Good work madrone! And good luck. I think you’ve timed this right along with Ratio with spare and rebuild stuff. I’ll check you out if the price is right in the uk. I’m not keen on alu jockey wheels though. Would prefer solid delrin without holes.
Reminds me of the Paul and Precision Billet derailleurs from the 90s. Those were priced at 3x my first gen XTR RD. They may not have broken the Shimano OEM stronghold, but they were highly desirable, expensive, and collectible today. Paul’s Component may not be what it is today without that product. The shock value of its beauty and price tag directed a lot of industry attention to the brand. Wish you the best of luck!
Build a rapid rise version and then I'll be interested... It's a shame the industry completely abandoned the most logical design for the modern derailleur that doesn't allow force shifting because people couldn't learn how to shift backwards.
Agree that rapid rise or “low normal” was better for preventing chain snapping shifts under load. IMHO main reason for the failure of “rapid demise” is that Shimano packaged it with their STI flappy shifters in order to lock other companies out of OE supply. As I recall they only offered one trigger in a non series version for a while. Many of us didn’t want moving brakes on our mountain bikes.
@@kevinriseborough1521 Well, remember rapid rise first appeared on 8 speed XTR with the M951 option and then the 9 speed revision with M953. That was like a 6 year span with traditional trigger shifters. I believe the main reason rapid rise was forced as the standard for M960 with the STI levers was just practicality, because it was easier to shift. If you tried using a standard derailleur on those shifters it took a heck of a lot of force to shift into low gear. People with small hands or weak hands struggled. Like you said, everyone has bad memories of that generation and they forever tied rapid rise derailleurs to it.
Pretty sure it’s part of SRAMs special colors for certain Eagle drivetrain components for those who want to drop a bunch of extra money to make their drivetrain look “bling”.
Obviously theyre not on the website yet, but how much $ are we looking at? Im pretty tired of both the Shimano and Sram designs, neither actually solve the issue and out of the box they have so much play in the parallelagram
@@cup_and_cone brand new out of the box the parrelagrams have bushing play, enough for the jockey wheel position to move 3-5mm. There's no way to adjust or remove that clutch deadplay he mentions, it takes about 200 grams of force to detention the chain and make it slap the chainstay, if it wasn't for pedal kickback/antisquat our chains would fall off. All the current deore/xt/SLX mechas sit outboard 1cm further that the 2013 SLX etc mechs. The body also hangs down much further. The ratchet mechanism needs more points of engagement too.
I'm sold !
Awesome! I love the compatibility... and the fact that there's a derailleur being built in the US again
Good work madrone! And good luck. I think you’ve timed this right along with Ratio with spare and rebuild stuff. I’ll check you out if the price is right in the uk. I’m not keen on alu jockey wheels though. Would prefer solid delrin without holes.
Looks awesome! Keep it up guys
High precision and rebuildable and its on CNC wow this is good
Wicked!! Bolt on or udh....super!!
Do these guys have their own YT channel? I enjoy videos like this
Reminds me of the Paul and Precision Billet derailleurs from the 90s. Those were priced at 3x my first gen XTR RD. They may not have broken the Shimano OEM stronghold, but they were highly desirable, expensive, and collectible today. Paul’s Component may not be what it is today without that product. The shock value of its beauty and price tag directed a lot of industry attention to the brand. Wish you the best of luck!
... And if I am crazy, can I make the derailleur work with .... 20" wheels too ?
Make it rapid rise and take my money 👍
Just curious if they bothered to do a udh specific mount why not use "sram transmission" style mounting ? I would love a mechanical transmission.
Me too. I wonder if a patent is blocking competitors.
good engineer
sweet
Compatible with 2x?
that's nice as fk, too bad I'm not in the market.
Build a rapid rise version and then I'll be interested... It's a shame the industry completely abandoned the most logical design for the modern derailleur that doesn't allow force shifting because people couldn't learn how to shift backwards.
Just found an old rapid rise in a parts bin at my local bike coop. I'm running it friction on a commuter and have been loving it.
Agree that rapid rise or “low normal” was better for preventing chain snapping shifts under load. IMHO main reason for the failure of “rapid demise” is that Shimano packaged it with their STI flappy shifters in order to lock other companies out of OE supply. As I recall they only offered one trigger in a non series version for a while. Many of us didn’t want moving brakes on our mountain bikes.
@@kevinriseborough1521 Well, remember rapid rise first appeared on 8 speed XTR with the M951 option and then the 9 speed revision with M953. That was like a 6 year span with traditional trigger shifters. I believe the main reason rapid rise was forced as the standard for M960 with the STI levers was just practicality, because it was easier to shift. If you tried using a standard derailleur on those shifters it took a heck of a lot of force to shift into low gear. People with small hands or weak hands struggled. Like you said, everyone has bad memories of that generation and they forever tied rapid rise derailleurs to it.
where can u get that gold cassette!!
Pretty sure it’s part of SRAMs special colors for certain Eagle drivetrain components for those who want to drop a bunch of extra money to make their drivetrain look “bling”.
If you want to keep up with the game How much ???
Looks like an old SRAM derailleur
Obviously theyre not on the website yet, but how much $ are we looking at? Im pretty tired of both the Shimano and Sram designs, neither actually solve the issue and out of the box they have so much play in the parallelagram
What issue?
Shimano's definitely don't have the same bushing wear that SRAM has...
What issues?
@@cup_and_cone brand new out of the box the parrelagrams have bushing play, enough for the jockey wheel position to move 3-5mm.
There's no way to adjust or remove that clutch deadplay he mentions, it takes about 200 grams of force to detention the chain and make it slap the chainstay, if it wasn't for pedal kickback/antisquat our chains would fall off.
All the current deore/xt/SLX mechas sit outboard 1cm further that the 2013 SLX etc mechs. The body also hangs down much further.
The ratchet mechanism needs more points of engagement too.
idk im hopping not to much i want a right to repair derailleur so bad
Isn't that just a fancy old sram red?
Not at all did u the design the clutch and long cage design?
Is it any better than an XT........I really doubt it,so ill be keeping my XT thanks.....Ha !!
it's a far more refined mechanism than XT, I'd bet it is better. 'prolly feels smoother and more consistent at the shifter lever. 'ha' !!
WANT. shimano11 and UDH mount! Lets goooooo