Honestly, if Oscar had joined the Michael Scott Paper Company, they might have had a sustainable business model and lasted. Especially if a good salesman went with them.
*Actually* the company still would have done poorly. They might have lasted a little longer but at the end of the day the only reason they were able to acquire customers was because they charged the bare minimum on price.
@@cruizlee214 The fact that Ryan did not know to calculate under "the variable cost" parameter (which I learned within the subject: Basic Economy in 1st year studying law on Law University) - told me he is terribly incompetant in his profession 😂
My theory as to why Michael Scott was a successful manager while Charles is not isn’t that his incompetence inspires his workers to work harder to offset his failures - but he actually IS a good manager. Remember on Michael’s last day when Jim tells him that he is the best boss he had ever had? I don’t think that was just blind nostalgia talking. Jim is often fairly pragmatic- he is a goof and a romantic but he is also a realist. He doesn’t wear Halloween costumes, doesn’t believe in ghosts and doesn’t try to present things he wants to be true as if they are facts. So for Jim to say this, he would have to actually believe it. I think what makes Michael a great boss was also what made him appear like such a bad boss - he let his staff feel like they would never get fired, he let them leave in the middle of the day, pull elaborate pranks, and always feel safe. That atmosphere means that talented people like Dwight and Jim, who might have otherwise taken their talents elsewhere (or been fired over behavior unrelated to their sales records because someone pulled a dumb prank or someone else acted like a weirdo) would stick to Dunder Mifflin because other jobs come with risks - Michael is annoying but they also know that they are safe and they won’t be stressed. Charles meanwhile, cared about the appearance of a well run company but not about the people working there. So he made people feel unsafe, he immediately made Jim feel insecure - one of the company’s best sales person felt miserable at work and probably began thinking about other places he could be applying. He also would have likely fired Dwight the second he started paying close enough attention to recognize that Dwight is deeply weird. His pursuit of the appearance of professionalism would have lost the company its two best salesmen in a matter of months. Michael Scott’s reputation is that of a great salesman who was promoted beyond his ability to being a bad manager - but as much as his employees rolled their eyes at him and complained, they stuck around. He was a results oriented not process oriented and that can mean retaining some excellent talent so long as you don’t worry about how the sausage is made. If an employee is selling more product than anyone else at the company, why worry about whether or not that guy is coming in late or taking long naps? The results were what mattered. Granted - he also retained some truly crappy employees, like Ryan, Kevin and Andy. Because Michael wasn’t really results oriented so much as he was “family” oriented - but the strong sales people he retained were good enough to make up for the weak spots. So he “accidentally” did a great job managing by making his employees feel secure and not stressed about their jobs.
I think Jim's dont-ask-don't-tell policy on the financial situation of the MSPC is actually the smartest move. The MSPC is a private company, no shareholders, etc., so their books are closed and their finances are private information. Him being party to that information as a member of a competing company is also a conflict of interest in the opposite direction.
Devils advocate: Jim doesn't do anything wrong. MSPC could still operate for another month, plenty of time to further damage DM's reputation in the region. There's never a promise that those companies would go back to them if MSPC went under, especially given how easy they left the first time. Jim was sent down to see if they would be receptive to a buyout, which is still a very logical option for DM, and particularly David Wallace. Once they agree, it's on Wallace to handle the negotiation, not Jim. Even without Dwight's information, Wallace already deduced that they can't maintain their prices for very long, but ends up giving in to their demands to save his own ass. Given that every other branch ends up closing anyway, there's an argument to be made that Jim saved the Scranton Branch.
So after doing some research, what Jim did in this episode is *not* illegal. Legally, Jim was the one told to tell MSPC they would like to buy them out. Jim has something called plausible deniability, he “technically” doesn’t know MSPC is broke. The closest thing he can be charged with is is miss holding information, which is only a misdemeanor
I'm pretty sure he just correctly assumes that anyway, and when he correctly assumes he's going to be told information that he has to acknowledge he stops that from happening,
Jim's little knowing point to Michael after he boots Charles is one of my favorite bites in the entire show. He basically says "look at what this guy can really do" without saying a word.
I absolutely love the Michael Scott Paper Company episodes. Seriously the best arc in the series. Also, look forward to all your uploads! Love the content. Keep it up
Old but the "most profitable branch" is very simple. They took in all the business from the other branch in season 3 and only Andy remained as an increase in payroll cost
This is my favorite episode. The "nope, yur done" moment is just so damn sweet after so many episodes of the absolutely intolerable Charles, seeing him go was the high point of the season!
I never understood that moment. Technically, Charles was still Northeast Region VP and was therefore still Michael's supervisor, and therefore cannot be summarily dismissed by Michael.. Am I missing something?
@@stevenginsberg8471 in this episode it’s framed like Charles has been fired as part of Michael’s demands, but he’s essentially retconned into still being employed at the company via Company Picnic
@@stevenginsberg8471to imply Michael had regained control over the Scranton branch after previously losing that power/control to Charles. Yes he is still his boss but the show needed to represent Michael regaining the Scranton office as his own
Well DM gradual decline and later buyout by Sabre eventually led Wallace to his crazy invention that made him super rich. So I guess he will be kinda ok with Jim not telling him about MSPC situation at the time...
I never really thought of this as one of my favorites but after watching this video I had to go back and watch this episode- it's one of the most satisfying by far
Love it! Although, the point about how Ryan should have known better in his costing seems to be a joke that many miss (or don’t focus on). Ryan is absolutely entitled, especially because he obtained his MBA. But the point was that he has no practical experience and so while he may have good ideas, his execution always fails because of his own arrogance about his own know how. He expects someone else to do it for him and only be involved for the fun bits.
Funny thing is, I’m rewatching the Office on Peacock, watching the superfan cuts for the first time. I have watched other videos on this channel but the crazy thing is I just watched this exact episode a couple minutes ago. Then I get on RUclips on my phone and what is at the top of my recommended home page? This video! 😂 I definitely think my phone (siri, google, RUclips) we’re listening too me 😳😂
I really dont get the hate for jim. Hes the first scene, just him and steve, and ppl only hate him bcs hes a regular good (not even great) looking dude.
I do love this episode. I hate the next one, i get there are growing pains to office reunited and members of a rival company who stole clients being working with their rivals. But Phyllis really ticks me off when she uses Michael's feelings about the office being his family against him, even though she could have joined the mspc earlier
One critique. We can't assume Charles was always destined to spend a month at the Scranton Radisson. He was probably just checking in on each branch and spending the day getting familiar with them (like he initially said). He stayed simply because Michael quit, and stayed longer to try and combat the new threat of MSPC.
Aww, bye bye Charles. A few issues with the points you raised: Charles was only supposed to be in Scranton for a day but that day happened to be when Michael quit so it made sense for him to stick around while they figured something out. Also, wasn’t Charles brought in to DM to be an upper level manger, not a regional one? It would make sense then that he would have trouble with the day to day. I still think he did what a normal person would do suddenly put in charge of The Scranton branch. He sadly does become a cartoon later on this season. Goodnight, sweet regular Charles.
Dwight is the best salesman and Stanley has the best client retention; its understandable why he chose them over Jim (who was pranking Dwight the entire time and didn't complete the rundown)
Having a conflict of interest isn't illegal, it may be fraudulent to pretend as though you didn't benefit from one or took up a position that mandated you do not have a conflict of interest but everybody knew his wife was a third of the company they were in competition with Jim's inactions were at worst fireable but David probably didn't care because at the end of the day he bought the company based on Michael's argument that included the fact that his company was going to go under, like he was pretty chill with the people who started a rival company and attempted to leverage his own job to resolve some workplace grievances she's not going to fire Jim for acting as though his wife's company was doing fine without ever saying anything dishonest.
I will never, ever EVER say a negative word about Charles Miner, but I don't love this episode. I definitely don't think its a 5/5 but I understand the logic behind it. So there IS an easter egg in this video? I've watched it 4 times and don't see it but that could just be my eyes, haha. And where is the link to your video on Office Theory that you mention around 3:15? I'd love to watch it but don't see the link....Another great field guide though, Chris. Thank you so much!
I've always enjoyed episodes like "Broke" bc we get to see Michael have his brief but impressive moments of brilliance
Micheal didn't deserve it
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@@arthurillidge9829 Joker pfps tend to be annoying contrarians, pay him no attention
@@Cdr2002 true
Bro just shut up and watch the film
Honestly, if Oscar had joined the Michael Scott Paper Company, they might have had a sustainable business model and lasted. Especially if a good salesman went with them.
What are you talking about? They had Ryan. What more do you need? He's a one man avatar of skill, experience, and ethics.
*Actually* the company still would have done poorly. They might have lasted a little longer but at the end of the day the only reason they were able to acquire customers was because they charged the bare minimum on price.
@@henrypeters5291 don’t underestimate free delivery
@@cruizlee214lmao 🤣
@@cruizlee214 The fact that Ryan did not know to calculate under "the variable cost" parameter (which I learned within the subject: Basic Economy in 1st year studying law on Law University) - told me he is terribly incompetant in his profession 😂
My theory as to why Michael Scott was a successful manager while Charles is not isn’t that his incompetence inspires his workers to work harder to offset his failures - but he actually IS a good manager.
Remember on Michael’s last day when Jim tells him that he is the best boss he had ever had? I don’t think that was just blind nostalgia talking. Jim is often fairly pragmatic- he is a goof and a romantic but he is also a realist. He doesn’t wear Halloween costumes, doesn’t believe in ghosts and doesn’t try to present things he wants to be true as if they are facts.
So for Jim to say this, he would have to actually believe it.
I think what makes Michael a great boss was also what made him appear like such a bad boss - he let his staff feel like they would never get fired, he let them leave in the middle of the day, pull elaborate pranks, and always feel safe. That atmosphere means that talented people like Dwight and Jim, who might have otherwise taken their talents elsewhere (or been fired over behavior unrelated to their sales records because someone pulled a dumb prank or someone else acted like a weirdo) would stick to Dunder Mifflin because other jobs come with risks - Michael is annoying but they also know that they are safe and they won’t be stressed.
Charles meanwhile, cared about the appearance of a well run company but not about the people working there. So he made people feel unsafe, he immediately made Jim feel insecure - one of the company’s best sales person felt miserable at work and probably began thinking about other places he could be applying. He also would have likely fired Dwight the second he started paying close enough attention to recognize that Dwight is deeply weird. His pursuit of the appearance of professionalism would have lost the company its two best salesmen in a matter of months.
Michael Scott’s reputation is that of a great salesman who was promoted beyond his ability to being a bad manager - but as much as his employees rolled their eyes at him and complained, they stuck around. He was a results oriented not process oriented and that can mean retaining some excellent talent so long as you don’t worry about how the sausage is made. If an employee is selling more product than anyone else at the company, why worry about whether or not that guy is coming in late or taking long naps? The results were what mattered.
Granted - he also retained some truly crappy employees, like Ryan, Kevin and Andy. Because Michael wasn’t really results oriented so much as he was “family” oriented - but the strong sales people he retained were good enough to make up for the weak spots. So he “accidentally” did a great job managing by making his employees feel secure and not stressed about their jobs.
00:05 Idris Elba barely keeping his composure on Kevin's 'Hi' is hilarious
Omgosh, that is gold!! Thanks for pointing it out!
I never noticed that after how many times watching. Great catch!
I think Jim's dont-ask-don't-tell policy on the financial situation of the MSPC is actually the smartest move. The MSPC is a private company, no shareholders, etc., so their books are closed and their finances are private information. Him being party to that information as a member of a competing company is also a conflict of interest in the opposite direction.
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Devils advocate: Jim doesn't do anything wrong.
MSPC could still operate for another month, plenty of time to further damage DM's reputation in the region. There's never a promise that those companies would go back to them if MSPC went under, especially given how easy they left the first time.
Jim was sent down to see if they would be receptive to a buyout, which is still a very logical option for DM, and particularly David Wallace. Once they agree, it's on Wallace to handle the negotiation, not Jim. Even without Dwight's information, Wallace already deduced that they can't maintain their prices for very long, but ends up giving in to their demands to save his own ass.
Given that every other branch ends up closing anyway, there's an argument to be made that Jim saved the Scranton Branch.
Also, Jim never contradicts Dwight
He just got Dwight to further damage Charles's perception of him.
Dwight did all the work.
So after doing some research, what Jim did in this episode is *not* illegal. Legally, Jim was the one told to tell MSPC they would like to buy them out. Jim has something called plausible deniability, he “technically” doesn’t know MSPC is broke. The closest thing he can be charged with is is miss holding information, which is only a misdemeanor
I'm pretty sure he just correctly assumes that anyway, and when he correctly assumes he's going to be told information that he has to acknowledge he stops that from happening,
Before I watch the video I’m just gonna say that this episode has my favorite Michael Scott moment, that being the conference room scene.
Jim's little knowing point to Michael after he boots Charles is one of my favorite bites in the entire show. He basically says "look at what this guy can really do" without saying a word.
I absolutely love the Michael Scott Paper Company episodes. Seriously the best arc in the series.
Also, look forward to all your uploads! Love the content. Keep it up
I thought you would appreciate what Jim did, he literally saved Michael's and pam's jobs
“Ryan admits he never went to Singapore”
Ryan - “I never went to Thailand”
potato, potato
@@sleeping.helperin Singapore they speak English. In Thailand they speak Thai. One of the many huge differences between those two countries
Chris, your editing, fast paced humor, and cuts are top notch lately in these Field Guides. Love it!
Glad you like them! I appreciate that!
There's a different fish in the fish bowl every episode.
Old but the "most profitable branch" is very simple. They took in all the business from the other branch in season 3 and only Andy remained as an increase in payroll cost
Crunch em just crunch em
*starts randomly pressing keys
He's the typical "efficiency" outside hire/consultant. They come in and try to lay down the law to cover their ignorance.
That was the first time i caught the “Ryan is like a son to me, I don’t care if he murdered his family”
“Well well well how the turntables…….”
-Michael Scott
This is my favorite episode. The "nope, yur done" moment is just so damn sweet after so many episodes of the absolutely intolerable Charles, seeing him go was the high point of the season!
I never understood that moment. Technically, Charles was still Northeast Region VP and was therefore still Michael's supervisor, and therefore cannot be summarily dismissed by Michael.. Am I missing something?
@@stevenginsberg8471 in this episode it’s framed like Charles has been fired as part of Michael’s demands, but he’s essentially retconned into still being employed at the company via Company Picnic
@@stevenginsberg8471to imply Michael had regained control over the Scranton branch after previously losing that power/control to Charles. Yes he is still his boss but the show needed to represent Michael regaining the Scranton office as his own
Well DM gradual decline and later buyout by Sabre eventually led Wallace to his crazy invention that made him super rich. So I guess he will be kinda ok with Jim not telling him about MSPC situation at the time...
I never really thought of this as one of my favorites but after watching this video I had to go back and watch this episode- it's one of the most satisfying by far
This is my favorite Office episode.
"Did it help?" is certainly one of my favorite lines of the entire series.
Love it! Although, the point about how Ryan should have known better in his costing seems to be a joke that many miss (or don’t focus on). Ryan is absolutely entitled, especially because he obtained his MBA. But the point was that he has no practical experience and so while he may have good ideas, his execution always fails because of his own arrogance about his own know how. He expects someone else to do it for him and only be involved for the fun bits.
Well well well. How the turn tables.
This episode has my favorite Michael Scott line and my favorite line in the whole show
Funny thing is, I’m rewatching the Office on Peacock, watching the superfan cuts for the first time. I have watched other videos on this channel but the crazy thing is I just watched this exact episode a couple minutes ago. Then I get on RUclips on my phone and what is at the top of my recommended home page? This video! 😂 I definitely think my phone (siri, google, RUclips) we’re listening too me 😳😂
Easily Michael Scott's finest hour in his negotiations and power play.
Far and away.
I really dont get the hate for jim. Hes the first scene, just him and steve, and ppl only hate him bcs hes a regular good (not even great) looking dude.
I do love this episode. I hate the next one, i get there are growing pains to office reunited and members of a rival company who stole clients being working with their rivals. But Phyllis really ticks me off when she uses Michael's feelings about the office being his family against him, even though she could have joined the mspc earlier
joining MSPC was a ridiculously stupid decision. She made the right decision to stay.
Loved the cheese 🧀 ball reference. On point my dude 👏👏
I loved that cold opening, was surprised you only gave it a 2 out of 5. As always, great review!
One critique. We can't assume Charles was always destined to spend a month at the Scranton Radisson. He was probably just checking in on each branch and spending the day getting familiar with them (like he initially said). He stayed simply because Michael quit, and stayed longer to try and combat the new threat of MSPC.
I love these videos. I need to marathon them all!
Already on it
i plan to marathon the MSPC tonigjt
your content is getting better and better. thank you for the outstanding quality
Aww, bye bye Charles. A few issues with the points you raised: Charles was only supposed to be in Scranton for a day but that day happened to be when Michael quit so it made sense for him to stick around while they figured something out. Also, wasn’t Charles brought in to DM to be an upper level manger, not a regional one? It would make sense then that he would have trouble with the day to day. I still think he did what a normal person would do suddenly put in charge of The Scranton branch. He sadly does become a cartoon later on this season. Goodnight, sweet regular Charles.
I love seeing jim get owned by the new boss
Great episode. Might have to go back and we watch it now. I’ve got the complete DVD set.
This and date night are probably my favorite episode.
I hate that Idris Elba.
But until Clark showed up, Wallace was my favorite character
It's not illegal to maintain plausible deniability
The elevator cut was great.
I love "How the turntables..." but its overused on Insta etc, while the almost as good "Our balls are in your court" is never used. why.
Dwight is the best salesman and Stanley has the best client retention; its understandable why he chose them over Jim (who was pranking Dwight the entire time and didn't complete the rundown)
Mulverine: you should make a little golden Oscar nominee and then give that to Oscar. Just because 😉.
I hope "stinger" bell was a typo
When pam says, "not even an interview" was the gringes facial expression ive seen on her thruoight the entire show, and i dont know why.
Stringer Bell...
7:36 CLAM
Is the accountant they meet with the son from prince family paper (who would now be jobless)?
Having a conflict of interest isn't illegal, it may be fraudulent to pretend as though you didn't benefit from one or took up a position that mandated you do not have a conflict of interest but everybody knew his wife was a third of the company they were in competition with
Jim's inactions were at worst fireable but David probably didn't care because at the end of the day he bought the company based on Michael's argument that included the fact that his company was going to go under, like he was pretty chill with the people who started a rival company and attempted to leverage his own job to resolve some workplace grievances she's not going to fire Jim for acting as though his wife's company was doing fine without ever saying anything dishonest.
Michael or Ryan has the youth pastor hair?
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey, goodbye
I will never, ever EVER say a negative word about Charles Miner, but I don't love this episode. I definitely don't think its a 5/5 but I understand the logic behind it. So there IS an easter egg in this video? I've watched it 4 times and don't see it but that could just be my eyes, haha. And where is the link to your video on Office Theory that you mention around 3:15? I'd love to watch it but don't see the link....Another great field guide though, Chris. Thank you so much!
Did you buy peacock for the Office?
Michaelism
Singapore?
Just from your tone of voice something was off this week. Hope all is well.
All good. Was juggling about a thousand things when I recorded this, and I was very late.
Good luck
Tried to clam their nerves?
Stringer got out of the game for good.
Haha he said pp
4:37
Did you really say you love Alec Baldwin ? 😅🤮
Oof, didn’t age well. But love him in 30Rock. How’s that?
Haha I’m just teasing ..you can like whoever you want ..I just can’t stand the dude
I’m early for once
4th :) :) :D
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