From a Table Tennis perspective the Chinese “apologize” after a net ball that is unplayable by their opponent. You are just saying sorry you had no chance to play that ball. You are not apologizing for winning the point but as a sportsman would rather hit a clear clean winner than a net cord.
In pickleball, net shot is a challenge shot to return, not impossible shot as table tennis. If your footwork is well prepared, net shot is fun and easy to return. Most of timeline in pickleball player is closer to net, not far away as table tennis.
Awesome Video, I like how you explained what would be a better choice /strategy and also what the teams did well. I can relate to the mistakes Chris did.
🙌Excellent video! Very easy to understand the points with the way you scrubbed back and forth and also annotated the video. ✍ May I ask what video player/analysis software you used for this? Thanks!!
This probably the most helpful pickleball video I’ve ever watched. I took multiple notes from this to my play the very next day and won several games that I would have otherwise lost.
Great video and analysis. Curious if you do remote coaching/video review and analysis. I know I would certainly be interested. Let us know and keep up the good work! Thanks Kyle
Hey there! Thanks for the kind word words. Right now, I don't do any coaching and video review. I'm all in on my training and making content right now!
14:00 I'm at the stage where my drop shot is not bad, but I never believe this, and I stand there and watch it long after I should have started moving forward.
Sick edit, always improving. Very useful now I've started taking lessons to break down the points this way and visualize the strategy in slo-mo. Love the passion for the game, and for your digging at a buddy! See you out at PickleMall again soon, I hope. D Wray
around 8:00 I like the rule of almost always just anticipating a drive because you can react to most drops, but can't react to all drives. sometimes it's pretty obvious, but assuming they just won't drive it probably isn't great.
Love the breakdown. Being a fairly new player of about six months I still do many of these mistakes. While my net game has improved drastically, I still tend to find myself further off the NVZ line than I should be and let the ball bounce if it is slow whereas if closer it would be a quick punch or harder return from the air. But at 69 years old, I think I'm playing as good as many of the local rec players who have been playing for several years. Keep up these excellent videos!
Great video, thanks for the detailed teaching, a lot of good points for us beginners. Watching around minute 13:59, before the backhand he put his foot in the kitchen, is this Ok? Then he does it again in 15:26. Thanks again and congrats on the Pro Contract! many blessings!
For the love of everything I'm so glad someone else thinks we shouldnt have to apologize for hitting the net! Also think you shouldnt have to apologize for hitting someone if you're in a game where everyones skill level is roughly the same.
Like your videos- great breakdowns of skills. Think your analysis of this particular segment was missing one critical component. Although you kept mentioning balance, you neglected to give the correction as to how Chris ( and his partner) could get balanced and ready for their opponents next shot. Split Step! Watch the great players- that split step enables them to get to the ball, on balance, with proper footwork to defend or attack.
that's so good! You're right. In fact, I was just starting to make notes on making a whole video around split stepping! And totally forgot to say it here. Thanks for the addition.
question; could you address the situation where the returner hits a short return but stays on the baseline. I find a good drive doesn't really get me, as a 3rd shot, an advantage. As the baseliner likes a hard drive back to them.
Oo interesting. Yes. Just hit the ball back to the person, hard or soft, that is staying back at the baseline. My guess is, you'll win a majority of those points!
Question about the play @22:03 - The guy hits a great shot and goes around Chris' partner. Who's at fault? Should Chris not have gone cross court when he was behind his partner or is the partner just out of position? This happens a lot where people go around me and I'm not sure what to correct (could be my partner).
The short answer is yes. My opinion: Chris coulda hit to his opponents backhand there. Or better execution on that shot to the middle. ALSO, his partner could have noticed the ball was high, and going to his opponent forehand, so he could have backed up to give himself more time and space to react well so he could make one more ball! HOpe that helps!
I notice one of the players, like many players, have a habit of touching their paddle before or after each shot. Hey, he's a better player than me, so I'm certainly not mocking . . . just noticing a non-essential movement by a good player. ;-) I don't think it's necessary . . . or is it for some sort of paddle positioning reset?
Awesome breakdown! When you said your buddy was a 3.5, I'm new enough to really have no idea what level a person should be. I get a 2-2.5 fairly new, and 4.5-5's are dang good. It's all the in-between? What skills do a person need to be, 3, 3.5, 4? Often I feel like I am somewhere between 2.5-3.5 depending on what specific skill but not sure I have a solid combination be considered 3+, but again ZERO idea on what makes a person a specific number? Perhaps a video on this? Thanks You do know you are the BEST pickleball content guy out there!
Hey, yeah, depending on who you talk too, you'll get a lot of different answers. And now with DUPR, (that's a rating system), that gives people a rating, and that tends to be slightly different than how some people casually talk about ratings. In general, I wouldn't focus on the rating. I'd put attention to understanding positioning, then shot selection, then technique. Improve your ability to hit 3rd shots drops. Improve your ability to hit "reset" shots. And improve your ability to dink at the kitchen. You do that, and you'll be well on your way :)
note from a formal real athlete, if someone who plys pickleball makes fun of you for looking like an athlete while playing pickleball i'm pretty sure the one speaking has only played racquet sports and considers himself an athlete, lol
Appreciate the strategic and mechanical breakdown, but this seems a lot like discrediting another RUclips instructor in the guise of being poking fun at a "buddy".
Glad it was helpful! On the discrediting piece. A little confused, but want to understand. Are you saying I'm discrediting Chris? If so, not my intent at all. (if It came off that way, I messed up). Chris is one of my absolute closest friends and I have the highest respect for the work he does!
Chris looks like legit 3.5 UTPR player. Found out DUPR starts 2.0 which is overrated while UTPR starts at 1.0 rating. Check this out: Ben Johns DUPR vs UTPR DUPR: 7.11 (dubs) 7.17 (singles) UTPR: 6.0 (dubs) 5.5 (singles) DUPR is overrated by 1.0 to 1.5 as you can see.
1) Congrats on the pro contract!! 2) Awesome job with this breakdown! Thanks so much 😀 3) Thanks to Chris and his brother and friends for allowing Kyle to do the analysis of this game. I know from videoing my own games to learn just how painful it is to watch and share, even just with the friends playing. So kudos! Lots of great learning opportunities here for us viewers. Great that you didn't just limit the analysis to Chris but showed cause and effect throughout for all players. 😊
At the 15:14 time, (the guy in the red cap and with the necklace on the far side) he takes a slide backward to hit the ball, previously at 12:47 you call him out for hitting the ball in his back foot. I am trying to differentiate what I see in these two shots. In real time, I don’t think I could spot the difference
This is a great question. I just went back and looked at both examples. At 15:14 - he is hitting a safe dink. In other words, he's conceding the kitchen because the drop is good and he is on his back foot. I'd still rather see him get back first, and be more on balance or getting his weight shifted forward. That's different than 12:47. There, he is on his back foot and his a (somewhat) attacking ball. In this example, if he wants to hit that attacking ball, I'd rather see him back up quickly, then look to hit that ball with his weight shifted back forward, so that he hits a lower trajectory shot AND he's in a good position for when the ball comes back from his opponent. It's subtle, but can make all the difference! Let me know fi you have a follow up question here :)
Agree, video is fantastic. Great insights I would never see. And Chris plays better than people I think are 3.5s. Anyway, thanks a ton for posting this.
Shot awareness from opponents are key to preparing your next stance/ shot. It is the difference that give you that slight advantage and court craft footwork. Getting to shot early is what gives you time to control shots.
Great videos, my Man! I've been working at "Hit" and "Go". Positioning is so critical to "set" your feet properly for the next shot. Wanting to watch your returned shot is dazzling to watch but a bad position for the next shot should over-ride looking at the ball going back.
This breakdown is amazing. There are so many next level tips in this commentary. So many of my shots i just hit without even thinking about, but hearing you say what should be hit and why... just awesome. Thank you
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Please do more of these videos 🫡
Please do more of these
What cameras do you use
Thanks bro!
LOVE this analysis format - please do more! Your insights are very valuable & commentary is very enjoyable, too! Kudos!
Thanks!! More to come
Probably learn the most from your going over film videos like this one!
Thanks for the feedback!!
From a Table Tennis perspective the Chinese “apologize” after a net ball that is unplayable by their opponent. You are just saying sorry you had no chance to play that ball. You are not apologizing for winning the point but as a sportsman would rather hit a clear clean winner than a net cord.
Ahh, thats a good articulation!
In pickleball, net shot is a challenge shot to return, not impossible shot as table tennis. If your footwork is well prepared, net shot is fun and easy to return.
Most of timeline in pickleball player is closer to net, not far away as table tennis.
Awesome Video, I like how you explained what would be a better choice /strategy and also what the teams did well. I can relate to the mistakes Chris did.
Thanks!! Glad it was helpful!
What a legend that Chris is 😎
Agreed!
You and Chris are both legends... Kyle too. Love the content
I like these type of videos! Please do more! 😉
Great to know! I definitely will!
Thank you so much for these play by play breakdown videos! This is exactly what I was looking for, besides "how to" video tutorials. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
LOVE LOVE this style of video! So helpful! Thank you Kyle
Absolutely!
Very useful to see a whole point, with replay and your analysis! More please.
Noted! Glad it was helpful!
As a beginner..this type of teaching video..the replay..the analysis of the play....has been the most helpful.THANK YOU THANK YOU
You're welcome! Glad it was helpful!
🙌Excellent video! Very easy to understand the points with the way you scrubbed back and forth and also annotated the video. ✍ May I ask what video player/analysis software you used for this? Thanks!!
Thanks! And actually, just used one camera, screen recorded, then my editor did edits based on what i was teaching!
These videos are the best to really see what you are explaining! More like this please! As a beginner, theses are most helpful.
Fantastic! Glad it helped!!
Thanks for taking your time and giving us the breakdown. It helps a lot.
Glad it was helpful!
This so good on many levels. Not only helping analyze my own game but also teaching me how to coach certain skills.
More please.
Glad it was helpful!
This probably the most helpful pickleball video I’ve ever watched. I took multiple notes from this to my play the very next day and won several games that I would have otherwise lost.
O wow! Thanks so much. Glad it was helpful.
Curious, what was most helpful part?
Great job Kyle. Really enjoyed that breakdown!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Love, Love, Love the real game analysis! Keep up the clear, concise and humorous commentary. Cheers
Glad you enjoy it!
Really like these types of video analysis thanks
More to come! Thanks!
The post-analysis is freakin amazing. THANK YOU!
Glad you think so!
What a great breakdown video. Going to check your channel right now to see if you have a playlist of these. Well done!
Awesome, thank you!
Love this analysis. Also, Chris rocks!
Chris does rock!
Great video and analysis. Curious if you do remote coaching/video review and analysis. I know I would certainly be interested. Let us know and keep up the good work! Thanks Kyle
Hey there!
Thanks for the kind word words. Right now, I don't do any coaching and video review. I'm all in on my training and making content right now!
14:00 I'm at the stage where my drop shot is not bad, but I never believe this, and I stand there and watch it long after I should have started moving forward.
Don't do that. Move in behind it when you know it's good!
This was so good! Appreciate your videos!
Thanks for watching!
Excellent. Appreciate the great insight and breakdown.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Sick edit, always improving. Very useful now I've started taking lessons to break down the points this way and visualize the strategy in slo-mo. Love the passion for the game, and for your digging at a buddy! See you out at PickleMall again soon, I hope. D Wray
Thank you!! See ya soon
around 8:00 I like the rule of almost always just anticipating a drive because you can react to most drops, but can't react to all drives. sometimes it's pretty obvious, but assuming they just won't drive it probably isn't great.
Love the breakdown. Being a fairly new player of about six months I still do many of these mistakes. While my net game has improved drastically, I still tend to find myself further off the NVZ line than I should be and let the ball bounce if it is slow whereas if closer it would be a quick punch or harder return from the air. But at 69 years old, I think I'm playing as good as many of the local rec players who have been playing for several years. Keep up these excellent videos!
Glad it's helpful!
Very good analysis.
Glad you enjoyed it!
net cords are good plays....top spin and trying to just get it over the top of the net....perfect
Good stuff. I watched the whole thing.
Great job! Very informative and very well done
Glad it helped!
Great video, thanks for the detailed teaching, a lot of good points for us beginners. Watching around minute 13:59, before the backhand he put his foot in the kitchen, is this Ok? Then he does it again in 15:26. Thanks again and congrats on the Pro Contract! many blessings!
Glad it was helpful!
Appreciate this analysis!! Please consider doing a critique of 3.0 players.
I will!
Great lesson!
Thanks! 😃
For the love of everything I'm so glad someone else thinks we shouldnt have to apologize for hitting the net! Also think you shouldnt have to apologize for hitting someone if you're in a game where everyones skill level is roughly the same.
Love this!
Glad to hear it! Thanks for watching!
i think i saw ya at cincy this weekend! Love your videos!
Thanks!!
Like your videos- great breakdowns of skills. Think your analysis of this particular segment was missing one critical component. Although you kept mentioning balance, you neglected to give the correction as to how Chris ( and his partner) could get balanced and ready for their opponents next shot. Split Step! Watch the great players- that split step enables them to get to the ball, on balance, with proper footwork to defend or attack.
that's so good! You're right. In fact, I was just starting to make notes on making a whole video around split stepping! And totally forgot to say it here. Thanks for the addition.
GREAT video analysis and tips, as always...but did I miss where you revealed what you think Chris's REAL TRUE SKILL LEVEL is???
Good question, it wasn’t specific.
It was more like, “dang chris is not a 3.5. Hes wayyy better.” Lol
Kyle, would you be so kind to post a drill for vollying? Form, mechanics, etc.
Ahh, yes, I'll add that to my list of videos to make :)
Great analysis and good game! BTW, they need to make those Minto US Open shirts a bit longer. When I wear mine it's like wearing a crop top!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I need to see a pickleball RUclipsr tournament like some kind of all star game! or even challenges😂
That would be awesome!
question; could you address the situation where the returner hits a short return but stays on the baseline. I find a good drive doesn't really get me, as a 3rd shot, an advantage. As the baseliner likes a hard drive back to them.
Oo interesting. Yes. Just hit the ball back to the person, hard or soft, that is staying back at the baseline. My guess is, you'll win a majority of those points!
Question about the play @22:03 - The guy hits a great shot and goes around Chris' partner. Who's at fault? Should Chris not have gone cross court when he was behind his partner or is the partner just out of position? This happens a lot where people go around me and I'm not sure what to correct (could be my partner).
The short answer is yes.
My opinion: Chris coulda hit to his opponents backhand there. Or better execution on that shot to the middle.
ALSO, his partner could have noticed the ball was high, and going to his opponent forehand, so he could have backed up to give himself more time and space to react well so he could make one more ball!
HOpe that helps!
That was a really good analysis, I always learn something on this channel (thank you) ... BTW: stop picking on Chris 🤣
Thanks for watching!
I notice one of the players, like many players, have a habit of touching their paddle before or after each shot. Hey, he's a better player than me, so I'm certainly not mocking . . . just noticing a non-essential movement by a good player. ;-) I don't think it's necessary . . . or is it for some sort of paddle positioning reset?
Might just be a paddle positioning reset.
Awesome breakdown! When you said your buddy was a 3.5, I'm new enough to really have no idea what level a person should be. I get a 2-2.5 fairly new, and 4.5-5's are dang good. It's all the in-between? What skills do a person need to be, 3, 3.5, 4? Often I feel like I am somewhere between 2.5-3.5 depending on what specific skill but not sure I have a solid combination be considered 3+, but again ZERO idea on what makes a person a specific number? Perhaps a video on this? Thanks You do know you are the BEST pickleball content guy out there!
Hey, yeah, depending on who you talk too, you'll get a lot of different answers. And now with DUPR, (that's a rating system), that gives people a rating, and that tends to be slightly different than how some people casually talk about ratings.
In general, I wouldn't focus on the rating. I'd put attention to understanding positioning, then shot selection, then technique.
Improve your ability to hit 3rd shots drops.
Improve your ability to hit "reset" shots.
And improve your ability to dink at the kitchen. You do that, and you'll be well on your way :)
@@thatpickleballguy Thanks Kyle. Agreed , not focused on ratings. Just too new to understand them completely. Keep up the great work!
Only 3.5? If so, I suck. LOL
haha, nah, he's more like a 4.5
note from a formal real athlete, if someone who plys pickleball makes fun of you for looking like an athlete while playing pickleball i'm pretty sure the one speaking has only played racquet sports and considers himself an athlete, lol
First
Chris is sooooo bad.
Appreciate the strategic and mechanical breakdown, but this seems a lot like discrediting another RUclips instructor in the guise of being poking fun at a "buddy".
Glad it was helpful!
On the discrediting piece. A little confused, but want to understand. Are you saying I'm discrediting Chris?
If so, not my intent at all. (if It came off that way, I messed up). Chris is one of my absolute closest friends and I have the highest respect for the work he does!
Great video! I have 5.0 mixed game I would love for you to critique!
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Chris looks like legit 3.5 UTPR player. Found out DUPR starts 2.0 which is overrated while UTPR starts at 1.0 rating.
Check this out: Ben Johns DUPR vs UTPR
DUPR: 7.11 (dubs) 7.17 (singles)
UTPR: 6.0 (dubs) 5.5 (singles)
DUPR is overrated by 1.0 to 1.5 as you can see.
He is a legit 3.5 utpr player. And player in general :)
1) Congrats on the pro contract!!
2) Awesome job with this breakdown! Thanks so much 😀
3) Thanks to Chris and his brother and friends for allowing Kyle to do the analysis of this game. I know from videoing my own games to learn just how painful it is to watch and share, even just with the friends playing. So kudos!
Lots of great learning opportunities here for us viewers. Great that you didn't just limit the analysis to Chris but showed cause and effect throughout for all players. 😊
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Kyle: excellent breakdown of points. Keep it up….please
Will do! Thanks for the kind words
Great video Kyle, please do more of these film breakdowns.
Glad it helped!! I"ll do more!
Absolutely love the post mortem for every point. This is EXTREMELY helpful. TY!!
Glad it was helpful!
At the 15:14 time, (the guy in the red cap and with the necklace on the far side) he takes a slide backward to hit the ball, previously at 12:47 you call him out for hitting the ball in his back foot. I am trying to differentiate what I see in these two shots. In real time, I don’t think I could spot the difference
This is a great question. I just went back and looked at both examples.
At 15:14 - he is hitting a safe dink. In other words, he's conceding the kitchen because the drop is good and he is on his back foot. I'd still rather see him get back first, and be more on balance or getting his weight shifted forward.
That's different than 12:47. There, he is on his back foot and his a (somewhat) attacking ball. In this example, if he wants to hit that attacking ball, I'd rather see him back up quickly, then look to hit that ball with his weight shifted back forward, so that he hits a lower trajectory shot AND he's in a good position for when the ball comes back from his opponent.
It's subtle, but can make all the difference!
Let me know fi you have a follow up question here :)
Your Breakdowns are very helpful. Court IQ is so tough for me, this helps. Edits skills are next level. All in good fun with Chris.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video. Learned a lot. But these guys all look 4.0 +. Even Chris. 3.5’s don’t have his shots or consistency
Agree, video is fantastic. Great insights I would never see. And Chris plays better than people I think are 3.5s. Anyway, thanks a ton for posting this.
Glad it was helpful!
The 3.5 at best is a running joke...
Love your videos man! Keep em coming K$ (yeah I just gave you that nickname). You're welcome
Glad you enjoy them!
Shot awareness from opponents are key to preparing your next stance/ shot. It is the difference that give you that slight advantage and court craft footwork. Getting to shot early is what gives you time to control shots.
Great point!
Great job editing Kyle’s freelancer, from your fan from cincy tourney 😊.
Kyle great job as always. Hope you had safe travels
Thanks so much!!
great breakdown. Makes it so much easier to see what's happening and transfer that information to my game.
Glad to hear it!
Great videos, my Man!
I've been working at "Hit" and "Go". Positioning is so critical to "set" your feet properly for the next shot. Wanting to watch your returned shot is dazzling to watch but a bad position for the next shot should over-ride looking at the ball going back.
Good thoughts here!
A lot of work obviously went into making this video. Thanks so much.
Hey John! Thank you! I had fun making it
This breakdown is amazing. There are so many next level tips in this commentary. So many of my shots i just hit without even thinking about, but hearing you say what should be hit and why... just awesome. Thank you
Thanks for watching. So glad it helped!
Really enjoyed this video. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
"Let's do away with net cord apologies" Lulz. Why? what's wrong with apologizing?
No one's buying that you're actually sorry.
No one means it