I'm so glad we're getting some of the classic rack stuff in pedal form. I really never thought I'd see it, at least in an affordable product. I love this stuff.
I am a major fan of the man from Ireland who is known for delay and a good few years back I bought the Korg SDD3000 pedal version and I love it. As a bed room player I get a lot of joy and many hours of fun from it as well as setting in a non edge fashion. I think anyone who decides to buy this and they are a fan boy like me will get plenty of enjoyment from it. Regardless of what the difference are between it and the original rack mounted unit
Hello. I have a tc 2290 with controller 0144. Last year I got a timeline. It seemed quite similar to me although there are big differences in this case I felt the same with tc 2290p in this video. The original tc2290 does not sound compressed, it sounds very spacious and very clear. In addition to having other benefits. There are comments here that explain it technically better than I can. But I am glad that there is a new generation of the legendary.
It's pretty amazing to me that the TC 2290 sound as good to me as the original. I love how there is so many small pedals out now which might help you have more room on your pedal board if you want one and the TC 2290 is pretty small for a multi effects pedal. It's even smaller than my Boss ME-25. My Boss ME-25's battery compartment is broken ahahah, but it still works perfectly with a power cable plugged into it and I don't feel like I would ever take it off my pedal board anyways because it's stuck on there very strongly. On my pedal board with the current cables I use with it, I have all my pedals spaced out enough so I can easily unplug cables and plug in cables if I wanted to plus I put a power bar on the side of it with strong sticking velcro that came with the pedal board, but the only way I can fit it in the bag is if the power cables are unplugged from the power bar. Once it fits in the bag it doesn't fit so tight that I feel like it's going to brake the zipper if I close it which is nice.
At the end of the day the digital domain is all math and can be accurately reproduced as far as semiconductors and code that runs the device. The difference is the quality of the D/A-A/D converters on the input and the output. Depending on how they do this it could be basically exactly the same. He suggested that the preamp before the A/D on the front end might be slightly different than the original. It could even sound better?
Ducked delay or reverb was not invented by TC! It was a studio engineering trick that was developed in the studio by side chaining a compressor. TC merely copied an already known effect signal path and brought it to a wider user base
@@gregmize01 I'm perfectly 'calm', thank you. And I'm also fully aware that they were the first to put the signal chain in an easy to use 'package form'. I'm just astounded sometimes by how wrong Lee Anderton gets it on a regular basis, or how guests like the TC rep were too lazy to correct his error. I even noticed this when he was attempting to 'educate' newbies staring out. Now there's a proper 'LOL' for you...
The analog circuitry in the original 2290 makes a big difference. Panning happens on analog signal, post D/A conversion, modulating voltage of two VCAs. Ducking too! Feedback is analog! Filters in the feedback are analog. Conversion at 1 MHz is a whole different thing. Maybe on a direct input guitar you can be fooled but running things on true line levels is a different story. The real voltages in the TC2290 make a huge difference.
It was a bit slicer so it's not 1MHz in the normal sense. It was also pretty lossy, I used to switch between direct and TC and you notice the signal degredation clearly.
I still regret selling my 2290 and that was almost 20 years ago....live the desktop plugin but something about the OG was just amazing...it had presence!
I remember one song comin from Toto’s album “Kingdom Of Desire”, called “Gipsy Train” (first track of the LP), in while Steve Lukather (at that time literally in love with the 2290!) for the final solo used the Ducking Delays in a fu**in creative way, in order to brings more drama to his solo! Go check it out!
It's not an emulation; it's an improved and different form factor (packaging)version. Unlike a digital version of an analog device, the original was digital to begin with. Kudos to TC!
I’ve got the Nova delay, it’s a great pedal but it heats up so can’t leave plugged. Might be a good time to upgrade. Why they discontinued the Nova I’ll never understand that move.
I was waiting for him to answer the question: Ducking Delay The effect echoes the primary note and softly "ducks" the echo behind the initial signal, providing a clear delay. When playing halts, the echo swells before receding...
How does the 2290P compare with the Free The Tone Flight Time? Thinking about tone colouring. I did have a rack 2290, and what I really miss now is that it never coloured the dry tone at all. The 2290P did sound brighter here. Any idea if the Flight Time retains the guitars tone?
I did guess correctly, 😊based on the smoother pan the pedal has vs the rack unit. The rack is doing its level best, but it’s a little more like a juttery ping pong than the smooth pan the pedal does 🙂
Once you spend time with the og units, you can relate the differences much more precise. It’s never in the places you listen for with the straight sound of the guitar. The unique presentation of the effect is a dynamic shape not a 2 dimensional rise and fall of EQ. Basically. It comes down to the relationship of TONE and TIMBRE
Interesting choice by TC to bring an original. In the intro playing, even over youtube, one of them sounded considerably better to me. I had somewhat expected to be pleasantly surprised hearing them side by side (such comparisons did a lot for me for the UA amp sim stuff) but here unfortunately it's the opposite. Pretty bummed by this new product, a lot of us want a 2290 but at this point it's not just the expense it's the inconvenience and the age of the originals. Maybe someone else will make a better effort.
I agree with the vast majority that the pedal sounds better than the original rack. You have to be a real purist to deny that fact and take off the nostalgic goggles to be unblind yourself. Thanks for the revealing comparison!
I had a dream last night that captain Lee finally did his own collaboration with tone city pedals making his own pedals one called the football boot a fulltone plimsolls clone and the other a harmonic tremolo pedal but the name didn’t come to me in my dream I wonder what Captain Lee thinks about that
No way! At all!!!! I thought first sound (the 2 one) might be the pedal, instead NOT! Damn, has passed too much time from the last time I had an original 2290, back in 1994…😢
And this is why providence chronos dly 4 is better… simple… add even an analogue MXR carbon copy delay set as an ‘oil can,’ with modulation in front and / or a CinchFX+ as a warm preamp before both… and out of the chronos into a stereo digital delay to knob twiddle shimmer et al delay = job done, delay stacking done… I use a Boss CH1 in front on my MXR CC delay faking as a flange for extra wobble 😜
This guy wasn't going to dial in U2 unless the Captin held a gun to his head lol. I need a new delay and there's no Nova's anywhere, so it's either this or the strymon timeline.. hmmm.
Over a certain sample rate, there's nothing that distinguishes one delay from another. It's just delay. (features maybe) otherwidlse its like comparing pebbles on a beach.
That's simply not true- and I know from experience, I'm not guessing. Delays don't just delay the signal and repeat it- they also color the tone- and some do so quite drastically.
@@mimetype You don't "rely" on a delay to color your tone- you rely on it to delay the signal- but they had to do something to distinguish one delay from the next. The same way they started adding preamps to things like choruses- it's an attempt to distinguish their pedal from all the rest.
Really, neither of them sound any different to a couple of budget pedals. Fine, if you have a few grand to waste, and a bizarre toy fetish then go ahead. But the music fans, if you have any, won't care.
The initial transient is clearly a different sound. Has the og unit been recapped? Is it performing to original factory spec? If 'yes', then they've no business calling this new pedal a 2290. Bye-bye smooth slaps and repeats, hello "plink-plink".
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3.000 years of talk .. No play at all ... the promo will also promote the product obviously. Totaly useless video And nothing like imitation simulations can compares the original ofc not even close...
I'm so glad we're getting some of the classic rack stuff in pedal form. I really never thought I'd see it, at least in an affordable product. I love this stuff.
A thirty day delay would be good, you could play a gig a month in advance.
finally a new idea
Pffft? 30 years delay would be better. 😊
😂😂😂😂😂
😅😅😅
Underrated comment.
Smartest thing Andertons Music Co has ever done is get the expert to demonstrate the gear. More YT channels need to do this!
Waiting for the spatial expander 😁
I am a major fan of the man from Ireland who is known for delay and a good few years back I bought the Korg SDD3000 pedal version and I love it. As a bed room player I get a lot of joy and many hours of fun from it as well as setting in a non edge fashion. I think anyone who decides to buy this and they are a fan boy like me will get plenty of enjoyment from it. Regardless of what the difference are between it and the original rack mounted unit
What a great demo of a pedal! This guy realy know the tricks and want to share it to us. Great sounds.
Phil Tufnell has really improved his playing since the last time I saw him.
Great delay love the 2290 just to much to fiddle with for me. Still rocking the Tc flashback 2.
Hello. I have a tc 2290 with controller 0144. Last year I got a timeline. It seemed quite similar to me although there are big differences in this case I felt the same with tc 2290p in this video. The original tc2290 does not sound compressed, it sounds very spacious and very clear. In addition to having other benefits.
There are comments here that explain it technically better than I can.
But I am glad that there is a new generation of the legendary.
So what do you mean? What was similar to what?
It's pretty amazing to me that the TC 2290 sound as good to me as the original. I love how there is so many small pedals out now which might help you have more room on your pedal board if you want one and the TC 2290 is pretty small for a multi effects pedal. It's even smaller than my Boss ME-25. My Boss ME-25's battery compartment is broken ahahah, but it still works perfectly with a power cable plugged into it and I don't feel like I would ever take it off my pedal board anyways because it's stuck on there very strongly. On my pedal board with the current cables I use with it, I have all my pedals spaced out enough so I can easily unplug cables and plug in cables if I wanted to plus I put a power bar on the side of it with strong sticking velcro that came with the pedal board, but the only way I can fit it in the bag is if the power cables are unplugged from the power bar. Once it fits in the bag it doesn't fit so tight that I feel like it's going to brake the zipper if I close it which is nice.
Don't you just hate it when you get so excited that you break your zipper when you try to close it? 🙀
At the end of the day the digital domain is all math and can be accurately reproduced as far as semiconductors and code that runs the device. The difference is the quality of the D/A-A/D converters on the input and the output. Depending on how they do this it could be basically exactly the same. He suggested that the preamp before the A/D on the front end might be slightly different than the original. It could even sound better?
Having had a rack TC2290 I can say it is difficult to use bear in mind you had a manual that was quite thick, no YT and very few people had them.
The interface was SO WEIRD... and so awesome in all its click-clack-glory 😎
Pete would have a ball with this, and it would sound magic. Let him do a RUclips with it
The drivel in this comment section is unreal- a world full of experts, who haven't the slightest clue- that's the Anderton fanbase apparently.
Ducked delay or reverb was not invented by TC!
It was a studio engineering trick that was developed in the studio by side chaining a compressor.
TC merely copied an already known effect signal path and brought it to a wider user base
Correct!
They were the first to put it a packaged form, lol. Settle down.
Nobody said it was.......
@@gregmize01 I'm perfectly 'calm', thank you.
And I'm also fully aware that they were the first to put the signal chain in an easy to use 'package form'.
I'm just astounded sometimes by how wrong Lee Anderton gets it on a regular basis, or how guests like the TC rep were too lazy to correct his error.
I even noticed this when he was attempting to 'educate' newbies staring out.
Now there's a proper 'LOL' for you...
The analog circuitry in the original 2290 makes a big difference. Panning happens on analog signal, post D/A conversion, modulating voltage of two VCAs. Ducking too! Feedback is analog! Filters in the feedback are analog. Conversion at 1 MHz is a whole different thing. Maybe on a direct input guitar you can be fooled but running things on true line levels is a different story. The real voltages in the TC2290 make a huge difference.
It was a bit slicer so it's not 1MHz in the normal sense. It was also pretty lossy, I used to switch between direct and TC and you notice the signal degredation clearly.
Was waiting for this Video. Lots of "scientists" on the interweb knocking the new offering. I say its amazing!!
I still regret selling my 2290 and that was almost 20 years ago....live the desktop plugin but something about the OG was just amazing...it had presence!
I love the sound of this delay! Its so good!
What distinguishes it from others?
@@mimetype The sound
Which facets of the sound would that be?
@@mimetype the modulation is the main thing but love the stereo ping pong too.
@@MarkPritchardGuitar I love my distortion for its chorus, if you see what I mean.
I remember one song comin from Toto’s album “Kingdom Of Desire”, called “Gipsy Train” (first track of the LP), in while Steve Lukather (at that time literally in love with the 2290!) for the final solo used the Ducking Delays in a fu**in creative way, in order to brings more drama to his solo! Go check it out!
They should normalise putting balanced/XLR outs/ins on highend pedals like these imo. Makes stuff easier in studio.
It's not an emulation; it's an improved and different form factor (packaging)version. Unlike a digital version of an analog device, the original was digital to begin with. Kudos to TC!
I remember having a 2290 around 2008 that was amazing and it was only about the size of 1 larger pedal
You’re thinking of the Nova Delay I think. That was made to get the 2290 type sound but I don’t think it was quite there.
2290 pedal wasn't around back then. Didn't come out till later.
I’ve got the Nova delay, it’s a great pedal but it heats up so can’t leave plugged. Might be a good time to upgrade. Why they discontinued the Nova I’ll never understand that move.
I was waiting for him to answer the question:
Ducking Delay
The effect echoes the primary note and softly "ducks" the echo behind the initial signal, providing a clear delay. When playing halts, the echo swells before receding...
How does the 2290P compare with the Free The Tone Flight Time? Thinking about tone colouring. I did have a rack 2290, and what I really miss now is that it never coloured the dry tone at all. The 2290P did sound brighter here. Any idea if the Flight Time retains the guitars tone?
Went from 23:36 to 23:45 and the "invert" button was turned on, but they didn't talk about it. Weird editing I guess?
Happy new year everyone! Does the dry signal remain analog (analog dry throught) or AD/DA?
I did guess correctly, 😊based on the smoother pan the pedal has vs the rack unit. The rack is doing its level best, but it’s a little more like a juttery ping pong than the smooth pan the pedal does 🙂
Awesome - I love my 2290 plugin. Can you do the DVR 250 reverb next? 😆
This is def a great sounding delay, but for me, not a huge fan of the interface.. Give me 6 knobs and a tap switch any day.. Looks cool tho.
So, if you can only buy one, this 2290 P or the SDE-3000EVH, or H90?
Once you spend time with the og units, you can relate the differences much more precise. It’s never in the places you listen for with the straight sound of the guitar. The unique presentation of the effect is a dynamic shape not a 2 dimensional rise and fall of EQ.
Basically. It comes down to the relationship of TONE and TIMBRE
Pete looks different!
lol I get it!! was thinking Pete Thorn as well when i first saw the hair flow etc. lol
😂😂😂😂😂
Futur factory free the tone or tc 2290P??
…it’s not exactly the same sound, in the FTT sound too much pristine and rrreaallly digital…❤
Interesting choice by TC to bring an original. In the intro playing, even over youtube, one of them sounded considerably better to me. I had somewhat expected to be pleasantly surprised hearing them side by side (such comparisons did a lot for me for the UA amp sim stuff) but here unfortunately it's the opposite. Pretty bummed by this new product, a lot of us want a 2290 but at this point it's not just the expense it's the inconvenience and the age of the originals. Maybe someone else will make a better effort.
Agree, the way the transient sounds makes for a completely different slap, and very different repeats.
Damn it, just when I thought I had my pedalboard "locked in" and sorted. :)
I had the exact same problem…solved buying it…😂😂😂
I agree with the vast majority that the pedal sounds better than the original rack. You have to be a real purist to deny that fact and take off the nostalgic goggles to be unblind yourself. Thanks for the revealing comparison!
I don't see how you figure the vast majority likes the pedal. Looks pretty split to me.
I had a dream last night that captain Lee finally did his own collaboration with tone city pedals making his own pedals one called the football boot a fulltone plimsolls clone and the other a harmonic tremolo pedal but the name didn’t come to me in my dream I wonder what Captain Lee thinks about that
Is that strat the vintage ii?
No way! At all!!!! I thought first sound (the 2 one) might be the pedal, instead NOT! Damn, has passed too much time from the last time I had an original 2290, back in 1994…😢
Impresse delay unit. Already a highlight of the new year, right
Guys, btw... It's january 2nd and there hasn't been a single Klon clone shoot out yet! What gives!?
👏👏👏👏👏👏😂
I have an original klon clone, I feel.sorry for the clon clone clone clone clone users.
And this is why providence chronos dly 4 is better… simple… add even an analogue MXR carbon copy delay set as an ‘oil can,’ with modulation in front and / or a CinchFX+ as a warm preamp before both… and out of the chronos
into a stereo digital delay to knob twiddle shimmer et al delay = job done, delay stacking done… I use a Boss CH1 in front on my MXR CC delay faking as a flange for extra wobble 😜
Uhhh that strat tones 😮💨
Capn: it’s hard to tell, that last 1 or 2 percent. TC: its exact cuz we made it that way. 😂
Fascinating, I really enjoyed this
This guy wasn't going to dial in U2 unless the Captin held a gun to his head lol. I need a new delay and there's no Nova's anywhere, so it's either this or the strymon timeline.. hmmm.
I think i will stick to my tc electronice nova delay pedal, LOL
no 1 the best for me.
So the most amazing thing on the original you don’t get in the new one, the analog part. Thanks!
Yeah, me too! So, I bought it…😅
sounds the same on my plethora X 5
Over a certain sample rate, there's nothing that distinguishes one delay from another. It's just delay. (features maybe) otherwidlse its like comparing pebbles on a beach.
but no two pebbles are alike
Test that hpothesis with an in-depth analysis and post the results.
That's simply not true- and I know from experience, I'm not guessing. Delays don't just delay the signal and repeat it- they also color the tone- and some do so quite drastically.
@@stoneysdead689 Well why are they called delays then? If you want something to colour your sound why would you rely on a delay to do it?
@@mimetype You don't "rely" on a delay to color your tone- you rely on it to delay the signal- but they had to do something to distinguish one delay from the next. The same way they started adding preamps to things like choruses- it's an attempt to distinguish their pedal from all the rest.
It is extremely good, the pedal, but the rack is so much moore.
For the algo.
Really, neither of them sound any different to a couple of budget pedals. Fine, if you have a few grand to waste, and a bizarre toy fetish then go ahead. But the music fans, if you have any, won't care.
The initial transient is clearly a different sound.
Has the og unit been recapped? Is it performing to original factory spec?
If 'yes', then they've no business calling this new pedal a 2290. Bye-bye smooth slaps and repeats, hello "plink-plink".
Amazing new video of the year i love uk And england i love songs like new hope club love again happy new year 🎉🎉🎉andertons music tv my name is mahdi and im 22 years old and i watch your videos every day i hope this 2024 my dreams it comes true to play guitar with you its my dream i hope make my dreams it comes true 😊😊😊i hope this 2024 be your friend its my dream 🌞⭐⭐🏴🏴🎸🎸🎸⭐🌟🌟⭐⭐🎸🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🌞🌞🌟🌞⭐🏴🏴🏴🎸🎸Im a guitarist and i love pop Uk music 🎉🎉🎉
Rack had more depth to the sound to me.
3.000 years of talk .. No play at all ...
the promo will also promote the product obviously.
Totaly useless video
And nothing like imitation simulations can compares the original ofc not even close...
Both sound absolutely awful. Lol
Sure. That's why 2290 was used by everybody, everywhere, all the time.
You haven't lived, dude!!!
get your ears checked fool
couldn't hear the difference.