Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power this week has been both funny, and eye opening. From a horse, to fire, to the laughable viewing figures all culminated in a huge Amazon Studios hit piece that explains SO many things. THR did have a lot of Rings of Power articles previously, but this article was no holds barred. They came for everybody from the leadership to the budgets, strategy, workplace environment and even how they removed the audience ratings from their show greenlight decisions! If you ever wanted to know how Amazon Studies spends so much, while coming out with such wildly variable quality shows. This THR article is the one for you. It's a long video, but with the depth involved, there was a lot to go through. I can't BELIEVE Amazons week ended like this. But what did you think of the Amazon Studio Rings of Power information and workplace? Let me know your thoughts down below and as always, thanks for watching :)
I think the x55 veiwer surge might actually be true... if the initial episodes were wtached by about 20 people. 15-18 of which were RUclipsrs, and none of those "Super Fans". lol
It's like the Rings of Power people think of their audience like their Marco Pierre White telling an upset diner that they have no taste, and the food is perfect. They're closer to the worst 16 y.o. fast food cook, not Michelin star chefs. Maybe that's a dumb metaphor.
.. Not so much that: When your cursed by god as an entity.. Your cursed by god, All your lust for money and power and being worshipped above everything else has caught up to you, The entity and the individuals who created that and nothing can stop the inevitable 'Fall' at that point for good. Like at amazon.
@@danielledaniel1900 .. Do you want me to show you someone who came up with amazon's ''Winning''-strategy eons before them? Theyre quite a sight now: I invite you in the spirit of that to the city and its city-states of Atlantis for example - They have plenty of water to share, Its quiet and theyre buried in the deep-dark of the ocean surrounded by a 24/7 nightmare giganticism monster-service in obliterating underwater-pressures where they were not only drowned like tolkeins numenor but blown to hell into all kinds of pieces. It wasnt on accident when they chose to try making the nephillim their long-time business partners, It wasnt an accident when all they had and all their people were manipulated by true-goo-slime pure evil and it wasnt an accident when they were abandoned for all the blood and evil theyd sunk into, Their protection taken away and allowed to destroy themselves one very dark day. Just like its not an accident what's going to happen for good to disney, amazon and others like them. Deeply-offensive decisions: They lead to cursed-end's in our real and only reality we share in this zoo-like place.
What do you mean? Galadriel was amazing when she was fighting off screen. I've never seen anything like it, and probably won't in the next season either.😆
Whilst failing to mention that the showrunners, writers and every single person involved considers anything but unconditional praise as abuse worthy of silencing.
Mannn I didn't even give it a chance. NOPE. I watched the first episode of WOT, which is my absolute favorite fantasy series, and they did us sooooooo dirty with that one that I wasn't even going to give them a chance to crush me with ROP. Honestly, they could have done so much with WOT, but they chose to make a CW project. They could have had their own Lord of the Rings with WOT, they didn't need to spend billions on ROP, But... Get woke, go broke. It's not absolute, but it's absolutely relentless when it sets in.
@@ShooterMcgavin119 Yeah it's very strange how Hollywood in general is getting these IPS and then aiming them at an entirely different audience than the originals had. No doubt someone thinks that's a brilliant business strategy but it hasn't paid off as yet.
They aren't cursed, they are just getting what they deserve. The poor horse was cursed into having to be in that awful show. But the show is getting justice.
We live in a world where "Is too big to fail really a thing?" is a very real question a lot of us are having. Disney and Amazon are sure testing the limits to see if they can answer the question.
This is a simple answer for Amazon: shed the studio subsidiary; as Prime and of course online sales are the revenue earners. Someone desperate like oh, Disney or Marvel might pick it up.
lol, yes, she could not have put that in a more unconvincing way. If it really were a hit, she would have been able to quote numbers to indicate success.
I've worked at an Amazon warehouse and it's baffling to hear they spend so carelessly for their series and shows when compared with the obsession with efficiency and productivity they have in their warehouses
Well in a warehouse you can track, and have to track for insurance purposes, everything about the product you are sending to the customer. Entertainment doesn't have the immediate feedback or threat of litigation hovering over their head, and per the reporting the threat of firing also isn't present
What was it like out of interest? I've heard no end of horror stories, from employees not being allowed to go to the toilet so they have to piss in jars, to just not being allowed to have break, or just a ten minute one, for the entire day.
Yeah, it was probably the critics and hate watchers. I myself am innocent of that, but I'm glad they did it, so I didn't have to watch more than the first one and a quarter episodes.
@@dh510 I don't usually like the term 'hate watch' ... While I didn't bother with Rings of Power, I did "laugh watch" the Obi-Wan show... it was so cheap and shitty that it almost looped back around to "so bad it's good". almost. there is entertainment to be mined just from seeing how low the garbage tiers sink.
It was probably a bunch of TV's on the floor in chain stores that made a deal with Amazon Prime, to provide content for their numerous TV's... Seriously, though lol
@@iro6758 Most of the views I think are these reviewers haha. I only watched through morbid curiosity. Cancelled my Amazon subscription shortly thereafter.
I work for Amazon and I have to say the problem is cultural. Its gotten worse for us who work at the fulfillment centers as they are cutting shifts and therefore our hours at Amazon. They driven away the customers with a $15 delivery fee to the point that we are subtle being told to go to look for work elsewhere. This is the thanks we get for propping Amazon up during the pandemic. I feel so disrespected. Thanks for doing this video Dsiparu I will have to share it with my fellow Amazonians who toil away in our warehouse just to show how effed up corporate is.
Thats how Bezoz earn money, by using low income workers feeding them with the proposition that "You got nowhere else to go, no one will love or take you in, so stay here"
I cancelled my Amazon prime in September and cited The Wrongs of Power as the reason they're losing my custom. I'd love to know how their mishandling of Tolkien has damaged Amazon overall
The only time I have Amazon Prime now is when it’s free for a month, and I cancel it the day before it’s due to renew. I’m happy, Amazon Prime is great as a freebie once a year.
I'd cancel my Amazon Prime, but I've honestly never even used the streaming service. I buy a ton of firearm parts and clothing on the site sadly. I hate them so much...but it's so hard to beat the prices and free shipping, especially for the aforementioned firearm parts. I got my Sightmark Red Dot for like $100 cheaper than anywhere else. Talk about between a rock and a hard place : /
One of Robert Conquest's 'Rules of Politics' was that 'The easiest way to understand the behaviour of bureaucractic organisations is to assume they have been taken over by a secret cabal of their own enemies'. This prove how right he was.
'You cannot pass,' the fans said. Amazon stood still, and a dead silence fell. 'We are the servants of the Secret Fire, wielders of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass. The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udûn. Go back to the Shadow! You cannot pass.' -Tolkien’s ghost and fans via karma and the internet
Amazon had the money to do any chapter (s) of the Simarillion that they wanted to.. Beren and Luthien..Morgoth and his alliance with Ungoliant the Mother of Spiders..but instead , they chose the Path of Pain..of Mediocrity..what a spectacular waste of money by Amazon..
@@aaronhumphrey2009 i think thats the real obvious kickerfor me, they could have adapted any of the books so that it works alongside Peter Jackson's trilogy - or trilogies. But they chose to do... Well nothing really. I think the money was spent on the rights, not the show.
@@JohnDavidSullivan I think I remember them paying 200 million for the LotR appendices. The small bits of text at the end of the books that describe some of the major events in the history of the Middle Earth. They never bought the rights for Silmarillion which they obviously should have...
personally i am more fond of the analogy of Amazon being the "Mouth of Sauron" and Gandalf and Aragorn representing the audience as Gandalf and Aragorn as Peter Jackson/Tolkien. but yours works too.
The sheer amount of scrutiny this show is getting even after its finished has made me want to say "please stop kicking it. It's already dead" But then it makes a zombie like twitch and tries to rise again. Just for us to rightfully continue kicking it.
Amazon made a show with such a high budget they needed to appeal to everyone to even possibly return a profit, and then deliberately wrote in a way they knew would never appeal to everyone.
The amount of time this strategy has been adapted and failed catastrophically, you would assume other people would learn. I understand mass appeal. But what's Japan's model, India's model, S Korea's model? RRR was made for an Indian audience, with cartoonish villains and over-the-top action without physics. If other nations enjoyed it, wow that's awesome. I would rather make Reacher and Terminal List (fans with a target audience that is under-served, right now, in a genre that is being neglected right now) on a mild budget and let the numbers run.
Old Aesop: "Pleasing everyone means you please no one." I don't need to know that someone saying that it has to reflect the world today so it pleases everyone is bound to fail. Modern day creatives seem to need to read more books instead of telling people to try and change them.
One of the worst things about amazon prime is getting through a couple of seasons of an old favourite show then to find you need to rent or purchase the rest of the seasons
One of the worst things about amazon prime is sifting through thousands of mediocre C-movies to find something at all watchable. Except Jack Reacher and The Expanse and The Peripheral. So I am saying there is a chance? Yep. So so small though.
It's my theory that the people who are ACTUALLY creative and have real passion about their art will start to abandon studios and produce their own films and shows on RUclips and other ad-based streaming platforms. (Not just hobbyists, but wildly talented cinematographers who would normally only be able to make their art with the financial support of a studio.) You can already see this with animation. Studios have steered the animation ship so far off course (cough.. Velma) that they are heavily invested in strangling any actual talent that they still employ. Now you're starting to see things like Hell of a Boss and Lackadaisy pop up on RUclips, which you can watch for FREE. To me, this is a foreshadowing of the direction of film, and the downfall of the traditional "Hollywood" style studios.
At this point, I've spent more time watching anti-ROP RUclips videos than I've spent watching the series. That's the true complete show ecosystem---the ancillary works.
Pretty sure they caused an ecological problem due to one of their shooting process. Remember the red mountain dust we see? Yeah, that literally caused a problem.
@@ZolaRenard_01 i heard that NZ was pissed when they left the shooting grounds littered with film making debris so different from PJ who built special ramps so the crew wouldn't be trampling on pristine NZ nature.
Poor dear horse! Just before the end, he was heard to say, "You can keep filming this insult to Professor Tolkien and his devoted loyal fanbase over my dead body." RIP 🐴 His spirit was strong in life, and will find its way to the stables of its forehorsefathers.
Despite their efforts to publicly present the ratings for the first season as being positive, Amazon knows how many negative reviews they had to suppress to achieve 'the fans love it'. With that in mind, I'm amazed they are willing to waste even more money on a second season of this wreck after blowing off $1 BILLION. Now having watched this video all the way through, I'm even more bewildered how Amazon Studios exists at all.
In sales and design, one of the most basic lessons is that you never design for your self, you design for the client. The client is not the firm that hires you, it's the customers they're targeting. Basically, my personal preferences for colour and style don't matter, what matters are the client's preferences. Second, the best way to speak to your customers is in their own language and their own psychological modalities, so that they can better relate to the message. Analytics and focus groups are tools to help refine your audience picture. Any company that chooses to simply ignore their analytics and user data deserves all their financial losses. The Amazon approach is just mind-boggling.
You're got two main choices when making art and entertainment: either you care about a specific vision and have to discount the potential audience, or your care about mass appeal and have to discount a specific vision. The problem arises when stupid people think that they can sell specific content outside its specific market (and are banking on it).
This has never been Amazon's ethos. It started out as a book seller. Give us boxes of books on consignment, we'll take 10% and overcharge on shipping. If they don't sell, take them back and pulp them. Then it moved into e-books where they'll take 30%, and the overheads vs storing boxes of paper and hardbacks is a lot, lot lower, as is the digital postage. Then it moved into retail and became a logistics company distributing tat for a percentage, or forwarding the transaction to someone else for a healthy commission. And then it moved into video, and the horrific service that is Prime TV. In the old days, movies went straight to DVD. Now, they go straight to Prime. Millions of hours of content that nobody will probably watch. You can tell that Amazon doesn't care about content or data (other than storage costs) just by looking at it's UI. It is dire. It's also recently changed, so before it had a 'Free to me' category. Then that changed to include 'Freevee', which is low budget dross but with 90s+ unskippable ads for stuff you have zero interest in. Now the home page includes wads of tiles promoting rentals, other channels to subscribe to and gives customers zero control over the interface. It has dozens of 'channels' where you have to scroll down, and across. Then if you scroll all the way down to the depths of Prime Hell, if you go back to the top, it'll have shuffled the channel order. If you want to understand the contempt Amazon shows for it's customers, just look at it's UI. Customers have zero control or influence over the shite it shows. They're a tech company (allegedly), but can't figure out that giving users some control over channels, categories or content would be a REALLY USEFUL FEATURE. I have zero interest in watching football, tennis, cricket, home improvement shows etc etc, so let me hide those 'channels'. Let me control the content presented to me.
you can also appeal to wide audiences and be very subtle in the way you defend a point through narration. It's although quite effective in shaping political opinions , that's what they did for fifty years. They could have increased female representation by geting from 22% to 35%, the 45%, then 50 , subtil, not revolutionary , they could have done the same for racial minorities and lGBT , just by strictly representing the actual proportions in society , only where it made sense (not in medieval europe for exemple, not race swaping EVERY SINGLE existing beloved character) so that would'nt have alienated everyone by forcing lies and making everyone uncomfortable. Instead they chose frontal backlash and gaslighting. They also alienated global audiences , Europeans are less wokified than americans and historical shows featuring POCs in 19 th century Britain or France just don't work, since they deny entire aspects of our history , including the actual history of immigration.Not to mention the fact that they are pillaging our litterature and our folk tales, being americans, appropriating it , and turn it into some sort of american political talking point. I feel very opressed.
This is pure nonsense. You are implying the show doesn't appeal to a large audience because they care about a 'specific vision' when that isn't true at all. Their entire goal was to have a mass appeal. And they utterly failed in that. The show was just bad
why do people keep trying to somehow find some complicated reason why it failed... it failed, because it was badly written, horrible CGI, woke agenda political messaging, garbage... like 80% of modern cinema/Tv...
@@pyropulseIXXI If you're talking to me, I didn't say anything about "the show". I was speaking generally about the choices creators make. To address your point specifically, have you considered that if the show runners and production of Rings of Power had cared about representing Tolkien properly, instead of themselves, that they might have achieved more "mass appeal" instead of the apathy they were actually met with? The show wasn't just bad, it was bad for a reason, and the fact you think it wasn't because of their specific vision is what's nonsense. They did *not* set out to make a show with mass appeal and that was evident in the articles referenced in this video. But hey, you do you.
Makes me miss the days when pilot episodes were common to see if there was enough positive attention from customers to be worth investing a full show. Only pilot episodes now are just indie instead of network backed.
In 2007 timeframe, I worked, as a business, for media companies in the film industry, and I saw all this coming. I actually produced several movie trailer PR sites for some well-known movies. And even then, I could see the progression - how the narcissism and vacuous imbecility would eventually consume that industry. And some of my peers got in even deeper, and there are some telling horror stories. Most of my friends who went to LA and took studio jobs did have an awakening and escaped. Most. Hollywood is a gravity well of psychopathy, and the less powerful "pilot fish" are constantly orbiting hoping to "get noticed" etc. The debauchery and total lack of morality is beyond what most people in the public would imagine. And it will implode - it is imploding right now.
All I have to do is rally a decent-sized community around "Diamond Dragons", and I believe there is a great way to turn it all around for the better. Megalomaniacal narcissists BEGONE. Let dramatic structure, character archetypes, themes, and literary techniques FINALLY RETURN TO THE WORLD OF STORYTELLING. I'm quite serious. 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨
Thanks for that message. This is something that interests me - how all of this mess appear in Hollywood? I mean, it didn't use to be so bad, people cared mostly for money, not for pushing agenda. Where did these people come from? How did they create their own bubble?
The reality is when they say they don't have a vision, they mean they don't have a vision beyond pushing "the message." They just know it's a bad idea to admit that.
This is a real life version of that Simpsons meme with Principal Skinner saying "Am I so out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong!" except switch out Skinner and children with Salke and audience.
Weird that a company who became the number one ecommerce site in the world arguably because of its user reviews system, doesn't seem to think that's important for their studios.
Ultimate, unlimited, absolute power and wealth corrupts absolutely. As long as people have accounts with 'Zon... they're laughing all the way to the bank.
I’m one of those that didn’t finish the series. I’m just too tired of studios ruining the stories I love. Message to all studios out there: get someone who cares AND can do it well. Budgets and casting don’t mean a thing.
I dont know how bad a fire could be that takes 4.5 hours to put out might be, but I will always assume that studio fires look like the climax of that Bolt movie with John Travolta and Miley Cyrus. Absolute chaos and destruction.
The thing is, the horse death wouldn’t have gotten out if someone in the film crew wasn’t pissed about it. Someone had to go and tell the press and then Amazon had to mitigate. It must have been pretty bad for someone to report it. There’s some shady and neglectful trash walking around that set.
I read in an Entertainment Weekly article that this was the first death for the company that provided the horses, Devil's Horsemen. And that company's been around 50 years. So they'd have had to have been mad about it.
It's actually impressive, they know exactly how it's gonna be received before streaming it, and yet they keep pushing for it. I didn't feel sorry for them before, but now I don't even less, lol
@@VenomBroly I can hear them now, "Like OMG, it's so sad to know that 89% of Earth's population are all racicicists and smexists!!! It's definitely not our amazing show! You go girl! We'll keep making seasons for the 11% of GOOD people out there!!!"
We should be cheering this on, Amazon and the creators of ROP are digging themselves into a massive hole! This inevitable disaster is going to go down as the most shameful and embarrassing event in television history! They really believed they could create something superior to Tolkien! This level of delusion and arrogance deserves nothing but utter failure, and endless mockery! Which Tolkien fans will be delighted to deliver! I for one am going to love every second of it!
And its not like they don't know how to fix it. Reacher, Terminal List. Smaller shows, with a fanbase from books to adapt. Smaller budgets, less than ten episodes per season. The Blacklist is in its final season. That's a show that has suffered massive setbacks with lead actors leaving and scheduling issues. But even that show has higher viewership on Netflix than things like Willow and RoP. My favourite thing: Nothing seems to knock NCIS and Law and Order SVU out of the Top 10 on rating charts.
Let's Revell in the Anarchy and destruction of Hollywood. the Empire is collapsing, freedom will soon be upon us!!! :Insert picture of Elmo in flames holding Arms up:
In the season 2 premiere there will definitely be articles that go "There was a dramatic increase in viewership between this and the previous episode" And they will be comparing the last episode of season 1 with the season 2 premiere. I'm calling it now, cya in a few months!
I remember that the marketing for Into the Woods specifically didn’t show that it was a musical since it would turn people off. Odd that this has become a main strategy of Hollywood in recent days.
You mentioned an 8 episode show for $175 million - breaks down to $21.9 million per episode. Looking back at a show like TNG, they produced a good show at approximately 1/7 of that shows budget (TNG cost $1.3 mil/episode in the late 80's early 90's which adjusted for inflation amounts to just under $3 mill)
SG-1 is in that same boat, and they were constantly afraid someone would just cancel the show because it wasn't worth it. ROP is even worse because you could fund whole seasons for the cost of 1 episode.
It should be applauded, because most people have the memory of a goldfish. If somebody listed all the stupidity just from the past 3-4 years, only from Hollywood/shows, from gaming or from politics (Like either one) let alone 8 years, it'd be a list longer than the dreaded list of war crimes of the N-words in WW2.
If Amazon wants to make a super expensive series that isn't well supported, that's their choice. I watched episode #1 of ROP. It wasn't for me. The same for WoT. WoT was so different than the books that I just couldn't watch. It was sad. Jordan's books were so brutally ripped into something unrecognizable that it was depressing to endure. Sadly,, Amazon just isn't getting the hint.
@@Novastar.SaberCombat I can see that a book exists for Diamond Dragons - is that what you mean or is there a visual media interpretation hiding in the 'streams' somewhere? :)
The situation at Amazon Studios reminds me of a song by Reinhard Mey. It's called "Das Narrenschiff" (the fool's ship) here are some of the lyrics translated into english: The helmsman lies, the captain is drunk And the machinist is sunk into dull lethargy The crew are just perjured bandits, The radio operator is too cowardly to send an SOS Kobolds are leading the fools' ship Full steam ahead for the reef!
This explains so much… like where the hell the analysts have been and why they aren’t pointing out the glaringly obvious ‘give fans the ip they’re actually fans of’ issue they just consistently keep getting wrong.
I actually have long thought that Amazon is using their video studio to be a tax ride off as it consistently loses money. And that may actually be Jennifer Schultz's job
19:28 I dropped Amazon Prime, even before the abomination of the Wheel of Prime aired. I dropped it because Amazon switched from using UPS to the United States Postal Service which do not deliver to my home. After the Wheel of Prime, I will not go back so long as that abomination lives.
When I started here, all there was was swamp. Other kings said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show 'em. It sank into the swamp. So, I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So, I built a third one. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp, but the fourth one...
If they lost all their costumes in the fire that could cost them as much as £25 and would cause a serious problem for continuity. They may never be able to find costumes of that low quality again!!!
Also, it might stop the 'talent' cosplaying as themselves at conventions. Because I can't see anyone else taking the time to produce screen accurate versions.
I think I had to force myself to finish the season, the whole "galadriel" taking a pyroclastic flow to the face and just being a little dusty and not being turned into a pile of ash was too much for me
@@Harldin You young or something? Check out a few volcano documentaries - people go right up to the peak, where lava is flowing, sit on the edge and boil an egg. Even when they were inside, they were WAY above the lava, and would have been fine, as is shown IRL when they lower an egg a few feet to boil it in the lava flow. But she got hit in the face with a giant Fukking fireball - not even remotely the same thing.
I even liked the fact more that sauron forgot to take the mithril with him to mordor which was his main mission or was it that everyone didnt know there was no king of the southlands for 1000 years already and galadriel hat to look this fact deep in the super-secret libary because entire middleearth is too dumb to recognize this?
The vanity of these people is breathtaking. They’d rather a project fail because of them than succeed because of someone else. Then, when something is successful in spite of the execs, it makes them feel so humiliated, they go out of they way to talk it down and even destroy it if they can. It’s like something the McMahons would do.
It's just so good, and it blew their minds with such force, it actually wiped it from their memories. It's like looking into the face of God, they were lucky to survive viewing Rangs of Powah.
The few people who I talked about the show with all looked at me like I was nuts when I said that Amazon do not have any of the rights any of the source material. Because even THEY knew it was a dumb idea.
Yeah, same here. I was a bit surprised because I know a bunch of fantasy fans, including ones that have seen all of the previous Tolkien adaptations, and at least some of them do have Prime.
The Peripheral and The Boys were fine (although The Boys is clearly not for everybody). I really hope there will be a second season for The Peripheral. It's got engaging characters and tells an interesting story in an interesting world, and tells it well. That's what I want. The problem with Rings of Power isn't the gender or skin colour of the lead; they could have made an awesome show with these characters that was true to the works of Tolkien. They just chose to piss on Tolkien's grave instead. And that means you're immediately weeding all the Tolkien fans out of your audience. With its familiar names and nonsensical story, I guess the target audience for it is people who vaguely remember the movies but don't really pay attention to the story. I'm surprised it's getting a (small) second season at all. The best thing they could have done was throw it all away and start over with decent writers who actually care about the source material.
Your spot on about needing Amazon prime for the free shipping, that's the position I'm in currently. however, that means that there are likely people, (like my wife and I), who are essentially being given things like Rings of power or wheel of time for free, and still! Aren't! Watching! One season of woT was enough for us, despite my wife being a huge WoT fangirl, and I actively avoided Rings of power and modern startrek. Yes, Amazon literally can't give this stuff away!
Prime video is an afterthought. I only end up there when it is the only place to watch a movie I want to watch or if nothing else has anything interesting.
I have Prime but just for the free shipping, haven't even looked at the other services let alone shows they have. It's the same with the Verizon bundle with Disney Plus/Hulu bundle I have 0 interest in Disney plus and the Hulu is just the base membership so can't watch all shows like South Park and even the movies that you stream have more adds than a you tube video. If that Verizon bundle had better options like playstation plus or x box game pass even just a discount on them I would pick that over the Disney Plus crap bundle. There's a possibility that other companies have some kind of bundle with streaming services that the person never uses or even looked at that's being used prop up crap shows.
What the Alec Baldwin shooting case told me that a production may not necessarily be cursed but instead plagued by creeping incompetency through woke hiring practices.
(sigh) So they're going ahead with a second season. Fine. In that case, I would like to make a prediction: As I and many others have pointed out, Celeborn and Galadriel are Arwen's maternal grandparents. However, Amazon has chosen to effectively write Celeborn out of existence so that Galadriel won't be tied down with anything so mundane as a family. That way, they can force their all-important Galadriel/Sauron ship onto the viewers. How, then, are they going to address this contradiction that so many of us keep bringing up? Simple: Since Sauron, at this point, is still capable of shapeshifting, he's going to return to Galadriel disguised as Celeborn; and because this version of Galadriel is as dense as the gravity well of a black hole, she's going to allow herself to get pregnant with not-Celeborn's child before the real Celeborn shows up to expose the deception. After Sauron is sent packing Galadriel and Celeborn are going to make the heart-wrenching decision of raising the Enemy's daughter together, because no child is born evil blah blah blah. Then we're going to get think pieces from Vanity Fair and similar sites about how ROP Season 2 "recontextualizes Arwen's relationship with the One Ring" (which is specific to the Jackson films and should have been shot down upon suggestion) and the showrunners are going to do another round of promotional tours to congratulate themselves on how they are just so much better at writing women than Tolkien ever was. Or they'll just continue blithely ignoring Galadriel's relationship to Arwen, because what do fans of the books know that's worth putting in their show?
The fact that Phoebe Waller-Bridge as some random writer/producer gets paid more than half the rate of Andy Jassy, the CEO of all Amazon, every year is completely ludicrous
The one time I can think of where an executive was held responsible was from ABC, when a guy greenlighted a million dollar pilot of Lost. He was forced to resign and then the show went on to be a massive success.
The "creative vision" thing might work as an excuse for the first season of a show that isn't supposed to be based on a well known property, but that stops working at all after the first season fails.
Yet another reason for people to start supporting individual creators. Give THEM communities. Since they may actually *CARE* what those communities have to say.
Thank you again for taking the time to read and break down something I never would. Let's hope that people like you can make this embarrassing enough that they finally change.
What an eye opening article! They should make a tv show about working in Amazon Studios. I stopped watching Rings Of Power after episode 3. It sounds like I should have gone and watched Batwoman instead.
@@alliezah Welcome to the entertainment industry in general. Now you know you how we've felt for DECADES of cult hits being canceled, and soap operas continuing on for YEARS.
The bodies of JRR and Christopher Tolkien are spinning so hard in their graves because of this show that they are causing the fabric of reality to shatter. Which is why this show is now cursed. Also, sadly, I know two people that have seen this show and who actually liked it. I have lost all faith in humanity. All the more so because Picard S3 has shown that you can shat all over a fanbase, give them a decent season full of memberberries and they will come back. Which means RoP can still become a success.
It amazes me that it achieved 33% completion rate. Without animus, I would have not expected numbers exceeding 10% completion rate. Clearly, there are a great many of the Walking Dead and mushroom heads that are Prime subscribers.
I gave it an honest chance by watching the entire first season, but the show has no redeeming qualities. It's simply awful. I am also baffled by the pricetag. They didn't pay for big name actors or top-notch CGI. Where did the money go exactly? If they succeeded in anything it was taking a beloved character in Galadriel and portraying her as one of the most unlikeable, one-dimensional characters ever to grace the screen. I just don't get it.
@@HardcoreCasualGW2 Your honest observation sums it all up. With all the promise and all the opportunity, the result is baffling. It would seem that this show is the textbook result of what will happen to anything when representation, diversity, equity, and inclusion trump story, plot, acting, directing, and any other aspect that contributes to a quality piece of entertainment.
I'll often finish a season of something even if I think it is rubbish. Once I've sat through the first two/three episodes I'm likely to make it to the end, even if it has become a chore. Picard Season 2 and Rings of Power were notable exceptions in recent years where I just Noped in the middle of a season
@@ciaranirvine I understand your sentiment. However, for me, the whole point of entertainment is to be entertained. And, again, for me, there simply was nothing entertaining about RoP. Some scenes and dialogue where so painful to watch or even hear, such that minor oral surgery would have been more pleasant--even without novocaine. It is akin to reaching into the fridge, pulling out a jar of something, popping the lid, and being assaulted by a terrific stench. You reflexively seal it up again and may, in some extreme cases, throw the entire container out rather than experiencing that smell again. I am not even sure that relegating RoP to Mystery Science Theater 3000 could make RoP watchable. And those guys have shown some doozies. God bless.
Disparu, I need to know: you're stranded in a nuclear fallout shelter for twenty years with one of the following characters. Who do you choose? - Kit From "Willow" - Galadriel from "Rings of Power" - Kwan from "HALO" I think I'd pick the fallout myself.
Damn at this point Im conviced that Tolkiens spirit is having his revenge for the mostrosity that Rings of Power is, we can call it "Tolkiens Curse". Definetely a big reason they should just cancel the show all together.
why don't they make something about Hanibal Barca. Carthage had a very diverse army. they could put diverisity in the tv series and it wouldnt upset any of the fans. basically already have a story for them.
Because it’s not about principles, it’s about THUH MESSAGE. There are plenty of good examples of stuff with diversity, hell even just making a generic fantasy works, but they need to pollute and piggyback off better IPs and it’s fanbase.
That is such a great idea! I guess that makes it doomed to be ignored. Still, I'm sorry. I'd watch the hell out of a good Hanibal series. I loved the book I read about him.
The point is to destroy existing IPs to create outrage to divide the masses while they use diversity as a shield to look like the righteous ones. They don’t care about representation.
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Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power this week has been both funny, and eye opening. From a horse, to fire, to the laughable viewing figures all culminated in a huge Amazon Studios hit piece that explains SO many things. THR did have a lot of Rings of Power articles previously, but this article was no holds barred. They came for everybody from the leadership to the budgets, strategy, workplace environment and even how they removed the audience ratings from their show greenlight decisions! If you ever wanted to know how Amazon Studies spends so much, while coming out with such wildly variable quality shows. This THR article is the one for you. It's a long video, but with the depth involved, there was a lot to go through. I can't BELIEVE Amazons week ended like this. But what did you think of the Amazon Studio Rings of Power information and workplace? Let me know your thoughts down below and as always, thanks for watching :)
I think the x55 veiwer surge might actually be true... if the initial episodes were wtached by about 20 people. 15-18 of which were RUclipsrs, and none of those "Super Fans". lol
I wish I was paid 7 figures a year to be a total hack.
Does anyone have the "made it to the end" numbers for Reacher or House of the dragon?
Wow isnt the co creator so smart?! They finally figured there's bias in their critic's opinions
It's like the Rings of Power people think of their audience like their Marco Pierre White telling an upset diner that they have no taste, and the food is perfect. They're closer to the worst 16 y.o. fast food cook, not Michelin star chefs. Maybe that's a dumb metaphor.
"Everyone likes our show, except for the bigots."
"How do you define bigots?"
"Anyone who doesn't like our show."
Absolute simpletons.
That GENUINELY gave me a good laugh. Thank you. XD
Lol for real
Anyone who doesn't like the show = 99% of the Audience
nice definitions😆😆😆 wth is wrong with these people...
Tolkien's ghost is taking matters into his own hands
.. Not so much that: When your cursed by god as an entity.. Your cursed by god, All your lust for money and power and being worshipped above everything else has caught up to you, The entity and the individuals who created that and nothing can stop the inevitable 'Fall' at that point for good. Like at amazon.
And now he's got a ghost horse to ride...
I hope so
"'The Dead are following,' said Legolas."
@@danielledaniel1900 .. Do you want me to show you someone who came up with amazon's ''Winning''-strategy eons before them? Theyre quite a sight now:
I invite you in the spirit of that to the city and its city-states of Atlantis for example - They have plenty of water to share, Its quiet and theyre buried in the deep-dark of the ocean surrounded by a 24/7 nightmare giganticism monster-service in obliterating underwater-pressures where they were not only drowned like tolkeins numenor but blown to hell into all kinds of pieces.
It wasnt on accident when they chose to try making the nephillim their long-time business partners, It wasnt an accident when all they had and all their people were manipulated by true-goo-slime pure evil and it wasnt an accident when they were abandoned for all the blood and evil theyd sunk into, Their protection taken away and allowed to destroy themselves one very dark day.
Just like its not an accident what's going to happen for good to disney, amazon and others like them.
Deeply-offensive decisions: They lead to cursed-end's in our real and only reality we share in this zoo-like place.
I am still stunned by how they could make a show with no recognizable stars, mediocre CGI, and terrible acting, while spending almost a $billion.
Heard some rumors of money laundering. But who knows. I’m just a random schmuck
While taking a hot dump on a brilliant fantasy setting.
What do you mean? Galadriel was amazing when she was fighting off screen. I've never seen anything like it, and probably won't in the next season either.😆
Well, if it wasn’t the money that burned and it wasn’t spent on the show, obviously somebody else has it now and enjoys life a lot.
How can we be sure that those numbers are true? They could be just made up.
This isn't just a curse, it's the spirt of J.R.R. Tolkien enacting retribution upon the people who disrespected his life's work.
"Welcome to Shiraq"
No. The spirit of the old professor wouldn't care about these people anyhow.
I'd rather we just got some good stories in the vein of his legacy. This sucks.
I hope the spirit of good old J.R.R. haunts these jerks' bedrooms every night.
... and the dead keep it
"We can't verify how viewers feel about our show as feedback is disabled to prevent abuse, but we're sure everyone loved it!" ~Amazon
Whilst failing to mention that the showrunners, writers and every single person involved considers anything but unconditional praise as abuse worthy of silencing.
Yes, Amazon is sometimes more delusional than Disney
Maybe they shouldn't spend billions the rights to an IP only to then realize you need people to WRITE a show and simply answering an ad on Craigslist
Mannn I didn't even give it a chance. NOPE. I watched the first episode of WOT, which is my absolute favorite fantasy series, and they did us sooooooo dirty with that one that I wasn't even going to give them a chance to crush me with ROP.
Honestly, they could have done so much with WOT, but they chose to make a CW project. They could have had their own Lord of the Rings with WOT, they didn't need to spend billions on ROP,
But...
Get woke, go broke. It's not absolute, but it's absolutely relentless when it sets in.
@@ShooterMcgavin119 Yeah it's very strange how Hollywood in general is getting these IPS and then aiming them at an entirely different audience than the originals had. No doubt someone thinks that's a brilliant business strategy but it hasn't paid off as yet.
The horse was then sold to Disney for 1 billion dollars so Marvel and Lucasfilm can take turns beating it
Thank you..
Holy shit I actually laughed out loud
😂😂😂
your brilliance is not yet known by the face of mankind. but it will be.
🤣🤣
They aren't cursed, they are just getting what they deserve. The poor horse was cursed into having to be in that awful show. But the show is getting justice.
Hey, antoinette. . Agreed completely
I doubt the Squirrel thinks they are cursed.
Yes, bingo. Negative energy begets hellish results. I've seen it time and time again on empirical levels. The horse is better off.
No there is a curse.
After all, the horse performed a blood sacrifice on itself to make that happen.
Several horses died in Lord of the Rings. I
Hundreds died Ben Hur. Still doesn't make RoP any good.
They are trying to recoup the 1 billion bucks by burning the sets down for insurance money, lol
😂 Probably LOL
Well, if they film it - it sure would be more entertaining then this forsaken show
Someone should tell them that creating a dumpster fire of a show doesn't bring in any insurance money😄
@@dh510 hahhahhahahhahahhaa!!!!
So it's the plot of The Producers come to life. At least what the two producers in that had planned.
We live in a world where "Is too big to fail really a thing?" is a very real question a lot of us are having. Disney and Amazon are sure testing the limits to see if they can answer the question.
They have a lot of padding via ESG and the like, but even that can't last forever.
This is a simple answer for Amazon: shed the studio subsidiary; as Prime and of course online sales are the revenue earners. Someone desperate like oh, Disney or Marvel might pick it up.
remember titanic the unsinkable ship
Their blowing money on so many projects that no ones wants, just like Saudi Arabia with all its mega city works.
It's not just Disney and Amazon, Warner Brothers and HBO too
When Salke says " is not reflective of any conversation I'm having internally", she is referring to her inner monologue and how deep in denial she is.
It sounds like the type of person who only cares about how she feels and what she wants and anyone who isn’t with her is a threat to her.
lol, yes, she could not have put that in a more unconvincing way. If it really were a hit, she would have been able to quote numbers to indicate success.
I've worked at an Amazon warehouse and it's baffling to hear they spend so carelessly for their series and shows when compared with the obsession with efficiency and productivity they have in their warehouses
Well in a warehouse you can track, and have to track for insurance purposes, everything about the product you are sending to the customer. Entertainment doesn't have the immediate feedback or threat of litigation hovering over their head, and per the reporting the threat of firing also isn't present
Blackrock is probably subsidizing them...
it actually makes sense, the money that she spends has to come from somewhere.
What was it like out of interest?
I've heard no end of horror stories, from employees not being allowed to go to the toilet so they have to piss in jars, to just not being allowed to have break, or just a ten minute one, for the entire day.
because stacking a warehouse doesn't have any potential to push "the message"
The shocker to me is that these ratings confirm that someone on the planet actually watched the entire season.
It was probably Disparu.
Yeah, it was probably the critics and hate watchers.
I myself am innocent of that, but I'm glad they did it, so I didn't have to watch more than the first one and a quarter episodes.
@@dh510 I don't usually like the term 'hate watch' ... While I didn't bother with Rings of Power, I did "laugh watch" the Obi-Wan show... it was so cheap and shitty that it almost looped back around to "so bad it's good". almost. there is entertainment to be mined just from seeing how low the garbage tiers sink.
It was probably a bunch of TV's on the floor in chain stores that made a deal with Amazon Prime, to provide content for their numerous TV's...
Seriously, though lol
@@iro6758 Most of the views I think are these reviewers haha. I only watched through morbid curiosity. Cancelled my Amazon subscription shortly thereafter.
“Never interrupt your enemy, while he’s making a mistake.” - Napoleon Bonaparte
Sun Tzu
@@AndrewManook "Waterslide" " - Napoleon Bonaparte
There's no comma.
I work for Amazon and I have to say the problem is cultural. Its gotten worse for us who work at the fulfillment centers as they are cutting shifts and therefore our hours at Amazon. They driven away the customers with a $15 delivery fee to the point that we are subtle being told to go to look for work elsewhere. This is the thanks we get for propping Amazon up during the pandemic. I feel so disrespected.
Thanks for doing this video Dsiparu I will have to share it with my fellow Amazonians who toil away in our warehouse just to show how effed up corporate is.
Thats how Bezoz earn money, by using low income workers feeding them with the proposition that "You got nowhere else to go, no one will love or take you in, so stay here"
More power to you and your fellow workers!
The only "culture" Americans have are Wokeism and Cancel culture.
America has absolutely no culture, but they sure do love disgracing others.
I cancelled my Amazon prime in September and cited The Wrongs of Power as the reason they're losing my custom. I'd love to know how their mishandling of Tolkien has damaged Amazon overall
Same here.
The only time I have Amazon Prime now is when it’s free for a month, and I cancel it the day before it’s due to renew. I’m happy, Amazon Prime is great as a freebie once a year.
Idk they have a lot of good shows tho, and it cost almost nothing.
What puzzles me is how The Terminal List and The Peripheral and The Expanse are done so much better with a smaller budget than Rangz of Poowuh.
I'd cancel my Amazon Prime, but I've honestly never even used the streaming service. I buy a ton of firearm parts and clothing on the site sadly. I hate them so much...but it's so hard to beat the prices and free shipping, especially for the aforementioned firearm parts. I got my Sightmark Red Dot for like $100 cheaper than anywhere else. Talk about between a rock and a hard place : /
Tolkien stopped spinning in his grave and decided to do something about this insult.
Thought it might be a spark generated by the spinning.
I was going to make the same comment. 😂
Amen
And he has built up a LOT of kinetic energy.. “Ectoplasmic Professors, arise and take your vengeance!”
If this is the data Amazon allows to go public, imagine how bad it really is behind the scenes
there is probably more that hasn't been shown but the data in this video is stuff that got leaked so yes it was much worse than they initially showed.
They are hiding corpses.
Pretty sure that was a dumpster fire on the set. And they should have filmed it, because it was probably more interesting to watch than their show.
@@Mr.Ekshin
Lol. That's a burn if I ever heard one.
@@Raximus3000 More horse-corpses?
Only 37% of viewers have seen what she has seen.
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XD
That's too much...
Remember when Amazon was about eBooks...
😂
And they've seen their share
"The key to success is to do whatever you want and fire your customers if they don't like it" -Amazon Studios
One of Robert Conquest's 'Rules of Politics' was that 'The easiest way to understand the behaviour of bureaucractic organisations is to assume they have been taken over by a secret cabal of their own enemies'. This prove how right he was.
'You cannot pass,' the fans said. Amazon stood still, and a dead silence fell. 'We are the servants of the Secret Fire, wielders of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass. The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udûn. Go back to the Shadow! You cannot pass.'
-Tolkien’s ghost and fans via karma and the internet
Amazon had the money to do any chapter (s) of the Simarillion that they wanted to.. Beren and Luthien..Morgoth and his alliance with Ungoliant the Mother of Spiders..but instead , they chose the Path of Pain..of Mediocrity..what a spectacular waste of money by Amazon..
@@aaronhumphrey2009 i think thats the real obvious kickerfor me, they could have adapted any of the books so that it works alongside Peter Jackson's trilogy - or trilogies. But they chose to do... Well nothing really. I think the money was spent on the rights, not the show.
@@JohnDavidSullivan I think I remember them paying 200 million for the LotR appendices. The small bits of text at the end of the books that describe some of the major events in the history of the Middle Earth. They never bought the rights for Silmarillion which they obviously should have...
@@backonlazer791 that's right - the appendices - seems like they got a very bad deal 🤣
personally i am more fond of the analogy of Amazon being the "Mouth of Sauron" and Gandalf and Aragorn representing the audience as Gandalf and Aragorn as Peter Jackson/Tolkien.
but yours works too.
The sheer amount of scrutiny this show is getting even after its finished has made me want to say "please stop kicking it. It's already dead"
But then it makes a zombie like twitch and tries to rise again. Just for us to rightfully continue kicking it.
Amazon made a show with such a high budget they needed to appeal to everyone to even possibly return a profit, and then deliberately wrote in a way they knew would never appeal to everyone.
The amount of time this strategy has been adapted and failed catastrophically, you would assume other people would learn.
I understand mass appeal. But what's Japan's model, India's model, S Korea's model? RRR was made for an Indian audience, with cartoonish villains and over-the-top action without physics. If other nations enjoyed it, wow that's awesome.
I would rather make Reacher and Terminal List (fans with a target audience that is under-served, right now, in a genre that is being neglected right now) on a mild budget and let the numbers run.
Old Aesop: "Pleasing everyone means you please no one." I don't need to know that someone saying that it has to reflect the world today so it pleases everyone is bound to fail. Modern day creatives seem to need to read more books instead of telling people to try and change them.
Never appeal to almost anyone.
One of the worst things about amazon prime is getting through a couple of seasons of an old favourite show then to find you need to rent or purchase the rest of the seasons
Totally a coincidence how that works though, we swear.
One of the worst things about amazon prime is sifting through thousands of mediocre C-movies to find something at all watchable. Except Jack Reacher and The Expanse and The Peripheral. So I am saying there is a chance? Yep. So so small though.
It's my theory that the people who are ACTUALLY creative and have real passion about their art will start to abandon studios and produce their own films and shows on RUclips and other ad-based streaming platforms. (Not just hobbyists, but wildly talented cinematographers who would normally only be able to make their art with the financial support of a studio.) You can already see this with animation. Studios have steered the animation ship so far off course (cough.. Velma) that they are heavily invested in strangling any actual talent that they still employ. Now you're starting to see things like Hell of a Boss and Lackadaisy pop up on RUclips, which you can watch for FREE. To me, this is a foreshadowing of the direction of film, and the downfall of the traditional "Hollywood" style studios.
I was thinking the same thing the other day!
At this point, I've spent more time watching anti-ROP RUclips videos than I've spent watching the series. That's the true complete show ecosystem---the ancillary works.
the only ROP content i watched is the bits and pieces from the youtube reviews :D
You aren't alone lol
I spent more time watching anti-ROP RUclips videos than I've spent watching the series by literally just watching 1 minute of anti-ROP youtube videos
@pyropulse good one 😆
Eight minutes is all I've watched. The first EIGHT minutes. I'm with you.
“Animals WERE harmed in the making of Rings of Power.”
Just viewing the dumpster fire of a show is harmful.
It died from an overdose of cringe!
Everyone was harmed by the making of this show!
Pretty sure they caused an ecological problem due to one of their shooting process. Remember the red mountain dust we see? Yeah, that literally caused a problem.
@@ZolaRenard_01 i heard that NZ was pissed when they left the shooting grounds littered with film making debris so different from PJ who built special ramps so the crew wouldn't be trampling on pristine NZ nature.
Poor dear horse! Just before the end, he was heard to say, "You can keep filming this insult to Professor Tolkien and his devoted loyal fanbase over my dead body."
RIP 🐴 His spirit was strong in life, and will find its way to the stables of its forehorsefathers.
The problem is they took the horse up on its offer. ;)
Doubtless a descendent of the steeds of rohon the like of which is rare to find on earth in these days.
Despite their efforts to publicly present the ratings for the first season as being positive, Amazon knows how many negative reviews they had to suppress to achieve 'the fans love it'. With that in mind, I'm amazed they are willing to waste even more money on a second season of this wreck after blowing off $1 BILLION. Now having watched this video all the way through, I'm even more bewildered how Amazon Studios exists at all.
Unfortunately Amazon makes more than a billion dollars a day..
In sales and design, one of the most basic lessons is that you never design for your self, you design for the client. The client is not the firm that hires you, it's the customers they're targeting. Basically, my personal preferences for colour and style don't matter, what matters are the client's preferences. Second, the best way to speak to your customers is in their own language and their own psychological modalities, so that they can better relate to the message. Analytics and focus groups are tools to help refine your audience picture. Any company that chooses to simply ignore their analytics and user data deserves all their financial losses.
The Amazon approach is just mind-boggling.
You're got two main choices when making art and entertainment: either you care about a specific vision and have to discount the potential audience, or your care about mass appeal and have to discount a specific vision. The problem arises when stupid people think that they can sell specific content outside its specific market (and are banking on it).
This has never been Amazon's ethos. It started out as a book seller. Give us boxes of books on consignment, we'll take 10% and overcharge on shipping. If they don't sell, take them back and pulp them. Then it moved into e-books where they'll take 30%, and the overheads vs storing boxes of paper and hardbacks is a lot, lot lower, as is the digital postage. Then it moved into retail and became a logistics company distributing tat for a percentage, or forwarding the transaction to someone else for a healthy commission.
And then it moved into video, and the horrific service that is Prime TV. In the old days, movies went straight to DVD. Now, they go straight to Prime. Millions of hours of content that nobody will probably watch.
You can tell that Amazon doesn't care about content or data (other than storage costs) just by looking at it's UI. It is dire. It's also recently changed, so before it had a 'Free to me' category. Then that changed to include 'Freevee', which is low budget dross but with 90s+ unskippable ads for stuff you have zero interest in. Now the home page includes wads of tiles promoting rentals, other channels to subscribe to and gives customers zero control over the interface. It has dozens of 'channels' where you have to scroll down, and across. Then if you scroll all the way down to the depths of Prime Hell, if you go back to the top, it'll have shuffled the channel order.
If you want to understand the contempt Amazon shows for it's customers, just look at it's UI. Customers have zero control or influence over the shite it shows. They're a tech company (allegedly), but can't figure out that giving users some control over channels, categories or content would be a REALLY USEFUL FEATURE. I have zero interest in watching football, tennis, cricket, home improvement shows etc etc, so let me hide those 'channels'. Let me control the content presented to me.
you can also appeal to wide audiences and be very subtle in the way you defend a point through narration. It's although quite effective in shaping political opinions , that's what they did for fifty years. They could have increased female representation by geting from 22% to 35%, the 45%, then 50 , subtil, not revolutionary , they could have done the same for racial minorities and lGBT , just by strictly representing the actual proportions in society , only where it made sense (not in medieval europe for exemple, not race swaping EVERY SINGLE existing beloved character) so that would'nt have alienated everyone by forcing lies and making everyone uncomfortable. Instead they chose frontal backlash and gaslighting. They also alienated global audiences , Europeans are less wokified than americans and historical shows featuring POCs in 19 th century Britain or France just don't work, since they deny entire aspects of our history , including the actual history of immigration.Not to mention the fact that they are pillaging our litterature and our folk tales, being americans, appropriating it , and turn it into some sort of american political talking point. I feel very opressed.
This is pure nonsense. You are implying the show doesn't appeal to a large audience because they care about a 'specific vision' when that isn't true at all. Their entire goal was to have a mass appeal. And they utterly failed in that. The show was just bad
why do people keep trying to somehow find some complicated reason why it failed...
it failed, because it was badly written, horrible CGI, woke agenda political messaging, garbage...
like 80% of modern cinema/Tv...
@@pyropulseIXXI If you're talking to me, I didn't say anything about "the show". I was speaking generally about the choices creators make. To address your point specifically, have you considered that if the show runners and production of Rings of Power had cared about representing Tolkien properly, instead of themselves, that they might have achieved more "mass appeal" instead of the apathy they were actually met with? The show wasn't just bad, it was bad for a reason, and the fact you think it wasn't because of their specific vision is what's nonsense. They did *not* set out to make a show with mass appeal and that was evident in the articles referenced in this video. But hey, you do you.
Makes me miss the days when pilot episodes were common to see if there was enough positive attention from customers to be worth investing a full show. Only pilot episodes now are just indie instead of network backed.
There are still pilot episode test views, for e.g. in GoT
Let's book 5 seasons into the diary, what could possibly go wrong? WHERE'S ALL THE MONEY GOING??
In 2007 timeframe, I worked, as a business, for media companies in the film industry, and I saw all this coming. I actually produced several movie trailer PR sites for some well-known movies. And even then, I could see the progression - how the narcissism and vacuous imbecility would eventually consume that industry. And some of my peers got in even deeper, and there are some telling horror stories. Most of my friends who went to LA and took studio jobs did have an awakening and escaped. Most. Hollywood is a gravity well of psychopathy, and the less powerful "pilot fish" are constantly orbiting hoping to "get noticed" etc. The debauchery and total lack of morality is beyond what most people in the public would imagine. And it will implode - it is imploding right now.
Good
I can imagine.. gross
All I have to do is rally a decent-sized community around "Diamond Dragons", and I believe there is a great way to turn it all around for the better. Megalomaniacal narcissists BEGONE. Let dramatic structure, character archetypes, themes, and literary techniques FINALLY RETURN TO THE WORLD OF STORYTELLING. I'm quite serious.
🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨
Give us some stories man, about the debauchery I mean…
Thanks for that message. This is something that interests me - how all of this mess appear in Hollywood? I mean, it didn't use to be so bad, people cared mostly for money, not for pushing agenda. Where did these people come from? How did they create their own bubble?
The reality is when they say they don't have a vision, they mean they don't have a vision beyond pushing "the message." They just know it's a bad idea to admit that.
This is a real life version of that Simpsons meme with Principal Skinner saying "Am I so out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong!" except switch out Skinner and children with Salke and audience.
Weird that a company who became the number one ecommerce site in the world arguably because of its user reviews system, doesn't seem to think that's important for their studios.
Amazon’s ‘Rings of Power’ be like:
“We took character qualities from Fëanor and gave them to Galadriel. Think anyone will notice?”
Those are some jaw-dropping quotes from Amazon. They really have a group of entitled people doing whatever they want.
Ultimate, unlimited, absolute power and wealth corrupts absolutely. As long as people have accounts with 'Zon... they're laughing all the way to the bank.
"Everyone I pay huge salaries to tell me what I want to hear is telling me things I want to hear, so you're a lying bigot!"
I’m one of those that didn’t finish the series. I’m just too tired of studios ruining the stories I love. Message to all studios out there: get someone who cares AND can do it well. Budgets and casting don’t mean a thing.
The horse’s ghost was so angry of being in the show it came back to set the place on fire
A vengeful horse spirit?!
That would make for a GREAT "haunted location" legend. :P
Probably a Púca
I dont know how bad a fire could be that takes 4.5 hours to put out might be, but I will always assume that studio fires look like the climax of that Bolt movie with John Travolta and Miley Cyrus. Absolute chaos and destruction.
The thing is, the horse death wouldn’t have gotten out if someone in the film crew wasn’t pissed about it. Someone had to go and tell the press and then Amazon had to mitigate. It must have been pretty bad for someone to report it. There’s some shady and neglectful trash walking around that set.
I read in an Entertainment Weekly article that this was the first death for the company that provided the horses, Devil's Horsemen. And that company's been around 50 years. So they'd have had to have been mad about it.
@@marychocolatefairy oh wow! That's baaaad..
I started re-reading the silmarillion this week. So happy they don’t have the rights to butcher it.
It's actually impressive, they know exactly how it's gonna be received before streaming it, and yet they keep pushing for it. I didn't feel sorry for them before, but now I don't even less, lol
I love it how people like us are proven correct dozens of times every single year and yet they still act like we are making shit up
Yeah its astounding
That is because we are reeeeeeeecists and misogyninininistics
@@VenomBroly I can hear them now, "Like OMG, it's so sad to know that 89% of Earth's population are all racicicists and smexists!!! It's definitely not our amazing show! You go girl! We'll keep making seasons for the 11% of GOOD people out there!!!"
Narcissists always shut down facts and data. Opinions and dollars matter the most to them. Well... their OWN. :) Not those of audiences, of course.
@@theelder4797 You SLAY QUEEN! So stunning and brave...
We should be cheering this on, Amazon and the creators of ROP are digging themselves into a massive hole!
This inevitable disaster is going to go down as the most shameful and embarrassing event in television history!
They really believed they could create something superior to Tolkien! This level of delusion and arrogance deserves nothing but utter failure, and endless mockery! Which Tolkien fans will be delighted to deliver!
I for one am going to love every second of it!
And its not like they don't know how to fix it.
Reacher, Terminal List. Smaller shows, with a fanbase from books to adapt. Smaller budgets, less than ten episodes per season.
The Blacklist is in its final season. That's a show that has suffered massive setbacks with lead actors leaving and scheduling issues. But even that show has higher viewership on Netflix than things like Willow and RoP.
My favourite thing: Nothing seems to knock NCIS and Law and Order SVU out of the Top 10 on rating charts.
We are cheering this on! 😂
Let's Revell in the Anarchy and destruction of Hollywood.
the Empire is collapsing, freedom will soon be upon us!!!
:Insert picture of Elmo in flames holding Arms up:
In the season 2 premiere there will definitely be articles that go "There was a dramatic increase in viewership between this and the previous episode"
And they will be comparing the last episode of season 1 with the season 2 premiere.
I'm calling it now, cya in a few months!
I remember that the marketing for Into the Woods specifically didn’t show that it was a musical since it would turn people off. Odd that this has become a main strategy of Hollywood in recent days.
You mentioned an 8 episode show for $175 million - breaks down to $21.9 million per episode. Looking back at a show like TNG, they produced a good show at approximately 1/7 of that shows budget (TNG cost $1.3 mil/episode in the late 80's early 90's which adjusted for inflation amounts to just under $3 mill)
SG-1 is in that same boat, and they were constantly afraid someone would just cancel the show because it wasn't worth it.
ROP is even worse because you could fund whole seasons for the cost of 1 episode.
Also TNG was just way better lol
I commend Disparu for his document retention system, pulling up so many articles out of the distant past 😂
yeah it's pretty impressive
Seriously I wanna see how they're sorted
@@EvilExcalibur You can just make an excel sheet with the links sorted by date and subject, its not that hard
It should be applauded, because most people have the memory of a goldfish. If somebody listed all the stupidity just from the past 3-4 years, only from Hollywood/shows, from gaming or from politics (Like either one) let alone 8 years, it'd be a list longer than the dreaded list of war crimes of the N-words in WW2.
Is death by sudoku common? I’d like to see those numbers.
Bazinga!!
😉👍
Don’t laugh don’t laugh don’t- dammit
Pretty sure it lines up.
It adds up.
If Amazon wants to make a super expensive series that isn't well supported, that's their choice.
I watched episode #1 of ROP. It wasn't for me. The same for WoT.
WoT was so different than the books that I just couldn't watch. It was sad. Jordan's books were so brutally ripped into something unrecognizable that it was depressing to endure.
Sadly,, Amazon just isn't getting the hint.
Try "Diamond Dragons". I really need to rally at least a decently-sized community around it.
🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨
@@Novastar.SaberCombat I can see that a book exists for Diamond Dragons - is that what you mean or is there a visual media interpretation hiding in the 'streams' somewhere? :)
THUH MESSAGE is more important than the money.
The situation at Amazon Studios reminds me of a song by Reinhard Mey. It's called "Das Narrenschiff" (the fool's ship) here are some of the lyrics translated into english:
The helmsman lies, the captain is drunk
And the machinist is sunk into dull lethargy
The crew are just perjured bandits,
The radio operator is too cowardly to send an SOS
Kobolds are leading the fools' ship
Full steam ahead for the reef!
Klassiker
This explains so much… like where the hell the analysts have been and why they aren’t pointing out the glaringly obvious ‘give fans the ip they’re actually fans of’ issue they just consistently keep getting wrong.
I actually have long thought that Amazon is using their video studio to be a tax ride off as it consistently loses money. And that may actually be Jennifer Schultz's job
R.I.P. Horse. We have to wait for season 2 of Trese, Arcane, and Invincible. But stuff like this gets pumped out like off a assembly line.
I'm okay with them taking their time if it translates to an overall better quality product.
@@M0ndi a polished turd is still a turd
Trese?
19:28 I dropped Amazon Prime, even before the abomination of the Wheel of Prime aired. I dropped it because Amazon switched from using UPS to the United States Postal Service which do not deliver to my home. After the Wheel of Prime, I will not go back so long as that abomination lives.
When I started here, all there was was swamp. Other kings said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show 'em. It sank into the swamp. So, I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So, I built a third one. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp, but the fourth one...
If they lost all their costumes in the fire that could cost them as much as £25 and would cause a serious problem for continuity. They may never be able to find costumes of that low quality again!!!
The hobo they got behind the alley to make costumes left apparently.
I'm sure they could get expedited shipping from Wish.
Also, it might stop the 'talent' cosplaying as themselves at conventions. Because I can't see anyone else taking the time to produce screen accurate versions.
They spent that much on costuming? They splurged.
I think I had to force myself to finish the season, the whole "galadriel" taking a pyroclastic flow to the face and just being a little dusty and not being turned into a pile of ash was too much for me
No worse than Frodo and Sam sitting on a rock in the middle of a Volcano, the immunity to Volcanos was established long before ROP.
Guyladriel has the power of vageeena, her slit is stunning and brave and moisturized her entire body.
@@Harldin You young or something? Check out a few volcano documentaries - people go right up to the peak, where lava is flowing, sit on the edge and boil an egg. Even when they were inside, they were WAY above the lava, and would have been fine, as is shown IRL when they lower an egg a few feet to boil it in the lava flow.
But she got hit in the face with a giant Fukking fireball - not even remotely the same thing.
The pyroclastic flow was evil and thus had no heat which is why she was fine. Lol
I even liked the fact more that sauron forgot to take the mithril with him to mordor which was his main mission or was it that everyone didnt know there was no king of the southlands for 1000 years already and galadriel hat to look this fact deep in the super-secret libary because entire middleearth is too dumb to recognize this?
The vanity of these people is breathtaking. They’d rather a project fail because of them than succeed because of someone else. Then, when something is successful in spite of the execs, it makes them feel so humiliated, they go out of they way to talk it down and even destroy it if they can. It’s like something the McMahons would do.
Even their 'superfans' PR can't do shit about it. Proof that the real Tolkien's fans know that it's a hot garbage.
It even cost a horse its life. I don't even like horses and I feel for it.
Jackie Chan made a movie with a horse as its star (Ride On, 2023). Even the TRAILER was more fun to watch than the series. :/
"You dont get rich from big income.
You get rich from small expenses"
-Ingvar Kamprad
Absolutely noone I know is talking about this show. That's how awesome it is.
Most people at work didn't know it was even on.
It's just so good, and it blew their minds with such force, it actually wiped it from their memories. It's like looking into the face of God, they were lucky to survive viewing Rangs of Powah.
The few people who I talked about the show with all looked at me like I was nuts when I said that Amazon do not have any of the rights any of the source material.
Because even THEY knew it was a dumb idea.
Well, it left me truly speechless.
Must be the trauma of watching the full season 😢
Yeah, same here. I was a bit surprised because I know a bunch of fantasy fans, including ones that have seen all of the previous Tolkien adaptations, and at least some of them do have Prime.
The Peripheral and The Boys were fine (although The Boys is clearly not for everybody). I really hope there will be a second season for The Peripheral. It's got engaging characters and tells an interesting story in an interesting world, and tells it well. That's what I want.
The problem with Rings of Power isn't the gender or skin colour of the lead; they could have made an awesome show with these characters that was true to the works of Tolkien. They just chose to piss on Tolkien's grave instead. And that means you're immediately weeding all the Tolkien fans out of your audience. With its familiar names and nonsensical story, I guess the target audience for it is people who vaguely remember the movies but don't really pay attention to the story.
I'm surprised it's getting a (small) second season at all. The best thing they could have done was throw it all away and start over with decent writers who actually care about the source material.
Your spot on about needing Amazon prime for the free shipping, that's the position I'm in currently.
however, that means that there are likely people, (like my wife and I), who are essentially being given things like Rings of power or wheel of time for free, and still! Aren't! Watching!
One season of woT was enough for us, despite my wife being a huge WoT fangirl, and I actively avoided Rings of power and modern startrek.
Yes, Amazon literally can't give this stuff away!
Prime video is an afterthought. I only end up there when it is the only place to watch a movie I want to watch or if nothing else has anything interesting.
I have Prime but just for the free shipping, haven't even looked at the other services let alone shows they have. It's the same with the Verizon bundle with Disney Plus/Hulu bundle I have 0 interest in Disney plus and the Hulu is just the base membership so can't watch all shows like South Park and even the movies that you stream have more adds than a you tube video. If that Verizon bundle had better options like playstation plus or x box game pass even just a discount on them I would pick that over the Disney Plus crap bundle. There's a possibility that other companies have some kind of bundle with streaming services that the person never uses or even looked at that's being used prop up crap shows.
Almost have to respect the con. To get paid that much for being that incompetent is pretty impressive.
The goal is not to make money. The goal is to destroy the IP.
And culture, and soyciety, and the west in general.
Yes it really feels like a cultural destruction of apparently traditionally "white male" IP, even though these IPs have always been inclusive.
Aaaaaaand based
What the Alec Baldwin shooting case told me that a production may not necessarily be cursed but instead plagued by creeping incompetency through woke hiring practices.
(sigh) So they're going ahead with a second season. Fine. In that case, I would like to make a prediction:
As I and many others have pointed out, Celeborn and Galadriel are Arwen's maternal grandparents. However, Amazon has chosen to effectively write Celeborn out of existence so that Galadriel won't be tied down with anything so mundane as a family. That way, they can force their all-important Galadriel/Sauron ship onto the viewers. How, then, are they going to address this contradiction that so many of us keep bringing up? Simple: Since Sauron, at this point, is still capable of shapeshifting, he's going to return to Galadriel disguised as Celeborn; and because this version of Galadriel is as dense as the gravity well of a black hole, she's going to allow herself to get pregnant with not-Celeborn's child before the real Celeborn shows up to expose the deception. After Sauron is sent packing Galadriel and Celeborn are going to make the heart-wrenching decision of raising the Enemy's daughter together, because no child is born evil blah blah blah. Then we're going to get think pieces from Vanity Fair and similar sites about how ROP Season 2 "recontextualizes Arwen's relationship with the One Ring" (which is specific to the Jackson films and should have been shot down upon suggestion) and the showrunners are going to do another round of promotional tours to congratulate themselves on how they are just so much better at writing women than Tolkien ever was.
Or they'll just continue blithely ignoring Galadriel's relationship to Arwen, because what do fans of the books know that's worth putting in their show?
I have all Tolkiens books and movies on my phone.
Yet you couldn't pay me to watch this latest Farce.
What does that tell us?
The fact that Phoebe Waller-Bridge as some random writer/producer gets paid more than half the rate of Andy Jassy, the CEO of all Amazon, every year is completely ludicrous
The fact that she gets paid for this tripe at all is ludicrous.
Salke is a great example of a lesson nobody wants to learn: unqualified people shouldn't be running things.
The one time I can think of where an executive was held responsible was from ABC, when a guy greenlighted a million dollar pilot of Lost. He was forced to resign and then the show went on to be a massive success.
That's hilarious! Wonder how HE felt about that ending.
Great editorial, Disparu. This piece was absolutely fascinating… my jaw was agape for the entire timecode. What a cesspool Hollywood is.
The "creative vision" thing might work as an excuse for the first season of a show that isn't supposed to be based on a well known property, but that stops working at all after the first season fails.
Well if you consider that many CEO's and corporate suits are psychopaths, the actions of these companies starts to make sense.
Yet another reason for people to start supporting individual creators. Give THEM communities. Since they may actually *CARE* what those communities have to say.
Thank you again for taking the time to read and break down something I never would. Let's hope that people like you can make this embarrassing enough that they finally change.
A few years ago I'd never thought I'd be rooting for shows to release, so I can view RUclips reviewers taking the piss out of it, but here we are.
OK ok.... but the real question Disparu, is are you ever going to play that piano for us? :P
What an eye opening article! They should make a tv show about working in Amazon Studios. I stopped watching Rings Of Power after episode 3. It sounds like I should have gone and watched Batwoman instead.
No, don't watch Batwoman...it's not interesting enough to be worth it
If every show on Amazon was like Reacher and Terminal List then it'd be the best streaming service by far. Unfortunately we can't have nice things.
You know what hurts me? Mindhunter was cancelled and literal garbage gets renewed. Yes, I know it's not Amazon, but the pattern is there.
@@alliezah Welcome to the entertainment industry in general. Now you know you how we've felt for DECADES of cult hits being canceled, and soap operas continuing on for YEARS.
@@alliezah Or they do another season and suddenly that season becomes different. Like Mandalorian S3.
It seems like Sauron is not pleased with this lack of vision by way of Amazon.
Probably because they disguised him as a human which he despised.
I never watched a minute of this show, but I still enjoy watching U tubers talk shit about it. Very entertaining. :)
The bodies of JRR and Christopher Tolkien are spinning so hard in their graves because of this show that they are causing the fabric of reality to shatter. Which is why this show is now cursed. Also, sadly, I know two people that have seen this show and who actually liked it. I have lost all faith in humanity. All the more so because Picard S3 has shown that you can shat all over a fanbase, give them a decent season full of memberberries and they will come back. Which means RoP can still become a success.
I’m pretty sure when Jennifer Salke says “conversations I’m having internally” she’s referring to talking to her own brain, such as it is.
Sounds like Tolkien is haunting that set. 😂
It amazes me that it achieved 33% completion rate. Without animus, I would have not expected numbers exceeding 10% completion rate. Clearly, there are a great many of the Walking Dead and mushroom heads that are Prime subscribers.
I gave it an honest chance by watching the entire first season, but the show has no redeeming qualities. It's simply awful. I am also baffled by the pricetag. They didn't pay for big name actors or top-notch CGI. Where did the money go exactly? If they succeeded in anything it was taking a beloved character in Galadriel and portraying her as one of the most unlikeable, one-dimensional characters ever to grace the screen. I just don't get it.
@@HardcoreCasualGW2 Your honest observation sums it all up. With all the promise and all the opportunity, the result is baffling. It would seem that this show is the textbook result of what will happen to anything when representation, diversity, equity, and inclusion trump story, plot, acting, directing, and any other aspect that contributes to a quality piece of entertainment.
I'll often finish a season of something even if I think it is rubbish. Once I've sat through the first two/three episodes I'm likely to make it to the end, even if it has become a chore. Picard Season 2 and Rings of Power were notable exceptions in recent years where I just Noped in the middle of a season
@@ciaranirvine That's funny. I watched season 1 of Picard and decided I had enough! I guess they just don't make shows like they used to!
@@ciaranirvine I understand your sentiment. However, for me, the whole point of entertainment is to be entertained. And, again, for me, there simply was nothing entertaining about RoP. Some scenes and dialogue where so painful to watch or even hear, such that minor oral surgery would have been more pleasant--even without novocaine. It is akin to reaching into the fridge, pulling out a jar of something, popping the lid, and being assaulted by a terrific stench. You reflexively seal it up again and may, in some extreme cases, throw the entire container out rather than experiencing that smell again. I am not even sure that relegating RoP to Mystery Science Theater 3000 could make RoP watchable. And those guys have shown some doozies. God bless.
Rings of Power is such a blasphemy against Tolkien lore that it's literally bursting into flames.. 🔥😆
When Batwahman ratings put yours to shame you’re well past the point of self-reflection.
I'm still mad at amzn for putting out this offensive garbage, Prof. Tolkien deserved better.
The funny thing is that they KNEW it was garbage. They knew it like you know your own name.
Disparu, I need to know: you're stranded in a nuclear fallout shelter for twenty years with one of the following characters. Who do you choose?
- Kit From "Willow"
- Galadriel from "Rings of Power"
- Kwan from "HALO"
I think I'd pick the fallout myself.
He loves KWAN 😂
Disparu: “Kwaaannnnnnnnn!!!”
Simple, Galadriel....
That way I can kill her myself
Any or all three
Their fragile stature makes for good servants
I pick secret option number 4, no one.
I'd walk out and die.
To be fair, Guyladriel face-tanked a volcano, so a little storehouse fire shouldn't bother her :)
Damn at this point Im conviced that Tolkiens spirit is having his revenge for the mostrosity that Rings of Power is, we can call it "Tolkiens Curse". Definetely a big reason they should just cancel the show all together.
Amazing how a bunch of high position people can’t run a company by making good choices.
committed "Sudokku"? hahaha I think you meant "Seppukku" :D in any case nice Video!
Cardiac failure?
Horses are built for endurance and working long hours with minimal rest. How unhealthy was that animal?!
It probably just got the covid vaccine
It was that horse Guyladrial did her fish flop on to avoid the arrow. Shame finally caught up to the poor creature. He gone.
why don't they make something about Hanibal Barca. Carthage had a very diverse army. they could put diverisity in the tv series and it wouldnt upset any of the fans. basically already have a story for them.
because italy and its people are generally well liked. i have thought about the same, but the reception is luke warm at best.
Because it’s not about principles, it’s about THUH MESSAGE. There are plenty of good examples of stuff with diversity, hell even just making a generic fantasy works, but they need to pollute and piggyback off better IPs and it’s fanbase.
That is such a great idea! I guess that makes it doomed to be ignored. Still, I'm sorry. I'd watch the hell out of a good Hanibal series. I loved the book I read about him.
@@YorickWell HistoryMarche have a 5 part documentary about his life.
it is truly insane what he could do.
The point is to destroy existing IPs to create outrage to divide the masses while they use diversity as a shield to look like the righteous ones. They don’t care about representation.