@musio.offical Today I tried to sign up for a month after my 2022 trial, and I couldn't pay any order with my brazilian card (which is supposed to be discover internationally, but it is debit). I tried all the options but it doesn't work, same for all the other sample library developers, there are no retailers that represent you here either. Iin short I can't use your service, please add more options for us!
I found out about it about 10 days ago, and when I learned it has SO MANY great quality instruments, and it's SO CHEAP, especially now having a 50$ discount, it was a no brainer for me. I bought it instantly, and I am absolutely in love!
Samuel, your composition and the recording sound great! Convincingly, realistic. To my ear, as good as or better than a lot of the music I’ve heard on TV, movies and games. I bought the Musio 1 perpetual license for $200. As a music hobbyist, I find this to be a great value. To me, the cost is justified by the Tina Guo cellos, the Gina C flutes and the Drums of War alone, not to mention a toolkit with hundreds of other orchestral instruments - just in case. Also great is the ability to audition instruments and articulations and download only the ones you need. I wish Musio had been available before I purchased a bunch of large, expensive orchestral libraries, and clogged up my hard drive with them.
Samuel. Your piece really shows what Musio is all about; a very short path to very big sounding cues. I love the simple user interface and the install was flawless. I have a massive set of libraries templated up in Nuendo. Musio plays well with all of them so far. The player remains very responsive even when using fast switching with Divisimate, multi-channel Cthulhu and lots of expression data. And yes, certain libraries playing back in Kontakt have more real-time controls, but sometimes simple is better. If the user interface stays clean as things like mic positions and legato switching come along, I can see Musio moving up my template very quickly. The headache free library access is really a standout.
Thank's Mark! I agree the plugin has evolved really well. Cinesamples is, imho, working really well to balance new feature development with performance and quality. Obviously, I wish things would develop faster. But, I'd rather have features a bit later well done than earlier but affecting the overall performance of the plugin. As I stated in the video, I know of some people who had occasional problems in specific work-flows and constellations. And as far as I can tell from the interactions I see, Cinesamples hunts down every single bug they get reported. Including things like CPU usage spikes and/or being heavy on the memory etc...
Unlike those here who don't like to crowd a hard drive, I would prefer to own everything that I use. In fact, I have two 2T hard drives for my sample libraries and am pleased that I can compose anywhere... EVEN WITHOUT INTERNET ACCESS!!! While I realize that for a one time buy out fee I could have lifetime access to all of the files, I'd rather be able to choose what I purchase and use. Just my own feelings about the matter. Cheers!
New to your channel and sounds fantastic demo and content Samuel. Also a Studio One user so very relevant content am sure so nice to know Musio works so well in that DAW. Musio sounds great and interested. Legato control for me is a big omission as it stands. If I purchased a perpetual licence, when the legato control and extra mic positions are introduced will that be a free upgrade, or will there be an additional fee to pay? Do you have any idea on that?
I cannot promise about the legato controls. They did say at some point in a live Q&A session that any improvement to an existing instrument will be available for license owners. But, they might also just as well release a new package with advanced legato stuff or so. Hard to tell. Mic positions, though, had been announced as part of Musio 1, so I expect that licence owners will get them.
@@SamuFL Thanks Samuel. After a bit of pondering I subscribed to the perpetual seeing it's such incredible value. Sales price of the Kontakt version of Cine Harp (which I was thinking of getting during Black Friday sales anyway) alone is reduced to £140 in the summer sale, yet Musio was only £154 including tax here in the UK for virtually their entire collection. So an absolute no brainer despite some of the shortcommings. Danke!
Ouff... I don't know to be honset. I haven't seen such a seeting. But I also haven't looked for it to be hones... Let me check... Nope, didn't find one. I will ask in the Discord server whether Cinesamples has some setting for that...
I really like Musio. It‘s my goto paintbrush - very usable sounds and it just doesn‘t get in the way of my creative process. Moreover, unlike other vendors they have continued to innovate and update since I bought it.
I hate subscriptions, but I got a edu discount, year sub for $49, and I don't have any paid libraries yet, only free stuff. When i first demoed Musio, it was very limited, I hated it, but I know they did some updates, so, should I get it now or save for some libraries? Do I get a loyalty discount if I want the perpetual?
@@GoOKuSj33 yes, I would recommend Musio. At $199 is a great deal. You get all the updates until the end of the year. I haven’t had to purchase new Musio libraries yet.
@@spokansas I haven’t had to purchase new libraries yet. All the updates are good until the end of the year. I already received 6 new libraries in the past 9 months.
Samuel: "...so you get to hear what sort of sound you get out of Musio 1". At that precise moment, RUclips freezes, so I get to hear: nothing! (Don't worry, it did eventually start up again!)
Looks very playable, if I had only that I would use it for sure, but the issue I've heard is the room they were recorded in, it's too big, the winds lose quite a bit of their detail, Berlin WW or CSW sound more refined to me. Cinebrass sounds amazing tho, but unfortunately they use separate patches which is a pain.
@@GoOKuSj33 but don’t forget that I said content cinewinds has a lot of stuff that you can’t find in a regular woodwinds library don’t get me wrong it’s not a go to library this days like Berlin woodwinds or EW H.o but it’s very unique and of course one of the best choices and another prove that Cinesamples stuff are unique
I love Musio, but i think their world series is unfortunately a huge missed opportunity. For example, in The most recent "Ireland" pack they recorded I think only 5 instruments? If you travel halfway around the world to record native instruments, i am pretty sure there are a lot more than 5.
I agree. That's what I meant by "a mixed bag". Some of the Iceland drums are imho really great! But the Tagelharpa is a missed opportunity. Similar with Ireland collection: The Accordeons are actually nice, but the Uilleann Pipes are so limited. But hey! On the other hand, and that's how I like to see it, it's better to have those sounds available than not to have them. And they have been adding stuff to Musio 1 for exitsing customers - which I think is great.
@SamuFL but it worries me that they can miss such opportunities. What does it say about the management, or worse, the future of cinesamples? I worry that they aren't earning enough money with musio, and it won't last long. look at eastwest, much more expensive. Cinesamples is basically giving away their entire catalogue for almost free. The plan of making musio 1, musio 2 and so on would make much more sense to me if they capitalised more on the opportunities of creating higher quality sample libraries in the future, but as I see it right now, I worry people won't find enough reason every year to upgrade from musio 1 to 2 and so on...
@@svendkorsgaard9599 I understand your concerns. I am not worried so much. I mean, I have NO insights into how Musio is actually performing financially, but I feel it's gaining a lot of traction. Yes, it's quite affordable. I know too little about the business model and the licence costs of Kontakt etc... Concenrning the quality of newer world series packs: I believe recording "out there" is much more challenging than recording in your "home stage" if you know what I mean. So, I cannot judge the challenges they are facing. Women of the North, e.g,. is just WOW. And to the best of my knowledge, that's a Musio exculsive. As with all subscription services, there is always some level of trust if you're going to rely on the service. That is why I opted for a perpetual licence. Even if Musio is ever discontinued, I am confident, that Musio 1 customers will be able to dowload the full catalogue and keep using it forever. Is there a guarantee? Nope. But Cinesamples is a professional manufacturer with lots of industry experience.
It's from Cinesamples and really can't trust them from how they behaved a few years ago (increased prices for very old libraries without substantial updates just to then have them on "fake" sales that were basically the previous full price if I remember correctly)
Well, there are different marketing strategies. I have no insights into the actual business side of sample library production, marketing and such. But I do understand that the market is tough, and I understand there are different strategies how to present yourself as a library producer. Some producers just don't have "sales" at all. Other have outrageous "list prices" and are on "90% flahs sale" almost all the time. Most are somehwhere in between those extremes. So far, my personal experiences with Cinesamples have been quite positive. I don't perceive them to be on the extreme end of "sale sale sale". This being said, they do have sales for summer, back to school, black friday, christmas, ... But then, most do.
@@SamuFL you are right; in my case I was just unhappy with some changes they did a few years back that were not customer friendly imho. They were probably be fair and necessary for them to evolve their business, but felt unfair to me enough to lose trust. They were regularly doing a certain sale on certain products that were somewhat dated. Can't remember the amount but let's say 40%. Those products were good quality but not competitive with newer ones at full price (imho). I was waiting for their next sale to get one library but at some point they almost doubled (? can't remember tbh) the price to the point that even on sale it was close to the previous regular price. You might find more details on forums like vi control if the the posts are still there
@@SamuFL thanks for the video by the way; what you mentioned about resource usage made me curious enough to download the trial version and I agree that the player is well made. I can definitely see value in this offering, I just hope they don't push for upgrades too aggressively for people who buy the lifetime version.
I actually don't know how anyone can use midi in Studio one without going insane. Even though I'd never get used to lack of event list, as that's just me and that IS subjective, I can not believe the delete doubles and overlap macros never fully work. They failed 100% of the time for me and always left notes on top of one another. Without an event list, that is even MORE crucial a feature and needs to work properly. The performance is also so bad (those with modern computers may think it's fine, but not realise they'd be getting a minimum of 30% more plugins in most other DAWs), I simply do not get the love for this DAW and wish I never subscribed for a year. It's so messy to look at also. I know this is OT but scoring this kind of music in S1 would be a personal hell for me so I couldn't help myself, sorry. Nice music btw and sounds though!
BTW before anyone asks, for this kind of music I would use Nuendo 13. I stopped using Logic in 2018. For my personal more commercial music I use Pro Tools. So I have N13 and PT 2024.6 in the studio, and uninstalled S1 and Logic completely.
I sense a deeply rooted broken relationship between you and S1 😅. For me it's good 🤷♂️. I love the track preset feature and the sound variations. I see everybody else maintain huge templates - I just drag and drop my track presets. Anyway, I acknowledge the internal custom midi format isn't the best idea Presonus ever had. By the way, good to hear you like the sounds and music, though 🤘
Al I can say is meh!. There are too many sample libraries and I do understand stand there usefulness, but non of them are convincing as the real thing.
And samples probably never will be as convincing as a recorded human player. And a sample will also probably never replace an orchestrator working TOGETHER with the instrumentalists to make a piece sound great. Agreed - and still: We live in phantastic times where high quality affordable sample libraries are on the market for anyone to use and enjoy the craft of composing - without needing access to a real orchestra :D
To 99% of people, sample libraries are as convincing as the real thing when used properly. So either you're the 1%, or you don't know how to use them properly...
This is a great overview, Samuel! We love having you part of our Beta Testing team. This piece is epic!
Thank you so much! It's great being part of the journey!
@musio.offical Today I tried to sign up for a month after my 2022 trial, and I couldn't pay any order with my brazilian card (which is supposed to be discover internationally, but it is debit). I tried all the options but it doesn't work, same for all the other sample library developers, there are no retailers that represent you here either. Iin short I can't use your service, please add more options for us!
Hi Samuel 😊, agree with you, loving it 👍🏼 congrat for your demo 😊
I found out about it about 10 days ago, and when I learned it has SO MANY great quality instruments, and it's SO CHEAP, especially now having a 50$ discount, it was a no brainer for me. I bought it instantly, and I am absolutely in love!
It's awesome to hear that you're loving the quality and value! It really is a game changer when you find something that exceeds your expectations.
Such a great review. Such a great song. Instant follow.
Fellow Studio One user here.
Very nice review, enjoyed it. :D
Legato Control and Microphone options will be a game changer for sure! Great Video.
Samuel, your composition and the recording sound great! Convincingly, realistic. To my ear, as good as or better than a lot of the music I’ve heard on TV, movies and games.
I bought the Musio 1 perpetual license for $200. As a music hobbyist, I find this to be a great value. To me, the cost is justified by the Tina Guo cellos, the Gina C flutes and the Drums of War alone, not to mention a toolkit with hundreds of other orchestral instruments - just in case.
Also great is the ability to audition instruments and articulations and download only the ones you need. I wish Musio had been available before I purchased a bunch of large, expensive orchestral libraries, and clogged up my hard drive with them.
Samuel. Your piece really shows what Musio is all about; a very short path to very big sounding cues. I love the simple user interface and the install was flawless. I have a massive set of libraries templated up in Nuendo. Musio plays well with all of them so far. The player remains very responsive even when using fast switching with Divisimate, multi-channel Cthulhu and lots of expression data. And yes, certain libraries playing back in Kontakt have more real-time controls, but sometimes simple is better. If the user interface stays clean as things like mic positions and legato switching come along, I can see Musio moving up my template very quickly. The headache free library access is really a standout.
Thank's Mark! I agree the plugin has evolved really well. Cinesamples is, imho, working really well to balance new feature development with performance and quality. Obviously, I wish things would develop faster. But, I'd rather have features a bit later well done than earlier but affecting the overall performance of the plugin. As I stated in the video, I know of some people who had occasional problems in specific work-flows and constellations. And as far as I can tell from the interactions I see, Cinesamples hunts down every single bug they get reported. Including things like CPU usage spikes and/or being heavy on the memory etc...
Unlike those here who don't like to crowd a hard drive, I would prefer to own everything that I use. In fact, I have two 2T hard drives for my sample libraries and am pleased that I can compose anywhere... EVEN WITHOUT INTERNET ACCESS!!! While I realize that for a one time buy out fee I could have lifetime access to all of the files, I'd rather be able to choose what I purchase and use. Just my own feelings about the matter. Cheers!
Musio sounds amazing. Thanks for this!
New to your channel and sounds fantastic demo and content Samuel. Also a Studio One user so very relevant content am sure so nice to know Musio works so well in that DAW.
Musio sounds great and interested. Legato control for me is a big omission as it stands. If I purchased a perpetual licence, when the legato control and extra mic positions are introduced will that be a free upgrade, or will there be an additional fee to pay? Do you have any idea on that?
I cannot promise about the legato controls. They did say at some point in a live Q&A session that any improvement to an existing instrument will be available for license owners. But, they might also just as well release a new package with advanced legato stuff or so. Hard to tell. Mic positions, though, had been announced as part of Musio 1, so I expect that licence owners will get them.
@@SamuFL Thanks Samuel. After a bit of pondering I subscribed to the perpetual seeing it's such incredible value. Sales price of the Kontakt version of Cine Harp (which I was thinking of getting during Black Friday sales anyway) alone is reduced to £140 in the summer sale, yet Musio was only £154 including tax here in the UK for virtually their entire collection. So an absolute no brainer despite some of the shortcommings. Danke!
You got my like and sub 😋 All I want to know now: Is there „global tuning“ ..? Can I tune it down to 432 Hz ..?
Ouff... I don't know to be honset. I haven't seen such a seeting. But I also haven't looked for it to be hones... Let me check... Nope, didn't find one. I will ask in the Discord server whether Cinesamples has some setting for that...
@@SamuFL Cheers 🙏🏻 I think it should be an easy task to implement a pitch (tune) in cents .. well, Kontakt has it 😜
Keep rocking 🔥
I really like Musio. It‘s my goto paintbrush - very usable sounds and it just doesn‘t get in the way of my creative process. Moreover, unlike other vendors they have continued to innovate and update since I bought it.
I hate subscriptions, but I got a edu discount, year sub for $49, and I don't have any paid libraries yet, only free stuff. When i first demoed Musio, it was very limited, I hated it, but I know they did some updates, so, should I get it now or save for some libraries? Do I get a loyalty discount if I want the perpetual?
I have the $199 perpetual license. Been using Musio for a year now.
Do you recommend it? Specially regarding the perpetual license.
How much do they charge for new libraries introduced after you bought the perpetual license?
@@GoOKuSj33 yes, I would recommend Musio. At $199 is a great deal. You get all the updates until the end of the year. I haven’t had to purchase new Musio libraries yet.
@@spokansas I haven’t had to purchase new libraries yet. All the updates are good until the end of the year. I already received 6 new libraries in the past 9 months.
@@spokansas We don't know - yet... That an unknown :D
Samuel: "...so you get to hear what sort of sound you get out of Musio 1".
At that precise moment, RUclips freezes, so I get to hear: nothing!
(Don't worry, it did eventually start up again!)
Wish all instruments in Musio had previews
Yes, me too. Almost all have previews by now, though. And they keep expanding it.
use youtube man
Cinesample stuff is always fire just look at cinewinds content compared to other woodwinds libraries back then same goes to cinebrass
Cinesamples is great. I am a HUGE fan of Cinebrass. It's my go-to brass library by default.
Looks very playable, if I had only that I would use it for sure, but the issue I've heard is the room they were recorded in, it's too big, the winds lose quite a bit of their detail, Berlin WW or CSW sound more refined to me. Cinebrass sounds amazing tho, but unfortunately they use separate patches which is a pain.
@@GoOKuSj33 but don’t forget that I said content cinewinds has a lot of stuff that you can’t find in a regular woodwinds library don’t get me wrong it’s not a go to library this days like Berlin woodwinds or EW H.o but it’s very unique and of course one of the best choices and another prove that Cinesamples stuff are unique
I love Musio, but i think their world series is unfortunately a huge missed opportunity. For example, in The most recent "Ireland" pack they recorded I think only 5 instruments?
If you travel halfway around the world to record native instruments, i am pretty sure there are a lot more than 5.
I agree. That's what I meant by "a mixed bag". Some of the Iceland drums are imho really great! But the Tagelharpa is a missed opportunity. Similar with Ireland collection: The Accordeons are actually nice, but the Uilleann Pipes are so limited. But hey! On the other hand, and that's how I like to see it, it's better to have those sounds available than not to have them. And they have been adding stuff to Musio 1 for exitsing customers - which I think is great.
@SamuFL but it worries me that they can miss such opportunities. What does it say about the management, or worse, the future of cinesamples?
I worry that they aren't earning enough money with musio, and it won't last long. look at eastwest, much more expensive. Cinesamples is basically giving away their entire catalogue for almost free.
The plan of making musio 1, musio 2 and so on would make much more sense to me if they capitalised more on the opportunities of creating higher quality sample libraries in the future, but as I see it right now, I worry people won't find enough reason every year to upgrade from musio 1 to 2 and so on...
@@svendkorsgaard9599 I understand your concerns. I am not worried so much. I mean, I have NO insights into how Musio is actually performing financially, but I feel it's gaining a lot of traction. Yes, it's quite affordable. I know too little about the business model and the licence costs of Kontakt etc...
Concenrning the quality of newer world series packs: I believe recording "out there" is much more challenging than recording in your "home stage" if you know what I mean. So, I cannot judge the challenges they are facing. Women of the North, e.g,. is just WOW. And to the best of my knowledge, that's a Musio exculsive.
As with all subscription services, there is always some level of trust if you're going to rely on the service. That is why I opted for a perpetual licence. Even if Musio is ever discontinued, I am confident, that Musio 1 customers will be able to dowload the full catalogue and keep using it forever. Is there a guarantee? Nope. But Cinesamples is a professional manufacturer with lots of industry experience.
It's from Cinesamples and really can't trust them from how they behaved a few years ago (increased prices for very old libraries without substantial updates just to then have them on "fake" sales that were basically the previous full price if I remember correctly)
Well, there are different marketing strategies. I have no insights into the actual business side of sample library production, marketing and such. But I do understand that the market is tough, and I understand there are different strategies how to present yourself as a library producer. Some producers just don't have "sales" at all. Other have outrageous "list prices" and are on "90% flahs sale" almost all the time. Most are somehwhere in between those extremes. So far, my personal experiences with Cinesamples have been quite positive. I don't perceive them to be on the extreme end of "sale sale sale". This being said, they do have sales for summer, back to school, black friday, christmas, ... But then, most do.
@@SamuFL you are right; in my case I was just unhappy with some changes they did a few years back that were not customer friendly imho. They were probably be fair and necessary for them to evolve their business, but felt unfair to me enough to lose trust. They were regularly doing a certain sale on certain products that were somewhat dated. Can't remember the amount but let's say 40%. Those products were good quality but not competitive with newer ones at full price (imho). I was waiting for their next sale to get one library but at some point they almost doubled (? can't remember tbh) the price to the point that even on sale it was close to the previous regular price. You might find more details on forums like vi control if the the posts are still there
Found the thread on vi control called "Cinesamples Price Hike?"
@@SamuFL thanks for the video by the way; what you mentioned about resource usage made me curious enough to download the trial version and I agree that the player is well made. I can definitely see value in this offering, I just hope they don't push for upgrades too aggressively for people who buy the lifetime version.
I actually don't know how anyone can use midi in Studio one without going insane. Even though I'd never get used to lack of event list, as that's just me and that IS subjective, I can not believe the delete doubles and overlap macros never fully work. They failed 100% of the time for me and always left notes on top of one another. Without an event list, that is even MORE crucial a feature and needs to work properly. The performance is also so bad (those with modern computers may think it's fine, but not realise they'd be getting a minimum of 30% more plugins in most other DAWs), I simply do not get the love for this DAW and wish I never subscribed for a year. It's so messy to look at also. I know this is OT but scoring this kind of music in S1 would be a personal hell for me so I couldn't help myself, sorry. Nice music btw and sounds though!
BTW before anyone asks, for this kind of music I would use Nuendo 13. I stopped using Logic in 2018. For my personal more commercial music I use Pro Tools. So I have N13 and PT 2024.6 in the studio, and uninstalled S1 and Logic completely.
I sense a deeply rooted broken relationship between you and S1 😅. For me it's good 🤷♂️. I love the track preset feature and the sound variations. I see everybody else maintain huge templates - I just drag and drop my track presets. Anyway, I acknowledge the internal custom midi format isn't the best idea Presonus ever had.
By the way, good to hear you like the sounds and music, though 🤘
Al I can say is meh!. There are too many sample libraries and I do understand stand there usefulness, but non of them are convincing as the real thing.
And samples probably never will be as convincing as a recorded human player. And a sample will also probably never replace an orchestrator working TOGETHER with the instrumentalists to make a piece sound great. Agreed - and still: We live in phantastic times where high quality affordable sample libraries are on the market for anyone to use and enjoy the craft of composing - without needing access to a real orchestra :D
To 99% of people, sample libraries are as convincing as the real thing when used properly. So either you're the 1%, or you don't know how to use them properly...
Sounds cheap & cheerful