Would love to see a remake of this video now time has passed for you to reflect. The steps you took and how you’d go about it different, plus ways people can get caught out
Extremely helpful. We are just beginning the process and this article has given us a lot of helpful tips. The barn we have had our offer accepted on is steel framed but we now find not structurally sound so the journey to the next stage begins. You do remind us of Michael Caine in your delivery on You Tube (in a good way) though no mention of 'blowing the bloody doors off!' Thank you for taking the time to share and help others
What a nightmare, but really interesting too. Amazing how easily self builders can come unstuck by making a simple mistake, while trying to carefully work with the rules and do the job properly. Thanks for sharing. It must've been awful to go through it, and thanks for not editing it. 🙂
Wow, just saw this, sorry to hear you went through that mate! It's infuriating when something you're doing is not criticised on any practical ground but instead as a formality and a bunch arbitrary paper work. ''You're doing exactly what we said you can do, except now there is this extra piece of paper that wasn't there before so you can't do it. Have fun!''. Insane
What a faff! But it’s great that you’ve been able to get going again! I’d gone to watch through the shed build again to see if there was anything I’d missed, and to get tips about starting to plan a rebuild of my extension. The vids, there they were, gone! Lol.
I'll get the other videos back up soon. They are only set to 'private' but I need to adjust a few of the thumbnails as the format is incorrect for certain devices.
A bit late to the party but what a roller coaster! Kudos for getting the result! Enjoy the content, and if you are willing to share, it would be really helpful to hear how the self build financing side of things worked? As that can be another complex process. thanks
Thanks buddy 👍 there's not much to say on the financing front, we don't have any lending on this but did remortgage a flat for some funds and sold another.
Watching this a few months later and I thought a couple of points of additional clarification might help: The planning committee (made up of local councillors) is ultimately where the council's planning application decisions are made, by a simple majority vote. In the vast majority of cases, they delegate this power to the planning officers and planning team in the council - but any councillor has the right to ask for any planning application to be considered before the planning committee for them to vote on. They will routinely do this for controversial planning applications (so 'democracy can be seen in action etc'). The planning committee can (and do) over rule the recommendations of the planning officers (both to reject or approve). So getting your local councillor on board is the easiest way to get this support. If your local councillor was meeting with the head of planning, then chances are this is because they are on the planning committee and so in a pretty powerful position to help. Planning consultants can be worth their weight in gold - and many are ex-council employees. They not only know the right people to talk to, but also the right language - e.g. it's not a structural issue you are resolving, but rather significantly increasing the energy efficiency to meet the councils policy aims around their declared climate emergency. And finally if the council does refuse, you have to right to appeal to the planning inspectorate (part of the national government). Planning inspectors tend to have a very pragmatic view of the world (to a fault), and they have to follow the "presumption in favour of sustainable development" of the national planning policy. This is similar to how the odds are always stacked in a casino's favour. If all else is equal, then the casino wins (planning is permitted). The fact you saved the frame (and documented to re-use it), and the fact your full application was identical to the rebuild one already granted is probably what saved your bacon, as it would have put a refusal from the council on thin ice.
Thanks for your considered and detailed comment John. Its good to have more clarification for anyone watching this or reading comments in the future. There was another reason why planning was granted too which is probably worth mentioning: They had already counted it towards their housing stock after granting the initial planning application
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT That will definitely have helped. We had our own nightmares with our planning application for an extension (to include a granny annexe). After 4 months of telling us they were going to reject it, they completely changed their minds the night before they were going to issue the decision and approved it - we suspect in part because we our planning consultant let the council know we were fully prepared to appeal, and the council had recently lost a string of appeals against this planning consultant (which is why we chose them in the first place). And while we didn't stand to lose as much financially, we had only bought the house because it had the space to build a granny annex (after spending years searching), so the time and emotions invested were quite high - I definitely felt your pain watching this back, but glad it's worked out for you in the end.
Hi Aiden, thanks for the video. Extremely informative! About to go through this process myself, but straight for full planning on some red brick barns. You spoke about a 25%increase on the footprint via amendments to an application. Just wondering if you can tell me where you found this info? Cheers, Harry.
Hi, unfortunately there's nothing set in stone and it's kind of something that is open to interpretation for each local authority. You kind of need to read between the lines of your local authorities guidance. If you Google 'minor ammendments to planning applications' you'll find some details on how they are dealt with. A local planning consultant (who is hopefully ex council) should be able to give you an indication on how far you can push it.
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT okay thanks, I'll ask them! Appreciate the quick response. I too struggle to see the logic of not allowing a rebuild ('new build') of existing buildings for ease of development, environmentally and economically .
@@hjshepherd2051 well if you can get permitted development (class q) first then you can go for a demolition and new build full application after hey. I suppose it all depends on what you're starting with and whether it needs expensive underpinning etc. Good luck with the planning though mate, it's quite stressful 😂
Thanks. As we bought it with class q I haven't had to deal with this part of it. However, I know the initial architectural designer that got it was an ex building inspector for the area. So I think it helps if they have inside experience. If you found a local independent planning consultant they are usually ex planning officers so will know the system. The planning consultant I spoke to was the ex Head of enforcement so knew the system, tricks and precedents. It seems that different councils interpret the legislations in different ways which doesn't help. Plus the opinions of planning officers as individuals can be wildly different. You should be able to find details of previous class q planning applications on your councils website, then check through the documents and find out which architects got it through. So local knowledge is best really and combine services of a planning consultant and architect. That article I linked above from the planning blog has a few articles about class q and examples of case law which may be helpful
Glad things are progressing again. In Canada they call it “urban sprawl” and set rules as well to discourage you from building in the country therefore we have packed subdivisions where your neighbor is within hand shaking distance. Things like policing, firefighting, schooling, garbage pickup, snow plowing, etc are the apparent reasons that add significant costs to the local community because your now more than a handshake away 🙂
Ah that's interesting. For some reason I assumed things were easier over there. I can understand these things to a certain extent, I was just frustrated that they had already given permission previously. Plus I do have 2 close neighbours which will hardly make a difference to services and we're only a 5 minute drive to the local supermarket. In London our closest supermarket is more than 5 minutes drive! 😂
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT in my home province is seems that minimum lot size for severance from an existing farm is set at 40 hectares & in special circumstances to 10 hectares for smaller farming operations (ie. Mushroom farming) so the emphasis is to maintain the farmland for farming only and not residential type development.
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT that’s difficult to answer as location is the big determining factor. If it is located around say Toronto, Ontario where future subdivisions will be built I personally know of one 150 acre farm selling for over $20 million. In rural areas away from major cities prices can range from 6 figures to 7 figures for a 100+ acre farm. Again I am not a real estate person but have occasionally noticed these types of prices.
So interesting. I found your channel by chance when looking for some cheaper way to get insulated plasterboard, I'm now heaviliy invested in your life...haha. Subbed. BTW, are you originally from Pompey, you certainly sound like it!
Hi mate 👍 at some point I'm actually going to stick some insulation to plasterboard 😂 so that'll be a new video. Pompey? I've never heard that before, I grew up in Dagenham 😅
Haha maybe being stoned at that point would have helped. I assume you're referring to the beginning of the video. At the point of filming that clip we was going to lose 450k and there was little hope of recovering the situation. So yeah, I was abit spaced out 🙈
You were lucky, I bought a house and replaced it but West Devon Planning put me through 5 years of hell. What I learnt before I started is that if you don’t have planning approval for a replacement dwelling then as soon as you demolish the old place all rights to build are void! I’ve heard many stories of people getting caught out like that!
Would love to see a remake of this video now time has passed for you to reflect. The steps you took and how you’d go about it different, plus ways people can get caught out
Extremely helpful. We are just beginning the process and this article has given us a lot of helpful tips. The barn we have had our offer accepted on is steel framed but we now find not structurally sound so the journey to the next stage begins. You do remind us of Michael Caine in your delivery on You Tube (in a good way) though no mention of 'blowing the bloody doors off!'
Thank you for taking the time to share and help others
Hope you get everything sorted 🤞 you'll get there in the end
Wonderful, wonderful and even more wonderful, no waffle here my friend exceptionally use full.
What a nightmare, but really interesting too. Amazing how easily self builders can come unstuck by making a simple mistake, while trying to carefully work with the rules and do the job properly. Thanks for sharing. It must've been awful to go through it, and thanks for not editing it. 🙂
Wow, just saw this, sorry to hear you went through that mate! It's infuriating when something you're doing is not criticised on any practical ground but instead as a formality and a bunch arbitrary paper work. ''You're doing exactly what we said you can do, except now there is this extra piece of paper that wasn't there before so you can't do it. Have fun!''. Insane
It's character building hey 😁
What a faff! But it’s great that you’ve been able to get going again! I’d gone to watch through the shed build again to see if there was anything I’d missed, and to get tips about starting to plan a rebuild of my extension. The vids, there they were, gone! Lol.
I'll get the other videos back up soon. They are only set to 'private' but I need to adjust a few of the thumbnails as the format is incorrect for certain devices.
A bit late to the party but what a roller coaster! Kudos for getting the result!
Enjoy the content, and if you are willing to share, it would be really helpful to hear how the self build financing side of things worked? As that can be another complex process. thanks
Thanks buddy 👍 there's not much to say on the financing front, we don't have any lending on this but did remortgage a flat for some funds and sold another.
Watching this a few months later and I thought a couple of points of additional clarification might help:
The planning committee (made up of local councillors) is ultimately where the council's planning application decisions are made, by a simple majority vote. In the vast majority of cases, they delegate this power to the planning officers and planning team in the council - but any councillor has the right to ask for any planning application to be considered before the planning committee for them to vote on. They will routinely do this for controversial planning applications (so 'democracy can be seen in action etc'). The planning committee can (and do) over rule the recommendations of the planning officers (both to reject or approve). So getting your local councillor on board is the easiest way to get this support. If your local councillor was meeting with the head of planning, then chances are this is because they are on the planning committee and so in a pretty powerful position to help.
Planning consultants can be worth their weight in gold - and many are ex-council employees. They not only know the right people to talk to, but also the right language - e.g. it's not a structural issue you are resolving, but rather significantly increasing the energy efficiency to meet the councils policy aims around their declared climate emergency.
And finally if the council does refuse, you have to right to appeal to the planning inspectorate (part of the national government). Planning inspectors tend to have a very pragmatic view of the world (to a fault), and they have to follow the "presumption in favour of sustainable development" of the national planning policy. This is similar to how the odds are always stacked in a casino's favour. If all else is equal, then the casino wins (planning is permitted). The fact you saved the frame (and documented to re-use it), and the fact your full application was identical to the rebuild one already granted is probably what saved your bacon, as it would have put a refusal from the council on thin ice.
Thanks for your considered and detailed comment John. Its good to have more clarification for anyone watching this or reading comments in the future. There was another reason why planning was granted too which is probably worth mentioning: They had already counted it towards their housing stock after granting the initial planning application
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT That will definitely have helped. We had our own nightmares with our planning application for an extension (to include a granny annexe). After 4 months of telling us they were going to reject it, they completely changed their minds the night before they were going to issue the decision and approved it - we suspect in part because we our planning consultant let the council know we were fully prepared to appeal, and the council had recently lost a string of appeals against this planning consultant (which is why we chose them in the first place). And while we didn't stand to lose as much financially, we had only bought the house because it had the space to build a granny annex (after spending years searching), so the time and emotions invested were quite high - I definitely felt your pain watching this back, but glad it's worked out for you in the end.
@John Mitchell thanks John 👍 they don't make it easy do they 🙄 it does seem they like to inflict maximum anxiety
Very good information thank you for taking the time to write all this down.
Hi Aiden, thanks for the video. Extremely informative! About to go through this process myself, but straight for full planning on some red brick barns. You spoke about a 25%increase on the footprint via amendments to an application. Just wondering if you can tell me where you found this info? Cheers, Harry.
Hi, unfortunately there's nothing set in stone and it's kind of something that is open to interpretation for each local authority. You kind of need to read between the lines of your local authorities guidance. If you Google 'minor ammendments to planning applications' you'll find some details on how they are dealt with. A local planning consultant (who is hopefully ex council) should be able to give you an indication on how far you can push it.
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT okay thanks, I'll ask them! Appreciate the quick response. I too struggle to see the logic of not allowing a rebuild ('new build') of existing buildings for ease of development, environmentally and economically .
@@hjshepherd2051 well if you can get permitted development (class q) first then you can go for a demolition and new build full application after hey. I suppose it all depends on what you're starting with and whether it needs expensive underpinning etc. Good luck with the planning though mate, it's quite stressful 😂
well done..good to have you back for mia....any other tips on getting the class q in the first place? i maybe going through a similar situation
Thanks. As we bought it with class q I haven't had to deal with this part of it. However, I know the initial architectural designer that got it was an ex building inspector for the area. So I think it helps if they have inside experience. If you found a local independent planning consultant they are usually ex planning officers so will know the system. The planning consultant I spoke to was the ex Head of enforcement so knew the system, tricks and precedents. It seems that different councils interpret the legislations in different ways which doesn't help. Plus the opinions of planning officers as individuals can be wildly different. You should be able to find details of previous class q planning applications on your councils website, then check through the documents and find out which architects got it through. So local knowledge is best really and combine services of a planning consultant and architect. That article I linked above from the planning blog has a few articles about class q and examples of case law which may be helpful
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT thanks .... Can't wait to see how you get on ... Keep up the great content
Glad things are progressing again. In Canada they call it “urban sprawl” and set rules as well to discourage you from building in the country therefore we have packed subdivisions where your neighbor is within hand shaking distance. Things like policing, firefighting, schooling, garbage pickup, snow plowing, etc are the apparent reasons that add significant costs to the local community because your now more than a handshake away 🙂
Ah that's interesting. For some reason I assumed things were easier over there. I can understand these things to a certain extent, I was just frustrated that they had already given permission previously. Plus I do have 2 close neighbours which will hardly make a difference to services and we're only a 5 minute drive to the local supermarket. In London our closest supermarket is more than 5 minutes drive! 😂
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT in my home province is seems that minimum lot size for severance from an existing farm is set at 40 hectares & in special circumstances to 10 hectares for smaller farming operations (ie. Mushroom farming) so the emphasis is to maintain the farmland for farming only and not residential type development.
@@williammcrae3177 that's a big peice of land! How much does land go for over there?
@@THE-AIDEN-PROJECT that’s difficult to answer as location is the big determining factor. If it is located around say Toronto, Ontario where future subdivisions will be built I personally know of one 150 acre farm selling for over $20 million. In rural areas away from major cities prices can range from 6 figures to 7 figures for a 100+ acre farm. Again I am not a real estate person but have occasionally noticed these types of prices.
So interesting. I found your channel by chance when looking for some cheaper way to get insulated plasterboard, I'm now heaviliy invested in your life...haha. Subbed. BTW, are you originally from Pompey, you certainly sound like it!
Hi mate 👍 at some point I'm actually going to stick some insulation to plasterboard 😂 so that'll be a new video.
Pompey? I've never heard that before, I grew up in Dagenham 😅
The law has now changed for this though?? Thanks to Clarkson
There hasn't been any changes that make any difference to class q and what I went through
How stoned are you!
Haha maybe being stoned at that point would have helped. I assume you're referring to the beginning of the video. At the point of filming that clip we was going to lose 450k and there was little hope of recovering the situation. So yeah, I was abit spaced out 🙈
You were lucky, I bought a house and replaced it but West Devon Planning put me through 5 years of hell. What I learnt before I started is that if you don’t have planning approval for a replacement dwelling then as soon as you demolish the old place all rights to build are void!
I’ve heard many stories of people getting caught out like that!