I TRY THE CHEAPEST 200 AMP MIG WELDER ON AMAZON - $250 TOOLIOM 200A
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
- Will a $250 MIG welder do the job or is it just cheep garbage?
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Thanks for the video. Just bought a Tooliom 135 for $67 on Amazon for thin gage stick welding. Taking a welding class now. Looking forward to practicing with it. Saving for a Miller or a PrimeWeld TIG machine.
the problem is this welder along with other cheap welders is the electronics fail at a high rate. If you get an inexpensive welder make sure it is all manual adjustments, you are less likely to have it fail then the ones with all the bells and whistles .
These inexpensive welders are getting really really good.
Good point about there being far more options today. Back in the day it was Lincoln, Miller, Hobart for quality units and then the low end junk for 200-300.
Now the legacy brands cost even more and you have to go under 200 to find junk. Lots of good options from $250-500.
Thank you for a good, real world review. Also really nice welds!
This welder puts out good heat. That and stick capabilities sold me. I'm ordering one asap.
So true about being under a vechile not able to see, reach, or clean. Typically swearing is involved from being burned
Yes it is. You cant help it lol.
very helpful review , i was shopping around for a MIG machine and i think i have found what i will buy
Hell I do mobile welding for a living, I bought this one a couple months ago and I run .035 solid wire and 85/15 damn near all day with this machine. I like the shit out of it!
It's a great welder at any price. The fact it's cheap, is a bonus.
Do you know what the max amperage is in 110v?
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I've seen in a recent video it just above 160amps.
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Great review Chuck. I've been doing simple R&R for years on my rock crawler and was looking for a good cheap welder just to get started! I'll post my review soon.
You will like it. It's hard to miss a setting on this thing. It has a super wide sweet spot.
Great video, i was looking for a review of this particular machine. After seeing someone reviving car batteries with it as well. Multifunctional machine.
Cool.
I just picked one up local for $130.
I haven't got to use it yet but the seller plugged it in and it booted up.
None of the cables have ever been installed.
It has one tiny crack in the plastic.
For $130 off the current Amazon sale price, I can live with that.
That's a steal. Great welder.
Just got mine set up and first welds, I'm impressed! I used to weld with high end production machines (pulsed spray) and this thing is easy to use and made nice welds. Blew the breaker real fast on 110v when I cranked it all the way. Going to get a 220 outlet soon
It welds better on 220 even at lower amp settings. Definetly worth a couple new outlets.
220 way better
Great video, really helped with the ease of setup on mine. I only had access to 110 at home and noticed it wouldn’t go over 165A. I have 220 at work where I’ll be using it, just asking if that was normal?
@@rpmchuck-nitrouschronicles hey men whats upp how a going with your tooliom?? if everything is good i will get mine today
@@joshuacroes6118still doing great. I use it a lot. It has caused me to practically stop TIG welding anything if it isn't chromoly or aluminum. I just released a new video the other day where I modified the upper torque boxes on a Mustang using the Tooliom.
I just bought one form ebay for $223.00 I can't wait to use it. Thanks a lot for the description that was very helpful.
It's crazy they are that cheap. You will like it.
Running this thing on 220 makes a big difference in performance. Your video helped so much with setting mine up. Great job
When u went to a 220 outlet did it go all the way up to 200 amps? Was that the issue?
I've been trying to make up my mind on this welder for a while... Between this fantastic video and the fact the welder price has dropped it's forcing my hand.
Great video, thanks for all the great information
Thanks for the compliment brother.
Great review, comprehensive and chock full of great info. Have you done any mig welding with automotive metal thicknesses? If so, how well did that work? Sometimes the more powerful welders don't do too well at handling lower currents needed for welding sheet metal.
I did some thin stuff on a project for my wife. It did nice. Although when doing any kind of sheet metal, I go with a stitch method and skip around to allow the metal to cool. If the metal builds any heat much, you will get in trouble quick with blow outs. Not to mention warping the metal and making more work later when its time for bodywork.
I have one of these welders and it works very well. I mostly use it for stick but it also works well for TIG. I did an entire stainless exhaust with it and not only do the welds look good but it was also extremely easy to start an arc.
I need to give it a shot. I haven't tried lift TIG in 15 years.
What rods did you use for that(and settings)any help would be appreciated (also did you use gas)
Had mine for 3 years now and its an absolute beast. One of the best MIG machines I've ever used.. Yeah it would be nice if it had wire speed and voltage readouts but honestly that a nice to have, not essential. This is a really good machine.
It's nuts in this economy where eggs cost 4x more but you can get a welder like this so cheep. My prior MIG (Northern Tool house brand) was $100 more 15 years ago and wasn't half the welder.
@@rpmchuck-nitrouschronicles Funny I bought the Northern tool 140A (110V) model back in 2010 at over $400. Yes good little machine but nothing compared to this thing. Whats more the Tooliom is a VERY good stick welder too, the hot start feature makes MMA a pleasure.
I made a spoolgun hack video about the tooliom 250m. 🎉🎉🎉had to trick the machine to do what it CLAIMS. ruclips.net/video/dl5KOyJ25sY/видео.htmlsi=FFXD_q34Zx0_odpm
Great video thanks!
Mine is showing up tomorrow. I am excited to temporarily retire the century 285 ac/dc stick machine.
Looks like the YesWelder in a slightly different color.
Thanks for Sharing... It's hard to know which unit to buy
Great video very informative
Thanks. Check out my series on the new 250amp version too. It can also do aluminum.
Have you looked at the Yeswelder multi-process welder, if so would you go with that one or the tooliom?
Defiantly go 240V, seems to work pretty nice for a lightweight machine. I have a Hobart Handler made by Miller. I use shielding gas as well for clean metal. It is nice that it has capability for TIG and stick as well. I just question how long this most likely China made machine will last? I always like to stick with the tried and proven brands such as Hobart, Miller or Lincoln. One big disadvantage is the low duty cycle of these smaller machines. This limits your welding to short durations only, and then you must let the machine cool before you can start up again. Thanks for the review.
I never found any duty cycle info published for it but it does have thermal overload protection. With a year of regular home use, I have never tripped the overload and I've done some pretty big projects. Although nothing I do has ever required more than 10 minutes of constant welding without stopping to cut out the next piece or set up the parts. I don't know how long it will last but so far so good.
Ok so I'm looking at MIG welder reviews to weld a roll cage in my foxbody, and I'll be damned you got one bad ass hotrod there man!
Thanks man. I'm the old tech writer at RPM Magazine. That car was completely built in the mag several years ago. Getting ready to update it soon and maybe paint it in a upcoming series of articles.
picked up one this week . $269. then got amazon card ,they gave me $60 to do it. total cost shipped to house $231 . thanks for the review . just learning mig and your vid gave me much needed info. roll on
Glad I could help. Happy metal melting!
4T sounds like casting with fishing rod. Hit the button, whip the rod, but the line doesn't feed out till you release the button. I don't think I would use it either.
No practical non automated uses that I can think of. Just a cheap feature to add for the manufacturer.
Did you ever cut the welds you made to check penetration? It would be very interesting especially with the different setting you attempted.
No I've never tried it. I'll have to pick up some oven cleaner and try it. I'd say the later beads had a lot of penetration as flat as the bead was wetting out combined with the crazy high wire speed. At the factory recommended settings I'd be more concerned with over penetration and blowing holes in thinner stuff.
Thanks for your critique of this welder. I'm a newbie and about to strike my first arc. To my untrained eye, all those welds look good. Which setting would you prefer for welding on a car frame: the factory setting weld flattened out, but would work, right? The second weld (165A) looked better, imo. Which setting would you use on a car frame?
I just notched the rear frame rails of a Mustang yesterday. I had to cut a section out and replace it. I used 150 amps on that. Sometimes you just have to start welding and see how the first bit works. It will have a nice sound and look right when it is. If the bead don't lay down smooth and just sits on top of the steel, turn it up until it starts making the job easier. If it trys to burn a hole in the steel, turn it down a bunch. If it starts looking like chicken poo, grind it off and start again. Watch your molten weld pool. The biggest things that you have to do is be able to see the weld pool clearly, make sure the piece is clean and find the right settings. With this machine start with the voltage knob on normal and just adjust with the amps/wire speed knob.
Thanks for the review, well done! What is the thickest steel you've tried to (successfully) weld with this machine in true MIG?
I welded a press fixture that was 1/2" but it was beveled heavy and welded on both sides. Did fine.
you noticed all the cases looking the same as well. LOL. I learned specs just to keep buying. The same box could have old school transformer popping breakers or igbt dual volt inverter. I have had both. there is some nice stuff out there .. just got to know what you are buying.
It's a gamble in the cheap stuff most of the time but this one is a winner if you can deal with the weird settings.
got your button chuck. Good video.
Appreciate you!
Should do a test in 110v see what limits it has..
Great video bro..!!
Several people have commented on it's limitation. 161a @ 110v.
You should PUSH your mig welds instead of pulling. You'll get alot flatter/better beads.
That's what everyone says but I have always had better results pulling or straight on.
Hi, I just got my TL-200M and I only powered it up thus far without any load at 110V. The manual say max current at 110 or 220v is 200A for Mig, Tig and MMA. On all three I'm only getting 162A. Can you tell me if this is the same with your machine? Great video and I love the details you give. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Ryan. Yeah, you can't get to 200amps on 110. It isn't physically possible. I doubt it will really put out 162amps on 110 either. More like about 130. You really need 220. Welders will run better all around with full supply. It's definitely worth it to hook up a 220 outlet.
@@rpmchuck-nitrouschronicles Thanks Chuck. I will test it tomorrow with 220v and check the max current. I will let you know. Thanks again.
I bought two of their stick welders just for the hell of it (reviewed one on my channel). While they're not the powerhouses they claim to be, and the amperage delivered falls short of what the digital display reads (probably the same thing going on here, a true 200A would obliterate that 3mm thick steel), but none the less they actually work pretty decent once you get used to striking the arc with the stick electrodes.
Purchase a TL 200 T and actually welded 1/8 6013@125 just fine on 220V struggles on 110V setting Max out for stick welding @ 155 Amps on my digital meter reading . So the actual amp reading is lower than 200A factory rated,But I am happy with this machine for the price
hello, Excellent video, I'd like to help me with the measurement of the machine how it measures high and long. Thank you
18" deep not including the power cords and gas fitting/hose, add about 3.5" to make sure they arent kinked, 14" high counting the handle, 8.5" wide.
I don’t mind the voltage auto adjust with the amperage, but can it change wire speed manually??
No, the wire speed is synergistic by amperage. The 250amp model let's you adjust everything separate or use synergistic mode. I have both and still use the synergistic mode only because it works great. You have to try really hard to mess it up.
Great video review! Is this welder still holding up for you? On the fence about ordering this one or a hobart.
Still going strong. I use it at least every week.
@@rpmchuck-nitrouschronicles thanks for the feedback!! That's it I'm just gonna order it! They're running the coupon this week so I'm gonna give it a shot.
Howdy Chuck, 1st, great video!! 👍 2nd, have you tried welding aluminum? If so what where your results?
I gave not a attempted aluminum. I would either get a shorter torch lead with a teflon liner or rig up a spool gun before trying it. I have thought about getting a generic spool gun with the same Dinse connectors and see if it would work. If I do, I'll make a video.
Thanks for this good review!
I am looking for my first Mig welder under $700 and i wasn't sure if this would be anything you can actually work with!
I just uploaded a 3 part review of the new 250amp version. It is a little more expensive but is also more flexible with optional manual settings and aluminum capability.
ruclips.net/video/Yvx6VWod21A/видео.html
would have been good to see fluxcore action. all machines weld nice looking weld using gas.
I wouldn't say "all". I've used a few 110v units with the rocker switch heat selectors that weld like crap. I personally never use flux core since I am a automotive/race car guy but if I find a reason to weld outdoors, I'll grab some and do a follow up video. I've always found flux core much easier to get a decent bead and penetration when you are underpowered for the metal thickness. I learned on flux core with a little 110 Lincoln "community welder" many moons ago. It just doesn't look as clean with all the spatter getting on everything.
Is it much of a disadvantage not being able to set wire speed independently from amperage?
(Thanks for the video!)
on most MIG machines you set the wire speed and the machine changes the amps accordingly. On this machine you set the amps and it sets the wire speed accordingly.......completely wrong compared to everyone else but I like the idea since I am more used to stick welding and you set it by amps there.
@@yurimodin7333 while i'm not sure how to do it on this welder ive seen similar one that also automatically setup the wire speed according to the amps and there was a way to do the speed manual too ,this welder probably has that option you just gotta figure out how
You can hook to any outlet in the house
You can, but output is limited on 110 household power. It runs a lot better with more amp capability on 220. If you are just welding thinner metal using 110 is fine.
So question. The duty cycle then would be 60% @ 200a would then be true to what is displayed or true amps? Because it looks like the numbers are much higher as shown on the machine.
The setting numbers different with the machine adjusting wire speed. Thier recommended setting are high on amps but runs hot at those settings. I recently welded some 1/2" plate for a shop press on the same 200amp setting it called for with much thinner material. It still got the job done.
If it seems to run too hot, check any internal ground straps & chassis ground connections.
Some of these cheap inverters have feeble internal grounding.
I'm seriously considering getting this for my first welder... I have a $100 Amazon gift card and $25 off coupon for the welder, I was planning on the titanium 125 or Forney easy weld 140 FC-I. But this just seems so much nicer
Man me and you the same, looking at the forney and titanium, now this... Pretty awesome stuff, they all seem nice
@@bmzaron713 I went with the Forney easy weld 140 FC-I, I'm very happy with it so far.
@@PkwyDrive13 Sweet man.. Yeah it's not really worth looking at a million different models - forney seems like a really solid choice
@@bmzaron713 awesome learning machine, once I get better I will upgrade to a multiprocess welder. But I am definitely enjoying the hobby and wish I'd done it earlier than 32 years old.
@@PkwyDrive13 Dude I'm 32 too, crazy.. Yeah man, well if it weren't for youtube I would have had 0 chance at even an attempt at welding.. Just pretty amazing all the wonderful people on this thing sharing info. Have a good one man - you should give soldering a shot too if you haven't already (the small setup for breadboards and electronics) You can get a station for 35-50 dollars and there isn't much to it.
Can you control the amps and wire speed independently?
No. Amps and wire speed are tied together with only micro volt adjustment. The 250 model gives you the option to run it either way.
I`m eyein mig only welders myself, I have that AHP tig you got as well for hobbys like me, I was also wanting to say, when you use a mig, aim the gun in the direction your welding, it`ll weld nicer an won`t risk gas being blown away. A guy on amazon said he welded 5/8 pipe to a 3/8 plate and it welded hot enough to make the metal show the heat transfer. Did you try some thicker metal yet? And if possible, I might bug ya for some info on that AHP, I havent had the chance to use mine yet. Been to cold in the garage.
ok so what sixe wire did you use and could you make a video about flux core wire for thid welder.
I use .030" solid wire in that machine. I haven't used flux core in about 15 years since I do automotive work. I may get a roll and give it a try. I just bought the newer 250 amp version that I have set up for aluminum MIG. I just posted a 3 video series on that one.
Very informative 👋.. Do you think the 200amp rating is realistic?
It welds thick stuff like it has 200 but is a little weird on the settings. It calls for full power at thinner material than you would think but it continues to get the job done into thicker stuff on the same setting. By the time you go to thick stuff travel time slows to a more reasonable pace. You can see from the video, at the recommended setting I was flying across it. You can lower the setting quite a bit and get away with it.
it probley has the same power board as the yes welder 205 ds mig i have knowing theses types of welders, would have to take it apart to be sure
I investigated Yes Welder very heavily. The company that builds them just builds their brand. yes welder rebrands them. I dont think the company dables in copies. They seem to be unique
Tooliom and YesWelder come from the same plant.
I have a crows foot 10-50 3 pin 220/250 amp range plug outlet. Do they make an adapter to hook this 220 adapter to it?
Not sure if anyone makes anything but it wouldn't be hard to make one with a NEMA outlet and range cord. Something like this, amzn.to/3w8kqzD then amzn.to/42BOqQx would probably work pretty well.
Great looking welder! Let’s see how long it last!
Is this welder a continuous gas feed with the shielding gas on or does it have a solenoid valve in it to shut the gas off when you let off the gun trigger?
It's on and off with the trigger.
@@rpmchuck-nitrouschronicles thank you.
So the wire feed speed can't be manually adjusted?
Yes it can. The second knob is amps and wire speed. When you turn it up both amps and wire speed increase.
Do They back there products.
Doesn't sound like they do .
Can you tell if they do??
I don't see no warranty
Honestly I have no idea. All I have seen is the 30 day return. I would deal with Amazon to make that easier. Being a new unknow Chinese company with no real retailers other than Amazon and Ebay, and pricing about 1/5th of comparable legacy brands, I wouldn't expect much.
Hi. Did you plug this into a 110 V 15 amp outlet, if so were you satisfied with results ? Specs state you need 42 Amps input ??? Thanks
I used it on time on 110 with a long extension cord at the race track to fix the track glue sprayer that lost the axle mount. It did fine. You just can't weld at high amps. 110 only equates to about 120- 135 amps on any machine.
Thanks for your response. Have you tried it with .030 gasless flux core wire ? The manual states .030 solid wire only not flux core gasless . Is that a misprint ? Thanks.
Is this welder strong enough to weld on a car frame?
Definitely. On my last video (Gettin Hitched), I used it on some stuff way thicker than a frame rail.
Mine stays stuck on 4t.
That's exactly what I did to a new spool of wire, dropped it off the damn table.
Turns out they roll. Who'd have thunk it?
@@rpmchuck-nitrouschronicles Hahaha. Just watched. Im looking at welders on “AMAZON” and some just look sketch!
@@ashton.reallife, no doubt. I admit I was weary of this one too, but it has been great. I have zero complaints.
What I hate is when the wire slips from my fingers when loading a new spool and I get a quarter mile bird's nest. lol
I think new gloves are in the future... 😂
I thought maybe for Fathers Day, but nope, socks.
have you tried tooliom stick welder
No but this machine has the stinger for stick welding. 2 of my machines have the ability to stick weld but I have never stick welded in my life. Just MIG and TIG and my TIG is about over with due to loosing an eye 7 years ago. I might pick up a few rods and five it a try. I bought up some flux core wire to do a follow up video since several people have requested it. Maybe I could try stick at the same time.
@@rpmchuck-nitrouschronicles would love to see stick video and tell us what you think I’m new at stick welding and have tried using that machine and was ready to quit after one week me or machine more than likely it was me not doing something right
Can you give a link where you found it at this price?
www.amazon.com/dp/B08C9J3PS2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_CN0BBFR3YBHVEW1VCMXN?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
The $40 coupon is gone now and replaced with a 12% off coupon. I noticed they raised the price to $300 a couple weeks ago right after I got mine but they dropped it back to $289 a few days later.
@@rpmchuck-nitrouschronicles Thanks for that! Do you know if it's spool gun capable??
@@AtimatikArmy They don't advertise it but there are several cheap spool guns on Amazon with the same euro style connector. I plan to try it in the future. Worse case, I might need to wire in a switch if the spool gun doesn't internally interrupt the power to the machine's wire feed. I'm guessing it would though to redirect it to the one in the gun.
@@rpmchuck-nitrouschronicles Awesome, tha's pretty much exactly what I'm wondering! I hope you post something up once you try this!
@@rpmchuck-nitrouschronicles Did you ever find the right spoolgun?
How thick do you think it'll weld? 5/16??
It is rated at 5/32" or 4mm but I used it on 1/4" today and it did good.
@@rpmchuck-nitrouschronicles hi cna you please. Confirm me the setup for welding 1/4" steel,. Low , middle or high/ wire speed ?/inductance?...I got this welding machine,
I am starting welding, using c25 shelding gas but it is hard to me to find some values to start welding... Thank you
@@1986aasc When I welded a press plate, I went all the way up on the amps/wire speed and high on the volt micro adjust. I have been leaving the inductance on 2 for everything. If it is a critical job on really thick stuff, you can put a bevel cut on your parts or even make a second pass. For 1/4" that shouldn't be needed.
@@rpmchuck-nitrouschronicles thank you... I will trie with this regulation .. Inductance in 2 or -2 ?
@@1986aasc I liked 2 but that is really just preference for the look for me. It welds fine anywhere on inductance.
Is it really good or just crap?
Pretty dang good for the money. Would I trade it for a equivalent powered Lincoln, Miller or Everlast? Of course I would. But not if they want much boot. This one will do anything I want to do and pretty well.
@@rpmchuck-nitrouschronicles my brother just got his, it is absolutely awesome!
4t is for when you use tig i believe
Its production mig setting for long welds without having to continuously press the trigger.
@@robertblackshear8963 oh okay thanks for the correction
I just got one and setting it up. Looking at the description it only has .030 for gas MIG, I have flux in .030, which setting do you use? Also does yours go higher than 162 on the MIG setting?
I always use .030" solid wire. Ive never used any other size solid wire. I haven't had any reason to try flux core either since everything I do is automotive. The chart has listings for flux core settings too, just go by the thickness of the metal you are welding. Mine goes all the way to 200 amps. I used it at 196 amps in the video. If you can't get it turned higher, check your supply power out of the wall. Are you using a 220v outlet? You won't get full power from the machine on a regular household 110v outlet.
@@Scott-kr8yx I'm not getting what you are asking. Do you mean 4t? 2t is normal conventional use. Pull the trigger and it burns. Let off it stops. 4t would be like production or long continuous use where holding the trigger down would for some reason be a problem. It's where you squeeze the trigger and let off and it will burn until you squeeze and let off again. I do automotive stuff so I have bever used 4t on anything including my TIG machine. The only use I can think of would be like on some kind of fixture where the torch or work piece is moved mechanically and there isn't a dude standing behind it manipulating the weld. When a human is doing the job really long periods of time wouldn't pass before you would let off the trigger and reposition yourself or your work piece to continue. For me that is usually 30 seconds or less. If I tried to weld on 4t, it would be a mess. Hope that helps.
Plastic weld the spool...?
No need. It did ok with the chunk missing.
It's a synergic machine. And from this video I gather it's a rather nice one.
would like to know if that machine really can put out 200 amps. i would bet not
It's an inverter unit running on 220v, so no reason it shouldn't. The odd high settings throw some doubt on it. I will post a video soon of it doing some 1/4" plate and we will cut it. I have welded a mount on a 3/8" press plate and it did well.
Looking for a mig stick welders for my 1st welder what do you prefer thanks.
This one is hard to beat for a home MIG even at double the price. I never tried stick with it since I just do automotive/race car work. There is no reason it wouldn't do fine though. It has plenty of power and about anything works OK for stick if you pick the right rod for what you want to do.
Have you tried finding consumables? For Unit probably not easy.
The only consumables I know of for a MIG is contact tips and I haven't needed to replace one in the last five years and about 20 spools of wire. It actually came with some and they look to be identical to the one in my old welder.
It's really easy to find consumables. Uses standard parts
I don't understand the reason for the loud noise at first start of the video...🤷♂️
No one has talked about consumables. What style consumables does this unit use?
Uses the same tips as my Lincoln and Northern Tool welders.
Hi guys you know if this can use a spool gun?
Tooliom doesn't say anything about it or sell one but it uses dinse style connectors at the machine which would probably allow it. I can't think of a reason it wouldn't work. I may get a cheep one off Amazon and try it some time.
Can i weld using it without gas?
Yes but you need flux cored wire
I will never understand the load ass sound effects or music on intro of these videos! Fuck Stop it. Great video thanks!
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200 amps on 1/8 material??? I suspect that the machine is only putting out 150 amps. Just like my chines 250 amp tig welder. It only puts out 150 amps. if i turned my mig welder to 200 amps i would melt the parts.
You can weld it with much lower amps. All the Tooliom settings are hot and fast. The new 250 has lower recommendations and slows travel speed some. I just posted videos on that unit yesterday.
What makes me mad is I paid out 1400$ for the same welder just myn says it's a mac brand on the sides but it's the same inside parts because myn had something burn out in it the part numbers come up your welders brand so if you think your bying mac your rely not
Holy crap. I'd be a little urinated off.
Man, it looks like you can use some new gloves! LOL Those gloves are basically worthless with all those holes in them, your fingers are sticking out! 😂👍
Nah, they just need a little tape. Lol
What 200A? for 3mm steel 80A is enough xD those machine settings are totally weird, or the current reading is a bullshit lie :p
Put wire thru feeder before you install the wire on the spool holder! What I do works for me!
Stick out looks a little on the long side!
Dude done forgot he was doing a review on a cheap welder and instead gave a review on the chart settings what in the world