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This is a bit different version of something called the "ram pump". Works on exactly the same principle and if you search for it, many people made clips on how they build their own.
As someone with an interest in aquatics I’m currently researching ways to run things more cost effectively and as conservatively as possible. This looks like a possible solution for running a constant circulation in a pond or aquarium. I’m trying to theorize if it’s possible to find a way to capture the wasted vented water on the up cycle so as not to empty out the aquarium. Maybe by encapsulating the valve in larger bore acting as a return pipe? Or would the pressure of being under water stop it from functioning properly on the up stroke?
@@SirBigzalot Sounds like you are searching for a hydraulic version of a Perpetuum Mobile ;) "Waist water" is not called this at a whim. The water is not "wasted", it is still there, but it's potential/kinetic energy was used to push that small amount higher. If you try to put it in a closed system, it will never run continuously. That's why it is used in open systems with constant fresh water intake to replenish lost energy for pumping.
@@lubricatedgoat cant speak for anyone else but now that the device has been explained and demonstrated to me and I understand the mechanical principle on which it operates I feel fully confident in my ability to reproduce one should the need ever arise.
Look I get that names of things are usually a bit cryptic, but a way better name for this would be "water hammer pump" right? Because then anyone who understands water hammer already has an intuitive understanding of the basic concept
Wow the cutaway at 1:56 is excellent! Not sure how long it took you to make but it demonstrates ram pump operation beautifully! Best visual learning aid on yt I’ve seen. Thank you!
My grandfather has this on his property and the water lost is collected and then pumped back into the main holding tank he's getting his water from. He told me thats its "basically only 1/4 water loss. If more tanks are added for collection you can go down to 1/8 loss, 1/16 loss and so on with enough tanks and slopes." He uses this pump for his house plumbing. its pumped into a make-shift water tower then gravity fed into his home to maintain water pressure. Pretty awesome
@@JuneAtHomePHno. this pump is basically treading large amount of water flow speed for small amount of water hight. a well do not have a large flow speed so this pump can not be used
Interesting. This seems to be the water equivalent of the boost converter circuit in electronics, which uses a low voltage high current source to produce a high voltage at lower current.
I was thinking the same thing and might have it figured out. The main valve is equivalent to the transistor, the output valve is the diode, and the input pipe is the inductor. The biggest difference is that electrical current doesn't have useful momentum, so the boost converter can't use a passive component (like a spring) to regulate the switching.
@@l3p3 In electronics, the "water" is electrons and most of them indeed don't reach the high voltage level. They "sacrifice" their energy to give the few electrons that make it. These then have higher energy per electron (i.e. voltage)
Maby it's the same phisics, but people who know about the existance of ram-pump is in vast minority. Personally never knew this was possible. Only knew about ram-jet, much harder to build and get going. Gratitude.
Slightly different in that is doesn't necessarily require **flowing** water, just a height difference between the device and the water source. Could be used in a pond (natural or artificial) which to my understanding is unsuitable for a normal ram pump. Definitely the same method of operation though, you're right about that
Back in the early 2000s, I attempted to build one of these to pump water from my spring box into my garden. I spent nearly $500 for parts because I could not get the damned thing to work, until I read a book by Gene Logsdon which told me what my problem was. For the pump to work you need a *minimum* of three feet (1 meter) vertical height from where your input water is *down* to where the ram pump is, otherwise there simply isn't enough potential energy to run the pump for longer than five minutes or so. Since the springbox down to the bottom of the creek was only two feet, the pump wouldn't work. Instead, I ended up with a 30 watt solar panel and a bilge pump which now pumps water into the garden for irrigation.
Just throwing out some thoughts... Could you raise the containment level of the springbox another 1.5 feet and then have the potential (plus a little extra) to make this breuram/ram pump function?
@@markpetersen912 No. Spring box was made back in the 1940s ? 50s? maybe earlier? and it's solid concrete attached to another spring box that was probably made back in what I suspect was the early 1900s. The whole area was filled in between the two spring boxes which were approximately 40-50 feet apart. The early one had a 6" cast iron pipe linking the two and has rusted to the point that the land between the "new" spring box and the "old" spring box has eroded about 10-15 feet making the whole area sink. It was originally the only way I could get onto the other side of the property without building a bridge over the creek. It's extremely dangerous to go anywhere near there now without the possibility of injury or even death because the drop is about 5 or six feet from the edge to where I "think" the bottom of the creek is. My solar solution works well, however and have used that for nearly 15 years.
@@Zalethon it uses the kinetic energy of flowing water, specifically jerk (that's a change of acceleration over time. Or v/t^2) The pressure spike of all that flowing water screeching to a stop shoves a small amount of water up the yellow hose. Then the valves switch and the water starts moving again to pick up the momentum to do it again.
@@randomstuff1019 Thanks for your explanation; I get how the pump itself works, once it has water flowing into it. The video just didn't make clear how water was being fed to the pump.
Seems like the loss water could be used for a biological purpose since it is aerated. Possibly a fish/aquaponics farm if dug below the base of the tower?
@@freevbucks8019 wouldn’t be efficient, you would use more energy getting it back in the tank then you saved by using this pump in the first place… The best solution would be to have it spill back out into the river.
My dad made one of these for his holiday home before I was born, and it's still in use. I used to know enough about how it worked to change gaskets and water proofing tape, and hopefully my brother still does. I think dad had to change one component at some point, but apart from that... gaskets. Edit: Forgot to mention, i'm 55 years old.
Are you sure it wasn't a ram pump he built? They're similar and do pulse waste water. But last far longer due to alot less moving parts? I only ask because there's one in the Mourne mountains in Ireland that's been running for the last 200 odd years so I know they're much longer lasting.
Two relief valves, yes, but you can't forget about the pipe carrying the water. This fluid circuit is almost identical in theory to an electrical circuit known as a "joule thief". An important component in a joule thief is an inductor, because inductors resist changes in current. The role of the inductor is being played by the inertia of the water in the length of pipe between the tank and the valves. Another important component is the bubble in the tube on the pressurized side. That bubble performs a function analogous to a capacitor, smoothing out the output pressure of the pump and capturing more of the energy of the moving water.
This is how the Giza pyramid (blueprint) used to pump water away from the dammed up areas that the Pharaoh's ancestors fled from. Osiris is a water-being (a verison of poseidon) Enki is a water-being, and AztaAtlTlan where the Aztecs claim heritage means "land of water birds". Giza is just the most advanced copy of whatever pump technology coastline people could come up with before all the old coasts inevitably got flooded. There was NO "high technology", - just manipulation of occillations and the knowledge of advantageous erosion that followed, - allowing egyptians to take advantage of possibly a couple thousand years of dam/pumping knowledge from wherever migrants came from. The kings/queens chamber "roof" could be where the original builders let the overflow of the Nile flow into an aqueduct system above ground in order to water their crops, while using the pressurized end of the loop to aid with the cutting of sandstone.
I have seen several descriptions of how this kind of pump works, but you are the first one to show the trick with the air bubble as a buffer. Well done.
@@DavidG2P Yes! So I wonder if you can increase the efficiency by increasing the length of the steel pipe by curving it a bunch. (e.g. increase the coil inductiveness)
@@m.sierra5258 this is one of the ways the water analogy breaks down... ram pumps work off straight inertia, the momentum of the water itself. Inductance has nothing to do with electron momentum, and everything to do with the magnetic field around the wire. Overlapping coils of wire in a solenoid shape overlaps the magnetic field between the turns. Coiling water pipe just makes friction losses higher.
You aren't taught about this because 1. It's only really useful if you live in a rural area 2. if your a farmer and 3. It is incredibly wasteful and with the trend of humanity continually fucking ourselves and scrambling to fix millenia worth of damage, this would not be environmentally friendly enough.
@UodasAruodasLTU Ideally you would install this by the river(with possibly a chute/ramp that would return the water) or even within the river so that the waste(which would not be waste in this scenario, or very little) is returned to river almost immediately.
thought an idea or opinion produced by thinking, or occurring suddenly in the mind. "Maggie had a sudden thought" why would you be thinking about mechanical water pumps in school ? mabe if you would of been taught as impart knowledge to or instruct (someone) as to how to do something. "she taught him to read" this really might of helped you about the pumps as well big time
It is amazing how similar this is! You let some water/electrons flow, suddenly try to stop the flow which causes a pressure/voltage spike because it doesn't want to stop, use some valve/diode to capture that spike and an air bubble/capacitor to smooth it out at a higher level.
These do work and are great for pumping water from a stream or river as they loose about 95% of the water out of the pump. That is before the head becomes an issue. However you still need to drain the waste water and the pump needs to be at least a meter below the surface. Basically almost a syphonable layout height.
Hi, in fact there is an air chamber; the big yellow hose contains a bubble of air and acts as the air chamber. But you're right it looks different than most other designs
From an energy standpoint, it seems logical that you can only get at most Δx/Δn of the water up to an elevation, where Δx is the difference in height from the top of the water tank to the pump and Δn is the height above the pump that the water is pumped to.
Once you've brought the water up to a certain height, you can use that to pump less water up to a higher height. Example you can use a simple pump so once the water is 20 feet high, you can use that to operate a pump to raise half the water up to maybe 30 feet high. You end up with less water at the higher height, but you're getting free energy anyway, so it doesn't matter.
@@karljay7473 You don't get free energy from it, since all the energy the rising water gets is transfered from the other water that fell down to the water that's lifted.
@@HenrikMyrhaug How much do you pay for the energy that lifts the water? You pay nothing for it, therefore it's free. You can pump 100 gallons 20 feet for free, then you use that 100 gallons to move 50 gallons to a higher level, maybe 40 feet... You start the process wanting X gallons to be 100 feet, so you move 5X gallons 20 feet, 4X gallons 40 feet, 3X gallons 60 feet, etc... It doesn't cost you any money to move X gallons 100 feet as no electric pumps are being used. Free, in this case, means that you are using nature, just as it doesn't cost you money for water to flow down a hill.
@@karljay7473 Sorry, I thought you meant "free energy" as in generating more energy than the ammount that already exists and is put into the system, which is impossible. You'll definitely get to pump water almost as high as you want without putting more energy into the system than what already exists.
@@HenrikMyrhaug No problem, even the "free" isn't 100% free because you have to build or buy the pump, but once you buy it, it's free to operate. We could have a lot more of these setup in dams all over and generate even more energy.
For anyone wondering, the system is using the momentum of the flow to store elastic potential energy in the pipe system, at peak elastic potential, the stored energy is released into the high pressure element and used to move the fluid fractionally within the high pressure system, once the energy is used, the cycle repeats, flow increases, stop engages, energy builds up, is released into high pressure and repeat.
Another name for this is a Ram Pump. set up is a little different but identical in function.. your switch valve is much nicer and adjustable though... enjoy..
The same principle. Create high pressure with fast moving water, then block the easy pathway to push small amount of water higher. Kind of like different versions of a Stirling engine.
Excellent presentation with 3D modelling, description, explanation and instructions. Thank goodness there are still people who don’t bait us with thumbnails containing yellow arrows, people with their mouths wide open and and infantile script. If I could like and subscribe twice I would.
Smooth transition to the 3D section view. You may also explain that it works using water hammering, do you need a strong inflexible pipe for the intake (in the how it works presentation).
Can this be used to elevate water? Yes. Can the elevated water go back to the source? Yes. Can we attach a generator on the falling end of the water return? Yes. Can we generate free electrical power? *fbi knocks*
You need water motion to use a ram pump, if so might as well use the original motion, say of the river, and save on the kinetic loss of adding a pump and piping to the system.
Nice job 👍 At 3:46 you are applying your thread tape the hard way, hold the tape roll on your right index finger with the middle running on the outside, now roll off the backside of the tape onto the fitting. This allows simple smooth control of tension and length simultaneously
Wow this is cool. Since you already have the setup perhaps it would be even cooler if you can figure out the pump curves? Im sure between the always open and always closed, there will be a certain range where the spring tension will work Would be interesting to see how each settings affect both the max height and the flow rate
Connect the "lost water to the infeed side of your source, a second tank set beside and connected by simple check valve to hold the main tank pressure, and when enough water is "taken out/infeed" the valve opens and a portion of the lost water is recovered. Can even use a second Breurram to feed it from the catch to the prime tank, you will always lose some but the more you recover the less you have to take from the source.
@@sharkheadism If it gets back to the river that's great but this one had no return system to my knowledge it would just add to local ground water and evaporate.
Now to incorporate a hydro generator... and add more pumps to fill the tower faster.. If you seal off the tower then vacuum suction could siphon the water without even needing the pump..
Once the water is pumped up to a higher elevation, if the water comes back down it will create a vacuum, and thus draw more water up the the top of the water tower that was created. The tank, would have to be almost completely, full before the water is released down a return pipe. If the water coming down is fast enough, it can turn a turbine and that could turn a generator and thus create electricity.
If this all works, then I could see the electric company using water towers to create hydro electricity, because they have the budget to build things like this at a very large scale. It would be like having another Niagra falls as your water source, except they would be using water towers to do the same thing on a smaller scale. But, if have rivers and lakes near by, it would be a way so build one and have nearly an endless supply of water to do this from.
In order to use a water tower to make water pressure it must be open at the top. And it Is impossible to move liquid water more than 34 feet in the air on vacuum alone.
Could you use this device to pump water up high, then use the falling force from gravity to power a waterwheel or generator in a place where it's not feasible? If the intention is to build this by a river then my idea is impractical, but just a thought.
Yes, but in the majority of circumstances I'd suggest just putting a waterwheel in the river to power a generator. The most realistic scenario for this is when you need more power than a river can generate for a short period of time. So you fill a water tower and empty it very quickly to power a turbine when you require it.
Its basically a ram pump. The use of the tensioner for the main check valve is a brilliant upgrade however. Far more control than a traditional ram pump. If not used for potable drinking purposes many people add an air damper on the pressure hose side right after the check valve in the form of a PVC/Steel tube. Your use of the pressure delivery hose to perform this function is not only resource saving but also resourceful! Great idea!
This is neat but it doesn't beat the Bunyip Pump. Instead of fast moving water, it can use slow moving or standing water and can pump much higher than a Breurram or a ram pump.
The cutaway was so awesome. I'll never forget this mechanism now. Beautiful editing work. The build quality of the entire line up the tower and your explanations are perfect!
Cool. That's the hydrolic version of a DC boost converter. Only instead of bleeding off excess water to create higher pressure, it bleeds off excess current to create higher voltage.
I'd think your dc boost converter would be an electronic version of the ram pump, not the other way around, lol. The basic principal has been used to pump water for a VERY long time, while your boost converter is a "johnny come lately", lol. There's a good reason the British called vacuum tubes "valves"
If I understand the principles behind this pump correctly, it's basically like a lever, but for lifting a liquid rather than a solid mass. It utilises gravitational potential energy and some basic principles of hydrodynamics (pressure vs. flow) to obtain a mechanical advantage that allows the water to be lifted to an impressive height. Very cool, thanks for sharing this!
It might be easier to explain using water hammer. When the flow is suddenly cut off the moving water “hammers” the other valve open, lifting the water.
I could see this being a good way to have free water if you had a clean spring and a make shift water tower to create pressure and this pump to slowly fill a 1000 gallon barrel as the pressure/ storage tank.
Back in the forties I knew a man who had one of these - quite large and made of cast iron. In those days they used to call it a 'pulsometer'. He lived by a snall hill which had a spring near the top. He used the machine to pump water up to the tank on the roof and the excess water flowed back into the stream. You could hear it clacking a long way off. For a boy of eight it was quite facinating.
It reminds of a boost converter in electronics. Instead of using an inductor as a store of energy, you use the inertia or the water along the inlet pipe.
There is something similar in pneumatics, you can boost the incoming air pressure by a multiple of 1.5 (or more or less depending on how the booster was designed/how much waste pressure is vented). Worked great getting 100-110psi shop air to about 150 for the machines that needed it. Your volume of air that can be supplied suffers a lot due to the waste air being vented, but without using more compressors the boosters work fine depending on the application
This is how the Giza pyramid (blueprint) used to pump water away from the dammed up areas that the Pharaoh's ancestors fled from. Osiris is a water-being (a verison of poseidon) Enki is a water-being, and AztaAtlTlan where the Aztecs claim heritage means "land of water birds". Giza is just the most advanced copy of whatever pump technology coastline people could come up with before all the old coasts inevitably got flooded. There was NO "high technology", - just manipulation of occillations and the knowledge of advantageous erosion that followed, - allowing egyptians to take advantage of possibly a couple thousand years of dam/pumping knowledge from wherever migrants came from. The kings/queens chamber "roof" could be where the original builders let the overflow of the Nile flow into an aqueduct system above ground in order to water their crops, while using the pressurized end of the loop to aid with the cutting of sandstone.
NOPE- the energy is supplied by the running river... the design calls for a DOWNHILL topo whereby you establish a min 3 foot HEAD then the pump & that pump is LIMITED in the elevation that it can achieve... it is a very slow process but it will eventually fill your elevated tank... generally this has practical use for off grid cabins/cottages where the tank is used to provide running water to the commode/sinks & showers from a running river where all you need is 10-12' of height as a delivery system to the cottage/cabin/whatever... this is a great set up to take with you in components if you travel long distances roughing it... wherever the topo is favorable you set up camp- get yourself showers & running water... move water from the river to your camp- hands free... so you need to look at everything OUTSIDE this video's description of the pump... there are complete plans available in the LINK placed by this creator in his description- all these commenters could have their questions answered if they just followed the LINK & read that document
"Greetings" to your physics teacher. Back to the source would mean that you need to expend more energy. Like, an electric pump. Water that flows out on the ground lost its potential energy to pump the bit that goes up in the tower.
Had never heard of this pump before and must admit I came here thinking it was going to be another perpetual motion machine proposed on youtube but instead I found a very cool new pump design I had never heard of, thanks!
Once upon a time,, my source of water where I lived was brought up from a creek via one of the old balloon style cast iron ram pumps, to a tank at the house. It was brilliant.
As many wrote in their comments, water hammer is the force driving the pump. (Change your manual.) Water is incompressible in the actual range of pressure so when the flow stops abruptly the momentum is converted to pressure increase. Water hammer was the noise in the plumbing with copper or steel pipes if you shut a faucet suddenly. Although sometimes a standpipe with air not water would dampen the effect.
Cool design but its just a ram pump. Just call it a redesign or something instead calling "Breurram" i coudnt even find where that name is from in your own documentary
Hi, we don't claim to have created a complete new concept. The description states: 'The breuram is a type of hydraulic ram pump or water ram made almost completely from off-the-shelf components'
Surely the lost water could be recuperated and reused somehow to make this setup even more efficient. I don't know anything about engineering or plumbing, but maybe that lost water can even be reinjected into the pipe using some sort of mechanical 3-way priority valve that prioritizes flow from one input and leaves it to the other input to satisfy the remaining flow capacity of the output pipe? But I dunno, maybe this is more complicated than I make it out to be.
We would love to know about people who have built a breurram themselves. We are also interested in the experience people have with this pump; positive or negative. If you have built a breurram or tried to build one, please consider commenting about it below, or contacting us via our website. www.wot.utwente.nl/en/about-the-wot/contact
This is a bit different version of something called the "ram pump". Works on exactly the same principle and if you search for it, many people made clips on how they build their own.
As someone with an interest in aquatics I’m currently researching ways to run things more cost effectively and as conservatively as possible. This looks like a possible solution for running a constant circulation in a pond or aquarium. I’m trying to theorize if it’s possible to find a way to capture the wasted vented water on the up cycle so as not to empty out the aquarium. Maybe by encapsulating the valve in larger bore acting as a return pipe? Or would the pressure of being under water stop it from functioning properly on the up stroke?
@@SirBigzalot Sounds like you are searching for a hydraulic version of a Perpetuum Mobile ;)
"Waist water" is not called this at a whim. The water is not "wasted", it is still there, but it's potential/kinetic energy was used to push that small amount higher.
If you try to put it in a closed system, it will never run continuously.
That's why it is used in open systems with constant fresh water intake to replenish lost energy for pumping.
@@SirBigzalot maybe try capturing it and sending it back to the aquarium?
@@ogi22
Ram pump is an abbreviation of Breurram pump.
One day I will need this.... And I'm sure it'll be when the internet is down
Aint that always the way lol
Understand it completely and you'll never need to worry about that. Maybe build one?
@@lubricatedgoat cant speak for anyone else but now that the device has been explained and demonstrated to me and I understand the mechanical principle on which it operates I feel fully confident in my ability to reproduce one should the need ever arise.
@@foxhazhax4845 same. I'm even thinking of ways to improve it or incorporate a microcontroller.
It works the same way the phenomenon we call "water hammer" works, Momentum is just a consequence of inertia.
The air bubble in the tube is so smart. I never would have thought about such a simple solution
Wow! This is exactly how a voltage step-up converter works
ram pumps are wonderful.
If I ever build a treehouse, it's going to have one of these running all the time, supplying water to the top...
Couldn't you have the water that spills out drain back into the pipes so you technically dont lose any water?
mooi man, maar zijn de gaten van de pomp zelf niet te groot? Zodat je minder water zou verliezen als je fijnere spleten hebt?
The water loss is required to make the pump work. If you would decrease the slots, the flow velocity will be lower and the pump will work less good.
Amazing
It's a switching boost converter but for water!
How about from 100 feet below ground level
This is what the Egyptians used to pump water to the top of the pyramids
water equivalent of an inductor-powered DC-DC boost converter!
Look I get that names of things are usually a bit cryptic, but a way better name for this would be "water hammer pump" right? Because then anyone who understands water hammer already has an intuitive understanding of the basic concept
Wow the cutaway at 1:56 is excellent! Not sure how long it took you to make but it demonstrates ram pump operation beautifully! Best visual learning aid on yt I’ve seen. Thank you!
I thought the same thing. Bravo!
yea my thoughts exactly. seen alot of ram pump vids..none like this though
It was.... glorious!!
I’d really like to know whitch software did you use for make this auented reality cad stuff. Thanks in advance for your reply
@@calvinasinhobbes wao, i’ve never thought something like that. Thanks
My grandfather has this on his property and the water lost is collected and then pumped back into the main holding tank he's getting his water from. He told me thats its "basically only 1/4 water loss. If more tanks are added for collection you can go down to 1/8 loss, 1/16 loss and so on with enough tanks and slopes." He uses this pump for his house plumbing. its pumped into a make-shift water tower then gravity fed into his home to maintain water pressure. Pretty awesome
@@JuneAtHomePHno. this pump is basically treading large amount of water flow speed for small amount of water hight. a well do not have a large flow speed so this pump can not be used
but if you need to use a pump to get the lost water back into the tank then why not just use a pump for the job instead of adding steps to it?
Interesting. This seems to be the water equivalent of the boost converter circuit in electronics, which uses a low voltage high current source to produce a high voltage at lower current.
It reminded me of that, too
I was thinking the same thing and might have it figured out. The main valve is equivalent to the transistor, the output valve is the diode, and the input pipe is the inductor.
The biggest difference is that electrical current doesn't have useful momentum, so the boost converter can't use a passive component (like a spring) to regulate the switching.
Isn't the efficiency in electronics much higher? Here, most of thd water gets lost.
@@l3p3 In electronics, the "water" is electrons and most of them indeed don't reach the high voltage level. They "sacrifice" their energy to give the few electrons that make it. These then have higher energy per electron (i.e. voltage)
I realised a while ago that everything physical has an electrical equivalent to a degree
This is just a different way of making a ram pump. The valves act the same way. The yellow tube act as the air tank. Nice to see alternative designs.
Thinking the same myself.cheers
Nice comment, i was wondering why air was need in the system.
Maby it's the same phisics, but people who know about the existance of ram-pump is in vast minority. Personally never knew this was possible. Only knew about ram-jet, much harder to build and get going. Gratitude.
Yes, that's why it's called the breurram. The word "ram" is written the same in Dutch and English and has the same meaning.
Slightly different in that is doesn't necessarily require **flowing** water, just a height difference between the device and the water source. Could be used in a pond (natural or artificial) which to my understanding is unsuitable for a normal ram pump. Definitely the same method of operation though, you're right about that
Back in the early 2000s, I attempted to build one of these to pump water from my spring box into my garden. I spent nearly $500 for parts because I could not get the damned thing to work, until I read a book by Gene Logsdon which told me what my problem was. For the pump to work you need a *minimum* of three feet (1 meter) vertical height from where your input water is *down* to where the ram pump is, otherwise there simply isn't enough potential energy to run the pump for longer than five minutes or so. Since the springbox down to the bottom of the creek was only two feet, the pump wouldn't work. Instead, I ended up with a 30 watt solar panel and a bilge pump which now pumps water into the garden for irrigation.
Just throwing out some thoughts... Could you raise the containment level of the springbox another 1.5 feet and then have the potential (plus a little extra) to make this breuram/ram pump function?
@@markpetersen912 No. Spring box was made back in the 1940s ? 50s? maybe earlier? and it's solid concrete attached to another spring box that was probably made back in what I suspect was the early 1900s. The whole area was filled in between the two spring boxes which were approximately 40-50 feet apart. The early one had a 6" cast iron pipe linking the two and has rusted to the point that the land between the "new" spring box and the "old" spring box has eroded about 10-15 feet making the whole area sink. It was originally the only way I could get onto the other side of the property without building a bridge over the creek. It's extremely dangerous to go anywhere near there now without the possibility of injury or even death because the drop is about 5 or six feet from the edge to where I "think" the bottom of the creek is. My solar solution works well, however and have used that for nearly 15 years.
Thanks for noting this... I was definitely wondering what force was driving the water into the pump, this video hardly mentions it at all!
@@Zalethon it uses the kinetic energy of flowing water, specifically jerk (that's a change of acceleration over time. Or v/t^2) The pressure spike of all that flowing water screeching to a stop shoves a small amount of water up the yellow hose. Then the valves switch and the water starts moving again to pick up the momentum to do it again.
@@randomstuff1019 Thanks for your explanation; I get how the pump itself works, once it has water flowing into it. The video just didn't make clear how water was being fed to the pump.
Seems like the loss water could be used for a biological purpose since it is aerated. Possibly a fish/aquaponics farm if dug below the base of the tower?
I was thinking just making a bamboo water channels or using pipes and irrigate a little garden playing around with slopes.
Over time it would be too much constant water, best to get it back ti the river.
Or throw it back in the same tank
@@freevbucks8019 wouldn’t be efficient, you would use more energy getting it back in the tank then you saved by using this pump in the first place…
The best solution would be to have it spill back out into the river.
@@derpionderpson1424 if you take it from the river and pump it just above the river it's like free energy
My dad made one of these for his holiday home before I was born, and it's still in use. I used to know enough about how it worked to change gaskets and water proofing tape, and hopefully my brother still does. I think dad had to change one component at some point, but apart from that... gaskets. Edit: Forgot to mention, i'm 55 years old.
Are you sure it wasn't a ram pump he built? They're similar and do pulse waste water. But last far longer due to alot less moving parts?
I only ask because there's one in the Mourne mountains in Ireland that's been running for the last 200 odd years so I know they're much longer lasting.
@@Palemagpie It's quite possible I'm getting them mixed up.
@@Palemagpiethis is a rampump
Like your air cushion idea over other ram pumps. Simplify simplify simplify. Must go build one now and do some test.
So it's just two relief valves tuned to be just right?
Two relief valves, yes, but you can't forget about the pipe carrying the water. This fluid circuit is almost identical in theory to an electrical circuit known as a "joule thief". An important component in a joule thief is an inductor, because inductors resist changes in current. The role of the inductor is being played by the inertia of the water in the length of pipe between the tank and the valves.
Another important component is the bubble in the tube on the pressurized side. That bubble performs a function analogous to a capacitor, smoothing out the output pressure of the pump and capturing more of the energy of the moving water.
@@tissuepaper9962 Water hammer is a hell of a thing
‘tis a hydraulic self-oscillating boost converter. I love it.
This is exactly what I was going to comment. Love it when you can have a mechanical equivalent to an electric system.
Same here, I'm looking at that pulse and thinking, "this is a boost converter!" 😆
@@danloeser similar to a waste gate that controls boost on a turbocharged vehicle.
This is how the Giza pyramid (blueprint) used to pump water away from the dammed up areas that the Pharaoh's ancestors fled from.
Osiris is a water-being (a verison of poseidon) Enki is a water-being, and AztaAtlTlan where the Aztecs claim heritage means "land of water birds".
Giza is just the most advanced copy of whatever pump technology coastline people could come up with before all the old coasts inevitably got flooded.
There was NO "high technology", - just manipulation of occillations and the knowledge of advantageous erosion that followed, - allowing egyptians to take advantage of possibly a couple thousand years of dam/pumping knowledge from wherever migrants came from.
The kings/queens chamber "roof" could be where the original builders let the overflow of the Nile flow into an aqueduct system above ground in order to water their crops, while using the pressurized end of the loop to aid with the cutting of sandstone.
Breurram = a form of ram pump (which is powered by water hammer)
How many type of ram pump are there? What’re the advantages and disadvantages between them?
@@Stevedawhoop -- All ram pumps are basically the same design. There are minor variations among the components.
I have seen several descriptions of how this kind of pump works, but you are the first one to show the trick with the air bubble as a buffer. Well done.
damn this is literally the step up regulator in the electricity
Exactly!
I believe the steel pipe is the L (coil), the air hose is the C (capacitor), and the valves are the transistors, right?
@@DavidG2P Yes! So I wonder if you can increase the efficiency by increasing the length of the steel pipe by curving it a bunch. (e.g. increase the coil inductiveness)
@@m.sierra5258 Yes but that is a complicated achievement.
@@m.sierra5258 this is one of the ways the water analogy breaks down... ram pumps work off straight inertia, the momentum of the water itself. Inductance has nothing to do with electron momentum, and everything to do with the magnetic field around the wire. Overlapping coils of wire in a solenoid shape overlaps the magnetic field between the turns. Coiling water pipe just makes friction losses higher.
Ok I'm genuinely pissed that i wasn't thought something like this in school.
You aren't taught about this because 1. It's only really useful if you live in a rural area 2. if your a farmer and 3. It is incredibly wasteful and with the trend of humanity continually fucking ourselves and scrambling to fix millenia worth of damage, this would not be environmentally friendly enough.
Haha you’re not alone
@UodasAruodasLTU Ideally you would install this by the river(with possibly a chute/ramp that would return the water) or even within the river so that the waste(which would not be waste in this scenario, or very little) is returned to river almost immediately.
The purpose of school is to train you for the workforce. The last thing they want is for people to become self sufficient! X3
thought an idea or opinion produced by thinking, or occurring suddenly in the mind.
"Maggie had a sudden thought" why would you be thinking about mechanical water pumps in school ? mabe if you would of been taught as impart knowledge to or instruct (someone) as to how to do something.
"she taught him to read" this really might of helped you about the pumps as well big time
Super cool! Converting gravitational potential energy to kinetic energy, then back to gravitational potential energy!
Huh this is the water analog of a DC/DC boost converter!
It is amazing how similar this is! You let some water/electrons flow, suddenly try to stop the flow which causes a pressure/voltage spike because it doesn't want to stop, use some valve/diode to capture that spike and an air bubble/capacitor to smooth it out at a higher level.
These do work and are great for pumping water from a stream or river as they loose about 95% of the water out of the pump. That is before the head becomes an issue. However you still need to drain the waste water and the pump needs to be at least a meter below the surface. Basically almost a syphonable layout height.
Been using this style in NZ for 50+ years. (known as a Williamson ram pump)
There is a version that you can use waste water to move clean water.
This is an excellent presentation. Brief, informative,
very well explained.Congradulations
Ram pump without air chamber .... unique design!
Hi, in fact there is an air chamber; the big yellow hose contains a bubble of air and acts as the air chamber. But you're right it looks different than most other designs
@@WOT_utwente seems way more compact than other designs for a ram pump. Love it!
From an energy standpoint, it seems logical that you can only get at most Δx/Δn of the water up to an elevation, where Δx is the difference in height from the top of the water tank to the pump and Δn is the height above the pump that the water is pumped to.
Once you've brought the water up to a certain height, you can use that to pump less water up to a higher height. Example you can use a simple pump so once the water is 20 feet high, you can use that to operate a pump to raise half the water up to maybe 30 feet high. You end up with less water at the higher height, but you're getting free energy anyway, so it doesn't matter.
@@karljay7473 You don't get free energy from it, since all the energy the rising water gets is transfered from the other water that fell down to the water that's lifted.
@@HenrikMyrhaug How much do you pay for the energy that lifts the water? You pay nothing for it, therefore it's free. You can pump 100 gallons 20 feet for free, then you use that 100 gallons to move 50 gallons to a higher level, maybe 40 feet... You start the process wanting X gallons to be 100 feet, so you move 5X gallons 20 feet, 4X gallons 40 feet, 3X gallons 60 feet, etc... It doesn't cost you any money to move X gallons 100 feet as no electric pumps are being used. Free, in this case, means that you are using nature, just as it doesn't cost you money for water to flow down a hill.
@@karljay7473 Sorry, I thought you meant "free energy" as in generating more energy than the ammount that already exists and is put into the system, which is impossible.
You'll definitely get to pump water almost as high as you want without putting more energy into the system than what already exists.
@@HenrikMyrhaug No problem, even the "free" isn't 100% free because you have to build or buy the pump, but once you buy it, it's free to operate. We could have a lot more of these setup in dams all over and generate even more energy.
For anyone wondering, the system is using the momentum of the flow to store elastic potential energy in the pipe system, at peak elastic potential, the stored energy is released into the high pressure element and used to move the fluid fractionally within the high pressure system, once the energy is used, the cycle repeats, flow increases, stop engages, energy builds up, is released into high pressure and repeat.
So, water hammer, basically, right?
@@edew9180yes
Right, so basically the potential energy of a large amount of water is used to pump a small amount of it further up than it came down.
Another name for this is a Ram Pump. set up is a little different but identical in function.. your switch valve is much nicer and adjustable though... enjoy..
breuram is a TYPE of ram pump.
Sounds like a ram pump but it looks different
The same principle. Create high pressure with fast moving water, then block the easy pathway to push small amount of water higher. Kind of like different versions of a Stirling engine.
Yeah just much quieter
@@Tasmantor Sound is generated when the valve is shut. This one does it more gently, but also doesn't create high pressure.
Very fancy cutaway graphic. Wasn’t expecting that at all. I’m sure it took a while to render but was well worth it.
Awesome it uses the water hammer to move water!
Yes
This is some really useful and interesting application of water pressure! Going down the RUclips rabbit hole at nearly 3 AM yields its benefits. 10/10
really cool, actually works as a really good physical analogy of the function of a step-up converter
OOOOOHHH, I get it now. It's magic. Some kind of dark ancient magic.
no, it's science some kind of dark ancient science.
Wow that cross-section overlay was really well done. Very educational!
And of course, a Dutch is explaining this 😌
prob have too much water on their hands))
Excellent presentation with 3D modelling, description, explanation and instructions. Thank goodness there are still people who don’t bait us with thumbnails containing yellow arrows, people with their mouths wide open and and infantile script. If I could like and subscribe twice I would.
I smile every time you say Breurram.
Now say squirrel.
squirrel
@@WOT_utwente lol. Danke.
So if you do that to a hydrodam ... Unlimited free electricity?!
What do you think hydropower dams are used for?
Smooth transition to the 3D section view. You may also explain that it works using water hammering, do you need a strong inflexible pipe for the intake (in the how it works presentation).
Excellent video and cutaway animation.
I'm not sure how useful this is, your still need power to fill the water tank
I guess you could fill a water tower from a river
The water tank in the system is pointless, he could have as well made it directly from the river which would add the kinetic energy!
Can this be used to elevate water?
Yes.
Can the elevated water go back to the source?
Yes.
Can we attach a generator on the falling end of the water return?
Yes.
Can we generate free electrical power?
*fbi knocks*
You can with a washing machine
You need water motion to use a ram pump, if so might as well use the original motion, say of the river, and save on the kinetic loss of adding a pump and piping to the system.
Nice job 👍
At 3:46 you are applying your thread tape the hard way, hold the tape roll on your right index finger with the middle running on the outside, now roll off the backside of the tape onto the fitting. This allows simple smooth control of tension and length simultaneously
Wow this is cool. Since you already have the setup perhaps it would be even cooler if you can figure out the pump curves? Im sure between the always open and always closed, there will be a certain range where the spring tension will work Would be interesting to see how each settings affect both the max height and the flow rate
The Dutch sure do know their water
Connect the "lost water to the infeed side of your source, a second tank set beside and connected by simple check valve to hold the main tank pressure, and when enough water is "taken out/infeed" the valve opens and a portion of the lost water is recovered. Can even use a second Breurram to feed it from the catch to the prime tank, you will always lose some but the more you recover the less you have to take from the source.
this is critical and ignorantly left out of the video. If everyone wasted this much water from the rivers we would be in trouble.
@@SnowflakeHaze What if it just flows back into the river
@@sharkheadism If it gets back to the river that's great but this one had no return system to my knowledge it would just add to local ground water and evaporate.
Information that may be useful in case of apocalypse or isekai.
Now to incorporate a hydro generator... and add more pumps to fill the tower faster.. If you seal off the tower then vacuum suction could siphon the water without even needing the pump..
I’d like to see what you’re referring to, got a link?
Because it is an "open system", air would still enter in the water and prevent the vacuum.
Once the water is pumped up to a higher elevation, if the water comes back down it will create a vacuum, and thus draw more water up the the top of the water tower that was created. The tank, would have to be almost completely, full before the water is released down a return pipe. If the water coming down is fast enough, it can turn a turbine and that could turn a generator and thus create electricity.
If this all works, then I could see the electric company using water towers to create hydro electricity, because they have the budget to build things like this at a very large scale. It would be like having another Niagra falls as your water source, except they would be using water towers to do the same thing on a smaller scale. But, if have rivers and lakes near by, it would be a way so build one and have nearly an endless supply of water to do this from.
In order to use a water tower to make water pressure it must be open at the top.
And it Is impossible to move liquid water more than 34 feet in the air on vacuum alone.
Could you use this device to pump water up high, then use the falling force from gravity to power a waterwheel or generator in a place where it's not feasible?
If the intention is to build this by a river then my idea is impractical, but just a thought.
Yes, but in the majority of circumstances I'd suggest just putting a waterwheel in the river to power a generator. The most realistic scenario for this is when you need more power than a river can generate for a short period of time. So you fill a water tower and empty it very quickly to power a turbine when you require it.
"WOT, Wot, wot!" Said the Covanent elite.
Nice boost regulator.
I don't know what shelf these parts came from but I've never seen a foot valve that looked anything like that.
Its basically a ram pump. The use of the tensioner for the main check valve is a brilliant upgrade however. Far more control than a traditional ram pump. If not used for potable drinking purposes many people add an air damper on the pressure hose side right after the check valve in the form of a PVC/Steel tube. Your use of the pressure delivery hose to perform this function is not only resource saving but also resourceful! Great idea!
I feel like I should know the answer already, but should the output not be buffered if to be used for drinking water?
You can make your own pressure tank on the outgoing side of the pump with a large tube
@@isaackarjala7916high pressure is the only thing keeping piped water clean, low pressure standing water is how you get sick
- Is it better than ram pump ?? It seems so... please comment on this....
This is neat but it doesn't beat the Bunyip Pump. Instead of fast moving water, it can use slow moving or standing water and can pump much higher than a Breurram or a ram pump.
I've searched around for actual users and their reviews for Bunyip pump. Its been over 2 years, that this pump was put to production.
Where are they?
@@alext8610 they are in NewZealand making videos for their homestead channels
@@SheriffofRUclips they don’t show any water outlet videos. Or quote flow rate. I wonder how much$$$$
The cutaway was so awesome. I'll never forget this mechanism now. Beautiful editing work. The build quality of the entire line up the tower and your explanations are perfect!
recommended strikes again. good vid though very informative.
Ooo 3d view even. Very proud of you people putting effort into videos
You could use this to fill up a reservoir used to drive a hydroelectric pump. It would be very slow but it would work.
actual infinite electricity glitch?!?
would it be accurate to say that this takes advantage of the water hammer effect?
Cool. That's the hydrolic version of a DC boost converter. Only instead of bleeding off excess water to create higher pressure, it bleeds off excess current to create higher voltage.
I'd think your dc boost converter would be an electronic version of the ram pump, not the other way around, lol. The basic principal has been used to pump water for a VERY long time, while your boost converter is a "johnny come lately", lol. There's a good reason the British called vacuum tubes "valves"
Oh my god that pump animation is fucking MINT. Wow that’s great
If I understand the principles behind this pump correctly, it's basically like a lever, but for lifting a liquid rather than a solid mass.
It utilises gravitational potential energy and some basic principles of hydrodynamics (pressure vs. flow) to obtain a mechanical advantage that allows the water to be lifted to an impressive height.
Very cool, thanks for sharing this!
It might be easier to explain using water hammer. When the flow is suddenly cut off the moving water “hammers” the other valve open, lifting the water.
I could see this being a good way to have free water if you had a clean spring and a make shift water tower to create pressure and this pump to slowly fill a 1000 gallon barrel as the pressure/ storage tank.
Back in the forties I knew a man who had one of these - quite large and made of cast iron. In those days they used to call it a 'pulsometer'. He lived by a snall hill which had a spring near the top. He used the machine to pump water up to the tank on the roof and the excess water flowed back into the stream. You could hear it clacking a long way off. For a boy of eight it was quite facinating.
Water Hammer exploited to act as a free pump! Nice!!
You're translating gravitational potential energy from a lot of water flowing down a slope into a little bit of water going straight up. Genius.
So if I understand this correctly, this is a way to get "water knock" to do useful work?
Correct
Just make a water ram, no mechanical parts to fail
At the sound of this water splashing, I have to pee
It reminds of a boost converter in electronics. Instead of using an inductor as a store of energy, you use the inertia or the water along the inlet pipe.
This is a hydraulic ram pump...correct?
I would love to see the math behind all this even if it make sense how it works
You stole this design from the Pyramids!
There is something similar in pneumatics, you can boost the incoming air pressure by a multiple of 1.5 (or more or less depending on how the booster was designed/how much waste pressure is vented). Worked great getting 100-110psi shop air to about 150 for the machines that needed it. Your volume of air that can be supplied suffers a lot due to the waste air being vented, but without using more compressors the boosters work fine depending on the application
It makes sense that this would be a Dutch invention
This is how the Giza pyramid (blueprint) used to pump water away from the dammed up areas that the Pharaoh's ancestors fled from.
Osiris is a water-being (a verison of poseidon) Enki is a water-being, and AztaAtlTlan where the Aztecs claim heritage means "land of water birds".
Giza is just the most advanced copy of whatever pump technology coastline people could come up with before all the old coasts inevitably got flooded.
There was NO "high technology", - just manipulation of occillations and the knowledge of advantageous erosion that followed, - allowing egyptians to take advantage of possibly a couple thousand years of dam/pumping knowledge from wherever migrants came from.
The kings/queens chamber "roof" could be where the original builders let the overflow of the Nile flow into an aqueduct system above ground in order to water their crops, while using the pressurized end of the loop to aid with the cutting of sandstone.
Holland is a flat country, it would makes sense out of a mountain region, or from somebody with practical intelligence.
@@fredriks5090 LOL The pyramids have no such structure, they are tombs!!! Put more tobacco on that weed!
It's always good to find out about such excellent things existing. Engineers are truly the magicians of our world.
You could pump water in steps of 4-6m and go any height
NOPE- the energy is supplied by the running river... the design calls for a DOWNHILL topo whereby you establish a min 3 foot HEAD then the pump & that pump is LIMITED in the elevation that it can achieve... it is a very slow process but it will eventually fill your elevated tank... generally this has practical use for off grid cabins/cottages where the tank is used to provide running water to the commode/sinks & showers from a running river where all you need is 10-12' of height as a delivery system to the cottage/cabin/whatever... this is a great set up to take with you in components if you travel long distances roughing it... wherever the topo is favorable you set up camp- get yourself showers & running water... move water from the river to your camp- hands free... so you need to look at everything OUTSIDE this video's description of the pump... there are complete plans available in the LINK placed by this creator in his description- all these commenters could have their questions answered if they just followed the LINK & read that document
I know this one as a "Ram pump", we use them a lot here in Brazil!
@Lorenzo Maria Martini Bomba carneiro. Creo que sea muy parecido el nombre en español
Oh that water can be Harvested I’m sure. Be it over a pond or a tank or even back to the source.
"Greetings" to your physics teacher.
Back to the source would mean that you need to expend more energy. Like, an electric pump. Water that flows out on the ground lost its potential energy to pump the bit that goes up in the tower.
Had never heard of this pump before and must admit I came here thinking it was going to be another perpetual motion machine proposed on youtube but instead I found a very cool new pump design I had never heard of, thanks!
Once upon a time,, my source of water where I lived was brought up from a creek via one of the old balloon style cast iron ram pumps, to a tank at the house. It was brilliant.
So basically a battery charged by nature
*when american make electricity communist:*
As many wrote in their comments, water hammer is the force driving the pump. (Change your manual.) Water is incompressible in the actual range of pressure so when the flow stops abruptly the momentum is converted to pressure increase. Water hammer was the noise in the plumbing with copper or steel pipes if you shut a faucet suddenly. Although sometimes a standpipe with air not water would dampen the effect.
Awesome piece of information, I especially appreciate you showing how the pump works and how to build it. New sub fosho
I find the slotted cap on top of the waste valve of this pump very aesthetically pleasing
this is a genius design. It takes such a simple mechanism that makes good use of it. Fantastic.
it's good video 👍👍👍, I will adopt this "Hidram pump". it is very simple and easy, thank you. From Indonesia I am support this channel.
Cool design but its just a ram pump. Just call it a redesign or something instead calling "Breurram" i coudnt even find where that name is from in your own documentary
Hi, we don't claim to have created a complete new concept. The description states: 'The breuram is a type of hydraulic ram pump or water ram made almost completely from off-the-shelf components'
@@WOT_utwente Is Breur the surname of the designer/inventor? It's also mine :-)
@@argot2809 Yes it is!
Surely the lost water could be recuperated and reused somehow to make this setup even more efficient.
I don't know anything about engineering or plumbing, but maybe that lost water can even be reinjected into the pipe using some sort of mechanical 3-way priority valve that prioritizes flow from one input and leaves it to the other input to satisfy the remaining flow capacity of the output pipe?
But I dunno, maybe this is more complicated than I make it out to be.