Fighting The Rwanda Bill + Mr Kumar Goes To Westminster | Pod Save The Uk
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- With the Government’s controversial Rwanda Bill currently stuck between the Commons and the Lords, this timely special episode focuses on the UK’s asylum policy. Nish takes up an invitation to speak about the issue at the House of Lords. The event has been organised by the All Party Parliamentary Group on Refugees, in conjunction with the makers of a new film called Io Capitano - which follows the perilous migration journey of two young boys travelling from Senegal to Europe in search of a better life.
Nish joins Labour peer Lord Dubs, the co-chair of the APPG on Refugees, in his office afterwards to hear how he and his colleagues are “digging their heels in” to try and amend the Rwanda Bill. Lord Dubs tells Nish what he learnt from a recent trip to Calais to meet asylum seekers first-hand. They also discuss what a more humane asylum system might look like and whether the next Labour government can deliver it. Back in the studio, Nish and Coco discuss the extent to which arts and culture can have the power to bring about change.
With special thanks to Altitude Films and Think-Film Impact Production.
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Guest:
Lord Dubs, Labour peer and co-chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Refugees
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Lord Dubs is a diamond geezer. My reservations about the Lords aside, he is what the best of British (and Czech!) can be
You know what? I'm not the biggest fan of the House of Lords but them doing things like stopping the Rwanda Bill proves that they can at least do SOME good.
Public servants like Lord Dubs continue to give me hope, what a good egg. Excellent interview Nish xx
Years ago comedian Craig Ferguson did an interview in the US with Bishop Tutu. For that he was awarded the Peabody Award. I would say that Nish's interview with Lord Dubs was on par.
Well done, Nish. This Canadian is very proud of you.
Lovely to see Alf Dubs. He was MP for Battersea and very good for the constituency. His views on immigration contain the kind a compassion that is lacking in most other politicians who seem to regard the issues as ones they can treat with cruelty and hostility to gain the votes of people who are ignorant and whom they see no need to challenge and educate. So refreshing to know that people like Lord Dubs are in the world.
You've one of the great jobs, interviewing Lord Dubs, I'd love to talk to him. He's had an amazing life.
It's too bad that more members of the House of Lords aren't like him.
I love an early video out on a Thursday! 💖
Great work Nish, i hope it makes a difference
I know this is an American prejudice, but when I contrast Lord Dubs with Marjorie Taylor Greene, I hang my head in shame.
Nish looking spiffy~
For once, Coco is getting back at Nish for his regular (of course friendly) jabs at her and I'm here for it! Get him, Coco!
The premise of this movie reminds me of a movie I saw in school called El Norte, a dramatization of a sister and brother traveling through South America to North America that via Mexico. It's been a while since I saw it but it stayed with me.
Alf is so interesting to listen to. I also can't help thinking Lord Dubs would be a good DJ name 😂
Beat me to it 😁 S'puny 😂
At first I was thinking it was short for a long surname beginning with "W". (George H W Bush's nickname is "W")
@@brendag2891 He should do a sponsored walk and call it Dubstep
@@marknugent9851 Dubstep, lol!
Dear Pod Save The UK, please look into whether a think tank is advising the Tories on the Rwanda Bill, considering the possibility an ulterior motive is at play, such as chipping away at international recognition of human rights.
you will probably never see it that way, but i am sure that Westminster was honoured to have you! i would have loved to hear your speech.
That’s right. Only some of your parliamentary proceedings are televised, no? As an American, this is a bit confusing for me. It’s a basic right for citizens to see our Congressional hearings. Even if no one watches them…
Wow he can dress up lol😂
I have written to my MP, Derek Thomas, whose response was to email that of course there's no evidence the Rwanda Bill won't deter illegal crossings, because it hasn't been tried yet. How do I rebut that logical fallacy?
It's so reassuring to know people with values like Lord Dubs' are in positions where they are able to make a difference. Makes me hopeful for the future. As an aside, I cannot hear Nish say his name and not think about the iconic, genre-defining group, n-dubz. Na Na Nai!!
Lord Dubs is quite a gentleman. I'm so used to thinking of lords as rubber stamp-y old geezers out of touch with the common people, and Lord Dubs definitely shows that's not universally true. Good on him.
Alf Dubs was my introduction to politics, as he was my MP while I was growing up in the 1970s - a man so highly respected in the community that, when a mural was painted at the end of my street called "Battersea In Perspective" in 1989, showing everything that was good about Battersea, he was included on it - and it's still there to this day.
And he wasn't alone in being a political trailblazer, for the mural also depicts the UK's first black Council Leader, and the country's first Indian heritage MP - Alf's in good company
Well, that took a very strange turn right at the last moment. Thanks, Coco!
Brilliant episode, beautifully executed👏👏👏
Alf ❤
So fun to watch as an American who has lived in the UK.
Hi!
Hi!
He is a true humanitarian
🏆Nice one Nish 💞
How are you pronouncing "Il Capitano?" ^^'... Isle Capitano?
British Anglicisms slipping in when pronouncing Romance languages is definitely a thing. I honestly don’t get some of the changes in pronunciation.
@@AKCFTW Riot, ion, lion, bio, biology, biography, Orion, scion, Dion, Briony, Briony, Niobe...
The answers are there, if you can be bothered to look, but I suppose that takes effort and an interest in truth rather than just a smug sense of superiority.
@@EdwardLindon There’s no sense of superiority here, my friend. Apologies if that’s what you picked up on. I just find it interesting. And as a practical matter, it only makes sense that North Americans would pronounce some foreign words closer to the original pronunciation. The majority of their population is made up of immigrants.
Stopping dangerous illegal boat crossings on the basis of protecting those people is completely legitimate. Those trips are dangerous for a number of reasons.
If you're reaching a point where you can cross the channel from France by boat, why is it they can't apply for asylum legally without making a dangerous trip? Is France a danger too? Furthermore how is a Lord promoting law breaking while painting further restriction of that act as "nonsense"?
You have to be in the UK to claim asylum here. That's why people say there should be "safe and legal routes" so they don't have to make dangerous journeys. Criminalising people who come on a small boat and threatening to send them to Rwanda, (claiming that it's a safe country for refugees and the sky is green) is not protecting those people and will not stop the crossings. If the government really wanted to stop the boats to protect refugees, they should create safe and legal routes into the country, more efficient processing of claims and removing anyone who doesn't have a valid claim, along with working with authorities in France to target the people trafficking gangs.
@@Aranel_Alasse Correct - hence why the Rwanda bill focuses on dangerous illegal crossings. They are criminals. Instead of going through legal routes, they flout rules where they have no respect for legal processes.
Rerouting them to Rwanda would at the very least slow boat crossings, to suggest otherwise really is nonsense as it is expensive for them.
There are legal routes and the ECHR overrides national framework where we could consider a claim invalid. That's the point of the Rwanda bill and overriding the courts.
@@RSAnimism The current processes for legal routes only cover a handful of nationalities and are therefore insufficient and ineffective. The ECHR does not stop countries from rejecting invalid claims. It says that you can't return people to their home country or a third country where they would be at risk of torture or death, e.g. they have a valid asylum claim. Since Brexit, we can no longer send refugees to other EU countries. Pulling out of ECHR would put all of our human rights at risk, not just those of refugees. The Rwanda bill has already cost the UK taxpayer millions and it will cost millions more just to send 300 people to an unsafe country. There are much more cost effective alternatives available. The government making a bill to override the courts and legislate against reality sets a dangerous precedent and we should be extremely worried if it is passed. Nobody is claiming that small boat crossings are a good thing. Those who oppose the Rwanda bill simply see that it won't help matters and there are far better options available to tackle the problem.
@@Aranel_Alasse Legal routes exist for all countries.
The ECHR can dictate what is a "valid" asylum claim, which is against individual countries interests and is what the supreme courts use. It's a lot more than just "torture or death".
Pulling out of the ECHR would not do that, we would replace most of them with our own bill.
Rwanda bill is aiming to send a lot more than 300 people, it would be sending nearly all illegal migrants. Ultimately sending them to Rwanda is cheaper, and safer for us.
Finally, Rwanda is safer than the countries they are escaping from. As are all the countries they pass through to specifically want the UK due to our generous socialist healthcare and benefits system. Taking as many illegal migrants and accepting them at the current pace will bankrupt us, no question.
@@RSAnimism You seem to have missed the bit where they clearly stated that the UK has accepted refugees *from* Rwanda. So it's clearly not a country that vulnerable people should be forcibly relocated to.