I actually think you can joke about everything - or rather; I haven’t encountered any jokes I’ve thought worthy of cancellation. Of course there are jokes that hit me personally right in the gut and heart. But so what. I my own life, the more difficult circumstances, the more important that I’m able to make jokes. When I can’t, then I’m in a REALLY bad shape. Dangerously so.
Personal responsibility. If you don't like a joke, don't listen to the person telling it. If you do, support that person. "Cancelling" is something every individual person has a say in. Sidenote: Why are you spelling "canceled" the American way? The British double L makes so much more sense.
It's beyond ridiculous that these laws are being passed in the first place. Why can't trans people be content with getting their own space? Why invade existing ones to the detriment of the cause they claim to support? Utter lunacy!
The other crucial difference between Gervais and Chapelle on one hand, and Rowling and Linehan on the other, is that the latter two spoke out much earlier, when it was much more dangerous to do so. By the time the other two started talking about these issues, the “gender critical” movement had already made significant strides towards turning the tide.
@@AndyJarman There’s a long way to go, but if you haven’t realised how different the landscape is now from what it was like when Linehan was first thrown to the wolves, you haven’t been paying attention. If Gervais had said some of the things he’s said recently then, he would have been slaughtered. The people who speak up first take the brunt of the damage, and make it easier for the people who speak up later.
Yes because she did nothing wrong. many of these dudes arent trans AT ALL. It's to live their fetish and much worse..... THAT is what we are all agaisnt.
Francis was a fabulous guest! I really enjoyed watching you two. I recently listened to the Podcast JK Rowling The Witch Trials. The woman who did it had been in some churchy cult that had protested against the Harry Potter books and burned them etc. She had wanted to tell both sides of Jo Rowlings cancellation because of the Transgender Activists. I learnt a lot about Joanne Rowlings who doesn’t even have a middle name. The book publishers made her publish as JK so it didn’t sound female as they thought kid’s preferred male writers. Besides the point I know. I highly recommend this podcast because the only two people from the TG community that would even come on the podcast after what was done to Jo Rowlings, really had no argument anyway. It makes me angry that the actors that really owe their careers to her turned on her and no more movies will be made for a series that was beyond popular. Thanks to the bullying of a minority group. Thanks so much to both of you for a fascinating interview. ❤
You'll possibly be pleased to know that a Harry Potter TV series is in the works. I think the Fantastic Beasts movies have stalled because they haven't been as successful as the Harry Potter ones. JK Rowling is too rich, too famous and too popular to be cancelled, but that doesn't mean that she isn't subjected to disgusting online abuse and defamatory remarks from people who should know better.
@@pollyparrot9447 Thanks Polly! I am pleased to know that! Yay 🙌🏻 I think the Fantastic Beasts stalled when they fired Johnny Depp and the now famous trial proved he was the victim of feminine toxicity (a new word from these podcasts 😂) I wonder if they’ll ever get going again? JD won’t do them or Pirates. Oh well, we have a TV series to look forward too. Hopefully a world that is uncensored as well 😀
ikr sometimes i want KK to give him some space to get his whole ideas out. sometimes i feel he gets talked down to... by guests and kk... i love them both tho
The difference between comedians Ricky Gervais and Dave Chappelle not being despised for their jokes and J. K. Rowling and Graham Linehan being vilified for their opinions is that jokes can be brushed aside as "Just a bit of inappropriate fun" while reasoned, strongly held opinions by respected individuals cannot be tolerated. Lacking any solid counterarguments, they must be "Cancelled"
I think you are right. Where does Ricky Gervais, for example, the comedian start and finish. If you can, watch the episode with "Mrs Merton" (Caroline Ahern), and Bernard Manning. He was a guest on the show and the point was to sort of make him out himself as a racist. At first the audience were laughing with him, despite his clearly racist humour. It wasn't until Caroline actually asked him outright, 'Bernard, are you a racist?" And he answered "Yes". The laughter stopped dead and the studio went quiet. You can see in his eyes he knew he'd dropped a massive bollock and his career, certainly TV wise was over. Perhaps that is the difference between the examples quoted in the podcast. No one has actually asked, and had answered a straight question of these peoples' own opinions and not just their act.
@@stetomlinson3146 watched the interview you mentioned, including his tirade at Richard Wilson. Interesting that someone apparently made famous for using insulting humour couldn’t handle Wilson’s quip “Bernard Who?” Not sure I can define the difference, but Manning’s humour feels blunter and ruder than Gervais’s.
@@btothec4650 I agree. But that could be because of the times, socially, and their comedic upbringing. BM was an unreconstructed club comedian, who found widespread “fame” on the Granada TV show “The Comedians”. Which brought certain comics out of the club, removed the swearing from their acts and put them on prime time telly. RG has built his act up with live performances that were based on his media output, but then tailored for theatres. His jokes had already been media “acceptability”, edited, i.e. he knows where the line is and whilst he can, and does, put a toe over it, he pretty much stays onside. I genuinely don’t think RG is a racist, but I don’t honestly think BM fully considered what his answer to Caroline Ahearne, or “Mrs Merton” would mean to his career. It’s an interesting discussion, both on the podcast above, and the wider question of where does the act finish and the person start. Thank you.
I think one of the driving forces of the vilification of Rowling & linehan was their alignment with a generalized feminist camp which kinda spawned & supported the trans/queer movement: heretics are always dealt with severely
Nice to see Francis in an interview. I sometimes think he's been a little overshadowed by Konstantin's meteoric rise.but he always brings levity to the Trig interviews.
One thing that I bet few trans women, or men would admit is that the menstrual cycle also comes with searing pain. And, women still go to work, and support their families. And, here's the kicker, women go through that for one week, once a month, for 25-35 years. Read that again.
Agree with you on the trans comment. But periods? They are painful, sometimes very painful. But SEARING pain? Nah. 600mg of advil and 500mg of tylenol, together, taken on day one and maybe day 2, is more than enough to make it go away. I do feel occasionally under the weather and frequently moody/extra sensitive, but that’s it, with no desire to go to work, but it’s more a “mood”/brain thing than anything else. The pain even foregoing meds, its quite bearable. I once fell down slippery stairs, hit my coccyx and felt it up in my head, and passed out from THAT searing pain. I will take having my period every day over feeling that again. Childbirth? It sounds like a horror story and that I believe 100%. No man, or anyone who has never gone through it (like me), could fully understand it.
I 100% agree with Francis! I like to hear both sides and make my own mind up. I am tired of the tribalism and how that part of human nature is exploited.
The main answer to the opening question is that Ricky has always been Ricky. JKR was, and still is, an ally. However, the cultists know to expect it from Ricky but they felt betrayed by JKR because she didn't adhere to the cult narrative.
Indeed Ricky and Chappelle are first and foremost free speech fighters, uncomfortable ideas must not be suppressed "humour is the place mind goes to tickle itself..." Jo Rowling while very prinicipaled person has always been a polite person while Gervais and Chappell believe in protecting free speech by exercising it regularly and purposely impolitely...
@@karatekid7640 I agree but isn't it sad we put so many structures/rules and conditions on and if a successful, intelligent woman has the right to have a platform to express an opinion from, which never seems to be the case with successful intelligent men? The double standards are staggering!
@@lulusworld2703even as I considered myself feminist, when I first read your comment it does seem like whining. But thinking about it with real examples yes there seems to be more expectations from a successful woman than men, a stereotype of a sophisticated, considerate and sincerity that rich men have successfully evaded any responsibility of. This is also why we expect women to be better at decision making at highly responsible positions today. Women of course perpetuate this too as they have always been more sensitive about how they would appear to others. The greatest example would be Trump vs Hillary Clinton... Still I think with a few more bold women they can successfully break this social pressure and prove finally that women are as screwed-up as men and we can finally achieve equality...
Brilliant interview. I've followed the Triggernometry guys for years and recently found your original channel a few months ago. Love that all of you have the guts to say what mainstream journalists aren't. Liked and subscribed in hope that more people see this and gain some critical nuance beyond the tribal think. Best of luck with Heretics, you are bringing to light the exact conversations our society is severely lacking.
WOW Andrew. What a day filled with great interviews. I had listened to parts on the podcast, but i so enjoyed watching. Thank you for a breath of fresh air. Respect
This was a great conversation to listen to on a Sunday afternoon with a cuppa, thank you both! Two creators I like very much coming together is always such a treat. I am personally beyond tired of the tribal thinking of this era & I believe (if their honest) most people also are. As humans (obviously) we're far more nuanced than the lines both sides try to push us into & the more people see that others are no longer behaving like that, hopefully the easier they'll find it to change too. "Heretics"- What an interesting idea for a show, Andrew. You gained a new sub & I'll definitely be watching!
Andrew if you lose subscribers for agreeing, honestly they probably aren’t subscribers you want. I don’t always agree with all the RUclips channels I follow 100% of the time but I choose to still support them.
I absolutely love the 'operating system' comparison! Also, I'm going to start saying 'I don't know' more often instead of feeling like I have to have an opinion on everything. Thanks do much Andrew, this was great!
It’s also to do with their core audience. JKR’s were millennials and Gen Z, Ricky’s are mostly Gen X and some boomers. Graham Linehan was initially cancelled by west end theatre then Channel 4, BBC radio - these stations and production companies have been fully captured by the Wokerati
This is a very good point. The ideological powers that be can’t possibly allow a popular and famous woman to speak to her young audience and burst the ideological bubble that they have been taught via social media and universities in particular, even though everything she says is reasonable,common sense and based in medical science and biological reality. So instead she had to be immediately Monstered.
Thank you, Andrew for advertising your new channel ❤ I love your topics of discussion, and which I watch all the way through by the way. I also prefer to do my own research and make up my own mind. I wish you growing success with your channel 🎉❤
Gervais and Chappelle are comedians and their brand is to say unorthodox things and to not care if it offends anyone. Rowling is not a comedian and does not say unorthodox things. She was very courageous to speak up when she did. I highly recommend the podcast The Witch Trials of JK Rowling, which deals with this subject.
I really miss hearing more honest straight down the middle opinion like this. It feels like everyone is stepping on egg shells these days. Triggernometry is the only sane voice in a mad world. Love the podcast guys!
A few people who know nothing about JKR cancelled her because she had differing opinions , that I can understand, I don’t agree but can understand. But a few kids who she elevated to stardom with her incredibly talented writing - these few should be ashamed of themselves. Without her words in their mouths they would have been unknown actors. Haven’t seen them doing anything of the same calibre since. Luckily, due to JKR they may never need to work again ££££££££
I agree 100% with Rowling, but the actors are entitled to their opinion and to suggest they ought to defend Rowling simply out of loyalty is silly. Assuming she did say something awful, would you still think the kids whom she indirectly gave a job must agree with her? Let them expose their shallow thinking, in the long run it will become clear that Rowling was right and that Radcliffe, Watson etc. were severely misguided. Besides, I doubt the actors with their limited range will ever be as wealthy as she is.
Not to mention the fact that JK has NEVER been anything but supportive of the LGBTQ community. All she ever said was that while she fully supported anyone transitioning, the fact remains that men are not biological women. That’s ALL she said. How can a statement of scientific fact be interpreted as hatred of trans people??
@@valerianmandrake the point is they should be motivated enough to not be able to claim any sort of ignorance other than wilful. Of course if they were to acknowledge the truth at the moment they know they will be cancelled. Their concerted effort to make sure the shunning continues show their ingratitude.
Hey guys, believe it or not, not all women experience significant emotional vicissitudes in connection with menstruation; only some do. Just like with cramping and pain, mileage varies a great deal from individual to individual. Meanwhile male emotion can be *very* driven by hormones, just less predictably so.
Great conversation! These conversations are rare but important. We must talk about *everything* and problems seen from every angle if we are to find solutions.
Great interview - thank you. I, and I imagine many others, appreciate an interviewer who allows the interviewee to answer at length without incessant interruptions. It was also nice to hear Francis Foster's opinions about today's society - they mirrors mine.
My take on transgender is the same as transrace, transage and so on. If you can decide what gender you are, you can decide what race and age you are. I accept everything, as long as we set down rules and apply them to everything. If we can't pick our age, then we can't pick our gender.
It’s also obviously dangerous for women and children if we pretend that there are no sex differences between people when the average men is taller, bigger and stronger than the average woman, has 17 times more testosterone and the sex statistically more likely to be aggressive and physically and sexually abusive and violent. We immediately create a dystopian world by lying about biological reality.
If you can identify with something that's false then no one should be obliged to acknowledge it in any way. If this was how we dealt with it then we wouldn't have to care but we have to care because men are invading women's spaces.
Actually, transrace make more sense, because that actually IS a spectrum. But if someone wants to identify as a cat, then fine go ahead. The line is crossed though when me and everyone else has to identify that person as a cat. This is the difference - between self-identity and enforced mass rejection of facts like biology and species. So you can identify as what you want - freedom, and I can stick to my version of things = freedom. Freedom BOTH ways.
I have poppies hung over my front door to remind me to take a backward glance prior to going places where the millions of courageous young men sacrificed on the altars of security and security can no longer go. I see people on social media griping about how their name was mispelled on their Starbucks coffee cup everyday and try to picture them going over the top at the Battle Of The Somme. I'm not really living, just enduring our current culture until the day that my breath gives out.
I'm glad he mentioned journalists and other commentators who imply, if not claim expertise on a ridiculous range of subjects. I had always had respect for both the late John Pilger and for Noam Chomsky until last year when I head them both commenting on a subject I happen to be an expert on myself, which is Russia. I am for want of a better word a Russianist. I heard them both talking about the Ukraine war making apologetic excuses for Putin and to my mind just seeing Ukraine as part of the wicked west and turning a deaf ear and a blind eye to the entire history of Russia whilst at the same time displaying a staggering lack of knowledge about Putin and his entourage. It was clear that both Pilger and Chomsky were very confidently and stridently hold forth on topics they clearly knew little about. It was classic Dunning-Kruger. It was a sobering moment.
Gay men can criticise transgenders far easier than women can too. Been in many social media debates about trans and the couple of gay men defending women and kids are treated with respect, whereas I and the other women trying to make our side of the argument clear are treated disgustingly. I even pointed this out to one of the gay guys and a little later on down the comment thread, he had to agree with me.
The owner of a gay magazine that was distributed free around gay clubs for the last 30 years plus which relied solely on advertising had his business completely wiped out after he sent a tweet in support of the LGB alliance. So gay men can’t criticise transgender movement either.
Confucius said : "The path to true knowledge begins with the words 'I don't know." Too many people these days have opinions instead of actual knowledge, so admitting you don't know everything is far more an indication of intelligence than just spouting of an opinion.
@@thomasbarchen No, it was Confucius who originally said it, but it's been re-quoted many times by people in political office over the centuries. It even got quoted by the character Data in Star Trek The Next Generation. I studied Chinese philosophers for many years, and am always surprised when Western leaders throughout history take credit for much of their quotes :-) Even Russel Brand use quotes from Chinese/Japanese and Greek philosophy in his stage act, but can't elucidate further on what he says, as he just hasn't studied the context of the quotes, just uses them to make himself sound educated. Charles Darwin has some amazing quotes in his work that exemplify today's Woke culture, which he saw as a form of de-evolution appearing in the future for humanity.
It's not about the money. Rowling is worth more than Ricky Gervais. Her problem is that she was seen as a nailed-on progressive and feminist, who's now seen as a traitor to the latest message. Similar situation with Linehan- he was OK with cancellation of non- PC individuals which he has now recognised as misguided ( or even evil). Gervais appeals across the board and his fans (and core financial support) want him to continue with his approach. He has ALWAYS been like this. He also controls the writing, production, direction and acting of his material.
What a great interview. I watch Triggernometry content a lot and have always felt that it feels like Francis takes a bit of a back seat to Konstantin, but this has really changed my opinion. Really engaging speaker, nice one Francis and nice one Andrew for drawing the conversation/discussion out of him. Good work!
Andrew, you are a great listener. This is the 2nd interview of yours I have seen and I remain very impressed. Thank you for asking the right questions.
I've watched Triggernometry for a good 4 years. I've seen Francis Foster's co-host Konstantin Kisin as a guest on multiple channels over the years. But I think this is the first time I've ever seen Francis Foster as somebody's guest. Anybody else?
I voted Labour from 1975 until 2019. And I switched to Conservative because I hated the way Labour seemed to swerve to the left ( Brexit) I am honestly like a fixed decimal point and the world moved around me. I’m. now as classed as right wing- and that weird because I don’t feel like I’ve changed at all. I support Israel, but I’m also worried to hell about the Palestinians. And as for the woke- I’m so glad I’m old and I had most of my life in a sane world. I’m glad I’m not going to have to deal with lunacy of the left. I’m glad I’m old. I do live Triggernometry and I like Andrew as well.
Good on ya, Andrew, for starting this channel! I've only watched this video so far. It was a really good start - and I love the guests you've picked so far! Any plans on talking to journalist Brendan O'Neill? He has a new book out called "A Heretic's Manifesto - Essays on the Unsayable". Couldn't be more perfect for this channel - in my opinion! 😊
"Toxic masculinity" is a very unfortunate concept. I realised that years ago when I first heard it. From a radical feminist perspective, both masculinity and femininity are toxic. They are the two stereotypical roles in creating and upholding the power difference between men and women, the male supremacy. Men are living with the expectations to be dominant and women to be dominated. Women and men has to be socially created unequal. In order for that to work we have to see women and men as two totally different groups of people. For opression to seem acceptable there has to be a belief that there are groups that differ from each other. That's the one single condition needed for inequality, oppression to be accepted. Just as "race" was created for white people to be able to colonise others, "gender" was created to support male supremacy. This is the basic analyses of gender abolitionists. BUT that doesn't exclude the possibility for some differences between women and men. It just opposes the cultural compulsion to recreate the illusion of women and men being totally different. (Before Beckham suddenly putting his hair together up high at the back of the head, only women could do that. Men with long hair new that they had to gather the hair as low as possible in order to not be perceived as feminine.) And no man can actually know what it is to work with only women or even be in a room with only women in it, since it stops being only women when he enters. And I would argue that it is a myth that women only groups doesn’t work. We see and notice what we expect. And when men gossip and have horrible fights, we call it other things.
Believe me, every married man knows what it's like to be in a room with only women in it, because they are relentlessly telling us about it in great detail. Why do you think that women in their 60s, who grew up when 2nd wave feminism was actually at its peak and most radical, have almost completely rejected feminism, and now live quiet lives with their husbands? Because they eventually realised it was the extreme competitiveness of women that was making them miserable. Once they stopped projecting that extreme competitiveness onto their man, they found contentment. Usually sometime in their 40s.
@@PGHEngineer Well, that's your second hand experience. You are still not able to actually experience what it can be to be in a women only room, and which factors causes what. As a soon to be 60 after about 50 years of consciously chosen feminism, I have a "slightly" more nuanced picture of what feminist women's only spaces can be like. Not that you world be my primary person to vent that with, but for any woman who reads this: as women grown up in societies with male supremacy cultures, we for instance can't help but importing illusions of women being less valuable than men. This can cause some painful patterns. But with us being aware of that we have the possibility to process that together in women only spaces, developing a deeper consciousness as a basis for liberation. But women don't only bring bad patriarchal attitudes into our spaces. Women only spaces are in them selves an automatic allowance for sharing in words and actions in a way that women can do when there are no male egos around to feel obligated to feed. (You have no idea how often women laugh at your jokes, pretend that they didn't know what you unasked teach them, let you "solve" the practical problem they all along knew how to fix etc etc. All because if they don't it creates a social discomfort.) Women only together in a space breaks the chronic isolation between women, since men's presence isn't neutral, but places itself between women. When the isolation is broken, the sharing, the defining of problems, the analysis, the strategies can evolve. The beginning of a liberating revolution against male supremacy commence. And women have the possibility to value ourselves and each other more. Women in a room without men is the primary and strongest threat to male supremacy. That's why the trans activist males started with attacking (radical) feminists, our spaces and our ideology. And it's also why other men have no problem to go along with transgenderism. It was obvious that before trans activists increased their attacks on women only spaces, traditional "normally" oppressive boys and men were the attackers. They stopped when the trans activists took that role. For women in patriarchy creating women's only spaces is the only way to escape, even if only for a few hours at a time. Patriarchy is a global misogynist cult, so we can't escape from it permanently. And about working in groups with only women within patriarchy. After decades of taking an interest in asking women about that: most women think that the benefits are far bigger than when working with men. I don't have time to go into it now, but only to have colleagues who are more likely to take the responsibility they are supposed to without expecting praise for it...
@BodilWandt Oh Lord. What a load of piffle. I might believe a word of it if I didn't live in the UK. In my lifetime I've had three female prime ministers and for most of my life the head of state was a woman. Modern British women are not oppressed, which is why 3 out of every 4 British women dont want to be labelled feminist. But even in the past British women were leading men. Boudicca led men in their wars against the Romans and Elizabeth I led men in our wars against the Spanish. If YOU hate men, and Lord knows there seem to be at least 10% of women that do, go off and create your own cities, with your own politics and even your own religion. Men really don't care. Nobody will try and stop you. It's a lot more impressive than hearing you rad fems wittering on about how awful the patriarchy is whilst doing your damndest to climb up its backbone and play a full part in it. It's like moaning about how awful the Nazis are and then joining the SS. Maybe you could crowdfund it? "OK, guys if you crowdfund RadFem City we'll up and leave you all alone". That's got to be worth $100 of any man's money.
Great show! I looked up Seann Walsh. Absolutely a great comedian! I could not believe the horror he was subjected to by the keyboard culture over a kiss. Following him and Triggernometry now. Thank you guys!
His point about spending time with experts being valuable is spot on. I didnt go to university as i have a terrible attention span for that kind of environment, however ive been on several long road trips across Europe with my friend, who did a degree in nutrition. In that environment, i found that i could absorb the information no problem. I now considered myself well versed in the field of nutrition. So by virtue of these guys interviewing the experts, i would value their knowledge just as much. ❤ And "Pdf files" was a great work around for RUclips 😂
The anxiety a person must suffer everyday, when they try to pass themselves off as something that they are not, and never will be, must be horrendous. I feel sorry for them being persuaded to put themselves in that position by a malevolent 'pharma/heath INDUSTRY' bent on making money out of them for life.
I'm glad you mentioned the food/health industry in such a light, because it is true. I was just typing something along those lines, I wish more people would accept the ugly truth.... So many jsut don't want to you know, despite all the facts. At some point these gentlemen talks about women hormones and their symptoms. The real problem is we all think this is normal (extreme mood swings and menopuase symptoms) because that's what we have been told to believe. Imagine us in the wild with debilitating pain and symptoms: how would that make us effective?? Women are told to be slim so we do diets: it negatively impacts all aspect of physical AND mental health (more than men due to how our hormones are in control of many important mechanisms!) The SAD way of eating is a huge problem: what we eat reflects on our gut health, gut health is mental & physical health: AND hormonal balance. So many women lose their period being vegan, they have anxiety, they take medications etc. It's a rabbit hole of problems, but we joke and get told ''That's how it is, women are weak.'' We shouldn't be this way and have debilitating pains and being told lies. Humans aren't meant to eat sugars and carbs, even our bodily structures started to change over the years due to missing important nutritions! Smaller jaws leading to croocked teeth (they have nowhere to go), smaller hips for females (making it harder to birth etc), less nutrients in the milk for babies making them fragile so early: and then the babies start eating carbs and sugars right away. (Kids get cancer sooner, dibetes sooner, depression sooner, their teeth ROT much much sooner etc.) We are told diabetes (to only name this one), is for life.... Are any of you aware of the massive amount of lies spread by the food & health industry...? You'd all gain from doing research on that.... Cutting all sugars (including fruits, stevia etc), and carbs: and only eating meat/animal fat/eggs is the way to be healthy and regain your life. Those aren't processed foods, adn they are REAL food. (Plants don't want to be eaten either, we CAN'T digest them!!! Cows can, they have teh stomachs for it. Many nuts and other foods CANT be digested, no matter how 'nutrient dense' society tells you they are. And I hate how liars have taken this truth and twisted it (either to vilify it or make money out of it by adding lies to it) : because if you go an look at the MASSIVE amount of stories told by real people & doctors alike who are eating carnivore: you'll be amazed. I dare you, go check it out and read the comments. Open your eyes. What have you got to lose? People get rid of PCOS, diabetes, joint pain, eczema, daily headaches, painful bloating, PMS, menopause hell ETC..... All either improved or gone. I'm one of them, and if you call me a liar: why don't YOU try it and see for yourself? There is no adds here, I don't ask for money or to become blind to a cult: only to do it for yourself and SEE the results FOR YOURSELF. Why would it be so hard to believe when any of you can make your research and see how sugar is more addictive than cocaine? Those foods are perfectly DESIGNED to keep us hooked, and sick. For profits. And then we are told that we are overweight and sick because 'you arent trying hard enough' : one touch of sugar on the tongue is enough to send the response to your brain, and the addicting cycle begins again! No more cravings once you become fat addapted on carnivore: your body will go back at burning fat instead of storing it: like IT USED TO DO when we were livng in the wild. Meat has been vilified so much: now we have sugary cereal at the very top of the so-called ''healthy'' food guide. And eggs and meat are in red, at the very bottom. This is C R A Z Y. Please people, wake up: women, take back your life. Fix your hormones with a proper way of eating. You'll fix your brains, your body, and whoever aroudn you whose enduring your PMS or menopuase symptoms WILL see the differences too and thank you!
Keep it up. Good, interesting conversation. I disagreed with bits of it, but that's a big positive in my book as it provokes thought echo chambers are bad. Helps form ideas or understanding different viewpoints. Good choice getting Francis on as Triggernometry has spawned some great conversations and he's also a comedian willing to take the mickey.
I'm a biological cis gendered (whatever) woman who up until the advent of social media had a relatively uncomplicated life, belief structure/system, and so on. Then I got swept along on the tidal wave of bullshit and after a foray into wokeism, I decided to sack the most toxic and addictive social media platforms (fudbook/insta/tiktok etc) and truly open my mind, listen to the guys I'd been told to hate, view others with opposing views with compassion, ditch the black and white thinking and have now come full circle. I'm back to relative simplicity and who knows, I'm probably a terf? But I don't really care. I look back with a considerable degree of discomfort and cringe at the shite I used to absorb and regurgitate but hey, no regrets, I'm ok now. Great interview 😊👍
@@RebeleneM thank you 😊👍 I really appreciate your positive feedback. As people we all need to lift each other up and have more rational conversations. It's great to not be attacked for simply being honest.
You’re not a ‘cis’ woman, you’re a woman. I can’t stop others from using this term to describe heterosexual men and women, but I will never use it to describe myself.
@@hotpod12 Cheers, that's how I really see myself, just a woman, no prefixes needed 🙂 I was being ironic but I should have put "cis" in inverted commas to indicate that.
I think it represents 80% of the worlds population. But the fear of being labeled and losing friends or your job, income, home, or even family keeps people quiet.
I don't agree. Andrew Linehan got very serious and somewhat devastating amounts of flack and didn't get much or any support from the police or online content creators until it was too late. The men and women who attacked Rowling and Linehan are not the classic stereotype of the male misogynist, something else completely and certainly not all from men. Most ordinary people don't engage online with extremists but in public, where Gervais aired his views, the silent majority rule and extreme views are more conspicuously in the minority. Not a good look if you're the lone dissenter in a room of thousands. On top of that, Gervais got his timing right. He did it when the tide of public opinion, persuaded by revealing documentary's and the like, was firmly on their side of the argument. The sad part is that he majority can be bullied into silence by online bullies who appear to be greater in number than they truly are. Rowling and Linehan were isolated from the pack and picked off before the public literally got its act together. I think a bit of collective responsibility is in order instead of, yet again, blaming "Misogynists" "Toxic masculinity" for everything that goes wrong in a corporate dominated society that was actually targeting vulnerable individuals to make vast sums of money out of horrific medical procedures. Capitalism and medicine should not be mixed but I doubt you have the guts for that conversation, which is the true heart of the matter.
"Cleen up your room!" Listening to people like him or you and Kisin, Charlie Kirk or Candace and a few more like ya'll is very enlightning and motivational. Good job, thank you for that and keep on.Thank ya'll
Non-thinkers have always been around. Before the internet they had to wait for someone who spoke out that they could latch onto. Someone who had some position of power however small it was, because they could not hide behind anonymity.
Great interview, enjoy watching Francis break things down, it resonates with me as I have a similar take on it. With regard to having an opinion on 'everything', while ideology will have its part down to which 'team' you're in, for me a lot of it is just down to ego and not wanting to seem stupid for NOT having an opinion. I don't think this is a new thing just that there is a lot more stuff that we're supposed to have an opinion on.
JKR is a multi, multi millionaire too. She has a very large and loyal fan base, makes people a lot of money with her books and movies and still copped flack.
Which is why her cancelling wasn't as effective as so many other women who speak up. Ricky Gervais wasn't cancelled because he's a man, he's profitable, he hasn't committed (and has made fun of all sorts of other targets in his comedy) and maybe the timing is different.
What concerns me is that Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is SO DAMN REAL and the constant virtue signalling, protesting, prejudices, cancel culture in my opinion is the same as passive aggression and it's abusive. Over many years people will begin to suffer the same CPTSD symptoms. Peoples mental health will deteriorate causing all kinds of further problems. You are not free to think anymore and if you do, don't voice those oppinions.
On next week's episode: Andrew interviews Matt Stone and asks him how he has the creative energy to create South Park, direct movies and write an award-winning Broadway musical.
Even he (GL) says that he's noticed women get more abuse. The important parameters seem to be wealth/security of employment, sex (and maybe other identity markers), commitment and volume, fame, and timing. Graham Linehan seems to tick every box other than sex for being cancelled. Just the wrong amount of fame and lacking enough wealth to be able to ignore being cancelled.
Was he? Did people go to his house and show his address? Have people called for mass boycotting of his shows? Has he been sent r*pe threats? Have people walked around with signs calling for his death? Are people wearing t-shirts and badges saying how much they hate him? Are people putting signs in their business windows saying FU to him?
Yes, Francis, as well as lineham take the misogynist narrative without any sort of basis. It's a curiously woke response considering he's generally anti woke. Gynocentrism is very powerful. Look at how much more successful radical feminists are compared to men's rights activists. I remember a survey reported by the BBC several years ago, showed half misogynistic tweets by women. I bet Francis has no data to back up his claims. He just knows he'll get applauded for saying it regardless.
Francis Foster is a superb analyst of contemporary culture. He’s brilliant on the trans issue and a star for admitting there’s stuff he doesn’t know enough about to offer an opinion. On the Harry Kane question, the answer is Bobby Charlton by the way (possibly!).
Super conversation. Thank you! This video finished mid-chore, and I had time to think as I quietly made lunches and breakfasts and prepared for my day. Two thoughts that percolated up were: lack of collective "story time" and the intense pressure to be opinionated about topics that take considerable time and perspective to understand. After the past 5 years, I have such limited space for story in my heart, I just can't commit because I'm so busy trying to find my own way through the ocean of voices speaking on topics that I have to push back on in a real way because it impacts me, my children, my family, my community and my country. I just can't settle on fiction because I feel like I'm trying to hack my way through lies or opinions presented as fact all. the. time. I remember my kid walking through the kitchen and saying: "I'm sorry you have to listen to this stuff so much, mum. I know it's not what you wanted." But thank God for comedy... I can at least try to catch live shows in my town's small club and for a moment participate in making space for jokes and laughter. And if I don't like the fricking joke: I wait 5 minutes and the next one comes along. I don't scream and cry and post stuff on media.
I worked for a company that was 99% women. I can say it was 100% a supportive environment. It might be that because we were working with vulnerable young people it was important to create a caring culture for the young people to feel safe. I have been told about and have experience of an office based working environment which were mainly women and that was certainly tricky. However, never have I experienced chaos.
lol talking about the PDF files in germany reminds me of brass eye sketch when america starts launching PDF files into space but accidently left a 10yr old boy in the capsule
Indeed, men are easily controlled by their irrational sex drive. But they are too smug to realize it and love to consider themselves the more "rational" sex... Lol.
Should a joke ever be canceled? Hit like, share this video, and let me know down below.
I actually think you can joke about everything - or rather; I haven’t encountered any jokes I’ve thought worthy of cancellation. Of course there are jokes that hit me personally right in the gut and heart. But so what. I my own life, the more difficult circumstances, the more important that I’m able to make jokes. When I can’t, then I’m in a REALLY bad shape. Dangerously so.
Just me on my other channel agreeing with everything I say hahaha
@@AndrewGold1 oh good one 🤣
Cancel culture should be cancelled(the irony). Love your guests!
Personal responsibility. If you don't like a joke, don't listen to the person telling it. If you do, support that person. "Cancelling" is something every individual person has a say in. Sidenote: Why are you spelling "canceled" the American way? The British double L makes so much more sense.
The hate of woman is extreme. As a woman I'm not OK sharing my private spaces with men as a survivor or SO.
Im sorry that happend to you. I hope you can heal and find places and people where you can feel protected and safe.
It's beyond ridiculous that these laws are being passed in the first place. Why can't trans people be content with getting their own space? Why invade existing ones to the detriment of the cause they claim to support? Utter lunacy!
Most people are with you, Its the vocal minority pushing men into womans areas. The hate of men is more extream tho.
I am sorry that happened to you. Please get the help you need.
These men hate you because THEY AIN'T YOU
"That's where we've come to: that it's more important to appear virtuous than to actually do the right thing" Brilliant!
Yes, I thought that was a particularly keen observation
Yeah, Machiavelli was ahead of his time...
The other crucial difference between Gervais and Chapelle on one hand, and Rowling and Linehan on the other, is that the latter two spoke out much earlier, when it was much more dangerous to do so. By the time the other two started talking about these issues, the “gender critical” movement had already made significant strides towards turning the tide.
Yes, this! Rowling and Linehan were incredibly bold to say what they said at the time.
and JK wrote children books and people hate connecting children with these topics... the others are comedians, they "always push the envelope..."
"turning the tide" - you are dreaming.
@@AndyJarman There’s a long way to go, but if you haven’t realised how different the landscape is now from what it was like when Linehan was first thrown to the wolves, you haven’t been paying attention. If Gervais had said some of the things he’s said recently then, he would have been slaughtered. The people who speak up first take the brunt of the damage, and make it easier for the people who speak up later.
Someone might look up dates, when someone said this or that.
I'm team JK and always will be.
Yes because she did nothing wrong.
many of these dudes arent trans AT ALL.
It's to live their fetish and much worse.....
THAT is what we are all agaisnt.
Yes
Me too
Absolutely! On the side of reality!
I like what Helen Joyce had to say on the subject too
Francis was a fabulous guest! I really enjoyed watching you two. I recently listened to the Podcast JK Rowling The Witch Trials. The woman who did it had been in some churchy cult that had protested against the Harry Potter books and burned them etc. She had wanted to tell both sides of Jo Rowlings cancellation because of the Transgender Activists.
I learnt a lot about Joanne Rowlings who doesn’t even have a middle name. The book publishers made her publish as JK so it didn’t sound female as they thought kid’s preferred male writers. Besides the point I know. I highly recommend this podcast because the only two people from the TG community that would even come on the podcast after what was done to Jo Rowlings, really had no argument anyway.
It makes me angry that the actors that really owe their careers to her turned on her and no more movies will be made for a series that was beyond popular. Thanks to the bullying of a minority group.
Thanks so much to both of you for a fascinating interview. ❤
You'll possibly be pleased to know that a Harry Potter TV series is in the works. I think the Fantastic Beasts movies have stalled because they haven't been as successful as the Harry Potter ones. JK Rowling is too rich, too famous and too popular to be cancelled, but that doesn't mean that she isn't subjected to disgusting online abuse and defamatory remarks from people who should know better.
@@pollyparrot9447 Thanks Polly! I am pleased to know that! Yay 🙌🏻
I think the Fantastic Beasts stalled when they fired Johnny Depp and the now famous trial proved he was the victim of feminine toxicity (a new word from these podcasts 😂) I wonder if they’ll ever get going again? JD won’t do them or Pirates. Oh well, we have a TV series to look forward too. Hopefully a world that is uncensored as well 😀
The actors in Harry Potter don’t owe her anything.
@@sweetlikechocothaiI beg to differ. Average talent elevated by first class writing and excellent production. Every second-rate actor’s dream.
@@joanr3189 well said!
Good to see Francis getting air time. Love his authenticity.
He’s a MAN of the PEOPLE!!!
@nicoledickens2366 Mine too.
ikr sometimes i want KK to give him some space to get his whole ideas out. sometimes i feel he gets talked down to... by guests and kk... i love them both tho
I like him much more after listening to this interview.
The difference between comedians Ricky Gervais and Dave Chappelle not being despised for their jokes and J. K. Rowling and Graham Linehan being vilified for their opinions is that jokes can be brushed aside as "Just a bit of inappropriate fun" while reasoned, strongly held opinions by respected individuals cannot be tolerated.
Lacking any solid counterarguments, they must be "Cancelled"
Spot on
I think you are right. Where does Ricky Gervais, for example, the comedian start and finish. If you can, watch the episode with "Mrs Merton" (Caroline Ahern), and Bernard Manning. He was a guest on the show and the point was to sort of make him out himself as a racist. At first the audience were laughing with him, despite his clearly racist humour. It wasn't until Caroline actually asked him outright, 'Bernard, are you a racist?" And he answered "Yes". The laughter stopped dead and the studio went quiet. You can see in his eyes he knew he'd dropped a massive bollock and his career, certainly TV wise was over. Perhaps that is the difference between the examples quoted in the podcast. No one has actually asked, and had answered a straight question of these peoples' own opinions and not just their act.
@@stetomlinson3146 watched the interview you mentioned, including his tirade at Richard Wilson. Interesting that someone apparently made famous for using insulting humour couldn’t handle Wilson’s quip “Bernard Who?” Not sure I can define the difference, but Manning’s humour feels blunter and ruder than Gervais’s.
@@btothec4650 I agree. But that could be because of the times, socially, and their comedic upbringing. BM was an unreconstructed club comedian, who found widespread “fame” on the Granada TV show “The Comedians”. Which brought certain comics out of the club, removed the swearing from their acts and put them on prime time telly. RG has built his act up with live performances that were based on his media output, but then tailored for theatres. His jokes had already been media “acceptability”, edited, i.e. he knows where the line is and whilst he can, and does, put a toe over it, he pretty much stays onside. I genuinely don’t think RG is a racist, but I don’t honestly think BM fully considered what his answer to Caroline Ahearne, or “Mrs Merton” would mean to his career. It’s an interesting discussion, both on the podcast above, and the wider question of where does the act finish and the person start. Thank you.
I think one of the driving forces of the vilification of Rowling & linehan was their alignment with a generalized feminist camp which kinda spawned & supported the trans/queer movement: heretics are always dealt with severely
Love Francis and his level head. Thank you for standing up for common sense and decency.
Just find something, off about, Alistair Gold.
I find him so annoying.
Nice to see Francis in an interview. I sometimes think he's been a little overshadowed by Konstantin's meteoric rise.but he always brings levity to the Trig interviews.
One thing that I bet few trans women, or men would admit is that the menstrual cycle also comes with searing pain. And, women still go to work, and support their families. And, here's the kicker, women go through that for one week, once a month, for 25-35 years. Read that again.
I've heard that it varies from woman to such an extent that some women don't believe that other women are in so much pain.
It can differ from month to month in the same woman, but all will agree its not pleasant@@ribbonsofnight
@@ribbonsofnight I was lucky to have fairly mild cramps (from the BC pill maybe?); but I believe other women who say they have pain.
Sometimes it's mild of you're lucky.
It seems every couple of years my symptoms change just to keep things interesting.😅
Agree with you on the trans comment. But periods? They are painful, sometimes very painful. But SEARING pain? Nah. 600mg of advil and 500mg of tylenol, together, taken on day one and maybe day 2, is more than enough to make it go away. I do feel occasionally under the weather and frequently moody/extra sensitive, but that’s it, with no desire to go to work, but it’s more a “mood”/brain thing than anything else. The pain even foregoing meds, its quite bearable.
I once fell down slippery stairs, hit my coccyx and felt it up in my head, and passed out from THAT searing pain. I will take having my period every day over feeling that again.
Childbirth? It sounds like a horror story and that I believe 100%. No man, or anyone who has never gone through it (like me), could fully understand it.
I 100% agree with Francis! I like to hear both sides and make my own mind up. I am tired of the tribalism and how that part of human nature is exploited.
The main answer to the opening question is that Ricky has always been Ricky. JKR was, and still is, an ally. However, the cultists know to expect it from Ricky but they felt betrayed by JKR because she didn't adhere to the cult narrative.
Indeed Ricky and Chappelle are first and foremost free speech fighters, uncomfortable ideas must not be suppressed "humour is the place mind goes to tickle itself..."
Jo Rowling while very prinicipaled person has always been a polite person while Gervais and Chappell believe in protecting free speech by exercising it regularly and purposely impolitely...
@@karatekid7640 I agree but isn't it sad we put so many structures/rules and conditions on and if a successful, intelligent woman has the right to have a platform to express an opinion from, which never seems to be the case with successful intelligent men? The double standards are staggering!
@@lulusworld2703even as I considered myself feminist, when I first read your comment it does seem like whining. But thinking about it with real examples yes there seems to be more expectations from a successful woman than men, a stereotype of a sophisticated, considerate and sincerity that rich men have successfully evaded any responsibility of.
This is also why we expect women to be better at decision making at highly responsible positions today. Women of course perpetuate this too as they have always been more sensitive about how they would appear to others. The greatest example would be Trump vs Hillary Clinton...
Still I think with a few more bold women they can successfully break this social pressure and prove finally that women are as screwed-up as men and we can finally achieve equality...
@@lulusworld2703So it's all mens fault lmao. Typical.
@@lulusworld2703 "isn't it sad we put so many structures/rules and conditions" - who is "we"?
The left is eating their own, it's not a new thing.
Brilliant interview. I've followed the Triggernometry guys for years and recently found your original channel a few months ago. Love that all of you have the guts to say what mainstream journalists aren't. Liked and subscribed in hope that more people see this and gain some critical nuance beyond the tribal think. Best of luck with Heretics, you are bringing to light the exact conversations our society is severely lacking.
WOW Andrew. What a day filled with great interviews. I had listened to parts on the podcast, but i so enjoyed watching. Thank you for a breath of fresh air. Respect
This was a great conversation to listen to on a Sunday afternoon with a cuppa, thank you both! Two creators I like very much coming together is always such a treat.
I am personally beyond tired of the tribal thinking of this era & I believe (if their honest) most people also are. As humans (obviously) we're far more nuanced than the lines both sides try to push us into & the more people see that others are no longer behaving like that, hopefully the easier they'll find it to change too.
"Heretics"- What an interesting idea for a show, Andrew. You gained a new sub & I'll definitely be watching!
Andrew if you lose subscribers for agreeing, honestly they probably aren’t subscribers you want. I don’t always agree with all the RUclips channels I follow 100% of the time but I choose to still support them.
Aw thank you!
I absolutely love the 'operating system' comparison! Also, I'm going to start saying 'I don't know' more often instead of feeling like I have to have an opinion on everything. Thanks do much Andrew, this was great!
Francis combines humor with the truth! 🤣
It’s also to do with their core audience. JKR’s were millennials and Gen Z, Ricky’s are mostly Gen X and some boomers. Graham Linehan was initially cancelled by west end theatre then Channel 4, BBC radio - these stations and production companies have been fully captured by the Wokerati
This is a very good point. The ideological powers that be can’t possibly allow a popular and famous woman to speak to her young audience and burst the ideological bubble that they have been taught via social media and universities in particular, even though everything she says is reasonable,common sense and based in medical science and biological reality. So instead she had to be immediately Monstered.
@@viviennedunbar3374and not everyone takes after there generation am sure not everyone in hippy days were hippy took drugs had orgys lol
Am generation x lol they were generation pluto in virgo
Ricky generation z really he way ti old for my son to understand to watch he my age am 54
This!
I really enjoyed this conversation! Thank you. And I will go catch up with episode 1 now 🎉
Wonderful! Thank you :)
Same here 🤗
Thanks for speaking some sense into people's ears, Francis. You go mate! I love your show, Triggernometry, & support it proudly.
Thank you, Andrew for advertising your new channel ❤
I love your topics of discussion, and which I watch all the way through by the way.
I also prefer to do my own research and make up my own mind.
I wish you growing success with your channel 🎉❤
Gervais and Chappelle are comedians and their brand is to say unorthodox things and to not care if it offends anyone. Rowling is not a comedian and does not say unorthodox things. She was very courageous to speak up when she did. I highly recommend the podcast The Witch Trials of JK Rowling, which deals with this subject.
Three excellent guests and conversations right out of the gate! I hope you can keep it up and all power to your new channel.
That's the plan! Thanks!
Well said Ricky. Trans woman are trans woman, not woman. As a lesbian I speak out about the truth. I don't mind to offend.
Enjoyed Francis's perspectives on the topics discussed. He is a very down to earth, sensible individual who comes across as very genuine.
Luv this show! I'm a nurse, the amount of toxic femininity is mind boggling! Can be such a nasty environment, grinds you down 😢
I really miss hearing more honest straight down the middle opinion like this. It feels like everyone is stepping on egg shells these days. Triggernometry is the only sane voice in a mad world. Love the podcast guys!
The ‘only’ sane voice???? ;)
@@andrewgoldheretics Yourself goes without saying Andrew. ;)
A few people who know nothing about JKR cancelled her because she had differing opinions , that I can understand, I don’t agree but can understand. But a few kids who she elevated to stardom with her incredibly talented writing - these few should be ashamed of themselves. Without her words in their mouths they would have been unknown actors. Haven’t seen them doing anything of the same calibre since. Luckily, due to JKR they may never need to work again ££££££££
I agree 100% with Rowling, but the actors are entitled to their opinion and to suggest they ought to defend Rowling simply out of loyalty is silly. Assuming she did say something awful, would you still think the kids whom she indirectly gave a job must agree with her? Let them expose their shallow thinking, in the long run it will become clear that Rowling was right and that Radcliffe, Watson etc. were severely misguided. Besides, I doubt the actors with their limited range will ever be as wealthy as she is.
Not to mention the fact that JK has NEVER been anything but supportive of the LGBTQ community. All she ever said was that while she fully supported anyone transitioning, the fact remains that men are not biological women. That’s ALL she said. How can a statement of scientific fact be interpreted as hatred of trans people??
@@valerianmandrake the point is they should be motivated enough to not be able to claim any sort of ignorance other than wilful. Of course if they were to acknowledge the truth at the moment they know they will be cancelled. Their concerted effort to make sure the shunning continues show their ingratitude.
Yeah funny that they didn’t return the huge amounts of ‘dirty’ money that they made from this evil woman?
@@valerianmandrake Nobody asked them to defend her, but they didn't need to vilify her just so they could virtue signal their ignorance.
Hey guys, believe it or not, not all women experience significant emotional vicissitudes in connection with menstruation; only some do. Just like with cramping and pain, mileage varies a great deal from individual to individual. Meanwhile male emotion can be *very* driven by hormones, just less predictably so.
Great conversation! These conversations are rare but important. We must talk about *everything* and problems seen from every angle if we are to find solutions.
Great interview - thank you.
I, and I imagine many others, appreciate an interviewer who allows the interviewee to answer at length without incessant interruptions. It was also nice to hear Francis Foster's opinions about today's society - they mirrors mine.
Quite different from Piers, isnt it? 😂
Loved this interview! Thank you Andrew. First time I have heard Francis and I am a fan. 😁
My take on transgender is the same as transrace, transage and so on.
If you can decide what gender you are, you can decide what race and age you are.
I accept everything, as long as we set down rules and apply them to everything. If we can't pick our age, then we can't pick our gender.
It’s also obviously dangerous for women and children if we pretend that there are no sex differences between people when the average men is taller, bigger and stronger than the average woman, has 17 times more testosterone and the sex statistically more likely to be aggressive and physically and sexually abusive and violent. We immediately create a dystopian world by lying about biological reality.
I'm ok with folk identifying as another gender but we can't change our biological sex, that's an immutable fact.
If you can identify with something that's false then no one should be obliged to acknowledge it in any way. If this was how we dealt with it then we wouldn't have to care but we have to care because men are invading women's spaces.
Actually, transrace make more sense, because that actually IS a spectrum. But if someone wants to identify as a cat, then fine go ahead. The line is crossed though when me and everyone else has to identify that person as a cat. This is the difference - between self-identity and enforced mass rejection of facts like biology and species. So you can identify as what you want - freedom, and I can stick to my version of things = freedom. Freedom BOTH ways.
I have poppies hung over my front door to remind me to take a backward glance prior to going places where the millions of courageous young men sacrificed on the altars of security and security can no longer go. I see people on social media griping about how their name was mispelled on their Starbucks coffee cup everyday and try to picture them going over the top at the Battle Of The Somme. I'm not really living, just enduring our current culture until the day that my breath gives out.
came for rowling, stayed for gold
I'm glad he mentioned journalists and other commentators who imply, if not claim expertise on a ridiculous range of subjects. I had always had respect for both the late John Pilger and for Noam Chomsky until last year when I head them both commenting on a subject I happen to be an expert on myself, which is Russia. I am for want of a better word a Russianist. I heard them both talking about the Ukraine war making apologetic excuses for Putin and to my mind just seeing Ukraine as part of the wicked west and turning a deaf ear and a blind eye to the entire history of Russia whilst at the same time displaying a staggering lack of knowledge about Putin and his entourage. It was clear that both Pilger and Chomsky were very confidently and stridently hold forth on topics they clearly knew little about. It was classic Dunning-Kruger. It was a sobering moment.
Gay men can criticise transgenders far easier than women can too.
Been in many social media debates about trans and the couple of gay men defending women and kids are treated with respect, whereas I and the other women trying to make our side of the argument clear are treated disgustingly. I even pointed this out to one of the gay guys and a little later on down the comment thread, he had to agree with me.
The owner of a gay magazine that was distributed free around gay clubs for the last 30 years plus which relied solely on advertising had his business completely wiped out after he sent a tweet in support of the LGB alliance. So gay men can’t criticise transgender movement either.
Confucius said : "The path to true knowledge begins with the words 'I don't know." Too many people these days have opinions instead of actual knowledge, so admitting you don't know everything is far more an indication of intelligence than just spouting of an opinion.
I think that was Abraham Lincoln who said that
@@thomasbarchen No, it was Confucius who originally said it, but it's been re-quoted many times by people in political office over the centuries. It even got quoted by the character Data in Star Trek The Next Generation. I studied Chinese philosophers for many years, and am always surprised when Western leaders throughout history take credit for much of their quotes :-) Even Russel Brand use quotes from Chinese/Japanese and Greek philosophy in his stage act, but can't elucidate further on what he says, as he just hasn't studied the context of the quotes, just uses them to make himself sound educated. Charles Darwin has some amazing quotes in his work that exemplify today's Woke culture, which he saw as a form of de-evolution appearing in the future for humanity.
@@MrCrystalwarrior1 I was just being facetious 🤩
He spoke excellent English.
Great guest. Very intelligent and funny.
You might not say that if you see him on Triggernometry livestream 😂
I ddnt want this interview to end..well done.hope this channel grows and grows.good luck.x
I love this conversation. These guys are the true men of the world.
It's not about the money. Rowling is worth more than Ricky Gervais.
Her problem is that she was seen as a nailed-on progressive and feminist, who's now seen as a traitor to the latest message.
Similar situation with Linehan- he was OK with cancellation of non- PC individuals which he has now recognised as misguided ( or even evil).
Gervais appeals across the board and his fans (and core financial support) want him to continue with his approach. He has ALWAYS been like this. He also controls the writing, production, direction and acting of his material.
Andrew im so happy to see your platform and your thinkiing grow. Thanks for bringing balance to this arena. Subscribed.
What a great interview. I watch Triggernometry content a lot and have always felt that it feels like Francis takes a bit of a back seat to Konstantin, but this has really changed my opinion. Really engaging speaker, nice one Francis and nice one Andrew for drawing the conversation/discussion out of him. Good work!
Triggernometry is one of my favourite podcasts, great to see him on here.
This was more a matter of timing , Rowling and Linehan hit the brunt of this at in the early stages, it’s horrible what it’s done to Grahams career
Andrew, you are a great listener. This is the 2nd interview of yours I have seen and I remain very impressed. Thank you for asking the right questions.
Fantastic interview & discussion. Brilliant content
Really loving this channel Mr Gold.
Bring back Father Ted. We miss it
He died 20 years ago
Love these interviews. I learned things today, thanks!
I've watched Triggernometry for a good 4 years.
I've seen Francis Foster's co-host Konstantin Kisin as a guest on multiple channels over the years.
But I think this is the first time I've ever seen Francis Foster as somebody's guest.
Anybody else?
I voted Labour from 1975 until 2019. And I switched to Conservative because I hated the way Labour seemed to swerve to the left ( Brexit) I am honestly like a fixed decimal point and the world moved around me. I’m. now as classed as right wing- and that weird because I don’t feel like I’ve changed at all. I support Israel, but I’m also worried to hell about the Palestinians. And as for the woke- I’m so glad I’m old and I had most of my life in a sane world. I’m glad I’m not going to have to deal with lunacy of the left. I’m glad I’m old. I do live Triggernometry and I like Andrew as well.
Ricky Gervais is an experienced comedian. It's hard to bully a comedian because they just brush it off to reply with caustic attacks on their critic.
Good on ya, Andrew, for starting this channel! I've only watched this video so far. It was a really good start - and I love the guests you've picked so far!
Any plans on talking to journalist Brendan O'Neill? He has a new book out called "A Heretic's Manifesto - Essays on the Unsayable". Couldn't be more perfect for this channel - in my opinion! 😊
Keep meaning to try him!
@@andrewgoldheretics Yay!
"Toxic masculinity" is a very unfortunate concept. I realised that years ago when I first heard it. From a radical feminist perspective, both masculinity and femininity are toxic. They are the two stereotypical roles in creating and upholding the power difference between men and women, the male supremacy. Men are living with the expectations to be dominant and women to be dominated. Women and men has to be socially created unequal. In order for that to work we have to see women and men as two totally different groups of people. For opression to seem acceptable there has to be a belief that there are groups that differ from each other. That's the one single condition needed for inequality, oppression to be accepted. Just as "race" was created for white people to be able to colonise others, "gender" was created to support male supremacy. This is the basic analyses of gender abolitionists. BUT that doesn't exclude the possibility for some differences between women and men. It just opposes the cultural compulsion to recreate the illusion of women and men being totally different. (Before Beckham suddenly putting his hair together up high at the back of the head, only women could do that. Men with long hair new that they had to gather the hair as low as possible in order to not be perceived as feminine.)
And no man can actually know what it is to work with only women or even be in a room with only women in it, since it stops being only women when he enters. And I would argue that it is a myth that women only groups doesn’t work. We see and notice what we expect. And when men gossip and have horrible fights, we call it other things.
Believe me, every married man knows what it's like to be in a room with only women in it, because they are relentlessly telling us about it in great detail.
Why do you think that women in their 60s, who grew up when 2nd wave feminism was actually at its peak and most radical, have almost completely rejected feminism, and now live quiet lives with their husbands? Because they eventually realised it was the extreme competitiveness of women that was making them miserable. Once they stopped projecting that extreme competitiveness onto their man, they found contentment. Usually sometime in their 40s.
@@PGHEngineer Well, that's your second hand experience. You are still not able to actually experience what it can be to be in a women only room, and which factors causes what.
As a soon to be 60 after about 50 years of consciously chosen feminism, I have a "slightly" more nuanced picture of what feminist women's only spaces can be like. Not that you world be my primary person to vent that with, but for any woman who reads this: as women grown up in societies with male supremacy cultures, we for instance can't help but importing illusions of women being less valuable than men. This can cause some painful patterns. But with us being aware of that we have the possibility to process that together in women only spaces, developing a deeper consciousness as a basis for liberation.
But women don't only bring bad patriarchal attitudes into our spaces. Women only spaces are in them selves an automatic allowance for sharing in words and actions in a way that women can do when there are no male egos around to feel obligated to feed. (You have no idea how often women laugh at your jokes, pretend that they didn't know what you unasked teach them, let you "solve" the practical problem they all along knew how to fix etc etc. All because if they don't it creates a social discomfort.)
Women only together in a space breaks the chronic isolation between women, since men's presence isn't neutral, but places itself between women. When the isolation is broken, the sharing, the defining of problems, the analysis, the strategies can evolve. The beginning of a liberating revolution against male supremacy commence. And women have the possibility to value ourselves and each other more.
Women in a room without men is the primary and strongest threat to male supremacy. That's why the trans activist males started with attacking (radical) feminists, our spaces and our ideology. And it's also why other men have no problem to go along with transgenderism. It was obvious that before trans activists increased their attacks on women only spaces, traditional "normally" oppressive boys and men were the attackers. They stopped when the trans activists took that role.
For women in patriarchy creating women's only spaces is the only way to escape, even if only for a few hours at a time. Patriarchy is a global misogynist cult, so we can't escape from it permanently.
And about working in groups with only women within patriarchy. After decades of taking an interest in asking women about that: most women think that the benefits are far bigger than when working with men. I don't have time to go into it now, but only to have colleagues who are more likely to take the responsibility they are supposed to without expecting praise for it...
@@BodilWandtblah blah blah. Come back when you’re 80 and do some editing 😮
@BodilWandt Oh Lord. What a load of piffle. I might believe a word of it if I didn't live in the UK. In my lifetime I've had three female prime ministers and for most of my life the head of state was a woman. Modern British women are not oppressed, which is why 3 out of every 4 British women dont want to be labelled feminist. But even in the past British women were leading men. Boudicca led men in their wars against the Romans and Elizabeth I led men in our wars against the Spanish.
If YOU hate men, and Lord knows there seem to be at least 10% of women that do, go off and create your own cities, with your own politics and even your own religion. Men really don't care. Nobody will try and stop you. It's a lot more impressive than hearing you rad fems wittering on about how awful the patriarchy is whilst doing your damndest to climb up its backbone and play a full part in it. It's like moaning about how awful the Nazis are and then joining the SS.
Maybe you could crowdfund it? "OK, guys if you crowdfund RadFem City we'll up and leave you all alone". That's got to be worth $100 of any man's money.
@@joanr3189 😄 okay. As you wish. I expect you to read it. 😉
"Opinion is the death of thinking" -David Malouf
'Light the swords, shove em up your arse & I'll give you a fiver' that made me spit my tea out laughing 😂. Loving this new channel Andrew 🫡👏.
Great show! I looked up Seann Walsh. Absolutely a great comedian! I could not believe the horror he was subjected to by the keyboard culture over a kiss. Following him and Triggernometry now. Thank you guys!
His point about spending time with experts being valuable is spot on. I didnt go to university as i have a terrible attention span for that kind of environment, however ive been on several long road trips across Europe with my friend, who did a degree in nutrition. In that environment, i found that i could absorb the information no problem. I now considered myself well versed in the field of nutrition. So by virtue of these guys interviewing the experts, i would value their knowledge just as much. ❤ And "Pdf files" was a great work around for RUclips 😂
The anxiety a person must suffer everyday, when they try to pass themselves off as something that they are not, and never will be, must be horrendous. I feel sorry for them being persuaded to put themselves in that position by a malevolent 'pharma/heath INDUSTRY' bent on making money out of them for life.
I'm glad you mentioned the food/health industry in such a light, because it is true.
I was just typing something along those lines, I wish more people would accept the ugly truth.... So many jsut don't want to you know, despite all the facts.
At some point these gentlemen talks about women hormones and their symptoms.
The real problem is we all think this is normal (extreme mood swings and menopuase symptoms) because that's what we have been told to believe.
Imagine us in the wild with debilitating pain and symptoms: how would that make us effective??
Women are told to be slim so we do diets: it negatively impacts all aspect of physical AND mental health (more than men due to how our hormones are in control of many important mechanisms!)
The SAD way of eating is a huge problem: what we eat reflects on our gut health, gut health is mental & physical health: AND hormonal balance.
So many women lose their period being vegan, they have anxiety, they take medications etc. It's a rabbit hole of problems, but we joke and get told ''That's how it is, women are weak.''
We shouldn't be this way and have debilitating pains and being told lies.
Humans aren't meant to eat sugars and carbs, even our bodily structures started to change over the years due to missing important nutritions! Smaller jaws leading to croocked teeth (they have nowhere to go), smaller hips for females (making it harder to birth etc), less nutrients in the milk for babies making them fragile so early: and then the babies start eating carbs and sugars right away. (Kids get cancer sooner, dibetes sooner, depression sooner, their teeth ROT much much sooner etc.)
We are told diabetes (to only name this one), is for life.... Are any of you aware of the massive amount of lies spread by the food & health industry...?
You'd all gain from doing research on that....
Cutting all sugars (including fruits, stevia etc), and carbs: and only eating meat/animal fat/eggs is the way to be healthy and regain your life.
Those aren't processed foods, adn they are REAL food. (Plants don't want to be eaten either, we CAN'T digest them!!! Cows can, they have teh stomachs for it. Many nuts and other foods CANT be digested, no matter how 'nutrient dense' society tells you they are.
And I hate how liars have taken this truth and twisted it (either to vilify it or make money out of it by adding lies to it) : because if you go an look at the MASSIVE amount of stories told by real people & doctors alike who are eating carnivore: you'll be amazed. I dare you, go check it out and read the comments. Open your eyes.
What have you got to lose? People get rid of PCOS, diabetes, joint pain, eczema, daily headaches, painful bloating, PMS, menopause hell ETC..... All either improved or gone.
I'm one of them, and if you call me a liar: why don't YOU try it and see for yourself?
There is no adds here, I don't ask for money or to become blind to a cult: only to do it for yourself and SEE the results FOR YOURSELF.
Why would it be so hard to believe when any of you can make your research and see how sugar is more addictive than cocaine?
Those foods are perfectly DESIGNED to keep us hooked, and sick.
For profits.
And then we are told that we are overweight and sick because 'you arent trying hard enough' : one touch of sugar on the tongue is enough to send the response to your brain, and the addicting cycle begins again!
No more cravings once you become fat addapted on carnivore: your body will go back at burning fat instead of storing it: like IT USED TO DO when we were livng in the wild.
Meat has been vilified so much: now we have sugary cereal at the very top of the so-called ''healthy'' food guide.
And eggs and meat are in red, at the very bottom.
This is C R A Z Y.
Please people, wake up: women, take back your life. Fix your hormones with a proper way of eating. You'll fix your brains, your body, and whoever aroudn you whose enduring your PMS or menopuase symptoms WILL see the differences too and thank you!
I'm with you, every step.@@FocusedFighter777
Keep it up. Good, interesting conversation. I disagreed with bits of it, but that's a big positive in my book as it provokes thought echo chambers are bad. Helps form ideas or understanding different viewpoints.
Good choice getting Francis on as Triggernometry has spawned some great conversations and he's also a comedian willing to take the mickey.
I'm a biological cis gendered (whatever) woman who up until the advent of social media had a relatively uncomplicated life, belief structure/system, and so on. Then I got swept along on the tidal wave of bullshit and after a foray into wokeism, I decided to sack the most toxic and addictive social media platforms (fudbook/insta/tiktok etc) and truly open my mind, listen to the guys I'd been told to hate, view others with opposing views with compassion, ditch the black and white thinking and have now come full circle. I'm back to relative simplicity and who knows, I'm probably a terf? But I don't really care. I look back with a considerable degree of discomfort and cringe at the shite I used to absorb and regurgitate but hey, no regrets, I'm ok now.
Great interview 😊👍
Good for you! You're not cis or a terf, you're an open minded woman who thinks for herself. Bravo on leaving the narcissistic cult of wokeism 👏 🙌 💪
@@RebeleneM thank you 😊👍 I really appreciate your positive feedback. As people we all need to lift each other up and have more rational conversations. It's great to not be attacked for simply being honest.
You’re not a ‘cis’ woman, you’re a woman. I can’t stop others from using this term to describe heterosexual men and women, but I will never use it to describe myself.
@@hotpod12 Cheers, that's how I really see myself, just a woman, no prefixes needed 🙂 I was being ironic but I should have put "cis" in inverted commas to indicate that.
Nah you're a woman... Drop the cis nonsense
35:52 ❤ the Lady Macbeth reference, so true. Great interview.
I wonder where these people who live in a common sense world come from. We definitely need more of them. Great interview
I think it represents 80% of the worlds population. But the fear of being labeled and losing friends or your job, income, home, or even family keeps people quiet.
Keep it up Andrew!! From the Across the pond . Hope everyone is safe there
We are confused to what is happening with your Chanel
‘Safety’ is not the be-all and end-all.
It’s his Obsession!
Instantly subscribed. What an interview!
I don't agree. Andrew Linehan got very serious and somewhat devastating amounts of flack and didn't get much or any support from the police or online content creators until it was too late. The men and women who attacked Rowling and Linehan are not the classic stereotype of the male misogynist, something else completely and certainly not all from men.
Most ordinary people don't engage online with extremists but in public, where Gervais aired his views, the silent majority rule and extreme views are more conspicuously in the minority. Not a good look if you're the lone dissenter in a room of thousands. On top of that, Gervais got his timing right. He did it when the tide of public opinion, persuaded by revealing documentary's and the like, was firmly on their side of the argument.
The sad part is that he majority can be bullied into silence by online bullies who appear to be greater in number than they truly are. Rowling and Linehan were isolated from the pack and picked off before the public literally got its act together. I think a bit of collective responsibility is in order instead of, yet again, blaming "Misogynists" "Toxic masculinity" for everything that goes wrong in a corporate dominated society that was actually targeting vulnerable individuals to make vast sums of money out of horrific medical procedures. Capitalism and medicine should not be mixed but I doubt you have the guts for that conversation, which is the true heart of the matter.
Well said. I was hoping someone would call that out.
PDF files is actually genius! 🤣🤣
"Cleen up your room!" Listening to people like him or you and Kisin, Charlie Kirk or Candace and a few more like ya'll is very enlightning and motivational. Good job, thank you for that and keep on.Thank ya'll
Excellent interviews. Loving this new channel.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire.
Non-thinkers have always been around. Before the internet they had to wait for someone who spoke out that they could latch onto. Someone who had some position of power however small it was, because they could not hide behind anonymity.
Great chat and great new channel, thanks Andrew and good luck with it.
Great interview, enjoy watching Francis break things down, it resonates with me as I have a similar take on it. With regard to having an opinion on 'everything', while ideology will have its part down to which 'team' you're in, for me a lot of it is just down to ego and not wanting to seem stupid for NOT having an opinion. I don't think this is a new thing just that there is a lot more stuff that we're supposed to have an opinion on.
Francis Foster is terrific. Thoughtful, insightful, and clear analysis.
JKR is a multi, multi millionaire too. She has a very large and loyal fan base, makes people a lot of money with her books and movies and still copped flack.
Which is why her cancelling wasn't as effective as so many other women who speak up.
Ricky Gervais wasn't cancelled because he's a man, he's profitable, he hasn't committed (and has made fun of all sorts of other targets in his comedy) and maybe the timing is different.
This is a brilliant channel. Can here from your main one. Love the concept and guests. This episode was amazing.
Love the “cycle” talk! It’s so true!
44:35
When the nazies accused him of being a Jew, Charlie Chaplin responded "That is an honour I do not have."
I think that was an considered answer.
Conventional wisdom says don’t leave your young children alone with even a lovely trusted dog. A p@edaphile?!? That’s crazy.
What concerns me is that Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is SO DAMN REAL and the constant virtue signalling, protesting, prejudices, cancel culture in my opinion is the same as passive aggression and it's abusive. Over many years people will begin to suffer the same CPTSD symptoms. Peoples mental health will deteriorate causing all kinds of further problems.
You are not free to think anymore and if you do, don't voice those oppinions.
"I want to be someone who makes HER own mind up.' -- (11 minutes in) 😂😂
their own mind up.
Loved this show!! Great work Andrew
Very good conversation. ❤
On next week's episode: Andrew interviews Matt Stone and asks him how he has the creative energy to create South Park, direct movies and write an award-winning Broadway musical.
The trouble with Francis's misogyny theory is that Graham Linehan was cancelled far worse than Jo Rowling.
Nevause JK has enough money to sue!
Even he (GL) says that he's noticed women get more abuse.
The important parameters seem to be wealth/security of employment, sex (and maybe other identity markers), commitment and volume, fame, and timing. Graham Linehan seems to tick every box other than sex for being cancelled. Just the wrong amount of fame and lacking enough wealth to be able to ignore being cancelled.
Was he? Did people go to his house and show his address? Have people called for mass boycotting of his shows? Has he been sent r*pe threats? Have people walked around with signs calling for his death? Are people wearing t-shirts and badges saying how much they hate him? Are people putting signs in their business windows saying FU to him?
Yes, Francis, as well as lineham take the misogynist narrative without any sort of basis. It's a curiously woke response considering he's generally anti woke. Gynocentrism is very powerful. Look at how much more successful radical feminists are compared to men's rights activists. I remember a survey reported by the BBC several years ago, showed half misogynistic tweets by women. I bet Francis has no data to back up his claims. He just knows he'll get applauded for saying it regardless.
Fabulous conversation with the erudite Francis Foster ❤thanks Andrew - wonderful new channel - wishing you greater number of subscribers very soon ❤❤❤
Many thanks!
Francis Foster is a superb analyst of contemporary culture. He’s brilliant on the trans issue and a star for admitting there’s stuff he doesn’t know enough about to offer an opinion. On the Harry Kane question, the answer is Bobby Charlton by the way (possibly!).
Super conversation. Thank you! This video finished mid-chore, and I had time to think as I quietly made lunches and breakfasts and prepared for my day. Two thoughts that percolated up were: lack of collective "story time" and the intense pressure to be opinionated about topics that take considerable time and perspective to understand. After the past 5 years, I have such limited space for story in my heart, I just can't commit because I'm so busy trying to find my own way through the ocean of voices speaking on topics that I have to push back on in a real way because it impacts me, my children, my family, my community and my country. I just can't settle on fiction because I feel like I'm trying to hack my way through lies or opinions presented as fact all. the. time. I remember my kid walking through the kitchen and saying: "I'm sorry you have to listen to this stuff so much, mum. I know it's not what you wanted." But thank God for comedy... I can at least try to catch live shows in my town's small club and for a moment participate in making space for jokes and laughter. And if I don't like the fricking joke: I wait 5 minutes and the next one comes along. I don't scream and cry and post stuff on media.
We are not really capitalists today.. we are being lead by a few huge corporations.
This is the content I enjoy. Thanks for creating the new channel!
I worked for a company that was 99% women. I can say it was 100% a supportive environment. It might be that because we were working with vulnerable young people it was important to create a caring culture for the young people to feel safe. I have been told about and have experience of an office based working environment which were mainly women and that was certainly tricky. However, never have I experienced chaos.
My gosh those three hours went by really quickly!!!
This is a fantastic talk. It showed an aspect of Francis that doesn't come across sufficiently at Triggernometry.
excellent interview and honest viewpoints!! 😊
lol talking about the PDF files in germany reminds me of brass eye sketch when america starts launching PDF files into space but accidently left a 10yr old boy in the capsule
My favourite scene !!
Lol. The difference is guys are menstrual (in terms of hormones) all the time. Women get a break heya
Indeed, men are easily controlled by their irrational sex drive. But they are too smug to realize it and love to consider themselves the more "rational" sex... Lol.
Love this interview!