* Those words ring in your head like wildfire * "There's never been any escaping it. That Castle may as well be a coffin because you're already dead" * "Ha ha! You hear that??? YOU'RE DEAD! HA HA HA!!!" * ... * Wasn't that enough reason to justify all? |------------------------------------------| | Clover LV 20 9999:99 | | The Surface | | * Continue * Reset | |------------------------------------------|
Regret hits after the realisation of his sins... will he be able to come back to the humans after what he has caused? He's lost between guilt and pride...
*X years ago, a human with a yellow SOUL fell to the underground.* *Unlike those who came before them, this human went there intentionally, seeking vengeance for their predecessors.* *Overnight, dozens of monsters perished, including the beloved King ASGORE, and the five souls he collected were stolen.* *Hearing of her husband's death, the Queen returned from exile and instated a new policy: All humans who arrive from now on will be treated not as enemies, but as friends.* *Not a day later, she was killed by her own furious subjects, and the former Captain of the Royal Guard became the new Queen.* *She, too, had a new policy: Once the next human arrives, she will take their SOUL without delay and go to the SURFACE herself to collect the rest.* *And now, finally, that last human has arrived, and the hope of monsterkind was rekindled.* *But they are soon to find out that not only is this human far stronger than even its predecessor, they have a guardian angel...* *Or perhaps more accurately, a guardian demon.*
* I did it. * I accomplished my goal. * I saved the humans... * I eradicated the enemy... * ...so why do I feel... * ... * I should be proud of myself. * I am a hero. * They... they _killed_ those humans. * They _deserved_ it. * ...why can't I accept it? * I thought I did. * The moment I entered this hellish place... * I knew my goal. * ... I didn't think it'd go this far. * But now we're here. * I'm stronger than ever. * Yet this strength... it feels weird. * I don't think I can ever be myself again. * Not after all the things I did... * I had to betray my morals to achive my goal. * To get strong enough so I could... * ...is this really justice...? * It's too late to think about this. * They're gone. * _I'm_ gone. * The only thing that remains is... * *A world devoid of justice.*
You won, but, you can feel it. You’re no longer filled with a sense of Justice. You felt it as you went, subtly, but you figured it was just fatigue. Now, however, resting upon this mountain top, you reflect on _all_ your actions. On Dalv, on Martlet, on Starlo. Did they really deserve this? Was that Justice? You realize, that, in your anger, your righteous fury became a dark rage, destroying without heed or mercy. You feel your sins upon your back, they remind you that you can never truly take back your actions, truly undo what you’ve done. Weighing heavy, your sins fill you with a sense of despair and remorse. You sacrificed JUSTICE… for VENGEANCE. And now, all that is left is dust and regret. Was it worth it?
The kindness soul is in misery it has a strong sense of justice and the patients and what you did has none of those. You never thought patiently to do what’s right But they still forgive you
i like to think post-genocide route the souls and clover just go get therapy for what they had to go through and what they did to those monsters like imagine the trauma of dying in a foreign place, being rescued against all odds, and then being traumatized even more when you peek into your savior's mind and see all the horrible stuff they did to save you
I think the SOULs would just eventually dissipate after leaving the barrier. Geno Clover doesn't strike me as the kind of person who'd get therapy, if they could even get it (they're a child vaguely alluded to have an abusive home life). I think they'd either keep seeking "justice" on the surface until it got them killed, or decide what they did in the Underground didn't solve anything, and that the only just thing to do was to RESET.
I can imagine that if they’re able to get the Souls bodies before they disappear. Maybe it leads Clover to regret their actions more when they can’t find vessels, when their motive for all that death still fades into the ether…
@@Azwow If he didn't, they would have. If it took such sacrifices to keep Clover alive, then the world was never a justice place. After all, no one had to die....
I doubt Clover would go to the surface and just be happy. When you seek the skewed justice that they did, it doesn't stop. If what the monsters did was unjust, imagine how Clover would view human society.
@@fernoagent8581 I think their SOUL attack wouldn't be nearly as effective against humans, because they're not made of magic and they're not as affected by the murderous intent of others.
* The edge of the Mountain looms over you. * You won... and yet... Why am I still here? * I should be giving them to. . . Who are their families? * . . . Why won't they talk to me? . . . I did the Right thing... Right? This is. . . Justice. * . . . . . . . But nothing came of it.
I believe that clover would just return to the other humans with the 5 souls Since Clover killed everyone in the underground he won’t be messed around anymore in his home town anymore He done his job very well The other humans might agree and some won’t But at the end he’s still alive and healthy Vengeance has been done and there’s no returning back Now i can rest easy knowing the human souls are back -Clover
@@AzwowClover did not care about them having family. And remember that some of the monsters are hiding from clover during the genocide route, After Clover left the underground with the 5 souls The remaining of the monster have to pick a new King or queen to rule the underground or just give up hope
Терпение принимает то как он был терпелив и не спешил во время своего пути Храбрость хвалит его за его храбрость , за то что он не побоялся спускаться и спасать их Порядочность гордится им за то что он навёл порядок в подземелье и закончил её дело Настойчивость одобряет то что он весь свой путь стоял на своём Доброта не понимает его жестокость и суждения
Fun fact, the genocide route is probably canon, following by Clover doing a true reset out of guilt. Because in the Omega Flowey fight, Flowey has access to all of the save files of the fallen humans.... Implying that Clover had control over the timeline at one point. And the only moment they had control over it.. is during a genocide run
i think clover not having control over their own save file is just a plot hole of undertale yellow, because its implied by the omega flowey fight that each soul has its own save file, and i dont think that every single fallen human did a genocide run just to get the ability to save, i think thats just something a human soul can do.
Every ending is simultaneously canon, as the player inevitably completes each of them before resetting. The only question is the order and the end, which ending cannot be taken back is the canon one.
@@TheDestroyer55e Yes.... But not Look at it like that, everyone can have their own save file, that looks great with our leads and flowey The joke of because in undertale we have absolute control of our save file is that our will, our DETERMINATION is much greater than flowey Everyone is able to manage to have control of their save file if they manage to overcome user's will with greater source of determination of the place
In the aftermath of the vengeance ending Toriel would try to take over and be overthrown by Undyne, establishing a totalitarian regime. She’d likely promote one of the dogs to head of the Royal Guard and Martlet would likely be revered as a hero and used for a lot of propaganda. With a sizable chunk of the Underground dead, Undyne would need to figure out how to get the economy back on track and also how to be a good leader. She’d likely recruit Alphys as some sort of Royal advisor or something which… I don’t see going well. Alphys would fold like a wet noodle any time Undyne would push back on any of her suggestions. By the time Frisk falls, the Underground will likely be struggling economically but still be very vehemently anti human. It won’t be quite as bad as Horrortale since Clover never decimated areas like CORE or Hotland. Undyne might find out about the Amalgamates which would lead to a very interesting confrontation. Mettaton’s TV shows would likely be at least partially rebranded into propaganda. Papyrus might finally be allowed to join the Royal Guard since Undyne would have likely gone at least a little off the deep end (and the Royal Guard needs more power. With Martlet dead and Undyne as Queen, the strongest known members of the guard are RG01 and RG02). Undyne would need his strength. Sans likely remains apathetic But maybe joins the Royal guard or remains a Century to just to protect his brother. Frisk should still be able to Save and Load but they’ll almost certainly have to kill a lot of monsters their first go around. Toriel would be very clingy and even harder to get past than normal, and the monsters would all try very hard to kill Frisk. Hell, maybe Frisk would just stay with Toriel. Then Frisk falls and Toriel is desperate to keep them with her to prevent both her being ridiculed more and another possible mass murderer to get out there but mainly to keep them safe from the revenge hungry Undyne who wants just one soul for now to go to the surface and kill Clover the “The dusty devil” as revenge(But also, you know Six go another six souls from the surface to break the barrier) Assuming they push forward, Snowdin would likely be harder than normal with more aggressive monsters. Waterfall might actually be easier because even though monsters would be more aggressive, Undyne would be in the castle. Of course there’s also the possibility of Undyne just leaving the castle and hunting you down as soon as she learns about you. I'd imagine that sans wouldn't make his promise or maybe he would considering that no one he knew actually died, and papyrus might end up as part of the royal guard (Due to both undyne and Martlets positions being open). Undyne might not have time to get to know papyrus as well due to being queen? I'd imagine some of Chujin's ideas would be checked out too, so new models of axis(or Axis inspired drones) and maybe some investigation into the boss monster serum? The feisty four are alive, and might play a role in the story, potentially as a waterfall boss? A pacifist run would be… really difficult and probably entail Frisk living as a peaceful fugitive in the Underground for years while winning over a few friends before the monsters overall come to terms with the fact that Frisk isn’t as bad as Clover. Ironically Frisk would probably have to live in the areas Clover wiped out since that’s where there wouldn’t be any monsters to threaten them. But eventually I’m sure Frisk could make peace. With no other Souls though… Frisk probably just lives in the Underground until they die of old age and give up their Soul to Undyne to be used to break the barrier. And who knows what happens from there? As a side note, if Chara ever wakes up or if Frisk does Genocide, Chara will be fucking *furious* to learn some human killed their best friend and adoptive father and seemingly confirmed all of their suspicions of humanity . Geno Frisk in this timeline would tear the Underground to shreds even more aggressively than normal (since there’s a much stronger self defense argument due to the increased anti-human sentiment) and potentially hold off on wiping out humanity until they get the pleasure of killing Clover with their own hands. And since it took Clover until LV 20 to match a LV1 Frisk’s Determination? there is some question of whether or not it would even be an even fight but on the other hand in the genocide route even if Frisk/Chara did managed to find Clover (which I heavily doubt they will be able to) several years has passed since UTY and I sure clover has grown even stronger during those times combined with the fact that frisk & chara tried to destroyed humanity no doubt Clover would get incredible furious he would gained LV rapidly (the semi- watcher @manufacturedfromabove79 RUclips channel) but would that be enough I don’t know considering by LV 20 frisk can literally destroy the world I honestly feel bad for what Chara and Frisk could potentially put but not definitely but Clover through before they finally destroy the world clover could still have a chance if fast to the draw, I guess with gun and assuming that frisk cannot save and load on the surface. in contrast to this It really does make Clover’s character more compelling, and it makes Pacifist ending so much more bittersweet, knowing that despite all the horrifying things Clover has been through, clover still chose to be kind, befriend monsters along the way and ultimately give up life for the future of monsterkind. m.ruclips.net/video/woGZRvYFA2g/видео.html on a lighter note Undertale Yellow taught me: - It's not about the destination, but the friends you make along the way - Bring a kid to an Underground Casino is always morally correct -The Mo theme (I bought everything this guy sold me in neutral, genocide, and pacifist skilled in the arts of trade is an understatement)
Later. The people of snowdin were left terrified The ruins and the wild east was dusty and quiet. The steamworks became a lifeless wasteland. Monsterkind felt hopeless losing the souls and their king. Undyne took control over the underground and swore vengence on the hatted human. Martlet was rememberred as a hero for trying to stop them.
And one day, a new human falls. Toriel, unaware of all that has happened, warns the child of Asgore and the dangers of the Underground, teaches them mercy, and tells them to show kindness. But, in this new Underground, there is no mercy, no kindness, no hopes or dreams or love. Only… VENGEANCE.
The feeling of "Mission Accomplished" is not always satisfactory, but we have to ask those who completed the mission to find out if the opinion is similar or not.
If this is the only way to survive...so I won't reset. I think Clover doesn't feel anything anymore...no guilt, no pride...but even so, I think there is no need to reset. We need to stay and take the souls to their relatives. We have to be strong. I'm sorry, Clover...
To be fair, geno route is better than pacifism, simply as giving your soul to potentially start a new war leading to way more casualties than ~100 monsters and a bunch of broken robots
The humans sealed away the monsters after the war, because justice forbade them to eradicate the enemy. But when the children fell... Who was it that spilled first blood..? The monsters.
But chara... the first child that fell, the monsters adopted them. And then asriel tried fulfilling chara's last wish after they got sick by putting their corpse on the golden flowers in the middle of the human's village. But the humans attack asriel and he died when he came back to the underground... Humans also spilled first blood.
@@FuntimeByzantium They had their reasons. What Clover did was in some way justice, But they can't help but feel that there's was a better way than spilling more blood...
Ты выбрался из подземелья, души освобождены Ты свободен и можно просто пойти домой. Королевство монстров разрушена... Но... Ты помнишь то что видел в её воспоминаниях "А даже если и столкнусь, я же со всеми хорошо лажу." "Не могут же ВСЕ люди быть плохими... Верно же?" "Чего ты хочешь добиться? Ты пытаешься найти причину ненавидеть меня? Странно... Ведь причина убивать других тебе не была нужна..." А ведь... Правда... Что она тебе сделала? Всё что она делала это лишь преграждала путь, не она первая напала а ТЫ первый напал. Когда она второй раз преграждала путь она лишь хотела убедить тебя в обратном а ты угрожал ей пистолетом, она даже не сопротивлялась. А когда в третий раз встретились ТЫ первый начал битву... Ты вспоминаешь врага который танцевал... Он извинялся за то что он вредил тебе вред а ты его убил... Ты убил монстра ковбоя у которого были лишь резиновые патроны и не настоящий пистолет а ты его всё равно убил не смотря на то что этот монстр не хотел тебя убивать... ...Действительно ли ты справедлив...?
* Ответ очевиден... *КОНЕЧНО!* * Слава великому и могучему *ЧЕЛОВЕЧЕСКОМУ ВИДУ!* * *Справедливость восторжествовала и её триумф закончится ещё не скоро!* * Ты вспоминаешь, как эти кровожадные твари безжалостно убивали ни в чём невиновных детей! * Ты вспоминаешь, как ты одолел робота, которого они сделали СПЕЦИАЛЬНО для убийства неповинных детей! * Но теперь, они все ощутили какого это, они наконец познали истинную *С П Р А В Е Д Л И В О С Т Ь .*
For me personaly: In UTY there isn't the good or bad ending. You choose if the ending you got was the one you feel comfortable with cuz. In one ending you are at the complete favor of Monsterkind, while on the other you are at the favor of your own. Humans and Monsters aren't that different after all if you see it deeply
* You did it, justice was finally served... * But... was it really worth it?... * Have you truly done the right thing...? * Perphaps there could've been another way... * What if you had listened to them? tried to understand them? * Could this tale have had a happier ending? you wonder... * But... it's too late to go back now... after all... * *You've* *made* *your* *choice* *long* *ago...*
The genocide run is still 100% not justified in a million years. Obviously. This is NOT the way to deal with their deaths. Most, if not ALL of the monsters you come across had nothing to do with the deaths of the previous humans. The only ones I’d hold responsible would be Asgore and Chujin, but that’s IT. I was going to add Axis but his battle made me realize that he wasn’t in control when he did it. He was forced to, and he didn’t want to kill the human. I don’t know if he’s 100% innocent because we don’t know how in control he was, but seriously, Chujin was 100% more responsible than he ever was. To understand Clover’s reasoning for their decision to murder every monster they come across, to me, at least, the vengeance run wasn’t about Justice. Or, it was kind of but It was probably more about making a statement about monster-kind’s hypocrisy. It’s about traumatizing the underground into never killing a human again. What makes the actions of Asgore so extra inexcusable is how he lives under the impression that this is his only choice, and he doesn’t have ANY other options other than killing the humans that have fallen down. But no.. he most CERTAINLY does. And what’s worse, he of all people should be the one who tries the options that results in the LEAST amount of death as possible, but he didn’t do them because he’s a coward. He had a human child before, who he LOVED. It’s should be obvious to him that humans do not deserve to die, just like monsters don’t. He should also know how much GRIEF the deaths of children have the capability of inflicting on others, especially their parents. He should make the conclusion himself that it’s not what Chara or Asriel would have wanted for any humans that fall. (Maybe not Chara, but Asriel especially.) So, in summation, Asgore is a hypocrite. He actively made monster-kind anti-human on purpose so he himself wouldn’t have to kill any of them, and when it came for his opportunity to kill them, he wouldn’t learn from his mistakes and realize that, “Oh wow! I’m inflicting this pain onto so many people even though I know for a FACT how painful this feeling can be, and I may be repeating history by making the same mistakes the humans did on my own children and it’s very possible I’ll be ensuring the deaths of many more humans and monsters in the future by killing humans as a response to them killing monsters!” Until the fucking LAST HUMAN. Toriel is right, he could’ve absorbed a human soul after the first human died, assuming the human lived out their natural lives in the underground from then on, without any violence or anything, and after the human passed away, he could have gone to the surface and taken 6 more souls peacefully from old/sick humans who had just perished without having to kill ANYONE. But he didn’t. Clover isn’t doing this for the sake of Justice, it’s about making monsters come to their own conclusions about their own actions and realize how the way they are pursuing their path to salvation is going to lead to the deaths of both humans and monsters. But Clover had the most FUCKED way of showing it. What did we learn from this? So.. uh.. I think what we learned from this is that true “Justice” is taking all the steps necessary in order to ensure that the mistakes made before weren’t in vain. It’s about trying your best to learn from things prior and not repeating the same mistakes over and over causing so much pain and dread for literally NOTHING. It’s both humanity’s, and monster-kind’s fault for all of this dust and bloodshed for not EMPATHIZING, and LISTENING, and trying their best to learn and not trying to cause harm to each other anymore. Humanity may have started this because of fear and anger and stuff, but it’s monster-kind who’s going to cause even more death and suffering for literally nothing.
Ngl it be It's interesting to see how the after ending of clover taken up the souls or like a cutscene of how the humans look of all the dust clover got
Not related to the video but sometimes I wonder, how would Clover feel adjourned if his last target was undyne? The head of the royal guard seeking justice for monsterkind as her main theme ("spear of justice") suggests. Limitless possiblities, I imagine, it is but a silly idea after all, justice was done, it's all that matters
The kindness soul would lose faith in you what kind of about killing The braveness soul would lose faith What’s brave about attacking people at their lowest? The perseverance soul lost faith Is there any perseverance to give you second thought of what you doing? The Integrity soul it knows they did something bad, but is there any integrity in your justice? And the patient soul lost the most amount of faith. That you judge without patience.
...was it worth it? the dept has been paid but... why do I feel like I was wrong...why do I hear the screams of them every time I close my eyes... was it justified?
This isn’t really based on this scene, but it carries the same theme, and I’m seeing a lot of other stories. So, why not: You let out a breath as the fox monster falls, her dust mixing with the star’s. You should feel nothing about this, at this point each foe is just another mark on your tally. So, why? Why does this feel awful, all of a sudden? You mind can’t help but stray back to the surface, back to Dahlia. What would she do here? What would she say if she saw this? What would she do if you were the one that fell? And that’s when it clicks. The why to your sudden guilt. Because they were like you, in that brief moment they both lived, they were like you. And if the fox went down first, well, you can imagine the hell you’d rain down if your best friend fell. The same feelings, reactions, it’s the same cloth. They were the same as you. So, what makes it right to gun them down-the star only had rubber bullets for fuck sake! This isn’t Justice, it’s just murder. You didn’t even give the Kindness of a swift death, you killed each one slowly so they could feel their sins, but the only sinful one was you, you didn’t need to kill. By the stars, the only thing you afforded to give was Patience as you hunted each tally down, and even your sister would be disgusted with that. “Flowey.” You can’t go further. “Howdy! Looks like you’ve dealt with that annoying fox, you did her a service, really, she had nothing left to live for.” “And who’s fault is that?!” you snap before taking a breath. “Send me back.” “What do ya mean, Clover?” “RESET, Flowey. Send. Me. Back. And make sure I don’t get to this point again.” Flowey tried to convince you to continue, but you mind is set. You won’t leave this spot until Flowey Resets. And eventually you feel a twist in your gut- -you wake up on a bed of golden flowers, rubbing your head as you look up at the light far above. The people you briefly wonder if you’ll ever see again. Then you get up, you made your choice, time to see it through…
What kind of exaction?) You came to investigate disappearing people, on your way almost every monster tries to kill you, so you fight back. Marlet didn't attacked you first, just blocking the way, so you spared her! Even two times! And then you learned that monsters actually killing people and stealing their souls. You revenged their deaths and saved their souls. You god dаmn hero, and there's no little bit to be sad about.
@Azwow nah, he destroyed all the aggressive monsters and won the war before it even starts. Also, this route isn't about greed for power. Clover get stronger when learned about "neutralising human". It's about revenge.
@@Kostr184but are monsters really attacking you? I mean, most of them don't act aggressively at all, we don't know if they really are attacking you Also in geno you are forcing the encounters so no self defense
@@user-vp9ry3km2c at least not in every case. El Bailador for example mentions that he never realized that you were getting hurt. And the dialogue of the rest of the normal monsters makes me think that they also don't. Most of them don't even realize that you are a human
You've saved the children's souls, but at what cost? Countless innocents? Their government, their friends, their family? You may have saved 5 innocents, but the actions you've committed are far worse than the ones done to them. Was it truly worth it?
* Those words ring in your head like wildfire
* "There's never been any escaping it. That Castle may as well be a coffin because you're already dead"
* "Ha ha! You hear that??? YOU'RE DEAD! HA HA HA!!!"
* ...
* Wasn't that enough reason to justify all?
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(Perhaps... You judged them too harshly...)
i love the idea that clover just keeps the souls with them and doesnt elaborate further
Regret hits after the realisation of his sins... will he be able to come back to the humans after what he has caused? He's lost between guilt and pride...
@@Azwow clover is non binary
@Morgansliftadventures i think the devs said their pronouns are whatever you want them to be
@@himhim2527 oh
@@himhim2527 in undertale its the same but everyone ignores that fact even tho toby said it
You did it. You brought down the monster kingdom, found and resuced the 5 missing humans. You're a true hero.
it would be a shame if you
battles against the true hero
You brought down a whole population of beings, beings who had families and friends... Was this really justice...?
@@mosescheung5794 Justice against Determination...
@@mosescheung5794 GOD FORBID
@@Azwow Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t.. Maybe this was needed for the greater good, maybe there was a better way to do this..
*X years ago, a human with a yellow SOUL fell to the underground.*
*Unlike those who came before them, this human went there intentionally, seeking vengeance for their predecessors.*
*Overnight, dozens of monsters perished, including the beloved King ASGORE, and the five souls he collected were stolen.*
*Hearing of her husband's death, the Queen returned from exile and instated a new policy: All humans who arrive from now on will be treated not as enemies, but as friends.*
*Not a day later, she was killed by her own furious subjects, and the former Captain of the Royal Guard became the new Queen.*
*She, too, had a new policy: Once the next human arrives, she will take their SOUL without delay and go to the SURFACE herself to collect the rest.*
*And now, finally, that last human has arrived, and the hope of monsterkind was rekindled.*
*But they are soon to find out that not only is this human far stronger than even its predecessor, they have a guardian angel...*
*Or perhaps more accurately, a guardian demon.*
Beautiful and well said
Horrortale but horror is for the monsters who follow the orders of their queen
Frisk who was planning on going around hugging everyone while hearing witty comments from an only mildly upset Chara: 😮 😑
@Solesteam Horrortale Red
* I did it.
* I accomplished my goal.
* I saved the humans...
* I eradicated the enemy...
* ...so why do I feel...
* ...
* I should be proud of myself.
* I am a hero.
* They... they _killed_ those humans.
* They _deserved_ it.
* ...why can't I accept it?
* I thought I did.
* The moment I entered this hellish place...
* I knew my goal.
* ... I didn't think it'd go this far.
* But now we're here.
* I'm stronger than ever.
* Yet this strength... it feels weird.
* I don't think I can ever be myself again.
* Not after all the things I did...
* I had to betray my morals to achive my goal.
* To get strong enough so I could...
* ...is this really justice...?
* It's too late to think about this.
* They're gone.
* _I'm_ gone.
* The only thing that remains is...
* *A world devoid of justice.*
Nothing but thoughts of guilt linger. You are filled with... regret.
This truly was an under tale yellow
@@usernametaken017 "Now my TALE lies UNDER YELLOW flowers..."
You won, but, you can feel it. You’re no longer filled with a sense of Justice.
You felt it as you went, subtly, but you figured it was just fatigue.
Now, however, resting upon this mountain top, you reflect on _all_ your actions.
On Dalv, on Martlet, on Starlo. Did they really deserve this? Was that Justice?
You realize, that, in your anger, your righteous fury became a dark rage, destroying without heed or mercy.
You feel your sins upon your back, they remind you that you can never truly take back your actions, truly undo what you’ve done.
Weighing heavy, your sins fill you with a sense of despair and remorse.
You sacrificed JUSTICE… for VENGEANCE. And now, all that is left is dust and regret.
Was it worth it?
The kindness soul is in misery it has a strong sense of justice and the patients and what you did has none of those.
You never thought patiently to do what’s right
But they still forgive you
i like to think post-genocide route the souls and clover just go get therapy for what they had to go through and what they did to those monsters
like imagine the trauma of dying in a foreign place, being rescued against all odds, and then being traumatized even more when you peek into your savior's mind and see all the horrible stuff they did to save you
I think the SOULs would just eventually dissipate after leaving the barrier. Geno Clover doesn't strike me as the kind of person who'd get therapy, if they could even get it (they're a child vaguely alluded to have an abusive home life). I think they'd either keep seeking "justice" on the surface until it got them killed, or decide what they did in the Underground didn't solve anything, and that the only just thing to do was to RESET.
PEAK
I can imagine that if they’re able to get the Souls bodies before they disappear.
Maybe it leads Clover to regret their actions more when they can’t find vessels, when their motive for all that death still fades into the ether…
Finally, Clover is alive and he's going to be okay. Justice has been served.
Were the sacrifices he made worth it?
@@Azwow If he didn't, they would have. If it took such sacrifices to keep Clover alive, then the world was never a justice place. After all, no one had to die....
@@AzwowYes for them
@@Nik-fn6tr There's always another way
@@Azwow Justice Matters Most
This song is the definition of I’ve won but at what cost
500. people
I doubt Clover would go to the surface and just be happy. When you seek the skewed justice that they did, it doesn't stop. If what the monsters did was unjust, imagine how Clover would view human society.
Clover appears on live tv to tell everyone how their gonna use their super laser piss to Kill everybody
@@fernoagent8581 I think their SOUL attack wouldn't be nearly as effective against humans, because they're not made of magic and they're not as affected by the murderous intent of others.
@@ColddirectorClover still has a loaded gun
@@ThePit. loaded with friendliness pellets, and who knows whether those dissipated after Flowey's death.
@Colddirector
He killed a robot with CLOVER BLAST with no problem. So I wouldn't say that.
"Do you feel like a hero yet?"
“In a word, Yes.”
**(Justice was done.)*
But at what cost
@@AzwowAt the cost of the lives of some monsters, but that doesn't really matter, what matters is that justice has been served, and that's it.
@Torchic454 It feels... like Clover has done more damage than good, slaughtering the innocent to free his own kind...
@@Azwow Noble goals require great sacrifices.😔
This is perfect for the end of 2024
a dusty ending
It is
* The edge of the Mountain looms over you.
* You won... and yet... Why am I still here?
* I should be giving them to. . . Who are their families?
* . . . Why won't they talk to me? . . . I did the Right thing... Right? This is. . . Justice.
* . . . . . . . But nothing came of it.
Holy crap this song hits hard... I imagine it makes Clover think if it was worth it, all the pain caused for "letting justice be done"...
Its actually the losing theme slowed and reverbed, because in the end... Clover felt like the decisions they made were a loss
*To think genocide is the only ending where Clover survives and goes home...*
I believe that clover would just return to the other humans with the 5 souls
Since Clover killed everyone in the underground he won’t be messed around anymore in his home town anymore
He done his job very well
The other humans might agree and some won’t
But at the end he’s still alive and healthy
Vengeance has been done and there’s no returning back
Now i can rest easy knowing the human souls are back -Clover
The monsters only took 5... clover took dozens, and for what? A chance at freedom and saving 5 already dead children...
It would require the souls of all the monsters to be able to match the power of a human soul.
@ANDRESALEGB12 that might be true. but monsters still had families and friends. They were as alive as the humans
@@AzwowClover did not care about them having family. And remember that some of the monsters are hiding from clover during the genocide route, After Clover left the underground with the 5 souls The remaining of the monster have to pick a new King or queen to rule the underground or just give up hope
@@johnthefox4178 And this has ensured the war between monsters and humans would never end
RESET 💛STAY
Justice… has been served….
Терпение принимает то как он был терпелив и не спешил во время своего пути
Храбрость хвалит его за его храбрость , за то что он не побоялся спускаться и спасать их
Порядочность гордится им за то что он навёл порядок в подземелье и закончил её дело
Настойчивость одобряет то что он весь свой путь стоял на своём
Доброта не понимает его жестокость и суждения
Fun fact, the genocide route is probably canon, following by Clover doing a true reset out of guilt. Because in the Omega Flowey fight, Flowey has access to all of the save files of the fallen humans.... Implying that Clover had control over the timeline at one point. And the only moment they had control over it.. is during a genocide run
i think clover not having control over their own save file is just a plot hole of undertale yellow, because its implied by the omega flowey fight that each soul has its own save file, and i dont think that every single fallen human did a genocide run just to get the ability to save, i think thats just something a human soul can do.
Every ending is simultaneously canon, as the player inevitably completes each of them before resetting.
The only question is the order and the end, which ending cannot be taken back is the canon one.
@@TheDestroyer55e Yes.... But not
Look at it like that, everyone can have their own save file, that looks great with our leads and flowey
The joke of because in undertale we have absolute control of our save file is that our will, our DETERMINATION is much greater than flowey
Everyone is able to manage to have control of their save file if they manage to overcome user's will with greater source of determination of the place
In the aftermath of the vengeance ending Toriel would try to take over and be overthrown by Undyne, establishing a totalitarian regime. She’d likely promote one of the dogs to head of the Royal Guard and Martlet would likely be revered as a hero and used for a lot of propaganda. With a sizable chunk of the Underground dead, Undyne would need to figure out how to get the economy back on track and also how to be a good leader. She’d likely recruit Alphys as some sort of Royal advisor or something which… I don’t see going well. Alphys would fold like a wet noodle any time Undyne would push back on any of her suggestions.
By the time Frisk falls, the Underground will likely be struggling economically but still be very vehemently anti human. It won’t be quite as bad as Horrortale since Clover never decimated areas like CORE or Hotland. Undyne might find out about the Amalgamates which would lead to a very interesting confrontation. Mettaton’s TV shows would likely be at least partially rebranded into propaganda. Papyrus might finally be allowed to join the Royal Guard since Undyne would have likely gone at least a little off the deep end (and the Royal Guard needs more power. With Martlet dead and Undyne as Queen, the strongest known members of the guard are RG01 and RG02). Undyne would need his strength. Sans likely remains apathetic But maybe joins the Royal guard or remains a Century to just to protect his brother.
Frisk should still be able to Save and Load but they’ll almost certainly have to kill a lot of monsters their first go around.
Toriel would be very clingy and even harder to get past than normal, and the monsters would all try very hard to kill Frisk. Hell, maybe Frisk would just stay with Toriel.
Then Frisk falls and Toriel is desperate to keep them with her to prevent both her being ridiculed more and another possible mass murderer to get out there but mainly to keep them safe from the revenge hungry Undyne who wants just one soul for now to go to the surface and kill Clover the “The dusty devil” as revenge(But also, you know Six go another six souls from the surface to break the barrier)
Assuming they push forward, Snowdin would likely be harder than normal with more aggressive monsters. Waterfall might actually be easier because even though monsters would be more aggressive, Undyne would be in the castle. Of course there’s also the possibility of Undyne just leaving the castle and hunting you down as soon as she learns about you.
I'd imagine that sans wouldn't make his promise or maybe he would considering that no one he knew actually died, and papyrus might end up as part of the royal guard (Due to both undyne and Martlets positions being open). Undyne might not have time to get to know papyrus as well due to being queen?
I'd imagine some of Chujin's ideas would be checked out too, so new models of axis(or Axis inspired drones) and maybe some investigation into the boss monster serum?
The feisty four are alive, and might play a role in the story, potentially as a waterfall boss?
A pacifist run would be… really difficult and probably entail Frisk living as a peaceful fugitive in the Underground for years while winning over a few friends before the monsters overall come to terms with the fact that Frisk isn’t as bad as Clover. Ironically Frisk would probably have to live in the areas Clover wiped out since that’s where there wouldn’t be any monsters to threaten them. But eventually I’m sure Frisk could make peace. With no other Souls though… Frisk probably just lives in the Underground until they die of old age and give up their Soul to Undyne to be used to break the barrier. And who knows what happens from there?
As a side note, if Chara ever wakes up or if Frisk does Genocide, Chara will be fucking
*furious*
to learn some human killed their best friend and adoptive father and seemingly confirmed all of their suspicions of humanity . Geno Frisk in this timeline would tear the Underground to shreds even more aggressively than normal (since there’s a much stronger self defense argument due to the increased anti-human sentiment) and potentially hold off on wiping out humanity until they get the pleasure of killing Clover with their own hands. And since it took Clover until LV 20 to match a LV1 Frisk’s Determination? there is some question of whether or not it would even be an even fight but on the other hand in the genocide route even if Frisk/Chara did managed to find Clover (which I heavily doubt they will be able to) several years has passed since UTY and I sure clover has grown even stronger during those times combined with the fact that frisk & chara tried to destroyed humanity no doubt Clover would get incredible furious he would gained LV rapidly (the semi- watcher @manufacturedfromabove79 RUclips channel) but would that be enough I don’t know considering by LV 20 frisk can literally destroy the world I honestly feel bad for what Chara and Frisk could potentially put but not definitely but Clover through before they finally destroy the world clover could still have a chance if fast to the draw, I guess with gun and assuming that frisk cannot save and load on the surface.
in contrast to this It really does make Clover’s character more compelling, and it makes Pacifist ending so much more bittersweet, knowing that despite all the horrifying things Clover has been through, clover still chose to be kind, befriend monsters along the way and ultimately give up life for the future of monsterkind.
m.ruclips.net/video/woGZRvYFA2g/видео.html
on a lighter note Undertale Yellow taught me:
- It's not about the destination, but the friends you make along the way
- Bring a kid to an Underground Casino is always morally correct
-The Mo theme (I bought everything this guy sold me in neutral, genocide, and pacifist skilled in the arts of trade is an understatement)
Welp...Frisk is going have one hell of playthrough now xD
lol Ikr
After all the battles you fought, enemies you defeated and the end reached you feel... nothing. And yet you must move forward, No matter what comes.
I feel that the geno run is canon, but Clover canonically always resets due to Asgore’s soul burdening them with the guilt and hopes of monsterkind.
Later.
The people of snowdin were left terrified
The ruins and the wild east was dusty and quiet.
The steamworks became a lifeless wasteland.
Monsterkind felt hopeless losing the souls and their king.
Undyne took control over the underground and swore vengence on the hatted human.
Martlet was rememberred as a hero for trying to stop them.
And one day, a new human falls. Toriel, unaware of all that has happened, warns the child of Asgore and the dangers of the Underground, teaches them mercy, and tells them to show kindness.
But, in this new Underground, there is no mercy, no kindness, no hopes or dreams or love. Only… VENGEANCE.
Crazy how it almost has the effects of a Neutral Route in Undertale
The feeling of "Mission Accomplished" is not always satisfactory, but we have to ask those who completed the mission to find out if the opinion is similar or not.
If this is the only way to survive...so I won't reset. I think Clover doesn't feel anything anymore...no guilt, no pride...but even so, I think there is no need to reset. We need to stay and take the souls to their relatives. We have to be strong. I'm sorry, Clover...
To be fair, geno route is better than pacifism, simply as giving your soul to potentially start a new war leading to way more casualties than ~100 monsters and a bunch of broken robots
In Clover defense, no one said anything about a war, only that they needed a soul to get out
The humans sealed away the monsters after the war, because justice forbade them to eradicate the enemy.
But when the children fell... Who was it that spilled first blood..?
The monsters.
But chara... the first child that fell, the monsters adopted them. And then asriel tried fulfilling chara's last wish after they got sick by putting their corpse on the golden flowers in the middle of the human's village. But the humans attack asriel and he died when he came back to the underground... Humans also spilled first blood.
@@Azwow To be fair, Asriel was holding a dead child. Are you judging humans too harshly?
@@FuntimeByzantium humans were judging asriel too harshly, they jumped to conclusions...
@@Azwow ‘Monsters are made of love and compassion' proceeds to kill 5 human children. Compassion my ass
@@FuntimeByzantium They had their reasons. What Clover did was in some way justice, But they can't help but feel that there's was a better way than spilling more blood...
Ты выбрался из подземелья, души освобождены
Ты свободен и можно просто пойти домой.
Королевство монстров разрушена...
Но... Ты помнишь то что видел в её воспоминаниях
"А даже если и столкнусь, я же со всеми хорошо лажу." "Не могут же ВСЕ люди быть плохими... Верно же?"
"Чего ты хочешь добиться? Ты пытаешься найти причину ненавидеть меня? Странно... Ведь причина убивать других тебе не была нужна..."
А ведь... Правда... Что она тебе сделала? Всё что она делала это лишь преграждала путь, не она первая напала а ТЫ первый напал.
Когда она второй раз преграждала путь она лишь хотела убедить тебя в обратном а ты угрожал ей пистолетом, она даже не сопротивлялась.
А когда в третий раз встретились ТЫ первый начал битву...
Ты вспоминаешь врага который танцевал... Он извинялся за то что он вредил тебе вред а ты его убил...
Ты убил монстра ковбоя у которого были лишь резиновые патроны и не настоящий пистолет а ты его всё равно убил не смотря на то что этот монстр не хотел тебя убивать...
...Действительно ли ты справедлив...?
(ты стремился к справедливости... или власти?...)
* Ответ очевиден... *КОНЕЧНО!*
* Слава великому и могучему *ЧЕЛОВЕЧЕСКОМУ ВИДУ!*
* *Справедливость восторжествовала и её триумф закончится ещё не скоро!*
* Ты вспоминаешь, как эти кровожадные твари безжалостно убивали ни в чём невиновных детей!
* Ты вспоминаешь, как ты одолел робота, которого они сделали СПЕЦИАЛЬНО для убийства неповинных детей!
* Но теперь, они все ощутили какого это, они наконец познали истинную *С П Р А В Е Д Л И В О С Т Ь .*
@@Azwow *Вы решаете сбросить таймлайн*
*Оставить всё как есть 💛 *Сбросить
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@@ДаниярКотИнсайд * *Оставить всё как есть* 💛 безусловно!
For me personaly: In UTY there isn't the good or bad ending. You choose if the ending you got was the one you feel comfortable with cuz. In one ending you are at the complete favor of Monsterkind, while on the other you are at the favor of your own. Humans and Monsters aren't that different after all if you see it deeply
Justice is beyond good or bad, no matter how things end... it will always be served
@@Azwow You're playing as itself to begin with
If there was any other way, he wouldn't have done it. Everyday he wish he could have done differently
* You did it, justice was finally served...
* But... was it really worth it?...
* Have you truly done the right thing...?
* Perphaps there could've been another way...
* What if you had listened to them? tried to understand them?
* Could this tale have had a happier ending? you wonder...
* But... it's too late to go back now... after all...
* *You've* *made* *your* *choice* *long* *ago...*
Omega clover
Your Best Judgement
The genocide run is still 100% not justified in a million years. Obviously. This is NOT the way to deal with their deaths. Most, if not ALL of the monsters you come across had nothing to do with the deaths of the previous humans. The only ones I’d hold responsible would be Asgore and Chujin, but that’s IT.
I was going to add Axis but his battle made me realize that he wasn’t in control when he did it. He was forced to, and he didn’t want to kill the human. I don’t know if he’s 100% innocent because we don’t know how in control he was, but seriously, Chujin was 100% more responsible than he ever was.
To understand Clover’s reasoning for their decision to murder every monster they come across, to me, at least, the vengeance run wasn’t about Justice.
Or, it was kind of but It was probably more about making a statement about monster-kind’s hypocrisy.
It’s about traumatizing the underground into never killing a human again.
What makes the actions of Asgore so extra inexcusable is how he lives under the impression that this is his only choice, and he doesn’t have ANY other options other than killing the humans that have fallen down.
But no.. he most CERTAINLY does.
And what’s worse, he of all people should be the one who tries the options that results in the LEAST amount of death as possible, but he didn’t do them because he’s a coward.
He had a human child before, who he LOVED. It’s should be obvious to him that humans do not deserve to die, just like monsters don’t. He should also know how much GRIEF the deaths of children have the capability of inflicting on others, especially their parents.
He should make the conclusion himself that it’s not what Chara or Asriel would have wanted for any humans that fall. (Maybe not Chara, but Asriel especially.)
So, in summation, Asgore is a hypocrite. He actively made monster-kind anti-human on purpose so he himself wouldn’t have to kill any of them, and when it came for his opportunity to kill them, he wouldn’t learn from his mistakes and realize that, “Oh wow! I’m inflicting this pain onto so many people even though I know for a FACT how painful this feeling can be, and I may be repeating history by making the same mistakes the humans did on my own children and it’s very possible I’ll be ensuring the deaths of many more humans and monsters in the future by killing humans as a response to them killing monsters!” Until the fucking LAST HUMAN. Toriel is right, he could’ve absorbed a human soul after the first human died, assuming the human lived out their natural lives in the underground from then on, without any violence or anything, and after the human passed away, he could have gone to the surface and taken 6 more souls peacefully from old/sick humans who had just perished without having to kill ANYONE. But he didn’t.
Clover isn’t doing this for the sake of Justice, it’s about making monsters come to their own conclusions about their own actions and realize how the way they are pursuing their path to salvation is going to lead to the deaths of both humans and monsters.
But Clover had the most FUCKED way of showing it.
What did we learn from this?
So.. uh.. I think what we learned from this is that true “Justice” is taking all the steps necessary in order to ensure that the mistakes made before weren’t in vain. It’s about trying your best to learn from things prior and not repeating the same mistakes over and over causing so much pain and dread for literally NOTHING. It’s both humanity’s, and monster-kind’s fault for all of this dust and bloodshed for not EMPATHIZING, and LISTENING, and trying their best to learn and not trying to cause harm to each other anymore. Humanity may have started this because of fear and anger and stuff, but it’s monster-kind who’s going to cause even more death and suffering for literally nothing.
This could be a great ending for the genocide run also I want to put this as my wallpaper it’s to beautiful
Lemme send you that then!
I also want it as a wallpaper xd
@neopump6859 add me on discord then!
@@Azwow I already sent you a request
@@AzwowCould I have it as well? My tag is BeeboTheCool
Clover: “well gang, I did it. I saved ya’ll…but,…what next?”
* It's just you. But are you just?
* i did it... i saved the 5 missing humans.
But at the cost of my own humanity…
(You wonder if this was worth all that you’ve done…)
* Justice has been served
* *but at what cost?*
yup. hella worth it. vengeance clover best clover.
Lore of And Then, A World Devoid Of Justice Appeared... Momentum 100
Justice is becoming absent.
Ah, yes, the good ending.
Ngl it be It's interesting to see how the after ending of clover taken up the souls or like a cutscene of how the humans look of all the dust clover got
I'd like to imagine Clover drowning in guilt after exiting the barrier, and thinking about his sins.
O yah makes sense I like that idea 💡
BTW this is amazing
@@zlovegames2575 thanks bud
Np@@Azwow
To be fair. Clover didn’t actively cause a genocide in this case. The monsters from the original undertale except asgore are mostly ok to do whatever
very vibey i love this
the realization of your actions fills you with guilt...
Clover just like: what now?
Accomplished my mission yet was all that worth doing?…
* despite everything you served Justice
Not related to the video but sometimes I wonder, how would Clover feel adjourned if his last target was undyne? The head of the royal guard seeking justice for monsterkind as her main theme ("spear of justice") suggests. Limitless possiblities, I imagine, it is but a silly idea after all, justice was done, it's all that matters
At least he had the "Reset":..
Вы наполняетесь чувством справедливости... Или же правосудием?
Not justice i feel... but vengence
guilt, regret, exaction, hate. My sense of justice is losing to those feelings.
The kindness soul would lose faith in you what kind of about killing
The braveness soul would lose faith
What’s brave about attacking people at their lowest?
The perseverance soul lost faith Is there any perseverance to give you second thought of what you doing?
The Integrity soul it knows they did something bad, but is there any integrity in your justice?
And the patient soul lost the most amount of faith. That you judge without patience.
...was it worth it? the dept has been paid but... why do I feel like I was wrong...why do I hear the screams of them every time I close my eyes... was it justified?
You slaughtered every monster for the freedom of the 5 humans and yourself. It took countless lives... Was it really... justice...?
@@Azwow YES
freedom paradox is't okay to kill to get your freedom that was taking cuz this the only way to return it ?
This isn’t really based on this scene, but it carries the same theme, and I’m seeing a lot of other stories. So, why not:
You let out a breath as the fox monster falls, her dust mixing with the star’s. You should feel nothing about this, at this point each foe is just another mark on your tally. So, why? Why does this feel awful, all of a sudden?
You mind can’t help but stray back to the surface, back to Dahlia. What would she do here? What would she say if she saw this?
What would she do if you were the one that fell?
And that’s when it clicks. The why to your sudden guilt. Because they were like you, in that brief moment they both lived, they were like you.
And if the fox went down first, well, you can imagine the hell you’d rain down if your best friend fell.
The same feelings, reactions, it’s the same cloth. They were the same as you. So, what makes it right to gun them down-the star only had rubber bullets for fuck sake!
This isn’t Justice, it’s just murder. You didn’t even give the Kindness of a swift death, you killed each one slowly so they could feel their sins, but the only sinful one was you, you didn’t need to kill.
By the stars, the only thing you afforded to give was Patience as you hunted each tally down, and even your sister would be disgusted with that.
“Flowey.” You can’t go further.
“Howdy! Looks like you’ve dealt with that annoying fox, you did her a service, really, she had nothing left to live for.”
“And who’s fault is that?!” you snap before taking a breath. “Send me back.”
“What do ya mean, Clover?”
“RESET, Flowey. Send. Me. Back. And make sure I don’t get to this point again.”
Flowey tried to convince you to continue, but you mind is set. You won’t leave this spot until Flowey Resets.
And eventually you feel a twist in your gut-
-you wake up on a bed of golden flowers, rubbing your head as you look up at the light far above. The people you briefly wonder if you’ll ever see again.
Then you get up, you made your choice, time to see it through…
I have bring justice for you, but at what cost?
Was the right path? Was it really justice?
What kind of exaction?)
You came to investigate disappearing people, on your way almost every monster tries to kill you, so you fight back.
Marlet didn't attacked you first, just blocking the way, so you spared her! Even two times!
And then you learned that monsters actually killing people and stealing their souls. You revenged their deaths and saved their souls.
You god dаmn hero, and there's no little bit to be sad about.
The greed for power, being selfish only caring about humans, you created a war that would never end...
@Azwow nah, he destroyed all the aggressive monsters and won the war before it even starts.
Also, this route isn't about greed for power. Clover get stronger when learned about "neutralising human".
It's about revenge.
@@Kostr184but are monsters really attacking you? I mean, most of them don't act aggressively at all, we don't know if they really are attacking you
Also in geno you are forcing the encounters so no self defense
They are attacking you and are fully aware of that
@@user-vp9ry3km2c at least not in every case. El Bailador for example mentions that he never realized that you were getting hurt. And the dialogue of the rest of the normal monsters makes me think that they also don't. Most of them don't even realize that you are a human
You've saved the children's souls, but at what cost? Countless innocents? Their government, their friends, their family? You may have saved 5 innocents, but the actions you've committed are far worse than the ones done to them. Was it truly worth it?
Best ending
...
What's wrong?
He achieved justice, but at the cost of his moral integrity.
-Don't act like you didn't want this.-
💛 RESET STAY
😶...
:O
Honestly they should have switched the 2 routes, where genocide leads to losing and pacifism leads to victory
It will be bad if this concept was in original game