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The epitome of "let justice be done, though the world may perish."

*To think genocide is the only ending where Clover survives and goes home...*

The kindness soul would lose faith in you what kind of about killing The braveness soul would lose faith What’s brave about attacking people at their lowest? The perseverance soul lost faith Is there any perseverance to give you second thought of what you doing? The Integrity soul it knows they did something bad, but is there any integrity in your justice? And the patient soul lost the most amount of faith. That you judge without patience.

RESET 💛STAY Justice… has been served….

Best ending

The feeling of "Mission Accomplished" is not always satisfactory, but we have to ask those who completed the mission to find out if the opinion is similar or not.

The genocide run is still 100% not justified in a million years. Obviously. This is NOT the way to deal with their deaths. Most, if not ALL of the monsters you come across had nothing to do with the deaths of the previous humans. The only ones I’d hold responsible would be Asgore and Chujin, but that’s IT. I was going to add Axis but his battle made me realize that he wasn’t in control when he did it. He was forced to, and he didn’t want to kill the human. I don’t know if he’s 100% innocent because we don’t know how in control he was, but seriously, Chujin was 100% more responsible than he ever was. To understand Clover’s reasoning for their decision to murder every monster they come across, to me, at least, the vengeance run wasn’t about Justice. Or, it was kind of but It was probably more about making a statement about monster-kind’s hypocrisy. It’s about traumatizing the underground into never killing a human again. What makes the actions of Asgore so extra inexcusable is how he lives under the impression that this is his only choice, and he doesn’t have ANY other options other than killing the humans that have fallen down. But no.. he most CERTAINLY does. And what’s worse, he of all people should be the one who tries the options that results in the LEAST amount of death as possible, but he didn’t do them because he’s a coward. He had a human child before, who he LOVED. It’s should be obvious to him that humans do not deserve to die, just like monsters don’t. He should also know how much GRIEF the deaths of children have the capability of inflicting on others, especially their parents. He should make the conclusion himself that it’s not what Chara or Asriel would have wanted for any humans that fall. (Maybe not Chara, but Asriel especially.) So, in summation, Asgore is a hypocrite. He actively made monster-kind anti-human on purpose so he himself wouldn’t have to kill any of them, and when it came for his opportunity to kill them, he wouldn’t learn from his mistakes and realize that, “Oh wow! I’m inflicting this pain onto so many people even though I know for a FACT how painful this feeling can be, and I may be repeating history by making the same mistakes the humans did on my own children and it’s very possible I’ll be ensuring the deaths of many more humans and monsters in the future by killing humans as a response to them killing monsters!” Until the fucking LAST HUMAN. Toriel is right, he could’ve absorbed a human soul after the first human died, assuming the human lived out their natural lives in the underground from then on, without any violence or anything, and after the human passed away, he could have gone to the surface and taken 6 more souls peacefully from old/sick humans who had just perished without having to kill ANYONE. But he didn’t. Clover isn’t doing this for the sake of Justice, it’s about making monsters come to their own conclusions about their own actions and realize how the way they are pursuing their path to salvation is going to lead to the deaths of both humans and monsters. But Clover had the most FUCKED way of showing it. What did we learn from this? So.. uh.. I think what we learned from this is that true “Justice” is taking all the steps necessary in order to ensure that the mistakes made before weren’t in vain. It’s about trying your best to learn from things prior and not repeating the same mistakes over and over causing so much pain and dread for literally NOTHING. It’s both humanity’s, and monster-kind’s fault for all of this dust and bloodshed for not EMPATHIZING, and LISTENING, and trying their best to learn and not trying to cause harm to each other anymore. Humanity may have started this because of fear and anger and stuff, but it’s monster-kind who’s going to cause even more death and suffering for literally nothing.

freedom paradox is't okay to kill to get your freedom that was taking cuz this the only way to return it ?

* You did it, justice was finally served... * But... was it really worth it?... * Have you truly done the right thing...? * Perphaps there could've been another way... * What if you had listened to them? tried to understand them? * Could this tale have had a happier ending? you wonder... * But... it's too late to go back now... after all... * *You've* *made* *your* *choice* *long* *ago...*

In the aftermath of the vengeance ending Toriel would try to take over and be overthrown by Undyne, establishing a totalitarian regime. She’d likely promote one of the dogs to head of the Royal Guard and Martlet would likely be revered as a hero and used for a lot of propaganda. With a sizable chunk of the Underground dead, Undyne would need to figure out how to get the economy back on track and also how to be a good leader. She’d likely recruit Alphys as some sort of Royal advisor or something which… I don’t see going well. Alphys would fold like a wet noodle any time Undyne would push back on any of her suggestions. By the time Frisk falls, the Underground will likely be struggling economically but still be very vehemently anti human. It won’t be quite as bad as Horrortale since Clover never decimated areas like CORE or Hotland. Undyne might find out about the Amalgamates which would lead to a very interesting confrontation. Mettaton’s TV shows would likely be at least partially rebranded into propaganda. Papyrus might finally be allowed to join the Royal Guard since Undyne would have likely gone at least a little off the deep end (and the Royal Guard needs more power. With Martlet dead and Undyne as Queen, the strongest known members of the guard are RG01 and RG02). Undyne would need his strength. Sans likely remains apathetic But maybe joins the Royal guard or remains a Century to just to protect his brother. Frisk should still be able to Save and Load but they’ll almost certainly have to kill a lot of monsters their first go around. Toriel would be very clingy and even harder to get past than normal, and the monsters would all try very hard to kill Frisk. Hell, maybe Frisk would just stay with Toriel. Then Frisk falls and Toriel is desperate to keep them with her to prevent both her being ridiculed more and another possible mass murderer to get out there but mainly to keep them safe from the revenge hungry Undyne who wants just one soul for now to go to the surface and kill Clover the “The dusty devil” as revenge(But also, you know Six go another six souls from the surface to break the barrier) Assuming they push forward, Snowdin would likely be harder than normal with more aggressive monsters. Waterfall might actually be easier because even though monsters would be more aggressive, Undyne would be in the castle. Of course there’s also the possibility of Undyne just leaving the castle and hunting you down as soon as she learns about you. I'd imagine that sans wouldn't make his promise or maybe he would considering that no one he knew actually died, and papyrus might end up as part of the royal guard (Due to both undyne and Martlets positions being open). Undyne might not have time to get to know papyrus as well due to being queen? I'd imagine some of Chujin's ideas would be checked out too, so new models of axis(or Axis inspired drones) and maybe some investigation into the boss monster serum? The feisty four are alive, and might play a role in the story, potentially as a waterfall boss? A pacifist run would be… really difficult and probably entail Frisk living as a peaceful fugitive in the Underground for years while winning over a few friends before the monsters overall come to terms with the fact that Frisk isn’t as bad as Clover. Ironically Frisk would probably have to live in the areas Clover wiped out since that’s where there wouldn’t be any monsters to threaten them. But eventually I’m sure Frisk could make peace. With no other Souls though… Frisk probably just lives in the Underground until they die of old age and give up their Soul to Undyne to be used to break the barrier. And who knows what happens from there? As a side note, if Chara ever wakes up or if Frisk does Genocide, Chara will be fucking *furious* to learn some human killed their best friend and adoptive father and seemingly confirmed all of their suspicions of humanity . Geno Frisk in this timeline would tear the Underground to shreds even more aggressively than normal (since there’s a much stronger self defense argument due to the increased anti-human sentiment) and potentially hold off on wiping out humanity until they get the pleasure of killing Clover with their own hands. And since it took Clover until LV 20 to match a LV1 Frisk’s Determination? there is some question of whether or not it would even be an even fight but on the other hand in the genocide route even if Frisk/Chara did managed to find Clover (which I heavily doubt they will be able to) several years has passed since UTY and I sure clover has grown even stronger during those times combined with the fact that frisk & chara tried to destroyed humanity no doubt Clover would get incredible furious he would gained LV rapidly (the semi- watcher @manufacturedfromabove79 RUclips channel) but would that be enough I don’t know considering by LV 20 frisk can literally destroy the world I honestly feel bad for what Chara and Frisk could potentially put but not definitely but Clover through before they finally destroy the world clover could still have a chance if fast to the draw, I guess with gun and assuming that frisk cannot save and load on the surface. in contrast to this It really does make Clover’s character more compelling, and it makes Pacifist ending so much more bittersweet, knowing that despite all the horrifying things Clover has been through, clover still chose to be kind, befriend monsters along the way and ultimately give up life for the future of monsterkind. m.ruclips.net/video/woGZRvYFA2g/видео.html on a lighter note Undertale Yellow taught me: - It's not about the destination, but the friends you make along the way - Bring a kid to an Underground Casino is always morally correct -The Mo theme (I bought everything this guy sold me in neutral, genocide, and pacifist skilled in the arts of trade is an understatement)

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This isn’t really based on this scene, but it carries the same theme, and I’m seeing a lot of other stories. So, why not: You let out a breath as the fox monster falls, her dust mixing with the star’s. You should feel nothing about this, at this point each foe is just another mark on your tally. So, why? Why does this feel awful, all of a sudden? You mind can’t help but stray back to the surface, back to Dahlia. What would she do here? What would she say if she saw this? What would she do if you were the one that fell? And that’s when it clicks. The why to your sudden guilt. Because they were like you, in that brief moment they both lived, they were like you. And if the fox went down first, well, you can imagine the hell you’d rain down if your best friend fell. The same feelings, reactions, it’s the same cloth. They were the same as you. So, what makes it right to gun them down-the star only had rubber bullets for fuck sake! This isn’t Justice, it’s just murder. You didn’t even give the Kindness of a swift death, you killed each one slowly so they could feel their sins, but the only sinful one was you, you didn’t need to kill. By the stars, the only thing you afforded to give was Patience as you hunted each tally down, and even your sister would be disgusted with that. “Flowey.” You can’t go further. “Howdy! Looks like you’ve dealt with that annoying fox, you did her a service, really, she had nothing left to live for.” “And who’s fault is that?!” you snap before taking a breath. “Send me back.” “What do ya mean, Clover?” “RESET, Flowey. Send. Me. Back. And make sure I don’t get to this point again.” Flowey tried to convince you to continue, but you mind is set. You won’t leave this spot until Flowey Resets. And eventually you feel a twist in your gut- -you wake up on a bed of golden flowers, rubbing your head as you look up at the light far above. The people you briefly wonder if you’ll ever see again. Then you get up, you made your choice, time to see it through…

* Justice has been served * *but at what cost?*

Welp...Frisk is going have one hell of playthrough now xD

Ah, yes, the good ending.

Терпение принимает то как он был терпелив и не спешил во время своего пути Храбрость хвалит его за его храбрость , за то что он не побоялся спускаться и спасать их Порядочность гордится им за то что он навёл порядок в подземелье и закончил её дело Настойчивость одобряет то что он весь свой путь стоял на своём Доброта не понимает его жестокость и суждения

Not related to the video but sometimes I wonder, how would Clover feel adjourned if his last target was undyne? The head of the royal guard seeking justice for monsterkind as her main theme ("spear of justice") suggests. Limitless possiblities, I imagine, it is but a silly idea after all, justice was done, it's all that matters

You've saved the children's souls, but at what cost? Countless innocents? Their government, their friends, their family? You may have saved 5 innocents, but the actions you've committed are far worse than the ones done to them. Was it truly worth it?

* It's just you. But are you just?

💛 RESET STAY

*X years ago, a human with a yellow SOUL fell to the underground.* *Unlike those who came before them, this human went there intentionally, seeking vengeance for their predecessors.* *Overnight, dozens of monsters perished, including the beloved King ASGORE, and the five souls he collected were stolen.* *Hearing of her husband's death, the Queen returned from exile and instated a new policy: All humans who arrive from now on will be treated not as enemies, but as friends.* *Not a day later, she was killed by her own furious subjects, and the former Captain of the Royal Guard became the new Queen.* *She, too, had a new policy: Once the next human arrives, she will take their SOUL without delay and go to the SURFACE herself to collect the rest.* *And now, finally, that last human has arrived, and the hope of monsterkind was rekindled.* *But they are soon to find out that not only is this human far stronger than even its predecessor, they have a guardian angel...* *Or perhaps more accurately, a guardian demon.*

To be fair, geno route is better than pacifism, simply as giving your soul to potentially start a new war leading to way more casualties than ~100 monsters and a bunch of broken robots

After all the battles you fought, enemies you defeated and the end reached you feel... nothing. And yet you must move forward, No matter what comes.

I feel that the geno run is canon, but Clover canonically always resets due to Asgore’s soul burdening them with the guilt and hopes of monsterkind.

I doubt Clover would go to the surface and just be happy. When you seek the skewed justice that they did, it doesn't stop. If what the monsters did was unjust, imagine how Clover would view human society.

Clover just like: what now?

Clover: “well gang, I did it. I saved ya’ll…but,…what next?”

This song is the definition of I’ve won but at what cost

Honestly they should have switched the 2 routes, where genocide leads to losing and pacifism leads to victory

If there was any other way, he wouldn't have done it. Everyday he wish he could have done differently

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For me personaly: In UTY there isn't the good or bad ending. You choose if the ending you got was the one you feel comfortable with cuz. In one ending you are at the complete favor of Monsterkind, while on the other you are at the favor of your own. Humans and Monsters aren't that different after all if you see it deeply

At least he had the "Reset":..

To be fair. Clover didn’t actively cause a genocide in this case. The monsters from the original undertale except asgore are mostly ok to do whatever

* despite everything you served Justice

yup. hella worth it. vengeance clover best clover.

Fun fact, the genocide route is probably canon, following by Clover doing a true reset out of guilt. Because in the Omega Flowey fight, Flowey has access to all of the save files of the fallen humans.... Implying that Clover had control over the timeline at one point. And the only moment they had control over it.. is during a genocide run

Later. The people of snowdin were left terrified The ruins and the wild east was dusty and quiet. The steamworks became a lifeless wasteland. Monsterkind felt hopeless losing the souls and their king. Undyne took control over the underground and swore vengence on the hatted human. Martlet was rememberred as a hero for trying to stop them.

* i did it... i saved the 5 missing humans.

If this is the only way to survive...so I won't reset. I think Clover doesn't feel anything anymore...no guilt, no pride...but even so, I think there is no need to reset. We need to stay and take the souls to their relatives. We have to be strong. I'm sorry, Clover...

"Do you feel like a hero yet?"

Accomplished my mission yet was all that worth doing?…

It will be bad if this concept was in original game

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i like to think post-genocide route the souls and clover just go get therapy for what they had to go through and what they did to those monsters like imagine the trauma of dying in a foreign place, being rescued against all odds, and then being traumatized even more when you peek into your savior's mind and see all the horrible stuff they did to save you

Holy crap this song hits hard... I imagine it makes Clover think if it was worth it, all the pain caused for "letting justice be done"...

* The edge of the Mountain looms over you. * You won... and yet... Why am I still here? * I should be giving them to. . . Who are their families? * . . . Why won't they talk to me? . . . I did the Right thing... Right? This is. . . Justice. * . . . . . . . But nothing came of it.

The humans sealed away the monsters after the war, because justice forbade them to eradicate the enemy. But when the children fell... Who was it that spilled first blood..? The monsters.

This is perfect for the end of 2024

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