool is low, probably due to the absence of the demographic aspect of 7th century invasion." "The strong relatedness between Levant Arab populations is explained by their common ancestry, the ancient Canaanites, who came either from Africa or Arabian Peninsula via Egypt in 3300 BC [97], and settled in Levant lowlands after collapse of Ghassulian civilization in 3800-3350 BC [98]" Quotes from: The genetic heterogeneity of Arab populations as inferred from HLA genes By Abdelhafidh Hajjej et al., 2018 journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0192269 - But my point in my previous comment still stands: Lebanese Arabic for example belongs to the Levantine Arabic branch of the Arabic languages and not to Phoenician. The same counts for the languages of modern Egyptians they are Egyptian Arabic languages. Only the liturgical language of the Copts called Coptic is a descendant of the ancient Egyptian language. All modern spoken Arabic language did not evolve directly from Classical Arabic nor from Quran Arabic and did not evolve in a linear way but they are linguistically Arabic. The Semitic Languages: An International Handbook By Stefan Weninger, 2011 Page 853 and page 920-935 (Levantine Arabic) The Subgrouping of the Semitic Languages By Na'ama Pat-El, 2018 (language tree and linguistic classification of the Semitic languages, Arabic and Phoenician are here separate) www.academia.edu/37145037/The_Subgrouping_of_the_Semitic_Languages The Semitic Languages - 2nd Edition By John Huehnergard, Na'ama Pat-El, 2019 Page 403-432 (Levantine Arabic) The Cambridge Handbook of African Linguistics By H. Ekkehard Wolff, 2019 Page 262 (language tree and linguistic classification of the Semitic languages, Arabic and Phoenician are here also separate) Versteegh about Proto-Neo-Arabic: "The heterogeneous nature of the transmission process, the involvement of different chronological layers, and the persisting contacts with the Peninsula in some areas all conspire to shake the foundations of any reconstruction of Proto-New-Arabic." -Kees Versteegh, page 244 From: A linguistic history of Arabic (review) By Kees Versteegh, 2010 www.researchgate.net/publication/261904421_A_linguistic_history_of_Arabic_by_Jonathan_Owens Why "Levantine" is Arabic, not Aramaic: By Lamee Souag (a linguist) lughat.blogspot.com/2014/09/why-levantine-is-arabic-not-aramaic.html lughat.blogspot.nl/2014/09/why-levantine-is-arabic-not-aramaic_8.html lughat.blogspot.nl/2014/09/why-levantine-is-arabic-not-aramaic_11.html lughat.blogspot.nl/2014/09/on-finding-sources-of-shared-items-or.html lughat.blogspot.com/2018/01/taleb-unintentionally-proves-lebanese.html
The Latin Alphabet is still roman, it comes from the Greeks and greek comes from pheonician... if you write in pheonician you arent able to read much. What is taken from the phoenicians is mostly the idea that sounds can be turned into letters.
Does anyone know what he means at 26:15 when he says that ships were seen as living creatures? He doesn’t mean people actually thought ships were actually alive and therefore animals right? That would honestly surprise me
Philosophically. The same kind of care and consideration you would give a working animal, you might give a ship. They are brand new in the world, they may need maintenance, they age and become less capable, and finally there comes a time when they must return to the earth. If your civilization depends on ocean going vessels, then you'll have a high regard for them to the point of even divine influence.
I thought the narrator said a homo called them Phoenicians at 1:43 ... took me a second to register it was Homerus. The subtitles thought it was homo too. Edit: absolutely love this channel! I'm watching an entire history episode every day before bed. THANK YOU Get.factual
*Phonecians absolutely did sail to Ireland, England, and the now USA, with "artifacts and Phonecian writings", etched in stone in several locations.* (Tin) + other resources. Excellent "Authentic Academic" Documentary, rather than "Mainstream Academic". Appreciate this so. PS: I like Escargot.
Of COURSE the Carthaginians practiced child sacrifice. This doc does mention the sheer NUMBER of infant bones & Stieles found in Carthaginian burial grounds-far, far more than would ever have naturally died…. I just love these historians who adopt one “civilization” as their life’s work-they almost always lose perspective & skepticism, while falling in love with their subjects….
Bones are not a definitive answer that sacrifice did happen. Although I liked the 2nd paragraph you wrote, I tend to believe that we can't be sure if phoenicians/carthaginians did child sacrifice or not
The Levant HAD no influence on Carthage,THERE WAS NEVER ANY LEBANESE LANGUAGE OR CULTURE IN AFRICA. ALL ANCIENT AFRICANS WERE BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE OF THEIR NATIVE LANDS. Ancient Lebanese were Egyptians
It's so mysterious, all those events and glories appeared to happen in the lands of the Berbers , yet there has been no mention of any sort for their contribution or any roles they may have played.if it was not of the Numidians, the history would have taken another trajectory and shape. The Noble Nation AMAZIGHS. Miraculously, it happens to be again, the Barbarie in the same land will be the masters and Lords of the Mediterranean sea once more for two centuries from 1596 to 1830 .
@CARTHAGE TUNISIA HANNIBAL who were the Berbers in you opinion then? The carthagenien were originally of canaanites descents who came from the East cost of the Mediterranean, they might be in couple or fewer thousands. Certainly they wouldn't be able to occupy whole of north Africa and all the Med islands sicily, sardegna and bellaric islands and cost of Spain ..etc .
correct me if I am wrong! but logically speaking the first to build a boats must be the ones who lived on an island first yes!? maybe ... Crete... minoan empire but then again who am I ...you seem to know the facts...
Great documentary except for the dialogues being in modern Arabic... Carthage (modern day Tunisia) was arabized in the 7th century AD which makes it impossible for Carthaginians to be speaking Arabic at the time of Hanno, Hannibal, etc.
*"DNA Clarifies so much, I so appreciate this, I so appreciate Facts."* *The Phonecians, "the World's Seafarers".* Basque, Phonecian/Sardinian, Anatolian = my Irish DNA.
Regarding child sacrifice, the Jews, the Greeks and the Romans who lived at the same time said they sacrificed their children. Dr Moncef Ben Moussa of the modern world, couldn't be. 🙄
It doesn't make sense for the story of the pupp picking up the snail and his mouth turned purple because of every thing else that has to be added to it? the
Recently, it was proven that Carthage was a local empire established by the North African people. According to Wells Spencer's genetic study of Tunisia, he found that the DNA of present-day Tunisians is the same as that of the Carthaginians, with 88% being of North African origin. Only 12% of the Tunisian population has roots from other regions. Additionally, his genetic study of Lebanon revealed that 11% of Lebanese people have North African DNA, indicating that the migration was from Carthage to Lebanon, not the other way around.
@@Sragonofakkad Don't accuse me! History has always been written by the winners, and there are many mistakes and ideological biases behind it. We never have 100% truth in history. I wrote and stated that Carthage was built by North African people, as this is the latest update from historians and scientists. They have never found proof that Carthage was built by the Phoenicians. According to Spencer Wells, he found that the skulls of the Carthaginians match those of modern Tunisians, and his DNA study shows that 88% of Tunisians are of Carthaginian descent. Before Carthage, Tunisia had three main cultures and civilizations: the Capsian culture, which existed between 7,000 and 12,000 years ago, followed by the Aterian culture, and then the Acheulean. The Carthaginians were simply a continuation of these populations. Carthage was never a Phoenician colony. The story of Alyssa is a myth, a false narrative created by the Romans to diminish the Carthaginian Empire, implying that "the empire was built by a woman!" Similar myths exist about Rome, such as the legend of Romulus and Remus, the twin brothers raised by a she-wolf. In truth, Carthage was built by the local North Africans, as supported by DNA evidence. I hope this is clear!
@@bethbartlett5692 the purple came from shell fish not the actual people. Minoans discovered how to make it . Pheonetians inherited and spread the knowledge and it was no longer unique.
@@crackin2000 I understand, my point is both knew the process of extracting the purple dye. A shared knowledge, because the are the same Peoples. The Phonecians are also known as the Carthagenans, the Punics, and some believe the Minonians were either Phonecians too or influenced by them. Confusion comes with the varied references to them, via Greeks, Romans, etc. DNA Mapping of migrations has helped this get clarity.
The history of Carthage is the history of North Africa. The Carthaginian army and people, the majority of whom were Amazigh, not Phoenicians. The Phoenicians were a minority, and we find in their genes to this day only the genes of North Africa.
Near East?? What Near East? You called out Homer for using 'Phoenicians' and then get someone to call the Carthaginians from the "Near East' as 'imperialist'...hah
the history channel form of presentation must die. Your intentions in this nice little film may be well, but many see the reenactment style as an insult to intelligence and time wasted. Example, you already talked about the ship production. Why was their a need to waste time and money on a rehash reenactment, when you could have elaborated on something else. More could be covered with simple discussion and presentation with or without visual aids, and still come out better than the speculative and more often than not, inaccurate reenactment.
Nice, one criticism. I didn't know who some of the speakers were until like 1/2 way through they get an identification on screen (like the Sydney professor for example). Let me know who is speaking when they appear on screen. The reason being sometimes someone says something nutty and you want to look it up and find out references on the speaker. Otherwise, well put together docco.
You must have missed the first introduction of Prof. Miles starting at 2:34 because they introduce him within 5 seconds of when he starts talking at 2:31. Maybe check the facts before you criticize?
@@ahmedelakrab I don’t think we need to redefine anything as this is a very very old concept that goes back to the beginning of time. Being pedantic won’t change history. Are you aware of what the “valley of the shadow of death” meant when referenced in Psalm 23? I’m not a Bible beater… but when you notice patterns of behavior in history it starts to all make sense.
Phoenicians truly R d missing link of human history... In relevance with not only trade but also, modern global languages,art, architecture,war tactics, technology as well as d sense of adventure and patriotism.....and all of that in a friendly business manner unless in d position of self defense..... check out Baalbek and d port cities in Lebanon,,Byblos tyre...some impossible stone work yet existing in plain sight...
unfortunately, all information about Carthage, etc., comes from their enemies. Sorry, much of this, including the gods and child sacrifice, is not verified
Based on the new Archaeological discovery and according to the genetics test , all your historical data are proven wrong unfortunately! During that period of time, Carthage already extinct, and was not established by the Phoenicians, in fact even before Carthage it use to be Tarshish , which was much developed than Carthage itself. Lots of historical facts about Carthage needs to be corrected.
The alphabet is Hebrew. To not show this origin is conspiratorial. Paleo Hebrew is the source of our writing style and the original tonal pronunciation of letters. YHWH IS BLESSED
Please stop pushing the 'mercenaries' libel. Carthaginians relied on NATIVE allies. LIKE EVERY OTHER EMPIRE. For some reason, no one calls them mercenaries for Rome. I am seeing more people exaggerate and push this wording 'mercenaries' more and more and it is becoming something of a meme in classic history studies circles. STOP IT
Absolute nonsense. They were not the first to build ocean going vessels. Thousands of years before them, reed ships were sailing the Oceans and trading internationally. Plank ships were copies of these reed ships.
you got it wrong mate. In fact phoenician alphabet is the origin, right. But you are jumping from one era to another. Even if the Carthaginian are originated from Tyre, populated by the phoenician...there is a large gap of time between these two periods. So to answer your second question, the romans had an alphabet...to make it simple, and also the etruscan, which were on the paeninsula italica.
@@sun_land i know, this is why i ask, in the doc the guy said the ph alphabet is the origin of all western a. He did not say nothing from this time period to this time period
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If anyone watching this would like some more seriously high quality information about Carthage, I HIGHLY recommend The Fall Of Civilisations episode 17 Carthage Empire of the Phoenecians .. Absolutely brilliant. Its on RUclips and so worthwhile ❤ the whole series is genius.
As a Tunisian (from Tunis, where the leftovers of Carthage are nowadays ) I approve of this great documentary 🥹 thank you.
Awesome video 🇱🇧🇱🇧🇱🇧🏔️💪🏻🥂
you're not from Carthage boy
@@isawwhatthedoghasdone2549 nop I'm not
@@isawwhatthedoghasdone2549 but im Lebanese and Canaanite Phoenician toOo😎
A proud Tunisian is a proud Carthaginian 🇹🇳
Thanks for my ancient civilization related information. But sir!
Does anyone know where can i find this book in pdf? What's name of the book (Carthage : Traders and Writers)?
One of the very few videos of Carthage that actually go into more aspects than just war
Great video! You have honored the Lebanese people, Phoenicians, the founders, and ancestors of Carthage! Great job on showing the influence and legacy of our tiny nation.
Mosaic art shows them as bronze skinned.
@@hannobaali_makendaliwhat? Why would you say that?
@@bobrown582 Because ii HAVE the Smithsonian publication of mosaics that SHOWS them as darkly pigmented and curly-haired people.
@@hannobaali_makendali The Phoenicians wete a Mediterranean people, from the Levant, so yes, they can get a tan
Amazing!!
The Carthaginian were so advanced and ahead of their time
TRUE
Nice to see Prof Richard Miles in this - his own 2-part doco on Carthage is a must-watch!
..... Thanks for That tip Brett - (Richard Miles doc.,) 🌟🌟🌟👍
Phil Liverpool UK 🇬🇧
Man I got tears by d end of d video... 🙏🏻
33:02 Does anyone know where can I find this book in pdf? What´s the name of the book?
A highly enjoyable documentary with actual accurate historical information. Shame about the ridiculous incidental music, though - this is a real example of how inappropriate music over a documentary really affects its quality. The comedy music does this no favours! A small observation, (or gripe if you will), the history is sound, and that's the most important thing in a historical documentary.
I love these documentaries. So interesting and educational.
Best Carthage doc yet 👍🏼👍🏼
Ancient Carthage was one of Antiquity's great cultures too bad we know little or a full Carthaginian document or artwork! Greetings from Mexico!
Also most of what we know about Them was written by thier ennemy.....
I am over 30 minutes in. No mention of Hannibal, elephants, or attempted sieges on Rome. This is an actual history documentary.
I was so happy to see this comment first.
About 46 minutes until Hannibal was mentioned.
@@Chris-qo2jx I'll never recover from this
Hanno the second betrayed the great general Hannibal Barca without Hanno the second there will be no Roman empire
Yep.
A great documentary. I enjoyed the cartoons as well. I learned a lot and thats what counts.
Very well done…👍🏻👏🏻 Great script, great video quality, great focus on the subject, great tempo…..
excellent documentary!
thank you for a wonderful and insightful coverage of the mighty carthaginians 💫
My wife's ancestors are celtic phoenicians from Cadiz and my father's side from Carthage
In my country, Morocco, 13 cities were built by the Phoenicians. Lixus in Larache are the ruins of a large city older than Carthage, 8th century BC. Only 15% has been dug up. These cities were Phoenician at first, then they became under the domination of Carthage
Do you call yourselves Arabs? Maybe it should be Arabic.
@@aiurea1 the Arabic language is only the simplest language among the ancient Semitic languages. it's like a standard. The English language shouldn't have been the same 200 years ago, and yet it's only 200 years old.
@@slimaneismailli8732 how is it 200 years old only? I think you should stop calling yourselves arabs, you are different
@@aiurea1 200 years about our times. I wanted to make you understand that the languages are no longer quite the same over a short period of 200 years. so imagine periods of thousands of years. I am North African, and if you want to translate the writings on stelae, you must know Arabic and Libyan Berber. These languages are Semitic but they are different. Thousands of years ago and yet they are cousins
@@slimaneismailli8732 very intresting to hear that Berber is Semitic too
Richard Miles reminds me of that guy from Mitchel and Webb
How amazing is this video!
Very interesting!
This is such a wonderfully done documentary! Thank you ❤
But, there's something missing. Ancient health care. Add that element into the story and your eyes will open. Also, drop presumptious about ancient health care. Understand what happened during ancient mystery rites.
Can’t take my eyes off this steely eyed historian dude. Prof. Richard Miles , University of Sydney. If he has students, I bet they’re never late for his class.
he was quite a character
Quite enjoyed his book on Carthage too.
Nonsense....Miles is a politically correct ideologue who couchs history in terms of modern history/attitudes....a fatal error....since efforts are made to change history to conform.....this reeks of Marxism....
A capable modern leader would have Miles strapped to a rack just to be on the safe side......
I would love to go back and see them in their heyday.
I so enjoyed that thank you so much
This is superb, so very well done especially in comparison to the ginormous amount of dreck concerning Carthage on RUclips. Cheers!
Thanks a lot!
@@get.factual HANNOBAAL WAS NOT ALBINO OR NEANDERTHAL.
THEY WERE TALL BLACKISH NEGROIDS. This vid is fertilizer for raceism.
The MIS’COMPLEXIONISM in this video is pathetic, so ii just listened to the audio.
I wonder if any of the Carthaginian settlements in West Africa survived. And maybe Carthaginian influence was partially responsible for the Bantu expansion?
I doubt there were any settlements. They likely only traded.
Quality docu. Thanks
We have so much thanks to the Carthageninans.
Like what ?
The sacrificial theory has been disproved...
the acting, the costumes... Rome HBO level: bravo!
@4:03 This is not Phoenician this is Modern Standard Arabic. I speak Modern Standard Arabic and Lebanese Arabic and also studied Biblical Hebrew and Phoenician (including the Punic dialect, which includes Carthage). Phoenician is not an Arabic language but a Canaanite language, although Arabic and Phoenician belong to the Semitic branch.
for example he says for "500"
مئتان وخمسون
miʾatayn waḫamsūna
=250
Wrong translation and in the Byblian dialect of Phoenician from that era it would be actually
𐤌𐤀𐤕𐤌 𐤅𐤇𐤌𐤔𐤌
miʾtêma waḥamšūma
=250
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@6:00 the Egyptians speak in Modern Standard Arabic, this is not Egyptian not accurate. Egyptian is not an Arabic language but belongs to the separate branch "Egyptian" of Afro-Asiatic, while Arabic belongs to the Afro-Asiatic branch Semitic.
Go check out the DNA studies and tests before embarrassing yourself
@@hosnimtir7469
Your comment is unrelated to my comment.
What's your point?
Languages do not equal ancestry or replacement of ancient previous cultures, ethnicities. This does not make Egyptians nor Lebanese "Arabs" in the true ethnic sense (defining Arabs as people who not just speak Arabic but also have a true Arab culture and are also connected by ancestry to an ancient Arab culture).
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I am not an Arabist by the way and as a Lebanese I identify myself as a human and then Lebanese descending from Phoenician-Canaanites but also being Arabized linguistically because Phoenician is no longer spoken and Lebanese Arabic is not Phoenician and does not descend from it. But I do not identify myself as an Arab. The modern Arab identity is purely based on linguistics and not on cultural elements and emerged in the 20th century CE (It is defined like this: Everyone who speaks natively Arabic is an Arab). However speaking Arabic is not enough to claim to belong to a fully and true, actual Arab culture in the historical sense when the definition of "Arab" had a different meanng and was broader and included culture, ancestry, a certain area and other elements.
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But yes I am aware of the DNA studies.
Modern Arabic speaking populations of the Canaan area are mostly Arabized and still descend from the local ancient populations in case of Lebanon it is the Phoenician-Canaanites. The modern populations of the Levant do not descend mostly from the Arabian peninsula nor from Arabs nor do the ancient populations of Canaan descend from the Arabian peninsula or from Arabs. The following are DNA studies of ancient and modern populations which back up what I said:
The genomic history of the Middle East
By Mohamed A. Almarri et al., 2021
www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(21)00839-4
Continuity and Admixture in the Last Five Millennia of Levantine History from Ancient Canaanite and Present-Day Lebanese Genome Sequences
Marc Haber et al., 2017
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5544389/
Ancient DNA sheds light on the genetic origins of early Iron Age Philistines
By Michal Feldman et al., 2019
www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aax0061
"On the other hand, Levant Arabs are distant from Saudis, Kuwaitis, and Yeminis, an indication that the contribution of the Arabian Peninsula populations to Levantine gene pool is low, probably due to the absence of the demographic aspect of 7th century invasion."
"The strong relatedness between Levant Arab populations is explained by their common ancestry, the ancient Canaanites, who came either from Africa or Arabian Peninsula via Egypt in 3300 BC [97], and settled in Levant lowlands after collapse of Ghassulian civilization in 3800-3350 BC [98]"
Quotes from:
The genetic heterogeneity of Arab populations as inferred from HLA genes
By Abdelhafidh Hajjej et al., 2018
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0192269
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But my point in my previous comment still stands:
Lebanese Arabic for example belongs to the Levantine Arabic branch of the Arabic languages and not to Phoenician. The same counts for the languages of modern Egyptians they are Egyptian Arabic languages. Only the liturgical language of the Copts called Coptic is a descendant of the ancient Egyptian language. All modern spoken Arabic language did not evolve directly from Classical Arabic nor from Quran Arabic and did not evolve in a linear way but they are linguistically Arabic.
The Semitic Languages: An International Handbook
By Stefan Weninger, 2011
Page 853 and page 920-935 (Levantine Arabic)
The Subgrouping of the Semitic Languages
By Na'ama Pat-El, 2018 (language tree and linguistic classification of the Semitic languages, Arabic and Phoenician are here separate)
www.academia.edu/37145037/The_Subgrouping_of_the_Semitic_Languages
The Semitic Languages - 2nd Edition
By John Huehnergard, Na'ama Pat-El, 2019
Page 403-432 (Levantine Arabic)
The Cambridge Handbook of African Linguistics
By H. Ekkehard Wolff, 2019
Page 262 (language tree and linguistic classification of the Semitic languages, Arabic and Phoenician are here also separate)
Versteegh about Proto-Neo-Arabic:
"The heterogeneous nature of the transmission process, the involvement of different chronological layers, and the persisting contacts with the Peninsula in some areas all conspire to shake the foundations of any reconstruction of Proto-New-Arabic."
-Kees Versteegh, page 244
From:
A linguistic history of Arabic (review)
By Kees Versteegh, 2010
www.researchgate.net/publication/261904421_A_linguistic_history_of_Arabic_by_Jonathan_Owens
Why "Levantine" is Arabic, not Aramaic:
By Lamee Souag (a linguist)
lughat.blogspot.com/2014/09/why-levantine-is-arabic-not-aramaic.html
lughat.blogspot.nl/2014/09/why-levantine-is-arabic-not-aramaic_8.html
lughat.blogspot.nl/2014/09/why-levantine-is-arabic-not-aramaic_11.html
lughat.blogspot.nl/2014/09/on-finding-sources-of-shared-items-or.html
lughat.blogspot.com/2018/01/taleb-unintentionally-proves-lebanese.html
I am able to write this thanks to the Carthaginians, damn Romans
Yes !! And the pesky gossipers greeks too!
The Latin Alphabet is still roman, it comes from the Greeks and greek comes from pheonician... if you write in pheonician you arent able to read much. What is taken from the phoenicians is mostly the idea that sounds can be turned into letters.
@@Alejojojo6 is that the first alphabet then?
@@Alejojojo6 Nope you are writing with phoenician Greek alphabets do not exist
The Punic alphabet must have come somewhere or evolved from somewhere earlier
found Roman coins near Tunis in caves on 1967 when we were there
Does anyone know what he means at 26:15 when he says that ships were seen as living creatures? He doesn’t mean people actually thought ships were actually alive and therefore animals right? That would honestly surprise me
Philosophically. The same kind of care and consideration you would give a working animal, you might give a ship. They are brand new in the world, they may need maintenance, they age and become less capable, and finally there comes a time when they must return to the earth. If your civilization depends on ocean going vessels, then you'll have a high regard for them to the point of even divine influence.
@@fakshen1973 I see thank you!
I thought the narrator said a homo called them Phoenicians at 1:43 ... took me a second to register it was Homerus. The subtitles thought it was homo too.
Edit: absolutely love this channel! I'm watching an entire history episode every day before bed. THANK YOU Get.factual
"Homer". Aka. Homeros.
*Phonecians absolutely did sail to Ireland, England, and the now USA, with "artifacts and Phonecian writings", etched in stone in several locations.* (Tin) + other resources.
Excellent "Authentic Academic" Documentary, rather than "Mainstream Academic".
Appreciate this so.
PS: I like Escargot.
Ireland and England maybe but the americas certainly not there is no evidence of that even remotely.
@@Iceican they for sure reached England and Ireland.
Also Sarina QLD
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no you're not them buddy@@carvingtheway
From which year is this documentary?
Prof Richard Miles is great!
I totally agree, he’s one of my favorite historians on the subject of Carthage, Rome, and other Mediterranean civilizations.
7:26 Phoenicians and Carthaginians described as "relatives"
We did not find any genes for them in Carthage 🤔
Of COURSE the Carthaginians practiced child sacrifice. This doc does mention the sheer NUMBER of infant bones & Stieles found in Carthaginian burial grounds-far, far more than would ever have naturally died….
I just love these historians who adopt one “civilization” as their life’s work-they almost always lose perspective & skepticism, while falling in love with their subjects….
Bones are not a definitive answer that sacrifice did happen. Although I liked the 2nd paragraph you wrote, I tend to believe that we can't be sure if phoenicians/carthaginians did child sacrifice or not
No mention of Cartagena? Odd
Fun fact: the modern English word puny is a derogatory word that originates from Roman times applied to the Carthaginians.
2:27 they called their land Knun. Read up
تأثير بلاد الشام على العالم لا مثيل له
أكبر ثلاث اديان مصدرها الشام ☦️☪️✡️
أكبر ثلاث ابجديات مصدرها الشام الاتينية السيريليه العربيه
The Levant HAD no influence on Carthage,THERE WAS NEVER ANY LEBANESE LANGUAGE OR CULTURE IN AFRICA. ALL ANCIENT AFRICANS WERE BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE OF THEIR NATIVE LANDS. Ancient Lebanese were Egyptians
It's so mysterious, all those events and glories appeared to happen in the lands of the Berbers , yet there has been no mention of any sort for their contribution or any roles they may have played.if it was not of the Numidians, the history would have taken another trajectory and shape.
The Noble Nation AMAZIGHS.
Miraculously, it happens to be again, the Barbarie in the same land will be the masters and Lords of the Mediterranean sea once more for two centuries from 1596 to 1830 .
@CARTHAGE TUNISIA HANNIBAL who were the Berbers in you opinion then?
The carthagenien were originally of canaanites descents who came from the East cost of the Mediterranean, they might be in couple or fewer thousands.
Certainly they wouldn't be able to occupy whole of north Africa and all the Med islands sicily, sardegna and bellaric islands and cost of Spain ..etc .
Did the Carthaginian talk Arabic or just voice translation
rabs arabs didn't invade north Africa until 7th century AD CARTHAGENIANS WERE NATIVE AFRICANS
correct me if I am wrong! but logically speaking the first to build a boats must be the ones who lived on an island first yes!? maybe ... Crete... minoan empire but then again who am I ...you seem to know the facts...
Really dislike the close captions. I barly see them let alone read them.
turn them off.
Who's the queen spilling tea on the Phoenicians?
I dont think phoenicians neither Egyptians at that time spoke arabic😢
Baal and Astarte have a Warhammer 40K connection.
Lebanon 🇱🇧
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Prefabricated, coded, put together modules…. So, the first IKEA?
Great documentary except for the dialogues being in modern Arabic... Carthage (modern day Tunisia) was arabized in the 7th century AD which makes it impossible for Carthaginians to be speaking Arabic at the time of Hanno, Hannibal, etc.
E NATIVE AFRICANSIN AGAIN CARTHAGENIANS WHO
Wow, apparently both Egyptians and Phoenicians spoke Arabic.
egyptians and carthagenians/phoenicians were native Africans,ITS 2023
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Please, please, please - where is a history video that does not have a budget for awful stock soundtracks? 😢
Why did the assyrians speak arabic at the beginning?
Phoenicians are speaking ARABIC @4:17 Original IKEA shipbuilders!
‘And Rome is a shitty little town nobody cares about’ 🤣🤣 wasn’t expecting that hahaha
*"DNA Clarifies so much, I so appreciate this, I so appreciate Facts."*
*The Phonecians, "the World's Seafarers".*
Basque, Phonecian/Sardinian, Anatolian = my Irish DNA.
Carthaginian genes = Berber Genes + Anatolian genes = Contemporary Tunisian
Regarding child sacrifice, the Jews, the Greeks and the Romans who lived at the same time said they sacrificed their children. Dr Moncef Ben Moussa of the modern world, couldn't be. 🙄
Just because they all said that, doesn't make it true.
The language was Punic, wasn't it? Why is it called Phoenician here?
3 names for the same people. They are called differently by who is calling them, their language and culture.
What language did they speak?
Punic
It doesn't make sense for the story of the pupp picking up the snail and his mouth turned purple because of every thing else that has to be added to it? the
It’s obvious they were sacrificing children. I don’t understand why people still try to pretend they didn’t
wow
Recently, it was proven that Carthage was a local empire established by the North African people. According to Wells Spencer's genetic study of Tunisia, he found that the DNA of present-day Tunisians is the same as that of the Carthaginians, with 88% being of North African origin. Only 12% of the Tunisian population has roots from other regions. Additionally, his genetic study of Lebanon revealed that 11% of Lebanese people have North African DNA, indicating that the migration was from Carthage to Lebanon, not the other way around.
Carthage was founded by the phoenicians ,a people who came from Lebanon don't try to twist history.
@@Sragonofakkad Don't accuse me! History has always been written by the winners, and there are many mistakes and ideological biases behind it. We never have 100% truth in history. I wrote and stated that Carthage was built by North African people, as this is the latest update from historians and scientists. They have never found proof that Carthage was built by the Phoenicians. According to Spencer Wells, he found that the skulls of the Carthaginians match those of modern Tunisians, and his DNA study shows that 88% of Tunisians are of Carthaginian descent.
Before Carthage, Tunisia had three main cultures and civilizations: the Capsian culture, which existed between 7,000 and 12,000 years ago, followed by the Aterian culture, and then the Acheulean. The Carthaginians were simply a continuation of these populations. Carthage was never a Phoenician colony. The story of Alyssa is a myth, a false narrative created by the Romans to diminish the Carthaginian Empire, implying that "the empire was built by a woman!" Similar myths exist about Rome, such as the legend of Romulus and Remus, the twin brothers raised by a she-wolf.
In truth, Carthage was built by the local North Africans, as supported by DNA evidence. I hope this is clear!
That's not 'phoenician' it is the VInca symbols found in eastern europe
Whaht about berbers ? they were inexistant at that time ???
Because their contribution is always ignored and négliged and disguised by the 'punic' word.
Bhaal worship ? Still happens
They're not speaking Phoenician, they're speaking ARABIC lol
The purple dye was minoan first.
Check, the DNA reflects Phonecian, I believe.
@@bethbartlett5692 the purple came from shell fish not the actual people. Minoans discovered how to make it . Pheonetians inherited and spread the knowledge and it was no longer unique.
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I understand, my point is both knew the process of extracting the purple dye.
A shared knowledge, because the are the same Peoples. The Phonecians are also known as the Carthagenans, the Punics, and some believe the Minonians were either Phonecians too or influenced by them.
Confusion comes with the varied references to them, via Greeks, Romans, etc.
DNA Mapping of migrations has helped this get clarity.
The history of Carthage is the history of North Africa. The Carthaginian army and people, the majority of whom were Amazigh, not Phoenicians. The Phoenicians were a minority, and we find in their genes to this day only the genes of North Africa.
Near East?? What Near East? You called out Homer for using 'Phoenicians' and then get someone to call the Carthaginians from the "Near East' as 'imperialist'...hah
the history channel form of presentation must die. Your intentions in this nice little film may be well, but many see the reenactment style as an insult to intelligence and time wasted. Example, you already talked about the ship production. Why was their a need to waste time and money on a rehash reenactment, when you could have elaborated on something else. More could be covered with simple discussion and presentation with or without visual aids, and still come out better than the speculative and more often than not, inaccurate reenactment.
Nice, one criticism. I didn't know who some of the speakers were until like 1/2 way through they get an identification on screen (like the Sydney professor for example). Let me know who is speaking when they appear on screen. The reason being sometimes someone says something nutty and you want to look it up and find out references on the speaker. Otherwise, well put together docco.
You must have missed the first introduction of Prof. Miles starting at 2:34 because they introduce him within 5 seconds of when he starts talking at 2:31. Maybe check the facts before you criticize?
@@CFinch360 Bo is suggesting to put the names up every time they switch to the various profs.
Abortion is modern day sacrifice. I’m not saying this as a prolife comment. I’m saying it because it’s TRUTH.
If you want to redefine sacrifice and modern, then yes!
@@ahmedelakrab I don’t think we need to redefine anything as this is a very very old concept that goes back to the beginning of time. Being pedantic won’t change history. Are you aware of what the “valley of the shadow of death” meant when referenced in Psalm 23? I’m not a Bible beater… but when you notice patterns of behavior in history it starts to all make sense.
"I'm not a Bible beater" proceeds to beat the bible....
Wars of aggression sacrifice the most
number of people.
Which was the worst? The Carthaginians? Or, the Romans? 💀
Phoenicians truly R d missing link of human history... In relevance with not only trade but also, modern global languages,art, architecture,war tactics, technology as well as d sense of adventure and patriotism.....and all of that in a friendly business manner unless in d position of self defense..... check out Baalbek and d port cities in Lebanon,,Byblos tyre...some impossible stone work yet existing in plain sight...
I guess I'll have to add ships to the list of things Greeks took from other cultures but is never credited
The Assyrians sound more like the English, the Romans.
unfortunately, all information about Carthage, etc., comes from their enemies. Sorry, much of this, including the gods and child sacrifice, is not verified
Based on the new Archaeological discovery and according to the genetics test , all your historical data are proven wrong unfortunately!
During that period of time, Carthage already extinct, and was not established by the Phoenicians, in fact even before Carthage it use to be Tarshish , which was much developed than Carthage itself.
Lots of historical facts about Carthage needs to be corrected.
The alphabet is Hebrew. To not show this origin is conspiratorial. Paleo Hebrew is the source of our writing style and the original tonal pronunciation of letters. YHWH IS BLESSED
I think Richard Miles looks drunk and especially after he describes early Rome as a “shitty little town.”
He is a strange one him like 🥺
He said that Rome was “Hicksville on the river Tiber”, which it was at the time. Rome was a more modest city compared to Carthage at that time.
Rome is a shitty City.
Since when is a 50 minutes ad ok?
For building a time machine???
Rome was militaristic dats y dey won buttom line they were not a better race
The closest thing they got to ancient Phoenician was Modern Standard Arabic!
Original Phoenicians were Egyptians.Arabs have no historical development in Africa.
@@matiusbond6052 No! They were Canaanite!
He's so sassy, isn't he
Please stop pushing the 'mercenaries' libel. Carthaginians relied on NATIVE allies. LIKE EVERY OTHER EMPIRE. For some reason, no one calls them mercenaries for Rome. I am seeing more people exaggerate and push this wording 'mercenaries' more and more and it is becoming something of a meme in classic history studies circles. STOP IT
20:35 - No Hebrew human sacrifice? Read Judges 11:30-39. That's one they didn't cover in Sunday school.
Bizarre lecturers-Miles, stand up straight-your delivery is swishy and distracting- what are you selling?
Absolute nonsense. They were not the first to build ocean going vessels. Thousands of years before them, reed ships were sailing the Oceans and trading internationally. Plank ships were copies of these reed ships.
then who was first?
Arabs are the origin of civilization, the rest of the peoples were trapped by ice
phonecian alphabet is the origin of all western alphabets? so the romans had no alphabet before their contact with carthage?
you got it wrong mate. In fact phoenician alphabet is the origin, right. But you are jumping from one era to another. Even if the Carthaginian are originated from Tyre, populated by the phoenician...there is a large gap of time between these two periods.
So to answer your second question, the romans had an alphabet...to make it simple, and also the etruscan, which were on the paeninsula italica.
@@sun_land i know, this is why i ask, in the doc the guy said the ph alphabet is the origin of all western a. He did not say nothing from this time period to this time period
Just specifically the one we use now maybe
@@sadpanda3431 phoenicians are older than rome, and carthage was founded a bit sooner than rome too