A note: This video/ my little 'rant' about Lysandre is a lot of exxageration for funny points. If you like Lysandre, or Team Flare, I respect you and your love for them! I just think the execution of Lysandre as a character and Team Flare's plans miss the mark in a really funny way. Thank you
I was going to point out that the ultimate weapon also knocked over a few houses, but then I looked closer and it turns out those were already knocked over when it came out of the ground, the laser didn't affect them at all. Anyway... "Let us live forever... That's right! I shall grant you eternal life! I'll give you the pain of endlessly waiting for a beautiful world to finally be built!" ~Lysandre in X "The ultimate weapon is a flower that bloomed to no avail... Just like me... But this ends here! I will show what its remaining power can do!" ~Lysandre in Y I'm not sure which is better, Lysandre threatening you with immortality or Lysandre looking at the weapon and going "It just like me fr"
Real talk: I agree with you on Kalos. It's got this amazing thing that a lot of games either shy away from or don't really put a lot of thought in, called 'Environmental Storytelling'. Consider Anistar City. It's big selling point is that gigantic, 'fuck you' lookin' crystal structure that the townsfolk call a 'sundial'. And yes, it clearly can be used as such, but it makes you ask a million questions; 'where did it come from?', 'is it safe?', 'what is it made out of?', and most importantly 'are the claims about it coming from space true?'. Also, to add onto Lysandre's issue... His name. His fucking name. It shouldn't even be pronounced as 'lie-SAND-urr'. Kalos is based on French. Thus, a proper pronunciation using french as a base would be 'liss-AHND'. AND IT BOTHERS THE FUCK OUTTA ME!!!! Worse yet, Lysandre's ace Pokemon? IT ISN'T EVEN A FIRE-TYPE! IT'S A FUCKING *GYARADOS!!!!*
hes so hilarious as a concept he spends the whole thing like ughh.. im so cool and awesome and ugh fashionable.. then cries and dies cause the world wasnt as cool as him or whatever
Watching my sister replay this game, it _almost_ has some interesting theming about people who give vs people who take, but Lysandre's plan is still just kinda dumb at best. Lysandre's given reason for the world not being beautiful enough boils down to the existence of greed and conflict. He explains at one point that he used to practice a lot of charity, but grew disillusioned with the worst of people taking advantage of any kindness thrown their way (and other npcs who knew him corraborate this background and slow fall to misanthropy). The only solution he can see to end all conflict is to end nearly all life - not enough people left to fight over resources. As for the crying, he seems to exclusively place the blame of conflict on humans, not Pokemon, but doesn't see any other way to wipe out humans that won't take Pokemon with them. He also seems to look at training as exclusively one-sided, with the human taking advantage of the Pokemon. And the game _almost_ ties it together and makes it believable by acknowledging his hypocrisy: a lot of Team Flare is, ironically, made up of people who outright tell you they take what they want - the very kind of people Lysandre is disgusted with. As for his weird dichotomy of giving or taking, the friendly rivals call out Lysandre's Mega ring, which definitionally wouldn't work if he and his Pokemon weren't working _together_ in battle, so... the moral is sharing and working together, everybody! (There's even this repeated bit of flavor throughout the entire game where you're repeatedly given the option to tip NPCs for service or information. It's completely optional, but it kinda lets you enact this idea of sharing - of giving and taking as opposed to just taking.) All of that said... there's not really a good explanation for Lysandre choosing mass murder as his only solution. Besides just writing him off as crazy and stupid, but his attitude seems too...smart? Reasonable? Not bombastic enough? the rest of the time for him to come off as truly crazy either. Compared to your calculating Giovanni's, your crazy Lusamine's, and your pure evil Ghetsis's, Lysandre just kinda comes off as a dumb emo. (Not to mention that comparing him to Cyrus makes him sound like he asked to copy Cyrus's homework but was asked to change it up a bit so it didn't look copied.)
Actually what would've been a really interesting idea for kalos since the theming is all about beauty would be an anarchy group- like team flare thinks kalos isn't beautiful for some reason? Yes it is? It'd be way more interesting if the team was about the ugly side of the beauty, like they don't like how it was attained like class divide or worker exploitation idk
fashionably late and random but MuchingOrange mention ‼‼‼I grew up watching his Pokemon videos funny enough but yeah, Lysandre is absolutely insane??? I also would rather dig my own grave than live on the same planet as him for eternity !
This is kinda similar to my own thoughts on Team Aqua and Team Magma, who I will admit has more coherence than Lysandre mission wise, but probably just as much forethought execution wise. While Team Flare mostly bumbled around with a weird ideology that didn't even really make a whole lot of sense, Team Aqua and Magma had a legit goal and reasons behind it, and yet they never once bothered to think about the ramifications of their goal. Withholding silly things like Team Magma stealing a submarine in Ruby, or Team Aqua stealing a volcanic meteorite in Sapphire, the teams both operated as if they never expected to get as far as they did. Lysander may be a weird emo wolverine looking man with strange ideas about beauty, but Maxie and Archie BOTH had no idea what color coordination is. They then get extremely confused when the legendary pokemon they tried to wake up incorrectly is angry that it was woken up incorrectly. EVEN WORSE THAN THAT, when the pokemon is actually doing what they want, they learn that it's doing it TOO much, and now they are panicking en masse and need our help to fix their stupid mistakes. And you know what? Lysandre may have whined and killed himself like a manbaby, but at least he stayed true to his goal. Archie and Maxie just gave up immediately AND DIDN'T EVEN GET IN TROUBLE FOR IT. Not a single mention of them being arrested, or fined, or ANYTHING for damn near causing cataclysmic climate change. This is why I support my man Cyrus. Dude may be a 25 year old man with the mental age of a withered tree, but he had a goal, plans to execute said goal, solid leadership and accepted his fate without abandoning his mission. Mad respect.
the bugs ARE his keystone?! kinda cool but definitely not elaborated on enough in-game... would've been nice to have an animation of them activating along with the mega evo in battle!! but i truly mean no disrespect to team flare fans honestly you are god's strongest soldiers
I like Team Flare because they were all rich, bumbling idiots who fight because they legit think Lysandre's insane ass plan is the way to go despite the fact that they were so far from his "beautiful" standard it was laughable. Almost like Lysandre couldn't get anyone but corrupt rich folk to join his cause, very telling. Plus they were the antithesis to Team Rocket; stupid, dysfunctional, nerds, obsessed with order, Lysandre just happened to be a few fries short of a happy meal and I think if that wasn't the case Team Flare would have been a much stronger evil team narrative wise.
I never understood how destroying the world would make it beautiful. If anything wouldn't the ultimate weapon bring ruin to the world? I feel like they should have tried to do something regarding mega evolution rather being a bootleg Team Galactic.
in his defense, and i can't believe i'm saying that, he believes the world is beautiful and it will eventually become not-beautiful so he wants to destroy the world in Y before it becomes ugly. or freeze it as it is in X with eternal life. however it does not do much to help his case because its still dumb!!!
Playing Pokemon X after Pokemon Black, I always appreciated that after going uber serious themes with Team Plasma, Team Flare was a return to the style of Team Rocket where they're just goofs behind it all, I didn't like the direction Black and White went in so ehh, I like these guys.
A note: This video/ my little 'rant' about Lysandre is a lot of exxageration for funny points. If you like Lysandre, or Team Flare, I respect you and your love for them! I just think the execution of Lysandre as a character and Team Flare's plans miss the mark in a really funny way. Thank you
I was going to point out that the ultimate weapon also knocked over a few houses, but then I looked closer and it turns out those were already knocked over when it came out of the ground, the laser didn't affect them at all. Anyway...
"Let us live forever... That's right! I shall grant you eternal life! I'll give you the pain of endlessly waiting for a beautiful world to finally be built!" ~Lysandre in X
"The ultimate weapon is a flower that bloomed to no avail... Just like me... But this ends here! I will show what its remaining power can do!" ~Lysandre in Y
I'm not sure which is better, Lysandre threatening you with immortality or Lysandre looking at the weapon and going "It just like me fr"
The cartoon sound effects completely destroy the minute amount of tension in that cutscene XDDDD
Real talk:
I agree with you on Kalos. It's got this amazing thing that a lot of games either shy away from or don't really put a lot of thought in, called 'Environmental Storytelling'. Consider Anistar City. It's big selling point is that gigantic, 'fuck you' lookin' crystal structure that the townsfolk call a 'sundial'. And yes, it clearly can be used as such, but it makes you ask a million questions; 'where did it come from?', 'is it safe?', 'what is it made out of?', and most importantly 'are the claims about it coming from space true?'.
Also, to add onto Lysandre's issue... His name. His fucking name. It shouldn't even be pronounced as 'lie-SAND-urr'. Kalos is based on French. Thus, a proper pronunciation using french as a base would be 'liss-AHND'. AND IT BOTHERS THE FUCK OUTTA ME!!!!
Worse yet, Lysandre's ace Pokemon? IT ISN'T EVEN A FIRE-TYPE! IT'S A FUCKING *GYARADOS!!!!*
hes so hilarious as a concept he spends the whole thing like ughh.. im so cool and awesome and ugh fashionable.. then cries and dies cause the world wasnt as cool as him or whatever
Watching my sister replay this game, it _almost_ has some interesting theming about people who give vs people who take, but Lysandre's plan is still just kinda dumb at best.
Lysandre's given reason for the world not being beautiful enough boils down to the existence of greed and conflict. He explains at one point that he used to practice a lot of charity, but grew disillusioned with the worst of people taking advantage of any kindness thrown their way (and other npcs who knew him corraborate this background and slow fall to misanthropy). The only solution he can see to end all conflict is to end nearly all life - not enough people left to fight over resources.
As for the crying, he seems to exclusively place the blame of conflict on humans, not Pokemon, but doesn't see any other way to wipe out humans that won't take Pokemon with them. He also seems to look at training as exclusively one-sided, with the human taking advantage of the Pokemon.
And the game _almost_ ties it together and makes it believable by acknowledging his hypocrisy: a lot of Team Flare is, ironically, made up of people who outright tell you they take what they want - the very kind of people Lysandre is disgusted with. As for his weird dichotomy of giving or taking, the friendly rivals call out Lysandre's Mega ring, which definitionally wouldn't work if he and his Pokemon weren't working _together_ in battle, so... the moral is sharing and working together, everybody!
(There's even this repeated bit of flavor throughout the entire game where you're repeatedly given the option to tip NPCs for service or information. It's completely optional, but it kinda lets you enact this idea of sharing - of giving and taking as opposed to just taking.)
All of that said... there's not really a good explanation for Lysandre choosing mass murder as his only solution. Besides just writing him off as crazy and stupid, but his attitude seems too...smart? Reasonable? Not bombastic enough? the rest of the time for him to come off as truly crazy either.
Compared to your calculating Giovanni's, your crazy Lusamine's, and your pure evil Ghetsis's, Lysandre just kinda comes off as a dumb emo. (Not to mention that comparing him to Cyrus makes him sound like he asked to copy Cyrus's homework but was asked to change it up a bit so it didn't look copied.)
Actually what would've been a really interesting idea for kalos since the theming is all about beauty would be an anarchy group- like team flare thinks kalos isn't beautiful for some reason? Yes it is? It'd be way more interesting if the team was about the ugly side of the beauty, like they don't like how it was attained like class divide or worker exploitation idk
they coulda been based trying to destroy the world to take down the upper class but instead they ARE the upper class... smh
3:06 presumably the fly thingies are to suck the energy out of whatever legendary he was using to power the ultimate weapon. i-i think?????
Lysanderoth! How could you!!
This is all so true but the way you explained it all was so funny. (the edited cutscenes had me especially laughing so badly.)
fashionably late and random but MuchingOrange mention ‼‼‼I grew up watching his Pokemon videos funny enough
but yeah, Lysandre is absolutely insane??? I also would rather dig my own grave than live on the same planet as him for eternity !
This is kinda similar to my own thoughts on Team Aqua and Team Magma, who I will admit has more coherence than Lysandre mission wise, but probably just as much forethought execution wise. While Team Flare mostly bumbled around with a weird ideology that didn't even really make a whole lot of sense, Team Aqua and Magma had a legit goal and reasons behind it, and yet they never once bothered to think about the ramifications of their goal. Withholding silly things like Team Magma stealing a submarine in Ruby, or Team Aqua stealing a volcanic meteorite in Sapphire, the teams both operated as if they never expected to get as far as they did.
Lysander may be a weird emo wolverine looking man with strange ideas about beauty, but Maxie and Archie BOTH had no idea what color coordination is. They then get extremely confused when the legendary pokemon they tried to wake up incorrectly is angry that it was woken up incorrectly. EVEN WORSE THAN THAT, when the pokemon is actually doing what they want, they learn that it's doing it TOO much, and now they are panicking en masse and need our help to fix their stupid mistakes. And you know what? Lysandre may have whined and killed himself like a manbaby, but at least he stayed true to his goal. Archie and Maxie just gave up immediately AND DIDN'T EVEN GET IN TROUBLE FOR IT. Not a single mention of them being arrested, or fined, or ANYTHING for damn near causing cataclysmic climate change.
This is why I support my man Cyrus. Dude may be a 25 year old man with the mental age of a withered tree, but he had a goal, plans to execute said goal, solid leadership and accepted his fate without abandoning his mission. Mad respect.
the bugs are his key stone i think? but yeah this guy's a total goof and that's why flare is my favorite. they're so funny
the bugs ARE his keystone?! kinda cool but definitely not elaborated on enough in-game... would've been nice to have an animation of them activating along with the mega evo in battle!! but i truly mean no disrespect to team flare fans honestly you are god's strongest soldiers
@@nekolacey might be confused with hc i have not played x in a hot minute
I like Team Flare because they were all rich, bumbling idiots who fight because they legit think Lysandre's insane ass plan is the way to go despite the fact that they were so far from his "beautiful" standard it was laughable. Almost like Lysandre couldn't get anyone but corrupt rich folk to join his cause, very telling. Plus they were the antithesis to Team Rocket; stupid, dysfunctional, nerds, obsessed with order,
Lysandre just happened to be a few fries short of a happy meal and I think if that wasn't the case Team Flare would have been a much stronger evil team narrative wise.
Can't believe Lysandre, Miror B and even Neko herself got infected by the Jerma virus and became psycho clones like him. ;(
Team Flare felt like diet Team Galactic. At least they dress better than Team Galactic
At least Lusamine's hybrid form give her Pokemon stat buffs
Mostly accurate
I never understood how destroying the world would make it beautiful. If anything wouldn't the ultimate weapon bring ruin to the world? I feel like they should have tried to do something regarding mega evolution rather being a bootleg Team Galactic.
in his defense, and i can't believe i'm saying that, he believes the world is beautiful and it will eventually become not-beautiful so he wants to destroy the world in Y before it becomes ugly. or freeze it as it is in X with eternal life. however it does not do much to help his case because its still dumb!!!
Team flare belongs behind bars
Yippee a video! You should make a video looking at fan made pokemon
Playing Pokemon X after Pokemon Black, I always appreciated that after going uber serious themes with Team Plasma, Team Flare was a return to the style of Team Rocket where they're just goofs behind it all, I didn't like the direction Black and White went in so ehh, I like these guys.