These Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power Showrunner reviews are always interesting. It's incredible how no matter what you think of the show, hearing what they actually INTENDED it to mean is always worse than you thought. To hear them harp on about metaphor and symbolism, the secret meanings they kept trying to add into the show (even if they didn't intend to) really makes me think they forgot about the actual entertainment. Just like the script with its false depth, this was a project that was trying to be so intellectual and philosophical, and missed the mark entirely. But what did you think of their comments, let me know your thoughts down below and as always, thanks for watching :)
Hmm, you gotta admit, I realized I would be scared she would burn Numenor down too if they didn't give her the boats.... After all isn't that what her and her family did at Aquilonde??
Well I honestly thought it was so obvious only an idiot would do it so they must be making this guy the Witch King. They totally fooled me and were in fact that big a bunch of idiots.
That was me. I was hoping they would make Halbrand a ringwraith or a werewolf. And his interest in blacksmithing was only so he could help Sauron in some way. UGH.
An exaggeration but yeah, this season is approximately 8 hours long (supposedly 1/5 of the whole show if it ever gets finished) and at that point in the Jackson trilogy we beat the belrog, Boremir died, we had the battle of Helm's deep, siege of Isengard, most of the fellowship was back together, and Frodo and Sam could see the fires of Mt. Doom.
With a third of the money he and others created a cinematic masterpiece that catched the feeling of Tolkien's books perfectly. Of course they couldn't sqeeze the books into 9 hours of movie, but they did a great job to stick to Tolkien's message about bravery, hope, loyalty and friendship. You don't need people of colour and mary-sue pseudo feminists because these values can inspire everybody who has humanity in their hearts.
@@abehambino Well I wouldn't know if what Peter Jackson did was easier.. I remember hearing/reading that they spent YEARS planning and writing before they even shot a scene or built any stage. In a way they were spared a lot of the critique of how the show should look like artistically, but on the other hand they did everything very well. The world looks believable. The Shire, Gondor, Rohan, Lothlorien, Moria and Mordor.. They look like believable places. Rings of Power looks artificial.
Galadriel: “What kind of man would leave his companions to die?” I seem to remember something about her wanting to leave her soldier to die in the snow…
Yes I remember that scene from the first episode and the lack of empathy for any of her soldiers that were killed by the snow troll who to be honest I think was defending it home.
You really have to remember who these people are acolytes of JJ Abrams, the destroyer of franchises, the man who couldn’t mystery Box his way out of a paper bag
@@5against1radio58NO SORON Is not misunderstood. He is evil incarnate and if you bothered to read token and understand talking and what it’s about you wouldn’t know that but since you obviously didn’t, you’re just a dumbass like the show runners.
P&M would have made Smaug sympathetic, longing for his long lost love, Smaugette, who will only return of he attains enough gold. "Creating ambiguity and intrigue"
I'm grateful for 'The Rings of Power', because it increased my appreciation The Lord of the Rings, and made me want to watch the films and read the books again for the first time in over ten years.
yeah and i bet all the tolkien lore channels got a big boost in views, learning about stuff just to appreciate the totality of rings of power might not be the noblest thing but it sure was fun
@@TKFKU if you watched PJ’s films, you’d appreciate the difference between an author, a director, and a couple of patsies who JJ put on a pedestal to distract us from all the bad robot fingers in the ROP pie.
many creators let whoever destroy their work, to create this comparison. they get a huge paycheck and original fans gain deeper appreciation lol DBZ author been doing this forever
They totally missed the point of the Annatar story. It wasn't a devil's bargain at all. Just goes to show how well they actually know the source material.
@@Dravianpn02 well, not simple.... it was Sauron preying upon the deepest desires of each race. The Elves desire to preserve the world they knew, the dwarves inherent greed, the Humans ambition. His greatest weapon against the individual races was basically themselves, he just gave them amplifiers.
@@petriew2018 plus it happened over centuries, far the opposite of a passerby coming in at a random moment and messing up with Celebrimbor’s mind in a few minutes
Disparu @12:59 -- _"She didn't have an arc! She started a cow, she ended a cow!"_ there it is. that's the quote that belongs on the Season 1 DVD box set. 🤣
Jackson's Trilogy will always remain the living proof that you don't need billions to keep your heart in the right place to tell a great story or respect the work of a talented writer. All you need is a little humbleness, just like the heroes in that story.
4:28 it's not a metaphor of Sauron affecting Galadriel, my dude. Even worse. It's Galadriel showing Sauron the way of abandoning others and being an evil narcissistic monster. Galadriel was like "Keep notes bud"
@@mattiassvanberg8292 From what I remember, if they want to get pregnant, they just get pregnant - no need for intercourse. Not sure about human/elven children though. Pretty sure Aragorn clapped those Arwen cheeks
I loved the part in Tolkien's life where he realised that the reason why stones sink is because they're always looking the wrong way. And then when Tolkien's friend C.S. Lewis said to him, "Give me the meat, and give it to me raw!" and Tolkien said, "Hey, I like that!" and then he wrote that down in his book, and then later that book got adapted into an Amazon streaming series. Truly inspiring stuff!
People make devil's bargains for stupid reasons all the time. The key is to make a stupid issue seem much more important than it actually is. The Elves at the time were in decline after the end of the first age, and were looking for a way to reestablish their glory. It's almost like they never read the books before.
the idea of a 'devil's bargain' crops up in just about every literary tradition known to man, there's something inherently universal about it but sure, nobody would ever do that, it's totally unrealistic..... desperate stupidity is even sadder than normal stupidity
this and The Witcher had so much potential. Imagine if they actually nailed those two so that we had 3 big popular fantasy shows running at the same time: LOTR, GoT, and The Witcher. Damn... I mean, the money was there and the OK was given. They only didn't choose the right people with heart and soul. There ARE talented people out there who can make good stuff.
@@dh510 It's not fantasy, it's all hollywood media. The writers of modern media have two fatal flaws: They think anything made before the year 2015 is automatically bad and needs to be modernized, and they have a corrupted morality.
@@dh510 Because they want to "reimagine it for modern audiences". Ie, they want to change it to suit the morons on twitter. So they strip all the character away, and replace everything with the modern "strong female character" tropes, stomp on the male characters so they never out-shine the female characters, insert identity politics, and basically just crap all over the original story. Because they think that they're "improving" it by doing so. They have zero creativity. All they know how to do is ruin things.
Them saying Annatar fooling Celebrimbor is stupid because he shouldn't have fallen for that actually just confirms their writing inabilities. All we have from Tolkien is a short line that this in fact happened. A good script writer should be able to write this scene in a way that the audience understands why Celebrimbor was fooled.
I swear it is infuriating hearing these so called show runners insult Tolkien work that they can’t copy, create or even imagine. How do you work in film and have no imagination. This is insane!
Lack of real life experience. I'm sure I could break that down to more details, and obviously different people have different outlooks and lives, but I think generally this is it.
I actually agree with the showrunners. The concept of Annatar is so dumb, who would be deceived by a malicious spirit disguised as a super hot elf sent by the Valar when they would be more realistically deceived by a scruffy mortal with a on-the-nose name like Halbrand who is found aimlessly floating on a raft and introduces himself by saying "looks are deceiving."
Watching Payne and Misery, I'm convinced they'd look at Titanic and think, "If only there'd been a second iceberg that the captain of the Titanic could have hit to undo the damage from the first."
@@cyfreusz Well as you may know that movie from 1997 was not the first time the Titanic event was made into a movie. And so it very well may be more movies about that same things later down the line.
So... as far as the show runners claiming the forging the rings as a "devil's bargain," Anatar showed up and helped many things seem to get better before the rings. It wasn't a devil's bargain. It's aid from a proven friend. The fact that they called it such is.... infuriating. The manipulation is what makes it poignant: he pretended to be a friend while all the while planning how to bring them down.
See, that would have required them to view the Second Age as a setting and not a singular story that happened at a single point in time. What they did was like taking human history from the Rise of the Roman Republic all the way to the founding of the US and compressed it into a singular story. It's ridiculous.
That's the JJ Abrams Rule of Filmmaking #3: "Criticism? Deflect! Blame the original authors somehow!" Just like when Chris Terrio said "Splitting [Rise of Skywalker into 2 movies] would have been my dream, but George [Lucas] always said it was nine movies" And Abrams said "[My Star Trek] is being true to the vision of our abilities and of what Roddenberry started."
I actually agree with the showrunners. The concept of Annatar is so dumb, who would be deceived by a malicious spirit disguised as a super hot elf sent by the Valar when they would be more realistically deceived by a scruffy mortal with a on-the-nose name like Halbrand who is found aimlessly floating on a raft and introduces himself by saying "looks are deceiving."
"All of this was through Galadriel's eyes" It's _Rashomon of Power_ . They're going to throw half a dozen possible versions of events at the wall to see what sticks.
It bothers me that people call these writers amateurs. They aren't. They have been writing scripts for 10+ years. They are just BAD. That's why they haven't gotten ANY other work. I just want to know who they are related to that they somehow got THIS job.
Amazon hired them because they would write the show the way Amazon wanted them to, very badly. What did they have to lose, everyone already knew they sucked, at least now they get paid the big bucks. However, now they have a brand new group of haters lol. I doubt they'll get work beyond this show. Unless another studio wants patsy writers as well.
@@matthewfraley4427 i dunno, i mean i dont deny that they're terrible, but i think amazon probably hired them because theu could pay them less because nobody else wants them. The good writers are probably in high demand right now. It just seems weird for a company to self sabotage on purpose. I also think the chick in charge of amazon streaming is just a moron and has no business being in show/movie production, considering she has literally spent $60 million and got nothing from some people, over the course of 3 years. Not sure why bezo hasnt axed this fool tbh, i though he was supposed to be super smart, considering he built one of the biggest companies on earth. Maybe bezos was just luck and is actually a total moron, and now we are seeing that.
@@mrcliff3709 That makes sense as JJ is one half of the duo who ruined Star Wars with Rian Johnson being the other half. I mean them getting the job wasn't surprising to me in the slightest. Bad Reboot is NOT a company I would go to when I want a movie made if I was running a parent production studio.
Annatar could be depicted as a charismatic and compelling character, written as cunning, and getting into people's heads. The character Tolkien wrote. A character of which it make sense that elves, dwarves, and humans would be drawn to and taken in by. That of course would require the right casting and most of all skilled writing. The audience would slowly witness that Annatar's personality is a manipulative persona when his true nature is a need for control, dominance, and order. He could be written as a psychopath. If the audience is drawn to the character, it would make sense why the story characters are dawn to him and are manipulated by him. Again, this requires writers that actually know how to write. Of course any writer worth their salt would jump at the chance, as would any actor to play such a role. Untalented writers and bumblers give us Halbrand.
Tolkien is still doing the Lord's work long after his death. His work is single handedly going to take down the largest and most evil corporations in the world.
That's why I maintain that Scamazon and their hired twits cannot diminish nor harm Tolkien's work. His work is an unassailable rock that cannot be hurt by the likes of RoP writers.
That's cute. His work is useless when the majority of people are sellouts and will turn a blind eye when said corpos show them some money. We don't have any major stronghold with a ton of money or influence. THEY DO and more than one. Just look how people reacted to ROP. 50% hate it and 50% "love it" because they don't have a functional brain or care in the world what actually is happening to their entertainment.
Lady Haleth is incredible. Imagine looking an elven king in the eye and telling him he's an idiot for thinking you'd ever side with the monsters who (literally) ate your family.
Are you saying that Guyadriel, Scourge of Orcs, scariest of them all, only one to ever bully Sauron, manipulative and harsh towards everyone, does not represent females and strong female character at all???? Sir Guyadriel would be so disappointed.....
I think instead of Hot Topic workers looking for Sauron it was a pack of werewolves. Since first if he’s the Lord of werewolves, it would have been cooler to see a pack of giant wolves charging through the forest and they would have most likely eaten some of the Harfoots making them heroes
I would just like to say finding this channel and the commentors here for the most part, has been such a breath of fresh air. I sadly interact with a number of people who I first was drawn to because of a shared love of Tolkien work who are now so alien to me because of their utter glee in this feverish nightmare. And after a while I just retreated and retreated because of the verbal abuse I got for daining to question the "genius" of the show. Here while I might not agree with every viewpoint at least I am not subjected to abuse because of that.
Before watching the TV show, in order to be fair and measure it in its own merits, I read the Silmarillion, and then The Children of Húrin and Lúthien and Beren. Objectively, without judging the quality of the TV show, I don't see how it is related to Tolkien, seems to be related only to Jackson's movies. Subjectively I understand some would like this TV show, even if one doesn't consider it related to Tolkien, but only if they get enjoyment from CGI and maybe expand the world for role games or so, otherwise there is not much of a story, is more a videogame.
Wait what, there are people actually enjoying this show? I'm not a Tolkien fan - only ever read The Hobbit and watched the Jackson movies - so I couldn't spot the errors in canon/lore in ROP. But regardless, for me this was one of the worst TV-series ever... I never cared about any of the characters, wasn't surprised by anything that happened and never felt a single emotion during the 8 hours of the show. So regardless of Tolkien; how can anyone like this show? Honestly?
@@everlastingscribe Haha and even if that were true, ROP didn't quite fix that problem... never disliked 'strong women' more in any series than all of them in this one. HOTD showed what strong women characters look like.
Truly, they 'like' this abomination?? Are they completely braindead or did they ever read one of Tolkiens Stories?? Just how!? Hmmm, wondering what kind of political views they've got. I can already guess...
Did you notice that Hallbrandt , who after their story did prepare the stupid sword key and Volcano and all this trash almost allowed himself to let that plan fail. Because he did not know that theo had the wrong item in his little package. Or did he want to avoid the pyroclastic flow coming towards himself? Its all so stupid.
@@etherealsekrets182 You're right podholes are holes where they keep the pods they breed Amazon showrunners in..... ....oh sorry ......that was Uruk's in Isengard.
I've stopped skimming through the show after episode 2 and only watched the reviews. I had the impression, that Adar and Sauron had a falling out over the treatment of the orcs, which ended in Adar ousting Sauron. Aren't these two still enemies? Wouldn't that mean that Adar was doing his own thing and that starting Mount Doom was his idea, without any involvement of Sauron? Why would Sauron go to Mordor then, after he got found out? What is there for him to gain? Did I miss something? Were Sauron and Adar allies the entire time?
The fact that they so wrongly interpret what Sauron was doing as Annatar never fails to amuse me. "Back to the books, back to the books!" they say, with the unspoken bit being, "...to grab more character and place names, since that's all we're going to be using." Annatar didn't just show up and start offering rings to people. He offered knowledge, tutelage, and training. Elrond, Galadriel and Gil-Galad were all suspicious of him, but Celebrimbor and the other smiths were less distrustful, and wanted the knowledge of how to improve their craft. Sauron spent CENTURIES teaching them how to create magical items, magic rings (the "lesser essays in the craft" according to Gandalf) before they were skilled enough to craft the Greater Rings. Helping them to infuse the power into them, showing them how to allow the rings to be used to achieve what the elves wanted: to prevent the decay of Middle Earth. And while he was away crafting the One Ring, Celebrimbor made the three elven rings. Instead, we get them making the rings in less than five minutes of screen-time, and just crapping them out in one go. Sauron's only "teaching" was "herp derp, maybe you should try mixing the mithril with another metal". Because that's such a mind-blowing revelation for someone like Celebrimbor, who's obviously never heard of alloys in the thousands of years he's been a craftsman. And now they've written themselves into a corner. Because the elves were the ones who made the Greater Rings in Tolkien's lore. Who's going to make them now? Sauron himself? Then what? Go around literally handing out rings to people, the way the showrunners say would be stupid? Though I guess with their "nuclear bomb" allegory, everyone is going to want a ring, so he's just going to run around passing them out as "nuclear deterrents" or something like that. Ugh. So stupid.
''And they'll be so confused by our inconsistent story-line that they will ask themselves, 'does Halbrand just brushing-off a fatal wound a hint that he might be more then a mortal man? or is this just another instance of the plot forgetting what was previously established... yet again?'''
By that reckoning, Bronwyn's expeditious recovery from multiple arrow strikes hints that she is Ungoliant in her human form. Now we just have to watch her other scenes to find confirmation.
I'm still exited for season 2 when they show how Sauron clones himself and takes on the form of Isildur, invents a story of how he survived the burning building just to eventually be one of the first kings of Gondor and to be in the right place at the right time to not destroy the ring in Mount Doom at the start of LotR. Sauron is the best mastermind of all time.
I'll never forgive Rings of Power for making me lower considerably my tolerance treshold for bad movies/series. There was always some leeway for things that don't really make sense in many of the movies that I like, but now is almolst like everything goes. This is definetly the worst possible way of spending 1 billion dollars.
The only way they can save this show is by firing everyone involved and have season 2 start with Cate Blanchett waking up and saying that she had a horrible nightmare.
I've been so offended by the Amazon marketing on this and McPayne's awful interviews I've actually cancelled my Amazon Prime membership. Nice going Jeff!
@@CordeliaWagner I had not thought about it. But the only “merch” I’ve seen here in the USA is Amazon packaging. I can still enjoy my non-RoP KitKats. Condolences
Adobe apps have fanart of RoP on the loading screens, yes it's infuriating, not only because its a shit series, but because of what this brings to the future.
they completely miss the point about annatar helping with the rings. he didn't just pops to the elven lands telling them to forge a ring, he befriended them for decades thus earning him their trust.
Canon Sauron caused the fall of *all of Numinor* by allowing himself to be captured (cos he knew he couldn’t stand to their armies, canonical numinoreans are BADASSES) and then he Grima Wormtongued the king to madness NOT THAT SHOWRUNNERS KNOW THAT
They probably do, but feel uncomfortable with the fact that he converted the Numenoreans to Morgoth worship, got them to start performing human sacrifice, and then got them roflstomped by God.
I want to understand the "hidden clues" behind the Chief Financial Officer signing off this travesty. And each tranche release from the allocation if you, for example, completely change countries halfway through filming. The way the showrunners lie and retcon the production we'll probably be listening to wistful tales of filming in Patagonia by the end of the month.
1. They clearly haven't read the story if they think Annatar just shows up and says let me fix all your problems... but 2. their "better" version was to have a random man walk upto celebrimbor and say - have you tried mixing metals together???
The thing that really gets me is that rumor from last week where higher ups at Amazon are apparently shocked at how bad the show turned out. Okay. So. How are you shocked? Did you hand two complete unknowns with zero actual experience or credits to their name a blank check and then just never bothered to check up on them? Did no one read and approve the scripts? Was no one sitting in on the writer's room to protect Amazon's interests? Did no one review the dailies? Was there no one involved in casting? Was there no oversight on set to protect Amazon's investment? Was no one sitting in on the editing room to give input? Did no one at Amazon actually watch any of the episodes before they aired? Was there no one, at all, from Amazon involved in any part of the production of the show? If they are shocked at how bad the show was, that means they just completely ignored the show runners and let them off their leashes to do whatever they wanted. And frankly, they got exactly what they deserved for that. I actually teach a creative writing college course at the local community college a few nights a week. I've been showing clips of this show to the class. Watching the utter failure in writing in action like that is a far better teacher to them than I will ever be. This show is great. It gives me so many examples of what not to do and why than I could ever have asked for. I've been using a lot of She Hulk clips too. It is crazy that two high budget, high profile shows that were utter garbage came out at the exact same time like that.
It is a masterpiece. My favourite part was when Celebrimbor finished the three rings and said "I did it. I'm the lord of the rings!" and then Halbrand added "...the rings _of power_". Goosebumps.
They wrote a story, it was widely disliked, so they are retconning "hidden meanings" to the story. Also, how is a dagger a symbol of innocence? The dagger was a symbol of her quest for revenge, from her taking it from her dead brother, and lines like "lay down your sword" "who am I without it?" how can it be innocence??
A show or movie can be written and shown through differen perspectives; nice exemple is the ( historical) Last Duel, where the same story is shown through the eyes of the three participats in the drama. Bt you need somebody who can write more than just his signature on a paycheck.
@@MorleyRobertson1975 I think in future they will choose to be known by other names that less embarrassing Mr Farty N O'Brain and Master S. Mellysh Itpants
There is not a single doubt in my mind that I have derived far more entertainment from watching your videos than I would ever have gotten out of the Rings of Power, if I had watched it.
7:10 actually, sauron wasn't a general or an army kinda person in the second age... he actually preferred subtle deception... that's the entire point of annatar the lord of gifts and him going as zigur to numenor... he actually lost his ability to shapeshift to a fair form at the fall of numenor that's why he resorts to using armies in the 3rd age and even then, he still tried to use deceit first by calling himself the necromancer in the north in the third age... he actually prefers deceit... but not as subtle as hellbrand that we can't even tell what the subtlety was and have to nrely on head canon whilst the hack showrunners take credit for our own headcanon that conceived ourselves... sauron had a purpose for his deceit and knew he was doing it... by the way, just because he preferred subtle deceit doesn't mean he doesn't like to use his armies... in fact, he likes stockpiling them... sauron's deceit should have been the twist and not sauron himself... we were already expecting and anyone that's close to the elves that's not a character we know, we would have guessed immediately was sauron so the writers should have used his plans instead... show him working, planning and deceiving but don't reveal how he's going to tie everything into making the rings until the end and that would act as the twist... just like little finger or varys in game of thrones... but that requires talent to achieve which is seriously lacking in Hollywood... they'll never be able to pull it off because a character can only be as smart as the writers writing him so that's not possible so they went for their level, the easiest twist to guess, the lowest hanging fruit... because that's the height of their talent... these guys suck in everyday... amazon should've made a story that was almost completely written by tolkien and hire a director to make it into a visual medium without adding to the story, because I don't see why you would take the age with the least amount of story and not write your own story following the lore and the world tolkien already highlighted, instead, they crumpled everything and decided to make their own lore too, then what's the point of buying tolkien's work then when you don't even intend for anything in it to be tolkien??? they just wasted money and lose more fans when they could have made their own original story with it... and those hacks, they can't write, produce, conceptualize, direct, cast and they don't know anything about filmography, videography, and cinematography, so what the hell are they good for... two things we need to know... how was the 1b spent because it's definitely not all on this shit show... and how did those hack showrunners and writers and the entire crew and even the cast get their jobs to be in this billion-dollar show, especially the showrunners, how did they manage to get this high stakes very expensive gig when they are this shit??? who are they??? what are they??? who the hell did they know or did they bribe or blackmail??? how and why the hell were they chosen??? were there no other better options??? even monkeys would have been an improvement...
I think the whole…. Creating a huge army or Orcs and Trolls and destroy most of Eregion in the war of Elves and Sauron. …would cover the part where he leads armies.
@@yorkshirePundit i never said he didn't use his army... read my comment completely before adding an pointless opinion... i was correcting disparu by telling him that sauron prefers subtlety to armies... that doesn't mean he doesn't use armies... he prefers to deceive his enemies in a subtle way first especially since his main power before the one ring was shapeshifting... even when he lost the ability to shift into a fair form, he still tried to deceive people first... he didn't take over middle earth in the second age by using an army, he deceived men into serving him... he only used an army to retrieve the rings of power from region since he won't be able to do that with deceit... the showrunners were right in this regard, because even a broken clock is right twice a day... but they implemented it in the most dumbest way possible... but I decided to correct disparu because he doesn't calm down with his criticisms... because he keeps rushing them out like them out nonstop without pausing to think twice about it before returning to the piece in subject, he misses a lot of obvious criticisms, better than the ones he gives... it's the same with when galadriel and sauron were remeniscing his so called betrayal when she found out who he was... she kept saying the opposite of what happened in the show and that sauron tricked her, and what was disparu criticking instead??? he was criticising sauron for thinking of the future with her because we already know his future and he never mentioned that obvious part after, because he didn't pause to scrutinize what was going on (he probably was already burnt out tbh because that was close to the end of the episode so he was just hearing little words in the midst of static noise at that point)... and here, he should have talked about what the hell do the showrunners think subtle means because they managed to be so obvious with sauron and yet make his plans so very dim that people might call it a series of coincidences rather than subtlety because sauron didn't seem to have a plan except to live forever in numenor as a blacksmith until they realize he's not aging and give him the witch trial treatment... but the bottomline to your pointless suggestion is that just because sauron as a dark lord has an army, doesn't mean that was his main preferred method of domination especially when it comes to a story... if he preferred armies, that would be what he uses to achieve his main plots like morgoth... morgoth hated deceit and sucked at it incredibly (but was still the best amongst the dumbass valars) so most of his plots were achieved using a surbodinate or an army, and even his method of torturing the elves was to use them to create a dark, twisted and evil army which were the orcs... he used ongoliath to steal the silmarils, he used his balrogs to basically defeat all the high kings of the elves till the valar got off their lazy ass and come take control of their fellow valar and any time he was reintroduced as a villain, it's when he's amongst his army or subordinate or he's trying to recruit some major character and was found out anytime he tried to use deceit... that's a character that prefers armies... you need to learn how to read to understand rather than read to respond...
The showrunners are basically trolling the interviewers all along. Every interview they say something different and (Morfydd mode on) "CONFLICTED" (Morfydd mode off)
Annatar wasn't offering a devil's bargain, he was just some "lord of gifts". And even ultimately, the elves and Gandalf at least still kind of liked their rings (and Galadriel's realm seemed to benefit especially). And what's not stupid about turning the elves incredibly stupid and incompetent at basics that they should be exceptional at... (Etc.) So they are just adding explicit d-ckishness, pretentiousness and disrespect to their incompetence.
Not to mention that if they had JUST read the books they would know the eleves made their three rings in secret. "During the Second Age, [Celebrimbor] lived in the Elvish realm of Eregion. Under the guidance and instruction of the Dark Lord Sauron, who feigned good intentions, calling himself Annatar, the "Lord of Gifts" - Celebrimbor openly made sixteen rings: seven for the dwarves, and nine for men. But secretly, without Annatar's knowledge, Celebrimbor created the three Rings of the Elves, the greatest and fairest of the Rings of Power. These rings were thus free of Annatar's corrupting influence. "
And they would know Galadriel distrusted Anatar and didn’t fall for it at all. But sure, Celebrimbor falling for it is much more stupid than him being a clueless grandpa who doesn’t know about alloys 🤦♂️
@@HNedel Halbrand-Totally-Not-Sauron: "Hey old man, have you tried mixing this cool mitril stuff that's been in front of your eyes this whole time with the gold and silver of Valinor?" CeleBIMBO: Wow, I actually haven't. Great idea, youngster. (eyes sparkle)
Her brothers dagger has more character development than gamadriel. And she holds it and swings it and twists it around and stares at it constantly like a 3-year old with their teddy bear, or their comfort blanket. She is only using it with direction and purpose (rather than like a teenager showing off their cosplay) a couple times.
That dagger had some major plot armor...it seems to randomly show up when story telling needs its, but I’m still trying to figure out how she didn’t lose it the sea.
Opening scene: Celebrimbor's workshop. A young, dark-haired Elf wakes up slowly and sits up from where he is slumped over a drafting table. "Ai, that is the last time I over-indulge in the two hundred year old miruvor. What was that nightmare I just had?" Then a voice calls from outside - "Celebrimbor?" And he turns to answer them 😁
@@WilliamCWayne Lol hey sometimes it hard to differentiate with text. I had a few too many beers before that comment, so yeah, I agree it'd be too predictable for those morons.
You know, they are actually elevating the old material even more, but not in the way they think. We all appreciate the books and movies because of how much better they are. Its a stark difference.
Amazon studios is complicit and ultimately responsible for shows like Wheel of Time, and Rings of Power. The studio Execs may be familiar with an incredible amount of data and marketing metrics, but seem to be lacking life experience, self awareness, and the integrity and level of maturity requisite to appreciate great characters and stories.
I really appreciate you coming up with that Wheel idea, I've decided to put 4 of them on my car! Perhaps in a few weeks I'll make a movie about it and start getting royalties on my new invention the "Car"
If they really wanted to have a forbidden romance in the series they could have effectively go for Galadriel/ Celebrimbor, the hints are there in the canon. It would create much better tension when Annatar would have entered the scene. It's so simple I cannot understand how people paid so much money didn't get it
I'm more than a bit blown away that you mentioned the stupidity of Dallas's ending, a show from the U.S. that was popular in the 70s and 80s. I wasn't a fan of the show, but I AM impressed by your knowledge of American media. Side note: I just had the rest of my brain blown out my ears when I discovered the show lasted until 1991. I guess that's what happens when you stop staying at home on weekends because you're too young to go anywhere alone; you lose touch with what's on the 3 TV channels.
I am waiting for the moment someone who actually read all of Tolkien's lore sits down on an interview with them and throws in some trick question to show them and everyone else how they have no idea of Tolkien and everything he created. We all know that, but it still intrigued me how much they actually know about the lore besides Peter Jackson's films.
Hell, they do it themselves. McKay calls the Rings the nuclear bomb of Middle Earth. Tolkien shot that down with foresight in the 50s when he said the Ring was not an allegory of the atomic bomb. That's in his published letters. If they knew anything about Tolkien they would have avoided that analogy but they didn't
There was an interview they had with GamesRadar in late July where they talked about how they made their pitch to Amazon. And from the way they described it I wondered if they'd known anything about Tolkien's writings before. The title starts with "Amazon were pitched Lord of the rings tv shows" if you want to check it out.
@@marychocolatefairy They basically went in with some memorized lines in sindarin to try and impress them, pitched a completely different story, and then when the actual Tolkien scholar they had working with them (Shippey) kept shooting down the things they wanted to change, they fired him and just started going completely nuts with the story. They tossed out 99% of Tolkien's lore, and just kept the character and place names. That's pretty much the only thing from Tolkien's works that survived their writing.
When you were talking about the spiciness of the rings and how they must have thought the one ring didn't have enough effect on the world I laughed so effing hard, thank you for telling it how it is
Just rewatched the PJ trilogy with my wife (her first time viewing!) - It's so hard to like ROP when you compare it against those movies...I really want to like it, but they've missed the mark in so many ways that I cannot ignore. You've done a good job breaking it down and I want to be optimistic, but I don't know if I will be. For crying out loud, the character I liked the most is Halbrand/Sauron. Sad.
You know the show being bad I could of dealt with, I would of just gone "That's a shame oh well." but now them trying to make this out to be the GREATEST show of all time??? ALL the while attacking the fans who didn't like the show!? What is going on in there head dude, they need just to just admit it was shit and move on.
Yep. They're even rewriting their own history after they've written it and we've seen (or heard about) it. What a bloody mess. I wonder if they think if they talk fast enough they can fool people? I suppose when you've got an interviewer that can sit there and bare faced tell them it's a masterpiece, anything's possible.
Ah yes, the whole "forging the rings using the most powerful forge ever built", despite them having asked the Dwarves to build said forge and then just... FORGETTING that they had it built and instead doing it in Celebrimbor's office-adjacent forge...
So, in the Third Age Sauron unlearned what he learned in the Second Age, and started doing again what he just realized that wasn't working... Very deep, complex and inspiring... 🤔🤔🤔😁
About Galadriel leaving the people on the raft to die, it doesn't really matter if it's justified that she did or didn't, whether she did know them or not. No...what really does matter is that *literally in the first episode*, she demanded her own brothers in arms leave their fallen comrade to freeze to death in the snow because they had to press on to find Sauron 😠 Edit: Also....are they telling us that here in a grand elven city, in a forge owned by the greatest (yet seemingly incompetent) elven smith of all time no less, there is not a single scrap of gold from their homeland? No gold coins, rings, necklaces or diadems that could be melted? It's convenient that the only scrap of Valinor gold in the entirety of Middle Earth just happens to be on Galadriel's dagger...a weak attempt to pull at our heartstrings about a dead character we hardly know and don't care about. And according to them, it sounds like "the nukes of Middle Earth" were made "for friendship." If they can't expect their series to be great until series 3, maybe they shouldn't make it at all.
I agree, I never got past the trailers..it was enough to not become invested. I was hoping that would have changed after the show aired and I would hear it was good, but that did not happen. I am a true fan of the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings by J R R Tolkien - it is my favorite trilogy. I did like the movies as well. Sad the Tolkien estate allowed this to happen.
I just wanted to also mention, that had Payne and McKay spent any time researching some of the wonderful channels on RUclips alone, regarding Tolkien's masterful works, such as; Tolkien Untangled, In Deep Geek, The Broken Sword, Nerd of the Rings, and a host of others, many of which have spent YEARS dedicating time and effort to providing us delicious episodes of lore related to the incredible stories written, they would have realized that you cannot haphazardly just concoct nonsense and call it canon respectful. These dedicated and respectful folks have provided a HUGE amount of their time into delving into every aspect of the legendarium and have been entertaining fans for YEARS with their efforts (of which I for one, am most humbly thankful). For these two individuals to think that they are capable, in the vacuum of their own hubris to do the same, is staggeringly insulting. Any one of the channels I've mentioned could have provided them guidance but then, much as they proved with beloved Mr Shippey, they wanted no guidance as that would have disrupted their quite evident AGENDA.
is it a coincident that rings of power season 2 is coming out in 2024 and so is house of the dragon season 2, its going to be fun to compare the these two
It’s hilarious to me that they fuck up at absolutely every opportunity. There is a reason HotD abandoned the “unreliable narrator” trope from Fire and Blood; it is nearly impossible to tell a compelling and meaningful story on-screen if the audience cannot be sure that the events they’re witnessing are objective reality. The events of RoP being retold memories has served no thematic/technical purpose in the entire first season, and therefor makes absolutely no sense.
The current head of the Tolkien estate cancelled the exquisite LoTR mods for several games on steam (specially the Total War ones which were top notch) and sold the rights of the franchise to these clown do drive the Lord of the Rings name into the ground, I hope that the Tolkien estate gets repercussions for this because they deserve it.
I never saw a story where so many characters from so many backgrounds and plotlines act either so conveniently or so completely stupid or even both, and I read over 50+ Fantasy or Sci-Fi novels a year for decades.
4:02 well, formally they were not her companions; but remember how she ordered to leave her weakened subordinate in that mild winter snow because she was in too much hurry? She literally ordered to leave someone she was responsible for to death for no visible reason and not because of some immediate danger (which was quite present on the raft). Now what kind of man does THAT?? Ah, she's not a man, she's a female elf, and thus can do whatever she wants without any shame or accountability. She-Hulk all along, huh?
When you were talking about Galadriel asking Saurbrand what sort of person leaves his compatriots to die. Umm, excuse me Ms G, one of your company that had been hunting Sauron in the far north for "centuries" fell due to cold, a lieutenant asked you to stop to help him, and you SAID NO. So, let me ask you, what sort of elf leaves her compatriots to die? Yet another of MANY examples of Ms G being worse than Sauron. Nice job "writers" (I had to put that in quote marks).
These Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power Showrunner reviews are always interesting. It's incredible how no matter what you think of the show, hearing what they actually INTENDED it to mean is always worse than you thought. To hear them harp on about metaphor and symbolism, the secret meanings they kept trying to add into the show (even if they didn't intend to) really makes me think they forgot about the actual entertainment. Just like the script with its false depth, this was a project that was trying to be so intellectual and philosophical, and missed the mark entirely. But what did you think of their comments, let me know your thoughts down below and as always, thanks for watching :)
So who would you rate the worse showrunners right now? RoP or SheHulk?
@@lanmandragoran8337 Yes!!!
Just for me can we not call it LOTR: the rings of power and just call it rings of power. It has nothing to do with that masterpiece of film.
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LOL👍!!!! You look super amazing in glasses.
The ROP writers were exceptionally talented. They managed to make the protagonists more unlikeable than Sauron. That takes skill.
I didn't think I'd ever be cheering for the orcs
But here I am
Sauron for Lord of Middle Earth SA 1500. Make Tolkien Great Again!
Hmm, you gotta admit, I realized I would be scared she would burn Numenor down too if they didn't give her the boats.... After all isn't that what her and her family did at Aquilonde??
@@Mister_Clean legit never thought I'd find Uruks more likeable than Galadriel.
Yeah, Galadriel corrupted Sauron...didn't see that one coming! Lol.
The only people who didn’t think Halbrand was Sauron were the ones saying, “No way they’d do that, it would be too stupid.”
We vastly over-estimated their estimation of our intellects.
Well I honestly thought it was so obvious only an idiot would do it so they must be making this guy the Witch King. They totally fooled me and were in fact that big a bunch of idiots.
That was me. I was hoping they would make Halbrand a ringwraith or a werewolf. And his interest in blacksmithing was only so he could help Sauron in some way. UGH.
Everyone else said "Halbrand is totally Sauron, because it is just too stupid and these writers are id**ts"
I really did think that, but I no longer expect any level of intelligence now
Re-watched Jackson trilogy this week. Jackson can do more in 5 minutes than RoP does in a full episode.
An exaggeration but yeah, this season is approximately 8 hours long (supposedly 1/5 of the whole show if it ever gets finished) and at that point in the Jackson trilogy we beat the belrog, Boremir died, we had the battle of Helm's deep, siege of Isengard, most of the fellowship was back together, and Frodo and Sam could see the fires of Mt. Doom.
And ironically, what he did was easier than what they’re trying to do. The source material is there. Just read it!
With a third of the money he and others created a cinematic masterpiece that catched the feeling of Tolkien's books perfectly.
Of course they couldn't sqeeze the books into 9 hours of movie, but they did a great job to stick to Tolkien's message about bravery, hope, loyalty and friendship.
You don't need people of colour and mary-sue pseudo feminists because these values can inspire everybody who has humanity in their hearts.
@@abehambino Well I wouldn't know if what Peter Jackson did was easier.. I remember hearing/reading that they spent YEARS planning and writing before they even shot a scene or built any stage. In a way they were spared a lot of the critique of how the show should look like artistically, but on the other hand they did everything very well. The world looks believable. The Shire, Gondor, Rohan, Lothlorien, Moria and Mordor.. They look like believable places. Rings of Power looks artificial.
even in the awful Hobbit movies which look incredible next to ROP
Galadriel: “What kind of man would leave his companions to die?”
I seem to remember something about her wanting to leave her soldier to die in the snow…
Yes I remember that scene from the first episode and the lack of empathy for any of her soldiers that were killed by the snow troll who to be honest I think was defending it home.
That was simply the recollection of the ice troll.
You really have to remember who these people are acolytes of JJ Abrams, the destroyer of franchises, the man who couldn’t mystery Box his way out of a paper bag
Sauron is so misunderstood
@@5against1radio58NO SORON Is not misunderstood. He is evil incarnate and if you bothered to read token and understand talking and what it’s about you wouldn’t know that but since you obviously didn’t, you’re just a dumbass like the show runners.
"I'm Sauron. Sauron Skywalker."
Abrams is the worst thing that happened to cinema in the last 40+ years.
@@OtterloopB no your not dumb ass your no more a skywalker as ray is you are just idiot
ROP is actually incredible, it made "The Hobbit: an unexpected forced trilogy" looks like A FREAKIN MASTERPIECE!!!!!
Yes!!!!
I'm sure this fiasco has boosted the sale of the original trilogy blurays no end.
P&M would have made Smaug sympathetic, longing for his long lost love, Smaugette, who will only return of he attains enough gold.
"Creating ambiguity and intrigue"
@@JackChurchill101 "Touch the darkness, Smaugette."
@@JackChurchill101
Smaugette.
I hate it 🤣
I'm grateful for 'The Rings of Power', because it increased my appreciation The Lord of the Rings, and made me want to watch the films and read the books again for the first time in over ten years.
yeah and i bet all the tolkien lore channels got a big boost in views, learning about stuff just to appreciate the totality of rings of power might not be the noblest thing but it sure was fun
If you read the books you'd have no respect for any of the films.
@@TKFKU if you watched PJ’s films, you’d appreciate the difference between an author, a director, and a couple of patsies who JJ put on a pedestal to distract us from all the bad robot fingers in the ROP pie.
many creators let whoever destroy their work, to create this comparison. they get a huge paycheck and original fans gain deeper appreciation lol
DBZ author been doing this forever
It makes me aware of how many bad people are in powerfull positions...
They totally missed the point of the Annatar story. It wasn't a devil's bargain at all. Just goes to show how well they actually know the source material.
Wasn't it just simple deception?
@@Dravianpn02 well, not simple.... it was Sauron preying upon the deepest desires of each race. The Elves desire to preserve the world they knew, the dwarves inherent greed, the Humans ambition. His greatest weapon against the individual races was basically themselves, he just gave them amplifiers.
@@Dravianpn02 Plus Celebrimbor was in love with Galadriel so wanted to give her something to prove his worth
@@petriew2018 plus it happened over centuries, far the opposite of a passerby coming in at a random moment and messing up with Celebrimbor’s mind in a few minutes
@@cnreidy depends on what book you read. Tolkien changed it couple of times
Disparu @12:59 -- _"She didn't have an arc! She started a cow, she ended a cow!"_
there it is.
that's the quote that belongs on the Season 1 DVD box set. 🤣
I've seen more personality and character development from the orcs in Shadow of War
@@overlord5134 Shadow of war was a great game sadly they tried to push micro transactions to a stupid degree hopefully all of that is fixed now.
Jackson's Trilogy will always remain the living proof that you don't need billions to keep your heart in the right place to tell a great story or respect the work of a talented writer.
All you need is a little humbleness, just like the heroes in that story.
Those were very expensive movies to make.
4:28 it's not a metaphor of Sauron affecting Galadriel, my dude. Even worse. It's Galadriel showing Sauron the way of abandoning others and being an evil narcissistic monster. Galadriel was like "Keep notes bud"
The wHite man Sauron controls and corrupts Galladydrill.
Hopefully we have considerable Galadriel growth arc in the seasons. Look she hasn’t been laid in a millennia. She’s wound up tight
@@aprilwright3900 What about Celeborn? Who knows how long ago it was they had sexual intercourse. Do elves have a sexual desire similar to humans?
@@mattiassvanberg8292 From what I remember, if they want to get pregnant, they just get pregnant - no need for intercourse. Not sure about human/elven children though. Pretty sure Aragorn clapped those Arwen cheeks
What kind of retarded toddler says "my dude?"
I loved the part in Tolkien's life where he realised that the reason why stones sink is because they're always looking the wrong way. And then when Tolkien's friend C.S. Lewis said to him, "Give me the meat, and give it to me raw!" and Tolkien said, "Hey, I like that!" and then he wrote that down in his book, and then later that book got adapted into an Amazon streaming series. Truly inspiring stuff!
People make devil's bargains for stupid reasons all the time. The key is to make a stupid issue seem much more important than it actually is.
The Elves at the time were in decline after the end of the first age, and were looking for a way to reestablish their glory.
It's almost like they never read the books before.
Maby it's like with The Witch and Halo where the showrunners openly say they hate the source material.
@@CordeliaWagner It probably is.
At the very least, they've certainly never read them.
They could tell way more interesting stories if they had.
There have been many instances of devil's bargains made to acquire power. Kiss my ring churls.
What stupid reasons do you mean? Examples?
the idea of a 'devil's bargain' crops up in just about every literary tradition known to man, there's something inherently universal about it
but sure, nobody would ever do that, it's totally unrealistic.....
desperate stupidity is even sadder than normal stupidity
this and The Witcher had so much potential. Imagine if they actually nailed those two so that we had 3 big popular fantasy shows running at the same time: LOTR, GoT, and The Witcher. Damn... I mean, the money was there and the OK was given. They only didn't choose the right people with heart and soul. There ARE talented people out there who can make good stuff.
They've f*cked up Wheel of Time, too...
What is it with fantasy, that they can't help themselves and simply have to ruin it?
@@dh510 It's not fantasy, it's all hollywood media. The writers of modern media have two fatal flaws: They think anything made before the year 2015 is automatically bad and needs to be modernized, and they have a corrupted morality.
Omg yes! Kudos to Henry Cavill saying “fuck this”
Wokeism ruined everything
@@dh510
Because they want to "reimagine it for modern audiences". Ie, they want to change it to suit the morons on twitter.
So they strip all the character away, and replace everything with the modern "strong female character" tropes, stomp on the male characters so they never out-shine the female characters, insert identity politics, and basically just crap all over the original story. Because they think that they're "improving" it by doing so.
They have zero creativity. All they know how to do is ruin things.
Them saying Annatar fooling Celebrimbor is stupid because he shouldn't have fallen for that actually just confirms their writing inabilities.
All we have from Tolkien is a short line that this in fact happened. A good script writer should be able to write this scene in a way that the audience understands why Celebrimbor was fooled.
Othello is fake news
I swear it is infuriating hearing these so called show runners insult Tolkien work that they can’t copy, create or even imagine. How do you work in film and have no imagination. This is insane!
Lack of real life experience. I'm sure I could break that down to more details, and obviously different people have different outlooks and lives, but I think generally this is it.
Little wonder they had scripts rejected for years till hack Abrams got them their chance
They are mormons. It explains a lot.
the scary part is they dont even have the imagination to recognise theyre complete idiots
I actually agree with the showrunners. The concept of Annatar is so dumb, who would be deceived by a malicious spirit disguised as a super hot elf sent by the Valar when they would be more realistically deceived by a scruffy mortal with a on-the-nose name like Halbrand who is found aimlessly floating on a raft and introduces himself by saying "looks are deceiving."
Watching Payne and Misery, I'm convinced they'd look at Titanic and think,
"If only there'd been a second iceberg that the captain of the Titanic could have hit to undo the damage from the first."
I'm sure they would introduce more black actors, or even black protagonist into the Titanic film.
@@dark3031 Icebergs are so racist we need IOC
There was no remake of Titanic yet? Crap, for sure, some studio will eventually get this idea and make woke version of it...
@@cyfreusz "I'm the Woman King of the World!" 😂
@@cyfreusz Well as you may know that movie from 1997 was not the first time the Titanic event was made into a movie. And so it very well may be more movies about that same things later down the line.
So... as far as the show runners claiming the forging the rings as a "devil's bargain," Anatar showed up and helped many things seem to get better before the rings. It wasn't a devil's bargain. It's aid from a proven friend. The fact that they called it such is.... infuriating. The manipulation is what makes it poignant: he pretended to be a friend while all the while planning how to bring them down.
See, that would have required them to view the Second Age as a setting and not a singular story that happened at a single point in time. What they did was like taking human history from the Rise of the Roman Republic all the way to the founding of the US and compressed it into a singular story. It's ridiculous.
Ha, Star Wars-Sequels all over again!
How on earth can they blame Tolkien for their own incompetence!?
That's the JJ Abrams Rule of Filmmaking #3: "Criticism? Deflect! Blame the original authors somehow!"
Just like when Chris Terrio said "Splitting [Rise of Skywalker into 2 movies] would have been my dream, but George [Lucas] always said it was nine movies"
And Abrams said "[My Star Trek] is being true to the vision of our abilities and of what Roddenberry started."
I actually agree with the showrunners. The concept of Annatar is so dumb, who would be deceived by a malicious spirit disguised as a super hot elf sent by the Valar when they would be more realistically deceived by a scruffy mortal with a on-the-nose name like Halbrand who is found aimlessly floating on a raft and introduces himself by saying "looks are deceiving."
@@Nopeasaurus The books are always right. How about they actually “go back to the books” as promised?
@@Makkaru112 They clearly think they can do better than the books. They even wrote their own dialogue, which is just poetry to the ears.
Because all the Blue haired land whales can do is project.
"All of this was through Galadriel's eyes"
It's _Rashomon of Power_ . They're going to throw half a dozen possible versions of events at the wall to see what sticks.
Throwing shit into the fan feels more accurate.
Except Rashomon was actually good. XD
It bothers me that people call these writers amateurs. They aren't. They have been writing scripts for 10+ years. They are just BAD. That's why they haven't gotten ANY other work. I just want to know who they are related to that they somehow got THIS job.
They worked at Bad Robot with JJ Abrams.
Amazon hired them because they would write the show the way Amazon wanted them to, very badly. What did they have to lose, everyone already knew they sucked, at least now they get paid the big bucks. However, now they have a brand new group of haters lol. I doubt they'll get work beyond this show. Unless another studio wants patsy writers as well.
@@matthewfraley4427 i dunno, i mean i dont deny that they're terrible, but i think amazon probably hired them because theu could pay them less because nobody else wants them. The good writers are probably in high demand right now. It just seems weird for a company to self sabotage on purpose.
I also think the chick in charge of amazon streaming is just a moron and has no business being in show/movie production, considering she has literally spent $60 million and got nothing from some people, over the course of 3 years. Not sure why bezo hasnt axed this fool tbh, i though he was supposed to be super smart, considering he built one of the biggest companies on earth. Maybe bezos was just luck and is actually a total moron, and now we are seeing that.
@@mrcliff3709 That makes sense as JJ is one half of the duo who ruined Star Wars with Rian Johnson being the other half. I mean them getting the job wasn't surprising to me in the slightest. Bad Reboot is NOT a company I would go to when I want a movie made if I was running a parent production studio.
Annatar could be depicted as a charismatic and compelling character, written as cunning, and getting into people's heads. The character Tolkien wrote. A character of which it make sense that elves, dwarves, and humans would be drawn to and taken in by. That of course would require the right casting and most of all skilled writing. The audience would slowly witness that Annatar's personality is a manipulative persona when his true nature is a need for control, dominance, and order. He could be written as a psychopath. If the audience is drawn to the character, it would make sense why the story characters are dawn to him and are manipulated by him. Again, this requires writers that actually know how to write. Of course any writer worth their salt would jump at the chance, as would any actor to play such a role. Untalented writers and bumblers give us Halbrand.
I think writing a character like that would also bring the producers and scriptwriters a little too close to home for their comfort.
Tolkien is still doing the Lord's work long after his death. His work is single handedly going to take down the largest and most evil corporations in the world.
wait, that's so poetic! Nice one.
That's why I maintain that Scamazon and their hired twits cannot diminish nor harm Tolkien's work. His work is an unassailable rock that cannot be hurt by the likes of RoP writers.
not the most evil, but its still a witty observation - good angle - well done
@@cuz_i_sedso9574 I didn't state any corporations by name. So what does that say about how you view the narrative?
That's cute. His work is useless when the majority of people are sellouts and will turn a blind eye when said corpos show them some money. We don't have any major stronghold with a ton of money or influence. THEY DO and more than one. Just look how people reacted to ROP. 50% hate it and 50% "love it" because they don't have a functional brain or care in the world what actually is happening to their entertainment.
As a woman, I feel extremely insulted by theyr image of femininity. I prefer Lady Haleth, Melian and Tolkiens Galadriel.
💯
Lady Haleth is incredible. Imagine looking an elven king in the eye and telling him he's an idiot for thinking you'd ever side with the monsters who (literally) ate your family.
Are you saying that Guyadriel, Scourge of Orcs, scariest of them all, only one to ever bully Sauron, manipulative and harsh towards everyone, does not represent females and strong female character at all????
Sir Guyadriel would be so disappointed.....
@@imma5761 She might represent somebody, but not me. She is not represented as a womam, but rather a very cocky guy with PMS.
Plot twist for season 2! Galadriel turns out to be Morgoth, which would actually explain a lot.
I think instead of Hot Topic workers looking for Sauron it was a pack of werewolves. Since first if he’s the Lord of werewolves, it would have been cooler to see a pack of giant wolves charging through the forest and they would have most likely eaten some of the Harfoots making them heroes
That would have been such a better version!
Rings of power but Epic
Oh yeah! That would’ve been awesome!
Only if they ate all of the Harfoots-- but yes!👏👏👏
These utter clowns don't even know what a wolf looks like. If they'd done werewolves, they'd have looked like flying squid-rhinos.
"It brings people together.... in unified disgust" 🤣
Showrunners: if no one agrees its a masterpiece, screech louder.
Me: Problem is people will punt your teeth in
This reminds me of the tale of "the emperor's new clothes"...
But you have fan theorists coming up with convoluted theories to say the show is secretly brilliant
I genuinely wish the punting part happens
I would just like to say finding this channel and the commentors here for the most part, has been such a breath of fresh air. I sadly interact with a number of people who I first was drawn to because of a shared love of Tolkien work who are now so alien to me because of their utter glee in this feverish nightmare. And after a while I just retreated and retreated because of the verbal abuse I got for daining to question the "genius" of the show. Here while I might not agree with every viewpoint at least I am not subjected to abuse because of that.
Before watching the TV show, in order to be fair and measure it in its own merits, I read the Silmarillion, and then The Children of Húrin and Lúthien and Beren. Objectively, without judging the quality of the TV show, I don't see how it is related to Tolkien, seems to be related only to Jackson's movies. Subjectively I understand some would like this TV show, even if one doesn't consider it related to Tolkien, but only if they get enjoyment from CGI and maybe expand the world for role games or so, otherwise there is not much of a story, is more a videogame.
Wait what, there are people actually enjoying this show? I'm not a Tolkien fan - only ever read The Hobbit and watched the Jackson movies - so I couldn't spot the errors in canon/lore in ROP. But regardless, for me this was one of the worst TV-series ever... I never cared about any of the characters, wasn't surprised by anything that happened and never felt a single emotion during the 8 hours of the show. So regardless of Tolkien; how can anyone like this show? Honestly?
@@Wilco106 girl power. "Tolkien didn't write strong women. Arwen had to be added into the movies" ::cries in Eowyn::
@@everlastingscribe Haha and even if that were true, ROP didn't quite fix that problem... never disliked 'strong women' more in any series than all of them in this one. HOTD showed what strong women characters look like.
Truly, they 'like' this abomination??
Are they completely braindead or did they ever read one of Tolkiens Stories?? Just how!?
Hmmm, wondering what kind of political views they've got. I can already guess...
Did you notice that Hallbrandt , who after their story did prepare the stupid sword key and Volcano and all this trash almost allowed himself to let that plan fail. Because he did not know that theo had the wrong item in his little package. Or did he want to avoid the pyroclastic flow coming towards himself? Its all so stupid.
the story has more plotholes than a Detroit highway had podholes during Detroit's deepest financial crisis.
You get brain damage when you ask how anything in this show makes sense...
@@kamion53 potholes
@@etherealsekrets182 You're right podholes are holes where they keep the pods they breed Amazon showrunners in.....
....oh sorry ......that was Uruk's in Isengard.
I've stopped skimming through the show after episode 2 and only watched the reviews.
I had the impression, that Adar and Sauron had a falling out over the treatment of the orcs, which ended in Adar ousting Sauron.
Aren't these two still enemies?
Wouldn't that mean that Adar was doing his own thing and that starting Mount Doom was his idea, without any involvement of Sauron?
Why would Sauron go to Mordor then, after he got found out? What is there for him to gain?
Did I miss something? Were Sauron and Adar allies the entire time?
The fact that they so wrongly interpret what Sauron was doing as Annatar never fails to amuse me.
"Back to the books, back to the books!" they say, with the unspoken bit being, "...to grab more character and place names, since that's all we're going to be using."
Annatar didn't just show up and start offering rings to people. He offered knowledge, tutelage, and training. Elrond, Galadriel and Gil-Galad were all suspicious of him, but Celebrimbor and the other smiths were less distrustful, and wanted the knowledge of how to improve their craft. Sauron spent CENTURIES teaching them how to create magical items, magic rings (the "lesser essays in the craft" according to Gandalf) before they were skilled enough to craft the Greater Rings. Helping them to infuse the power into them, showing them how to allow the rings to be used to achieve what the elves wanted: to prevent the decay of Middle Earth. And while he was away crafting the One Ring, Celebrimbor made the three elven rings.
Instead, we get them making the rings in less than five minutes of screen-time, and just crapping them out in one go. Sauron's only "teaching" was "herp derp, maybe you should try mixing the mithril with another metal". Because that's such a mind-blowing revelation for someone like Celebrimbor, who's obviously never heard of alloys in the thousands of years he's been a craftsman.
And now they've written themselves into a corner. Because the elves were the ones who made the Greater Rings in Tolkien's lore. Who's going to make them now? Sauron himself? Then what? Go around literally handing out rings to people, the way the showrunners say would be stupid? Though I guess with their "nuclear bomb" allegory, everyone is going to want a ring, so he's just going to run around passing them out as "nuclear deterrents" or something like that. Ugh. So stupid.
Just let them keep up the fart sniffing. It's pure comedy.
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"The rings are supposed to come from friendship? No they're not! They come from evil, pure evil."🤣🤣🤣
''And they'll be so confused by our inconsistent story-line that they will ask themselves, 'does Halbrand just brushing-off a fatal wound a hint that he might be more then a mortal man? or is this just another instance of the plot forgetting what was previously established... yet again?'''
Nah, they always make it up as they go.
By that reckoning, Bronwyn's expeditious recovery from multiple arrow strikes hints that she is Ungoliant in her human form. Now we just have to watch her other scenes to find confirmation.
I'm still exited for season 2 when they show how Sauron clones himself and takes on the form of Isildur, invents a story of how he survived the burning building just to eventually be one of the first kings of Gondor and to be in the right place at the right time to not destroy the ring in Mount Doom at the start of LotR. Sauron is the best mastermind of all time.
Amazon still hasn't said anything about their viewing numbers for Rings of Power. Their silence says everything.
I'll never forgive Rings of Power for making me lower considerably my tolerance treshold for bad movies/series. There was always some leeway for things that don't really make sense in many of the movies that I like, but now is almolst like everything goes. This is definetly the worst possible way of spending 1 billion dollars.
The only way they can save this show is by firing everyone involved and have season 2 start with Cate Blanchett waking up and saying that she had a horrible nightmare.
I've been so offended by the Amazon marketing on this and McPayne's awful interviews I've actually cancelled my Amazon Prime membership. Nice going Jeff!
In Germany the only "merch" you see is Galadriel on the packaging of KitKat. And nobody buys KitKat chocolate bars anymore...
@@CordeliaWagner I had not thought about it. But the only “merch” I’ve seen here in the USA is Amazon packaging. I can still enjoy my non-RoP KitKats. Condolences
Adobe apps have fanart of RoP on the loading screens, yes it's infuriating, not only because its a shit series, but because of what this brings to the future.
they completely miss the point about annatar helping with the rings. he didn't just pops to the elven lands telling them to forge a ring, he befriended them for decades thus earning him their trust.
Canon Sauron caused the fall of *all of Numinor* by allowing himself to be captured (cos he knew he couldn’t stand to their armies, canonical numinoreans are BADASSES) and then he Grima Wormtongued the king to madness
NOT THAT SHOWRUNNERS KNOW THAT
They probably do, but feel uncomfortable with the fact that he converted the Numenoreans to Morgoth worship, got them to start performing human sacrifice, and then got them roflstomped by God.
Also nominoreans participated in human slavery. Just shows you condensing thousands of years of story dose not make a better story.
I want to understand the "hidden clues" behind the Chief Financial Officer signing off this travesty. And each tranche release from the allocation if you, for example, completely change countries halfway through filming. The way the showrunners lie and retcon the production we'll probably be listening to wistful tales of filming in Patagonia by the end of the month.
Only reason I want there to be a Wheel of Time season 2 is so I can see Disparu destroy it! 🤣
It's a sad day when a series comes along and makes you look more kindly on WOT because despite it's flaws...things actually happened vs ROP
Wheel of Time was so forgettable - so poor - but was better than Rings of Power. Lol.
Oh wow that show exists, I COMPLETELY forgot about it
1. They clearly haven't read the story if they think Annatar just shows up and says let me fix all your problems... but 2. their "better" version was to have a random man walk upto celebrimbor and say - have you tried mixing metals together???
The thing that really gets me is that rumor from last week where higher ups at Amazon are apparently shocked at how bad the show turned out. Okay. So. How are you shocked? Did you hand two complete unknowns with zero actual experience or credits to their name a blank check and then just never bothered to check up on them? Did no one read and approve the scripts? Was no one sitting in on the writer's room to protect Amazon's interests? Did no one review the dailies? Was there no one involved in casting? Was there no oversight on set to protect Amazon's investment? Was no one sitting in on the editing room to give input? Did no one at Amazon actually watch any of the episodes before they aired? Was there no one, at all, from Amazon involved in any part of the production of the show? If they are shocked at how bad the show was, that means they just completely ignored the show runners and let them off their leashes to do whatever they wanted. And frankly, they got exactly what they deserved for that.
I actually teach a creative writing college course at the local community college a few nights a week. I've been showing clips of this show to the class. Watching the utter failure in writing in action like that is a far better teacher to them than I will ever be. This show is great. It gives me so many examples of what not to do and why than I could ever have asked for. I've been using a lot of She Hulk clips too. It is crazy that two high budget, high profile shows that were utter garbage came out at the exact same time like that.
It's simple...they cared even less for the ip than the writers did.
"If you must shout that you are King, you surely are no king." -Tywin Lannister
I don't know why but I find it hillarious and SO telling that they're calling the open tavern in numenor a 'café'.
I am so glad I found this channel. Disparu articulates exactly what I am thinking, but I am not able to contextualize
It is a masterpiece. My favourite part was when Celebrimbor finished the three rings and said "I did it. I'm the lord of the rings!" and then Halbrand added "...the rings _of power_". Goosebumps.
They wrote a story, it was widely disliked, so they are retconning "hidden meanings" to the story.
Also, how is a dagger a symbol of innocence? The dagger was a symbol of her quest for revenge, from her taking it from her dead brother, and lines like "lay down your sword" "who am I without it?" how can it be innocence??
A show or movie can be written and shown through differen perspectives; nice exemple is the ( historical) Last Duel, where the same story is shown through the eyes of the three participats in the drama.
Bt you need somebody who can write more than just his signature on a paycheck.
I'd be surprised if those people can write their own names...
@@MorleyRobertson1975 I think in future they will choose to be known by other names that less embarrassing Mr Farty N O'Brain and Master S. Mellysh Itpants
There is not a single doubt in my mind that I have derived far more entertainment from watching your videos than I would ever have gotten out of the Rings of Power, if I had watched it.
7:10 actually, sauron wasn't a general or an army kinda person in the second age... he actually preferred subtle deception... that's the entire point of annatar the lord of gifts and him going as zigur to numenor... he actually lost his ability to shapeshift to a fair form at the fall of numenor that's why he resorts to using armies in the 3rd age and even then, he still tried to use deceit first by calling himself the necromancer in the north in the third age... he actually prefers deceit... but not as subtle as hellbrand that we can't even tell what the subtlety was and have to nrely on head canon whilst the hack showrunners take credit for our own headcanon that conceived ourselves... sauron had a purpose for his deceit and knew he was doing it... by the way, just because he preferred subtle deceit doesn't mean he doesn't like to use his armies... in fact, he likes stockpiling them... sauron's deceit should have been the twist and not sauron himself... we were already expecting and anyone that's close to the elves that's not a character we know, we would have guessed immediately was sauron so the writers should have used his plans instead... show him working, planning and deceiving but don't reveal how he's going to tie everything into making the rings until the end and that would act as the twist... just like little finger or varys in game of thrones... but that requires talent to achieve which is seriously lacking in Hollywood... they'll never be able to pull it off because a character can only be as smart as the writers writing him so that's not possible so they went for their level, the easiest twist to guess, the lowest hanging fruit... because that's the height of their talent... these guys suck in everyday... amazon should've made a story that was almost completely written by tolkien and hire a director to make it into a visual medium without adding to the story, because I don't see why you would take the age with the least amount of story and not write your own story following the lore and the world tolkien already highlighted, instead, they crumpled everything and decided to make their own lore too, then what's the point of buying tolkien's work then when you don't even intend for anything in it to be tolkien??? they just wasted money and lose more fans when they could have made their own original story with it... and those hacks, they can't write, produce, conceptualize, direct, cast and they don't know anything about filmography, videography, and cinematography, so what the hell are they good for...
two things we need to know... how was the 1b spent because it's definitely not all on this shit show... and how did those hack showrunners and writers and the entire crew and even the cast get their jobs to be in this billion-dollar show, especially the showrunners, how did they manage to get this high stakes very expensive gig when they are this shit??? who are they??? what are they??? who the hell did they know or did they bribe or blackmail??? how and why the hell were they chosen??? were there no other better options??? even monkeys would have been an improvement...
I think the whole….
Creating a huge army or Orcs and Trolls and destroy most of Eregion in the war of Elves and Sauron.
…would cover the part where he leads armies.
@@yorkshirePundit i never said he didn't use his army... read my comment completely before adding an pointless opinion... i was correcting disparu by telling him that sauron prefers subtlety to armies... that doesn't mean he doesn't use armies... he prefers to deceive his enemies in a subtle way first especially since his main power before the one ring was shapeshifting... even when he lost the ability to shift into a fair form, he still tried to deceive people first... he didn't take over middle earth in the second age by using an army, he deceived men into serving him... he only used an army to retrieve the rings of power from region since he won't be able to do that with deceit... the showrunners were right in this regard, because even a broken clock is right twice a day... but they implemented it in the most dumbest way possible... but I decided to correct disparu because he doesn't calm down with his criticisms... because he keeps rushing them out like them out nonstop without pausing to think twice about it before returning to the piece in subject, he misses a lot of obvious criticisms, better than the ones he gives... it's the same with when galadriel and sauron were remeniscing his so called betrayal when she found out who he was... she kept saying the opposite of what happened in the show and that sauron tricked her, and what was disparu criticking instead??? he was criticising sauron for thinking of the future with her because we already know his future and he never mentioned that obvious part after, because he didn't pause to scrutinize what was going on (he probably was already burnt out tbh because that was close to the end of the episode so he was just hearing little words in the midst of static noise at that point)... and here, he should have talked about what the hell do the showrunners think subtle means because they managed to be so obvious with sauron and yet make his plans so very dim that people might call it a series of coincidences rather than subtlety because sauron didn't seem to have a plan except to live forever in numenor as a blacksmith until they realize he's not aging and give him the witch trial treatment...
but the bottomline to your pointless suggestion is that just because sauron as a dark lord has an army, doesn't mean that was his main preferred method of domination especially when it comes to a story... if he preferred armies, that would be what he uses to achieve his main plots like morgoth... morgoth hated deceit and sucked at it incredibly (but was still the best amongst the dumbass valars) so most of his plots were achieved using a surbodinate or an army, and even his method of torturing the elves was to use them to create a dark, twisted and evil army which were the orcs... he used ongoliath to steal the silmarils, he used his balrogs to basically defeat all the high kings of the elves till the valar got off their lazy ass and come take control of their fellow valar and any time he was reintroduced as a villain, it's when he's amongst his army or subordinate or he's trying to recruit some major character and was found out anytime he tried to use deceit... that's a character that prefers armies...
you need to learn how to read to understand rather than read to respond...
I'm grateful that channels like that exist to breakdown some of the astounding bullshit going on in modern entertainment
Galadriel was more sauronish than Sauron and the Harfoots are the pure evil in this show. Was this intention or pure incompetence?
It was projection
You've captured my emotions while watching ROP perfectly: "Boredom and disgust."
"Tolkien was kinda dumb. We made improvements that were necessary to fix the dumb parts that we do better than he did."
-the showrunners, probably
Pretty sure there was an actual interview where they literally implied something about improving his work...
Pretty sure they can... They did a marvelous job.
(Ps:sarcasm it's the worst show I watched in years)
@@josepnebotrius872 hahahaha no
@@josepnebotrius872 not a single story in this show had any arc, resolution, narrative consistency, payoff or character development.
@@josepnebotrius872 😂😂😂
I feel like you put more thought into your weekly commentary than the showrunners did into making their show fit into LOTR's established mythos.
The showrunners are basically trolling the interviewers all along. Every interview they say something different and (Morfydd mode on) "CONFLICTED" (Morfydd mode off)
Morfydd mode. Lol, I'm stealing that.
Not telling the actor that he’s secretly Sauron just made him more protagonistic because he acted like he was always meant to be budget Aragorn
"Looks can be deceiving!"
Wait...Morfydd Clark ISN'T a ferret?! 🤯
Indeed, she was a mink all along.
WHAT, Ferrets are cute... She is not...
The dishonesty, incredulity, indifference and ignorance of those in charge is baffling.
Annatar wasn't offering a devil's bargain, he was just some "lord of gifts". And even ultimately, the elves and Gandalf at least still kind of liked their rings (and Galadriel's realm seemed to benefit especially). And what's not stupid about turning the elves incredibly stupid and incompetent at basics that they should be exceptional at... (Etc.) So they are just adding explicit d-ckishness, pretentiousness and disrespect to their incompetence.
Not to mention that if they had JUST read the books they would know the eleves made their three rings in secret.
"During the Second Age, [Celebrimbor] lived in the Elvish realm of Eregion. Under the guidance and instruction of the Dark Lord Sauron, who feigned good intentions, calling himself Annatar, the "Lord of Gifts" - Celebrimbor openly made sixteen rings: seven for the dwarves, and nine for men. But secretly, without Annatar's knowledge, Celebrimbor created the three Rings of the Elves, the greatest and fairest of the Rings of Power. These rings were thus free of Annatar's corrupting influence. "
And they would know Galadriel distrusted Anatar and didn’t fall for it at all. But sure, Celebrimbor falling for it is much more stupid than him being a clueless grandpa who doesn’t know about alloys 🤦♂️
@@HNedel It's beyond bad...
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Halbrand-Totally-Not-Sauron: "Hey old man, have you tried mixing this cool mitril stuff that's been in front of your eyes this whole time with the gold and silver of Valinor?"
CeleBIMBO: Wow, I actually haven't. Great idea, youngster. (eyes sparkle)
Her brothers dagger has more character development than gamadriel. And she holds it and swings it and twists it around and stares at it constantly like a 3-year old with their teddy bear, or their comfort blanket. She is only using it with direction and purpose (rather than like a teenager showing off their cosplay) a couple times.
That dagger had some major plot armor...it seems to randomly show up when story telling needs its, but I’m still trying to figure out how she didn’t lose it the sea.
@@Gandalfthegrey12 Because the sea is always right.
@@ChallengeIdeas the sea says it’s the friends we’ve made along the way!
_Mah Gurl Galadrial_
Ugh....😔
It gets worse everytime I hear it.
And that dumb dance she does too. Cringe.
I feel physically ill every single time.
I'm really hoping season 2 opens with Elrond waking up from a nightmare that was season 1. Then they make a good show from there
Opening scene: Celebrimbor's workshop. A young, dark-haired Elf wakes up slowly and sits up from where he is slumped over a drafting table. "Ai, that is the last time I over-indulge in the two hundred year old miruvor. What was that nightmare I just had?" Then a voice calls from outside - "Celebrimbor?" And he turns to answer them 😁
There's no way they'll do that. Too predictable.
@@WilliamCWayne OH yeah, out of everything from this show, THAT would be predictable 🙄
@@seangarner7188 do you take everything at face value, or just the things you respond to?
@@WilliamCWayne Lol hey sometimes it hard to differentiate with text. I had a few too many beers before that comment, so yeah, I agree it'd be too predictable for those morons.
And I'm still wondering what Sauron wanted to achieve on a raft in the middle of the ocean.
You know, they are actually elevating the old material even more, but not in the way they think. We all appreciate the books and movies because of how much better they are. Its a stark difference.
A video about Henry Cavill and his balls of steel for quitting The Witcher would be great!
"He has Tegrity!"
- Stan Marsh
Amazon studios is complicit and ultimately responsible for shows like Wheel of Time, and Rings of Power. The studio Execs may be familiar with an incredible amount of data and marketing metrics, but seem to be lacking life experience, self awareness, and the integrity and level of maturity requisite to appreciate great characters and stories.
These two are shining examples of the Dunning-Kruger effect as applied to the creative world!
I really appreciate you coming up with that Wheel idea, I've decided to put 4 of them on my car! Perhaps in a few weeks I'll make a movie about it and start getting royalties on my new invention the "Car"
If they really wanted to have a forbidden romance in the series they could have effectively go for Galadriel/ Celebrimbor, the hints are there in the canon. It would create much better tension when Annatar would have entered the scene. It's so simple I cannot understand how people paid so much money didn't get it
I'm more than a bit blown away that you mentioned the stupidity of Dallas's ending, a show from the U.S. that was popular in the 70s and 80s.
I wasn't a fan of the show, but I AM impressed by your knowledge of American media.
Side note: I just had the rest of my brain blown out my ears when I discovered the show lasted until 1991.
I guess that's what happens when you stop staying at home on weekends because you're too young to go anywhere alone; you lose touch with what's on the 3 TV channels.
Dallas was massive in the UK and Ireland too. I used to watch it with my parents as a kid.
I HATED IT but it ment I didnt have to go to bed earlier 🤣
@@MrBizteck Ha! Way to play the system.
I had no idea it was so popular over there.
I am waiting for the moment someone who actually read all of Tolkien's lore sits down on an interview with them and throws in some trick question to show them and everyone else how they have no idea of Tolkien and everything he created.
We all know that, but it still intrigued me how much they actually know about the lore besides Peter Jackson's films.
Hell, they do it themselves. McKay calls the Rings the nuclear bomb of Middle Earth. Tolkien shot that down with foresight in the 50s when he said the Ring was not an allegory of the atomic bomb. That's in his published letters. If they knew anything about Tolkien they would have avoided that analogy but they didn't
There was an interview they had with GamesRadar in late July where they talked about how they made their pitch to Amazon. And from the way they described it I wondered if they'd known anything about Tolkien's writings before. The title starts with "Amazon were pitched Lord of the rings tv shows" if you want to check it out.
@@marychocolatefairy
They basically went in with some memorized lines in sindarin to try and impress them, pitched a completely different story, and then when the actual Tolkien scholar they had working with them (Shippey) kept shooting down the things they wanted to change, they fired him and just started going completely nuts with the story. They tossed out 99% of Tolkien's lore, and just kept the character and place names. That's pretty much the only thing from Tolkien's works that survived their writing.
@@wumpusratThey are running the JJ Abrams Franchise Mangling playbook by the numbers 🤣
I don't think their handlers will ever let that kind of interviewer anywhere near them.
My favorite scene was when Guyladriel gnarfled the Garthok. Powerful Cinema.
When you were talking about the spiciness of the rings and how they must have thought the one ring didn't have enough effect on the world I laughed so effing hard, thank you for telling it how it is
Just rewatched the PJ trilogy with my wife (her first time viewing!) - It's so hard to like ROP when you compare it against those movies...I really want to like it, but they've missed the mark in so many ways that I cannot ignore. You've done a good job breaking it down and I want to be optimistic, but I don't know if I will be. For crying out loud, the character I liked the most is Halbrand/Sauron. Sad.
You know the show being bad I could of dealt with, I would of just gone "That's a shame oh well." but now them trying to make this out to be the GREATEST show of all time??? ALL the while attacking the fans who didn't like the show!? What is going on in there head dude, they need just to just admit it was shit and move on.
Telling the audience what they should have seen after the fact is absolutely fantastic writing, unconventionally relevant
Yep. They're even rewriting their own history after they've written it and we've seen (or heard about) it. What a bloody mess. I wonder if they think if they talk fast enough they can fool people? I suppose when you've got an interviewer that can sit there and bare faced tell them it's a masterpiece, anything's possible.
Ah yes, the whole "forging the rings using the most powerful forge ever built", despite them having asked the Dwarves to build said forge and then just... FORGETTING that they had it built and instead doing it in Celebrimbor's office-adjacent forge...
Absolutely brilliant! Love it! Yes, we will entertain ourselves. Thank you Amazon for inspiring hours of entertaining content!!
So, in the Third Age Sauron unlearned what he learned in the Second Age, and started doing again what he just realized that wasn't working... Very deep, complex and inspiring... 🤔🤔🤔😁
I love you, man! Keep on fighting the good fight!
About Galadriel leaving the people on the raft to die, it doesn't really matter if it's justified that she did or didn't, whether she did know them or not.
No...what really does matter is that *literally in the first episode*, she demanded her own brothers in arms leave their fallen comrade to freeze to death in the snow because they had to press on to find Sauron 😠
Edit: Also....are they telling us that here in a grand elven city, in a forge owned by the greatest (yet seemingly incompetent) elven smith of all time no less, there is not a single scrap of gold from their homeland? No gold coins, rings, necklaces or diadems that could be melted? It's convenient that the only scrap of Valinor gold in the entirety of Middle Earth just happens to be on Galadriel's dagger...a weak attempt to pull at our heartstrings about a dead character we hardly know and don't care about.
And according to them, it sounds like "the nukes of Middle Earth" were made "for friendship."
If they can't expect their series to be great until series 3, maybe they shouldn't make it at all.
I love the note you ended on! Insightful, cutting, and based; and also funny, all of things I come to your channel for.
I agree, I never got past the trailers..it was enough to not become invested. I was hoping that would have changed after the show aired and I would hear it was good, but that did not happen. I am a true fan of the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings by J R R Tolkien - it is my favorite trilogy. I did like the movies as well. Sad the Tolkien estate allowed this to happen.
I just wanted to also mention, that had Payne and McKay spent any time researching some of the wonderful channels on RUclips alone, regarding Tolkien's masterful works, such as;
Tolkien Untangled, In Deep Geek, The Broken Sword, Nerd of the Rings, and a host of others, many of which have spent YEARS dedicating time and effort to providing us delicious episodes of lore related to the incredible stories written, they would have realized that you cannot haphazardly just concoct nonsense and call it canon respectful.
These dedicated and respectful folks have provided a HUGE amount of their time into delving into every aspect of the legendarium and have been entertaining fans for YEARS with their efforts (of which I for one, am most humbly thankful).
For these two individuals to think that they are capable, in the vacuum of their own hubris to do the same, is staggeringly insulting.
Any one of the channels I've mentioned could have provided them guidance but then, much as they proved with beloved Mr Shippey, they wanted no guidance as that would have disrupted their quite evident AGENDA.
is it a coincident that rings of power season 2 is coming out in 2024 and so is house of the dragon season 2, its going to be fun to compare the these two
I really enjoy your videos/commentary. When they come across my feed it's an instant click if I have time, or a watch later if I don't.
I can't believe someone unironically called RoP a "masterpiece".......I think there's an insane asylum and it's calling her name.
Happy to see the crazy growth of your channel lately. Your hard work is clearly paying off. Love your content brother
It’s hilarious to me that they fuck up at absolutely every opportunity. There is a reason HotD abandoned the “unreliable narrator” trope from Fire and Blood; it is nearly impossible to tell a compelling and meaningful story on-screen if the audience cannot be sure that the events they’re witnessing are objective reality. The events of RoP being retold memories has served no thematic/technical purpose in the entire first season, and therefor makes absolutely no sense.
The current head of the Tolkien estate cancelled the exquisite LoTR mods for several games on steam (specially the Total War ones which were top notch) and sold the rights of the franchise to these clown do drive the Lord of the Rings name into the ground, I hope that the Tolkien estate gets repercussions for this because they deserve it.
Can't wait for S2 and your reviews :)
I never saw a story where so many characters from so many backgrounds and plotlines act either so conveniently or so completely stupid or even both, and I read over 50+ Fantasy or Sci-Fi novels a year for decades.
Another pin-sharp analysis. Well done and thank you, sir 🙂
4:02 well, formally they were not her companions; but remember how she ordered to leave her weakened subordinate in that mild winter snow because she was in too much hurry? She literally ordered to leave someone she was responsible for to death for no visible reason and not because of some immediate danger (which was quite present on the raft). Now what kind of man does THAT?? Ah, she's not a man, she's a female elf, and thus can do whatever she wants without any shame or accountability. She-Hulk all along, huh?
When you were talking about Galadriel asking Saurbrand what sort of person leaves his compatriots to die. Umm, excuse me Ms G, one of your company that had been hunting Sauron in the far north for "centuries" fell due to cold, a lieutenant asked you to stop to help him, and you SAID NO. So, let me ask you, what sort of elf leaves her compatriots to die? Yet another of MANY examples of Ms G being worse than Sauron. Nice job "writers" (I had to put that in quote marks).
Once again...this is more entertaining than the woke amazon show.