Loved hearing about remote wargaming experiences, my group would've loved to do this but didn't have the equipment or no how. Perhaps you could do a video showing us what is involved?
Excellent video! It’s great to see friends look for solutions to problems rather than complaining and being miserable- the internet is supposed to unite the world- these examples are living proof!
What's remote wargaming Lee. I live in Normandy and game a couple of times a year in the UK and twice monthly here in France. The gamers at the club speak English, English and French and just French. The rules we use have come from English companies who some times have translated the rules into French and we play French authored rules that have been translated into English. There are always interesting translation glitches in each direction, but usually the rules are on the same pages regardless of language. All the games are historical and it is interesting to see the English gaming and materials and how the French see the hobby. So I am remote here in France, but have continued to game.
What you describe is one of the challenges of historic wargaming, in a historic context. That being, historically, rarely do two armies face each other with equal firepower or capability. One side in this historic context, has to be willing to take to battle knowing they are the underdog, and / or historically the loser. For me personally, that is why I play historic wargames. Playing those engagements where the underdog manages to pull out a victory is part of the thrill.
Years ago, when I was in the Society of Ancients, I played some play by mail (PBM) games which I found enjoyable. Orders were given and events were reported as they happened turn by turn, The fog-of-war was complete as only the umpire knew the whole picture. I never played by zoom preferring instead a slog of painting and playing Neil Thomas' One Hour Wargames and his Ancient and Medieval Wargaming. Lockdown was when I almost completed my Lead Mountain.
Hi Lee. Our group did the same during lockdown with weekly games hosted over Zoom, but this has stopped entirely when things returned to normal, we have the advantage in our small group to host games at several of our homes. What we did do differently though was hiring a local community room in a village hall for big games on the occasional Sunday, and this now includes us inviting others from the wider ‘community’ to join us when we organise these.
But you couldn't do that during lock down. Remote wargaming could enhance our physical games by including some remote strategy play as a build up to the game?
I love the social side of Wargaming and will never give it up, but embracing remote games has allowed my group to play even on a weekday evening when we normally couldn't in person. It's added to our repertoire, not replaced in person gaming. And during lockdown it was all we had.
We did the remote painting sessions but as group didn't do any gaming remotely during the pandemic. We occasionally get together online for painting sessions still.
Great video Lee. Nice to catch up with you today at partizan. Keep miniature kingdoms in mind if you visit Ely. I have done that with my friend in Colorado playing flames of war , which I enjoyed very much😊
I'd love to see one of these remote games in action. Would you be able to record and post one? Even quick DBA game would of interest to see how it works.
Remote Wargaming is an extension of the hobby. It worked really well during lockdown. Regularly use it for smaller campaign games that wouldn't be worth playing in person. Saves on travel time. A one hour round trip saved means two extra hours gaming and a chance to actually finish a game! Much prefer in person, though.
Hard to tell without more visual examples of what it looks like for the players. Does the umpire control/show the table and follow your instructions, where players only show their dice rolls?
The Umpire hosts the game using a Zoom conference call online. He has the table set up and two cameras viewing from each side. Players can see the table, issue orders and roll dice, with the umpire moving units and managing the rules. Players can also chat with each other publicly or send private notes to other players on their side. It all works surprisingly well.
@leonleese4919 it's a we based conference took often used by businesses. The subscribed version allows something like 100 people to take part see each other and communicate via a chat page. I've used it a lot for work conferences and training for instance. On a much smaller scale it's perfect for getting a group of gamers together so that we can see each other, interact.
@@MiniatureAdventuresTV so the umpire needs to have both armies available and the table, scenery and a scenario. It could apply to small skirmish games such as Sharp Practice or I Ain’t Been Shot Mum?
@@leonleese4919 Yep, both games would work well, Jon's games are slightly different, he uses hex terrain, so there's no problems with Jon understanding the players wishes, e.g move 1 hex forward and 1 to the right. It would just take a little more time for Jon to move the figures if in say Sharp Practise, but it still works fine.
Tried the Simulator for boardgames, but was'nt excited by it. Our RPG group Migranten to VT and stayed there. Our weekly meetings in person were reduced to a monthly meeting. Mostly monthly at the moment. I'm still not sure whether this development is good or bad. Time will tell...
I would argue it is possible that a remote tabletop miniature game, assuming "convenient tech" is available, might qualify, as a tabletop interaction. However the convenient tech is a serious cost, and if not working correctly, likely a non-starter. I do mostly solo gaming anyway, so not a big deal to me as a hobbyist. I would suggest, that considering the reality of the exaggerations of the risk being presented by experts, we shouldn't let that stop us from interacting face to face. But don't mind me. I don't trust the state.
Loved hearing about remote wargaming experiences, my group would've loved to do this but didn't have the equipment or no how. Perhaps you could do a video showing us what is involved?
Excellent video! It’s great to see friends look for solutions to problems rather than complaining and being miserable- the internet is supposed to unite the world- these examples are living proof!
What's remote wargaming Lee. I live in Normandy and game a couple of times a year in the UK and twice monthly here in France. The gamers at the club speak English, English and French and just French. The rules we use have come from English companies who some times have translated the rules into French and we play French authored rules that have been translated into English. There are always interesting translation glitches in each direction, but usually the rules are on the same pages regardless of language.
All the games are historical and it is interesting to see the English gaming and materials and how the French see the hobby.
So I am remote here in France, but have continued to game.
What you describe is one of the challenges of historic wargaming, in a historic context. That being, historically, rarely do two armies face each other with equal firepower or capability. One side in this historic context, has to be willing to take to battle knowing they are the underdog, and / or historically the loser.
For me personally, that is why I play historic wargames. Playing those engagements where the underdog manages to pull out a victory is part of the thrill.
Years ago, when I was in the Society of Ancients, I played some play by mail (PBM) games which I found enjoyable. Orders were given and events were reported as they happened turn by turn, The fog-of-war was complete as only the umpire knew the whole picture. I never played by zoom preferring instead a slog of painting and playing Neil Thomas' One Hour Wargames and his Ancient and Medieval Wargaming. Lockdown was when I almost completed my Lead Mountain.
Hi Lee. Our group did the same during lockdown with weekly games hosted over Zoom, but this has stopped entirely when things returned to normal, we have the advantage in our small group to host games at several of our homes. What we did do differently though was hiring a local community room in a village hall for big games on the occasional Sunday, and this now includes us inviting others from the wider ‘community’ to join us when we organise these.
I do wargaming to get out and meet people, once its all done through a screen i might as well play computer games as a whole instead.
But you couldn't do that during lock down. Remote wargaming could enhance our physical games by including some remote strategy play as a build up to the game?
I love the social side of Wargaming and will never give it up, but embracing remote games has allowed my group to play even on a weekday evening when we normally couldn't in person. It's added to our repertoire, not replaced in person gaming. And during lockdown it was all we had.
We did the remote painting sessions but as group didn't do any gaming remotely during the pandemic. We occasionally get together online for painting sessions still.
thanks!
Great video Lee. Nice to catch up with you today at partizan. Keep miniature kingdoms in mind if you visit Ely. I have done that with my friend in Colorado playing flames of war , which I enjoyed very much😊
I'd love to see one of these remote games in action. Would you be able to record and post one? Even quick DBA game would of interest to see how it works.
I've seen a couple. The gaming board and gym cover most of the the screen with the players usually at the bottom on camera
Remote Wargaming is an extension of the hobby. It worked really well during lockdown. Regularly use it for smaller campaign games that wouldn't be worth playing in person. Saves on travel time. A one hour round trip saved means two extra hours gaming and a chance to actually finish a game! Much prefer in person, though.
Hard to tell without more visual examples of what it looks like for the players. Does the umpire control/show the table and follow your instructions, where players only show their dice rolls?
How does it work?
Such as do both sides set up a replica of the opponents a table or is it run by the umpire with orders mailed to the umpire?
The Umpire hosts the game using a Zoom conference call online. He has the table set up and two cameras viewing from each side. Players can see the table, issue orders and roll dice, with the umpire moving units and managing the rules. Players can also chat with each other publicly or send private notes to other players on their side. It all works surprisingly well.
@@MiniatureAdventuresTV
Thanks!
zoom? I presume that’s a windows program. That will give me an excuse to update my old machine🙂
@leonleese4919 it's a we based conference took often used by businesses. The subscribed version allows something like 100 people to take part see each other and communicate via a chat page. I've used it a lot for work conferences and training for instance. On a much smaller scale it's perfect for getting a group of gamers together so that we can see each other, interact.
@@MiniatureAdventuresTV so the umpire needs to have both armies available and the table, scenery and a scenario.
It could apply to small skirmish games such as Sharp Practice or I Ain’t Been Shot Mum?
@@leonleese4919 Yep, both games would work well, Jon's games are slightly different, he uses hex terrain, so there's no problems with Jon understanding the players wishes, e.g move 1 hex forward and 1 to the right. It would just take a little more time for Jon to move the figures if in say Sharp Practise, but it still works fine.
Tried the Simulator for boardgames, but was'nt excited by it. Our RPG group Migranten to VT and stayed there. Our weekly meetings in person were reduced to a monthly meeting. Mostly monthly at the moment.
I'm still not sure whether this development is good or bad. Time will tell...
Never tried remote wargamig. Sounds interesting, but prefer face to face gaming.
I have seen it and it’s worse than being in the same room as other wargamers.
I would argue it is possible that a remote tabletop miniature game, assuming "convenient tech" is available, might qualify, as a tabletop interaction.
However the convenient tech is a serious cost, and if not working correctly, likely a non-starter.
I do mostly solo gaming anyway, so not a big deal to me as a hobbyist.
I would suggest, that considering the reality of the exaggerations of the risk being presented by experts, we shouldn't let that stop us from interacting face to face.
But don't mind me. I don't trust the state.