@@djl9919 agree I would put Varsho in 6 spot and Gimenez 8th. If Gimenez gets on first you don’t want Kirk clogging on second clogging the bases. Gimenez and Clase are our speedy guys
Who else would play instead of him? We don’t rlly have many options and he’s about a league average hitter, he had like a 95 OPS+ last year and 103 OPS+ the year before
See how he looks in spring training. The majority of the lineup in 2024 had a down year, and Springer's poor 2024 was a combination of that and age. See if Springer bounces back a bit or not in early 2025. He did lead the team in stolen bases in 2024, although the team as a whole didn't run.
The lefty and righty in the lineup only makes sense if both the lefty guy and righty guy can hit which both Springer and Varsho have already made perfectly clear that they can't. Springer could a few years ago, but those days are gone.
Interesting lineup. I agree Springer shouldn't lead off. Concerned about you having a pocket of 3 lefties together which would burn our pinch hitting early. I like your perspective to bat Kirk lower to rest him more (less base running), but if his OBP is back where it was he could also bat 2 and let the power guys knock him in without running as much. -- I know that's a hot take, but could work.
Not sure if fully agree with Kirk batting as high as two just because of the base running, but ideally if he returns to his 2022 form then he moves up the order for sure
@@bluejaystoday I get that, but if Vladdy is hitting the ball hard anyone is going to be out at 2nd (so it might as well be Kirk) and whoever is hitting in front of Vladdy isn't going to steal, so might as well be Kirk with all his walks. (I totally get this is a unique/non-traditional approach though.)
We have a glut of players (Bichette, Varsho, Clement, Loperfido, Jimenez, Barger, O. Martinez, Schneider, Wagner, Clase, Lukes), many of whom can be packaged to get another established power hitter or starting pitcher.
How much money is rogers willing to spend. They deferred big time to get under the 2nd tax. The 2nd tax is 32% the 3rd tax is 62% the have about 25m to the 3rd tax. I wonder if this is it? I think they need a starter and an Estevez type reliever. If they got quintana and Estevez and managed to stay under 3rd tax I would call that a fair offseason where they would be competitive. Let's see what happens before spring training
I do think they will be better next season. However, they need more signings to convince us that they are still in the hunt. Right now it’s all or nothing.
It's obvious that our lineup is still too thin offensively if Varsho or Springer are being considered to be anywhere near the top 5 hitters in the lineup. I hope that Will Wagner, Joey Loperfido, Orelvis Martinez and Alan Roden have a great Spring Training because I'd like to see all of them in the starting lineup on Opening Day.
This isn’t a prediction, but here’s mine: 1. Bichette 2. Wagner 3. Guerrero 4. Santander 5. Springer 6. Giménez 7. Clement 8. Kirk 9. Varsho…it would be so nice to add Alonso…
I don’t, but I’m willing to find out. Having him up in the 2 hole, if he hits, would help to lengthen the lineup and avoid bunching up the lefties. Not saying it’s going to happen, more of an ideal situation.
The only thing Springer should be cleaning up is his trash in the clubhouse 🤣🤣🤣 He's a AAAA player at this point going by his stats last season. Did you forget he had the worst OPS in the league for the first half of last season?
Let's hope we never wake up to the news that Mark Shapiro's contract has been extended. As it stands now, Shapiro walks at the end of 2025 and there'd be a good chance Atkins gets canned when Shapiro leaves.
I'd give this a shot to begin the year: 1) Willy Wagner; 2)Bo; 3) Vlad; 4) Santander; 5) Springer; 6) Gimenez; 7) Kirk; 8) Varsho; 9) Ernie... Wagner deserves a shot to begin the year at the top of the lineup and see how he handles it
Could we at least wait until after spring training? The roster is going to change and let's see what they do in ST. If we sign Alonso, that changes a lot of things, such as who plays first, third and DH on any given day and there will be a trade or two. Springer had a sub-par 2024 (judging by OPS+) and unfortunately, two years in a row. Maybe he can recover. Let's see what he does in ST. If he seems like he's now an average hitter, put him lower in the lineup, 8th or 9th? Wouldn't be bad to get 20 HRs in that position. Bo Bichette will be back to his old self I'm sure. Have him leadoff. Vlad has to be 3rd. Santander obvioulsy 4th. Gimenez and Kirk will be in there.
He definitely has potential, but I think we need to see him show up a bit first, if he pops off in the first month of the season, he’ll move up for sure
Jays have gotten better, but not competitive with the other teams in their own division. They really need another power bat and it doesn't seem like they're going to get it from the Mets.
Varsho or Springer should not be batting in the middle of the lineup if you hope to see the Jays try to win 90 games this season. If Alonso doesn't come to Toronto, your best hope will be Barger and/or Martinez batting in the middle of the lineup. Varsho and Springer 8th and 9th.
Barger is no where close to Varsho or Springer, he hasn’t shown anything at the MLB level whereas Varsho and Springer will give you around a league average OPS with plus power, as of now Barger is a strikeout machine
How could anyone hope for this lineup to get anywhere near 90 wins? They won 74 games last year, then traded one of their few productive hitters for another defensive specialist. So, you're basically starting at
@@Keegan135 Its 2025, not 2017 anymore. Springer used to be a good hitter especially when he knew what pitch was coming. Varsho has never been a good hitter. His glove is the reason why he is even in the lineup. I'm just saying Barger has POTENTIAL IF given a chance. He has never been given a chance. And with his strong arm I would love to see him in right field this season instead of Springer who is only going to be there because Shapiro has paid him 50 Mil for 2025 and 2026. That is 25 mil x 2.years before his bad contract expires.
@@EmotionallyExhausted You are not starting at 74 wins??? Last seasons team was very much the same team they has the year before when they won 89 wins. The Jays grossly underperformed last year. They are not likely to under perform two years in a row that bad. Plus Bo is back and will have a good year as he is motivated to have a good year this year because he is playing for that once in a lifetime big contract. We have brought in Jeff Hoffman. He will be our closer. We signed Garcia and Sandlin the relief pitcher who came in the HOrwitrz trade has great stats. So the BP is much better. With Bo back and the addition of Santander the offense is much better. 90 wins is not GREAT you know, but it can at least get us the third and last wild card position. Plus we have Francis for the whole year and Y Rod, the forgotten man will be better this year and allowed to go longer in his starts as there was a limit to how long the FO would allow him to pitch last year to prime him for 2025. He wasn't yanked out because he pitched bad, he was yanked out because that was the silly pre plan by our mentally challenged FO. I could go on and on as to why this team has a MUCH BETTER chance to win 90 games this year vs that awful 74 wins last year, but I don't have the time and it would take up even more space then this long reply has.
Hard no to that Fangraphs lineup. Springer can't lead off anymore, and Clement can NOT be your starting third baseman. No. Just... _no_ . The more thunder you get in the lineup, the more you can protect Springer. He's still got some magic in the stick, and he should be viewed as a component of success, not the key to it.
@@Keegan135 Do you want to finish in "fine" place? Third base is a critical position. You'd better have some thunder, or be an ACTUAL gold glover. You can't have a "serviceable" player being your every day 3B. Clement might, literally, be their _fourth_ option at that position (Martinez, Barger, Vladdy). Fifth, if they do the logical thing and overpay for Bregman (he solves the most problems in the quickest time). I like Clement. Nice guy, good work ethic, passable MLB-er. Can't go to war with the AL East with that lineup.
@ every team has a weak position, and Barger isn’t even close to Ernie as of now, obviously you’d want a better 3B but rn that’s not the biggest concern
It's not Schneider that loves L-R-L-R, it's every manager in the history of MLB. You know what else they value? On-base skills, it's why KC traded one of their big 3 starters for India. Santander 3rd with a .307 On-base? Springer 4th with a .303 On-base? Varsho 5th with a .290 On-base? 6th we have a complete unknown journeyman (Wagner). 7th you have another sub-300 On base in Gimenez. 8th Kirk, .319 On-base 9th Clement .284 On-base. WE DON'T HAVE THE HORSES!
Forget the last 2 week of the season, Jays was doing good in August but the bullpen cannot hold the lead all season. Jays lineup cannot include Lukes and Heineman. Both cannot hit and waste of at bats
Ideally it would be... 1-Gimenez 2B 2-Bo SS 3-Vladdy 1B 4-Santander LF 5-Springer RF 6-Varsho CF 7-Martinez DH 8-Kirk C 9-Clement/Wagner 3B That is the Jays best line-up, if guys are playing up to their perceived potential.
Actual best line-up is likely 1-Wagner 3B 2-Bo SS 3-Vladdy 1B 4-Santander DH 5-Springer RF 6-Kirk C 7-Varsho CF 8-Clement/Lukes/Schneider LF 9-Gimenez 2B You can swap Gimenez and Wagner positionally if you want. Can Wagner stick against big league lefties (or can Gimenez for that matter)?
Jays ain't signing anyone - know this people! No one else coming here, except via trade. MAYBE, maybe they sign some off player you have never heard of before for small money (like Belt), but it's trade or nothing (which will involve Bo). I believe you will hear of a big trade involving Bo before the season starts. BUT if not: 1. Lukes (Man rakes, has been in every league, need his OBP at the top - go look at his #'s) 2. Bo (his best numbers by far are in the 2nd hole) 3. Vlad 4. Sandy 5. Springer (Lets hope not - this is awful protection for Sandy) ..then who ever is hot - which includes Springers spot! They really need another stick.
After Horwitz was traded away, Rowdy Tellez is who I've half-jokingly been predicting will be signed, which would be in that low tier you mentioned. Wondering if that's the fallback after Alonso signs elsewhere.
Springer had a down year..happens...he lays out in that outfield put some respect on his name wtf..dont count out springy dingy...i bet he does better this year 100%.
How tf is Vlad a #2 hitter while Bo hits cleanup? Man, I really cannot stand modern baseball. Its like the NBA, just individuals firing up threes. I know its popular, but I think "I want the best players to have the most at bats" is a small minded take, and disregards so much of the minutia of baseball.
If it's NOT World Series caliber baseball, then WHAT'S THE POINT?? They need to get away from this Shapiro guy. Look what he did in Cleveland and he's doing it in Toronto. Saving money for his bosses at the expense of winning meaningful games....ugh
Even if the Jays don't add Alonso or Bregman, they could still add 1 of Ha-Seong Kim, J.D. Martinez, Polanco, Moncada & 1 of Flaherty, Scherzer, Quintana, Heaney. They have an underrated team & farm system.
Agreed. The offense/defense was only 3-5 WAR short of all our playoff teams back to the WS - except 2016, where 2024 was actually 3 war better. If Bo recovers his 5 war, Gimenez adds 4-5 war and Santander 4, this lineup is very very under rated. If Springer Kirk and Varsho all produce too, it's a glutton. The pitching lost all of their WAR. From 13 to 0. That's the area of severe need and they already did a decent job at the bullpen
I keep having a feeling Rowdy Tellez will return to Toronto. If Atkins decides on this "Vogelbach 2.0" move, I hope Rowdy can perform like he did in 2022.
Nope, lol so vlad gives an ultimatum for what he wants by spring training . Then he goes and bumps it up over another 100+ mill Bye bye vlad don’t let door hit you in the %}* on the way out . Trade him he’s all BS , get a haul for him and fill the holes
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Maybe
1- Wagner DH
2-Bo SS
3-Vladdy 1B
4-Santander LF
5-Kirk C
6 Gimenez - 2B
7.Springer RF
6-Varsho CF
9-Clement 3B
This one is the best!
this is close to what I thought. I had Gimenez 8 & Varsho in at 6th spot.
@@djl9919 agree I would put Varsho in 6 spot and Gimenez 8th. If Gimenez gets on first you don’t want Kirk clogging on second clogging the bases. Gimenez and Clase are our speedy guys
If Springer is batting leadoff again this year we will have a 75 win season, he needs to be 7 or 8th or the 4th outfielder
Who else would play instead of him? We don’t rlly have many options and he’s about a league average hitter, he had like a 95 OPS+ last year and 103 OPS+ the year before
@@Keegan135I’d honestly rather see either Bo, Wagner, or even Ernie lead off than Springer.
Empty complaint, no one else should leadoff lol
YUP!
See how he looks in spring training. The majority of the lineup in 2024 had a down year, and Springer's poor 2024 was a combination of that and age. See if Springer bounces back a bit or not in early 2025. He did lead the team in stolen bases in 2024, although the team as a whole didn't run.
The lefty and righty in the lineup only makes sense if both the lefty guy and righty guy can hit which both Springer and Varsho have already made perfectly clear that they can't. Springer could a few years ago, but those days are gone.
Interesting lineup. I agree Springer shouldn't lead off. Concerned about you having a pocket of 3 lefties together which would burn our pinch hitting early. I like your perspective to bat Kirk lower to rest him more (less base running), but if his OBP is back where it was he could also bat 2 and let the power guys knock him in without running as much. -- I know that's a hot take, but could work.
1. Bichette 2. Kirk 3. Vladdy 4. Santander 5. Springer 6. Varsho 7. Clement 8. Wagner 9 Giminez
Not sure if fully agree with Kirk batting as high as two just because of the base running, but ideally if he returns to his 2022 form then he moves up the order for sure
@@bluejaystoday I get that, but if Vladdy is hitting the ball hard anyone is going to be out at 2nd (so it might as well be Kirk) and whoever is hitting in front of Vladdy isn't going to steal, so might as well be Kirk with all his walks. (I totally get this is a unique/non-traditional approach though.)
KIRK is a rally-killer, with his below-average speed. If Springer doesn't learn to spread the ball around, he's also a rally-killer.
We have a glut of players (Bichette, Varsho, Clement, Loperfido, Jimenez, Barger, O. Martinez, Schneider, Wagner, Clase, Lukes), many of whom can be packaged to get another established power hitter or starting pitcher.
I like your line up somewhat. Hopefully they're be revisions. Barger and Orelvis Hopefully in there
Springer and Varsho bagging 4th and 5th is terrible!
Less a criticism of your lineup than it is of the Jays themselves.
There’s more in Dalton
No doubt lol
What's kirk bouncing back to??? He hit good for half a season.
1-3 I do like but I do not like Springer and Varsho at 4 and 5 :(
Nathan Lukes needs to lead off, he might not be a big name dude but he can hit and get on base! Let the dude play!
How much money is rogers willing to spend. They deferred big time to get under the 2nd tax. The 2nd tax is 32% the 3rd tax is 62% the have about 25m to the 3rd tax. I wonder if this is it? I think they need a starter and an Estevez type reliever. If they got quintana and Estevez and managed to stay under 3rd tax I would call that a fair offseason where they would be competitive. Let's see what happens before spring training
I do think they will be better next season. However, they need more signings to convince us that they are still in the hunt. Right now it’s all or nothing.
After the top 3 batters there is a huge drop off. As in Grand Canyon like drop off.
It's obvious that our lineup is still too thin offensively if Varsho or Springer are being considered to be anywhere near the top 5 hitters in the lineup. I hope that Will Wagner, Joey Loperfido, Orelvis Martinez and Alan Roden have a great Spring Training because I'd like to see all of them in the starting lineup on Opening Day.
Agreed. Love to see varsho 9 and have him bunt more. Set the table.
This isn’t a prediction, but here’s mine: 1. Bichette 2. Wagner 3. Guerrero 4. Santander 5. Springer 6. Giménez 7. Clement 8. Kirk 9. Varsho…it would be so nice to add Alonso…
How do you know Will Wagner will be that good of a hitter to make the starting lineup, much less then to bat second?
I don’t, but I’m willing to find out. Having him up in the 2 hole, if he hits, would help to lengthen the lineup and avoid bunching up the lefties. Not saying it’s going to happen, more of an ideal situation.
@@aidandahlinnolan8872I’d rather have him bat leadoff and let Bo go back to where he’s comfortable
The only thing Springer should be cleaning up is his trash in the clubhouse 🤣🤣🤣 He's a AAAA player at this point going by his stats last season. Did you forget he had the worst OPS in the league for the first half of last season?
Has anything really changed that much the last 4 years? As long as this front office is in charge no change will happen they'll keep drowning
Let's hope we never wake up to the news that Mark Shapiro's contract has been extended. As it stands now, Shapiro walks at the end of 2025 and there'd be a good chance Atkins gets canned when Shapiro leaves.
Every team needs a switch if I could get 2 switch hitters good it changes the game
Don't do this to yourself Ross will only lead you to more pain bro.
I'd give this a shot to begin the year: 1) Willy Wagner; 2)Bo; 3) Vlad; 4) Santander; 5) Springer; 6) Gimenez; 7) Kirk; 8) Varsho; 9) Ernie... Wagner deserves a shot to begin the year at the top of the lineup and see how he handles it
I want Profar to be opening day leadoff hitter... Profar, Bo, Vlad, Santander, then I don't care how it lines up after that...
So are we basically saying that we're not getting Alonso??? He would be a perfect 4th hitter (Bo, Vladdy, Santander, Alonso THEN Springer @ 5th
Could we at least wait until after spring training? The roster is going to change and let's see what they do in ST. If we sign Alonso, that changes a lot of things, such as who plays first, third and DH on any given day and there will be a trade or two.
Springer had a sub-par 2024 (judging by OPS+) and unfortunately, two years in a row. Maybe he can recover. Let's see what he does in ST. If he seems like he's now an average hitter, put him lower in the lineup, 8th or 9th? Wouldn't be bad to get 20 HRs in that position.
Bo Bichette will be back to his old self I'm sure. Have him leadoff. Vlad has to be 3rd. Santander obvioulsy 4th. Gimenez and Kirk will be in there.
You guys really need to sign Guerrero fosure - don’t wait til the deadline
I think Gimenez has potential to hit nesr the top
Not anymore, doesn’t hit the ball hard at all and strikes out too much for a pure contact guy with no power
He definitely has potential, but I think we need to see him show up a bit first, if he pops off in the first month of the season, he’ll move up for sure
If he can have the OBP he did in 2022, that would be perfect.
Jays have gotten better, but not competitive with the other teams in their own division. They really need another power bat and it doesn't seem like they're going to get it from the Mets.
Varsho or Springer should not be batting in the middle of the lineup if you hope to see the Jays try to win 90 games this season. If Alonso doesn't come to Toronto, your best hope will be Barger and/or Martinez batting in the middle of the lineup. Varsho and Springer 8th and 9th.
Barger is no where close to Varsho or Springer, he hasn’t shown anything at the MLB level whereas Varsho and Springer will give you around a league average OPS with plus power, as of now Barger is a strikeout machine
How could anyone hope for this lineup to get anywhere near 90 wins? They won 74 games last year, then traded one of their few productive hitters for another defensive specialist. So, you're basically starting at
@@Keegan135 Its 2025, not 2017 anymore. Springer used to be a good hitter especially when he knew what pitch was coming. Varsho has never been a good hitter. His glove is the reason why he is even in the lineup. I'm just saying Barger has POTENTIAL IF given a chance. He has never been given a chance. And with his strong arm I would love to see him in right field this season instead of Springer who is only going to be there because Shapiro has paid him 50 Mil for 2025 and 2026. That is 25 mil x 2.years before his bad contract expires.
@@EmotionallyExhausted You are not starting at 74 wins??? Last seasons team was very much the same team they has the year before when they won 89 wins. The Jays grossly underperformed last year. They are not likely to under perform two years in a row that bad. Plus Bo is back and will have a good year as he is motivated to have a good year this year because he is playing for that once in a lifetime big contract. We have brought in Jeff Hoffman. He will be our closer. We signed Garcia and Sandlin the relief pitcher who came in the HOrwitrz trade has great stats. So the BP is much better. With Bo back and the addition of Santander the offense is much better. 90 wins is not GREAT you know, but it can at least get us the third and last wild card position. Plus we have Francis for the whole year and Y Rod, the forgotten man will be better this year and allowed to go longer in his starts as there was a limit to how long the FO would allow him to pitch last year to prime him for 2025. He wasn't yanked out because he pitched bad, he was yanked out because that was the silly pre plan by our mentally challenged FO. I could go on and on as to why this team has a MUCH BETTER chance to win 90 games this year vs that awful 74 wins last year, but I don't have the time and it would take up even more space then this long reply has.
@ It’s very obvious that Barger isn’t ready yet, and no, Varsho is also in the lineup because he’s a league average hitter
I think Wagner might swap positions with Santander in the field, I think Wagner has a bit more range.
Bro was talking abt the lefty righty thing then put 3 lefties back to back in varsho Wagner than gimenez move Kirk up one I say
I hope The Jay's extend Bo Bichette and Vladdy now
Hard no to that Fangraphs lineup. Springer can't lead off anymore, and Clement can NOT be your starting third baseman. No. Just... _no_ . The more thunder you get in the lineup, the more you can protect Springer. He's still got some magic in the stick, and he should be viewed as a component of success, not the key to it.
Clement is fine, he’s about a league average hitter with near gold glove defence and he doesn’t strike out
@@Keegan135 Do you want to finish in "fine" place? Third base is a critical position. You'd better have some thunder, or be an ACTUAL gold glover. You can't have a "serviceable" player being your every day 3B. Clement might, literally, be their _fourth_ option at that position (Martinez, Barger, Vladdy). Fifth, if they do the logical thing and overpay for Bregman (he solves the most problems in the quickest time). I like Clement. Nice guy, good work ethic, passable MLB-er. Can't go to war with the AL East with that lineup.
@ every team has a weak position, and Barger isn’t even close to Ernie as of now, obviously you’d want a better 3B but rn that’s not the biggest concern
Hopefully Orelvis has a strong spring training and can be a legit hitter at the MLB level. That's a bit "if" though.
@ nah he will be good, he’s been a top prospect for a long time now and has a great power tool
It's not Schneider that loves L-R-L-R, it's every manager in the history of MLB. You know what else they value? On-base skills, it's why KC traded one of their big 3 starters for India.
Santander 3rd with a .307 On-base?
Springer 4th with a .303 On-base?
Varsho 5th with a .290 On-base?
6th we have a complete unknown journeyman (Wagner).
7th you have another sub-300 On base in Gimenez.
8th Kirk, .319 On-base
9th Clement .284 On-base.
WE DON'T HAVE THE HORSES!
Forget the last 2 week of the season, Jays was doing good in August but the bullpen cannot hold the lead all season. Jays lineup cannot include Lukes and Heineman. Both cannot hit and waste of at bats
Heineman is probably replaced by Bethancourt as the backup catcher.
So Alonso is talking to the Mets again?Let’s face it.He doesn’t want to sign with the Jays. I held out hope,but have now lost it.
They better not fuck up they need Alonso
Ideally it would be...
1-Gimenez 2B
2-Bo SS
3-Vladdy 1B
4-Santander LF
5-Springer RF
6-Varsho CF
7-Martinez DH
8-Kirk C
9-Clement/Wagner 3B
That is the Jays best line-up, if guys are playing up to their perceived potential.
Actual best line-up is likely
1-Wagner 3B
2-Bo SS
3-Vladdy 1B
4-Santander DH
5-Springer RF
6-Kirk C
7-Varsho CF
8-Clement/Lukes/Schneider LF
9-Gimenez 2B
You can swap Gimenez and Wagner positionally if you want. Can Wagner stick against big league lefties (or can Gimenez for that matter)?
Much better than randomly placing "the best hitters" first, aside from lead-off, for some stupid reason.
Isn't Varsho out till like July or something?
If Wagner shows a hot bat in Spring training, my top of the order is:
1. Will Wagner
2. Bo Bichette
3. Vlad Guerrero
4. Anthony Dantander
I like it. I get why teams put their best hitters 1-2, but putting Vladdy/Anthony 3-4 seems so much scarier, idk why.
bo (r)
vlad (r)
sant (s)
wagner (r)
clement (r)
varshno (l)
lost his-spring-er (r)
kirk (r)
gimenez (l)
Jays ain't signing anyone - know this people!
No one else coming here, except via trade. MAYBE, maybe they sign some off player you have never heard of before for small money (like Belt), but it's trade or nothing (which will involve Bo). I believe you will hear of a big trade involving Bo before the season starts. BUT if not:
1. Lukes (Man rakes, has been in every league, need his OBP at the top - go look at his #'s)
2. Bo (his best numbers by far are in the 2nd hole)
3. Vlad
4. Sandy
5. Springer (Lets hope not - this is awful protection for Sandy)
..then who ever is hot - which includes Springers spot!
They really need another stick.
After Horwitz was traded away, Rowdy Tellez is who I've half-jokingly been predicting will be signed, which would be in that low tier you mentioned. Wondering if that's the fallback after Alonso signs elsewhere.
Bottom Line;
Id rather cheer for a bunch of young fellas, trying to prove themselves, as an underdog, than a bunch of f'n overrated billionaires.
Ain't nothing scary about that lineup 🤣
Maybe if they wore spooky Halloween masks for their plate appearances. ;)
There is a chance to get 78 wins!
Springer had a down year..happens...he lays out in that outfield put some respect on his name wtf..dont count out springy dingy...i bet he does better this year 100%.
How tf is Vlad a #2 hitter while Bo hits cleanup?
Man, I really cannot stand modern baseball.
Its like the NBA, just individuals firing up threes.
I know its popular, but I think "I want the best players to have the most at bats" is a small minded take, and disregards so much of the minutia of baseball.
They've stuck Bo in at cleanup to help break him out of slumps, and he hasn't been bad there.
Will Wagner
Bo Bichette
Vladdy
Santander Springer
Varsho
Kirk
Jiminez
Clement
If it's NOT World Series caliber baseball, then WHAT'S THE POINT?? They need to get away from this Shapiro guy. Look what he did in Cleveland and he's doing it in Toronto. Saving money for his bosses at the expense of winning meaningful games....ugh
Even if the Jays don't add Alonso or Bregman, they could still add 1 of Ha-Seong Kim, J.D. Martinez, Polanco, Moncada & 1 of Flaherty, Scherzer, Quintana, Heaney. They have an underrated team & farm system.
Sign Flarety already goddamit
Agreed. The offense/defense was only 3-5 WAR short of all our playoff teams back to the WS - except 2016, where 2024 was actually 3 war better.
If Bo recovers his 5 war, Gimenez adds 4-5 war and Santander 4, this lineup is very very under rated.
If Springer Kirk and Varsho all produce too, it's a glutton.
The pitching lost all of their WAR. From 13 to 0.
That's the area of severe need and they already did a decent job at the bullpen
I keep having a feeling Rowdy Tellez will return to Toronto. If Atkins decides on this "Vogelbach 2.0" move, I hope Rowdy can perform like he did in 2022.
Nope, lol so vlad gives an ultimatum for what he wants by spring training .
Then he goes and bumps it up over another 100+ mill
Bye bye vlad don’t let door hit you in the %}* on the way out .
Trade him he’s all BS , get a haul for him and fill the holes
Settle down, read those articles more carefully. It’s just people’s speculation, not fact.
No
To what
@@Keegan135 Can the lineup as is work? No
No it won't