The Catahoula line can be purchased at the fish net company. In Jonesville La. It's located in Catahoula parish. I have commercial fished most of my life. I live not far from the manufacturer. It's all we use the cost is around$10.00 a pound. Go on line and order a free catalog they have you covered. Steven McNeely.
If I am going to fish commercially I don't mind low tar content if I am going to carry a roll for survival I think I'd rather have a high tar content line that will last much longer than low tar line. Buy the good stuff for making raised beds and stuff last thing you want is your line rotting from low tar content your bed collapsing and you get an injury. That being said use different line for different purposes don't break your bank buying super high quality bank line and use it for everything.
@@SurvivalOnPurpose this tar quality Bank Line gives me one more good reason to live in the woods forest in Washington State and Idaho State 🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲
I just started using the Atwood Micro Cord. It is great stuff. Most jobs you don’t need a cord that will hold 550 pounds, where 100 pounds will be just fine.
I know this video is a couple of years old now but the only issue I see is that the bank line from Walmart is the twisted type of bank line and the one from Wilderness Outfitters is the braided type of bank line...both are designed for different purposes... The twisted type is for multi use, meant to separate into smaller strands if needed...making fishing line and needle thread for sewing... The braided type is single purpose use, like securing something, say your truck tool box when you lost your lock and don't want to see your tools scattered down the road when you hit a large pot hole...or tying the flaps of a tent shut when you have a faulty zipper...just saying
I'm sure someone already covered this, but 'Bank Line' is actually tarred so that it will be semi-water impervious, because it is used for water lines associated to 'trot-lining' in and across rivers. I've even seen guys anchor traps with it in the winter (not legal now). The reason you want real 'tarred' line, vs the Chinese 'burned motor oil' line, is that the tarred line is sticky, and will hold a knot without slipping (primary purpose beyond waterproofing). If you twist it up (like building a bushcraft pack frame), it won't come undone on you, or have knots loosen. Finally, you can get the Catahoula (only mfg that I am aware of in the States) line from most real hardware stores (I have bought it from Home Depot and from ACE Hardware, in the past). Regardless of where, you're going to pay from $14 to $18 for a roll of the good stuff.
There’s twisted or braided line. I actually like twisted line because you can easily separate it and use single piece for making a lash or simply fixing many things. Like having three different lines in one.
I've noticed the same thing about walmart bankline. The line they used to carry definitely was tarred. For the last 2 or 3 years now the stuff just seems to be dyed black with no tar. Thanks for the video.
Twisted and braided bank line are very different and have different uses. If you compare bank line you must compare the same types. The one that unravels easily (twisted) does so on purpose. The braided is meant to stay together. It looked like you might have had braided Pathfinder and twisted Walmart. Anyway love your vids, be blessed Bryan.
It's nice to see someone not be afraid to recommend a competitors product, when it just happens to be the best. Dave will appreciate the heads up too. I will be following you now, at least for a while.
Well, if you want to call him a competitor, it is Dave Canterbury, whose bank line you featured. Most folks in your line don't like to give out credit to others in their line.
I only use pathfinder tared bankline. I was lucky. A friend was using the walmart stuff and I'm glad i bought the best in the begining 9 years ago when i started back to backpacking. It saved me a lot of grief. Thank you for the video Brian.
Thanks for the comparison! Have wanted to know the difference. Never had Pathfinder line. Must add I still find the Wal-Mart line quite useful. It may not be AS good but its still a great source of strong cheap line.
shanes channel I agree, it is; but if you ever get your hands on the good stuff you will totally understand why so many people recommend bank line. There really is no comparison. You know how the Walmart line just seems to be determined to unravel, almost without even touching it? The Catahoula line is just the opposite. You have to try to untwist it on purpose if you want to break it down into smaller strands. The brand I got from the Pathfinder Store is Catahoula. You can get it in Amazon too. If you're interested, here's a shameless Associate link (supports this channel): survivalonpurpose.com/Catahoula-Bankline There are a bunch of sizes to choose from, just make sure you are looking at twisted, tarred line. I bought some of the braided and it is strong, but very stiff and you can't really break it down into smaller strands very easily. Thanks for watching. - Bryan
You know, the funny thing is that a lot of the gear that Daniel Boone, Davey Crockett and the Mountain Men carried probably would be considered junk by today's standards, but they got by because they has the skills. I'm not saying to buy junk, but there is a lot of good quality gear available now (yes, some of it comes from China). Do some research, get what you can afford and PRACTICE with what you have. And have fun doing it.
Very good point. I love having the best and am slowly acquiring it, but the real point is to learn and HAVE FUN doing it. Without knowledge and enjoyment of what you are doing the best gear amounts to nothing. The best times I ever had were with minimal and low quality gear.
As a Scoutmaster, one of my challenges is to help teach these boys and young men important life skills and principles while keeping it FUN. 'Cause if it ain't fun they won't stick around long enough to learn anything. The same pretty much goes for all of us.
The one you have is twisted bank line by Catahoula. They make a braided version. Difference is the twisted version can be easily unravelled and the individual strands are easy to get to.The braided version is a little stronger probably.Thank God my other half wasn't watching the comparison between stiff and drooping or I'd never hear the end of it.Paracord Planet makes a 3000 lb paramax paracord. Yes you read it right 3000 lb tensile strength
I totally agree with your assessment of the quality difference in product. In addition, when you buy something from, in the case the pathfinder store, and it's a bit more money, just remember how much education those RUclipsrs are giving. Call it payment, call it support, call it a donation, the few extra bucks for quality products from an educator is a small price to pay. Without them we wouldn't know what to do with bank line to begin with.
Your old hickory butcher knife looks really cool, and I especially like the fact that it’s only $10! Please do more reviews on really cheap knives. I appreciate this video about cord. Almost everytime you get what you pay for. PKS is the best store to shop for outdoor equipment, no doubt. Sometimes Walmart sells junk that uneducated people buy, and end up realizing they wasted their money. Thanks for this video, I won’t waste my money at Walmart on this cord! Thanks Brian.
Thanks. Yeah, it's kind of like the difference between the magnesium bars you reviewed the other day - ruclips.net/video/k_bfXcDCl8U-/видео.html Sometimes you really do get what you pay for. - Bryan
wanted to add that got both lines from Pathfinder's store. man your right about this line !!! I've used it many ways and going to buy the larger size tools next !!!
Just seen another video with the brand you showed. One was TWISTED like the one you shown from Walmart. The other one was BRAIDED, and was stiff like the one from Pathfinder. Different lines for different uses.
Catahoula makes both twisted and braided and I have tried them both. I prefer the twisted for camp use. The braided just doesn't seem to work as well for knots.
Another Good Point that most of us are just realizing... There's Two Kinds of BankLine "Braided" vs "Twisted" and as you said they both have a purpose!!!
as far as Parcord I always us 95# cord, the 550 is great, but i don't often need that much tensile strength I have 100 ft in my pack that's been there for 9 years. but we go through about 4000 ft a year of #95 paracord, and multiple rolls of #36 and #12 bank line , as well as a few hundred feet of 5/8" manilla rope, but then we are on a ranch in the desert, we also use a few 6000ft boxes of bailing twine, I think mostly because 550 cord is not readily available in my area, but all the other stuff is,
Thanks brian for comparing it on camera ... with things we can do to compare with what can get. more sticky and rigid ... more tarred = more resistant ...
Thanks for showing us the comparison brother I’ve been reading the comments and I’m surprised by how much passion people have regarding this subject of pathfinder vs less expensive brands let’s say! The bottom line for me is that you buy items that fit the purpose of what you intend to do with at a price you can afford! Simple! ... If however someone enjoys the whole franchise thing of owning celebrity endorsed equipment, and can afford the items then also why not! In my opinion as long as we are all getting enjoyment from our outdoors hobbies then that should be the whole point! Take care my friend and best wishes from across the pond 👍🏽👍🏽😎
mad dog the pathfinder stuff is braided bank line it don't come apart the other stuff is twisted bank line it is meant to come apart for net mending or pathing nets they both have there good quality's about them the pathfinder stuff its better for shelter building because of braid and the twisted bank line its like paracord and come apart in strands and its good as well for other stuff like sowing and fishing set trout long lines or fishing line in general
Yes I understand that mate I’ve used bank line for years. I was just trying to point out that the cordage you use doesn’t have to be a brand name to be good, i use my own cordage which is tarred hemp twine which is both a fire tinder and a good strong cordage that will rot down back to nature when left discarded unlike plastic tarred cordage. Take care my friend 👍🏻👍🏻 best wishes 😎
As a ham radio operator, I've used the Wal-Mart "Catfish" line for many things from anchoring my dipole antenna to using it to guy portable mast antennas.
Quality doesn't always have to cost you a lot, but there are some things you shouldn't scrimp on. $8 at Walmart vs $12 at Self Reliance Outfitters isn't that much when you are going to be buying something that could be the difference between you living or dying. Thanks for showing the difference for those of us interested in this sort of thing so we don't get taken in by an inferior product.
I have bought at least a dozen spools of the Lee Fisher tarred line and I think it's great stuff. Now admittedly I have never used it for it's intended purpose. I use it for gear lines, clothes lines, tents and so on. I've also only used the #60 braid which I have never pushed past the 500lb mark. 400+lbs was the most I've ever done and that was more of an act of desperation. While I wouldn't advise it for use as a suspension cot grid, I did hold my big butt off the ground.
Don't get me wrong, I love me some 550. I don't trust the knots as much though. Lately I've been investing in a lot of Amsteel Blue and Dyneema lines from West Marine. My buddies tell me that you can never have too much cordage, but I'm starting to think I might have a problem.
I've bought from both and the highly tarred bank line is what I prefer . . . even over paracord because you get more bang for the buck. Much more cordage without sacrificing its utility.
Definitely good point I was gonna go to Walmart and get some but the Walmart up here in Crawfordsville Indiana is not excepting money cash no more cash here in Indiana Crawfordsville Indiana
The catahoula line is made by my home. you can get at any hardwhare store for not much more that the cheap one and you dont have to pay a middle man. I used both. For one you will its way stronger than you think. We been using this stuff for years and years. But ever since Dave canabury used it or crpl corner and thought of using it. Now they say certain name brands. Everyone thinks automatically they need because he uses it. It must be way better. Im so over people endorsing things as the be all. And dont even know what its really designed for. The catahoula string is made in the dip or dunk method which allows it to be a bit thicker. But thats not always best. In really hot temps the stuff get all.over your hands and gear. Its not like you using this stuff to build a house. Its to be used to get you out of a pinch. All we ever used was the catahoula brand because thats what we have. But ive used walmarts as well and is a great product very strong They also sell braided line which is easy to tell apart the blue label is twisted and the red label is braided . Which dont unwrap at all. The easy unwrapping kind is really good to unwrap and sew things together. People dont turn your nose up over name brands. I swear i see so many people with excat same gear because they chase brands.
When long-lining in the ocean, our line was extremely hard tarred cotton. Buti it wasn't sticky, as that would be a hindrance. I still remember that smell of the lines.
I really like Dave Canterbury stuff, but for US$18 - I'd rather go for Para-cord to get a greater variety of uses. But I guess there are thousands of Specialized products for sale, so the Canterbury tarred line maybe has a special purpose I don't know about. In Australia we have two main options Bricklayers line which is a very high tensile strength plaited cord @ a reasonable cost. Only comes in white or flouro colors. Then there is the General use Australian Military cord called "Hootchie Cord" - Hootchie being a shelter half. It's a very strong plaited cord, about 450lb breaking strain and comes in any color, so long as it's OD Green. Both are great, useful cordage and have a place in your kit BUT I always carry 10 or 20 yards (or more!) of various colors of Para-cord. Oh one last point, both types of the lighter cord are tightly plaited and it almost impossible to un-ravel it, even should you want to, which is one reason like to carry para-cord too.
I like both paracord and bank line for different applications. Bank line seems to work better for lashing, at least to me. It's also about 1/2 the cost per foot if you don't need the extra strength
Thanks for sharing... Most of us Newbies wouldn't know this stuff (just like you didn't), but the unfortunate part for me is that I've already ordered some and it's not from Catahoula and it's at my parents house so I don't know the quality yet until I pick it up tomorrow... 🤞
One of the things Dave and many others have said is that you should use the best that you can afford. I use the Walmart stuff a lot and it works fine. But there is a real quality difference between Walmart and the Pathfinder brand. It is kinda like driving a bicycle or driving a motorcycle. One will do in a pinch, the other, if you can afford it, is way better. Great video by the way.
Nice video. Right up my alley. Yes, you pay more for Pathfinder.. But you can shop Amazon for the same equipment, for much less. You just need to keep your eyes open. Walmart is not the only alternative.
I love Dave Canterbury and his channel. But I find most of his prices to be over the top. There must be a happy medium between the costly Pathfinder bank line and the cheap stuff at Walmart. Also, although the Walmart line is inferior to the bank line sold by Dave's store, it may, in fact, be suitable for a myriad of tasks. For example, a person can accomplish a lot with hand made cordage made from bark, although it won't match the strength of modern cordage. A lot of people with limited incomes will have to make choices in regard to the gear they procure. Of course, I think that is the central message of this fine channel.
Kayakwinds I know what you mean about some of prices on the gear Dave has. I don't necessarily think his prices are high for the stuff he sells, just that he sells some higher end stuff. Having said that, the bank line I got from The Pathfinder Store was Catahoula brand which is available on Amazon but is a little higher. There are some other brands that might be as good, I haven't checked them all out. And, yes, the Walmart stuff might be just fine for most uses, but after using both I definitely prefer the "better" kind. However, you are right, I try to point out good choices on this channel and I think if you are on a really tight budget there are other items where quality makes a bigger difference than bankline. The Walmart stuff is OK and you could put the extra cash towards a good, high value knife like a Schrade or Mora. Thanks for taking the time to watch and share your viewpoint. - Bryan
twisted bank line is like para cord it comes off in strand and can be used for sowing nets making fishing line and sowing stuff and braided bank line don't come apart and is only good for shelter building the taring is for water proofing the line there is your real 2 differences between the 2 types of bank line hope my comment helps you sir
I bought some of the Catahoula ("Walmart") line not too long ago and was VERY disappointed. It was slippery and didn't hold a knot for sh!t. I wish I would have seen this video sooner. I'll be watching more for your tips. Thanks!
@@SurvivalOnPurpose Ok, that was a little confusing to see in the video. I looked up the "Pathfinder" brand and it doesn't mention Catahoula at all. I think maybe the Catahoula has changed maybe during the years because the stuff I got was garbage and slippery. Anyway, I'll find another brand that works better eventually. Thanks!
Are they both the same type? Some are braided, some are not. Usually the braided will come unraveled regardless of manufacturer. Good thing it allows for smaller diameter string for fishing, sewing repairs, etc. The non braided will not desperate thus easier to work with.
The tared bank line at Academy Surplus is every bit as good (and stiff) as the Pathfinder brand and cost half as much if you include shipping. As an insulator by trade I have owned a lot of old hickory knives. They are not as good as everyone makes them out to be. I used to put tape on the handles new, so the handles would last longer because the rivets come loose and the handles come off. The blades also break under stress not being all that good of steel.
When i was a kid, we made our own, cotton line and we rubbed tar on it....so it would not ROOT in the water........ later we used builder line, nylon........ but that was a long time ago.
If you have a Academy Sports store there in Georgia like we do here in SC you can buy it there. I'm sure you could also find it at small bait and tackle shops around the lakes there also. You even have a Bass Pro Shop you could go to.
Thank you for the video people need to know the difference in their products and understand their uses thank you for making this video wish you would do more comparison and explain the differences people really need to understand
So for twice the price you get stickyer, stiffer and stinkyer. Same break strength though? I've used Wal-Mart bank line for years and I know it lasts all season long under water and tied to trees on the bank for trot lines. How much longer do you need it to last? I don't need extra tar for my knots to hold either. So, exactly what do I get for paying twice the price? You can't show me it lasts longer or that it is stronger because you did'nt do a real field long term test.
Ozark River Rat I guess it depends on what you are using it for. it sounds like you are using it for what it was intended, fishing. I absolutely defer to your opinion there, I have never used it for fishing. I was only comparing the qualities for cordage in a bushcraft or camping scenario. For me, the issue isn't whether it lasts longer, just how easy it is to work with for the uses I need. I like the stickier, stiffer feel. That's the reason I wanted bank line instead of just regular nylon cord, like we use in construction. I had several questions about the difference and I was curious myself so I got some and made the video. I appreciate you taking the time to watch it and share your experience. It's good to get other view points from someone like you who has used something for a while. So, for the record, yes I think it is the same break strength and there may not be a difference in how long each kind lasts. But I have to tell you, I still like the Catahoula Brand, at least for camping and bushcraft. It's a good thing we have choices, otherwise we couldn't even have this discussion. Thanks. - Bryan
More tar on the bankline can be better, but for most uses, does it make enough of a difference to justify the almost doubling of price? I'm trying to figure out the specs of bank line too add them to my kits.
My friend; if you are going to make a comparison of something, please items that are equal. These are two different kinds of bankline. The Walmart brand of bankline was twisted bankline (which is made to unravel for a reason), and the Pathfinder brand is braided (which is made for specific reasons also). Please compare banklines of similar construction. Thank You.
I am not sure why so many people have said that. Check the video again. Both of the lines I compared were twisted. I know Catahoula makes both twisted and braided because I have purchased both. But, again, both lines I compared in this video were twisted. Edit: I just checked the Self Reliance Outfitters website (formerly the Pathfinder Store) and their bank line looks to be all twisted. In fact, it’s been a while since I made this video but I think I remember I had to search around to find some braided bank line just a to check it out myself. I don’t think the Pathfinder Store sold braided line back them either.
You have to know the difference between "braided" bank-line and "twisted". The twisted bankline will indeed separate into 3 strands and the braided one stays together on the ends when cut. You can get the good braided stuff at the Walmart. You are not comparing apples to apples here! Twisted has its uses and braided its own uses, but they are not the same.
I need to get some of that for catfishing here in Arkansas. My grandfather would have love that if he was alive since he kept us fed by catching catfish and turtles to feed the family decades ago.
Hey Brian. This is a very good video, so hanks for posting it. I had no idea Dave's product would stick straight out that way. No doubt that we'd get more durable products if we fork out a few extra bucks. The same applies for knives, axes, tarps, containers, compasses, clothing and other outdoor gear. Keep those videos coming. I'd love to see what you think are essential knots for ridgelines and shelter construction, fishing, lashings and other uses around camp.
Thank-you for the explanation of what it is. I'm in Cananda and I can not find it at all. I looked at sporting goods stores, Outdoor stores, Fishing stores(they hadn't heard of it) and at Walmart, Dollar Stores and at military supply stores. Now I know what it is at least. I did buy a few small spools of Mason's line at Canadian Tire, but I see now that is not close at all, although it comes in pretty flourescent colors. :-)
Helen Nelson Hi Helen. I checked Amazon.co and found some. I would probably go with the size 21 since the other one is 72 and that seems pretty thick. www.amazon.ca/Ederer-Twisted-Tarred-1-Pound-Size-21/dp/B0091QW836/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1410566875&sr=8-1&keywords=tarred+twine
Thank-you so much. I didn't think of Amazon. I really will only need it for suspending my tarp as shade/rain protection, so I'll get the thin stuff that you recommended. Thanks again.
Were the lines you compared both the same type? Bank line comes in twisted and braided manufactured styles. The twisted is easy to breakdown and use the strands the braided once it is tarred is not coming apart. Even from the same manufacturer they are very different animals. Great video I just was looking through your older stuff and found it.
I can honestly say that I haven't been in a Walmart for many years (thankfully) except to try to buy ammo, and since they have little if any of that around here, not even that. I'm surviving just fine. Actually, I think I'm feeling better than fine because of it. When somebody gets the bright idea to set up a bunch of brick-and-mortar stores that sell (at a reasonable price) a comprehensive line of the best of whatever product it is, including ammo, tools, firearms, clothing, electronics, sporting goods, food, etc., and give back to the communities they serve, Walmart will find they have some serious competition on many levels. I'm looking forward to that day.
After watching this video, I contacted you, asking which bankline (cheap vs. premium) would be the better option for a one year hike across North America, as far as price and quality. You recommended the Catahoula. I’ve watched your videos for quite awhile now, and I’ve learned that your recommendation are pretty spot-on. I noticed a few posts in the comments section, a bit snarky, suggesting that cheaper varieties of bankline are pretty much just as good as the Catahoula brand. And I thought: hmm....let’s find out. So, I used both the Catahoula and the cheap bankline from Wal-Mart for VERY unscientific experiments, trying to figure out if cheap bankline is as durable and reliable as Catahoula, as some posts have suggested. For example, the SOG Pillar is my EDC. Great knife, but I have large hands, and the handle is quite narrow, so I wrap cordage around it so it feels more comfortable and secure. I’d been using paracord, but switched to bankline for my “experiment.” I had zero problems with the Catahoula. In fact, when I realized it just wasn’t going to crap out, I removed the Catahoula bankline, replacing it with cheap Walmart bankline. After testing the cheap stuff, I re-wrapped the handle with the same Catahoula line I had removed, and it’s still on my Pillar, right now, and I still haven’t had a single issue with it. As for the cheap stuff, I didn’t even make it through an entire day before it started fading horribly. Some areas had fade, or rubbed off onto my hands and shirt, where it was touching the knife handle as it hung from my belt. After just two or three days, some portions of the cheap stuff were nearly white. I also noticed that it had a tendency to fray and unravel at the ends, where I cut the cordage. Both the Walmart and Catahoula banklines were braided, so that should not have happened. I also tested how well each variety held up to being scraped across hard, rough surfaces (like you would expect if you tied it to a tree, or using it as emergency boot/shoe strings, for example). My conclusion? If you plan to use bankline in a one-and-done type of situation - like a day-hike, camping for two or three days, etc. - where you won’t mind using it, then tossing it out, definitely choose the cheap stuff. However, if you plan on using it for long periods, tying and untying it, reusing it, DEFINITELY choose the Catahoula, unless of course you don’t mind crashing to the ground in the middle if the night, because the cheap bankline you’re using to hang your hammock, frayed and weakened from friction against tree bark.
Survival On Purpose: Oh, definitely. For at least 90 percent of anything I’ll ever need it for, I’d absolutely go for the twisted. It’s way more versatile. I only tested, and referenced the braided, because I bought one of those smaller Catahoula rolls, the really squat rolls, specifically to wrap knife handles and put in my EDC kit. As much as I know LOGICALLY that the twisted is a smarter option, seeing those little unraveled ends bugs me...LOL. That, and I wanted to get across that you really wouldn’t want to rely on the cheap stuff for emergency use, long-term use/reuse, and definitely not for survival. I forgot to mention it, but the Walmart bankline, at least here at my local store in Oklahoma, looks and feel EXACTLY like the good stuff. Even smells a bit..lol. BUT.... I dug a bit, found out it wasn’t treated with actual tar, but with some kind of weird, epoxy-like stuff. It performs LIKE A CHAMP.......for about an hour...LOL.
HA HA LARIOUS! Those two peices of string reminded me of "Smilimg Bob" (Pathfinder) and Bob's neighbor (Walmart brand) LOFL!🤣🤣🤣 BTW, great comparison and alerting the community!
Hey Brian, it appears that you may not be aware that there are two different types of bankline -- twisted (apple) and braided (orange)? It looks like the Walmart spool is twisted -- as the Catahoula Mfg. label is blue -- while the Pathfinder is braided -- Catahoula's red label if you were to buy through NetsandMore.com. And when it comes to tying knots, like for a ridgeline for a tarpaulin shelter, yes the braided is the type to use. However the twisted type is more versatile. So, if you need to mend a tear in your pants or do some fishing the twisted is the go to type because it can be untwisted and used like you would the internals of any other paracord. Also the method of taring the line differs between manufacturers. As well as it costs less to manufacture twisted. Ergo the price difference between the two examples. Just something to consider.
Actually, the Catahoula I showed here (that I bought from Pathfinder) was twisted. I also bought some Catahoula braided at the same time but I don't like it for much of anything. It just seems a little too rough for many knots (at least to me). It does have the advantage of not coming untwisted. Diffeent strokes.....
here are some findings about bank line Size Strength Uses #6 21lbs/9.5 Kg Netting/Light lashing/Bushcraft Cordage/Hunting snares #9 44lbs/20 Netting/light lashing/Bushcraft Cordage/Hunting snares #12 47lbs/21.3Kg Netting/Light lashing/bushcraft cordage/Hunting snares #15 52lbs/27.2Kg Netting/Light&Medium lashing/Bushcraft cordage Hunting snares #18 53lbs/24Kg Med/Hvy Netting/light-Heavy lashing/CornBrooms Bushcraft cordage/Hunting snares #21 All the above #36 111lbs/50kg All the above. Cheers ;-)) hope this helps out ;-))
Kanzee Thanks for the data. Yeah, and since most spools are one pound, the smaller the diameter of line, the more length on the spool. Just call me Captain Obvious ;-)
I bye from Dave because of his contribution to our community, new guys and youth can get a full education from his you tube efforts. I also am a Ham operator, WA8QFE and use bank line for stringing up my antennas like the previous viewer KJ4RMZ. Thanks for your efforts ! Lee, Indianapolis WA8QFE and "BushRadio" on Bushcraft USA
excellent video. i have to agree: the tarred one is wonderful for knots. i just haven't found a place that sells it here in europe. shipping and taxes from usa is so expensive.
nice job. Good comparison. I use to buy it at Walmart and it was the real thing back then cheap. But now days they use a much cheaper version and its not tared. My survival shelter I built I used the good stuff I had from Walmart from about 5 years ago. Its still holding. But with the newer stuff. DOn't think it would.....lol
Used bankline AKA tarred seine line, for well over a half century. Both commercially in the ocean as well as out in the woods. RF Ederer is the superior quality on the market. It has a black spider on the label but they only run enough for their accounts. Not junk runs for Amazon. Next is now Catahoula which is close. The whole bankline/bushcraft notion of only using #15 or #36 is hogwash learned on YT the last 10 years. Though #36 and larger get used down south a lot for catfish.
I consistently buy #9 and #12. Never had either one break doing "camp craft". Much better value for the money. But if you only listen to YT or Dave, don't buy them and find out for yourself.
I know this video is old, but as of 7/19/18 Amazon sells a 1 lb roll of #36 tarred Catahoula bank line for $19.22, whereas Self Reliance Outfitters sells the same roll for $12.95... I'm not endorsing anything, but I wanted to point this out...
The Pathfinder bank line is made by Memphisnet,net. The product description is word-for-word from the Memphisnet website. Their price is $4 less than Pathfinder, but watch out for shipping costs.
The tar is really useful if your going to use it as actual Bank or trot line... and yes knots will definitely hold better... However if you like some of the qualities of Para Cord then the Walmart bankline will be better suited to your needs... The Stickyness and inability to untie knots can be a major annoyance... And if your looking for an affordable nylon cordage thats strong and easier to untie then the Walmart brand is probably a better choice.... If your actually going to set up a trot line then i would get Dave's or Memphis Net's bank line.
I actually did some more in depth research on that tarred bank line and what ive come up with is that Nylon Cord does not need to be tarred for the same reasons that Hemp rope was originally tarred..... However what the tarring does accomplish with Nylon Rope is to markedly enhance its resistance to UV decomposition.. Mildew, Water borne parasites/organisms, and enhance knot holding.... So on second thought this would probably be desirable characteristics if you had to use this cordage over a long life span... I may purchase some of the higher quality bank line to see if its easier to work with.... I would imagine being stiffer enhances its ability to resist tangling.
You can buy Catahula blue label. Same stuff available on Amazon 😀 I'm Married to a Cajun so there's that. Do I support anybody who tests and vouches for a product like Dave? Yes. Do we love SOP? YES!! no point in argument. Use what works for you. Heck get you 2000 ft of industrial grade 36 MASON'S TWINE and soak it in tar until you can smell it cross de bayou😂😂 The important thing is water resistant weight holding easy to knot Great video
Hi, just wanted to add something to this I haven't seen mentioned. The pathfinder line definitely looks like it has more tar, but the Wal-Mart brand line is twisted and from the looks of it, the pathfinder line is braided. I just watched a video from common sense camper(I think) laying out the uses for both types. It was pretty interesting and I think it's useful to know. Thanks.
the Walmart brand works well for what it is intended for. it holds up my tarp, held together my camp furniture held up my pants when my belt broke. you can separate the strands. of course if you have to tie on a wing to a jet fighter, or fence off your property to protect yourself from a zombie hoard then by all means get the Canterbury bank line. if not, save ten bucks and buy your girl some flowers! she will think your wonderful! and that's my survival tip of the day.
Honestly, I just prefer the Catahoula (which is what Dave sells but you can get it other places too) because the stiffness of the tar just seems to make it easier to work with to me. But as far as strength goes there is probably no difference.
Next time I go to Hampton I'm gonna stop at Bass Pro, Dave Canterbury says they carry the good stuff there too. Excuse to go to Bass Pro, maybe.... I picked up about 40 feet of carbon fiber aviation wire lacing, in aviation it's sometimes called spot tie. I wound it on a paper clip and put it in my cordage pocket on my pack, but I could put it on a key ring. It's waxed so it stays together really really good. It's not really that expensive online. Edit, I read that and pulled that cordage out of my pack and put it on my key ring. 40 feet of extra edc cordage, same size as my whistle. Cause in a real "survival" situation all I'll probably have on me is my keys and if I'm lucky my belt knife, not likely my pack.
www.skygeek.com/lacing-cord.html Now, you know where I work, so that's where I got mine, the black stuff is mil spec. That's what I have. There's a bunch of websites, that sell it. it will hold straight out just like that tarred bank line. it's lighter, not as strong but it's multi ply, waxed etc. edit, I guess it's nylon. Strong as a zip strip it's designed for wire tying. But I said hey I can wind a mess of this up and take up no space, it ties tight and is really strong. would be great in an emergency I think.
If it is not stronger, I would find the tar an issue. I know the Walmart stuff unravels, but that is what a lighter an overhand knot are for. But have wondered why buy from DC, just because he recommends it. You decide.
Tim Barton Well, some of the Catahoula Bank line is on Amazon, but the only place I could find #18 was in Dave's store. At least, it wasn't on Amazon and if I'm going to buy it from somewhere else at the same price as DC sells if for I choose to support him. I have bought a fair amount of gear from the Pathfinder Store and all of it has been first rate quality at what I consider a fair price.
Tar is good for being submerged, trot lines, and so forth. Very important. Learn about trot lines if you don't know what that is folks.
Can you use roofing tar or does it have to be road tar?
The Catahoula line can be purchased at the fish net company. In Jonesville La. It's located in Catahoula parish. I have commercial fished most of my life. I live not far from the manufacturer. It's all we use the cost is around$10.00 a pound. Go on line and order a free catalog they have you covered. Steven McNeely.
Thanks Steven
If I am going to fish commercially I don't mind low tar content if I am going to carry a roll for survival I think I'd rather have a high tar content line that will last much longer than low tar line. Buy the good stuff for making raised beds and stuff last thing you want is your line rotting from low tar content your bed collapsing and you get an injury. That being said use different line for different purposes don't break your bank buying super high quality bank line and use it for everything.
I've received their catalog, I like it. I'm a long way from Louisiana, up in Maine. Also a comm. fisherman. An excellent occupation.
@@SurvivalOnPurpose this tar quality Bank Line gives me one more good reason to live in the woods forest in Washington State and Idaho State 🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲
I just started using the Atwood Micro Cord. It is great stuff. Most jobs you don’t need a cord that will hold 550 pounds, where 100 pounds will be just fine.
You can buy the cheap Fartmart stuff to practice your bushcraft skills, & keep higher quality *USA* made stuff in your BOB or Bushcraft/Camping pack.
+OOTurok That is true but just don't mess up and ever use the good stuff or you will get very frustrated when you use the cheap stuff again ;-)
Lmfao....fartmart...that is awesome.
This is a great idea
I was this many years old before I knew I needed $18 back like to survive. imagine my shock.
That's why it's a good idea to soak your para cord in bees wax. Makes excellent laces that won't slip.
Cool beans. I happen to need new laces.
And you can use the Wallmart brand and don't need to get that overpriced stuff from sister dave...
What's the best para cord to use for laces?
Wait until the bees leave, tho... they get mad, otherwise🥺 ouchies
I know this video is a couple of years old now but the only issue I see is that the bank line from Walmart is the twisted type of bank line and the one from Wilderness Outfitters is the braided type of bank line...both are designed for different purposes... The twisted type is for multi use, meant to separate into smaller strands if needed...making fishing line and needle thread for sewing... The braided type is single purpose use, like securing something, say your truck tool box when you lost your lock and don't want to see your tools scattered down the road when you hit a large pot hole...or tying the flaps of a tent shut when you have a faulty zipper...just saying
+Charles Hill they are both twisted. I agree with you about the braided.
I'm sure someone already covered this, but 'Bank Line' is actually tarred so that it will be semi-water impervious, because it is used for water lines associated to 'trot-lining' in and across rivers. I've even seen guys anchor traps with it in the winter (not legal now).
The reason you want real 'tarred' line, vs the Chinese 'burned motor oil' line, is that the tarred line is sticky, and will hold a knot without slipping (primary purpose beyond waterproofing). If you twist it up (like building a bushcraft pack frame), it won't come undone on you, or have knots loosen.
Finally, you can get the Catahoula (only mfg that I am aware of in the States) line from most real hardware stores (I have bought it from Home Depot and from ACE Hardware, in the past). Regardless of where, you're going to pay from $14 to $18 for a roll of the good stuff.
Well said.
Didn't he just show that Catahoula was from Walmart and had less tar?
@@prepareforit7323
Nope! The Catahoula was from the Pathfinder store.
There’s twisted or braided line. I actually like twisted line because you can easily separate it and use single piece for making a lash or simply fixing many things. Like having three different lines in one.
I've noticed the same thing about walmart bankline. The line they used to carry definitely was tarred. For the last 2 or 3 years now the stuff just seems to be dyed black with no tar.
Thanks for the video.
Yep, I have been wondering and now we all know.
Twisted and braided bank line are very different and have different uses. If you compare bank line you must compare the same types. The one that unravels easily (twisted) does so on purpose. The braided is meant to stay together. It looked like you might have had braided Pathfinder and twisted Walmart. Anyway love your vids, be blessed Bryan.
Both of these were twisted. I have some braided but I don't really like for knots.
@@SurvivalOnPurpose wow, since they were both the same, (twisted) the walmart one really is disappointing.
I know less about bankline than I do about paracord. I look forward to learning about it.
Corporal’s Corner has a few vids where he uses it to built platform based elevated sleep areas, using 1”-ish sticks...
It's nice to see someone not be afraid to recommend a competitors product, when it just happens to be the best. Dave will appreciate the heads up too. I will be following you now, at least for a while.
What competitor do you mean ?
Well, if you want to call him a competitor, it is Dave Canterbury, whose bank line you featured. Most folks in your line don't like to give out credit to others in their line.
I only use pathfinder tared bankline. I was lucky. A friend was using the walmart stuff and I'm glad i bought the best in the begining 9 years ago when i started back to backpacking. It saved me a lot of grief. Thank you for the video Brian.
Thanks for the comparison! Have wanted to know the difference. Never had Pathfinder line. Must add I still find the Wal-Mart line quite useful. It may not be AS good but its still a great source of strong cheap line.
shanes channel I agree, it is; but if you ever get your hands on the good stuff you will totally understand why so many people recommend bank line. There really is no comparison. You know how the Walmart line just seems to be determined to unravel, almost without even touching it? The Catahoula line is just the opposite. You have to try to untwist it on purpose if you want to break it down into smaller strands. The brand I got from the Pathfinder Store is Catahoula. You can get it in Amazon too. If you're interested, here's a shameless Associate link (supports this channel): survivalonpurpose.com/Catahoula-Bankline There are a bunch of sizes to choose from, just make sure you are looking at twisted, tarred line. I bought some of the braided and it is strong, but very stiff and you can't really break it down into smaller strands very easily. Thanks for watching. - Bryan
Yes, you are spot on. We can't always afford the best, and the best may not be necessary.
You know, the funny thing is that a lot of the gear that Daniel Boone, Davey Crockett and the Mountain Men carried probably would be considered junk by today's standards, but they got by because they has the skills. I'm not saying to buy junk, but there is a lot of good quality gear available now (yes, some of it comes from China). Do some research, get what you can afford and PRACTICE with what you have. And have fun doing it.
Very good point. I love having the best and am slowly acquiring it, but the real point is to learn and HAVE FUN doing it. Without knowledge and enjoyment of what you are doing the best gear amounts to nothing. The best times I ever had were with minimal and low quality gear.
As a Scoutmaster, one of my challenges is to help teach these boys and young men important life skills and principles while keeping it FUN. 'Cause if it ain't fun they won't stick around long enough to learn anything.
The same pretty much goes for all of us.
Yes I have learned a lot from Dave as well as yourself. I will be following your survival on a shoestring.
+ritesideofthefence 58 Dave has taught me a lot.
The one you have is twisted bank line by Catahoula. They make a braided version. Difference is the twisted version can be easily unravelled and the individual strands are easy to get to.The braided version is a little stronger probably.Thank God my other half wasn't watching the comparison between stiff and drooping or I'd never hear the end of it.Paracord Planet makes a 3000 lb paramax paracord. Yes you read it right 3000 lb tensile strength
I bought some braided but it is not my favorite for tying knots
Thanks for the info. Just ordered some #36 twisted
Also two types of Bankline, twisted & braided.
I totally agree with your assessment of the quality difference in product. In addition, when you buy something from, in the case the pathfinder store, and it's a bit more money, just remember how much education those RUclipsrs are giving. Call it payment, call it support, call it a donation, the few extra bucks for quality products from an educator is a small price to pay. Without them we wouldn't know what to do with bank line to begin with.
Well said Paul. I just bought some #12 bank line from the Pathfinder Store the other day
Well,some people wouldn't know what to do with it. And some people have grown up living this lifestyle. It's nothing new.
Yes, but everybody has to start somewhere and it's up to us who do know a little to pass that knowledge on.
Thank you for that Brian . Am looking forward to this series .
Your old hickory butcher knife looks really cool, and I especially like the fact that it’s only $10! Please do more reviews on really cheap knives. I appreciate this video about cord. Almost everytime you get what you pay for. PKS is the best store to shop for outdoor equipment, no doubt. Sometimes Walmart sells junk that uneducated people buy, and end up realizing they wasted their money. Thanks for this video, I won’t waste my money at Walmart on this cord! Thanks Brian.
Hey,Bryan;Thanks 4 Sharing the Bankline Comparison.Looking forward 2 your new
series,Stay Warm &Safe.
Blessings From Canada
Great topic! Thanks for showing us the difference.
Thanks. Yeah, it's kind of like the difference between the magnesium bars you reviewed the other day - ruclips.net/video/k_bfXcDCl8U-/видео.html Sometimes you really do get what you pay for. - Bryan
Thanks for sharing it's good to get the word out so folks can make good sound choices.
wanted to add that got both lines from Pathfinder's store. man your right about this line !!! I've used it many ways and going to buy the larger size tools next !!!
It is good stuff.
Just seen another video with the brand you showed. One was TWISTED like the one you shown from Walmart. The other one was BRAIDED, and was stiff like the one from Pathfinder. Different lines for different uses.
Catahoula makes both twisted and braided and I have tried them both. I prefer the twisted for camp use. The braided just doesn't seem to work as well for knots.
@@SurvivalOnPurpose ,but your comparing apples to oranges - not a fair comparison.
Another Good Point that most of us are just realizing... There's Two Kinds of BankLine "Braided" vs "Twisted" and as you said they both have a purpose!!!
as far as Parcord I always us 95# cord, the 550 is great, but i don't often need that much tensile strength I have 100 ft in my pack that's been there for 9 years. but we go through about 4000 ft a year of #95 paracord, and multiple rolls of #36 and #12 bank line , as well as a few hundred feet of 5/8" manilla rope, but then we are on a ranch in the desert, we also use a few 6000ft boxes of bailing twine, I think mostly because 550 cord is not readily available in my area, but all the other stuff is,
Great to know. Looking forward to seeing the rest of the series.
Man!! I wish I could get a fire to burn backwards. Think of the wood I could use over and over again!!!
;-)
U need a "reverse" lighter 2 start it.
One should always buy, what they need, and what they can afford. The video did show a difference in the Bankline products.
Thanks for watching.
Thanks brian for comparing it on camera ... with things we can do to compare with what can get. more sticky and rigid ... more tarred = more resistant ...
I prefer the Catahoula
Thanks for showing us the comparison brother I’ve been reading the comments and I’m surprised by how much passion people have regarding this subject of pathfinder vs less expensive brands let’s say! The bottom line for me is that you buy items that fit the purpose of what you intend to do with at a price you can afford! Simple! ... If however someone enjoys the whole franchise thing of owning celebrity endorsed equipment, and can afford the items then also why not! In my opinion as long as we are all getting enjoyment from our outdoors hobbies then that should be the whole point! Take care my friend and best wishes from across the pond 👍🏽👍🏽😎
Thanks. Stay safe
mad dog the pathfinder stuff is braided bank line it don't come apart the other stuff is twisted bank line it is meant to come apart for net mending or pathing nets they both have there good quality's about them the pathfinder stuff its better for shelter building because of braid and the twisted bank line its like paracord and come apart in strands and its good as well for other stuff like sowing and fishing set trout long lines or fishing line in general
Yes I understand that mate I’ve used bank line for years. I was just trying to point out that the cordage you use doesn’t have to be a brand name to be good, i use my own cordage which is tarred hemp twine which is both a fire tinder and a good strong cordage that will rot down back to nature when left discarded unlike plastic tarred cordage. Take care my friend 👍🏻👍🏻 best wishes 😎
As a ham radio operator, I've used the Wal-Mart "Catfish" line for many things from anchoring my dipole antenna to using it to guy portable mast antennas.
Whatever works.
Thank you for showing that difference...and what a difference it actually is.
Man Land The tar makes it a totally different type of cordage.
Quality doesn't always have to cost you a lot, but there are some things you shouldn't scrimp on. $8 at Walmart vs $12 at Self Reliance Outfitters isn't that much when you are going to be buying something that could be the difference between you living or dying. Thanks for showing the difference for those of us interested in this sort of thing so we don't get taken in by an inferior product.
I'm glad it helped.
Dave's business is good
I have bought at least a dozen spools of the Lee Fisher tarred line and I think it's great stuff. Now admittedly I have never used it for it's intended purpose. I use it for gear lines, clothes lines, tents and so on. I've also only used the #60 braid which I have never pushed past the 500lb mark. 400+lbs was the most I've ever done and that was more of an act of desperation. While I wouldn't advise it for use as a suspension cot grid, I did hold my big butt off the ground.
I've never used it for fishing either but it is a great all around cordage for almost any use, although I have to admit I still carry 550 cord too.
Don't get me wrong, I love me some 550. I don't trust the knots as much though. Lately I've been investing in a lot of Amsteel Blue and Dyneema lines from West Marine. My buddies tell me that you can never have too much cordage, but I'm starting to think I might have a problem.
Naaa. Sounds perfectly normal to me.
I gave up on paracord decades ago. Now I carry 3/16" waxed diamond cord. I believe it works as good or better then bank cord.
Different strokes.
I've bought from both and the highly tarred bank line is what I prefer . . . even over paracord because you get more bang for the buck. Much more cordage without sacrificing its utility.
I agree
Definitely good point I was gonna go to Walmart and get some but the Walmart up here in Crawfordsville Indiana is not excepting money cash no more cash here in Indiana Crawfordsville Indiana
I believe there are 2 bank lines - Twisted & Twisted Braided. I always enjoy your videos.
The catahoula line is made by my home. you can get at any hardwhare store for not much more that the cheap one and you dont have to pay a middle man. I used both. For one you will its way stronger than you think. We been using this stuff for years and years. But ever since Dave canabury used it or crpl corner and thought of using it. Now they say certain name brands. Everyone thinks automatically they need because he uses it. It must be way better. Im so over people endorsing things as the be all. And dont even know what its really designed for. The catahoula string is made in the dip or dunk method which allows it to be a bit thicker. But thats not always best. In really hot temps the stuff get all.over your hands and gear. Its not like you using this stuff to build a house. Its to be used to get you out of a pinch. All we ever used was the catahoula brand because thats what we have. But ive used walmarts as well and is a great product very strong They also sell braided line which is easy to tell apart the blue label is twisted and the red label is braided . Which dont unwrap at all. The easy unwrapping kind is really good to unwrap and sew things together. People dont turn your nose up over name brands. I swear i see so many people with excat same gear because they chase brands.
When long-lining in the ocean, our line was extremely hard tarred cotton. Buti it wasn't sticky, as that would be a hindrance.
I still remember that smell of the lines.
Thanks for the education!
Enjoying your channel, always nice to see real world common sense.
Bill in Fargo ND
+Bill Jamison Thanks Bill
I really like Dave Canterbury stuff, but for US$18 - I'd rather go for Para-cord to get a greater variety of uses. But I guess there are thousands of Specialized products for sale, so the Canterbury tarred line maybe has a special purpose I don't know about. In Australia we have two main options Bricklayers line which is a very high tensile strength plaited cord @ a reasonable cost. Only comes in white or flouro colors. Then there is the General use Australian Military cord called "Hootchie Cord" - Hootchie being a shelter half. It's a very strong plaited cord, about 450lb breaking strain and comes in any color, so long as it's OD Green. Both are great, useful cordage and have a place in your kit BUT I always carry 10 or 20 yards (or more!) of various colors of Para-cord. Oh one last point, both types of the lighter cord are tightly plaited and it almost impossible to un-ravel it, even should you want to, which is one reason like to carry para-cord too.
I like both paracord and bank line for different applications. Bank line seems to work better for lashing, at least to me. It's also about 1/2 the cost per foot if you don't need the extra strength
Thanks for sharing... Most of us Newbies wouldn't know this stuff (just like you didn't), but the unfortunate part for me is that I've already ordered some and it's not from Catahoula and it's at my parents house so I don't know the quality yet until I pick it up tomorrow... 🤞
One of the things Dave and many others have said is that you should use the best that you can afford. I use the Walmart stuff a lot and it works fine. But there is a real quality difference between Walmart and the Pathfinder brand. It is kinda like driving a bicycle or driving a motorcycle. One will do in a pinch, the other, if you can afford it, is way better. Great video by the way.
John Sword Thanks John. And, just to be clear, what I am calling the Pathfinder Bankline is actually Catahoula brand. But you point is valid.
You had me at, Made In America!
mrbadhabit73 There is a definite difference.
As somebody that grew up on a river DIY tarred twine aint hard to make. If you are gonna DIY get the braided twine and not the 3 strand twisted crap.
Great video, I’m looking forward to these videos.
Thank you for posting
Nice video. Right up my alley. Yes, you pay more for Pathfinder.. But you can shop Amazon for the same equipment, for much less. You just need to keep your eyes open. Walmart is not the only alternative.
I have to be honest. More and more I dislike shopping at Walmart. For many reasons
Wow, good video. I just bought some cheap #18 tarred mariners line and was trying to learn more about it. Thanks for your video.
I love Dave Canterbury and his channel. But I find most of his prices to be over the top. There must be a happy medium between the costly Pathfinder bank line and the cheap stuff at Walmart. Also, although the Walmart line is inferior to the bank line sold by Dave's store, it may, in fact, be suitable for a myriad of tasks. For example, a person can accomplish a lot with hand made cordage made from bark, although it won't match the strength of modern cordage. A lot of people with limited incomes will have to make choices in regard to the gear they procure. Of course, I think that is the central message of this fine channel.
Kayakwinds I know what you mean about some of prices on the gear Dave has. I don't necessarily think his prices are high for the stuff he sells, just that he sells some higher end stuff. Having said that, the bank line I got from The Pathfinder Store was Catahoula brand which is available on Amazon but is a little higher. There are some other brands that might be as good, I haven't checked them all out. And, yes, the Walmart stuff might be just fine for most uses, but after using both I definitely prefer the "better" kind. However, you are right, I try to point out good choices on this channel and I think if you are on a really tight budget there are other items where quality makes a bigger difference than bankline. The Walmart stuff is OK and you could put the extra cash towards a good, high value knife like a Schrade or Mora. Thanks for taking the time to watch and share your viewpoint. - Bryan
twisted bank line is like para cord it comes off in strand and can be used for sowing nets making fishing line and sowing stuff and braided bank line don't come apart and is only good for shelter building the taring is for water proofing the line there is your real 2 differences between the 2 types of bank line hope my comment helps
you sir
love your videos man, your so straight forward and seem like a a nice guy too, keep it up! :)
+Justin Packard Thanks.
I bought some of the Catahoula ("Walmart") line not too long ago and was VERY disappointed. It was slippery and didn't hold a knot for sh!t. I wish I would have seen this video sooner. I'll be watching more for your tips. Thanks!
Th8s is a really old video, but to be clear, the Catahoula in this video was not the Walmart brand. The Catahoula was the good stuff.
@@SurvivalOnPurpose Ok, that was a little confusing to see in the video. I looked up the "Pathfinder" brand and it doesn't mention Catahoula at all. I think maybe the Catahoula has changed maybe during the years because the stuff I got was garbage and slippery. Anyway, I'll find another brand that works better eventually. Thanks!
Are they both the same type? Some are braided, some are not. Usually the braided will come unraveled regardless of manufacturer. Good thing it allows for smaller diameter string for fishing, sewing repairs, etc. The non braided will not desperate thus easier to work with.
The tared bank line at Academy Surplus is every bit as good (and stiff) as the Pathfinder brand and cost half as much if you include shipping.
As an insulator by trade I have owned a lot of old hickory knives. They are not as good as everyone makes them out to be. I used to put tape on the handles new, so the handles would last longer because the rivets come loose and the handles come off. The blades also break under stress not being all that good of steel.
bibleprophecy1st I'll have to check out Academy Surplus.
When i was a kid, we made our own, cotton line and we rubbed tar on it....so it would not ROOT in the water........ later we used builder line, nylon........ but that was a long time ago.
+Michael Moore Yes it was ;-)
If you have a Academy Sports store there in Georgia like we do here in SC you can buy it there. I'm sure you could also find it at small bait and tackle shops around the lakes there also. You even have a Bass Pro Shop you could go to.
They just built a new Academy 5 minutes from my house. I'll check it out. Thanks.
Thanks that’s so great to know.
what about doing a review on twisted VS Braided Bank line from Catahoula?
+Bearcwy For some reason, I suspect the Pathfinder stuff is actually re-branded Catahoula bank line... not sure.
+James Pawson nothing rebranded about it. It says Catahoula on it.
Thank you for the video people need to know the difference in their products and understand their uses thank you for making this video wish you would do more comparison and explain the differences people really need to understand
Thanks
So for twice the price you get stickyer, stiffer and stinkyer. Same break strength though? I've used Wal-Mart bank line for years and I know it lasts all season long under water and tied to trees on the bank for trot lines. How much longer do you need it to last? I don't need extra tar for my knots to hold either. So, exactly what do I get for paying twice the price? You can't show me it lasts longer or that it is stronger because you did'nt do a real field long term test.
Ozark River Rat I guess it depends on what you are using it for. it sounds like you are using it for what it was intended, fishing. I absolutely defer to your opinion there, I have never used it for fishing. I was only comparing the qualities for cordage in a bushcraft or camping scenario. For me, the issue isn't whether it lasts longer, just how easy it is to work with for the uses I need. I like the stickier, stiffer feel. That's the reason I wanted bank line instead of just regular nylon cord, like we use in construction. I had several questions about the difference and I was curious myself so I got some and made the video. I appreciate you taking the time to watch it and share your experience. It's good to get other view points from someone like you who has used something for a while. So, for the record, yes I think it is the same break strength and there may not be a difference in how long each kind lasts. But I have to tell you, I still like the Catahoula Brand, at least for camping and bushcraft. It's a good thing we have choices, otherwise we couldn't even have this discussion. Thanks. - Bryan
More tar on the bankline can be better, but for most uses, does it make enough of a difference to justify the almost doubling of price? I'm trying to figure out the specs of bank line too add them to my kits.
My friend; if you are going to make a comparison of something, please items that are equal. These are two different kinds of bankline. The Walmart brand of bankline was twisted bankline (which is made to unravel for a reason), and the Pathfinder brand is braided (which is made for specific reasons also). Please compare banklines of similar construction. Thank You.
I am not sure why so many people have said that. Check the video again. Both of the lines I compared were twisted. I know Catahoula makes both twisted and braided because I have purchased both. But, again, both lines I compared in this video were twisted. Edit: I just checked the Self Reliance Outfitters website (formerly the Pathfinder Store) and their bank line looks to be all twisted. In fact, it’s been a while since I made this video but I think I remember I had to search around to find some braided bank line just a to check it out myself. I don’t think the Pathfinder Store sold braided line back them either.
You have to know the difference between "braided" bank-line and "twisted". The twisted bankline will indeed separate into 3 strands and the braided one stays together on the ends when cut. You can get the good braided stuff at the Walmart. You are not comparing apples to apples here! Twisted has its uses and braided its own uses, but they are not the same.
Both of the products I reviewed were twisted. But you are correct the braided stays together much better when cut.
I need to get some of that for catfishing here in Arkansas. My grandfather would have love that if he was alive since he kept us fed by catching catfish and turtles to feed the family decades ago.
yes he would
Hey Brian. This is a very good video, so hanks for posting it. I had no idea Dave's product would stick straight out that way. No doubt that we'd get more durable products if we fork out a few extra bucks. The same applies for knives, axes, tarps, containers, compasses, clothing and other outdoor gear. Keep those videos coming. I'd love to see what you think are essential knots for ridgelines and shelter construction, fishing, lashings and other uses around camp.
Thanks!
Thank-you for the explanation of what it is. I'm in Cananda and I can not find it at all. I looked at sporting goods stores, Outdoor stores, Fishing stores(they hadn't heard of it) and at Walmart, Dollar Stores and at military supply stores. Now I know what it is at least. I did buy a few small spools of Mason's line at Canadian Tire, but I see now that is not close at all, although it comes in pretty flourescent colors. :-)
Helen Nelson Hi Helen. I checked Amazon.co and found some. I would probably go with the size 21 since the other one is 72 and that seems pretty thick. www.amazon.ca/Ederer-Twisted-Tarred-1-Pound-Size-21/dp/B0091QW836/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1410566875&sr=8-1&keywords=tarred+twine
Thank-you so much. I didn't think of Amazon. I really will only need it for suspending my tarp as shade/rain protection, so I'll get the thin stuff that you recommended. Thanks again.
You're welcome.
Were the lines you compared both the same type? Bank line comes in twisted and braided manufactured styles. The twisted is easy to breakdown and use the strands the braided once it is tarred is not coming apart. Even from the same manufacturer they are very different animals. Great video I just was looking through your older stuff and found it.
Both were twisted.
Thanks for showing the difference, at least I'll be able to make an informed choice before I set out in the future!!
jelkel25 That's my goal.
I can honestly say that I haven't been in a Walmart for many years (thankfully) except to try to buy ammo, and since they have little if any of that around here, not even that. I'm surviving just fine. Actually, I think I'm feeling better than fine because of it. When somebody gets the bright idea to set up a bunch of brick-and-mortar stores that sell (at a reasonable price) a comprehensive line of the best of whatever product it is, including ammo, tools, firearms, clothing, electronics, sporting goods, food, etc., and give back to the communities they serve, Walmart will find they have some serious competition on many levels. I'm looking forward to that day.
eqlzr2 I have to admit I am too. Unfortunately, I'm not very optimistic about that happening on a grand scale because of the way most people think.
You don't mention the shipping costs for the cordage, that's more money? Walmart is in most towns in America.
After watching this video, I contacted you, asking which bankline (cheap vs. premium) would be the better option for a one year hike across North America, as far as price and quality. You recommended the Catahoula.
I’ve watched your videos for quite awhile now, and I’ve learned that your recommendation are pretty spot-on. I noticed a few posts in the comments section, a bit snarky, suggesting that cheaper varieties of bankline are pretty much just as good as the Catahoula brand. And I thought: hmm....let’s find out.
So, I used both the Catahoula and the cheap bankline from Wal-Mart for VERY unscientific experiments, trying to figure out if cheap bankline is as durable and reliable as Catahoula, as some posts have suggested. For example, the SOG Pillar is my EDC. Great knife, but I have large hands, and the handle is quite narrow, so I wrap cordage around it so it feels more comfortable and secure. I’d been using paracord, but switched to bankline for my “experiment.” I had zero problems with the Catahoula. In fact, when I realized it just wasn’t going to crap out, I removed the Catahoula bankline, replacing it with cheap Walmart bankline.
After testing the cheap stuff, I re-wrapped the handle with the same Catahoula line I had removed, and it’s still on my Pillar, right now, and I still haven’t had a single issue with it.
As for the cheap stuff, I didn’t even make it through an entire day before it started fading horribly. Some areas had fade, or rubbed off onto my hands and shirt, where it was touching the knife handle as it hung from my belt. After just two or three days, some portions of the cheap stuff were nearly white. I also noticed that it had a tendency to fray and unravel at the ends, where I cut the cordage. Both the Walmart and Catahoula banklines were braided, so that should not have happened.
I also tested how well each variety held up to being scraped across hard, rough surfaces (like you would expect if you tied it to a tree, or using it as emergency boot/shoe strings, for example).
My conclusion?
If you plan to use bankline in a one-and-done type of situation - like a day-hike, camping for two or three days, etc. - where you won’t mind using it, then tossing it out, definitely choose the cheap stuff. However, if you plan on using it for long periods, tying and untying it, reusing it, DEFINITELY choose the Catahoula, unless of course you don’t mind crashing to the ground in the middle if the night, because the cheap bankline you’re using to hang your hammock, frayed and weakened from friction against tree bark.
I agree but I prefer the twisted to the braided.
Survival On Purpose: Oh, definitely. For at least 90 percent of anything I’ll ever need it for, I’d absolutely go for the twisted. It’s way more versatile. I only tested, and referenced the braided, because I bought one of those smaller Catahoula rolls, the really squat rolls, specifically to wrap knife handles and put in my EDC kit. As much as I know LOGICALLY that the twisted is a smarter option, seeing those little unraveled ends bugs me...LOL.
That, and I wanted to get across that you really wouldn’t want to rely on the cheap stuff for emergency use, long-term use/reuse, and definitely not for survival. I forgot to mention it, but the Walmart bankline, at least here at my local store in Oklahoma, looks and feel EXACTLY like the good stuff. Even smells a bit..lol.
BUT....
I dug a bit, found out it wasn’t treated with actual tar, but with some kind of weird, epoxy-like stuff. It performs LIKE A CHAMP.......for about an hour...LOL.
Thanks for the heads up
So that’s what bank line is. I’ve never seen it before. Educated!!!
I'm glad it helped.
Always enjoy your informative videos, thank you ...
bankline comes in two types, twisted or braided. Twisted will unravel into 3 strands when cut. Braided will not unravel.
HA HA LARIOUS! Those two peices of string reminded me of "Smilimg Bob" (Pathfinder) and Bob's neighbor (Walmart brand) LOFL!🤣🤣🤣 BTW, great comparison and alerting the community!
Hey Brian, it appears that you may not be aware that there are two different types of bankline -- twisted (apple) and braided (orange)? It looks like the Walmart spool is twisted -- as the Catahoula Mfg. label is blue -- while the Pathfinder is braided -- Catahoula's red label if you were to buy through NetsandMore.com. And when it comes to tying knots, like for a ridgeline for a tarpaulin shelter, yes the braided is the type to use. However the twisted type is more versatile. So, if you need to mend a tear in your pants or do some fishing the twisted is the go to type because it can be untwisted and used like you would the internals of any other paracord. Also the method of taring the line differs between manufacturers. As well as it costs less to manufacture twisted. Ergo the price difference between the two examples. Just something to consider.
Actually, the Catahoula I showed here (that I bought from Pathfinder) was twisted. I also bought some Catahoula braided at the same time but I don't like it for much of anything. It just seems a little too rough for many knots (at least to me). It does have the advantage of not coming untwisted. Diffeent strokes.....
@@SurvivalOnPurpose Brian, thank you for your response. Appreciate the added input.
Looking forward to this
Thanks, that was very helpful.
here are some findings about bank line
Size Strength Uses
#6 21lbs/9.5 Kg Netting/Light lashing/Bushcraft Cordage/Hunting snares
#9 44lbs/20 Netting/light lashing/Bushcraft Cordage/Hunting snares
#12 47lbs/21.3Kg Netting/Light lashing/bushcraft cordage/Hunting snares
#15 52lbs/27.2Kg Netting/Light&Medium lashing/Bushcraft cordage
Hunting snares
#18 53lbs/24Kg Med/Hvy Netting/light-Heavy lashing/CornBrooms
Bushcraft cordage/Hunting snares
#21 All the above
#36 111lbs/50kg All the above.
Cheers ;-)) hope this helps out ;-))
size refers to the Thread thickness, not the amount of thread on a Tube. the greater size, the stronger the bankline.
Kanzee Thanks for the data. Yeah, and since most spools are one pound, the smaller the diameter of line, the more length on the spool. Just call me Captain Obvious ;-)
Thanks very much for the vid. You just saved thousands of people from the disappointment of cheapiing out at Walmart on this item
Just callingo them like I see them.
I bye from Dave because of his contribution to our community, new guys and youth can get a full education from his you tube efforts.
I also am a Ham operator, WA8QFE and use bank line for stringing up my antennas like the previous viewer KJ4RMZ.
Thanks for your efforts !
Lee, Indianapolis WA8QFE and "BushRadio" on Bushcraft USA
I agree about Dave. I learned a LOT from his videos
excellent video. i have to agree: the tarred one is wonderful for knots. i just haven't found a place that sells it here in europe. shipping and taxes from usa is so expensive.
Bummer. If I can find a source for you I'll let you know.
"kinda limp."
No better way to describe the Wal-Mart version. :)
+NGMonocrom ;-)
Limp as a noodle
nice job. Good comparison. I use to buy it at Walmart and it was the real thing back then cheap. But now days they use a much cheaper version and its not tared. My survival shelter I built I used the good stuff I had from Walmart from about 5 years ago. Its still holding. But with the newer stuff. DOn't think it would.....lol
It probably would work OK. I just think the "real" stuff is better for the long term and easier to work with.
Oh I agree. IF its not sticky feeling and stiffer its junk.
Used bankline AKA tarred seine line, for well over a half century. Both commercially in the ocean as well as out in the woods. RF Ederer is the superior quality on the market. It has a black spider on the label but they only run enough for their accounts. Not junk runs for Amazon. Next is now Catahoula which is close. The whole bankline/bushcraft notion of only using #15 or #36 is hogwash learned on YT the last 10 years. Though #36 and larger get used down south a lot for catfish.
I consistently buy #9 and #12. Never had either one break doing "camp craft". Much better value for the money. But if you only listen to YT or Dave, don't buy them and find out for yourself.
I'll have to check them out if I can find any. Once line gets too small it can be harder to work with in my experience
I know this video is old, but as of 7/19/18 Amazon sells a 1 lb roll of #36 tarred Catahoula bank line for $19.22, whereas Self Reliance Outfitters sells the same roll for $12.95... I'm not endorsing anything, but I wanted to point this out...
Good to know
Look's like Walmart brand has erectile dysfunction 😹
Ty glad I got an answer to the question I have been thinking of.
+Jose Ortiz You're welcome.
The Pathfinder bank line is made by Memphisnet,net. The product description is word-for-word from the Memphisnet website. Their price is $4 less than Pathfinder, but watch out for shipping costs.
I guess they changed vendors. This is an older video.
The tar is really useful if your going to use it as actual Bank or trot line... and yes knots will definitely hold better... However if you like some of the qualities of Para Cord then the Walmart bankline will be better suited to your needs... The Stickyness and inability to untie knots can be a major annoyance... And if your looking for an affordable nylon cordage thats strong and easier to untie then the Walmart brand is probably a better choice.... If your actually going to set up a trot line then i would get Dave's or Memphis Net's bank line.
rainmechanic Good points, but I like the tarred kind better for most things.
I actually did some more in depth research on that tarred bank line and what ive come up with is that Nylon Cord does not need to be tarred for the same reasons that Hemp rope was originally tarred..... However what the tarring does accomplish with Nylon Rope is to markedly enhance its resistance to UV decomposition.. Mildew, Water borne parasites/organisms, and enhance knot holding.... So on second thought this would probably be desirable characteristics if you had to use this cordage over a long life span... I may purchase some of the higher quality bank line to see if its easier to work with.... I would imagine being stiffer enhances its ability to resist tangling.
BTW, i very much enjoy your video's.... You have an exceedingly agreeable personality / attitude...
You can buy Catahula blue label. Same stuff available on Amazon 😀 I'm Married to a Cajun so there's that. Do I support anybody who tests and vouches for a product like Dave? Yes. Do we love SOP? YES!! no point in argument. Use what works for you. Heck get you 2000 ft of industrial grade 36 MASON'S TWINE and soak it in tar until you can smell it cross de bayou😂😂 The important thing is water resistant weight holding easy to knot Great video
Thanks !
Good words friend ! Keep up the good work brother. 😊
Hi, just wanted to add something to this I haven't seen mentioned. The pathfinder line definitely looks like it has more tar, but the Wal-Mart brand line is twisted and from the looks of it, the pathfinder line is braided. I just watched a video from common sense camper(I think) laying out the uses for both types. It was pretty interesting and I think it's useful to know. Thanks.
Both were twisted
the Walmart brand works well for what it is intended for. it holds up my tarp, held together my camp furniture held up my pants when my belt broke. you can separate the strands. of course if you have to tie on a wing to a jet fighter, or fence off your property to protect yourself from a zombie hoard then by all means get the Canterbury bank line. if not, save ten bucks and buy your girl some flowers! she will think your wonderful! and that's my survival tip of the day.
Honestly, I just prefer the Catahoula (which is what Dave sells but you can get it other places too) because the stiffness of the tar just seems to make it easier to work with to me. But as far as strength goes there is probably no difference.
Next time I go to Hampton I'm gonna stop at Bass Pro, Dave Canterbury says they carry the good stuff there too. Excuse to go to Bass Pro, maybe.... I picked up about 40 feet of carbon fiber aviation wire lacing, in aviation it's sometimes called spot tie. I wound it on a paper clip and put it in my cordage pocket on my pack, but I could put it on a key ring. It's waxed so it stays together really really good. It's not really that expensive online. Edit, I read that and pulled that cordage out of my pack and put it on my key ring. 40 feet of extra edc cordage, same size as my whistle. Cause in a real "survival" situation all I'll probably have on me is my keys and if I'm lucky my belt knife, not likely my pack.
Sounds interesting. Where can we find some of that lacing?
www.skygeek.com/lacing-cord.html
Now, you know where I work, so that's where I got mine, the black stuff is mil spec. That's what I have. There's a bunch of websites, that sell it. it will hold straight out just like that tarred bank line. it's lighter, not as strong but it's multi ply, waxed etc. edit, I guess it's nylon. Strong as a zip strip it's designed for wire tying. But I said hey I can wind a mess of this up and take up no space, it ties tight and is really strong. would be great in an emergency I think.
If it is not stronger, I would find the tar an issue. I know the Walmart stuff unravels, but that is what a lighter an overhand knot are for. But have wondered why buy from DC, just because he recommends it. You decide.
Tim Barton Well, some of the Catahoula Bank line is on Amazon, but the only place I could find #18 was in Dave's store. At least, it wasn't on Amazon and if I'm going to buy it from somewhere else at the same price as DC sells if for I choose to support him. I have bought a fair amount of gear from the Pathfinder Store and all of it has been first rate quality at what I consider a fair price.
Braided verses twisted has different use possibilities too. 😳😎