The REAL Reason The Toronto Blue Jays Signed Max Scherzer...
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- The Toronto Blue Jays just made a move that is being loved by some, and questioned by others. The Blue Jays have been searching for starting pitcher depth for several weeks now, even more than getting another big bat. We talked to Shi Davidi recently on our podcast who agreed with us that the Blue Jays are prioritizing starting pitching depth. And that manifested itself into Max Scherzer. If you’re wondering why the Blue Jays signed a 40 year old pitcher at the end of his career in Max Scherzer… well. Here’s why...
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Yes, he’s had injuries; and Yes, he’s 40 (turning 41 later this year).
But even in these later years, he has shown himself to be a “workhorse” pitcher, he knows who he is, and if he didn’t believe he has something left in the tank he would have retire already.
The man may not be the Ace pitcher anymore, but he has experience, intensity, and a level of professionalism which would be felt by everyone around him.
Honestly, I’m happy to bring him in, and let’s give him a chance to show what he can do.
Mad Max is here! And the Fury Road….. now runs through Toronto!
Having his veteran presence for some of these young and upcoming pitchers will be priceless! Reminds me of the Jays signing David Price back in the day.. I might need a Blue Jays Max Scherzer jersey now!
@@frontierfishingwithRyanMacD David Price Won ballgames for them
I think some things need to be clarified. Max Scherzer was dominant as recently as 2022.
In 2023 he was worth 3.2 WAR and had a 3.77 ERA in 27 starts.
Last year was the first time since his rookie season that he didn't make at least 23 starts (not including the covid season of 2020).
Even his stats over the last 2 seasons make him a top 3 starter on nearly every team in baseball.
Lastly; Charlie Morton and Justin Turner both were effective last year at 40+ and have consistently been good for most of their careers. Justin Verlander didn't do well last year but had arguably his best season ever in 2023 at 40.
Other players that are still ranging from good to excellent that will reach 40 this year or next are David Robertson, Adam Ottavino, Carlos Santana and Daniel Bard.
Max Scherzer is always prepared and always a bulldog on the mound. I'm super excited to get to see him pitch all year for Toronto and I know he's going to be awesome!
Randy Johnson had a perfect game at age 40. Quite a few pitchers have had success in their 40s, so it's funny how a lot of people seem to think that age 40 is a death sentence for MLB careers.
I've also noticed that a lot of people have been fooled by misreading Baseball Reference, believing that his stints with the Rangers and Mets in 2023 were two separate, full seasons. I've seen several people quoting those as his 2022 and 2023 seasons.
I'm all about it just for his different colour eyes. :P
Grab Pete and extend Vladdy and this is an A++ offseason
That would be so sick but from what is because said Pete will stay in NY
Simply isn't happening. Tax allocation is already $250 mil. That's a $10 mil tax bill. Alonso, who already isn't a great fit after the Santander acquisition, takes that tax allocation up to, let's be conservative, $273 mil. Vlad's current tax hit is $28.5 mil. He turned down $340 mil. If an extension happens his tax his will likely raise by AT LEAST $10 mil, taking the Jays to $283
Those Alonso and Vlad estimates are conservative
Jays can afford it. But they don't want to pay the taxes that would come with a payroll over $283 million. Closest team I can find as a comp with calculated tax bill, Mets at $291 mil, est tax bill of over $32 mil
And if the Alonso deal was coming it would have been done. So now what does three aging pitchers and one bat make this offseason.
@@robertfry8025 bruh max is a great addition it’s not for the pitching part really
@Miamibetter sorry I don't agree
Mad max is gonna be walking out to the mound to talk with pitchers instead of Pete walker 💀
Why? What does this mean?
@@Mitch-ui8pshe was joking
I think Max drank too much beer If he thinks this team can win. I don’t see it still.
Nobody else was giving Scherzer $15 million to throw less than 100 innings at age 41. It will be interesting to see him freak out when he’s lifted from a game at least.
He was lifted from games in Texas and didn't throw fits; nor did he when with the Mets. He hasn't taken off his pants since the Nats. He really has calmed down the past few years. But he is really, really valuable with the youngsters on the team and most people don't consider that as part of the equation.
I think you’re wrong. His primary motivation is simply to go out having a solid season. He doesn’t want last year to be the end. Secondary is playing for a competitive team which is why this close to spring training he is ending up on the Jays because we are a potentially competitive team and we’re actually offering him a contract and a spot in the rotation. It’s simply not just some wildly competitive veteran only coming back for one real shot at a championship. Scherzer isn’t delusional. A 2025 Jays team that makes the playoffs and wins playoff games would be just as surprising to him as us.
I Max Scherzer will bring back Josh Donaldson's energy
@@CycloneBurnesMusic whatever
Jays will be lucky to make the Wild Card, if you're really going for it sign Alonso/Bregman
Will be a great influence on young pitchers. He's a winner.
Unfortunately TO doesn't have any good young PROSPECTS with Ricky T out 4 the year
Ja, er ist in die Jahre gekommen und womöglich nicht mehr fitteste Spieler. Dennoch bin ich der Meinung, dass er mehr drauf hat als viele andere in der Mannschaft. Gut, fünfzehn Millionen sind nicht ohne, aber wenn er dazu beiträgt, dass die Blue Jays in der Tabelle wieder nach oben kommen, dann sind es mir (als ein Fan) die fünfzehn Millionen wert. So, wie die letzte Saison war, hat keiner mehr Lust sich ein Spiel anzusehen. Hoffentlich wird diese Spielsaison besser als 2024. Liebe Grüße aus Österreich.
OK, I'm warming up to it. 😉
I would ask Max to sit until mid July, get him on the stretch run
Three wack jobs on your starting pitching staff..what could go wrong...regards from Bill Lee
Bill Lee, the Legend! :)
Since Max was 35 he has had a WHIP of 0.820 to 1.115 a year ago, and still averages 9+ strikeouts per 9 innings. You could not do that if you were washed up. Jays should keep Y Rod in the starting rotation and go to a 6 man rotation. Bassitt and Gausman would like that and Max would last longer until he runs out of gas. By then Alec Manoah would be ready to resume his young career.
@@alanmurr6562 Manoah is done he's Sanchez all over. And so Scherzer will strike out 40 batters in his 40, if he makes it there, innings. Lots of pitchers strike out lots of batters and still lose, you can't strike them all out. Scherzer does not make this team any better on the field.
@@alanmurr6562 35 yrs are a long long way from about to be 41
@@robertfry8025 For some reason you only want to hope the FO stanks or Toronto stanks etc. Manoah is NOT done. If you were paying attention last year Manoah came back after losing 50 pounds and was lights out again, but then fked his arm up. But because u are only a casual fan, you didn't hear about that. Max is in the top 10 of strike out pitchers. Over the hill pitchers can make it back short term, but they are not strike out pitchers like Max. They HOPE N PRAY their buddies catch the line drives they give up etc. If a pitcher strikes out a lot of hitters and still loses as u say, it is because the team he is pitching for could not score any runs. Its not indicative that he is old and no good and washed up like u want to paint for some g d reason???
@@robertfry8025 HEY my point was some dumb bells think 35 is washed up. In Max 35 th year and 36th year and 37th year AND 38th year AND G D 39th year Max had a WHIP NO LESS THAN THE WHIP HE HAD LAST SEASON OF 1.115. That is PERFECT! He didn't get worse during all of those years of being an old washed up pitcher like u want to call him, and MY GOD fcking Aaraon Sanchez and Manoah HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON??????????????? One was a pusy, the other is a butt kicker.
We were the only team to be negative WAR from pitching in 2024. -0.1.
Max has had multiple years of ERA+ higher than any of the other starters have ever had - all after he turned 35.
No guarantees, but even if he pitched 100 innings, you're damn sure they'll be good ones.
People focus so much on the offense, which was 3 WAR better than the 2016 playoff team and that's without Bo, Santander, Gimenez and whoever else they add.
This offense/defense will probably be the best we ever had if they perform to expectations. (In terms of WAR)
The Jays scored 671 runs in 2024 (23rd in MLB), and scored 759 runs in 2016 (9th in MLB). The offence in 2016 was better.
I agree with everything else. This team has a legitimate chance to make playoffs this year. Especially if we add Alonso, and get a good season out of everybody
@mcfarlac1 according to WAR(baseball reference) we had 27 war from the lineup/defense last year. I know it was heavily defensive in comparison to other, which is hard to truly value.
The thing about WAR, is that there is only 1000 to go around. All WAR is good. 33 per team in average.
Teams in the 43-50 WAR range (off/def/pitch) generally make the playoffs.
In 92,93, 2015, 2021-23, our off/def war was remarkably similar. 30-33.
The pitching was anywhere between 13-20+.
We were only 5 o/dWAR off of the pace last year. Bo/Gimenez offers 5 each and Santander offers 4. Over 10 of which should be offensive. Theoretically we could hit 35+
Pitching went from 13 (with the best rotation) to 0 WAR.
Because the offense isn't as potent as it was , we need the pitching to rebound and protect as many runs as possible.
In 2022, we had 2 starters with 5+ era. We probably can't bury that again
@mcfarlac1 and to be honest, in 2021 we had like 32 o/d war and 20 pitching. 50+ total and missed the playoffs by a game lol
So the math isn't always perfect, but it's a solid foundation to follow and makes sense of the Gimenez trade (because he was the worst hitter and still had 2 oWar, not to mention the D.)
I don't blame anyone for not trusting the math the same as me. Lol
@@eshep71 I guess I just look at WAR on an individual player level, especially this time of year. It gives a rough way of comparing a position player to a bullpen guy or starter.
If I was to compare teams I would use run differential or win totals. Your way is another way of looking at things.
@mcfarlac1 I respect that. I use those too. But Even then, we have to have added (with Bo recovering) upwards of 150+ runs.. on the conservative side.
With a shut down staff, that run differential changes.
We were 6th in baseball, 3rd in the AL(NY,Bal) in non pitcher WAR... Which is kinda impressive considering how bad it seemed (and it was well below our expectations)
I'll tell the truth: we have a misguided front office, AND most of the holes in this team aren't really plugged yet. Scherzer is not the silver bullet, and more of an overhaul in the team can get us closer to being what we once were. Mad Max is a legend, but he's had injuries lately and I think that'll reflect, so we should've been more aggressive and got Shanahan + Atkins the pink slip already. Replace people up and down who need replacing. Anybody who thinks Scherzer is the answer to our woes needs to think again - and I'll be honest, Toronto needs a new identity.
He must know something behind the scenes
to get bregman or Alonso as they are all Scott boras
He signed because he got more money than Justin Verlander, that is the reason. No one else would give him that kind of money. Wasn't this the guy who refused to pitch in a playoff game, a game 6 and the Mets couldn't get rid of him fast enough? Good luck, he joined the team for half a million that's about it.
Mm, as a Met fan we wanted to get rid of him to save 50% of his contract and also get a good prospect back from a team trying to make a World Series run
Regarding game 6 with the Dodgers, I mean he said it was arm fatigue. Quite the vet and knows his body. It kinda seems like you're questioning his competitiveness, and that's just ridiculous. The dude is a competitive psychopath. If he thought he was going to get hurt or be ineffective it's hard to question it
@@BKDBut A game six in a playoffs you push through. You have the offseason to recover. Curt Schilling played with a stitched up ankle. If you cant push through then you arent worth it.
@TheEWFX29 lol ok
@ Yeah ok. That is the difference on being a leader and a gamer. Not just there to collect a check. Obviously you never played sports.
@@TheEWFX29 hahaha. Imagine saying Scherzer's not a leader or gamer. What a clown. Lol
Toronto Gamblers. The odds of having Gausman, Bassitt and Scherzer remaining healthy throughout the year is LOW. They need big bats to compensate. Signing Pete Alonso would answer the concern.
Mad Max LFG!!!🎉🎉🎉
You can't tell us it wasn't 'about the money' when he's getting 15 million at 41 🤣Go sign with the Dodgers for the league minimum if you "just want to win".
I think they signed him to lure other players to the team.
Compare our offseason to the padres
Well, the Padres haven't done anything. Lost Profar. Haven't traded Cease or King, YET. Either way they probably get worse but could be a W for the future. Even taking Straw's bad contract and giving Santander too many years, of course as of 2/1 the Jays have had a better offseason
The answer is because he’s washed up, 40 years old and just went to the highest bidder
15 million bro.
Pretty much a going price for mid starters unless people take discount
Mentorship is way better than wins… womp womp.
Max is out of control….so is Tronto if they think this guy will bring down the end of the decline of baseball in this city. 😅
Max must be hitting early senility if he thinks this team is going to win
He knows if they don't, he will get flipped at the deadline to a team that can.
@Dulcimerist why would a team looking for a pitcher to help them in a playoff run want him?? Sorry he is not that good anymore. He was an amazing pitcher. But biology and the clock have ended that. He wouldn't be what a team would need to put their staff OVER THE TOP for a playoff run.
@ Which is why he ended up having to sign with the Blue Jays. ;)
A contender could still be interested at the deadline, if he's healthy and can eat innings. Joe Niekro 1987.
the blue jays are not winning the al east. that honor goes to the yankees or orioles.boston will come in third.if the jays front office is smart they will start blowing this team up at the trade dealine and completely rebuild.
The Yankees aren't as good as people think plus they lost Soto. Seriously, go look at their offense last year. It was entirely Judge, Soto and Stanton.
Their pitching is excellent but they're really going to have to get lucky with Bellinger, Goldschmidt and some of the younger guys.
Otherwise, Judge will have to carry the entire offense alone and a repeat of last years numbers for him just isn't statistically likely because it was one of the best seasons of all time. If anyone can do that again, it is him though.
They don't have to win the division either.
3 of the last 6 world series champions have won 90, 88 and 93 regular season games.
Closer Role ...setup man maybe .
Because Burnes and Osaka wouldn't take our money?