On Crossfire, with Tom Braden, Bob Novak, and some guy named John Lofton, Frank Zappa coins a new term. Complete video here: • Frank Zappa on Crossfi...
Ah the "unhinged" rockstar as the voice of reason in a room full of idiots and followers. Frank was the man, indeed. He's a better American than any of those guys "debating" him. He understood the concepts of morals, rule of law, and fairness more than any of those clowns ever could.
Yeah, but the guy on the side of "frivolous mockery" turned out to be right, and Zappa wrong. They'd cancel him in a heartbeat today if he was still alive.
Carlin complained about environmental fanatics scared of plastic …he said the earth would accept plastic in a new paradigm …the earth plus plastic! …the audience laughed . I laugh …news flash . Scientists are baffled at a new substance where plastic has apparently combined with rocks. 😂 Carlin nailed it …again
@@danieltossounian1962More importantly than that, he railed against religious morons for decades who think they can dictate what should be done in this country 🤷🏽♂️
Unfortunately neither terms of theology and behavior cannot be summed up because a lack of moral acceptance is now the greasy pole we all slide trying to climb, And questioning the state of morals is now an offensive crime...
@@willie8976 The difference is that, in terms of behavior, you look at the consequences of behaviors and decide if, as a society, you want those consequences, and if you don't, well, there needs to be some sort of agreement around what behaviors will be accepted and what behaviors will not. In terms of theology, it's just, "God says this, and God must be obeyed, so fuck what you want."
@@willie8976 What types of behaviors are you referring to? Was someone harmed by these behaviors? In that case, the harm is a consequence, and that would be a useful function of legislation to mitigate or prevent that harm. Or are you referring to something else?
It was disturbing to watch when it originally aired. Republicans were just as disgraceful, hateful and ignorant back than as they are now. It was disgusting and repulsive to see. That's why I stopped following politics in the 1980s and virtually all of American news media by the early 90s. They made fun of climate change activists back then also and news media went along with it.
They asked him to give an example to back up his claims...and when he was calmly trying to state his case...they almost immediately tried to interrupt him. He spoke rationally and tolerated their childish jib jab...and still spoke with reason. What he said then is more true now. Look at the political and social context that (I can only speak of the US) we are in now.....Zappa was right. He thought clearly and genuinely on the matter. That's what is missing from today's leaders. "Bulls**t is the glue that holds together our society" Our "leaders" cannot level with us and talk to us like adults (let alone equals...which we are supposed to be!!!). Zappa was a true thinker and a should-have-been leader. He WAS a leader.
The political power of the Christian chirches in the US now would infuriate him. The evangelists got Trump elected, blacked climate change action, have sent women's and minority rights back decades.... There is a solution. #Tax The Churches. If they want tax exemptions let them prove that they use their massive incomes on actual chairty works instead of just recruiting and lavish lifestyles for the anointed.
Frank only had a high school education and spent most of his time working as a musician on tour and in a studio. These professional talking heads with their degrees and years of practice debating on camera were clearly unable to defeat Frank's clear headed positions on the role of government in censorship and moral codes.
Bob Marley once said if he was educated he'd be a damn fool. "Education" in the US is often a form of indoctrination to control you and make you a well behaved robot.
Oh, it's on right now, state senate passing law for old testament verses to be displayed in classes and pledge of allegiance forced on kids (among so many more examples), looks like a fascist-theocracy from my point of view
How is he right on the money? Truly. I am a Zappa fan and understand the urge to want to agree with him. In addition to being a creative legend, he is smart, calm and well spoken. However, Isn't the erosion of our culture today a product of underlying unifying values becoming obsolete in the face of total subjective individualism? It seems to me like the culture is in the toilet and it has nothing to due with some far right theological fascism. The root is far deeper and dare I say tied to our total lack of unifying values, theological or otherwise.
@@georgemichaelmyers _However, Isnt the erosion of our culture today a product of underlying unifying values becoming obsolete in the face of total subjective individualism?_ Total, subjective individualism is the ultimate expression of 'freedom'. But I understand your suggestion that it's bad, I really do. It's a position that comes from fear of 'the other'.
@@georgemichaelmyers idk, how about the SCOTUS eliminating a right for Millions of Americans on religious grounds. The first time in American history we have less rights then in the past and all because the plaintiffs wanted to enforce their religious view.
Zappa was on top of his game that day. Lofton constantly tried to trip up Frank and Frank trumped him everytime and he did it with cool , clarity , and sarcasm. The complete version is a very interesting video.
@@futuredeadguy8661 Donald Trump IS the current expression of fascism, i.e., a political ideology that advocates for a far-right, authoritarian and nationalist system of government where the State has dictatorial power and suppresses all opposition.
@@futuredeadguy8661 I'm not a leftist, at all, but the Religious Right is a dire threat to life, liberty, and overall happiness. Those of us with a brain KNOW that the Communists and Leftists have an evil ideology, but the Religious Right believes they are anointed and sanctioned by "Gawd" dictate to everyone how they should live and I speak from personal experiences time and time again where Christian zealots thought it was "morally righteous" to butt into my business. Also, the Religious Right hurts young men by encouraging marriage in a day and age when women are out of control and have weaponized the legal system against all men. To me, the fanatical zealots of America are like cockroaches, they'll figure out a way to survive and thrive while being an incorrigible and unrelenting pain in everyone's ass
@@futuredeadguy8661 who is dictating what shouldn't be because a book written about a man in the sky says they should? right wingers..HE WAS RIGHT. And Raeganomics screwed everything up
@@futuredeadguy8661 About this? Reagan ushered in the religious right into the forefront of the Republican platform and they haven't looked back, they didn't even need the popular vote all but once in the last 8 presidential cycles to completely stack the court with theocratic radicals
Lol it's amazing how 99% of people use the word Fascist wrong and just think it means authoritarianism. We live under a capitalist jewish system, as far from true Fascism as you can possibly be, and yet brainlets like you throw the F word around left and right. You're no better than a dumb conservative calling everything they don't like Communism. Neither one describes what we have today, and you would be far happier under Fascism than what we have.
Not only is Frank on target, he does an excellent job of keeping his focus & finishing each thought as these clowns try to constantly cut him off. It's exactly what the hosts do on fox news; they shout down the guests they don't agree with & try to interrupt their every response. Way to go, Frank... You make us proud, still after you're gone. Peace, man..
11 years on from your comment isnt crazy how we see this all unfolding at an rapid rate since the Orange Man Baby showed up and showed us just how right Frank was
Frank spoke so clearly and was so easy to understand. The others just got confused and stuttered like a couple of idiots because they had no way to prove his points wrong.
An intelligence so derided and scorned within his own lifetime, Frank Zappa's analysis here is not only spot-on, but it is precisely what has happened, 30 + years after this was taped. What we have is the fascism of capitalism and fundamentalist religion in this country run amok. And, I regret this works for all sorts of religions: witness the Hasidic Jewish community in Monsey, NY, and the Christian Fundamentalists wherever you look. Same disease, spread by two different hosts.
@@3dartistguy You are wrong. With the current reactionary tendency making headway by outlawing abortion, suppressing Black votes and persecuting anyone not heterosexual, the truth is the opposite.
@@3dartistguy That’s absurd. Look up “The Family.” Take the time to learn about what the DeVos/Prince/Mercer families fund politically. There are billionaires funding a Christofascist takeover of America as we speak. “Political correctness” is just the marginalized people speaking up and demanding their rights; like the right to not be murdered by cops at the drop of a hat.
Zappa was right !!!! BUT he thought it was the Republicans who were going to be fascist - well he was one for two- It is the crazy Democrats that are trying to fuck up America
Can you list some modern examples supporting this idea? To be honest, I think we've secularised ourselves a LOT, consider abortion, gay marriage, reduced censorship of traditionally taboo media?
@@Alex-ck4in You're either purposely being obtuse, or you're too unintelligent to understand how ludicrous you sound. Either way, nobody owes you anything.
@Johnny Thunders In December 2022 I just saw in Arizona the defeated Kari Lake posing with the necklace cross around her neck and being allowed to go further with her lawsuit about the election . Cross around her neck although she called some opponents at her rallies bastards . Anyway it wasn’t that Frank Zappa was ahead of his time with foreseeing America headed towards a fascist theocracy , he fit into that special class . Frank Zappa was “way “ ahead of his time.
Apparently, Matt Walsh refers to himself as a theocratic fascist. I don't know if that is true, or if he is being controversial for the sake of controversy. There is much talk of various pundits and others on both sides of the culture wars being grifters, but it is hard for me to tell who is and who isn't.
@@wet-read And various rightwing figures like Nick Fuentes have expressed sympathy for the Taliban. The Religious Right are the Taliban with a different holy book.
He was positively prophetic. It's Problem (immorality) - Reaction (slow move toward legislating morality). We are almost at the door of a fascist theocracy. But it has been like the frog in the kettle. The heat is being turned up so slowly that the frog (the country) doesn't know it's being cooked to death.
@@georgemichaelmyers Oh, you know, banning abortion, banning books, etc, etc, because of religious “morals”. In other words, fascist theocracy by the right wing GOP.
@@timz9862 What books are being banned? The ones that teach kids how to give blowjobs and indoctrinate kids how to be part of the lgbt hivemind, you got any problems with that or are you just another groomer?
You don’t need a weatherman to tell you which way the wind is gonna blow, BUT Zappa could see what all these long forgotten pundits failed to with utter clarity.
If there's one thing the world needs right now, it is someone like Frank Zappa. Just to say the things in a clear and mindsticking manner unregarding the persons he or she is saying it to.
if ya think about it....the only problem on this planet... is money-addicted apes. all the critters are cool....but the money-addicted apes are literally destroying everything.
He came to my college (NIU) around spring of 84. And at each of his concerts that weekend, he had representatives of the Daughters of the American Revolution there to register students to vote!! He was so cool.
No 'maybe' about it. With Republicans pushing child labour, banning abortions and legislating against LGBT+ people, the U.S. would be on-course to become the next Iran if there wasn't opposition.
He was so fucking right. I barely know anything about Zappa, but he was a great musician in his own unique way, and he was very right in this discussion. Sickens me how much they were interrupting him, you can see how scared they are of the truth.
I think Iheard it best on Game of Thrones, "when you cut off a man's tongue you don't prove them wrong, you only prove that you fear what they have to say"
"He showed calm, poise, and rationality amidst frivolous mockery." and still called them out! He stated the obvious and now that's what we're dealing with!
Christians, Catholics, Muslims, Jews, Satanist’s and every other religion are free to believe whatever religion they want. Religion is not free to be forced on me.
Zappa's collected response is in stark contrast to the squeaky wheels around him. He actually argues his point of view rather than relying on noise and rhetoric to subdue his opponents.
Yes and it’s the woke PC ideology - it’s just as bad as the far right. At least with religion though - they liked to debate and forgiveness was a part . With the far left - they don’t debate and there is no forgiveness
Communist riots, technocratic medical tyranny, NYC lighting up it's buildings to celebrate abortion, trans kids, mass immigration, & a deluge of free pornography in everyone's pocket and you think this is fascist theocracy?!
Frank correctly saw what the interjection of religion into government would lead to and, more importantly, had the guts to speak about it. The message is still relevant today; keep your religion OUT of government.
“When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and waving a cross” Whether you attribute the quote to Sinclair Lewis or not, it still rings true. Both Zappa and Carlin were the true prophets of the age, may youtube et al. keep the message alive.
The actual quote: _"If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism." - Ronald Reagan_ This entire comment section is the most delusional & dishonest lot I've seen since I was a cringey 19yo RUclips atheist.
@@SeraphimGoose The closest thing to it that Lewis actually wrote, in his book It Can’t Happen Here, was “But he saw too that in America the struggle was befogged by the fact that the worst Fascists were they who disowned the word ‘Fascism’ and preached enslavement to Capitalism under the style of Constitutional and Traditional Native American Liberty.”
@@SeraphimGoosethank you. I’m not religious but this entire comment section scares me with their views of the world . They don’t live in the same reality as I do
@@brianmeen2158 Reagan was by far and away the worst president America has ever had. Trickle down economics...how laughable. Thx Reagan for ruining America
While Zappa may not have been Nostradamus, he was right on the mark on a Facist Therocracy. It gives an eeririe feeling on how far to the political right the country as a whole has shifted.
Frank knew this was going to happen. If he were still alive today I couldn't even imagine the kinds of words he'd use to rip apart the majority of American politicians currently in power. He'd have a field day with the Trump/Pence administration.
GraditudevsRevenge Good god I can’t even imagine. Look at how they’re trying to bring back churches officially endorsing candidates. Tax-exempt churches buying politicians to promote their bullshit. Good old America.
He'd also have a field day with leftist censorship, Antifa, SJW snowflakes and the coddling of Islamic terrorists. Never forget, Frank called himself a *conservative* and his main beef with the GOP was over the _EXACT_ same type of censorship the Marxist left is pushing today.
That wasn't media drowning him out. That was Republicans asking him a question then sticking their fingers in their ears, then talking over him telling him they don't want to hear his opinion. Typical Republican response to anything even decades later.
''I watched the show with Frank Zappa and John Lofton live on TV, I have to be honest I was thoroughly discombobulated by the tomfoolery and shenanigans coming from Lofton. Sure people are entitled to their views but the sheer floccinaucinihilipilification of what he was saying was staggering, you don't need to chew on fungus meatballs to dingle with the dangles and Lofton clearly had an agenda - rather than focus on affluence concentrate on talking pure flatulence. Lofton would probably have been no different had that been Don Rickles, in fact he'd probably have brought out a jar of pickles. Was Zappa doing promo videos showing buttocks quivering like jelly or jutting large bosoms pointing at you? I think not!'' - Emmanuel Talmage
He showed calm, poise, and rationality amidst frivolous mockery.
His opponents look like chattering MONKEYS compared to Frank! If they had any dignity, they would have been ashamed of themselves.
Ah the "unhinged" rockstar as the voice of reason in a room full of idiots and followers. Frank was the man, indeed. He's a better American than any of those guys "debating" him. He understood the concepts of morals, rule of law, and fairness more than any of those clowns ever could.
And was sooooo right.
Yeah, but the guy on the side of "frivolous mockery" turned out to be right, and Zappa wrong. They'd cancel him in a heartbeat today if he was still alive.
@@fastinbulvis2223 Really? Prove God then.
Frank Zappa and George Carlin both predicted exactly where this country was headed. Wish more people would have listened.
Carlin complained about environmental fanatics scared of plastic …he said the earth would accept plastic in a new paradigm …the earth plus plastic! …the audience laughed . I laugh …news flash . Scientists are baffled at a new substance where plastic has apparently combined with rocks. 😂 Carlin nailed it …again
@@danieltossounian1962More importantly than that, he railed against religious morons for decades who think they can dictate what should be done in this country 🤷🏽♂️
They are the true prophets.
People will still deny it.
plenty of people complained. Punk rock saw it. Zappa saw it. And today, here we are, knocking on the gates of a fascist GOP.
" Morality in terms of behavior, not in terms of theology". That quote sums it all up. RIP Mr. Zappa
What's the difference
Unfortunately neither terms of theology and behavior cannot be summed up because a lack of moral acceptance is now the greasy pole we all slide trying to climb, And questioning the state of morals is now an offensive crime...
@@willie8976 The difference is that, in terms of behavior, you look at the consequences of behaviors and decide if, as a society, you want those consequences, and if you don't, well, there needs to be some sort of agreement around what behaviors will be accepted and what behaviors will not.
In terms of theology, it's just, "God says this, and God must be obeyed, so fuck what you want."
@hypnometal what about when you do something you know u shouldn't of but there was nobody there to see it ,,, What are the consequences then ,,,????
@@willie8976 What types of behaviors are you referring to? Was someone harmed by these behaviors? In that case, the harm is a consequence, and that would be a useful function of legislation to mitigate or prevent that harm. Or are you referring to something else?
Viewing this in 2023, Frank was disturbingly accurate. RIP, brother ✌️🌏☮️🕊
same here. 5/22/23.... wow !
I mean, Biden is Catholic after all.
It was disturbing to watch when it originally aired. Republicans were just as disgraceful, hateful and ignorant back than as they are now. It was disgusting and repulsive to see. That's why I stopped following politics in the 1980s and virtually all of American news media by the early 90s.
They made fun of climate change activists back then also and news media went along with it.
viewing this after watching shiny happy people. super disturbing.
We live in a Woke World that would cancel him in a heartbeat. How was he "disturbingly accurate"?
Frank Zappa. More integrity than any politician, ever.
Except Bernie Sanders. Frank would like Bernie.
This interview is probably what convinced Frank to avoid politics like the plague it is?
That’s not hard actually. Lol.
They asked him to give an example to back up his claims...and when he was calmly trying to state his case...they almost immediately tried to interrupt him. He spoke rationally and tolerated their childish jib jab...and still spoke with reason. What he said then is more true now. Look at the political and social context that (I can only speak of the US) we are in now.....Zappa was right. He thought clearly and genuinely on the matter. That's what is missing from today's leaders. "Bulls**t is the glue that holds together our society" Our "leaders" cannot level with us and talk to us like adults (let alone equals...which we are supposed to be!!!). Zappa was a true thinker and a should-have-been leader. He WAS a leader.
Yup. And now we have Trump and his sniveling minions.
The political power of the Christian chirches in the US now would infuriate him. The evangelists got Trump elected, blacked climate change action, have sent women's and minority rights back decades....
There is a solution.
#Tax The Churches.
If they want tax exemptions let them prove that they use their massive incomes on actual chairty works instead of just recruiting and lavish lifestyles for the anointed.
Even more relevant and true in 2022
*From Newt G. Reverting the party in the 1990s to the Supreme Court cases this year 2022, it has only proven more true*
The ever present unsolicited recap of a RUclips video.
This is the first time I've felt sorry that Robert Novak is dead - I wish he could have seen that Zappa was (tragically) correct.
Sad and sick in the same thread.
Boys get bored.
Frank was right.
Zappa too?
@@nobrainsnoheadache2434 If you mean, am I sorry that FZ is gone? Hell yes - but I've felt that way for over 30 years.
Frank Zappa, almost always the calmest rational adult in the room. Regardless of the room.
Lmao two clowns. Yea thats whats wrong with this country!
He was the only adult in the room
@@bobmanders8635 the least childish*
Frank only had a high school education and spent most of his time working as a musician on tour and in a studio. These professional talking heads with their degrees and years of practice debating on camera were clearly unable to defeat Frank's clear headed positions on the role of government in censorship and moral codes.
The dude was a genius. He had an Iq of 172.
“If you want to get laid, go to college. If you want an education, go to the library.” - Frank Zappa
Educated fools Vs Uneducated Genius
Bob Marley once said if he was educated he'd be a damn fool.
"Education" in the US is often a form of indoctrination to control you and make you a well behaved robot.
Frank was well read, open minded, and contemplative.
I love Frank’s attitude to these guys, he has a face in this interview that says “All of you are crazy.”
... and he was oh so right, most notably the condescending religious Taliban-gelical with the really bad combover Lofton.
Frank had more tact and class in his little pinky than the rest of those nuts combined.
The host was tolerable though
Not only was Frank right on the money then, fast forward to today, we are on the precipice of Frank's prediction being correct, if not already.
Oh, it's on right now, state senate passing law for old testament verses to be displayed in classes and pledge of allegiance forced on kids (among so many more examples), looks like a fascist-theocracy from my point of view
Accurate.
How is he right on the money? Truly. I am a Zappa fan and understand the urge to want to agree with him. In addition to being a creative legend, he is smart, calm and well spoken. However, Isn't the erosion of our culture today a product of underlying unifying values becoming obsolete in the face of total subjective individualism? It seems to me like the culture is in the toilet and it has nothing to due with some far right theological fascism. The root is far deeper and dare I say tied to our total lack of unifying values, theological or otherwise.
@@georgemichaelmyers _However, Isnt the erosion of our culture today a product of underlying unifying values becoming obsolete in the face of total subjective individualism?_
Total, subjective individualism is the ultimate expression of 'freedom'. But I understand your suggestion that it's bad, I really do. It's a position that comes from fear of 'the other'.
@@georgemichaelmyers idk, how about the SCOTUS eliminating a right for Millions of Americans on religious grounds. The first time in American history we have less rights then in the past and all because the plaintiffs wanted to enforce their religious view.
Zappa was on top of his game that day. Lofton constantly tried to trip up Frank and Frank trumped him everytime and he did it with cool , clarity , and sarcasm. The complete version is a very interesting video.
Looking back from 2023, Zappa was SO right!
He was wrong and short sighted. As most 1960s people were
@@futuredeadguy8661 Donald Trump IS the current expression of fascism, i.e., a political ideology that advocates for a far-right, authoritarian and nationalist system of government where the State has dictatorial power and suppresses all opposition.
@@futuredeadguy8661 I'm not a leftist, at all, but the Religious Right is a dire threat to life, liberty, and overall happiness.
Those of us with a brain KNOW that the Communists and Leftists have an evil ideology, but the Religious Right believes they are anointed and sanctioned by "Gawd" dictate to everyone how they should live and I speak from personal experiences time and time again where Christian zealots thought it was "morally righteous" to butt into my business.
Also, the Religious Right hurts young men by encouraging marriage in a day and age when women are out of control and have weaponized the legal system against all men.
To me, the fanatical zealots of America are like cockroaches, they'll figure out a way to survive and thrive while being an incorrigible and unrelenting pain in everyone's ass
@@futuredeadguy8661 who is dictating what shouldn't be because a book written about a man in the sky says they should?
right wingers..HE WAS RIGHT. And Raeganomics screwed everything up
@@futuredeadguy8661
About this? Reagan ushered in the religious right into the forefront of the Republican platform and they haven't looked back, they didn't even need the popular vote all but once in the last 8 presidential cycles to completely stack the court with theocratic radicals
I'm not going to give you a civics lesson. lol.
Frank was absolutely right and we are on the brink of a fascist theocracy right now!
Yessirrrrr
Lol it's amazing how 99% of people use the word Fascist wrong and just think it means authoritarianism. We live under a capitalist jewish system, as far from true Fascism as you can possibly be, and yet brainlets like you throw the F word around left and right. You're no better than a dumb conservative calling everything they don't like Communism. Neither one describes what we have today, and you would be far happier under Fascism than what we have.
No we're not, just watch
he was right in one sense,, but its a leftist fascism that has come upon us.. anti religion anti family anti GOD
Florida under DeSantis is a perfect example.
Not only is Frank on target, he does an excellent job of keeping his focus & finishing each thought as these clowns try to constantly cut him off. It's exactly what the hosts do on fox news; they shout down the guests they don't agree with & try to interrupt their every response. Way to go, Frank... You make us proud, still after you're gone. Peace, man..
Sounds like you're against Democracy.
11 years on from your comment isnt crazy how we see this all unfolding at an rapid rate since the Orange Man Baby showed up and showed us just how right Frank was
@@murthunt1047 Not at all. He was wrong... it all came from the Left, just like all tyranny.
@@murthunt1047 Frank had blind spots about Communism. The theocracy is Scientism. Stay Boosted so we'll be done with you quicker.
@@TheKitchenerLeslieoh great. The RUclips University certified infectious disease expert is talking again.
And here we are in 2020. Frank was correct.
Correct still on 2022
@@TheShapingSickness Not still correct. MORE correct.
@@admiralfrancis8424 Yeah. Much more correct than I'm comfortable with. Check out the garbage Jenna Ellis was spewing yesterday.
You might be a threat to our Democracy.
@@TheRudySchwartzProject What makes you say that, Schwartz?
Never argue with the mother of invention
Cosmic debris 🥳
Permission to use this, with acknowledgement of course?
This world needs more Frank Zappa. RIP, legend 💐
Frank spoke so clearly and was so easy to understand. The others just got confused and stuttered like a couple of idiots because they had no way to prove his points wrong.
Every time I watch and listen to Frank Zappa my respect for the man grows.
An intelligence so derided and scorned within his own lifetime, Frank Zappa's analysis here is not only spot-on, but it is precisely what has happened, 30 + years after this was taped. What we have is the fascism of capitalism and fundamentalist religion in this country run amok. And, I regret this works for all sorts of religions: witness the Hasidic Jewish community in Monsey, NY, and the Christian Fundamentalists wherever you look. Same disease, spread by two different hosts.
christian fundementalism has mostly gone away, now we have political correctness run amok.
@@3dartistguy You are wrong. With the current reactionary tendency making headway by outlawing abortion, suppressing Black votes and persecuting anyone not heterosexual, the truth is the opposite.
@@3dartistguy
That’s absurd. Look up “The Family.” Take the time to learn about what the DeVos/Prince/Mercer families fund politically. There are billionaires funding a Christofascist takeover of America as we speak. “Political correctness” is just the marginalized people speaking up and demanding their rights; like the right to not be murdered by cops at the drop of a hat.
@facepalm486 Zappa did way too many drugs
BigPharma fundamentalists too...
Hahahahahaha! Zappa just crushed these guys and he's been right all the way. What a genius!
I wish these guys are still alive today so we can show them this video how right Zappa was!
They'd deny it exists.
1Life Resist but he was wrong
Braden & Novak died in 2009. Lofton in 2014. So that is that. Frank was on the money here.
Zappa was right !!!! BUT he thought it was the Republicans who were going to be fascist - well he was one for two- It is the crazy Democrats that are trying to fuck up America
@@meyou-dv8ns
And he was right, it is the Republicans.
His words seem very prescient today given our current state.
and you said this before Trumpism even.
He owns these people and they don’t even know it. I miss franks even tone and ability not to be flustered. He was a poet prophet!
And 30 years later Frank was indeed correct.
Horrifying to think what the next 30 years will bring if we don't stop the evangelical right from continuing this regressive process.
Nobody had to wait for 30yrs for him to "be correct", he was back THEN, and he STILL is NOW!!
Can you list some modern examples supporting this idea? To be honest, I think we've secularised ourselves a LOT, consider abortion, gay marriage, reduced censorship of traditionally taboo media?
@@Alex-ck4in The over 35yr War effort that finally bought about the Supreme Court's overturning of Roe -v-Wade might be a good place to start.
@@Alex-ck4in You're either purposely being obtuse, or you're too unintelligent to understand how ludicrous you sound. Either way, nobody owes you anything.
I love watching Frank Zappa win every single argument
@Johnny Thunders In December 2022 I just saw in Arizona the defeated Kari Lake posing with the necklace cross around her neck and being allowed to go further with her lawsuit about the election . Cross around her neck although she called some opponents at her rallies bastards . Anyway it wasn’t that Frank Zappa was ahead of his time with foreseeing America headed towards a fascist theocracy , he fit into that special class . Frank Zappa was “way “ ahead of his time.
as much fun as watching and listening to Christopher Hitchens
He unglues them 😅😊
@@randyelliott9152 Did he ever find those WMDs in Iraq?
He may have won the argument but have we lost the war.
why did you leave us Frank? damn you were/are a genius
The 'barbarism of a theocracy' is what Frank was getting at. 2022 And he was right on, these things take time to develop.
Do you mean a liberal theocracy? The new posmodernist religion. You are not allowed to question their beliefs or you will be burned like a witch.
Apparently, Matt Walsh refers to himself as a theocratic fascist. I don't know if that is true, or if he is being controversial for the sake of controversy. There is much talk of various pundits and others on both sides of the culture wars being grifters, but it is hard for me to tell who is and who isn't.
he was right in one sense,, but its a leftist fascism that has come upon us.. anti religion anti family anti GOD
@@wet-readif they're allowed to speak and hold public opinions, they're a grifter. Serious commentators have disappeared over the years.
@@wet-read And various rightwing figures like Nick Fuentes have expressed sympathy for the Taliban. The Religious Right are the Taliban with a different holy book.
He was positively prophetic. It's Problem (immorality) - Reaction (slow move toward legislating morality). We are almost at the door of a fascist theocracy. But it has been like the frog in the kettle. The heat is being turned up so slowly that the frog (the country) doesn't know it's being cooked to death.
Zappa may not be the smartest man here but he is certainly the most honest and caring. Wait, I take that back he's probably the smartest too.
Zappa was always the smartest person in the room
No, he IS the smartest man there. The guy to his right is an F'ing idiot.
@@HakanTunaMuzik Didn't Zappa have an IQ in the high 100s, possibly 172?
@@markellsworth2814 yep.
Mr. Zappa should only be alive in 2023 to see just how right he was.
This aged well, today Roe Vs Wade overturned by a minority over religious morals.
Nothing to do with religion
Nuffies try to rationalise their lack of morality
@@kaykay865 100% religion and you know it
@@HakanTunaMuzik so religion is morality and religion is immorality….covered up by fake social justices..ok
@@kaykay865 Religion is fake
@@HakanTunaMuzik so morality is fake?
Morality in the form of behavior, not of theocracy. Thank you Frank for the words that I will be saying all the time thank you.
The America Frank warned us about is America today.
How?
@@georgemichaelmyers
There are millions of conservatives who call themselves Christian Nationalists.
@@georgemichaelmyers Oh, you know, banning abortion, banning books, etc, etc, because of religious “morals”. In other words, fascist theocracy by the right wing GOP.
@@timz9862 What books are being banned? The ones that teach kids how to give blowjobs and indoctrinate kids how to be part of the lgbt hivemind, you got any problems with that or are you just another groomer?
@timz9862 the book banning happened in ine other country besides this one. Germany in the 30s and 40s.
“You bet we are buddy.” And we are now there!
Such a brilliant man. This was almost 40 years ago. He knew and saw what was coming.
Zappa is a legend!!!
its NOW 2024 and Frank was 100% right ON
Zappa was the smartest guy in the room.
That's why they were loud and talking over him. They knew.
This aged rather well
How
I was like “nah things aren’t that bad Frank” and then I realized it was 2018.
We did it, everyone. Great job!
Zappa had the patience of a God with these drones
A true genius of a man. Hail Zappa!
You don’t need a weatherman to tell you which way the wind is gonna blow, BUT Zappa could see what all these long forgotten pundits failed to with utter clarity.
I am so glad to see so many videos on RUclips giving us the words and clear thinking of Frank Zappa now when we need them. What a guy!
If there's one thing the world needs right now, it is someone like Frank Zappa. Just to say the things in a clear and mindsticking manner unregarding the persons he or she is saying it to.
if ya think about it....the only problem on this planet...
is money-addicted apes.
all the critters are cool....but the money-addicted apes are literally destroying everything.
Arguing with zappa is like arguing with spock
Robert Novak laughing at fascism. I hope they’re both up there and Frank is telling him, “told ya so!”
He came to my college (NIU) around spring of 84. And at each of his concerts that weekend, he had representatives of the Daughters of the American Revolution there to register students to vote!!
He was so cool.
Boy did Zappa get it right
Zappa had more brains than the other three put together.
Wow, Zappa’s children should be proud as fuck!
The man was right. I really wish he wasn’t.
Still relevant, maybe even more so, nearly 40 years later.
No 'maybe' about it. With Republicans pushing child labour, banning abortions and legislating against LGBT+ people, the U.S. would be on-course to become the next Iran if there wasn't opposition.
Zappa was ahead of his time.
I don't think I've ever heard Robert Novak say a smart thing in his entire career. Good lord, that man is inept!
100% correct Mr. Zappa
Zappa Was on it -he knew exactly where we were headed!
This clip is like watching an art major and a geography major argue whether or not to use liquid oxygen as rocket fuel.
1:21 Frank warned us.
I love this man. Way ahead of the curve.
He was so fucking right. I barely know anything about Zappa, but he was a great musician in his own unique way, and he was very right in this discussion. Sickens me how much they were interrupting him, you can see how scared they are of the truth.
Show me a man who is afraid of words and I'll show you a man who is afraid of truth.
I think Iheard it best on Game of Thrones, "when you cut off a man's tongue you don't prove them wrong, you only prove that you fear what they have to say"
Frank wasn't kidding and he wasn't wrong.
Frank Zappa was ahead of his time.
ZAPPA was a genius!!! So morally and politically correct!!
He would have banned all hate speech and criticism of Pfizer.
Zappa is right, we are moving toward a fascist theocracy, in fact, we are nearly there.
"At Saint Alphonso's pancake breakfast, where I stole the margarine."
And here we are. June 24, 2022.
big respect for him for not knocking all those men out
So appreciate the fact his words are still here to remind us. Can't imagine what he'd be staying today other than "I told you so".... 🖤❣️💯 Frank
He predicted Ron DeSantis.
"He showed calm, poise, and rationality amidst frivolous mockery." and still called them out! He stated the obvious and now that's what we're dealing with!
Christians, Catholics, Muslims, Jews, Satanist’s and every other religion are free to believe whatever religion they want. Religion is not free to be forced on me.
Zappa's collected response is in stark contrast to the squeaky wheels around him. He actually argues his point of view rather than relying on noise and rhetoric to subdue his opponents.
Project 2025...
Correct.
And lo and behold, he was right
We need Zappa and Bill Hicks walking among us again, true oracles.
"Looks like we got ourselves a reader" :)
And here we are so many years later, hurtling towards a fascist theocracy.
hilarious that Zappa warned us about a "certain" religious theocracy and here we are 40 years later living under a "different" religious theocracy
Yes and it’s the woke PC ideology - it’s just as bad as the far right. At least with religion though - they liked to debate and forgiveness was a part . With the far left - they don’t debate and there is no forgiveness
Frank's head would be spinning if he was witnessing the current ramp up of fascist theology courtesy of the Republican party.
And here we are today.... Theocracy in FULL view AND action with the Supreme Ct!
An example of a fascist theocracy would be a religious official proposing a law that would allow government agents to censor song lyrics.
Zappa NAILS it again. Look at America 2020.
Communist riots, technocratic medical tyranny, NYC lighting up it's buildings to celebrate abortion, trans kids, mass immigration, & a deluge of free pornography in everyone's pocket and you think this is fascist theocracy?!
@@SeraphimGoose adjust that tinfoil hat of yours and stop watching Fox. Good Lord.
@@SeraphimGoose Thanks for the input, Ann Widdecombe.
The three around him are so ridiculous as to be caricatures, and yet they are totally serious. How cool is Zappa.
Zappa absolutely nailed it.
Frank correctly saw what the interjection of religion into government would lead to and, more importantly, had the guts to speak about it. The message is still relevant today; keep your religion OUT of government.
Lol no.
Wow. You could tell Frank was about to lose his lunch just from being around those braiwashed theopocrits.
“When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and waving a cross”
Whether you attribute the quote to Sinclair Lewis or not, it still rings true. Both Zappa and Carlin were the true prophets of the age, may youtube et al. keep the message alive.
The actual quote:
_"If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism." - Ronald Reagan_
This entire comment section is the most delusional & dishonest lot I've seen since I was a cringey 19yo RUclips atheist.
@@SeraphimGoose The closest thing to it that Lewis actually wrote, in his book It Can’t Happen Here, was “But he saw too that in America the struggle was befogged by the fact that the worst Fascists were they who disowned the word ‘Fascism’ and preached enslavement to Capitalism under the style of Constitutional and Traditional Native American Liberty.”
@@SeraphimGoosethank you. I’m not religious but this entire comment section scares me with their views of the world . They don’t live in the same reality as I do
@@brianmeen2158 Reagan was by far and away the worst president America has ever had. Trickle down economics...how laughable. Thx Reagan for ruining America
While Zappa may not have been Nostradamus, he was right on the mark on a Facist Therocracy. It gives an eeririe feeling on how far to the political right the country as a whole has shifted.
Frank knew this was going to happen. If he were still alive today I couldn't even imagine the kinds of words he'd use to rip apart the majority of American politicians currently in power. He'd have a field day with the Trump/Pence administration.
GraditudevsRevenge Good god I can’t even imagine. Look at how they’re trying to bring back churches officially endorsing candidates. Tax-exempt churches buying politicians to promote their bullshit. Good old America.
He'd also have a field day with leftist censorship, Antifa, SJW snowflakes and the coddling of Islamic terrorists. Never forget, Frank called himself a *conservative* and his main beef with the GOP was over the _EXACT_ same type of censorship the Marxist left is pushing today.
@@Payin_Attention what marxist censorship are you talking about dude nearly every government is right wing
@@chkensammich - Keep telling yourself that.
@@chkensammich You've got to be insane.
Man, was he right! Fascist theocracy and not communism is what’s hurting the US right now. RIP Mr. Zappa.
What the hell are talking about
@@donkeyparadise9276 talking about are is the thing where about talking
Great example of how media drowns out the voice of reason.
That wasn't media drowning him out. That was Republicans asking him a question then sticking their fingers in their ears, then talking over him telling him they don't want to hear his opinion. Typical Republican response to anything even decades later.
And here we are.
It's pretty clear which way things are headed. Choose wisely.
''I watched the show with Frank Zappa and John Lofton live on TV, I have to be honest I was thoroughly discombobulated by the tomfoolery and shenanigans coming from Lofton. Sure people are entitled to their views but the sheer floccinaucinihilipilification of what he was saying was staggering, you don't need to chew on fungus meatballs to dingle with the dangles and Lofton clearly had an agenda - rather than focus on affluence concentrate on talking pure flatulence. Lofton would probably have been no different had that been Don Rickles, in fact he'd probably have brought out a jar of pickles. Was Zappa doing promo videos showing buttocks quivering like jelly or jutting large bosoms pointing at you? I think not!''
- Emmanuel Talmage
That's the first time I've ever seen anyone actually use "floccinaucinihilipilification". Fair play.
So crazy how Zappa was literally 40 years ahead of everyone else.
Dude was genius.