I also believe that Black Panther is one of those characters you have to be very careful with. And I am a Panther main. If you buff him too much he can definitely be oppressive especially in lower ranks and maybe even higher ranks because of the potential of his kit. This nerf makes no sense when other characters are MUCH more problematic. If they keep Panther as is he may need a change like dash reset on kill in addition to his marks for added survivability.
i feel like as a bp main, now u have to play ALMOST PERFECT just to survive. we dont get healed much and dont have outs like other characters do when theyre in danger. if we miss our dash, its pretty much over and the dash is all we got. i still wont stop playing him, but man we gotta be even more precise.
*Drives me mad.* I’ve been playing him a lot more this season trying to get better. I swear I mark a support and with the angle I’m dashing at I only *graze* them with Spirit Rend, technically it still makes a sound that I damage them and gets rid of the mark but guess what *no dash reset* yay I’m dead now. I thought I still had a dash but game said no. It’s just so inconsistent
I hate more that I get just 75 shield from hitting a dash…like it doesn’t help they reduced it now. My solution was they could make it so u have 2 dashes because missing one dash sent u back to spawn but whatevs
Holy shit I thought I was just making up excuses..I could’ve SWORN sometimes that I heard the hit sound but I look to the bottom of my screen and it’s on a fucking cooldown and I die
Exactly correct. He got nerfed because he punishes the skill gap better than any other character. When a BP is cooking, bad players cry, and when bad players cry they won't play your game as much you know
I also believe there's a stigma that "Sweaty-looking characters" are undeniably the best characters even when they have the same counterplay as the rest of the roster.
it wasnt enough to nerf him, they also had to buff all of his counters, and add new counters while ignoring the fact that he has no reg bugs that make him feel unplayable at times
The Nerf would've been fine if it was consistent. I'm not giving Diminishing returns on the 3rd dash. 30 hp per mark is fine. 75 max HP instead of 90 is not. The no regs need to be fixed as well as well as how easily BP can traverse a cluttered ground. I can't tell you how many times I have been stopped by litter on the ground and it's caused me to miss a dash or kick. It's frustrating
His win rate is super skewed compared to all other heroes, Very few people play him because he is so different and hard to play, but the people who do play him are dedicated to him and do pretty well. Only well above average players are even going to play him for more than 10 seconds. So overall it shows him as having a higher win rate than like ironman, punisher, and star lord because those characters have lots of really bad players that play them bringing their win rate down. This becomes less true in diamond or above but Net Ease likely balances more for the majority of the players in the lower ranks and thinks bans should take care of the high ranks well enough. its a pretty dumb way to balance.
@@Kvrsed-pz3vx don’t get me wrong lord Spidey a lot of time, I didn’t start using animation canceling until late in the season so I don’t need it but man did it help a lot bro. At least give Spidey more resources like 4 swings and faster web cluster charges
@@ericbelonga7795yep, get pulled while you’re dashing WD, knocks you out of your dash, so if you happen to survive, you can’t get away. If he misses and uses 2 abilities his shield is high enough you can’t kill him easily, his mid to short range damage is insane, if he taps you one or twice, back to the spawn you go😭😭
The fact that iron fist is the only melee character that can track flyers is still wild. They should add that feature for all melee characters, especially Black Panther.
That’s just it though- can’t have it both ways. Those who are casuals, aren’t committed to the skill (or gap of skill) so if the majority are casuals, and they complain they every business is always gonna side with the most of them versus the least.. it’s still business more than entertainment on their side
I mean that literally is the conflict “glue eater casuals” are the victims of high skill celling characters (bp/spidey) since they are the ones that wont land ccs or heal on react to those and get one shot/combo’ed. bp and spidey literally arent a problem on high elo bc of those reasons, “problem” is when a high elo flanker meets a low elo on qp
This just sounds more like a SBMM issue than anything. How are experienced BP's noobstomping? A noob BP (which I can attest to) will be mostly detrimental to a team.
Changes they need to give Black Panther: Passive: Damage Boost: 20% -> 30% Trigger Condition: Health drops below 100 -> Health drops to 100 or less Spirit Rend: Damage: 80 -> 85 Cooldown:8s -> 7s Spear Toss: Range: 5m spherical radius -> 6.5m spherical radius Whirl: Cooldown: 8s -> 6s
Bro every hero shooter game does this bs They always love to nerf heros that require the most effort/mechanic skills but let other heros that just requires aim walk for free
In high elo it just sometimes felt like u were the tickle monster bc its significantly harder to get a quick pick when the supports and tanks got immensely better, but it was fine because as bp u could just rely on a quick engage disengage to get ult charge, now it just feels like if u don’t get that engage disengage perfectly u Are dead, like he’s still very playable, but they’ve kind of just raised the skill ceiling
100% they nerfed him because of people like you and Necros that just demolish lobbies at times whenever he does he pop off. It’s unfortunate because I feel the nerf a bit more and it’s showing even more against invisible woman and Mr fantastic who can eat your dashes and not give you the reset- even though it’ll take away the mark like you hit them. I don’t think hulk shields or Mr fantastic Reflexive rubber or Invisible woman shield and so much more should completely negate a dash reset, but rather make it to where it doesn’t damage or very little.. easy fix. Hopefully, this won’t lead to a string of bad nerfs/buffs that leads to the games eventual demise like it did for OW or other games that did bad balancing, but he’s in such a sensitive spot that too much and he’s OP, too little and he’s useless.
There’s counter play for black panther namor peni huge counters for them when Hela has a stun a bird to easily to escape and 2 taps most of the hero’s in the game and Hawkeye being able to one shot but lets nerf black panther
Don’t forget Buckys abilities all cc lock him, thor can use his fly on bp during his dash, Jeff’s bubble base attack ccs bp, namor hard counters with turrets, psylocke can dash/go invisible, mantis and Luna can stun him, invisible woman can cc him with the telekinetic attack, squirrel girl root him and prevent dashes, Hawkeye can use his parry to counter a nearby dash, magic can use her uppercut attack to cc out of a dash. Magneto and hulk both can create bubble shields to stop a dash reset, storm can use her aoe attack to kill bp, scarlet witch and luna just need bp on the screen to do damage, and scarlet witch has two get out of jail free cards, punishers turret blocks vibes out mark and sometimes blocks floor dashes if you hit him at the right angle, wolverine can cc lock bp out of his dash using two diff abilities, Starlord can dodge the dash, Spider-Man (I believe) can cc you out of your dash using uppercut, Loki can just go invisible/ switch clones, Jeff, and storm can ult out of a dash death, moonlights ankh for some reason causes a knock back cc which can take bp out of dash, cap can block vibration marks, Adam Warlock can just snap heal or soul-bond to negate death, black widow can kick out of dash, groot can ult during a dash or kick, rocket can use his 2 thrusters to dodge the dash, strange can ult through dash. Basically every character has a counter to BPs dash, he’s only a good character if you’re playing against people who aren’t familiar with him.
I'll cut to the chase for everyone, Black Panther was way to damn tanky and fast again supports. Supports would literally cry like somjuuu has been doing ever since black panther got his shield hp nerfed. Guess what though black panther never relied on that, he has plenty of get out potential still. It just made him basically a near unhittable tanky character which was not fun to play against. Put yourself in the shoes of the support and you will understand it is unfun to play against that. Regardless Black Panther is still good, the reasons he is struggling is synonymous with most melee characters. Namor. Namor is very strong against melee characters and the biggest hard counter to panther, and he got buffed. Plus triple healer meta makes Black Panther a tickle monster. It is just a challenging meta for black panther unfortunately. He still has value don't get me wrong but he isn't the best anymore. He may need a buff in the future, but nothing on his health. Hope they also fix his dashes and stop the noregs.
“They don’t need to buff black panthers health” but winter soldier is able to ezily stack 400 hp just by using his abilities he doesn’t even have to connect with his abilities and he still gets overshield but black panther was just “way to tanky” 🤣 yeah he used to be able to stack a lot of health but it really makes no difference when your getting shot at and everything depends on you hitting your mark which doesn’t even register half the time and he’s supposed to be fast isn’t that his thing? Heroes like magik were able to stack well over 400 hp like black panther used to be able to do before he got nerfed and her overshield got nerfed too but she still has great mobility and is able to ezily stack her hp just by hitting enemy’s so her nerf didn’t really affect her kit as much as it did for black panther without his overshield it’s so easy to die without getting any kills unless you have a decent set of healers and if we’re being honest his ult is garbage it doesn’t even do enough damage to kill full hp squishys you don’t get overshield while your using it like spidey so if ur not quick with it or don’t have full hp u end up dying half of the time while using it and have to wait for it to recharge really all its good for is producing more marks which you still have to be alive for to hit 🤦🏿♂️ but they fixed moonights ult “nerfed” psyloches but her ult still op then you have bucky whose able to wipe whole teams while spamming his ult but they can’t just give bp overshield while using his ult like he should have so he doesn’t die while using it and your saying he was to fast and Tanky for supports like they can’t just self heal all of the damage he does without the overshield when bp run into supports like that he never wins plus isn’t that his job? To go after supports and other duelist? It’s funny how there are people who say that just because people in higher tier lobbies were running through lobbies as black panther and how he had a higher win % last season that’s why he was nerfed this season. We’ll not everyone is a competitive level panther that plays on pc some people casually play for fun and want to learn how to get better at playing their character and this nerf was a phat middle finger in those players faces while heroes like bucky get unnecessary buffs squirrel girl psyloch and moonight get buffs that they needed to make them even more formidable than they already were they don’t touch any of the already op characters like Hawkeye hela and scarlet and don’t touch any of the supports op ults or damage outputs but black panther was just way to op
Our time will come... Everyone is meta at some point. I main Panther and I also find him to be the most difficult character in the game, including Spiderman and Psylocke. I feel like if I put as much time and practice into either of those characters as I have into Panther I would be significantky better at them than I am at Panther, even though Spiderman isnt as good. Which is why its such a shame that he isnt as rewarding as duelists that can just click on you one -three times to do the same job. Balance isnt every hero being equal, its the player getting the value they deserve for their effort. By this logic, considering that Panther has almost definitely the highest skill floor and one of the highest skill ceilings in the game, I feel that Panther should absolutely be prioritized as one of the best and most consistent heroes in the game. There is no reason that his damage potential should be so limited, or for the player to be completely useless for EIGHT SECONDS if they miss one ability, if they manage to survive at all. And to still have no acknowledgement of the noreg bug is just crazy. I make it seem like a much bigger deal than it is, hes still very good and still one of the most fun characters to be found in any multiplayer game
I don't think Psylock is a difficult character) Her right click can erase you pretty fast. Well, the ultimate is just easy to use. BP and spider are much more difficult
Eu acredito que o maior motivo é que quando você morra para o pantera, você sente que não podia fazer nada a respeito, mesmo os outros personagens tendo mais poder de te matar você sente que pode se defender mesmo não sendo verdade
Yeah that’s the cope, but honestly if you gotta play Safe(er) that means you already needed to play safe…so the nerf was 10000% unnecessary, and especially in a game where you add a hybrid tank like Reed to the game and Sue who had slightly more health than most healers and can defend herself more as well with pushing you back or escaping by going invisible.
@Nytellem Yeah sue is pretty rough for us. Def starting to see where you come from after playing him more. Hopefully he gets some compensation buffs down the road.
25 hours on Black panther and now this happens, honestly just a bunch of bs , there were way more characters that needed nerfs but they chose panther.#buffblackpanther
This nerf on top of adding 2 heros that can basically ruin your combos, buffed other heros that you could 1v1 confidentially AND didnt fix the bugged dash is just close to death for BP Omg I literally said the other day if they add a Mech skin its gg for me 😂
Most Kraken Impacts get two off at best. Watching a GM smurf get seven on a Gold 3 lobby isn't a good example of what Winter Soldier's Ultimate can do. If you don't get another kill on the enemy you just dropped on (they only lose 100 health per drop) it goes away. This isn't a normal example of the Ultimate at 2:00.
Wayyy too early on this one, tho yea they don't matter much besides reducing survivability, just gotta play safer now, tho i still hope we had a cooldown buff
after like 6 years of ow i wish marvel js left everything op cuz js like ow they nerf characters w a high skillcurve and not ez to play ppl and wgen they do nerf no matter what they change or who they change it makes the game feel worse than if everyone was good and how u played them was what made them op. if they wanna nerf they should nerf everyone thats op instead of choosing which characters are "annoying" for bad players bcuz that ruins it for high skill players
But also if the logic is that they're catering to the casual community, I don't think they would nerf someone that is already hard to use if ur a casual player
A bit of extra shields when ult is pressed would be great, like the same amount you would get from 1 dash reset. Not saying it should be cc immune cuz that would be broken but some shield would be very helpful
The moment they start messing with characters stats is not a good route in general. Just because players get good and gap others isn't a reason to cater to the weak incapable of getting good.
You can’t say this is just a low elo patch… In S0 he had the 3rd highest winrate overall (pc) and in grandmaster and above he had the 4th highest winrate, just below iron man. I’ve also heard he was a top ban and pick in East Asian countries, and was a lot more of an oppressive pick in their meta, which likely has a lot of influence given the devs are East Asian. But we can’t act like BP wasn’t in a really strong spot before nerfs. Keep up the good content tho bro
As a black panther main my problem with the nerf isn’t with the nerf Is the fact that in the announcement video they only announced Hawkeye and hela nerf And then hela gets a 25hp nerf, but our max bonus health gets a 45hp nerf.. numbers wise we got a bigger nerf.. Is not going to stop me from playing and enjoying black panther But yeesh they should’ve just announced black panther nerf was coming too Edit: and the buff onto winter soldier too… winter soldier punch and hook was already really annoying for panther cause it can interrupt the dash Now winter soldier with additional 25hp puts it just out of kill range of spear - dash - spear - dash combo 😵💫
What’s the context of the winter solider clip? That looks like someone higher elo against bronze players running out of spawn and feeding their brains out. I’m sure if a higher elo bp went into a bronze lobby he could hold them in spawn also
Me personally I don't really think this nerf was racially motivated, but I can see where this argument is coming from. Back in 2018 when black panther was released to worldwide, China had a problem with it but it wasn't the movie itself, it was the movie poster. Where it was showing Chadwick Boseman (rip) without his mask. So they edited the poster where the mask was covering his face. But I don't think this is the same case. If I had to guess, probably one of the developers played the game themselves, and had a bad encounter with a black panther player, and thought he had to be nerfed.
Ya know what though still not gonna stop me from mastering the character with this skill set because if a buff does end up coming I’ll be unstoppable 😂
I’m feeling the impact also w/ the no regs bug with his dashes but I’m curious if this actually true. Sometimes I can tell I dashed way of mark and others I was dead on point and yet no refresh. I think it may be due to the “invincible” buff or effect some characters have and it screws up our cooldowns
2:42 “….I kinda see why they nerfing BP” I still don’t. BP destroys when you know how to play him….and playing well with him takes time, imo. His dashes should have had the hitbox slightly expanded if they we’re going to 1) decrease the shield/heal they give when you successfully refresh 2) not address refreshes sometimes not registering and 3) buff Magik and Winter Soldier when those characters were already in a good spot like BP previously during the holidays
You’re my go 2 panther player, so when I find something wrong I’m coming here lol😂. BUT the dashes and ult need to be invincible or dash resets on kill, because everythin that can pull/push/knock you off your dash kills your reset, ran into a lot of that today. Would be mid dash, get pull/push by su then become a sitting duck😭😭😭
Namor and Penni won't be nerfed because they are low elo friendly heroes. If they nerf black panther because he is a noob stomper, the opposite is true, they keep the easy noob heroes strong or buff because like you said, cater to casuals.
4:14 I said the same thing in 27 been playing games for a long time and you see it a lot female characters get buffed and the characters that require skill get even harder to play for no reason
Ive been in a loby with a good black panther and the dash is way more annoying then the other characters, its not as good, but its more annoying fight. Because there's not solid front line Hot take I don't think his game play is that good. I think the dash is to gimmicky. I think if they down played the dash and focuses more on the spear and gave him a wolverine damage buff, but base it off of low health pool rather then high health pool. Maybe he could throw down a panther totem that has damage rest group buff. Making him a anti flying dps could also be cool. But yeah I think theres to much on the dash, and the rest of his kit needs love.
They don’t plan on buffing him just because there is a new skin coming out. They already maid the skin and after they nerfed him. It’s just a cash grab at this point. As bp player myself don’t get your hopes up.
I’ve noticed it more so happens with certain people. Hulk shields, Magneto shield, invisible woman shield, Mr fantastic Reflexive Rubber, and some more will trigger the sound effect and remove the mark but not reset the dash. Shields shouldn’t stop the dash from resetting, it should only lower or remove the damage from it.
Actually, everyone knows why Black Panther got nerfed: he's one of the most frustrating heroes to deal with (alongside Hawk). This isn't just an issue in low or mid ELO, like some claim, but also in high ELO. Lord Black Panther is simply too fast-landing a freeze or a sleep on him is almost hypothetical (yes, I'm talking about those three dashes in one second). Even if he messes up his timing, giving you a small window for counterplay, and you manage to land your control, he has way too much overheal to sustain himself, so he can just run away. (This is the general consensus, not just my personal opinion.)
Categorically false. First off its not a general consensus and is your personal opinion unless you took the census?! Would loveeeee to see the data and pool of players Its just laughable how the lowest denominator of players talk like its gospel No counterplay? Hmm ok so flying heros, anyone with any displacement, any heros with invisibility or go untargetable, tanks, actually communicate with your team when landing a stun and hes dead 100%, a single heal from any support ruins the burst combo, literally a decent cloak cucks BP, turrets, stuns, loki? Not even getting into the individual abilites that will negate your dash or the fact he is bugged since day 1 to have inconsistent refreshes Yeahh he was soooo OP lol maybe to anyone plat 1 and below playing solo The idea that BP is op or lacks counters is solely on the players own ability to play in the team BPs whole identity is PUNISH mistakes so when you get bursted and die only to cry hes broken maybe its because you had bad positioning and couldnt get a heal or saved so play better 🤷♂️
Your argument is completely off-base. Yes, BP is frustrating-this is a widely accepted fact, and denying it is nothing short of laughable. Go ahead, picture a popular streamer running a poll: “Is BP frustrating: Yes/No?” Trust me, the results would be painfully obvious. As a BP player yourself, your opinion is naturally the most biased of all, so I don’t hold it against you. But let’s be honest, you didn’t even understand the point of my message-I can practically see the blood tears you’re shedding over this. At low and mid elo, BPs miss their combos all the time but don’t get punished because players have bad aim and zero communication. The real issue appears at higher elo, where BPs become consistent, land their combos with ease, and completely remove any semblance of counterplay. It’s a joke how effortless it becomes for them. And your claim that “a single heal ruins the one-shot combo” is downright dishonest. Even if the one-shot doesn’t land in under a second, BP can just continue their chain and kill you in 1.3 to 1.5 seconds instead. Let’s not forget that a skilled BP hits multiple targets with their spear, which only fuels their combo chains, easily bypassing any healing attempts. Calling for your team? Please. By the time they react, you’re already dead. Even in the best-case scenario, they might scrape out a trade at most. If you can’t see these flaws, it’s probably because you’re not one of the “good” BPs I’m talking about. Thanks for reading, though. -High GM Support.
@@keigenzthere really wasn’t lol. Eternity flex support main and there’s no genuine way to counter a GOOD panther. His dashes are too consistent and damage insanely good. No way to react and his survivability made it nearly impossible to kill. It’s almost a 100% certainty that a good panther will have a successful flank if he lands his combos on the supports he is wiping them out effortlessly. You can’t claim its balance if the role that is heavily needed in this game can be wiped out in 3 seconds by 1 person 😂 but I wanna play with panther soon so I’ll just go along and say I hate his nerfs
All jokes aside they prolly nerfed him because he’s black bro. Its a chinese company so I mean….they buffed storm in order to make it look like it wasnt a race thing but c’mon lets be honest….
somju that bucky clip doesn’t happen often as you think at all , bucky main myself that shit is rare in high elo and the enemy team was feeding and they look pretty trash lmao use a better clip next time gang
Console gold player here , I disagree i i am a spider man and black panther main and an ex genji main. I can tell you from playing him and against him. He is not like that. You can counter him pretty easily most of the time, even low ranks. Also, most of us don't know how to play the ding character. I got gold 2 in two days, so I don't know how bad or good I am at the game yet. It's really but I can tell you that from my experience that is just not true
Panther is a character you don’t want meta and I feel like his skill ceiling is so high players will still go crazy with him, he def needs all his bugs fixed tho
I also believe that Black Panther is one of those characters you have to be very careful with. And I am a Panther main. If you buff him too much he can definitely be oppressive especially in lower ranks and maybe even higher ranks because of the potential of his kit. This nerf makes no sense when other characters are MUCH more problematic. If they keep Panther as is he may need a change like dash reset on kill in addition to his marks for added survivability.
I just want him to be cc immune once his dash input has started. I'd say that's only fair with the amount off cc that came with season 1
What i need is to fix his hitbox FFS, I hear the hit but I DO NOT get the Cycle?!!
Lets be honest, you can beat low rank guys on almost any hero, if u're higher rank.
In low rank ppl don't do good with him though, i think he's in a good spot right now.
maybe they should buff his movement to be able to get away, if you miss the dash
Our King is still OD... Bast is still with us.
i feel like as a bp main, now u have to play ALMOST PERFECT just to survive. we dont get healed much and dont have outs like other characters do when theyre in danger. if we miss our dash, its pretty much over and the dash is all we got. i still wont stop playing him, but man we gotta be even more precise.
The dash is all we got until it bugs out and we get no reset. I hate setting up a skillful play and the game says no. We playing on hard mode
@@ayokehinde8006 fr bro, u hear the proc but get no dash reset
make sure your not hitting shields like captain America cause they straight up don't register the mark if they block it
*Drives me mad.* I’ve been playing him a lot more this season trying to get better. I swear I mark a support and with the angle I’m dashing at I only *graze* them with Spirit Rend, technically it still makes a sound that I damage them and gets rid of the mark but guess what *no dash reset* yay I’m dead now. I thought I still had a dash but game said no. It’s just so inconsistent
I hate more that I get just 75 shield from hitting a dash…like it doesn’t help they reduced it now. My solution was they could make it so u have 2 dashes because missing one dash sent u back to spawn but whatevs
They didn’t fix bug during the dash, but they reduced his health. It’s just stupid.
what bug?
@Acinemadness you dont get a hit confirm on some dashes. You hear the sound but dont get a hit
Holy shit I thought I was just making up excuses..I could’ve SWORN sometimes that I heard the hit sound but I look to the bottom of my screen and it’s on a fucking cooldown and I die
I find its often near the end of a lunge which is extra frustrating cuz u get punished for good spacing
Us BP Mains after these "Nerfs": As you can see, I AM NOT DEAD(T'Challa Voice)
Exactly correct. He got nerfed because he punishes the skill gap better than any other character. When a BP is cooking, bad players cry, and when bad players cry they won't play your game as much you know
There’s a difference in “skill gap” and “knowledge gap”. BP needed to get a small nerf.
@Ninobeige That argument can be made about any character then, right? Never need to nerf anything if you can just learn to play around it.
Objectively better characters like Hela and Hawkeye got less effective nerfs than BP. People just dont like the measures needed to deal with BP
I also believe there's a stigma that "Sweaty-looking characters" are undeniably the best characters even when they have the same counterplay as the rest of the roster.
@@sobervision1049that mfer Hawkeye is a monster if your aim and strategy are right
it wasnt enough to nerf him, they also had to buff all of his counters, and add new counters while ignoring the fact that he has no reg bugs that make him feel unplayable at times
The Nerf would've been fine if it was consistent. I'm not giving Diminishing returns on the 3rd dash. 30 hp per mark is fine. 75 max HP instead of 90 is not. The no regs need to be fixed as well as well as how easily BP can traverse a cluttered ground. I can't tell you how many times I have been stopped by litter on the ground and it's caused me to miss a dash or kick. It's frustrating
His win rate is super skewed compared to all other heroes, Very few people play him because he is so different and hard to play, but the people who do play him are dedicated to him and do pretty well. Only well above average players are even going to play him for more than 10 seconds.
So overall it shows him as having a higher win rate than like ironman, punisher, and star lord because those characters have lots of really bad players that play them bringing their win rate down. This becomes less true in diamond or above but Net Ease likely balances more for the majority of the players in the lower ranks and thinks bans should take care of the high ranks well enough. its a pretty dumb way to balance.
Us Spidey and BP mainz gotta stick together. #buffblackpantherandspidey
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Nah facts!
Fr! If they get buffed at least we can say that we stuck with our main at there lowest and that we play characters who we like and not because of meta
@@Kvrsed-pz3vx don’t get me wrong lord Spidey a lot of time, I didn’t start using animation canceling until late in the season so I don’t need it but man did it help a lot bro. At least give Spidey more resources like 4 swings and faster web cluster charges
fr, spiderman gotta do all that but all a hawkeye has to do is hit a body shot to get the same result
Winter Soldier can miss his abilities and still get his over shield....
Black Panther and Spiderman get the Genji treatment.
yesss winter soldier cancels Black panther completely then he's auto dead
@@ericbelonga7795yep, get pulled while you’re dashing WD, knocks you out of your dash, so if you happen to survive, you can’t get away. If he misses and uses 2 abilities his shield is high enough you can’t kill him easily, his mid to short range damage is insane, if he taps you one or twice, back to the spawn you go😭😭
@@jordanashley6450 fr out of no where they be going from storm trooper aim to John wick
@@ericbelonga7795 🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭 right
The fact that iron fist is the only melee character that can track flyers is still wild. They should add that feature for all melee characters, especially Black Panther.
i main Black Panther, and ima have to say no on that.
You can already smack flyers with bp
@@BetterThanBatman I mean yes if you don’t miss your spear
@@BetterThanBatman I mean yes if you don’t miss your spear
if the no regs, and make the whirl move be able to go over little bumps on the ground so you dont get stuck
its weird they did this right before black history month
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lmao Nah y’all funny bru
If they wanna cater to glue eater casuals, go for it. But Don’t make people that play a difficult flanker suffer for it
That’s just it though- can’t have it both ways. Those who are casuals, aren’t committed to the skill (or gap of skill) so if the majority are casuals, and they complain they every business is always gonna side with the most of them versus the least.. it’s still business more than entertainment on their side
I mean that literally is the conflict “glue eater casuals” are the victims of high skill celling characters (bp/spidey) since they are the ones that wont land ccs or heal on react to those and get one shot/combo’ed. bp and spidey literally arent a problem on high elo bc of those reasons, “problem” is when a high elo flanker meets a low elo on qp
This just sounds more like a SBMM issue than anything. How are experienced BP's noobstomping? A noob BP (which I can attest to) will be mostly detrimental to a team.
Changes they need to give Black Panther:
Passive:
Damage Boost: 20% -> 30%
Trigger Condition: Health drops below 100 -> Health drops to 100 or less
Spirit Rend:
Damage: 80 -> 85
Cooldown:8s -> 7s
Spear Toss:
Range: 5m spherical radius -> 6.5m spherical radius
Whirl:
Cooldown: 8s -> 6s
with all due of respect that is coming from a panther main, the whirl change is too fucking op
u gotta make it 7 at least
He’s fine the way he is
If they just fix the noregs I'll be happy
@@lMchMyerslagreed
bp main doing full tekken combo just to confirm 1 kill
Love black panther, i put my little brother onto marvel rivals and he actually likes black panther so now im teaching him how to play it correctly lol
he gonna be making people do 360's getting dizzy xD
I feel you but nobody with a brain is feeding to bucky ult like that
Ong stay in spawn and kill Bucky
this troll ass video 300 hp and geting over shield talking about penny parker this mans doesn't even have it as hard as spiderman
Bro every hero shooter game does this bs
They always love to nerf heros that require the most effort/mechanic skills but let other heros that just requires aim walk for free
In high elo it just sometimes felt like u were the tickle monster bc its significantly harder to get a quick pick when the supports and tanks got immensely better, but it was fine because as bp u could just rely on a quick engage disengage to get ult charge, now it just feels like if u don’t get that engage disengage perfectly u Are dead, like he’s still very playable, but they’ve kind of just raised the skill ceiling
1sec stun w/ 3sec cool down is wild. Especially when it interrupts and takes away ultimates/dash cool downs.
100% they nerfed him because of people like you and Necros that just demolish lobbies at times whenever he does he pop off. It’s unfortunate because I feel the nerf a bit more and it’s showing even more against invisible woman and Mr fantastic who can eat your dashes and not give you the reset- even though it’ll take away the mark like you hit them. I don’t think hulk shields or Mr fantastic Reflexive rubber or Invisible woman shield and so much more should completely negate a dash reset, but rather make it to where it doesn’t damage or very little.. easy fix.
Hopefully, this won’t lead to a string of bad nerfs/buffs that leads to the games eventual demise like it did for OW or other games that did bad balancing, but he’s in such a sensitive spot that too much and he’s OP, too little and he’s useless.
Racially motivated they don’t want a strong Black character to win! Can’t wait for Blade tho
I lost all reason to live after I heard about the nerf. #buffblackpanther
How can they nerf anything before touching support ults
There’s counter play for black panther namor peni huge counters for them when Hela has a stun a bird to easily to escape and 2 taps most of the hero’s in the game and Hawkeye being able to one shot but lets nerf black panther
Don’t forget Buckys abilities all cc lock him, thor can use his fly on bp during his dash, Jeff’s bubble base attack ccs bp, namor hard counters with turrets, psylocke can dash/go invisible, mantis and Luna can stun him, invisible woman can cc him with the telekinetic attack, squirrel girl root him and prevent dashes, Hawkeye can use his parry to counter a nearby dash, magic can use her uppercut attack to cc out of a dash. Magneto and hulk both can create bubble shields to stop a dash reset, storm can use her aoe attack to kill bp, scarlet witch and luna just need bp on the screen to do damage, and scarlet witch has two get out of jail free cards, punishers turret blocks vibes out mark and sometimes blocks floor dashes if you hit him at the right angle, wolverine can cc lock bp out of his dash using two diff abilities, Starlord can dodge the dash, Spider-Man (I believe) can cc you out of your dash using uppercut, Loki can just go invisible/ switch clones, Jeff, and storm can ult out of a dash death, moonlights ankh for some reason causes a knock back cc which can take bp out of dash, cap can block vibration marks, Adam
Warlock can just snap heal or soul-bond to negate death, black widow can kick out of dash, groot can ult during a dash or kick, rocket can use his 2 thrusters to dodge the dash, strange can ult through dash. Basically every character has a counter to BPs dash, he’s only a good character if you’re playing against people who aren’t familiar with him.
I'll cut to the chase for everyone, Black Panther was way to damn tanky and fast again supports.
Supports would literally cry like somjuuu has been doing ever since black panther got his shield hp nerfed. Guess what though black panther never relied on that, he has plenty of get out potential still. It just made him basically a near unhittable tanky character which was not fun to play against.
Put yourself in the shoes of the support and you will understand it is unfun to play against that.
Regardless Black Panther is still good, the reasons he is struggling is synonymous with most melee characters. Namor. Namor is very strong against melee characters and the biggest hard counter to panther, and he got buffed. Plus triple healer meta makes Black Panther a tickle monster. It is just a challenging meta for black panther unfortunately.
He still has value don't get me wrong but he isn't the best anymore.
He may need a buff in the future, but nothing on his health. Hope they also fix his dashes and stop the noregs.
“They don’t need to buff black panthers health” but winter soldier is able to ezily stack 400 hp just by using his abilities he doesn’t even have to connect with his abilities and he still gets overshield but black panther was just “way to tanky” 🤣 yeah he used to be able to stack a lot of health but it really makes no difference when your getting shot at and everything depends on you hitting your mark which doesn’t even register half the time and he’s supposed to be fast isn’t that his thing? Heroes like magik were able to stack well over 400 hp like black panther used to be able to do before he got nerfed and her overshield got nerfed too but she still has great mobility and is able to ezily stack her hp just by hitting enemy’s so her nerf didn’t really affect her kit as much as it did for black panther without his overshield it’s so easy to die without getting any kills unless you have a decent set of healers and if we’re being honest his ult is garbage it doesn’t even do enough damage to kill full hp squishys you don’t get overshield while your using it like spidey so if ur not quick with it or don’t have full hp u end up dying half of the time while using it and have to wait for it to recharge really all its good for is producing more marks which you still have to be alive for to hit 🤦🏿♂️ but they fixed moonights ult “nerfed” psyloches but her ult still op then you have bucky whose able to wipe whole teams while spamming his ult but they can’t just give bp overshield while using his ult like he should have so he doesn’t die while using it and your saying he was to fast and Tanky for supports like they can’t just self heal all of the damage he does without the overshield when bp run into supports like that he never wins plus isn’t that his job? To go after supports and other duelist? It’s funny how there are people who say that just because people in higher tier lobbies were running through lobbies as black panther and how he had a higher win % last season that’s why he was nerfed this season. We’ll not everyone is a competitive level panther that plays on pc some people casually play for fun and want to learn how to get better at playing their character and this nerf was a phat middle finger in those players faces while heroes like bucky get unnecessary buffs squirrel girl psyloch and moonight get buffs that they needed to make them even more formidable than they already were they don’t touch any of the already op characters like Hawkeye hela and scarlet and don’t touch any of the supports op ults or damage outputs but black panther was just way to op
Our time will come... Everyone is meta at some point. I main Panther and I also find him to be the most difficult character in the game, including Spiderman and Psylocke. I feel like if I put as much time and practice into either of those characters as I have into Panther I would be significantky better at them than I am at Panther, even though Spiderman isnt as good. Which is why its such a shame that he isnt as rewarding as duelists that can just click on you one -three times to do the same job. Balance isnt every hero being equal, its the player getting the value they deserve for their effort. By this logic, considering that Panther has almost definitely the highest skill floor and one of the highest skill ceilings in the game, I feel that Panther should absolutely be prioritized as one of the best and most consistent heroes in the game. There is no reason that his damage potential should be so limited, or for the player to be completely useless for EIGHT SECONDS if they miss one ability, if they manage to survive at all. And to still have no acknowledgement of the noreg bug is just crazy. I make it seem like a much bigger deal than it is, hes still very good and still one of the most fun characters to be found in any multiplayer game
I don't think Psylock is a difficult character) Her right click can erase you pretty fast. Well, the ultimate is just easy to use. BP and spider are much more difficult
Eu acredito que o maior motivo é que quando você morra para o pantera, você sente que não podia fazer nada a respeito, mesmo os outros personagens tendo mais poder de te matar você sente que pode se defender mesmo não sendo verdade
Honestly yeah the Black Panther nerfs didn't really do a lot. Just means I have to play safer which I'm cool with.
Yeah that’s the cope, but honestly if you gotta play Safe(er) that means you already needed to play safe…so the nerf was 10000% unnecessary, and especially in a game where you add a hybrid tank like Reed to the game and Sue who had slightly more health than most healers and can defend herself more as well with pushing you back or escaping by going invisible.
@@Nytellemplus it took a execution to hit ur dashes it was a reward plus it’s bugged too 😊
@@Kvrsed-pz3vx God the bug drives me up the wall sometimes
@Nytellem Yeah sue is pretty rough for us. Def starting to see where you come from after playing him more.
Hopefully he gets some compensation buffs down the road.
You can still stomp noob tho, his damage is not nerfed
Iron fist nerf aswell and not to mention the Hawkeye nerf basically did nothing to him.
25 hours on Black panther and now this happens, honestly just a bunch of bs , there were way more characters that needed nerfs but they chose panther.#buffblackpanther
😂 i guess people starting to see what bp can do that’s why squad wipe in like 5 secs but it takes skill
The nerf was totally reasonable, i don't get why people think its unfair, id like to point out that winter soldier was also nerfed
As a black panther main I subbed
This nerf on top of adding 2 heros that can basically ruin your combos, buffed other heros that you could 1v1 confidentially AND didnt fix the bugged dash is just close to death for BP
Omg I literally said the other day if they add a Mech skin its gg for me 😂
And punisher immunity is still here
Black panther needs his passive activate sooner and give him more damage genuinely switched off Bp and played magik and he geuninly just feels so weak
we need 3 spears and a cooldown buff
Victory belongs to Wakanda
if they make black panther have three spears instead of two that would be crazy and balance him out since he got a survivability nerf
Most Kraken Impacts get two off at best. Watching a GM smurf get seven on a Gold 3 lobby isn't a good example of what Winter Soldier's Ultimate can do. If you don't get another kill on the enemy you just dropped on (they only lose 100 health per drop) it goes away. This isn't a normal example of the Ultimate at 2:00.
genuinely hope they don’t eventually nerf him too bad, he’s so fun n good esp if ur good w him.
Wayyy too early on this one, tho yea they don't matter much besides reducing survivability, just gotta play safer now, tho i still hope we had a cooldown buff
after like 6 years of ow i wish marvel js left everything op cuz js like ow they nerf characters w a high skillcurve and not ez to play ppl and wgen they do nerf no matter what they change or who they change it makes the game feel worse than if everyone was good and how u played them was what made them op. if they wanna nerf they should nerf everyone thats op instead of choosing which characters are "annoying" for bad players bcuz that ruins it for high skill players
But also if the logic is that they're catering to the casual community, I don't think they would nerf someone that is already hard to use if ur a casual player
A bit of extra shields when ult is pressed would be great, like the same amount you would get from 1 dash reset. Not saying it should be cc immune cuz that would be broken but some shield would be very helpful
The moment they start messing with characters stats is not a good route in general. Just because players get good and gap others isn't a reason to cater to the weak incapable of getting good.
You can’t say this is just a low elo patch… In S0 he had the 3rd highest winrate overall (pc) and in grandmaster and above he had the 4th highest winrate, just below iron man. I’ve also heard he was a top ban and pick in East Asian countries, and was a lot more of an oppressive pick in their meta, which likely has a lot of influence given the devs are East Asian. But we can’t act like BP wasn’t in a really strong spot before nerfs.
Keep up the good content tho bro
#BUFFBLACKPANTHER
As a black panther main my problem with the nerf isn’t with the nerf
Is the fact that in the announcement video they only announced Hawkeye and hela nerf
And then hela gets a 25hp nerf, but our max bonus health gets a 45hp nerf.. numbers wise we got a bigger nerf..
Is not going to stop me from playing and enjoying black panther
But yeesh they should’ve just announced black panther nerf was coming too
Edit: and the buff onto winter soldier too… winter soldier punch and hook was already really annoying for panther cause it can interrupt the dash
Now winter soldier with additional 25hp puts it just out of kill range of spear - dash - spear - dash combo 😵💫
What’s the context of the winter solider clip? That looks like someone higher elo against bronze players running out of spawn and feeding their brains out. I’m sure if a higher elo bp went into a bronze lobby he could hold them in spawn also
That winter soldier clip is just in bronze or something. First they can’t aim, second they can just wait out his ult after he team wipes.
i dont get how BP was nerfed harder than psylocke, not only is she hella strong but shes also so easy to use
Me personally I don't really think this nerf was racially motivated, but I can see where this argument is coming from. Back in 2018 when black panther was released to worldwide, China had a problem with it but it wasn't the movie itself, it was the movie poster. Where it was showing Chadwick Boseman (rip) without his mask. So they edited the poster where the mask was covering his face. But I don't think this is the same case. If I had to guess, probably one of the developers played the game themselves, and had a bad encounter with a black panther player, and thought he had to be nerfed.
It’s a stupid argument because Storm literally got buffed, another black character. Get that dumb talk out of here.
Ya know what though still not gonna stop me from mastering the character with this skill set because if a buff does end up coming I’ll be unstoppable 😂
I’m feeling the impact also w/ the no regs bug with his dashes but I’m curious if this actually true. Sometimes I can tell I dashed way of mark and others I was dead on point and yet no refresh. I think it may be due to the “invincible” buff or effect some characters have and it screws up our cooldowns
tbf i just started playing bp when i was level 8 and now im level 17 in plat3 only with black panther and lowkkk its kinda fun
2:42 “….I kinda see why they nerfing BP”
I still don’t.
BP destroys when you know how to play him….and playing well with him takes time, imo.
His dashes should have had the hitbox slightly expanded if they we’re going to 1) decrease the shield/heal they give when you successfully refresh 2) not address refreshes sometimes not registering and 3) buff Magik and Winter Soldier when those characters were already in a good spot like BP previously during the holidays
as a casual im still getting clapped by black panther, that nerf isnt noticeable to the ones crapping on
Bros getting the genji treatment 😭🙏 bro will not get a character balance after nerf
You’re my go 2 panther player, so when I find something wrong I’m coming here lol😂. BUT the dashes and ult need to be invincible or dash resets on kill, because everythin that can pull/push/knock you off your dash kills your reset, ran into a lot of that today. Would be mid dash, get pull/push by su then become a sitting duck😭😭😭
There was probably a dev that was cracked with bp and felt it needed a nerf
or a dev that got bullied by bp😂
Namor and Penni won't be nerfed because they are low elo friendly heroes. If they nerf black panther because he is a noob stomper, the opposite is true, they keep the easy noob heroes strong or buff because like you said, cater to casuals.
Peni Parker needs to a mega nerf
The no regs just ruin tickle monster for me
@@SmallishBean exactly but a mf just told me it’s a skill issue😂
4:14 I said the same thing in 27 been playing games for a long time and you see it a lot female characters get buffed and the characters that require skill get even harder to play for no reason
4:25 #BuffBlackPanther
"Catering towards the casual players" aka catering towards 99% of the playerbase?
I agree he needs buffs but what specifically needs to be buffed?
Personally I just want his spin and his ultimate to come out faster and I’ll be happy
But if I’m being greedy I would love if his base walk speed was faster
@@bluepugjr4573dash resets you will hit them and get no dash reset then your cooked
will bp get a new skin?? somjuu said it sum video before or did he meant the battle pass skins
yo its the genji effect first he was strong than nerfed to the ground than he was good again than never playable again
guys lets nerf black panther but leave the horribly frustrating constant dash no regs instead of fixing it
Ive been in a loby with a good black panther and the dash is way more annoying then the other characters, its not as good, but its more annoying fight. Because there's not solid front line
Hot take I don't think his game play is that good. I think the dash is to gimmicky. I think if they down played the dash and focuses more on the spear and gave him a wolverine damage buff, but base it off of low health pool rather then high health pool.
Maybe he could throw down a panther totem that has damage rest group buff.
Making him a anti flying dps could also be cool.
But yeah I think theres to much on the dash, and the rest of his kit needs love.
They don’t plan on buffing him just because there is a new skin coming out. They already maid the skin and after they nerfed him. It’s just a cash grab at this point. As bp player myself don’t get your hopes up.
Nerfed his health but haven't fixed how his mark doesn't trigger your refresh for your dash sometimes!!!?!?
I’ve noticed it more so happens with certain people. Hulk shields, Magneto shield, invisible woman shield, Mr fantastic Reflexive Rubber, and some more will trigger the sound effect and remove the mark but not reset the dash. Shields shouldn’t stop the dash from resetting, it should only lower or remove the damage from it.
I moved on to Psylocke. She’s so much fun. Highly recommend.
Penni Parker is C tier at best... doesn't matter if shes 'annoying'... she isn't good 😂
they needa nerf the heals they heal way too much imo speically when they ult sucks i have to wait til it actually finishes
4 Wakanda brother
Actually, everyone knows why Black Panther got nerfed: he's one of the most frustrating heroes to deal with (alongside Hawk). This isn't just an issue in low or mid ELO, like some claim, but also in high ELO. Lord Black Panther is simply too fast-landing a freeze or a sleep on him is almost hypothetical (yes, I'm talking about those three dashes in one second). Even if he messes up his timing, giving you a small window for counterplay, and you manage to land your control, he has way too much overheal to sustain himself, so he can just run away. (This is the general consensus, not just my personal opinion.)
theres still a lot of counterplay to bp tho
@@keigenz as support ? you are forced to swap to loki for just not dying instant. as carry namor work ok
Categorically false. First off its not a general consensus and is your personal opinion unless you took the census?! Would loveeeee to see the data and pool of players
Its just laughable how the lowest denominator of players talk like its gospel
No counterplay? Hmm ok so flying heros, anyone with any displacement, any heros with invisibility or go untargetable, tanks, actually communicate with your team when landing a stun and hes dead 100%, a single heal from any support ruins the burst combo, literally a decent cloak cucks BP, turrets, stuns, loki?
Not even getting into the individual abilites that will negate your dash or the fact he is bugged since day 1 to have inconsistent refreshes
Yeahh he was soooo OP lol maybe to anyone plat 1 and below playing solo
The idea that BP is op or lacks counters is solely on the players own ability to play in the team
BPs whole identity is PUNISH mistakes so when you get bursted and die only to cry hes broken maybe its because you had bad positioning and couldnt get a heal or saved so play better 🤷♂️
Your argument is completely off-base. Yes, BP is frustrating-this is a widely accepted fact, and denying it is nothing short of laughable. Go ahead, picture a popular streamer running a poll: “Is BP frustrating: Yes/No?” Trust me, the results would be painfully obvious.
As a BP player yourself, your opinion is naturally the most biased of all, so I don’t hold it against you. But let’s be honest, you didn’t even understand the point of my message-I can practically see the blood tears you’re shedding over this.
At low and mid elo, BPs miss their combos all the time but don’t get punished because players have bad aim and zero communication. The real issue appears at higher elo, where BPs become consistent, land their combos with ease, and completely remove any semblance of counterplay. It’s a joke how effortless it becomes for them.
And your claim that “a single heal ruins the one-shot combo” is downright dishonest. Even if the one-shot doesn’t land in under a second, BP can just continue their chain and kill you in 1.3 to 1.5 seconds instead. Let’s not forget that a skilled BP hits multiple targets with their spear, which only fuels their combo chains, easily bypassing any healing attempts.
Calling for your team? Please. By the time they react, you’re already dead. Even in the best-case scenario, they might scrape out a trade at most.
If you can’t see these flaws, it’s probably because you’re not one of the “good” BPs I’m talking about. Thanks for reading, though.
-High GM Support.
@@keigenzthere really wasn’t lol. Eternity flex support main and there’s no genuine way to counter a GOOD panther. His dashes are too consistent and damage insanely good. No way to react and his survivability made it nearly impossible to kill. It’s almost a 100% certainty that a good panther will have a successful flank if he lands his combos on the supports he is wiping them out effortlessly. You can’t claim its balance if the role that is heavily needed in this game can be wiped out in 3 seconds by 1 person 😂 but I wanna play with panther soon so I’ll just go along and say I hate his nerfs
Yeah, black panther she get a buff😢
All jokes aside they prolly nerfed him because he’s black bro. Its a chinese company so I mean….they buffed storm in order to make it look like it wasnt a race thing but c’mon lets be honest….
Beacause blackout panther is braindead. You just can do one thing and thats it.
I was about to pick up black panther. I'll still try em' but this is discouraging. #BUFFBLACKPANTHER
that clip is a really bad example, thats literally a bot lobby, look how hulk comes out of the spawn untransformed and everybody ignores him lol
As a panther main I really don't get it also why BP getting nerf
somju that bucky clip doesn’t happen often as you think at all , bucky main myself that shit is rare in high elo and the enemy team was feeding and they look pretty trash lmao use a better clip next time gang
Im glad somebody finally says namor is op hes so annoying and got an unnecessary buff
Console gold player here , I disagree i i am a spider man and black panther main and an ex genji main. I can tell you from playing him and against him. He is not like that. You can counter him pretty easily most of the time, even low ranks. Also, most of us don't know how to play the ding character. I got gold 2 in two days, so I don't know how bad or good I am at the game yet. It's really but I can tell you that from my experience that is just not true
Mid season buff is pure copium nfs😂😂
#BBP
BIG
BLACK
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i thought something changed smh ,
Panther is a character you don’t want meta and I feel like his skill ceiling is so high players will still go crazy with him, he def needs all his bugs fixed tho
I'm totally gonna call racism on this one. At least give some kinda anti air.
I also think is bcuz the Asian community has been crying about bp since release and given, it’s an Asian company
because hes black?
How is it racist if storm got a buff.
Nerf was dumb af
#buffBP!
1 MILLION NERFS TO BLACK PANTHER