As interesting of a thought that is, I just don't see anything like it happening. Bungie don't seem like they truly want to do anything that would make us lose more characters after losing Cayde for good this. That's just me.
Oh damn, that reminds me of those story pieces we got week over week out of those data logs, wasn't what she did somewhat similar to how the wittness was created?
@@stuffandthings617 She merged with her fellow scientists, except her wife Chioma Esi. And yes they merged using The Veil as The Witness did. This time it seems like she is leveraging the merged Light and Dark in the Echo to perform the ritual again.
Well this has opened an unexpected can of worms, Saint seems to be having an identity crisis. To add some context for those Guardians that were not around back in 2018 there was a quest line on Mercury that took us to the resting place of Saint-14 within a simulated future conjured by the Infinite Forest. From our perspective back then the Martyr Mind had already drained his light and the vex eventually overwhelmed him, but the Vex seemed to develop something of a respect for saint and so fashioned a tomb for him. Fast forward some time and these events would play out different and we would end up saving Saint and supposedly erasing his tomb from the timeline. Now I would have assumed that Osiris would have told him about his alternate fate and yet this 'truth' presented to him has shaken the old Titan to his foundations. In truth we cannot confirm if Saint's body no longer exists, unless Osiris removed it from the forest and gave it a proper burial, but even then the body may have ceased to exist once we altered history. The fact that Saint seemed to accept the truth so easily does not sit right with me and makes me believe that there is some kind of manipulation going on.
He has a point. Our guardian saw a grave stone of Saint. Which imply that the saint from our timeline have died. Looks like Osiris looked through time and found another Saint from a different timeline. This will bring implications.
But at the same time it was a simulated future since Saint is starting to question himself well that should bring up a plethora of questions to ask aswell like is Saints grave really our timeline of Saint or could that be a “fake” Saint too? (Edit: agreed) It definitely opens an entire can of worms.
rather the respect i think it was fear so they entombed him to keep him in(incase he somehow revived) and to keep everything out i mean he prob killed millions of vex before they finally killed him
I have to wonder if the Witness also had a singular conductor in its collective consciousness, and if that's the same voice we heard refer to itself as "I" instead of "we" at the end of Excision
I think you can fairly assume this is the case. The conductor for the Witness might be one of the Precursors we saw lore about. I can’t remember their code names
So The Conductor is from the original timeline where Saint was dead and she basically infected Saint who our Guardian and Osiris has saved with what is essentially a logic plague that is now causing Saint to have an existential crisis. Add that to the Vex are starting to use more militaristic tactics which could mean they can plot ambushes and last line initiatives. Act I ends with Saint having an existential crisis and the new leader coordinating the Vex in the form of The Conductor. Back in Season of the Deep where Osiris and Nimbus were going over the logs of Chioma Esi who recorded the experiments conducted on the Veil by the Ishtar Collective led by Maya Sundaresh. Code names involving an orchestra such as a conductor and a chorus were used. Pretty much Dr. Esi watched in horror as Sundaresh continued with the experiments despite many people are dying from it eventually leading Maya to be consumed by it too. It's also known that Maya Sundaresh ever since those Veil experiments have made multiple copies of herself within the Vex network through her studies of the Veil. Those many copies of Maya Sundaresh were all eventually lost in the network leaving only an Exo copy of herself in the form of Lakshmi-2. The Echo may have attracted one copy of Maya Sundaresh allowing her to gain a sense of self with great strength and becoming The Conductor commanding and coordinating the Vex on Nessus creating a new symphony of her own control.
Chioma Esi was also one of the Copies released into the vex network. If Maya did the same procedure the precursors did to become the Witness, wouldn't she just have joined the witness? become part of it. Then when we broke it apart, she's free again and landed on Nessus.
@@domvasta No, Maya and the Ishtar Collective was mainly making use of the Vex Network concepts for most of their experiments and while Maya did do experiments on the Veil, she created her copies in the Vex Network. Vex Network is not part of the Witness but it's among the Vex minds themselves.
Although these episodes seem just like seasons, I am genuinely having a lot of fun with the content. And just as things were getting interesting, the act finishes😃. Honestly excited to see where this goes.
Also even if this is a different Saint we pulled out of the forest what is Saint on about, he isn’t technically the original Saint-14 anyway since he was effectively a different person the instant his ghost resurrected him for the first time.
Well from the mumbling we over hear during this week's mission the Conductor seems to be telling Saint that he's doing damage to this current timeline by existing in it. So an identity crisis with a side of "my very existence threatens the world."
He *is* the original Saint-14 otherwise he wouldn’t still have use of his light or his ghost since the vex can’t simulate paracausality (the powers of light and dark).
@@Zer0megaXX And if Bungie goes through with this retcon, this is implying that the vex can now replicate paracausal forces which is an enormous can of worms I don’t think they’ll be able to close.
I believe I figured out the route of this 'act' system Act 1 - It appears to be a Act 1 will be a investigation part of the story and the end will lead into Act 2 Act 2 - Will be us going into the core of nessus and probably more developments Act 3 - Probably more of a finale type deal of stuff This is a interesting way of doing things if I'm being honest. I just wish it was did differently
@@dropkick3024 well, The episodes are dropping for the first time. Let’s just call these prototype episodes and they may change in the near future. Have to wait and see.
@@seifer6665 I can see what you mean, but I don't see it myself, if anything I see Mithrax sacrificing himself (and hopefully become the First Eliksni Guardian) before allowing Nezarec full control of him. In any case we already know our main antagonist is going to be Fikrul the Fanatic, and what's occurring to the Scorn.
@@johngancarcik5682 Indeed, but that does not prevent some harm to come Mithrax's way. And the Curse of Nezarec is no laughing matter. That it manifests (or seems to) in the presence of an 'Echo' does not bode well for Mithrax!!
i've also noticed in the pink/violet pools of light on nessus that have the encoded messages in it, a woman's image is seen in it and it looks familiar to the image of the new vex leader in the promo trailer. she also showed up at the end of the mission during this weeks story.
Those logs in Neomuna from one of its founders were one of the first things I thought of when I heard "Conductor" get thrown around. I wonder if that means we'll see Maya Sundaresh or a version of her anyway.
The conductor should turn out to be Brother Vance, as a surprise twist. He assimilated into the Vex network, through the Infinite Forest, took over, and was biding his time to strike against Saint and Osiris as payback for not even knowing who he was after devoting himself to Osiris for all those years.
I'm not gunna lie when I first seen this scene it really kinda tugged my emotions--- we've seen the lengths Saint has gone for Osiris when dealing with the witch queen. I think he even warned Savathun pretty harshly about what she did, and we know Osiris, as arrogant or... big-headed as he can be- still means well. Osiris really does care for saint, and saint for osiris, so seeing this just really freaking sucks--- I hope Osiris can finally stop being the exposition manual and show us why he was called a prodigy again~ sure he doesn't have his infinite self army--- but he's still got strand, and now he's got Personal enemies.
So, something I noticed before but really so more clearly in the Executive Breach, Saint’s helmet looks very much like one of the less used Vex heads, doesn’t it? Specifically the ‘Precusor’ Vex head, who were supposed one of the earlier types of Vex? Makes me wonder if this is the first Saint to fully under Vex influence, or if it’s happened in the past. They did build him a tomb, after all.
11:57 Saint says his existence is an error etc etc... i think this Episode shoulda include Elsie Bray... she is not a Guardian, just a person who is jumping timelines to other timelines... and has No time to explain why she has No time to explain. Elsie and Saint would probably nag and yap about timelines, existence etc etc. Saint would tell Elsie that the timelines SHE has seen was supposed to happen etc etc. man, i wanna see Elsie and Saint go at each other 😅 Elsie dresses as a Hunter despite not forged by Light and Saint is a Titan, obviously
The Conductor is blurring the lines of what was or has been, according to the Vex, in place of what is. The Vex may have different iterations of the Flower game. Crota or Clovis may have opened a pathway to earlier iterations. The important thing to realize & think about is that in this iteration Osiris found away to save Saint-14 and bring him back. Osiris took his findings and briefed the Guardians about the possibility. The Guardians then took Osiris's plan and executed the mission successfully. Before Cayde-6 brought the ghosts back my first thought was with the Witness's defeat Guardians were no longer needed. The Traveler's gambit worked and now it's free to return gardening. Every Guarding seized the gift that Cayde-6 offered with out question. The Winnower more than likely entertained by use taking these opportunities to shape our reality
During Veil Containment, I threw out the possibility that Maya Sundaresh became Witness 2.0. Glad one of my predictions, or theories, finally came true
Like how much the first storyline of this new saga feels like completely uncharted territory. An old enemy acting completely new, a new enemy with unknown motive’s & established characters feeling unsure
If you read the description of Echoes on the timeline in the game, it says, "Delve into the core of the living planet Nessus, and pursue a ruthless new threat with a familiar face". So whoever the Conductor is, it's someone we've met before. People are speculating that it's Maya, but we have never met her before. Maybe it is her, maybe it's not. Who knows.
What if The Conductor is a version of Saint that didn’t die while trapped in the corridors of time and became the “Vex Messiah” that was manifested by one of the “Echoes” it’s why it questioned Saint’s “legitimacy”
Saint fo sho dyin this episode… jus sayin with the beginning cutscene about Saint’s dream of travelling the universe with Osiris, it just feels like ironic foreshadowing or sumthin
What if it’s Osiris that dies in the episode. What if Osiris sacrifices himself to safe Saint? Besides Osiris is lightless and has only one life left. And it’s only a matter of time until he kicks the bucket
Is there a lore reason why Osiris couldn’t tell me over the radio what was happening instead of making me go to helm only to send me back to where u was already
They had to get the Guardian off of Nessus so the riggers could move in all the new set pieces and change it for the next scene. Haven't you ever acted in a play?
Seems to me, Bungie cannot let go of their Halo roots from a lore standpoint. It's eerie, the "Conductor" is paralleled by the "Primordial" of Halo Lore. And like how the "Primordial" infected "Medicant Bias" with the Logic Plague, It seems the "Conductor" has infected Saint-14 with a similar "Logic Plague", or a Harsh Truth....
I really don't understand why Osiris did not explain to Saint that. He merely grabbed him from an earlier timeline where he was still alive. He cannot be a copy because the vex cannot simulate paracausal energy or the light, so he's definitely the real thing
I cannot wait to fight the conductor and whoever is the enemy in revenant, in the new raid. Would be a very fitting end for both bosses. Splitting the fire team in two to fight one boss at a time and switching per damage phase because of say a debuff for 2 minutes. I really hope they confirm the Maya being the conductor thing. There’s no way they say it’s one of her copies from the vex network or Choi Essie. Choi wouldn’t make sense as why would she do the same thing that maya did, that she despised?
I think Saint means he died before he was an exo not by the vex. The exo’s all have radiolaria that can be influenced. The copy of the copy of a copy sounds like all the different times cayde “died” until cayde 7
Last time she messed around with the Vex thinking she was all high and mighty, the smartest one in the room, she was nothing but a pawn. She was lead to her own death by the Witch Queen. She was so tricked she was broadcasting Savathuns Song across the last city.
Season of plunder...after we collect all the pieces of Nezerac, Mithrax makes a "tea" fot Osiris to drink to fix what Savathun did to him. Well somehow when making this "tea" Mithrax has something happen to him. We don't know the full effect yet as it's been running in the background in a couple different lore tabs. So far his arm has been becoming tingling and I think in pain. Also if I remember correctly he's also having pains in his chest but I could be wrong about that. So by making the tea Mithrax was cursed by the remains of Nezerac.....hope that helps
Soo In this cutscenes why don t they do something like in god of war turn of the player character and just play with camera like in gow for more cinematic feeling. Just asking
As much as I love Saint and Osiris this is now the third major story that involves using there relationship as a keep point in the story. I like that they include things like gay relationships and trans characters like Mika-10 but when companies throw it in my face constantly like nothing else exists then it starts pushing me away. I think Mika was done perfectly though, the characters background and lore is awesome.
Given the threat the Conductor now has against Saint-14's mind as an Exo, what's stopping them lore-wise from brainwashing other Exo Guardians - such as my own Exo Titan?
the "conductor" is definitely maya or at least one of her copies that was let loose in the vex network. i think saint is real but the conductor is messing with his head using her knowledge of exos being made using radiolaria. she probably believes that saint is a copy, the same way she's a copy because we/the guardian saved him from his original fate, which was to die. i personally think that she's corrupted the same way laksmhi-2!maya or og!maya was. it's just pure hubris and ego at play here. she wants to remake earth's golden age in her image, using the echo. nessus is just a testing ground.
Maya was messing around with the Veil, so it’s possible she’s or her simulations in the Vex were the only ones who knew how to harness what came from the Witness.
The samples were a very weak point for the story in my opinion, as well as immersion breaking that the patrol space hasn’t been given the new look. But aside from that when do I get to have maya’s vex milk
I really really dislikes the failsafe dialog this season. She never annoyed me before now, but the changes they made to her really make her unbearable.
I bet the real saints body was just dead but his consciousness was taken by the hive and he's the new vex leader which is why he knows so much about our Saint? Idk im wrong probably wrong.
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The next act better not be us using all the samples to make tea for Saint so he isn't mind controlled...
Instead of Naserac lean, its a Vex milk latte.
Hahaha gold
@@matthewlopez2002vex semen soup
😂😂. Bruh I spat
That's gotta have some bigger implications later for osiris. Like he's had witch Queen of lies in him, and now the nightmare demon.
Oh the Conductor pissed Failsafe off...
I have never thought of Failsafe being pissed, but even I got goosebumps.
@SShiro937 same it's eerie af like I've never heard this part of her
"I like to see you so strong... and murderous" 😂
Imagine a season where Clovis takes control of all exo's, Including guardians and tries to take over.
Well my hunter would be killing everyone one
As interesting of a thought that is, I just don't see anything like it happening. Bungie don't seem like they truly want to do anything that would make us lose more characters after losing Cayde for good this. That's just me.
what even happened to him at the end of seraph did he die
@@lonecalzone6901he got banished to Europa, he can’t interface anywhere else
@@lonecalzone6901 no he’s still on Europa
Maya is trying to become the 2nd Knife, merging with the countless Radiolaria!
Oh noooooo
The Guardian: Ah shit, here we go again.
Oh damn, that reminds me of those story pieces we got week over week out of those data logs, wasn't what she did somewhat similar to how the wittness was created?
@@stuffandthings617 She merged with her fellow scientists, except her wife Chioma Esi. And yes they merged using The Veil as The Witness did. This time it seems like she is leveraging the merged Light and Dark in the Echo to perform the ritual again.
Crazy that we only have one line about Venus. I miss Venus in Destiny so much. I feel like it could have had a great part in this story
Well this has opened an unexpected can of worms, Saint seems to be having an identity crisis.
To add some context for those Guardians that were not around back in 2018 there was a quest line on Mercury that took us to the resting place of Saint-14 within a simulated future conjured by the Infinite Forest. From our perspective back then the Martyr Mind had already drained his light and the vex eventually overwhelmed him, but the Vex seemed to develop something of a respect for saint and so fashioned a tomb for him. Fast forward some time and these events would play out different and we would end up saving Saint and supposedly erasing his tomb from the timeline.
Now I would have assumed that Osiris would have told him about his alternate fate and yet this 'truth' presented to him has shaken the old Titan to his foundations. In truth we cannot confirm if Saint's body no longer exists, unless Osiris removed it from the forest and gave it a proper burial, but even then the body may have ceased to exist once we altered history.
The fact that Saint seemed to accept the truth so easily does not sit right with me and makes me believe that there is some kind of manipulation going on.
He has a point. Our guardian saw a grave stone of Saint. Which imply that the saint from our timeline have died. Looks like Osiris looked through time and found another Saint from a different timeline. This will bring implications.
But at the same time it was a simulated future since Saint is starting to question himself well that should bring up a plethora of questions to ask aswell like is Saints grave really our timeline of Saint or could that be a “fake” Saint too? (Edit: agreed) It definitely opens an entire can of worms.
@@nokturn882agreed it just opens a lot of different possible scenarios now.
rather the respect i think it was fear so they entombed him to keep him in(incase he somehow revived) and to keep everything out i mean he prob killed millions of vex before they finally killed him
I have to wonder if the Witness also had a singular conductor in its collective consciousness, and if that's the same voice we heard refer to itself as "I" instead of "we" at the end of Excision
I think you can fairly assume this is the case. The conductor for the Witness might be one of the Precursors we saw lore about. I can’t remember their code names
So The Conductor is from the original timeline where Saint was dead and she basically infected Saint who our Guardian and Osiris has saved with what is essentially a logic plague that is now causing Saint to have an existential crisis. Add that to the Vex are starting to use more militaristic tactics which could mean they can plot ambushes and last line initiatives. Act I ends with Saint having an existential crisis and the new leader coordinating the Vex in the form of The Conductor.
Back in Season of the Deep where Osiris and Nimbus were going over the logs of Chioma Esi who recorded the experiments conducted on the Veil by the Ishtar Collective led by Maya Sundaresh. Code names involving an orchestra such as a conductor and a chorus were used. Pretty much Dr. Esi watched in horror as Sundaresh continued with the experiments despite many people are dying from it eventually leading Maya to be consumed by it too. It's also known that Maya Sundaresh ever since those Veil experiments have made multiple copies of herself within the Vex network through her studies of the Veil. Those many copies of Maya Sundaresh were all eventually lost in the network leaving only an Exo copy of herself in the form of Lakshmi-2. The Echo may have attracted one copy of Maya Sundaresh allowing her to gain a sense of self with great strength and becoming The Conductor commanding and coordinating the Vex on Nessus creating a new symphony of her own control.
Those logs were the first thing I thought about when Saint mentioned the "Conductor" too.
I hope it's not all the copies merged into one
Chioma Esi was also one of the Copies released into the vex network. If Maya did the same procedure the precursors did to become the Witness, wouldn't she just have joined the witness? become part of it. Then when we broke it apart, she's free again and landed on Nessus.
@@domvasta No, Maya and the Ishtar Collective was mainly making use of the Vex Network concepts for most of their experiments and while Maya did do experiments on the Veil, she created her copies in the Vex Network. Vex Network is not part of the Witness but it's among the Vex minds themselves.
My poor Vex brothers and sisters and i feel bad for Saint i think he needs a hug
Although these episodes seem just like seasons, I am genuinely having a lot of fun with the content.
And just as things were getting interesting, the act finishes😃. Honestly excited to see where this goes.
W season for failsafe
I need Failsafe to become an exo and become a guardian. She would be fun to go on missions with.
@@nokturn882this would be so cool
@@nokturn882you’re not wrong and seeing her flip through the 2 personalities
Hearing saint 14 question himself reminds me of how in Fallout 4, nick valentine is mad how everything that he has is thanks to a man that’s not him
Also even if this is a different Saint we pulled out of the forest what is Saint on about, he isn’t technically the original Saint-14 anyway since he was effectively a different person the instant his ghost resurrected him for the first time.
Well from the mumbling we over hear during this week's mission the Conductor seems to be telling Saint that he's doing damage to this current timeline by existing in it.
So an identity crisis with a side of "my very existence threatens the world."
He *is* the original Saint-14 otherwise he wouldn’t still have use of his light or his ghost since the vex can’t simulate paracausality (the powers of light and dark).
@@HolyAbomination agreed, I feel like the fact saint has Geppetto should be proof enough since the vex could not simulate paracausal forces.
@@Zer0megaXX
And if Bungie goes through with this retcon, this is implying that the vex can now replicate paracausal forces which is an enormous can of worms I don’t think they’ll be able to close.
“We will locate it, and we will make it pay! 😊”
"the copy of a copy of a copy".. NIN vibes
The Conductor is giving Kang The Conqueror vibes
Im now so excited for the rest of the acts. This is a story beat I've been suspecting since Season of Dawn.
If only i cared about it
I believe I figured out the route of this 'act' system
Act 1 - It appears to be a Act 1 will be a investigation part of the story and the end will lead into Act 2
Act 2 - Will be us going into the core of nessus and probably more developments
Act 3 - Probably more of a finale type deal of stuff
This is a interesting way of doing things if I'm being honest. I just wish it was did differently
Cry me a river@@reggielacey2235
@@dropkick3024 well, The episodes are dropping for the first time. Let’s just call these prototype episodes and they may change in the near future. Have to wait and see.
I'm excited too! I was getting Phantom of the Opera vibes for a while. The Echoes stuff just confirmed it. Poor Saint! Quick! We need a healer!
Act 1 is off to a great start story wise, cant wait to see what happens next
What ikora says at the start of the mission is really chilling
Every time Ikora Rey says "this doesn't change anything" to a Titan, her attempt to comfort them doesn't work.
As Zavala said, the only thing she knows about grief is to turn it off, she sucks at comforting people.
I want to take Failsafe with me wherever I go. To keep her uhhh.. safe of course!
Mmmmmmhmmmmmm (I completely agree)
So the curse of Nezarec responds to the invasion of Sant 14 by the Conductor. I fear Mithrax's time grows short!!
Why do I think he will be the antagonist in the next season. Corrupted by the essence of Nezarec.
@@seifer6665 I can see what you mean, but I don't see it myself, if anything I see Mithrax sacrificing himself (and hopefully become the First Eliksni Guardian) before allowing Nezarec full control of him. In any case we already know our main antagonist is going to be Fikrul the Fanatic, and what's occurring to the Scorn.
@@reamoinmcdonachadh9519 but didn't the echos thing say mithrax would help us become a monster hunter to kill scorn and corrupted eliksni
@@johngancarcik5682 Indeed, but that does not prevent some harm to come Mithrax's way. And the Curse of Nezarec is no laughing matter. That it manifests (or seems to) in the presence of an 'Echo' does not bode well for Mithrax!!
@reamoinmcdonachadh9519 look at how powerful nezzy is he feeds off pain and suffering which mithrax is in pain since making nezcafe
Clovis and Maya Sundaresh, if these two meet...
I do believe once she told him to go f himself
and Atraks-1...
Just a imagine a raid with Clovis and Maya as the targets.
Clovis and Maya Sundaresh met many times in the golden age. Maya actually worked for Clovis. They created Exos together.
@@rytr0nious yeah but I mean in the present, in their newer forms.
Ohhhhhh boy. Saint-14 having an identity/existential crisis, and I don't think a reboot into Saint-15 is gonna cut it.
Nezarec has entered Mtithrax's chat
i've also noticed in the pink/violet pools of light on nessus that have the encoded messages in it, a woman's image is seen in it and it looks familiar to the image of the new vex leader in the promo trailer. she also showed up at the end of the mission during this weeks story.
A interesting little detail is that if you stand inside saints Ward of Dawn, you actually can't hear ikora when she initially first starts talking
Those logs in Neomuna from one of its founders were one of the first things I thought of when I heard "Conductor" get thrown around. I wonder if that means we'll see Maya Sundaresh or a version of her anyway.
You see when I heard conductor my mind went there too there is a huge connection here
The conductor should turn out to be Brother Vance, as a surprise twist. He assimilated into the Vex network, through the Infinite Forest, took over, and was biding his time to strike against Saint and Osiris as payback for not even knowing who he was after devoting himself to Osiris for all those years.
I'm not gunna lie when I first seen this scene it really kinda tugged my emotions--- we've seen the lengths Saint has gone for Osiris when dealing with the witch queen. I think he even warned Savathun pretty harshly about what she did, and we know Osiris, as arrogant or... big-headed as he can be- still means well. Osiris really does care for saint, and saint for osiris, so seeing this just really freaking sucks--- I hope Osiris can finally stop being the exposition manual and show us why he was called a prodigy again~ sure he doesn't have his infinite self army--- but he's still got strand, and now he's got Personal enemies.
I can see myself in them that even though i have darkness in me, there is also light and even though im out of place the people i love are my anchor.
This brings up the debate to whether we are living in a simulation.
So, something I noticed before but really so more clearly in the Executive Breach, Saint’s helmet looks very much like one of the less used Vex heads, doesn’t it? Specifically the ‘Precusor’ Vex head, who were supposed one of the earlier types of Vex?
Makes me wonder if this is the first Saint to fully under Vex influence, or if it’s happened in the past. They did build him a tomb, after all.
See you in 20 days
11:57 Saint says his existence is an error etc etc... i think this Episode shoulda include Elsie Bray... she is not a Guardian, just a person who is jumping timelines to other timelines... and has No time to explain why she has No time to explain. Elsie and Saint would probably nag and yap about timelines, existence etc etc. Saint would tell Elsie that the timelines SHE has seen was supposed to happen etc etc. man, i wanna see Elsie and Saint go at each other 😅 Elsie dresses as a Hunter despite not forged by Light and Saint is a Titan, obviously
The Conductor is blurring the lines of what was or has been, according to the Vex, in place of what is. The Vex may have different iterations of the Flower game. Crota or Clovis may have opened a pathway to earlier iterations. The important thing to realize & think about is that in this iteration Osiris found away to save Saint-14 and bring him back. Osiris took his findings and briefed the Guardians about the possibility. The Guardians then took Osiris's plan and executed the mission successfully. Before Cayde-6 brought the ghosts back my first thought was with the Witness's defeat Guardians were no longer needed. The Traveler's gambit worked and now it's free to return gardening. Every Guarding seized the gift that Cayde-6 offered with out question. The Winnower more than likely entertained by use taking these opportunities to shape our reality
During Veil Containment, I threw out the possibility that Maya Sundaresh became Witness 2.0.
Glad one of my predictions, or theories, finally came true
man i havent been more disapointed than ever this week imagine getting mind controlled LMAO, I hope saint get torn apart this season
Well, time for Osiris to find Saint-14 again, but at least this time, he doesn't have to use the time travel thing ( I hope)
Like how much the first storyline of this new saga feels like completely uncharted territory. An old enemy acting completely new, a new enemy with unknown motive’s & established characters feeling unsure
It really helps make one feel we’re going into new territory and that the death of something on the level of the Witness really meant something.
You had the exact same movement pattern as me in this cutscene 😂
Imagine taking over all the exos within the solar system.
If you read the description of Echoes on the timeline in the game, it says, "Delve into the core of the living planet Nessus, and pursue a ruthless new threat with a familiar face". So whoever the Conductor is, it's someone we've met before. People are speculating that it's Maya, but we have never met her before. Maybe it is her, maybe it's not. Who knows.
Brother Vance
I feel like there's gonna be something we're gonna have to do to save Missraks
Failsafe is honestly the most slept on npc of the franchise, i said it
It would be cool that if your guardian was an Exo, You could faintly hear the voice speaking to Saint.
Man I Love Saints and Osiris Relationship. They're so cute together :)
Oh no! Booty Bot is in trouble
Wonder if elsie will get affected since she kind of time traveled and expericed diffrent realities
For a while I thought saint was similar to human form but beginning of this new season he’s a Robot??? Wild
He's always been an Exo. It's in this name, Saint-14. 14 memory reboots prior to his resurrection as a guardian.
Anyone with the “-(x number)” is an Exo. That number refers to how many times they’ve been rebooted.
What if The Conductor is a version of Saint that didn’t die while trapped in the corridors of time and became the “Vex Messiah” that was manifested by one of the “Echoes” it’s why it questioned Saint’s “legitimacy”
It's probably lakshmi-2 and then being revealed to be Maya sundaresh
Is Elsie Bray on play here? Bray family have some messed up timeline on top of family relationship...
Saint fo sho dyin this episode… jus sayin with the beginning cutscene about Saint’s dream of travelling the universe with Osiris, it just feels like ironic foreshadowing or sumthin
What if it’s Osiris that dies in the episode. What if Osiris sacrifices himself to safe Saint? Besides Osiris is lightless and has only one life left. And it’s only a matter of time until he kicks the bucket
Is there a lore reason why Osiris couldn’t tell me over the radio what was happening instead of making me go to helm only to send me back to where u was already
They had to get the Guardian off of Nessus so the riggers could move in all the new set pieces and change it for the next scene. Haven't you ever acted in a play?
Lore reason: Frick you go to the helm 😂 (This is a joke don't hurt me)
@@justinmundy5792 😭😭
Saint-14 found an exo woman to plug his jump drive into. Osiris just jealous
Destiny 2 tricorn is actually just the love triangle between Osiris Saint and the conductor
Seems to me, Bungie cannot let go of their Halo roots from a lore standpoint. It's eerie, the "Conductor" is paralleled by the "Primordial" of Halo Lore. And like how the "Primordial" infected "Medicant Bias" with the Logic Plague, It seems the "Conductor" has infected Saint-14 with a similar "Logic Plague", or a Harsh Truth....
I really don't understand why Osiris did not explain to Saint that. He merely grabbed him from an earlier timeline where he was still alive. He cannot be a copy because the vex cannot simulate paracausal energy or the light, so he's definitely the real thing
I wanna know how NEW radiolarium is formed. How the vex multiply their actual "form"
I cannot wait to fight the conductor and whoever is the enemy in revenant, in the new raid. Would be a very fitting end for both bosses. Splitting the fire team in two to fight one boss at a time and switching per damage phase because of say a debuff for 2 minutes. I really hope they confirm the Maya being the conductor thing. There’s no way they say it’s one of her copies from the vex network or Choi Essie. Choi wouldn’t make sense as why would she do the same thing that maya did, that she despised?
Ok, how much yall wanna bet Saint-14 will pull up a Final Shape Cayde-6?
While I am concerned for Saint that weird reaction from Mithrax is also very worrying. Does anyone know what that was about?
The thing where Mithrax doubles over in pain? He's still suffering from the curse of Nezerec.
That will probably be a big thing in the next Episode. Maybe he’ll become the Alucard to Fikrul’s Dracula.
I think Saint means he died before he was an exo not by the vex. The exo’s all have radiolaria that can be influenced. The copy of the copy of a copy sounds like all the different times cayde “died” until cayde 7
How can Saint wield the light if he's just a simulation? Last I remember, the Vex can't simulate paracausal forces.
What mission is this because my mission seemed to stop
Feels like telling him a truth
I will hold my opinions in the story until the last act. Not a fan of the usual seasonal loop though gameplay wise
Last time she messed around with the Vex thinking she was all high and mighty, the smartest one in the room, she was nothing but a pawn. She was lead to her own death by the Witch Queen. She was so tricked she was broadcasting Savathuns Song across the last city.
How can Osiris TP if he does not have a ghost??
it's called Transmat, anyone can do it if they have access to it
I'm calling it, the conductor is Lakshmi 2 - ask me why then i'll provide my theory
Ok I'll bite. Why? And honestly, I kinda have a feeling that it might be her as well. But I'm interested to hear your theory.
NOT AGAIN
Send him against anyone but the vex, he's 0-2
Seems all the self insert alphabet couples in Destiny are always having issues, based love it
I’m missing a key thing here, what curse of Nezarec? When did it start and what’s it doing? I mean we killed him afterall.
What's interesting about Nezarec is that as long as the idea of fear persists, he will continue to live on. He's like the boogieman in the D2 universe
Season of plunder...after we collect all the pieces of Nezerac, Mithrax makes a "tea" fot Osiris to drink to fix what Savathun did to him. Well somehow when making this "tea" Mithrax has something happen to him. We don't know the full effect yet as it's been running in the background in a couple different lore tabs. So far his arm has been becoming tingling and I think in pain. Also if I remember correctly he's also having pains in his chest but I could be wrong about that. So by making the tea Mithrax was cursed by the remains of Nezerac.....hope that helps
@@jessemusil2978 The cursed Nezcafe-
I hope Mithrax doesn't get killed off in the vampire Fikrul episode
@@jessemusil2978 ohh yeah, been so long I forgot about that. I don’t get too much into the all the lore tabs often. 👍
Isn’t the fact that Saint-14 wields the light proof he is still the same Saint-14. Can Vex replicate the Traveller’s powers outside of a simulation?
I thought thay saint was going to be the conductor before i finished the mission
Soo In this cutscenes why don t they do something like in god of war turn of the player character and just play with camera like in gow for more cinematic feeling.
Just asking
Too bad Asher cant cut her off at the pass. But then he would probably study the phenomena...
subterfuge and manipulation smells like witness
what is going on with osiris head
He bald
I can’t wait for the next act. This story is getting very interesting i wonder if my theories will be correct..
Failsave is kinda sacry and dats kinda hot
As much as I love Saint and Osiris this is now the third major story that involves using there relationship as a keep point in the story. I like that they include things like gay relationships and trans characters like Mika-10 but when companies throw it in my face constantly like nothing else exists then it starts pushing me away. I think Mika was done perfectly though, the characters background and lore is awesome.
Again?!
Given the threat the Conductor now has against Saint-14's mind as an Exo, what's stopping them lore-wise from brainwashing other Exo Guardians - such as my own Exo Titan?
Explanation: Plot armor
To the serial number 😂😂
the "conductor" is definitely maya or at least one of her copies that was let loose in the vex network. i think saint is real but the conductor is messing with his head using her knowledge of exos being made using radiolaria. she probably believes that saint is a copy, the same way she's a copy because we/the guardian saved him from his original fate, which was to die. i personally think that she's corrupted the same way laksmhi-2!maya or og!maya was. it's just pure hubris and ego at play here. she wants to remake earth's golden age in her image, using the echo. nessus is just a testing ground.
Wait a minute.
Echoes. The acts.
Year 7 is a JoJo reference.
Feel like the season story gonna pick up from this point
I just don’t get it how is it Maya. Like this. Came straight outta the witness so how can this be something that’s not part of the witness
Because it doesn't have to be a part of the witness. When Bungie talked about the other episodes they mentioned the echoes being used as weapons.
Maya was messing around with the Veil, so it’s possible she’s or her simulations in the Vex were the only ones who knew how to harness what came from the Witness.
We still don't know the full truth or context of what happened. It's not like this Conductor is trustworthy.
It’s maya sundaresh
I bet it’s Lakshmi
my poor little gay
The samples were a very weak point for the story in my opinion, as well as immersion breaking that the patrol space hasn’t been given the new look. But aside from that when do I get to have maya’s vex milk
I really really dislikes the failsafe dialog this season. She never annoyed me before now, but the changes they made to her really make her unbearable.
I bet the real saints body was just dead but his consciousness was taken by the hive and he's the new vex leader which is why he knows so much about our Saint? Idk im wrong probably wrong.
from what we know and if you did the new version of the Nessus strike with the Psion boss, it's presumably Maya Sundaresh... well a simulation of her
Let’s goo
Do you think Saint 14 is a top or bottom 😂?
That Osiris DLC is playing off greatly year ago
I don’t care because I have a 12 lose streak in trials 😡
Yeaa Saint gone after this season 😂