You know if you oriented your map north you could have made it easier, also you forgot to mention converting the declination conversion. Not trying to be a smarta$$ but I’ve seen hundreds of students get lost because of this. Also the way we taught students to use their yellow lines it tu turn the yellow line to match north so when they were matched you could use the wire for point aiming and be precise with your movements
Yeah, pretty random. I was watching first amendment auditors, but I guess this might be useful during the upcoming Civil War. But this Civil War should only take about four days 😅
I have used a copy of the M1950 since 1973 and I was using it wrong until your video. I pulled it out of the draw and followed along with you. Boy, I learned a lot. Thank you.
I have an original M1938 I got from my Grandfather long ago. He fought in WWI with the Red Arrows out of Wisconsin or Minnesota. I don't remember which. I do remember he used to tell me about fighting along side the British solders in the trenches of France. I imagine he got it from an Army surplus after WWII. Above the Company name it reads: 8-45 CORPS OF ENGINEERS U. S. ARMY Below the Company name there's markings that read: MANUFACTURED BY SUPERIOR MAGNETO CORP L.I. CITY N.Y.. U.S.A. All the letters are upper case. Mine has the Yellow line reaching from the edge of the dial to the center hub that rotates with the glass. It also has a black line and three yellow dots that don't rotate. If I line up the N arrow with the black line, these dots are at 90 deg and 180 deg and 270 deg. My Grandfather did teach me how to use it, but I was very young and have forgotten. So, thank you for teaching me again!
32nd Red Arrow is still alive. Wisc Army NG one of the very best! Has beaten regular army units in field exercises often. I served in wisc NG and my fav uncle was in 33rd in Pacific in WW2. 32nd was a division then a seperate Brigade a small army in its own right: 2 inf battalions, a tank BN, an arty ( cannons) BN, a support bn. Plus Signal, medical, choppers, mortars. And a vompany size armored ( more tanks) scout squadron. From indian wars, civil war, ww1. Ww2 yo now it was one of the very best in the entire Army! CW4 Karl S.
During my military service in Switzerland, I was taught that the short yellow line - or it's equivalent on the Recta Swiss Army issue matchbox - was used to circumnavigate larger obstacles in your path - i.e a pond. Before reaching the obstacle, you would set your bearing from the long line to the short line. Then, you would walk the new bearing, counting your steps, until you were on the side of the obstacle. Then you would reset the bearing by 90 degrees and walk the number of counted steps. Then after walking this trisngle sround the obstacle, you woul reset your original bearing on the long yellow line.
So that particular compass must have had 2 short yellow lines at 45 degrees on either side of the long yellow line? In avoiding the obstacle you are attempting to walk 2 legs of a right isosceles triangle. That sounds like a slight upgrade to the night click feature. Did your compass also click?
Wouldn't it have been easier to use the primary bearing and decide on some landmark on the other side of the obstacle, then walk around it up to this landmark, and just continue following the bearing?
I just wanted to say thank you. Not just for the lesson and how to use that particular style of compass. It’s just your demeanor. You’re very pleasant. You clearly put your heart into this. It was just an utter joy to watch. I hope you are in the educational field. You are the instructor professor everyone wishes they had.
I have an old M1938 looking model. I learned to use a compass in ROTC in high school (1976). Spent a week at Army Ranger camp one summer and a group of us was dropped into the woods with instructions to find our way back to camp using nothing but a compass. We were given a bearing and a time limit. Yeah, we made it back in time (before pitch black dark). I keep a compass folded in my truck console and keep my cell phone’s compass app turned on with my phone mounted in a dashboard holder to keep my mind fresh and up to date re: bearings.
ROTC, 1980-1980. "Rangers" and Orienteering Teams. Did an escape and evasion and had the same experience: Drop off, bearing, and have fun cause it is going to take you all night to find your way there....PS, don't get caught. Fun times.
ROTC 1975-77 we learned about using a compass in one of our "Military Science" classes. We also did a week long field trip to Ft Devens; where we were sponsored by the 10th SF Group. Up until '75 we actually had a locked Magazine with fully functional M14s AT the High School. We took them to Ft Devens for our field trip and actually qualified with them, at age 16! Incredible memories! (sorry for getting off-topic). We used compasses during our Combat Patrol and Night Ambush exercises.
Same. I was in from 06-08. I went through everything they had to offer and thoroughly enjoyed my time in it. Summer camps, drill team, rifle team, raider team and flag detail. It was the best experience I had the entire time I was in school.
I have my father’s M1938. He was in the 5th Ranger Battalion 13:42 . It went through D-Day, and many other battles with him. I’m glad I have a better understanding of how it works now.
Cool story. Glad your pops made it and hopefully lived a long enjoyable life. That's an awesome(and functional/useful) piece of history you have to remember him by.
At first, I was like "It's just a basic lensatic compass. I know how to use one of those." But it turned out you revealed far more about them than I'd previously known. Thank you!
Prior to watching this, I was one of those who did not know. Your presentation, narrative, and sense of humor are most appreciated. Well done and thank you!
Ditto! Had to do the PLDC land nav. I was infantry so it was easy. It's one of the skills that I have really put to good use. Along with terrain association and being able to read a map. Never been lost. It's a real core skill for the outdoor enthusiasts.👍
Always in the woods! Loved it! My neighbors always wanted to play "Army". It was hard keeping a straight face all the time later on after joining-knowing I was being paid to relive my childhood!🎉
Thank you so much for your videos mate. I started getting into hiking last year when I moved to Hong Kong on a student exchange program (Hong Kong has incredible trails) and was able to do some great hikes around Asia. But I always used AllTrails for navigation, which I was never a fan of as I often felt I spent too much time having to look at my phone screen rather than being immersed totally in the experience. Learning how to use map and compass has been so much fun and feels like a considerably more natural way of navigating. It doesn't feel like I'm being sucked out of the moment. Your videos have been so helpful for improving my hiking experience! Thanks so much!
Learn how to navigate with only your knowledge.. no compass just the map... learn to create a compass from what you find in nature Learn to make a sextant or quadrant from nature Then you don't get lost ever no batteries and it's so fun
Yeah people go to youtube and forget there are other resources! My 1970's era Boy Scout handbook had a chapter on that style of compass. Oh and yes my dad taught me how with an M1938 compass he was issued in the USMC around 1950. Thanks for posting this, brings back some memories of my childhood! Well done!
It would be great if there was a class that taught this - probably in Gym would be good. I hope that you are able to pass on the knowledge that you have learned.
Glad I saved my 1990's scout handbooks. Never could find the old compass though. Ended up buying a cheap lensatic just for the memory of it, not that I'd need to use it.
I was a Boy Scout in the 1960s and we used compasses that were basically the same as the M1950. Though, admittedly, it has been over 50 years since I used one and I find that I did need a refresher on it. Thank you.
@55Quirll Don't feel bad. I desperately wanted to be a scout, but we lived so far from civilization that it was impossible. I bought a boyscout handbook & taught myself.
Some years ago while hunting moose on snowmobile off the Stampede Road north of Healey Alaska I was in a long, wide valley oriented east-west. Snowmobiles and rifles were permitted in the valley as it was state of ALaska land, but it was surrounded on the north and south by Denali National Park, where neither were allowed on a US National Park. All of this prior to the days of GPS. I did have a hand held LORAN in my machine pack but in the valley it was not any use. I also had USGS topo maps and a good engineer compass of the type you show. Problem: Dusk coming on and I had moved around enough I was unsure of the exact location of the road where my truck was parked in a lot. Temp 20F. Gas at half tank in machine. I stopped on a point of good visibility, got out compass and topo map and started to look at distinctive landmarks and identify them on the map. Then took readings on 3 of them and drew a back-azimuth line from that point on the map. In a few minutes the 3 crossed, indicating my location on the map. From there I could take a heading to the road, I did, got back and all was well. Never trust gadgets that depend on electricity when it really matters. It is the same reason I learned how to take a noon sight with a sextant and figure location from the sun tables. The same can be done at night with moon and stars. A compass only provides one axis of orientation. A sextant gives a lot more. They have guided sailors and later airmen for centuries.
What kind of Artillery? My dad was in a mortar crew... LOL ya I can see where if you are dropping shells down range from a new quick set up location where they would want to make sure you know what direction and where you are.
Used it in the US Army in the ‘80’s, but no one explained the yellow lines. Funny enough, I just used the long one as you suggested, I could never figure out why they had a 45 degree offset. I kind of thought maybe it was for going around obstacles or something, but never worried about it.
You mentioning obstacles jogged my memory from boy scouts. I suddenly distinctly remember my scoutmaster saying they could be used for that, I think in combination with counting steps or time spent heading off and then back on to your path. I guess that wasn't their true purpose after all, but I dont see why it wouldn't work.
Got 2 of these, and taught my 2 10yo daughter how to use them when they were 8 and still practice with them now. I also taught them other skills too, military based.
These are so cool! Nowadays people say "why do I need this? I have Google maps on my phone", but nobody actually uses Google maps where I live. Whenever someone comes to meet me, they call me and annoy me asking for manual turn-by-turn navigation to my location. There was this one time I was the one going to meet another person, and I asked him to share his GPS position. He said "Nevermind, I am going to pick you up." 😭 I wish there were more people who know their way around maps.
Because if you're meeting in some remote a hole of the world and they take this turn instead of that turn they may end up in a different a hole of the world. Don't be a smartass, give some indications, make people's life easier.
Me as a German girl guide used these compasses in the 80s and early 90s. After that mostly Swedish Silva, Finnish Suunto or German Eschenbach. Another special ohne was a so called "Bussole" from the Swiss army.
In the 1960's this was the compass I was taught on . I really enjoyed my cub Scout & boy Scout days . I learned life long skills & made life long friends . Best regards from Daytona Beach , Florida .
I always taught to place the compass on the map, set the long yellow on the bearing. It’s easy to see through the wire and see the yellow line at the same time. These instructions are probably fine, but I’m so used to navigating the way I do changing would be difficult. This also doesn’t instruct taking notes. Using the maps scale, calculating distance, reading the contours and pre-planning routes including bearing changes, counting steps, having a patch multiple strings of beads to keep count, etc. There’s a lot of land nav I’m used to that this simple video is not discussing. That original bearing on a map went past a body of water and covered some distance. And treated it like you’re walking a straight path point A to B. In my experience that would very likely not be possible as the land around most bodies of water involve some critical grade changes, meaning you would be mapping routes that are not in straight lines, and involve distance and bearing changes.
I learned map reading and navigating with a compass in high school. I was a junior ROTC cadet and we used the map of Tenino, Washington back in the 80s. It was fun and quite interesting. In later years I served in the Army and national guard for ten years. I took my land nav course in Fort Polk, Louisiana. Fun times back then.
CONGRATULATIONS! You're the first RUclipsr I've seen who knows how to use a map compass! I live in NW Montana. Considering the plethora of Woodman RUclips channels there are, I find it hilarious that I have to reach across the pond to find an expert! Well done!
Hi Eddy, I’m really not sure why but I have had (this year) 17 people fly over from the USA fly to join my courses and have already had some bookings from over "there" for next year. I often think that there MUST be folk over there that run nav courses. Not complaining through, I run a navigation training company so everyone is welcome. I think a lot of it has to do with the locations and the history. In the Chilterns (just north of London) we walk along roads which have been used continuously for the past 6,000 years - there aren’t many places in the world that you can do that. In the Mendips (South West England) some of the feature we’re using to navigate to/from were built, and lived in, over 4,000 years ago. In the North Pennines (on the boarder of England and Scotland) it’s almost impossible to go a mile or so without stumbling around a Roman fortification. And in the Yorkshire Dales (North England) it seems that each ancient dry stone wall has a story to tell. The West Pennine Moors (just north of Manchester) is littered with tracks created by the Knights Templars from the 12th to the 14th century. Etc. Etc.
I used a M1938 for decades. I never got lost. I got bewildered a time or two. Ridges and creeks not clear on my USGS Maps, when I got new ones they were there. I made it home with out spending a night in the woods both times. I grew up in the hills of SW Virginia, and everyone, Uncles, Grandparents made sure i knew enough to survive for days if I got lost. I spent a week with friends on a Primitive Hunt, we lived of the land harvested rabbits, squirrel and fish from çreeks, We hàd well timed flintlocks rifles and knew how to use them. To light fires primitive means, Bow drill, strike a light and filling the pan of a flintlock. To navigate we used the circle on the ground and a stick after 15 minutes I placed another stick on the point of the shadow and figured out North
Sounds like you had the childhood many of us wish we had - I never made it past Cub Scouts and wish that I had - I am 69 so back then Scouts were Scouts and not Co-Ed like they are now. If you are married and have children or Nieces and Nephews I hope that you are passing along what you have learned.
Me and my friends would spend days, sometimes a week, in the woods behind our neighborhood. We had .22s and matches or lighters, but most of the time, we didn't take tents or sleeping bags (its hot in MS). We had machetes or hatchets, and could make most of what we needed. It wasn't really large tract of Forrest, but it was about 20miles by 15 or so. It had creeks and small lakes with fish, and we also had squirrels, rabbits, and birds to eat. During the winter, we might bring a bow and take a deer. Unfortunately, that whole area has been developed now. Good times though.
Even worse is pipeline on map that was not marked on ground got me once. Guess homeland security fixed that problem, not marked on ground or map now. Still have some aviation maps from late 60's of Vietnam. Really should scan them so I can overlay them over google maps of the area today..
Hello from Finland! In my compass manual it says that the short yellow line is in a 45 degree angle to locate the north-east etc. direction as well. While hunting or fishing at sea i have the Suunto Elementum Terra watch that has a digital compass and altimeter - the only minus is its need to be recalibrated before each time using it. I prefer the sea charts etc. while navigating (and the pole star/north star [not sure which one is it in english] since the military) because its just more fun than just going on with some GPS toy for those "I cant even read and i'm so glad i dont even have to - thanks to the audiobooks!"- type of people :)
This is an interesting video. Partly because of the detailed explanation and also partly due to its staggering ability to sear the phrases 'short yellow line' and 'long yellow line' permanently into my brain.
I admire people who can read maps. The only map reading I do these days is I orient my GPS so that north is at the top of the screen rather than the map constantly changing depending on direction.
@@dave-d-grunt Don't tell EVERYONE but Its NOT either / or Belt & braces sir - In difficult terraine its just prudent It allows you to sense check both and leaves you an option if some loon is GPS spoofing
North up vs. track up is the biggest single failure of GPS for orientation period. When flight instructing aircraft owners that insisted on using North up, I could easily prove how confusion and disorientation WOULD happen to them. LOST... If you're traveling and not using track up orientation, you're not using a GPS correctly.
That's very wrong. Every aviator i know uses north up orientation. I use it in the car even. It's makes much more sense than having your map turn inverted on you@YankeeinSC1
Thank you for this video! I have done a navigation course as a mountain guide, and my instructors didn't even know half of what you revealed here. This video is an absolute MUST SEE for anyone owing this device. You have created a real gem of a tutorial - maximum respect, Sir! I really enjoy your videos and your sense of humour, all of them are highly educational and fun to watch! (A caveat on the hunour part - I am German...)
If you're a mountain guide PLEASE DO NOT use one of these cheap knock-off copies. If you want to use a Cammenga then I have a video on how to use them ruclips.net/video/FI7C8VlbYfI/видео.html But as a mountain guide I would think you already know everything in that video.
i've had this compass for over 30 years & just pointed it north. i really never had a clue how to use it properly, but now i do. thank you so much. so helpfull
Over 50 years ago, the Army had a 4 day Land Navigation Course in Basic Training. The course taught map reading, use of protractors, lensatic compasses, azimuth and reverse azimuths, intersection and resection. For the Performance Evaluation you had to use what you learned to make it through an Escape & Evasion course. Once the Army got GPS's , Land Navigation was put on the back burner.
I've had one with two glow in the dark lines instead of your white lines since the 70's. I bought it in a military surplus store here in Iowa. My father was a watch maker in the early 60's and took in a very old compass as trade on a new watch. The old compass is mounted on an old leather pocket watch fob and has a silver case just like an old pocket watch. It opens by pressing the stem like a pocket watch. The cover when snapped shut locks the needle from spinning to protect it. On the front cover are two large letters"US" indicating it was probably an old military compass of some branch. I have not seen another one like it so we never figured out the history behind it.
A great review of my day time and night time navigation classes in the U.S. Army back in the 70's! I actually taught map reading to my Soldiers. Your videos are great reviews for me because I no longer have the TM's.
In JROTC I had to learn orientation using a topographical map. In 1991 I went to truck driving school and we had navigation classes which were a breeze for me. I haven't had to use a lensactic compass since I left active duty. Keep on teaching...
Navigation with "old" instruments is so cool.. i started playing a sailing game called sailwind and really got so interested in how navigation has evolved thru history. its awesome!
Best video about the subjekt. I use the german Breithaupt Conat 3, most of the current Silvas and a lot of the chinese copies of the M1950 and Camenga copies. In my opinion the best chinese knockoffs is the copy of the old german WilKie (Wilhelm Kienzle) Meridian compass. Formerly a prismatic compass the copy have an lensatic sighting system. The only flaw in my eyes of these compasses is the way, the capsule is connected with the compass housing. The original WilKie was discontinued a few years ago, after Kasper and Richter bought the patents and stopped production. The Meridian was the only compass with an thermoelastic capsule and the manufacturer keep the secrets up to day.
My kids have both been through an orienteering course and wild land survival training. They may never need the training, but if they ever get in a tight spot, at least it will give them some basic skills to depend on. Not to mention the confidence factor.
Hoping they have the confidence to take the map and compass from whomever wants it the most. It always seems that the loudest people who insist on being in charge also have the least clue in those situations.
This was recommended to me today, and I remembered that a U.S. Army Personnel gave me this compass as a gift. For the longest time, I couldn't figure out how to use it. Thank you for this guide
thank you, i've had one of these for a long time, i always liked them since i was a kid, i bought the one i have now 20 years ago. i am 63 years old and of all the things i've learned and went out of my way TO learn over the years, my compass was always tucked away and out of mind and i never learned how to use it until now. i never taught my 33 year old son how to use it since i never knew myself. i will now make sure to teach my 8 year old son how to use it, maybe he can teach his big brother how one day😎. thanks again.
Interesting and educational video. As a cartographer and recent former serviceman, I bemoan the fact that this new generation don't even know how to use a map and/or compass.
One of my kids spouses was always poking fun at the gear I took camping; you know, the same stuff I took when I did the AT back in '72. He was always saying that our gear was outdated and no longer necessary and bragging about his fancy this or that. A few years ago I had him take a walk with me into our 'woods'. Our woods is a 120 acre corner of our farm/ranch which is one of the prime timber stands in our state. After an hour or so I put my day pack on an log near an old stone fire pit and started to gather things to make a fire. He asked why the fire and said we should be getting back to the house. I told him he was probably right and that he had best be finding our way back, I kept gathering firewood. In an air of supremacy he pulled out his phone for directions. Cell signals are terrible here and even worse in these woods. He got a bit irritated when his map app would not work. He tried to phone his wife to no avail. I handed him my old Boy Scout Pathfinder compass with the base plate and a decent topographic map and kept gathering firewood. The light bulb came on and he realized that sometimes the old ways really are the best. That afternoon he learned about map reading and orienteering. He eventually got us back to the house where he received his own compass from his wife who was in on the lesson. That compass and a map of the area to be traveled are always in his pack.
I had a genuinely superb geography teacher at school. Many great stories attest to it... But one day he took a party of school children up some Scottish mountain area he knew well. But was caught without a map and compass when the weather came down. The young female biology was back at camp and just about ten minutes away from calling the emergency services when they turned up.
I have an M1938 that belonged to my Grandfather. He arrived in France with the Army as a Combat Engineer just in time for the Battle of the Bulge. He never talked much about his experiences, though. Thanks for the instruction on how to use this compass.
So cool. Back in college a guy discharging from the Army sold me a compass for $20 and at my school library, I checked out a book on how to use a compass and map. So much fun when I went hiking. Still got that compass 30 years later!
I picked up one of these in an army surplus store in San Francisco back in 1975, It says manufactured by brunson instrument co. and has numbers stamped in it: "7-64" so I guess it was manufactured July 1964. I found it in an old box today AND happened to find your video by random circumstance today as well. Thanks for the info! I know more than I did.
After several times reviewing this video I understand now how this compass functions. My difficulty is that my Englisch is very poor. I am a Dutch speaking Belgian, but I really like your video’s. Interesting and well made. One of the best on the internet. I saw hundreds of videos about compass, navigation, orientation, etc, but more junk than really correct and useful content. Luckily I found your channel with many correct and informative videos. I will stay by my Suunto and Recta compasses. By shooting a bearing i turn the bevel (or is it bezel?) and look in the mirror to see if the needle is perfectly aligned with the direction arrow. To read the degrees i don't need no longer keep the compass that way. With the compass you show us, you need to read the angle by keeping the compass pointed to your destination without moving. That seems me more difficult, certainly if you have a little difficulty to read the compass. With the Suunto and other compasses it’s much easier to read the angle from above.
That type of compass (in the video) hasn’t been used by ANY militaries for at least the past 70 years - so anyone who was trained to use it in the military will now be over around 90 to 100 years old. BUT at the time it was the best available and, more importantly, it worked. I agree modern compass are much simpler to use and less likely to lead us off the path 😊
The moment I saw that thumbnail, flashbacks during recce course where the wire broke off halfway and lost through navigation. We had to check whose hair was the longest (I won't say from where but all our heads were well.. "uniformed standard") used it as replacement and got our bearings, good memories.. awesome video
Thanks for great video! I served in USN (submarine navigation) & later in US Army (Light Infantry). Marine & land navigation were major parts of my life for many years. You did a great job of explaining the use of compass features, of which (until now--as you said in video! 😁) I had no knowledge! Thank youu very much!
Had one of those as a Kid back in the 70's. Out in rural outback areas of New Mexico. It was a play toy to keep us busy. Guns and compass kept us out of trouble., Matches too. Didn't know the second yellow line concept. Thanks
This brought back a lot of good memories! I was taught to use a lensatic compass when I was in CUB Scouts in the 60s (by our Den Leader's father - a WW2 vet). When my boys got into Scouting (90s), I bought them orienteering compasses, but they wanted to know how what I was doing when I was getting a bearing on something with my old lensatic!
My dad had one when I was growing up in the 80's, and he and my WWII grandfathers taught me how to use it. Came in handy during Marine Corps land navigation course during infantry training, 25 years ago.
@@TheMapReadingCompany, yeah, I get it. I didn't mean the new version, and should have clarified. I meant that I was taught to use the M1950 model. You're absolutely correct about the new ones.
Our 7 year old grand daughters pulled my old M1950 Army compass out of my desk drawer and they were very interested in it as they were only familiar with the cheap kids version. So we went into the back yard and I showed them how to use it. Now they each want one. LOL... I was first introduced to this compass in basic training with a map reading course. Like 6 hours and they emphasized that it may save your life. Used it a few times in Vietnam and decided that it was going home with me. I just moved it from my desk drawer to my Army medal display hanging on the wall. Looks good there!
A bit of an aside, but your video brought some old memories back, thanks 👍 When I was a schoolboy, back in the mid 1960s, I bought a foreign made copy of the M1938 lensatic compass from a ‘Famous Army Stores’ shop in town as it was what I could afford on pocket money. Not military quality, foreign made, but it worked fine and I learned how to use it. At around 15 or 16 I used to have a Saturday job assisting my employer standing a stall on the town’s open market selling pottery and bone china. One day, trade was slow and so I took a break for a quick browse of other stalls. There was one which had mainly ex British forces tools, spanner’s, sockets, hand drills, hacksaws etc, some WWII webbing, mess tins, knives, no uniforms though. They also had a few pieces of US Army WII gear, and one was a sealed, so waterproof, plastic wrist compass with rotating bearing bezel. I still have it, although without its webbing strap, (radioactive?) paint luminosity gone, now brown, and as soon as I heard you say, “Superior Magneto …” I knew that and went to find the full name stamped into the reverse to see… ‘CORPS OF ENGINEERS US ARMY’ ‘MANUFACTURED BY SUPERIOR MAGNETO CORP L. I. CITY N. Y. U. S. A.’ I never use it now, just nostalgic thing I guess, or lensatic types. I’ve used Silva base plastic plate compass’ for over 40years. Years of backpacking, rock climbing and mountain biking, dropped and cracked, fell several 100ft when I was climbing, so the last one I got in the ‘90s when I was on my local MRT, and my go to is a Type 4/54. If you’re not familiar with the US Army Engineers WWII wrist compass, the one in the link is identical apart from that still has its strap. www.ima-usa.com/products/original-u-s-wwii-us-army-corps-of-engineers-wrist-compass-by-superior-magneto-corporation-with-web-wristband-dated-november-1944?variant=40798735106117
Very interesting! I learned how to use a compass during my conscript time. (being able to navigate with a map and compass was and is kind of "usefull" in those "camouflage hiking clubs" ;-) ) But the ones we used were from swiss manufacturer Recta, which is now owned by Suunto. And they were mirror compasses. Looked like the MB-6 on the Suunto website but were not in ° but in Mil. So one full circle were 6400 ' instead of 360°. (Makes no difference in use of the compass, just the numbers are different. But as the unit is always used when talking, there's no confusion) They were easy and practical as they take up very little space and are quite sturdy. I even bought a civlian one later on for myself (civilian ones are in °). And while it's in my backpack for over 25 years now when hiking, i haven't needed it yet. (Markings on the hiking routes i tend to use are good enough and otherwise i have a reasonably good natural orientation capability.) And i always wondered what differences there were with these older more complicated looking ones.
I have a GI 1950 compass, (since ~1957.) I've used it all over the world for hiking, minor surveying, and to figure out path problems on microwave radio shots. I trusted in it for years and it still is in great shape in it's cartridge belt holster. I was pretty much self taught in it's use but learned to sight and angle the lens to adapt to my eyesight. I never knew about eh use of the yellow lines, so thanks.
When my son joined the Boy Scouts I bought him some surplus gear off eBay including one of those compasses. He took it to my Dad who is 93 and was a lieutenant in the Army. He was in the Artillery and missile division. It was amazing to hear hit talk about using one calculate coordinates.
Was it the late 60's: or perhaps it may have even been the early 1970's. Regardless of the date, the first compass that was introduced to me, back when, was from my Bata Scout school shoes. Every pair was fitted with a small compass secreted away in their heel... my current fixation with the humble compass, now that we're on the subject, most definitely stems from now I know where. My compass collection is only rivalled by my maps, both new and old alike. But your understanding of this subject matter and conveying that information to us as you have... outstanding!
Wow, this takes me back to the Boy Scouts in the 70's. I had an M1950 (long lost) compass and on an orienteering test, I was able to hike 5 miles across mountainous terrain and through a lake to stop within 2 feet of the target. I still keep a compass in my vehicle and have about 30 different kinds. My wife says I have a compass fetish. I do not have a Cammenga Tritium compass, but I will shortly. I don't live in England, but your training courses appear to be fun.
I have the same exact compass I was gifted a while ago that was claimed as a USSR compass, and it's the same exact compass as you have, but with USSR stickers. Never knew how to use it, thank you!
Thanks for the info. I just pulled my dad's compass out to confirm that it is a M1938 W. & L. E. Gurley compass. As result also found it's rough value and wished I had looked after it better, as although it has just been sitting inside a canvas pouch, the copper wire and screws need clean or replace and the aluminum body has had some oxidising starting to occur probably in spots where the paint was scratched. Wish I'd pulled it out sooner.
I have 3 military compasses. I learned to use a compass in Orienteering as a Boy Scout in the 60s and eatly 70s...I am an Eagle Scout, recieving mynaward at 15 years old (04/1973). I taught my son yo use a compass when he was 11, who is now 20 years old...Life skills everyone should have.
Wow!! Thank you so much! I really enjoyed this video! Love the history, I learned something new! Nicely done, you explained so perfectly that I was able to actually understand the information. I noticed that the needle doesn’t move independently, like most compass do, interesting compass. Love your channel and content 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸❤️❤️❤️❤️
Please, a video on how to use the Brunton Transit (or similiar - I just bought a SVBONY F9134 for peanuts...) would be terrific. (Unless, of course, it’s no good for trekking.) Thanks for all your videos!
Interesting video as ever.I served 6 years in the British Army and never ever saw or used these lensatic compasses.Always base plate.They seem a tad long winded.Lovely video and superb waffle.
I prefer base plates, but I only use compasses for strolling around the hills. The US lensatic is designed for a specific purpose and, if used properly, it can give quite accurate bearings. Horses for courses
Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems to be the exact same compass we trained on in boot camp in the early 80's. I felt horrible how much I've forgotten. Thank you for an amazing video sir.
The compass in the video hasn't been used by any armies for the past 70 years. You don't say how old you are, so you have used it if you're over around 95.
I used the 1950 throughout my military career 1990-2020. And it wasn’t the Cammenga as they weren’t established until around 1992-1994. My compass was issued to me in Feb 1991. I still have it out in the garage in my old gear bags. They tried to get me to do a turn in and reissue when every one was in a panic in the mid to late 90s because everyone thought Tritium was so toxic and dangerous. I still have my military issued Tritium dive watch as well, although it has exceeded its half-life and doesn’t glow anymore.
Thanks for the video. I have used mirror silva ranger compasses for over 40 years as part of my job, and I have Cammenga. My late mother gave an engineering compass years ago as a gift. It has the two yellow lines. I never could fine out what the purpose of the short one was.
Great video! When you go from map to bearing using the reccomended nethod what about the magnetic deviation - don't you need to adjust for that like with a Silva orienteering compass?
Hi, yes you're correct, you do in most parts of the world. I have lots of videos about declination. This video was only about this compass. As I said in the video I have never personally met anyone who knows how to use the two yellow lines, so that was the main idea in this video. Looking at some of the comments, I do think that some people are confusing this compass with a Cammenga. The type of compass used in the video hasn’t been used by any militaries for the past 70 years.
Great tutorial! Still have mine from basic (Army) training days back in the early 70s. We were taught these steps during a class one morning and dumped in groups of three out in the densely forested, hilly 'wilderness' somewhere outside Ft. Leonard Wood in the afternoon. Given a map, starting and ending coordinates, we had to hit 6 checkpoints along a 10-mile course. Our team was first to complete the course, but we held back just outside a clearing approaching the finish, as we knew we'd be assigned some B.S. detail while waiting for the stragglers. It was a lovely fall day I'll always remember fondly. Why groups of three? I'm sure someone out there knows / remembers.
1982 army military police... ft McClellan Alabama... groups of 6 ... why carry the injured... but more importantly one should actually know how to navigate... I was with a butter bar lieutenant an e-5 seargent a spec-4 and me pfc another pfc and straight private.... the lieutenant asked if anyone knows how to navigate I said I do... anyway after the seargent and butter got us lost I said with all due respect mam I can get us there fast and easy.... got ignored 3 or 4 times until I said seargent let me at least explain... he said ok ... everyone watched as I gave a fast and dirty explanation.... he said sounds like you know what you're doing... I then determined our exact location with back azmiths oriented the map first of course... pin pointed our location within 10 meters ... shot an azimuth to our first way point noted a tree then gave the compass to the butter bar ... she said you need this ... I said not until we reach our way point .... I then sent out the private to a tree that was in line with our way point .... told the other pfc go stand between him and me approximately.... they both went out and using hand signs I aligned both on the azimuth Then said follow me to seargent and butter bar we went as far as we could and still see both private and pfc... we aligned ourselves with them and called the first man up to take our place we then went out again aligned with the 2 left behind and ... everyone but one understood how we will leap frog leaving 2 in place align then bring up the rear man.... seargent and butter bar said wow that's awesome.... the 4 lower grades then started running while the butter bar and e-5 walked at a fast pace... we hit our first way point within about 20 meters ... got the compass from butter bar shot point 2 ... and we then hauled ass... upon arrival at the 3rd way point I told the butter bar keep the compass you need to do all this so you will always remember because you are the leader... and in the future you may need this... at the 5th way point I showed them all how to determine north with a stick and the sun.... then using only the map... and the compass rose on the map ... to do that stick the stick in the ground and put a stone at the tip of the shadow... wait until the shadow moves a few inches ... I used a long 4 foot stick for more accuracy and less time you need to wait... 10 min rest time while sun moved... then put another stone at the sticks shadow tip.... draw a line between those 2 stones you know east and west ... sun rises in east sets in west... now orient your map.... and holding a string with a weight Hold the string and line the string on the azimuth you want to shoot Using your eye... you improve accuracy using the degrees around the outer edge of the map ... we then leapfrogged again... until the final way point... we arrived second even though our 2 leaders had us lost for about 40 minutes... the seargent and butter bar ... grabbed me and took me to the man running the course and credit to them they told the story and said I should be training in maps compass or no compass That was a fun day in basic training
You use a string with weight and hold as a plum Bob you sight the string holding the Bob weight over the map aligning with one eye looking at the string aligned with the compass rose on the map.... You can also make a compass rose easily with pen pencil or charcoal etc... put Mark's at 0 degree 180 90 and 270 ... it's easy to get accuracy by folding... then fold again.... then split each and you have half of 90 which is 45.. and half between 90 to 180 = 135 degrees Split each of those And so on until you have your full compass...... If you then take this paper and turn it sideways or the paper vertical with a hole in the center for a string with a weight .... you just created a sextant or quadrant A quadrant is a 90 degree of a circle So you just use 0 thru 90 degrees part This would actually be called an astrolabe ... because it's 360 degrees.... this can be used to navigate by the stars ... but that's another lesson entirely. If you have knowledge you can navigate with things you find in nature But you still need a map of some kind even if you draw it yourself
Lived in Waynsville/St Robert back in the 80's, worked on the base. Great deer and turkey hunting with muzzle loaders and archery on the base back in the day. If you were employed there you could get a hunting permit for certain managed areas. But the ticks...the chiggers....the poison ivy.....don't miss them.
@@jolllyroger1 Learned basic compass and map navigation when I was 14 or so in the Boy Scouts before they became a home for wayward deviants. The Scout Post was on a military base in Alaska and was well supported materially by one of the units on the base. We had a lot of birch and black spruce forest in which to train, just like the military. We were taught many useful survival and bushcraft skill in that time. The key in bushcraft survival is to know what you MUST do (and NEVER DO) and then find whatever in your available resources will give you that ability to find or make shelter, warmth and safe water. Those 3 things give you time and space to further trouble shoot your situation, wait for help or wait out the weather. Never leave home without them.
Very good video. Thank you. Running while Orienteering is why the instructions explain use while moving. While a student in Switzerland (1961-1963) we did orienteering for time under the watchful eye of the Swiss military, part of Switzerlands universal military training. You never explained the sight use to ID a target to keep you on course. I have three US Army compass’, a pre WWI brass version made in Paris for the Corps of Engineers, an OD green similar to the one you show with radium lines and N used in WWII/Korea/Vietnam, and a post Vietnam version (non-radium). Just had to pull them out and compare.
Thanks for this, my scoutmaster was kinda mixed up about this too, some thirty years ago. My way of dealing with it, again thirty years ago, was to know which radio towers were which in my valley. If i could get a bearing on any two I had a good idea where I was. I kinda figured out how to set my direction by the long yellow line, but got mixed up fairly often. I'm gonna watch this video another half dozen times, taking notes. And invest in a compass that has clicks. Thanks again :)
Im an American, with no prior interest in anything to do with a compass. I dont know why this is on my feed. However, i found it very enjoyable and educational.
How about using the yellow lines to chart a course to navigate around an obstacle, like a pond. Since they’re 45° apart, you could use one to follow until your past the obstacle and then the other for the same amount of steps to return to the original path?
Before commenting please watch the video. As repeatedly stated in the video, this is NOT a cammenga.
Great explanation! Love your style of explaining.
You know, that was intuitively how I used the shorter yellow line
Right I've now watched ALL of the video
In the text you say the Cammenga Lensatic compass is better
Err Why?
And is there a video on using that one?
Yes, I have made one: ruclips.net/video/FI7C8VlbYfI/видео.html
You know if you oriented your map north you could have made it easier, also you forgot to mention converting the declination conversion. Not trying to be a smarta$$ but I’ve seen hundreds of students get lost because of this.
Also the way we taught students to use their yellow lines it tu turn the yellow line to match north so when they were matched you could use the wire for point aiming and be precise with your movements
I don't know why this was recommended, but I'm glad it was.
Yeah, pretty random. I was watching first amendment auditors, but I guess this might be useful during the upcoming Civil War. But this Civil War should only take about four days 😅
For real
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@@CarrieWard-ny1zl There must be something in the algorithm; been watching Long Island Audit and this was recommended.
Me either I’ve never used a compass in my life I just go the direction google maps says to go.
I have used a copy of the M1950 since 1973 and I was using it wrong until your video. I pulled it out of the draw and followed along with you. Boy, I learned a lot. Thank you.
Drawer.
Lol
@@johnstarkie9948 English terminology is draw.
@@sirridesalot6652 No. It's still spelled drawer. It's just pronounced "draw"
Look in the other "drawer" for a dictionary
I have an original M1938 I got from my Grandfather long ago. He fought in WWI with the Red Arrows out of Wisconsin or Minnesota. I don't remember which. I do remember he used to tell me about fighting along side the British solders in the trenches of France. I imagine he got it from an Army surplus after WWII. Above the Company name it reads: 8-45 CORPS OF ENGINEERS U. S. ARMY Below the Company name there's markings that read: MANUFACTURED BY SUPERIOR MAGNETO CORP L.I. CITY N.Y.. U.S.A. All the letters are upper case. Mine has the Yellow line reaching from the edge of the dial to the center hub that rotates with the glass. It also has a black line and three yellow dots that don't rotate. If I line up the N arrow with the black line, these dots are at 90 deg and 180 deg and 270 deg. My Grandfather did teach me how to use it, but I was very young and have forgotten. So, thank you for teaching me again!
The Red Arrow was the 32nd I.D., made up of National Guard troops from Wisconsin and Michigan.
I have one too. My grandpa was a lieutenant in the army in Europe during WW2.
Same from my father love it makes it way easier
32nd Red Arrow is still alive. Wisc Army NG one of the very best! Has beaten regular army units in field exercises often. I served in wisc NG and my fav uncle was in 33rd in Pacific in WW2. 32nd was a division then a seperate Brigade a small army in its own right: 2 inf battalions, a tank BN, an arty ( cannons) BN, a support bn. Plus Signal, medical, choppers, mortars. And a vompany size armored ( more tanks) scout squadron. From indian wars, civil war, ww1. Ww2 yo now it was one of the very best in the entire Army! CW4 Karl S.
Red Arrows was the 32d Infantry Division, which at the start of WWII, was the national Guard of Michigan and Wisconsin.
During my military service in Switzerland, I was taught that the short yellow line - or it's equivalent on the Recta Swiss Army issue matchbox - was used to circumnavigate larger obstacles in your path - i.e a pond.
Before reaching the obstacle, you would set your bearing from the long line to the short line.
Then, you would walk the new bearing, counting your steps, until you were on the side of the obstacle.
Then you would reset the bearing by 90 degrees and walk the number of counted steps.
Then after walking this trisngle sround the obstacle, you woul reset your original bearing on the long yellow line.
So that particular compass must have had 2 short yellow lines at 45 degrees on either side of the long yellow line? In avoiding the obstacle you are attempting to walk 2 legs of a right isosceles triangle. That sounds like a slight upgrade to the night click feature. Did your compass also click?
First thing you need to do is locate your position on the map. Once done you can look at your map and plot your course to avoid obstructions.
This is one way to use it. Tritium ones nowadays also aid you at night. Just shoot your azimuth, like the two arrows up and walk.
Wouldn't it have been easier to use the primary bearing and decide on some landmark on the other side of the obstacle, then walk around it up to this landmark, and just continue following the bearing?
I just wanted to say thank you. Not just for the lesson and how to use that particular style of compass. It’s just your demeanor. You’re very pleasant. You clearly put your heart into this. It was just an utter joy to watch. I hope you are in the educational field. You are the instructor professor everyone wishes they had.
I have an old M1938 looking model. I learned to use a compass in ROTC in high school (1976). Spent a week at Army Ranger camp one summer and a group of us was dropped into the woods with instructions to find our way back to camp using nothing but a compass. We were given a bearing and a time limit. Yeah, we made it back in time (before pitch black dark). I keep a compass folded in my truck console and keep my cell phone’s compass app turned on with my phone mounted in a dashboard holder to keep my mind fresh and up to date re: bearings.
ROTC, 1980-1980. "Rangers" and Orienteering Teams. Did an escape and evasion and had the same experience: Drop off, bearing, and have fun cause it is going to take you all night to find your way there....PS, don't get caught. Fun times.
ROTC 1975-77 we learned about using a compass in one of our "Military Science" classes. We also did a week long field trip to Ft Devens; where we were sponsored by the 10th SF Group. Up until '75 we actually had a locked Magazine with fully functional M14s AT the High School. We took them to Ft Devens for our field trip and actually qualified with them, at age 16! Incredible memories! (sorry for getting off-topic). We used compasses during our Combat Patrol and Night Ambush exercises.
Same. I was in from 06-08. I went through everything they had to offer and thoroughly enjoyed my time in it. Summer camps, drill team, rifle team, raider team and flag detail. It was the best experience I had the entire time I was in school.
One of the most useful, entertaining and educational channels on the internet. Hats off from Germany. And thank you for the good work. Dirk
I have my father’s M1938. He was in the 5th Ranger Battalion 13:42 . It went through D-Day, and many other battles with him. I’m glad I have a better understanding of how it works now.
Cool story. Glad your pops made it and hopefully lived a long enjoyable life. That's an awesome(and functional/useful) piece of history you have to remember him by.
At first, I was like "It's just a basic lensatic compass. I know how to use one of those." But it turned out you revealed far more about them than I'd previously known. Thank you!
Prior to watching this, I was one of those who did not know. Your presentation, narrative, and sense of humor are most appreciated. Well done and thank you!
The expression "You've lost your bearings" suddenly makes sense now. Thank you for this. You are a fabulous teacher. Subscribed!
What a cool video. It’s been 30 years since I used a lensatic compass for navigation. Primary Leadership Development Course.
Had to do that course as well. They renamed it to the Warrior Leader Course
Ditto! Had to do the PLDC land nav. I was infantry so it was easy. It's one of the skills that I have really put to good use. Along with terrain association and being able to read a map. Never been lost. It's a real core skill for the outdoor enthusiasts.👍
Always in the woods! Loved it! My neighbors always wanted to play "Army". It was hard keeping a straight face all the time later on after joining-knowing I was being paid to relive my childhood!🎉
I did PLDC in 1974.
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Thank you so much for your videos mate. I started getting into hiking last year when I moved to Hong Kong on a student exchange program (Hong Kong has incredible trails) and was able to do some great hikes around Asia. But I always used AllTrails for navigation, which I was never a fan of as I often felt I spent too much time having to look at my phone screen rather than being immersed totally in the experience. Learning how to use map and compass has been so much fun and feels like a considerably more natural way of navigating. It doesn't feel like I'm being sucked out of the moment. Your videos have been so helpful for improving my hiking experience! Thanks so much!
Learn how to navigate with only your knowledge.. no compass just the map... learn to create a compass from what you find in nature
Learn to make a sextant or quadrant from nature
Then you don't get lost ever no batteries and it's so fun
Yeah people go to youtube and forget there are other resources! My 1970's era Boy Scout handbook had a chapter on that style of compass. Oh and yes my dad taught me how with an M1938 compass he was issued in the USMC around 1950. Thanks for posting this, brings back some memories of my childhood! Well done!
It would be great if there was a class that taught this - probably in Gym would be good. I hope that you are able to pass on the knowledge that you have learned.
Glad I saved my 1990's scout handbooks. Never could find the old compass though. Ended up buying a cheap lensatic just for the memory of it, not that I'd need to use it.
I was a Boy Scout in the 1960s and we used compasses that were basically the same as the M1950. Though, admittedly, it has been over 50 years since I used one and I find that I did need a refresher on it. Thank you.
You are very lucky, I am 69 and never made it past the Cub Scouts, I am glad you did and learned a lot from it.
@55Quirll Don't feel bad. I desperately wanted to be a scout, but we lived so far from civilization that it was impossible. I bought a boyscout handbook & taught myself.
Some years ago while hunting moose on snowmobile off the Stampede Road north of Healey Alaska I was in a long, wide valley oriented east-west. Snowmobiles and rifles were permitted in the valley as it was state of ALaska land, but it was surrounded on the north and south by Denali National Park, where neither were allowed on a US National Park. All of this prior to the days of GPS. I did have a hand held LORAN in my machine pack but in the valley it was not any use. I also had USGS topo maps and a good engineer compass of the type you show.
Problem: Dusk coming on and I had moved around enough I was unsure of the exact location of the road where my truck was parked in a lot. Temp 20F. Gas at half tank in machine.
I stopped on a point of good visibility, got out compass and topo map and started to look at distinctive landmarks and identify them on the map. Then took readings on 3 of them and drew a back-azimuth line from that point on the map. In a few minutes the 3 crossed, indicating my location on the map. From there I could take a heading to the road, I did, got back and all was well.
Never trust gadgets that depend on electricity when it really matters. It is the same reason I learned how to take a noon sight with a sextant and figure location from the sun tables. The same can be done at night with moon and stars. A compass only provides one axis of orientation. A sextant gives a lot more. They have guided sailors and later airmen for centuries.
A n overnight hiker got himself lost depending on his cell phone. Those batteries don’t last long overnight in the cold.
Mechanical failure is a thing. I recommend packing both alongside a portable charger.
When was this the 60's? All firearms are legal in National Parks and forests in the United States.
@@SaanMigwell Not sure about that. In the Delaware Water Gap National Recreation Area here in NJ/PA rifles are illegal but shotguns are legal.
This was the compass we used during my 20 years in the Army 1965 to 85. A superb piece of equipment.
Ex artillery man here, been 30+ years since I actually used a compass.. Sure bought some memories.
What kind of Artillery? My dad was in a mortar crew... LOL ya I can see where if you are dropping shells down range from a new quick set up location where they would want to make sure you know what direction and where you are.
That was great. You explained it a thousend times better than my military instructor many years ago. He didn't knew what the short line was for.
Used it in the US Army in the ‘80’s, but no one explained the yellow lines. Funny enough, I just used the long one as you suggested, I could never figure out why they had a 45 degree offset. I kind of thought maybe it was for going around obstacles or something, but never worried about it.
You mentioning obstacles jogged my memory from boy scouts. I suddenly distinctly remember my scoutmaster saying they could be used for that, I think in combination with counting steps or time spent heading off and then back on to your path.
I guess that wasn't their true purpose after all, but I dont see why it wouldn't work.
@@noscopesallowed8128 I’m sure the Army taught me that going around obstacles WAS the purpose. You had to count your steps on each leg.
The instructions say some BS about nighttime use if I remember correctly. That was 50 years ago so I may be wrong. I've always ignored it until now.
Got 2 of these, and taught my 2 10yo daughter how to use them when they were 8 and still practice with them now. I also taught them other skills too, military based.
That is great to hear, passing on the knowledge you learned that would help you and also teaching your daughters how to use them too
These are so cool!
Nowadays people say "why do I need this? I have Google maps on my phone", but nobody actually uses Google maps where I live. Whenever someone comes to meet me, they call me and annoy me asking for manual turn-by-turn navigation to my location.
There was this one time I was the one going to meet another person, and I asked him to share his GPS position. He said "Nevermind, I am going to pick you up."
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I wish there were more people who know their way around maps.
Because if you're meeting in some remote a hole of the world and they take this turn instead of that turn they may end up in a different a hole of the world. Don't be a smartass, give some indications, make people's life easier.
Me as a German girl guide
used these compasses in the
80s and early 90s. After that mostly Swedish Silva,
Finnish Suunto or German
Eschenbach.
Another special ohne was a so
called "Bussole" from the Swiss army.
I think it's boussole, which is just the French word for compas
Bussola means compass in Italian
In the 1960's this was the compass I was taught on . I really enjoyed my cub Scout & boy Scout days .
I learned life long skills & made life long friends . Best regards from Daytona Beach , Florida .
I always taught to place the compass on the map, set the long yellow on the bearing. It’s easy to see through the wire and see the yellow line at the same time. These instructions are probably fine, but I’m so used to navigating the way I do changing would be difficult.
This also doesn’t instruct taking notes. Using the maps scale, calculating distance, reading the contours and pre-planning routes including bearing changes, counting steps, having a patch multiple strings of beads to keep count, etc. There’s a lot of land nav I’m used to that this simple video is not discussing.
That original bearing on a map went past a body of water and covered some distance. And treated it like you’re walking a straight path point A to B. In my experience that would very likely not be possible as the land around most bodies of water involve some critical grade changes, meaning you would be mapping routes that are not in straight lines, and involve distance and bearing changes.
I learned map reading and navigating with a compass in high school. I was a junior ROTC cadet and we used the map of Tenino, Washington back in the 80s. It was fun and quite interesting. In later years I served in the Army and national guard for ten years. I took my land nav course in Fort Polk, Louisiana. Fun times back then.
CONGRATULATIONS! You're the first RUclipsr I've seen who knows how to use a map compass! I live in NW Montana. Considering the plethora of Woodman RUclips channels there are, I find it hilarious that I have to reach across the pond to find an expert! Well done!
Hi Eddy, I’m really not sure why but I have had (this year) 17 people fly over from the USA fly to join my courses and have already had some bookings from over "there" for next year. I often think that there MUST be folk over there that run nav courses.
Not complaining through, I run a navigation training company so everyone is welcome.
I think a lot of it has to do with the locations and the history. In the Chilterns (just north of London) we walk along roads which have been used continuously for the past 6,000 years - there aren’t many places in the world that you can do that. In the Mendips (South West England) some of the feature we’re using to navigate to/from were built, and lived in, over 4,000 years ago. In the North Pennines (on the boarder of England and Scotland) it’s almost impossible to go a mile or so without stumbling around a Roman fortification. And in the Yorkshire Dales (North England) it seems that each ancient dry stone wall has a story to tell. The West Pennine Moors (just north of Manchester) is littered with tracks created by the Knights Templars from the 12th to the 14th century. Etc. Etc.
I used a M1938 for decades. I never got lost. I got bewildered a time or two. Ridges and creeks not clear on my USGS Maps, when I got new ones they were there. I made it home with out spending a night in the woods both times. I grew up in the hills of SW Virginia, and everyone, Uncles, Grandparents made sure i knew enough to survive for days if I got lost. I spent a week with friends on a Primitive Hunt, we lived of the land harvested rabbits, squirrel and fish from çreeks, We hàd well timed flintlocks rifles and knew how to use them. To light fires primitive means, Bow drill, strike a light and filling the pan of a flintlock. To navigate we used the circle on the ground and a stick after 15 minutes I placed another stick on the point of the shadow and figured out North
Sounds like you had the childhood many of us wish we had - I never made it past Cub Scouts and wish that I had - I am 69 so back then Scouts were Scouts and not Co-Ed like they are now. If you are married and have children or Nieces and Nephews I hope that you are passing along what you have learned.
Me and my friends would spend days, sometimes a week, in the woods behind our neighborhood.
We had .22s and matches or lighters, but most of the time, we didn't take tents or sleeping bags (its hot in MS).
We had machetes or hatchets, and could make most of what we needed.
It wasn't really large tract of Forrest, but it was about 20miles by 15 or so.
It had creeks and small lakes with fish, and we also had squirrels, rabbits, and birds to eat. During the winter, we might bring a bow and take a deer.
Unfortunately, that whole area has been developed now.
Good times though.
And then you moved to Beverly, Hills that is.
Even worse is pipeline on map that was not marked on ground got me once. Guess homeland security fixed that problem, not marked on ground or map now.
Still have some aviation maps from late 60's of Vietnam. Really should scan them so I can overlay them over google maps of the area today..
Hello from Finland! In my compass manual it says that the short yellow line is in a 45 degree angle to locate the north-east etc. direction as well. While hunting or fishing at sea i have the Suunto Elementum Terra watch that has a digital compass and altimeter - the only minus is its need to be recalibrated before each time using it. I prefer the sea charts etc. while navigating (and the pole star/north star [not sure which one is it in english] since the military) because its just more fun than just going on with some GPS toy for those "I cant even read and i'm so glad i dont even have to - thanks to the audiobooks!"- type of people :)
This is an interesting video. Partly because of the detailed explanation and also partly due to its staggering ability to sear the phrases 'short yellow line' and 'long yellow line' permanently into my brain.
I admire people who can read maps. The only map reading I do these days is I orient my GPS so that north is at the top of the screen rather than the map constantly changing depending on direction.
I prefer maps to GPS.
@@dave-d-grunt Don't tell EVERYONE but
Its NOT either / or
Belt & braces sir - In difficult terraine its just prudent
It allows you to sense check both and leaves you an option if some loon is GPS spoofing
@@dave-d-grunt Maps have larger display too!
North up vs. track up is the biggest single failure of GPS for orientation period. When flight instructing aircraft owners that insisted on using North up, I could easily prove how confusion and disorientation WOULD happen to them. LOST... If you're traveling and not using track up orientation, you're not using a GPS correctly.
That's very wrong. Every aviator i know uses north up orientation. I use it in the car even. It's makes much more sense than having your map turn inverted on you@YankeeinSC1
I can say with full confidence that a Lieutenant will still get lost with any of these compasses.
Did you get %17 interest on your pfp
A butter bar is mos def getting lost!
Thank you for this video! I have done a navigation course as a mountain guide, and my instructors didn't even know half of what you revealed here. This video is an absolute MUST SEE for anyone owing this device. You have created a real gem of a tutorial - maximum respect, Sir!
I really enjoy your videos and your sense of humour, all of them are highly educational and fun to watch!
(A caveat on the hunour part - I am German...)
If you're a mountain guide PLEASE DO NOT use one of these cheap knock-off copies. If you want to use a Cammenga then I have a video on how to use them
ruclips.net/video/FI7C8VlbYfI/видео.html
But as a mountain guide I would think you already know everything in that video.
i've had this compass for over 30 years & just pointed it north. i really never had a clue how to use it properly, but now i do. thank you so much. so helpfull
Over 50 years ago, the Army had a 4 day Land Navigation Course in Basic Training. The course taught map reading, use of protractors, lensatic compasses, azimuth and reverse azimuths, intersection and resection. For the Performance Evaluation you had to use what you learned to make it through an Escape & Evasion course. Once the Army got GPS's , Land Navigation was put on the back burner.
I've had one with two glow in the dark lines instead of your white lines since the 70's. I bought it in a military surplus store here in Iowa.
My father was a watch maker in the early 60's and took in a very old compass as trade on a new watch.
The old compass is mounted on an old leather pocket watch fob and has a silver case just like an old pocket watch.
It opens by pressing the stem like a pocket watch. The cover when snapped shut locks the needle from spinning to protect it.
On the front cover are two large letters"US" indicating it was probably an old military compass of some branch.
I have not seen another one like it so we never figured out the history behind it.
search "Google images" and if it is out there you'll find it.
Might have been a Wittnauer WW2 Military Pocket Compass
A great review of my day time and night time navigation classes in the U.S. Army back in the 70's! I actually taught map reading to my Soldiers. Your videos are great reviews for me because I no longer have the TM's.
In JROTC I had to learn orientation using a topographical map. In 1991 I went to truck driving school and we had navigation classes which were a breeze for me. I haven't had to use a lensactic compass since I left active duty. Keep on teaching...
Navigation with "old" instruments is so cool.. i started playing a sailing game called sailwind and really got so interested in how navigation has evolved thru history. its awesome!
Best video about the subjekt. I use the german Breithaupt Conat 3, most of the current Silvas and a lot of the chinese copies of the M1950 and Camenga copies. In my opinion the best chinese knockoffs is the copy of the old german WilKie (Wilhelm Kienzle) Meridian compass. Formerly a prismatic compass the copy have an lensatic sighting system. The only flaw in my eyes of these compasses is the way, the capsule is connected with the compass housing. The original WilKie was discontinued a few years ago, after Kasper and Richter bought the patents and stopped production.
The Meridian was the only compass with an thermoelastic capsule and the manufacturer keep the secrets up to day.
My kids have both been through an orienteering course and wild land survival training. They may never need the training, but if they ever get in a tight spot, at least it will give them some basic skills to depend on. Not to mention the confidence factor.
Hoping they have the confidence to take the map and compass from whomever wants it the most. It always seems that the loudest people who insist on being in charge also have the least clue in those situations.
I just bought a cammenga compass and have no idea how to use it. The instructions are vague. I’m glad I found this.
This compass used in this video is NOT a Cammenga. For my "how to use" a Cammenga" see this video:
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No clue why this was just in my feed. But I've been wanting to map read for a while. And you taught me, in brief, how the compass is to be used.
This was recommended to me today, and I remembered that a U.S. Army Personnel gave me this compass as a gift. For the longest time, I couldn't figure out how to use it. Thank you for this guide
Thank you for showing us how to properly read and navigate while utilizing this *homonculus* of a tool!
Have a blessed year.
What exactly does "homonculus" mean?
You watch anime? @@FloridaDIYer
@@FloridaDIYerI'm not being rude. I'm just trying to point out where I learned the word.
During my time in the US Army I was an expert with the lensatic compass. I never used or knew of what the short line was for. Thanks!
thank you, i've had one of these for a long time, i always liked them since i was a kid, i bought the one i have now 20 years ago. i am 63 years old and of all the things i've learned and went out of my way TO learn over the years, my compass was always tucked away and out of mind and i never learned how to use it until now. i never taught my 33 year old son how to use it since i never knew myself. i will now make sure to teach my 8 year old son how to use it, maybe he can teach his big brother how one day😎. thanks again.
Interesting and educational video. As a cartographer and recent former serviceman, I bemoan the fact that this new generation don't even know how to use a map and/or compass.
One of my kids spouses was always poking fun at the gear I took camping; you know, the same stuff I took when I did the AT back in '72. He was always saying that our gear was outdated and no longer necessary and bragging about his fancy this or that. A few years ago I had him take a walk with me into our 'woods'. Our woods is a 120 acre corner of our farm/ranch which is one of the prime timber stands in our state. After an hour or so I put my day pack on an log near an old stone fire pit and started to gather things to make a fire. He asked why the fire and said we should be getting back to the house. I told him he was probably right and that he had best be finding our way back, I kept gathering firewood. In an air of supremacy he pulled out his phone for directions. Cell signals are terrible here and even worse in these woods. He got a bit irritated when his map app would not work. He tried to phone his wife to no avail. I handed him my old Boy Scout Pathfinder compass with the base plate and a decent topographic map and kept gathering firewood. The light bulb came on and he realized that sometimes the old ways really are the best. That afternoon he learned about map reading and orienteering. He eventually got us back to the house where he received his own compass from his wife who was in on the lesson. That compass and a map of the area to be traveled are always in his pack.
I had a genuinely superb geography teacher at school. Many great stories attest to it... But one day he took a party of school children up some Scottish mountain area he knew well. But was caught without a map and compass when the weather came down.
The young female biology was back at camp and just about ten minutes away from calling the emergency services when they turned up.
My feed is mostly about programming things, Im glad everytime something about maps and navigation pops up. Excellent host
I have an M1938 that belonged to my Grandfather. He arrived in France with the Army as a Combat Engineer just in time for the Battle of the Bulge. He never talked much about his experiences, though. Thanks for the instruction on how to use this compass.
Great video man. I went in the army in 1971 I got use the military compass very fast and they are pretty accurate. I've used one ever since.
So cool. Back in college a guy discharging from the Army sold me a compass for $20 and at my school library, I checked out a book on how to use a compass and map. So much fun when I went hiking. Still got that compass 30 years later!
This is brilliant, exactly how RUclips should be done. No waffle, well presented and informative.
I've got one of these, and I've always wondered about those two yellow lines as well. The explanation here is much appreciated!
I picked up one of these in an army surplus store in San Francisco back in 1975, It says manufactured by brunson instrument co. and has numbers stamped in it: "7-64" so I guess it was manufactured July 1964. I found it in an old box today AND happened to find your video by random circumstance today as well. Thanks for the info! I know more than I did.
After several times reviewing this video I understand now how this compass functions. My difficulty is that my Englisch is very poor. I am a Dutch speaking Belgian, but I really like your video’s. Interesting and well made. One of the best on the internet. I saw hundreds of videos about compass, navigation, orientation, etc, but more junk than really correct and useful content. Luckily I found your channel with many correct and informative videos.
I will stay by my Suunto and Recta compasses. By shooting a bearing i turn the bevel (or is it bezel?) and look in the mirror to see if the needle is perfectly aligned with the direction arrow. To read the degrees i don't need no longer keep the compass that way. With the compass you show us, you need to read the angle by keeping the compass pointed to your destination without moving. That seems me more difficult, certainly if you have a little difficulty to read the compass. With the Suunto and other compasses it’s much easier to read the angle from above.
That type of compass (in the video) hasn’t been used by ANY militaries for at least the past 70 years - so anyone who was trained to use it in the military will now be over around 90 to 100 years old.
BUT at the time it was the best available and, more importantly, it worked.
I agree modern compass are much simpler to use and less likely to lead us off the path 😊
The moment I saw that thumbnail, flashbacks during recce course where the wire broke off halfway and lost through navigation. We had to check whose hair was the longest (I won't say from where but all our heads were well.. "uniformed standard") used it as replacement and got our bearings, good memories.. awesome video
Last time I used a lensatic compass was in high school ROTC orienteering competitions. Nearly 40 years! Nice to find a refresher
Excellent 👍. I could never figure out why they had the short line. Thank you!
Thank you. It was good to read the comments also. We were taught map-reading back in the '80's, but not to this level of detail on a compass.
Thanks for great video! I served in USN (submarine navigation) & later in US Army (Light Infantry). Marine & land navigation were major parts of my life for many years. You did a great job of explaining the use of compass features, of which (until now--as you said in video! 😁) I had no knowledge! Thank youu very much!
Had one of those as a Kid back in the 70's. Out in rural outback areas of New Mexico. It was a play toy to keep us busy. Guns and compass kept us out of trouble., Matches too.
Didn't know the second yellow line concept. Thanks
This brought back a lot of good memories! I was taught to use a lensatic compass when I was in CUB Scouts in the 60s (by our Den Leader's father - a WW2 vet). When my boys got into Scouting (90s), I bought them orienteering compasses, but they wanted to know how what I was doing when I was getting a bearing on something with my old lensatic!
Try using that compass at 40mph in the desert, having 0 contour lines or features on terrain maps. Great times
If it's a sand desert, you can still see the track you left behind, and you can check how far you went into the wrong direction.
When the haboob is winding up you definitely can’t see tracks for very long.
Sounds like an Iraq vet to me!
My dad had one when I was growing up in the 80's, and he and my WWII grandfathers taught me how to use it.
Came in handy during Marine Corps land navigation course during infantry training, 25 years ago.
This is not used in the same way as a modern Cammenga - that’s the point of the video.
@@TheMapReadingCompany, yeah, I get it. I didn't mean the new version, and should have clarified.
I meant that I was taught to use the M1950 model.
You're absolutely correct about the new ones.
What a great video. Thankyou very much for taking the time to teach. Very important to keep things alive.
Wow! Thank you. I appreciate the thought and consideration that goes into your teaching of so many of these compasses and land navigation
Our 7 year old grand daughters pulled my old M1950 Army compass out of my desk drawer and they were very interested in it as they were only familiar with the cheap kids version. So we went into the back yard and I showed them how to use it. Now they each want one. LOL... I was first introduced to this compass in basic training with a map reading course. Like 6 hours and they emphasized that it may save your life. Used it a few times in Vietnam and decided that it was going home with me. I just moved it from my desk drawer to my Army medal display hanging on the wall. Looks good there!
It's not any more accurate than one from a crackerjack box. Compasses don't show true north. Put their toy by yours and they both point the same.
@@terryparker1694That's why some of the better compasses, like the Silva 16DCL, can be adjusted to compensate for magnetic declination.
A bit of an aside, but your video brought some old memories back, thanks 👍
When I was a schoolboy, back in the mid 1960s, I bought a foreign made copy of the M1938 lensatic compass from a ‘Famous Army Stores’ shop in town as it was what I could afford on pocket money. Not military quality, foreign made, but it worked fine and I learned how to use it. At around 15 or 16 I used to have a Saturday job assisting my employer standing a stall on the town’s open market selling pottery and bone china.
One day, trade was slow and so I took a break for a quick browse of other stalls. There was one which had mainly ex British forces tools, spanner’s, sockets, hand drills, hacksaws etc, some WWII webbing, mess tins, knives, no uniforms though. They also had a few pieces of US Army WII gear, and one was a sealed, so waterproof, plastic wrist compass with rotating bearing bezel. I still have it, although without its webbing strap, (radioactive?) paint luminosity gone, now brown, and as soon as I heard you say, “Superior Magneto …” I knew that and went to find the full name stamped into the reverse to see…
‘CORPS OF ENGINEERS US ARMY’
‘MANUFACTURED BY SUPERIOR MAGNETO CORP
L. I. CITY N. Y. U. S. A.’
I never use it now, just nostalgic thing I guess, or lensatic types. I’ve used Silva base plastic plate compass’ for over 40years. Years of backpacking, rock climbing and mountain biking, dropped and cracked, fell several 100ft when I was climbing, so the last one I got in the ‘90s when I was on my local MRT, and my go to is a Type 4/54.
If you’re not familiar with the US Army Engineers WWII wrist compass, the one in the link is identical apart from that still has its strap.
www.ima-usa.com/products/original-u-s-wwii-us-army-corps-of-engineers-wrist-compass-by-superior-magneto-corporation-with-web-wristband-dated-november-1944?variant=40798735106117
Very interesting! I learned how to use a compass during my conscript time. (being able to navigate with a map and compass was and is kind of "usefull" in those "camouflage hiking clubs" ;-) )
But the ones we used were from swiss manufacturer Recta, which is now owned by Suunto. And they were mirror compasses. Looked like the MB-6 on the Suunto website but were not in ° but in Mil.
So one full circle were 6400 ' instead of 360°. (Makes no difference in use of the compass, just the numbers are different. But as the unit is always used when talking, there's no confusion)
They were easy and practical as they take up very little space and are quite sturdy.
I even bought a civlian one later on for myself (civilian ones are in °). And while it's in my backpack for over 25 years now when hiking, i haven't needed it yet.
(Markings on the hiking routes i tend to use are good enough and otherwise i have a reasonably good natural orientation capability.)
And i always wondered what differences there were with these older more complicated looking ones.
I have a GI 1950 compass, (since ~1957.) I've used it all over the world for hiking, minor surveying, and to figure out path problems on microwave radio shots. I trusted in it for years and it still is in great shape in it's cartridge belt holster. I was pretty much self taught in it's use but learned to sight and angle the lens to adapt to my eyesight. I never knew about eh use of the yellow lines, so thanks.
I never new how to use a compass, thanks for this video. Saludos desde Chile!
When my son joined the Boy Scouts I bought him some surplus gear off eBay including one of those compasses. He took it to my Dad who is 93 and was a lieutenant in the Army. He was in the Artillery and missile division. It was amazing to hear hit talk about using one calculate coordinates.
Nice, I have had an M1938 style for years and never bothered to look at how to actually use it. Thanks for the video.
I have no intention of using a compass in the near future, but I just had to watch this video. Fascinating stuff.
Was it the late 60's: or perhaps it may have even been the early 1970's. Regardless of the date, the first compass that was introduced to me, back when, was from my Bata Scout school shoes. Every pair was fitted with a small compass secreted away in their heel... my current fixation with the humble compass, now that we're on the subject, most definitely stems from now I know where. My compass collection is only rivalled by my maps, both new and old alike.
But your understanding of this subject matter and conveying that information to us as you have... outstanding!
Very interesting, and brilliantly explained, Thank you! I never got past finding North and South using my analogue watch and (hopefully) the Sun!!
I'm not necessarily into hiking or orienteering but this video is surprisingly didactic and interesting. Well done sir!
Never needed to use a compass before, but that was really fascinating to watch. Thanks.
Wow, this takes me back to the Boy Scouts in the 70's. I had an M1950 (long lost) compass and on an orienteering test, I was able to hike 5 miles across mountainous terrain and through a lake to stop within 2 feet of the target. I still keep a compass in my vehicle and have about 30 different kinds. My wife says I have a compass fetish. I do not have a Cammenga Tritium compass, but I will shortly. I don't live in England, but your training courses appear to be fun.
I have the same exact compass I was gifted a while ago that was claimed as a USSR compass, and it's the same exact compass as you have, but with USSR stickers. Never knew how to use it, thank you!
Thanks for the info. I just pulled my dad's compass out to confirm that it is a M1938 W. & L. E. Gurley compass. As result also found it's rough value and wished I had looked after it better, as although it has just been sitting inside a canvas pouch, the copper wire and screws need clean or replace and the aluminum body has had some oxidising starting to occur probably in spots where the paint was scratched. Wish I'd pulled it out sooner.
I have a W. & L. E. Gurley as well. It only the long line on the glass.
Wonderful explanation, from an individual with a uniquely soothing way of explaining!
I have 3 military compasses. I learned to use a compass in Orienteering as a Boy Scout in the 60s and eatly 70s...I am an Eagle Scout, recieving mynaward at 15 years old (04/1973). I taught my son yo use a compass when he was 11, who is now 20 years old...Life skills everyone should have.
Wow!! Thank you so much! I really enjoyed this video! Love the history, I learned something new! Nicely done, you explained so perfectly that I was able to actually understand the information. I noticed that the needle doesn’t move independently, like most compass do, interesting compass. Love your channel and content 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸❤️❤️❤️❤️
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Please, a video on how to use the Brunton Transit (or similiar - I just bought a SVBONY F9134 for peanuts...) would be terrific. (Unless, of course, it’s no good for trekking.) Thanks for all your videos!
Interesting video as ever.I served 6 years in the British Army and never ever saw or used these lensatic compasses.Always base plate.They seem a tad long winded.Lovely video and superb waffle.
I prefer base plates, but I only use compasses for strolling around the hills. The US lensatic is designed for a specific purpose and, if used properly, it can give quite accurate bearings.
Horses for courses
Used one for 20 yrs whilst Serving. Dam fine tool coupled with a Decent 1:60,000 map.
This is not used in the same way as a modern Cammenga - that’s the point of the video.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems to be the exact same compass we trained on in boot camp in the early 80's. I felt horrible how much I've forgotten. Thank you for an amazing video sir.
The compass in the video hasn't been used by any armies for the past 70 years. You don't say how old you are, so you have used it if you're over around 95.
I used the 1950 throughout my military career 1990-2020. And it wasn’t the Cammenga as they weren’t established until around 1992-1994. My compass was issued to me in Feb 1991. I still have it out in the garage in my old gear bags. They tried to get me to do a turn in and reissue when every one was in a panic in the mid to late 90s because everyone thought Tritium was so toxic and dangerous. I still have my military issued Tritium dive watch as well, although it has exceeded its half-life and doesn’t glow anymore.
Thanks for the video. I have used mirror silva ranger compasses for over 40 years as part of my job, and I have Cammenga. My late mother gave an engineering compass years ago as a gift. It has the two yellow lines. I never could fine out what the purpose of the short one was.
Great video! When you go from map to bearing using the reccomended nethod what about the magnetic deviation - don't you need to adjust for that like with a Silva orienteering compass?
Hi, yes you're correct, you do in most parts of the world. I have lots of videos about declination. This video was only about this compass. As I said in the video I have never personally met anyone who knows how to use the two yellow lines, so that was the main idea in this video.
Looking at some of the comments, I do think that some people are confusing this compass with a Cammenga. The type of compass used in the video hasn’t been used by any militaries for the past 70 years.
Great tutorial! Still have mine from basic (Army) training days back in the early 70s. We were taught these steps during a class one morning and dumped in groups of three out in the densely forested, hilly 'wilderness' somewhere outside Ft. Leonard Wood in the afternoon. Given a map, starting and ending coordinates, we had to hit 6 checkpoints along a 10-mile course. Our team was first to complete the course, but we held back just outside a clearing approaching the finish, as we knew we'd be assigned some B.S. detail while waiting for the stragglers. It was a lovely fall day I'll always remember fondly. Why groups of three? I'm sure someone out there knows / remembers.
Fort lost in the woods 2 hours from my home... 3 so if one gets injured, one stays and one gets help. Remember the WW2 wooden buildings
1982 army military police... ft McClellan Alabama... groups of 6 ... why carry the injured... but more importantly one should actually know how to navigate... I was with a butter bar lieutenant an e-5 seargent a spec-4 and me pfc another pfc and straight private.... the lieutenant asked if anyone knows how to navigate I said I do... anyway after the seargent and butter got us lost I said with all due respect mam I can get us there fast and easy.... got ignored 3 or 4 times until I said seargent let me at least explain... he said ok ... everyone watched as I gave a fast and dirty explanation.... he said sounds like you know what you're doing... I then determined our exact location with back azmiths oriented the map first of course... pin pointed our location within 10 meters ... shot an azimuth to our first way point noted a tree then gave the compass to the butter bar ... she said you need this ... I said not until we reach our way point .... I then sent out the private to a tree that was in line with our way point .... told the other pfc go stand between him and me approximately.... they both went out and using hand signs I aligned both on the azimuth
Then said follow me to seargent and butter bar we went as far as we could and still see both private and pfc... we aligned ourselves with them and called the first man up to take our place we then went out again aligned with the 2 left behind and ... everyone but one understood how we will leap frog leaving 2 in place align then bring up the rear man.... seargent and butter bar said wow that's awesome.... the 4 lower grades then started running while the butter bar and e-5 walked at a fast pace... we hit our first way point within about 20 meters ... got the compass from butter bar shot point 2 ... and we then hauled ass... upon arrival at the 3rd way point I told the butter bar keep the compass you need to do all this so you will always remember because you are the leader... and in the future you may need this... at the 5th way point I showed them all how to determine north with a stick and the sun.... then using only the map... and the compass rose on the map ... to do that stick the stick in the ground and put a stone at the tip of the shadow... wait until the shadow moves a few inches ... I used a long 4 foot stick for more accuracy and less time you need to wait... 10 min rest time while sun moved... then put another stone at the sticks shadow tip.... draw a line between those 2 stones you know east and west ... sun rises in east sets in west... now orient your map.... and holding a string with a weight
Hold the string and line the string on the azimuth you want to shoot
Using your eye... you improve accuracy using the degrees around the outer edge of the map ... we then leapfrogged again... until the final way point... we arrived second even though our 2 leaders had us lost for about 40 minutes... the seargent and butter bar ... grabbed me and took me to the man running the course and credit to them they told the story and said I should be training in maps compass or no compass
That was a fun day in basic training
You use a string with weight and hold as a plum Bob you sight the string holding the Bob weight over the map aligning with one eye looking at the string aligned with the compass rose on the map....
You can also make a compass rose easily with pen pencil or charcoal etc... put Mark's at 0 degree 180 90 and 270 ... it's easy to get accuracy by folding... then fold again.... then split each and you have half of 90 which is 45.. and half between 90 to 180 = 135 degrees
Split each of those
And so on until you have your full compass......
If you then take this paper and turn it sideways or the paper vertical with a hole in the center for a string with a weight .... you just created a sextant or quadrant
A quadrant is a 90 degree of a circle
So you just use 0 thru 90 degrees part
This would actually be called an astrolabe ... because it's 360 degrees.... this can be used to navigate by the stars ... but that's another lesson entirely.
If you have knowledge you can navigate with things you find in nature
But you still need a map of some kind even if you draw it yourself
Lived in Waynsville/St Robert back in the 80's, worked on the base. Great deer and turkey hunting with muzzle loaders and archery on the base back in the day. If you were employed there you could get a hunting permit for certain managed areas. But the ticks...the chiggers....the poison ivy.....don't miss them.
@@jolllyroger1 Learned basic compass and map navigation when I was 14 or so in the Boy Scouts before they became a home for wayward deviants. The Scout Post was on a military base in Alaska and was well supported materially by one of the units on the base. We had a lot of birch and black spruce forest in which to train, just like the military. We were taught many useful survival and bushcraft skill in that time. The key in bushcraft survival is to know what you MUST do (and NEVER DO) and then find whatever in your available resources will give you that ability to find or make shelter, warmth and safe water. Those 3 things give you time and space to further trouble shoot your situation, wait for help or wait out the weather. Never leave home without them.
Very good video. Thank you. Running while Orienteering is why the instructions explain use while moving. While a student in Switzerland (1961-1963) we did orienteering for time under the watchful eye of the Swiss military, part of Switzerlands universal military training. You never explained the sight use to ID a target to keep you on course. I have three US Army compass’, a pre WWI brass version made in Paris for the Corps of Engineers, an OD green similar to the one you show with radium lines and N used in WWII/Korea/Vietnam, and a post Vietnam version (non-radium). Just had to pull them out and compare.
Thank very much, sir may have a copy of the instructional m1950 compass or maybe you have a link to download it
Excellent vid people really have to learn this navigation this is the kinda of stuff they should be teaching kids in schools liked and subscribed
Thanks for this, my scoutmaster was kinda mixed up about this too, some thirty years ago. My way of dealing with it, again thirty years ago, was to know which radio towers were which in my valley. If i could get a bearing on any two I had a good idea where I was. I kinda figured out how to set my direction by the long yellow line, but got mixed up fairly often. I'm gonna watch this video another half dozen times, taking notes. And invest in a compass that has clicks. Thanks again :)
Thank you sir ! ! !Now I can use my compass wich I got at my birthday.And by the way,great respect to navigators of old sail ships of the past.
Im an American, with no prior interest in anything to do with a compass. I dont know why this is on my feed. However, i found it very enjoyable and educational.
How about using the yellow lines to chart a course to navigate around an obstacle, like a pond. Since they’re 45° apart, you could use one to follow until your past the obstacle and then the other for the same amount of steps to return to the original path?